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Soul-staring eyes edition

Shadowverse is a free-to-play class-based CCG.

Official Website:
https://shadowverse.com/

New expansion "Tempest of the Gods":
https://shadowverse.com/cardpack/tempestofthegods/

Current revealed cards:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jfOwl01oC0Xw7Jowun6LBK_01qzmpauM6yN7VhYlefc/edit#gid=384699390

All-in-one Steam undub and uncensor:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/016ysnkhenaxkud/sv+uncensor+1.4.61.zip

All-in-one Android undub and uncensor:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/g3wprejd9foygnr/v1461+Folders+a+and+v.zip

Useful Links: http://pastebin.com/SZNKYEMi

Clashed: >>170845085
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Clarisse leader for Rune when?
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xth for SNEKS META
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Threadly reminder that the devs couldn't give a single shit about take-two
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>I will now show you my final move.
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first for serapent memes
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>>170866498
Clarisse rune legendary fucking when?
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Maidy cat when?
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Reminder that CForest will be tier 1.
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Will blood ever surpass dragon in memes?
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What's the story behind this card art?
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>>170866628
reminder that cforest is just a really really slow otk roach
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>>170866526
Wrong cardgame
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>>170866628
Reminder that I've played CForest since DE I am not a FotM shitter
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>>170866628
>only board clear is shittier than fucking cyclone
yeah no
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>>170866625

Cygames has already said they don't want to add the most sexualized cards because they "make people uncomfortable".

So add Maidy Cat to the list of cards that will NEVER be in the game just like Pic related.
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>>170866382
they surely luv owls, don't they
impartial strix, owl guardian and this

owlcraft when

>>170864427
tfw this emblem never
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So are you going to run this instead of Satan?

>can still draw your own deck
>can have this and satan if you want double the draw from apo deck
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>>170866861
There is no escape from this hell, is there? Prudes, prudes everywhere.
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>>170866729
never, he's too far behind in the race
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Is the game broken at this time or something two people dc'd on me in a row at the beginning
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>>170866801
>needing board clear with 2 mana 6/6 and 1 mana 2/5 taunts
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>>170866861
yet look at most rune/haven/blood cards

specially blood,those got the most sexualized cards
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>>170866861
>being uncomfortable with sexuality
When will the age of nu-males die?
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>>170866924
why would i run this over seraph
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Guys, guys. I just realized that Owlcat is the new cute neutral two drop.
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>>170866924
This won't replace Satan as long as Odin exists. They made this card knowing that Odin counters it.
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>>170866183

Thane honestly doesn't scare me. It's not like Shadow didn't completely fuck people already if they can survive to Turn 8.

THIS card, however, scares the shit out of me.
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>>170866612
Holy shit
Is this frog going to make ambush memes real?
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>>170866801
>Control needs board clear
????
Cyclone Blade is fucking garbage and CSword does very well. Also, it's not worse than WotF, unless you play on A rank where people don't kill your board like retards. You don't know what you are talking about.
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http://www.strawpoll.me/12501645
http://www.strawpoll.me/12501637
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>>170866861
>Pic related
That's just a covered up Succubus/Lilith which are both in the game.

Why are horny straight guys so whiny.
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So I just noticed that Owl Cat's clash means you cannot trade Fairies or Goblins into it. It will need a 2/x to trade into it and it will also hose some early wards like snake priestess and spartoi soldier.

inb4 May
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I can't tell if I like the weeb art or the meme art better in this game.
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>>170867038
>2 drop 2/2 kill a creature is fine because NECROMANCY
Yeah it's bizarre
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>>170866924
>turn 8 grail
>turn 9 aegis
>turn 10 bahamut
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>>170867041
Not against any deck with a board clear
>Put on much less pressure by playing 3pp 1/2s
>Die to Themis/Breath/WotF
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>>170867041
>Ambush frog with Rogues Creed
>I AM GROWING STRONGER
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>play dire bond on curve
>Rowen uses execution on that turn
Why is this aloud!
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This + 3x Lurching corpse 3x Khawy. Every turn destroy 1 follower that starts to heal past turn 7.
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>>170866938
>>170866995

It makes me sad man.

Some of my favorite RoB cards are extremely sexual.
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>>170866995
if anything it's nu-males who enjoy playing a blatant fapbait

real men and women play either something cute but not sexualized or something manly
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>>170867026
So it's Odin bait for Seraph decks?
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>>170867041
It's going to make it more fun, but will still be bad.
If you somehow manage to get him buffed by Rogue's Creed and it doesn't get blown up by Themis or similar then it's rather scary.
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>>170867167
I think that frog will be good against aggro, especially if they can' ward up
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>>170867159
>Playing Bahamut
>Actually doing things
Turn 8 Grail, 9 Seraph, 10 Aegis is the thinking man's play. Doing things is for plebeians, just pass your turn bro.
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>>170867038

You are telling me you are completely find to ignore that death's breath board on turn 6? I play Eacthtar. Enjoy 12 damage to the face.

Leaving Thane unanswered? Please take 14 damage (And 2 more from a rogue zombie trade)

Leaving second Thane (With Wight King) unanswered? That's 20 damage OTK.
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>>170867210
I see more and more people running Execution recently.
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>>170867038
>>170867150
You need shadows for so much shit now, that's not scary.
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>>170866756
Roach is dead. CForest can play Control tools and other high cost Foresr cards. They are not the same deck at all.
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What do all of these cards with silly effects matter if they're not going to stop sword from ramming Albert into your face every match?
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>>170867150

>2 mana destroys evolved Albert without even using an EVO point

B-b-but I need my shadows for Death's Breath
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>>170867262
>Being scared of naked bodies
>Real men and women
Yeah, right.
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>>170866752
>actual owl wants to fuck owlcat
>owlcat wants none of that shit
>owl cats becomes one with the universe as his sworn nemesis appears before him, activating his predator senses
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>>170867262
>Being this desperate to virtue signal
The SJW movement is spear headed by nu male foot soldiers. Nu males are the biggest opponents of anything sexual that might offend m'lady.
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>Importantly, the “clash” effect – which occurs whenever this follower attacks another follower or is attacked by a follower – triggers before any followers take damage, so if your opponent has a 1/3 on the board, you can destroy it using Owlcat without taking damage.

yurius was too op

also bye bye spider imp, spartoi soldier and the likes
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>>170867038
It's not really that scary. It has a pretty big restriction and it costs 4 shadows.
It's definitely a good card but it's also pretty easy to play around. The only real big target I can see is that shithead Albert, and he deserves to get fucked
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>>170867376
>roach is dead
good meme
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>>170866861
Where did they said that? We are still getting very suggestive cards. The card you are posting would be fine. But this other one >>170866625 would be most likely edited like Giant Slayer and Harnenessed Flame/Glass.
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>>170867239
I want to fuck whatever that is.
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>>170867456

>this will be the last thing Yurius sees

Man, can't wait for ToG.
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>>170867230
people are sleeping on the fact that necronomicon pulls ONLY shadowcraft followers
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>>170867326

Don't get me wrong, Thane is a good card and will see play, but I don't see him shifting the shadow paradigm. He's just a nice followup to play if your Morde gets banished.

Whereas Soulsquasher is insane enough to literally create new archetypes.
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>>170867376
>Roach is dead
There's still a pretty successful OTK roach list.
And also, just because that deck isn't S tier anymore doesn't mean every single forest deck ever won't be running 3x roach. Roach will never die as long as it remains untouched. Hilariously, we finally got a hard counter to Roach and it was a Forest card
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>>170866752
Disregard bitches, get dinner.
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>>170867419
>having a bad taste

>>170867451
what does it even mean
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>>170867262
>nu-males enjoy fapbait
Now what gave you that idea?
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>>170867451
>Keep virtue signaling about how virile and not a numale you are
>Turn around and accuse others of virtue signaling when they call you out
Shut the fuck up /pol/ you pack of hypocrites, haven't you ruined enough boards?
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>bloodfags already despairing this much
>won't even give the new cards a chance
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>>170867490
>any time the an enemy shadow player has 4 shadows, they could instantly destroy any evolved creature you have for 2
That's impossible to play around. Forte, Genesis Dragon, anything you evolve to do face damage or re-establish control will get fucked. The only way to "play around" that is just to never use evolve points if they have 4 shadows (i.e, ever).
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>>170867641
>Hilariously, we finally got a hard counter to Roach and it was a Forest card
We already had Robin Hood :^)
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>Vial every other card that isnt blood or neutral

that way i always have spare vials for any bloodcraftdeck i want to make
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>>170867627

You are still ignoring the fact that Shadow can start capping you for 12+ damage on turn 7. This is not something to joke about with.
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>>170866625
T H I C C C C C C C
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>>170867549
>Where did they said that?

Well they didn't explicitly state that but it was clear from the poll they did that they're afraid to add extremely lewd cards because they don't want to alienate prudes.

Sadistic Night is sexy as hell but nowhere near as lewd as something like pic related.
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>2 dire bonds and a blood pact in the deck
>draw none
>burn hand by t7
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>>170866625
Looks like shit
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>>170866752
it looks shopped
i can tell it by some pixels and having seen quite a few shops in my time
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>>170867724

>use evolve to establish control
>get punished for doing so

Hmm, I wonder who's behind this post.
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>Oh boy, a new Dragon legendary ca-
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>>170867920
Thank god Dragon is shit so I don't have to see this fucker ever. This card is Khawy levels of cancer.
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>>170867849
I'm not even an assman but Dear Lord.
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>>170867849
MUH
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>>170867549
this card is a proper way to draw something sexy, meantime dragonewt charlotte or this >>170866625 is a shit for virgin masturbators with a bad taste
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>>170867456
>yurius was too op
>also bye bye spider imp,

>Cygames finally gives blood some decent early game tools for the aggro mirror
>Immediately introduces a neutral card to cuck them

Ok. I give up.

Cygames is determined that blood will always be shit.
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>>170867239
It sucks that there are so many waifu-tier cards and we keep getting monsters and homos instead
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>>170868046

>turn 6 2 5/5s is now bad

Going to wait for many to be REEEing about it in next meta
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>>170867724
>That's impossible to play around
First off, most of the things you evolve for board control will be weakened already. As in, they were probably gonna die already
Second, blowing up huge storm minions is nice but they already hit you in the face. Their job is done.
She seems best against decks that evolve their minions for damage, not board control, as those minions are generally healthy and can be a pain to remove due to the inflated stats. I suppose you could also put her in aggro to blow up a big evolved ward too, but then you're spending a lot of phantom howl burst.
Once again, a good card for sure, but I wouldn't call her scary.
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>>170868112
desu it would be better if her chest was a bit more covered
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>>170866752

Well he's going to be 2 great reaction images I can use.

Easily the best card this expac has to offer because of that.
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>>170868181
Those 5/5s are just making up for your shitty turn 5 tempo play.
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>>170868072

I am so jealous of the towel that wipes that ass dry.
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>>170868046
I got excited until I read vengenace too. Fuck.
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>>170868285

Right, you still have 1PP left for Diabolic Drain after playing Serpent.
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>>170868181
>Omits the turn 5 2/1 needed to make the play possible
>Meanwhile Sword can Gawain into Otohime into Sage AND DO DAMAGE with his big board on turn 6, instead of turn 6 do nothing
>All of the followers needed for this are on or above curve stats
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>>170868046
Dragon is going to get discard meme legendaries isn't it?
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>>170868256
Fuck of Al-mussad
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Is it safe to say that we will have a control meta next month?
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>>170868330
it still drops a second even without vengeance
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>>170868147

What is the name of this semen demon?
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>>170867849
They did the poll to gain information about it. What matters is what people said in the poll. If no one said they hate sexy cards, then they're going to go ahead and add them. Or at the very least, they could print the cards with alternate art in English clients.
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>>170868375
Only if in vengeance, and, in that case, it's 5 5/5s
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Tfw you draft a constructed deck in take two or atleast it feels like i did
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>>170868416

You're right. I completely forgot that Sword has efficient board clears like Revelations.
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>>170868046
dragon cucks BTFO
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>>170868449
I mean I thought it was the dragon lego until I read vengeance.
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>Still no Mars reveal
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>>170868443
Yes, CForest is tier 1 already
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>>170868443
Yea, everyone should definitely play their overpowered new control decks on ladder first day of the expansion :^)
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>>170868443
There is no control meta, there is only DShift meta
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>>170868443
Doesn't that mean D-shift will get even more popular? Kill me.
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>>170868640
MARS IS NOT FOR SEXUAL
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>>170866861
Why would they cater to prudish Americans when their biggest audience is Japan?
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>>170868487
http://seesaawiki.jp/mnga_bahamut/d/%8E%D8%8E%BB%8E%DE%8E%DA%8E%B8%8E%BC%8E%AE%8E%DD%8E%A5%8E%B3%8E%DE%8E%A8%8E%BD%8E%DE%8E%D4%20(%8E%DA%8E%BC%8E%DE%8E%AA%8E%DD%8E%C4%8E%DE)
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>>170867613
Holy shit. I missed that the first time I read the effect.
This makes this card 10x better than I initially thought.
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so, if you use enhanced baphomet to pull that card you at worst can get 2 5/5 and at best 5 5/5 at turn 6

also if i understand that owlcat card propely it cannot be killed by any 1/x follower because clash will kill the attacker before the damage is done, am i right?
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>>170868797
>>170868790

>DShift

They better has turn 7 timestop every time, or it's going to be very painful for them.
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>>170868827
>implying you don't want to dock into her from behind and lock hug yourself to her for eternity
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>>170868575
Yes, efficient board clear. That's why CBlood is such a high tier deck, and Sword is in the dumpster, right? Jesus fuck you faggots are impossible.
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>>170868858
Why would they release a poll in English and then ignore the results?
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>>170868946
Turn 7-8 they kill you, anon.
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>>170868640
>yfw Mars ends up as the legendary of jobbercraft.
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>>170868994

>blood now has potential 2 5/5 or a 5/5 that drains for 5 on turn 6
>i-it's still going to be shit!

You are the same like those elana fags who think Pact of the Netherworld won't be helpful against fat buffed followers, right? Thanks to that card, I killed a lot of soccermoms more than DE era.
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>>170868640
>Title the expansion Tempest of The Gods
>Throw in Zeus and call it a day with the God theme
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>>170867613
>Dragon is actually neutralcraft top heavy
>Shadow is actually neutralcraft bottom heavy

Muh dick
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>>170869160
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When will Helvera get a real Shadow Leggo?

Daria finally got one after being stuck as spell card art for the first expac, when will Helvera get off of the Phantom Howl art and onto a real card?

Just more proof that Cygames hates shadow.
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>>170868890
That seems to be the case with clash iirc thief draws a card even if you hit it with a larger follower
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>>170869049

It's a draw pilgrim when Eachtar is involved since it's easy 12 damage with any substantial board.
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>>170866924

Cool card but pretty fucking useless compared to Seraph or Aegis or even Satan himself.
I could see it being used in Eidolon-Grail as win con instead of PtP but the deck is already pretty terrible.
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>>170868871

I tried to cross-reference this with the English wiki but I get no results when I plug her name into google.

Weird.
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>>170869232

We have been there, idiot. Many dissed on Shadow Reaper pre-release and look what happened. Don't count your frogs before they hatch, dumbass.
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A lot of stronger amulets this set. Think people will start teching in things like Goetia mage and the other crafts amulet removals?
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>tfw the only deck i have fun with in this shitty game is d shift but you either autolose against aggro or face control decks and dont pull your d shift and flame destroyers
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>Next up, Vagabond Frog, a bronze Swordcraft officer that costs three play points for a 1/2 body and has the text “At the end of your turn, gain Ambush.”

ughm

what

so i can evolve it, buff it, hit face with it and it will get ambush again at the end of my turn so i can proceed to do it again unless they have themis or wotf something?

sword will hit the new peak of cancer the next turn

fuck why didn't they give this frog to blood instead of that useless frogbat crap
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>>170869398
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>>170869239

Forgot to post the card art.
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>>170869464
Why tech stuff when you can be the guy who shits out broken stuff?
Let them answer your shit lmao
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>>170869518

Have another (you), pretender of retard.
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>>170869398
Don't reply to screenshot retards.
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>>170869498
>giving blood non-shitty cards
Hahahhahahah
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>>170869498
>fuck why didn't they give this frog to blood
Because it's a good card. Stop asking the obvious, Blood is a dump ground for shit cards, get used to it.
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NECRONOMICON MEANS 3 GOLD PER CRAFT

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>>170869464
Goetia is shit since she uses shadows. Other cards are bad too since they're cost heavy and none of the amulets even seem that game changing.
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>>170869351
The Eng RoB server died prematurely so this card along with a shit ton of others only exists in the ongoing JP server
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>>170869654
>>170869680

Literally they gave blood Razory Claw and decided the class didnt need any other good cards.

Fuck the devs.
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So why is Homecoming 7pp but Themis is 6pp?
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>Albertcraft is batggro but it doesn't kill you, has reliable wards, and has tutors that fetch your 1-turn early imp lancer
It's not fair bros...
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>>170869808
Just Belphagor bro, half your life for a Blood Pact, what a deal :)
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Any of the starter decks worth the price?
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>>170869798

That makes a lot of sense anon, thanks for explaining.

Makes me sad that so many of these great girls are languishing in obscurity but at least we're getting Minthe.
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>>170869808
A-at least blood got the best waifus
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>>170867230

>randomly kills something or summon a 4/4 lich
>for 4PP

Sounds good enough, except for the turn 4 do nothing.
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>>170869752
>>170869752
>>170869949
But you get a amazing body with this blood
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>>170869939
has much less burn
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>>170869681
>mfw third forest gold and the 2 legos will make control t1
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>>170869993

Nah, Shadow literally gets Sylvie.

Still no cute spookies, though
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>Blood's only competitive deck is aggro
>It's outclassed in every way imaginable by Sword
>They print a hard counter for it anyway and give Sword more storms, mana cheat, free evolves, and infinite ambush
AHAHAHAHA
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Please help
I think left is the correct option, but I'm not sure
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>>170870170
>It's outclassed in every way imaginable by Sword

typical shit /svg/ says
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>>170869993
>A-at least blood got the best waifus

Good thing all those great blood waifus are at least playable...
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>Tfw when the roach didn't know what hit him https://my.mixtape.moe/fhqgrr.mp4
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>4/0 in T2
>Raid boss sword as final opponent
Welp, 4-1 isn't so bad is it?
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>>170870102
Nobody runs wards these days. I'd much rather have storm followers than 4pp burn cards.
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>all shadow legos and golds have been revealed
Luna no make dayo.
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>>170869928
Themis doesn't let its player reuse its powerful combo cards and possibly mill the opponent as well.
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>>170869928
Because in ye old times before DE, Homecoming cost less, and had to be nerfed because it was both a way to remove all enemy wards and to get back your roaches 'n shit.
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Book of Nep seems pretty good. Can pull liches and corpses right away, and you can avoid bad pulls since it only targets shadowcraft cards.
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>>170870268
Boy I sure am glad I have all these waifus I get to look at while browsing my collection.
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>>170870302

>not happy with 3 legendaries

Sure, one is a desert rider, but don't be stupid, fellow shadow anon.
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>>170870236
Right you genuine dicksucker
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>>170870265

I haven't seen a single Blood Aggro on the master ladder in days.

I love the class but they have utterly cucked it into oblivion.
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>>170870268
Medusa's ability is a really cool concept too
If she was just powercreeped she could be insane
Imagine if she had fangblader's effect
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>>170867230
>mfw this card means we're probably getting more nep support after all
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>>170870407
>Desert Rider
It's a Mirage Defender, get your memes right shitposting Shadowjews. Look at fucking Blood's cards if you think yours are even remotely bad.
A FUCKING FROG, and Vlad the implier
>implying he's playable in any mode
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>>170870461

I tried so hard to make Medusa work but she just sucks. Not even Execution Axe can save her.

She needs an enhance spell card that summons her onto the board.
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>>170870461
They should print a card that summon her and give her a rush or something.
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>>170870268
>medusa is shit
>breast dominator is shit
>furyae is shit

A-at least we got bloody mary,dire bond and temptress!
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>>170868528
my only 5 wins take 2 had 2 alberts and a fangblade
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>>170870370
>you can avoid bad pulls since it only targets shadowcraft cards

i.e. if you have all your low pp followers (except maybe rabbit necro) neutral it will always summon you liches, clear the board and stuff...
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>>170870302
What's the problem, Shadow got some decent cards to work with and there might be some interesting silvers and bronzes still.
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>>170870293
If anyone was wondering it went exactly the way your would think.

Sword getting nerfed in T2 (or anywhere) when?
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>>170870629
Temptress is gone unless you want to fetch her with bephomet
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>>170870378

At least there are some nice lewd two drops that will never fit in a decent deck.
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Will Sword ever get a bad legendary?
>>170870692
Never
Erika has agreed to be the dev's sextoy to ensure she's tier 1 or better in every format
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>>170867230

So I just noticed

>death's ledger gives you a total of 3 shadow at turn 6 if played on curve

Get to deckbuilding, fellow shadow players.
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>>170870236
>>170870453
If your deck is aggressive enough, left can help you close out games fast. Right is generally better, though.
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>>170870001
No. You dont need the shitty lich cards. All you need are the last words kill something and Mordecai. Fill in with staple neutrals + uriels. There. An even better nephthys deck.
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>>170870629

>Rain Devil is shit
>Mormo is shit
>Lilith and Succubus are both mediocre at best
>Squall Lancer is usually just a worse Panty Raider.
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>>170870726
>At least
Don't, just don't. You know they'll fucking do something to take it away no matter how shit it is.
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>>170870629
>He doesn't use medusa to kill bahamuto.
Pleb.
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>tfw almost got memed to build control blood at the start of the expansion since it "counters Daria and Bat"
>built Nep deck instead because opened 3 Nep even though /svg/ said it shit
Always do the opposite of what /svg/ said
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>>170869992
Makes me sadder when that Sword's probably going to get another homo instead of one of the many cute sword grills
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>complain that dimension shift is too op
>complain that blood is weak when it's like 8-2 against dimension shift
huh?
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>>170870809

There is absolutely nothing wrong about RNG into a free 4/4. Still, we need to see the rest of the list to see if we are getting other new stuffs.
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>there are people excited for a t6 flood the with 5/5s if you're almost dead when a t4 5/5 flood the board with three 3/4s and a 2/2 already exists
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>>170871007
There are so many fencers we could get but they insist on release faggots with rush and storm.
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>>170871007

>Sword/Shadowverse will never get Olivia's sexier twin sister.
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>>170871068
>too op
People complain about dshit because it's boring, non-interactive bullshit that auto-wins vs slow decks. It's never had a positive overall WR, but its existence means control will never be meta.
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Wait, I misread Ledger. I thought it only works at the start of your turn. It actually means a decent turn 4 play too.
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>>170870957
>Erinyes
>Shit
???
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>blood gets a powercreep verison of dragon legendary
>it doesn't even need to evolve

Why is every craft getting dragon cards, but better verison of it?


IT'S NOT FAIR
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>>170870957

At least Erinyes is semi-playable.
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>>170870460
>I haven't seen a single Blood Aggro on the master ladder in days

you know, protagoras said that man is the measure of all things, but i doubt you are that man

to put it simply nobody cares of your personal experience

game-ai considers it a t2 deck, shadowlog lists it had 52.2% winrate overall and 51.2% winrate in masters
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Unica is still the cutest.
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>>170871421
And you know Dragon is going to get some fuckawful bullshit.
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>>170871381
If you only fit into a shit deck, you're shit by extension family. An okay, even good at best, card is still garbage if the deck is one of the worst in the game.
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Fanart of Yurius getting dogged by owl cat when
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>>170871341
>its existence means control will never be meta
dimension shift is a control deck
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>>170871447

>Blood's best deck is Tier 2
>Blood has never had a Tier 1 deck

Is this supposed to convince me that blood isn't screwed over by the Devs?
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Have you ever known this joy?
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>>170871447
What's the playrate?
Just because it has a decent winrate doesn't mean it's played a lot...
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>>170871543
I hit Masters with a deck with Erinyes though.
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>>170871558
It's a combo deck. What's control about surviving until turn 8 and then killing your opponent from 20 health
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>>170871570
>Blood has never had a Tier 1 deck
Aggro Blood was tier 1 for a good month after RoB release.
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>>170871590
what were your missions?
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>>170871526
Post that image. You know the one.
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>>170871616
>>170871381

Erinyes isn't shit but she is about as bad as a card can be that is worth playing in constructed.

Any worse and she'd be Arena tier.
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>>170871526
true
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>>170867230
ledger + 3 lurching +3 kawaii + 3 attendant and/or hell riser + 3 rabbit necro + 2 morde, the rest is neutral

>>170870491
this card can't be played in a nep deck though, ledger pulling nep means you don't get mordecai and wasted a turn, ledger pulling something like cerb or spartoi something means you wasted a turn too etc
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>>170871740
I just plain disagree dude she is an extremely strong play against follower-based decks like Daria and Mid Sword, big defense and can remove followers without spending any evo points.
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>>170871735
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>>170871720
3 wins with Sword/Forest
1 win with Sword
Win 3 matches.
Had the same deal yesterday except with Win 3 Dragon/Haven and Win 1 Haven.
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>cygames tries to put the ambush sword deck into tier 2 with the new ambush card
>it just makes aggro sword even better
>it get ambush at the END of turn instead of the start
>literally unkillable without themis

Cygames didn't think this through huh?
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>>170871570
it was considered t1 like 2 weeks ago, briefly
it was t1 for a while in january
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Where the fuck is the trailer?
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>>170871891
UNICA IS NOT FOR SEXUALIZE
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>>170871860

Obviously you only play ledger before the nep turn or after it.

>not including Balor for potential turn 7 board clear

It certainly needs more homebrewing for the most optimum build.
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>>170871947
You do realize that gaining Ambush at the start of the turn is awful and borders on not doing anything, right ?
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71965

anyone mind giving me a quick win? no concede pls
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How do we fix Haven?
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>>170871570
Control Blood was tier 1 in the beginning of Shadowverse
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>>170872046
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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>>170871740
>piercing rune is broken
>piercing rune with the same body as albert is bad
???
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>>170871924
So you played 2 forest and last game was sword to get the same countdown right?
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>>170872127
>is awful and borders on not doing anything, right ?
Oh no a Sword bronze might just be as bad as everything Blood and Dragon got, the horror.
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>>170871947
>literally unkillable without themis
>Themis is the only way to hit ambush in the entire game
>A 2PP 1/2 is going to break Aggro Sword
/svg/ in a nutshell
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you know what will be the worst cancer again?

ba dum tss!

otk roach

because of this card, otk roach is currently weak to aggro because you sacrifice most of your 1pp followers to make gobu a bit more consistent, with this card you can laugh at aggro while preparing your one turn kill combo
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>>170872203
>implying launch day decks mean jack shit
Disappeared over night the moment decks were refined. At the end of standard, Blood had 5% plate rate and sub 45% overall winrate.
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>>170872326
Ikr, aggro sword is already broken, it doesn't need any help.
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>>170872127
Yeah i know. But sword is fucking strong already. If this was in dragon or blood it wouldn't be that bad.

This card will keep hitting you in the face for 3 or more when evolved + boosted with spells every turn from 4 onwards.
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>>170872223
Yes.
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>>170871679
>What's control about surviving until turn 8
are you retarded?
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>>170872364
No, it disappeared once PtP showed up, not on launch day. It was tier 1 for a good bit
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>>170872335
>Roach is good
In other news water is wet. Roach will always be good, stop stating the obvious.
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>>170872335
>Turn 3 do nothing and reduce board space
>Turn 4 do nothing and reduce board space
This is supposed to help forest how?
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>>170872165
much appreciated

that's a nice suicide deck btw
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>>170872398
>doesn't actually know what Control refers to in TCGs beyond "makes the game last long"
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>>170872398
Are you? Next are you going to tell me otk roach was a control deck as well?
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>>170872493

It kills aggro, something forest doesn't have a problem with.

>JUST
>may may
>soccermom

It's just forestfuckers not able to count.
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>>170871872

She is very strong in the right situation but she is so conditional. That is her weakness IMO.

I love the card and respect when people play her but I have never been able to win with her.

>>170872219

Piercing Rune is targeted and stays in your hand till you need it.

Erinyes is neither of those things.
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>>170872484
>Sword and Forest have been tier one forever
>People are literally bitching about whether or not blood was tier one for about a month
/svg/ in a nutshell
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>>170872326
>1/2
>implying its not a 4/5

You forgot about this card bro. With evolve its 6/7 damage EVERY turn unless you have themis or revelation.
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>>170871710
it was tier 1 for a good 2 weeks and i never bought that meme for 1 single second
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>>170872484
Read that again. Control Blood is the launch day deck, and disappeared once aggro Shadow, storm Dragon, PtP Forest, and D.Shift were being played.Also, PtP "didn't show up" the deck was discovered in closed beta, it's just that Forest cards were so broken, they didn't need to play PtP. There's a reason the vast majority of Forest cards are pure shit, roach and AE aside. Forest came out of closed beta with the most nerfs, followed closely by Haven (Devourer butchered, Skullfamily nerfed too I think).
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>>170872397
Just as planned. Nice.
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>>170871526
no she is not, she is a total trash whore
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>>170872606
Opps meant 3/4 or 5/6 with evolve*

Still strong and annoying.
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>>170872335

This card is so disgusting.

I'm surprised everyone is ignoring it but as usual most of this forum is more concerned with 7+ mana beatsticks than cards that will actually see a lot of play.
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>>170872606
>Not posting the amulet that gives +1/+1 every turn
Once the ninja fucker is down all sword needs to do is use its stupid amount of rush and storm followers to maintain board control.
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btw i also wonder if tarnished grail is better than seraph, it's much easier to activate on turn 9 and it also is a board clear itself

>Randomly put 3 of the following 4 cards into your hand: Servant of Darkness, Silent Rider, Dis's Damnation, and Astaroth's Reckoning

if it's always 3 different cards of these 4 it's a pretty good wincon

>>170872493
to make that you are not killed before you got tokens and orbs for your combo
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>>170872606
Just Tribunal and Corpse RNG bro ;))))
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>>170872551
you're describing the poster I was replying to right? control = permission + card advantage. dimension shift has the best permission game after seraph and the best card draw in the game.
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>>170872606
>implying 1/2+2/2+2/2=6/7
>playing Forge Weaponry in constructed ever
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>>170872597

And I suspect the devs have this same attitude since they continue to let Blood remain the worst craft in the game except Dragon maybe.
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>this "control elf" on game ai running satan and forest giga
this is the most trash deck i've ever played. who the fuck published this?
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I swear, we better be getting new leaders besides the Street fighter ones.
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>>170872335
why do you guys act like roach wasnt a problem before gobu
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>>170872576
>something forest doesn't have a problem with
otk has

>>170872606
keen enchantment is even cheaper
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>>170872764
>Grail
If it goes off, you don't win the game on the spot, and it's still countered by Odin. It's shit, a 1 off at most. It's definitely not main wincon of the deck material. It will act the same way Satan does outside of Sun decks, as a back up wincon you run 1 copy of.
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>>170867038
combo with the 4 drop minthe at 6 pp you get 3/4 + 2/2 on board and clear an enemy evolved follower AND enemy have to clear the minthe or free shadow death breath next turn
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>>170872731

Your followers will only take damage when you are attacking the LEADER. You can still do trading, if that's your issue with the card.
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>not playing memes
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>>170872731
I'm afraid aggro is going to die at this rate. It's just going to be mid-range, dshift, and control decks with all these new control cards and 0 support for aggro decks.
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>>170872764
>is tarnished grail better than Seraph
Absolutely fucking not. Not even close.
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>>170872850

It probably got a 70-game winstreak at C2
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>>170872713
t. Bellringer
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>>170872335
You can use mangrove tell the mirror match to fuck off while you play a superior Forest deck like Cynthia Tempo.
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>>170872948

>mid-range

If aggro must die for midrange, then I will accept the loss.
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>>170872948
>I'm afraid aggro is going to die at this rate.
Good. Ungacraft fuck off.
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>>170872764
>btw i also wonder if tarnished grail is better than seraph
post your rank
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>>170872907
otk roach is pretty ok with you removing its stuff till they get 1 roach 1 guidance and some 0-1pp followers/spells
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Post yfw frog just gets used for aggro sword instead of ambush decks like intended.
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>>170872948
Thank fucking god for that.
Aggro is a blight upon card games. If aggro really gets fucked next expansion it will be the best SV meta yet
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>>170872913
...What card is that ?
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>>170873046
You're going to be saying that when 60% of matches are control vs dshift and dshift vs dshift
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THIS RAGE EMPOWERS ME
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>>170872901

Didn't you listen to/svg/ bro?

Minthe is shit.
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>>170873074

How does that stop you from, you know, heal up and go face with x/3+ followers?
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>>170872816
>use keen enchancement and forge weaponry
Enemy has wards?
>use cyclone blade and hit face
>repeat until they are dead
They somehow remove it or not dead yet?
>turn 9 albert ;^)
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>>170872881
is for the Eidolon meme
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>>170873108
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>>170872994
cynthia is cucked by mangrove though, that deck is all about buffing fairies and mangrove will kill them on spot if they dare to hit face
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>>170873118
>D-shift
>In a midrange meta
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>>170872816
Every time i've seen aggro Sword play Forge Weaponry in constructed, they've lost.
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>>170872794
And combo = build entire deck around specific combo, stall and draw until you get it, win in one turn if you do pull it off.
Which fits D-shift and Seraph pretty well.
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>>170873150
because it's not what aggro does? aggro decks don't heal

otk roach deals with non-aggro decks pretty well already
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>>170873170
I like they gave it 3 HP so it can dodge all the relevant board clears that can come out early enough to stop it from taking half your life at least. Literally "just themis bro" the card.
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>>170873265
So apparently there are no control decks in shadowverse
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>>170872907

So all I have to do is not attack the leader until I clear this amulet?

Sounds like a great way to win games with aggro.

>>170872948

I honestly think they do just want to kill aggro.

So many people complained that the Gobu nerf would kill aggro and they did it anyways and it did kill aggro.

And now this expansion is here to mutilate aggro's corpse.

>>170873046
>>170873102

Enjoy your fucking Dshit meta, scumbags.
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>>170873230
What mid-range deck can beat dshift that's not albertcraft
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>>170872816
>>170873248

maybe because there wasn't a permanently ambushed unit before
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>>170873336
>I like how they gave it 3 HP
They didn't. It's a 1/2
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>>170873214
Liza.
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>>170872764
Looks like a decent Lion spirit evolve.

>loses to albert

Yeah, so does Seraph, Aegis and a shit ton of other turn 8 plays. But this one doesn't need an entire deck built around it to win (cough cough seraph) and actually can help control the board a bit with 2 damage to everything.

Seems like a decent control card that only needs a single Dogma instead 3 amulet pops. I only wish it did 3 damage instead since there's a lot of 3 hp followers now adays.
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WHY HAVEN'T WE GOTTEN ANY MORE NEW LEADERS
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>>170873405
>So many people complained that the Gobu nerf would kill aggro and they did it anyways and it did kill aggro.
literally what

>>170873423
midrange blood with 3 imp lancers and 2 demonic storms as its most expensive cards :^)
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>>170872551
>TCG
shadowverse isn't a TCG you fucking retard
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>>170873423
My op tier x Midrange Blood.
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>>170873265
all the combos in the game except for roach are slow so they have to play control to live long enough to go off. I don't know what you think control is but you're wrong if you think dimension shift and seraph aren't it.
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>>170873481
SF4
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>>170873481
Chill, we're getting street fagger leaders next.
Hopefully more waifus after that.
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>>170873423
New Shadow
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>>170873461
will she even work even if you are lucky to pull her at time
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>>170873481
this, im hoping they announce some shit soon, there's still time

>>170873618
>>170873631
literally no one wants this shit, real leaders when?
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>play dshift
>brick like crazy
>3 flame destroyers in bottom 4 cards
>win anyway because i'm against dragon
i've never felt more disgusted with myself after a game.
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I feel like a gambler when I mulligan all 3 cards for my opening hand.
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>>170873297
>>170873405

>implying a turn 3 soccermom is not even a bigger hurdle to overcome for aggro

And don't you pull the DoD on me.
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>>170873592
What? Roach otk requires at least a turn 8 now that gobu isn't guaranteeing roach meanwhile I've seen dshifts kill from 20 health as early as turn 6. I know I'm speaking in extremes but all these combo decks go off at around the same time. They're not control decks.
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>>170873807

Soccermom has counter play unless they draw all their May's in opening hand.

The counter to this amulet is pepper your angus.
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>>170873713
>Whenever a follower attacks your leader, deal 2 damage
>Elf Girl Liza: All allied followers can't be damaged

Well shit now that you mention, I don't really fucking know if Liza will work.

>If you are lucky to pull her
Good thing Sword is bad cause you need to be lucky to pull Albert >;)
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>tfw there is 2 forest, 1 rune, 1 sword, and 2 dragon legendary lefted

I'm guessing 1 meta forest and 1 good forest.

Rune will probably get another dirt legendary.

Sword with get some broken shit like always.

Dragon will get 2 meme legendary.
When I saw the Maelstrom Serpent, I thought dragon will be good again if it activated in overflow. Found out it's for blood.


Is dragon only good legendary Forte? What the fuck cygames?
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>>170873807
You can prevent a big soccermom by killing early faries. Meanwhile if they drop that amulet you get punished for trying to pursue your wincon.
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>>170873719
They're doing it to appeal to more fags leaving hearthstone when really should just be releasing more husbandos
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>>170873618
>>170873631

What's that girl with the blonde curls? I'm not a fan of modern street fighter, or fighting games in general, but she's pretty cute desu.
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>>170874002
Fafnir was a good legendary until they decided to print a way better neutral faf
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>>170874023
Are they brothers or do they just happen to look identical
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>>170873807
the current version of otk usually runs only 3x may and 3x roaches as its 1-2pp followers. unless you have a crazy good draw like faerie circle + may + ancient elf or 2-3 mays + ancient elf you can't even empower your ancient elf on turn 3

anyway if you hope to have a turn 3 ancient elf most of your games you are crazy
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>>170874002
>I'm guessing 1 meta forest and 1 good forest.
3/5 forest legos are shit. Just because it's not dragon tier doesn't mean it's guaranteed to get good things.
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this is the coolest art i've ever fucking seen. and the card seems decent too
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>>170874076
It's Luci and Albert
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>>170874093
Anon, haven't you ever read this thread before? Everyone knows Forest gets the 4/5 or 5/6 turn 3 soccermom every game
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>>170874062

Her name is Karin and she's the original ohoho ojousama
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>>170874002
I hope Dragon gets Awakened Bahamut and it's an Exodia card.
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>>170874162
That artist has a serious case of sameface
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>>170865686
Colored version, changed to "Accepting your fate"
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>>170874154
>the card seems decent too
I doubt anyone will play it. Losing 4 shadows at the start of your turn whether you want to or not seems like a recipe for disaster.
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>>170874298
11/10
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>>170874298
i love you
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>>170874298
Truly amazing.
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>>170874298
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>>170874298
Needs a
>Vengeance is active
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>>170874246
>Awakened Bahamut
i have read it as awkward bahamut
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>>170874076
It's the artist having same face syndrome. You can see it in olivia/mastema/windgod.
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>>170874298
Do one for dragon.
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>>170874298
Good job anon.
Almost makes me forget how shitty dragcuck is.
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>>170874316

The only saving grace of this card is that it summons the zombie at the end of your OPPONENT'S turn, which means it will be ready to attack at the beginning of your turn.

I don't expect this to see any play but it is interesting.
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>>170874298
i love you
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>>170874298
PERFECT
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>>170874298
adorable~

poor urias
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>>170874428
Well if it's in Dragon it pretty much is.
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>>170874439

Olivia has lots of Twins
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>>170874428
Awkward bahamut is when you summon him into opponent's board of 2 mords.
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>>170874298
why accepting your fate? is there some meme i'm missing here?
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>>170874298
Is Urias an elf?
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i wonder how maelstorm's emblem will look like
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>>170874298
No bullying the old man
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>>170873368
Control wins by living long enough to play big dudes and/or removing all threats from the opponent, until the opponent can no longer deal with the big dudes and/or no longer kill you. In other words, by outlasting and outvalue-ing the opponent. In SV that would be stuff like Leonidas, Mordecai, Olivia, Bahamut and Satan.

Where ramp just stries to skip the midgame entirely to reach lategame early, control waits it out with removal, but in the end the goal is the same : expensive cards are a tool to generate value, value makes you win.

Nephtys, Sun Satan, Control Sword (not Albertocraft), Control Blood and Dirtrune are control. D-shift, Seraph, and Roach are combo.
PtP Forest was control too, since PtP is effectively the highest cost card in the game and is more focused on creating an unwinnable game state for your opponent than straight up OTK like combo.
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>>170874737

It's his bottom right emote.
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>>170874737
Just accept your fate bro.
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>>170874737
One of Urias's taunts is going, "Accept your fate!"
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>>170873618
>>170873631
I think he means Shadowverse related leaders, which they fucking should know we want, I was expecting Albert leader but nope.
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>>170874768
It's supposed to be bat-like
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>>170874768
all the vampires get their ears sharpened when they become one
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>>170874002
Forte is strong enough to carry the whole craft.
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>>170874804
>>170874868
>>170874875
explains why i wouldn't know then, i only play blood as vampy
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>>170874154
It looks like a death metal album cover or something.
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>Play Deaths Ledger in a Nep deck
>Drop it turn 9
>it summons nep
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>yfw theyre actually supporting memes
First it was Tyrant memes with minthe and the 1pp 1/1 that gives ward bypass

Then ambush memes with that frog

Then Eidolon memes with Grail

Only Earth rite and dragon as a whole left and we can call TotG the meme set
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>>170874721
Two Aegis*

Gotta keep up with the memes.
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>>170875152
it doesnt trigger fanfare effects
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>>170875250
Frog Vagabond is a hero. A HERO. Every deck will be a story of him conquering armies, slaying demons, fucking hot fairy bitches, etc.
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>>170875387
That's the point, card just fuck you and you get nothing.
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Concede please

76269
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>>170875443
>Every deck will be a story of him conquering armies, slaying demons, fucking hot fairy bitches, etc.
And don't forget his most notable achievement:
Dying to Themis
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Is daria terrible for ranking up in ladder?

I try playing daria on my sandbag account in C rank and it basically came down to if I had daria early or not. If you don't get daria early enough you start relying top decking like aggro, however if you get it early you win if you are 2nd.

Is this accurate? Not sure if I want to craft 1 more daria on my main or not to get the 200 wins for the standard pack.
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>>170875387
I think that's his point. It suck major balls if it gets Nep out.
>>170874801
Seconding. Mordecai and Aegis are the quintessential control cards.
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>>170875491
Please help
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Mangrove is worded the same as Robin Hood, so it should apply the damage before the attack goes through, right? But the IGN article suggests that the damage can go through if you're willing to suicide the followers. So I wonder, is the article wrong or is the translation off again?
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mobilefag who cant highlight cells in the google doc, are there any other links to the latest wave of cards?
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>>170875250
Bruh
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Thanks Ebola chan.
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>>170875443
The tribunal will see to him.
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>>170875685
http://au.ign.com/articles/2017/03/13/8-new-shadowverse-cards-exclusive-ign-reveal
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>>170875654
I think the example you're talking about was specifically referring to Shadow suiciding their dudes for Shadows, wasn't it?
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>>170875823
Ya, but it says "maybe your opponent will just get the damage in and let his followers die".
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>>170874801
>/svg/ doesn't understand what the control archetype entails at its root
>probable MtG player loses his cool
I feel ya man
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Am i doing it right /svg/?
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>>170875895
I just reread it, I'd assume IGN just got it wrong. Every card like that activates its effect before the attack, like Fangblade and Incandescent, unless explicitly stated like Damus and Iceblade Warfiend do.
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>Main csword
>drop the game after the nerfs
>return to the game
>sword is cancer now

what the hell
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>>170875975
>aurelia
no
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>>170876016
>Now
Sword has always been cancer though?
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really tutors my alberts
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>>170875895
>>170875823
>>170875654
It's just the IGN author being wrong.
>Whenever an enemy follower ATTACKS your leader, deal 2 damage to that follower
Implies your follower will be damaged before dealing the damage.

It would be after if it was written:
>Whenever an enemy follower DEALS DAMAGE to your leader, deal 2 damage to that follower

This anon got it right >>170876010
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>>170876079
people were claiming it was a dead craft when RoB came out, but they were idiotic enough to not realize you can tutor albert
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>>170875975
- Unica
- Aurelia
+ Lyrial
+ Tsubaki
- Vanguard + Floral fencer?
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I'm looking at Death's Ledger right now, and I can only think of a Morde-cheating combo deck similar to Reanimate. How will this not be good?
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>>170876090
Joke's on you, if this is Dshift and you actually waste time and pressure by playing maid again, even if you've got Albert into Albert T5 and T6 there's a serious chance you won't be able to stop him from reaching T8.
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>>170874801
spotted the babbystone player. the original tcg control deck won by attacking you with this guy 10 times while not letting you do anything. "control" sword basically has no control elements, and most of the other decks you listed are just bad because they're slow.
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>>170875152
the only nep deck it can fit in it's 2478 which is a shit

anyway ledger is a card which creates its own deck
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>>170876016
It's not that sword was dead after RoB, just the archetype that was dominant in DE.
Most were just lamenting the death of Otomeme.
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>>170876225
>vanguard + floral
Don't do this.
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>>170876386
>most of the other decks you listed are just bad because they're slow.
Well yeah. This is comboverse feat. aggro we're talking about.
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>>170876362
>random Shadowcraft follower that costs less than your total play point orbs

That's why, you'd have a chance of Mordecai playing it at turn 9. It would only be guaranteed if he were your only Shadow follower in the whole deck.
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>>170875250
>Then ambush memes with that frog
that frog doesn't support ambush memes in any way

it's just a very sticky follower to hit your face every turn in an aggro/midrange sword deck

>>170876225
>+ Tsubaki
memes
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what starter deck is worth it?
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>>170876483
not like pulling lurching or khawy or balor is bad too
it's like you trade for free every turn
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>>170876016
>>sword is cancer now
you mean again

and you should fucking kill yourself for being so much of a pathetic child you drop the game because your favorite class isn't tier 1 anymore
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>>170876602
Starter Blood is the overall best value
Too bad CBlood is shit
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>>170876367
I won T6 because he let my shitters keep hitting his face
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>>170876386
What's the difference between combo and control then ?
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>>170876602
heaven
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>>170876482
just because it uses a combo as a win condition doesn't mean dimension shift isn't a control deck. just look at it's matchups for proof. against every other deck in the format you're playing to deny your opponent from doing anything.
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>>170876602
forest shadow and blood are all really good value

haven is the worst and the rest are just meh
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>>170876037
>>170876225
>-Aurelia

But how will i counter other aggro decks?
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>>170866752
>Owlcat is allowed a snack after "spending time" with an amorous owl

Owlcat got prison bitched.
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>>170876602
Shadow.
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>>170867549
Giant Slayer is edited? What's the original?
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>>170876631
>Drop after the nerfs
>my main wast even nerfed

learn to read
i dropped it because i wanted to play some other things and give the game some time to estabilize the meta
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>>170876608
It's even more restrictive on deck building then Nep if you want it to be consistently useful though.

You'd need to run only neutral followers alongside your last word curve.
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>>170876705
By that logic pure Roach isn't combo but control, then. You sure ?
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What will the Owlcat's summon line be? Will it be a hoot or a meow?
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>>170876710
Then build your deck to be midrange instead of "midrange".
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>Everyone calling Blood shit

>mfw flashbacking to two months ago when I just started playing the game
>Everyone was saying Sword is shit

>mfw I hit Masters with Blood today
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>>170876105
Yeah it is like ribon hood you need at least 3 hp to attack their leader or else the follower will died for nothing. Then this card is pretty good for combo deck as it will protect your next 2 turn for anything less than 2 hp for going your face while you can save card and set up your hands
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ROB WHY WON'T YOU GIVE ME ALBERTS REEEEEEEEE
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>>170875686

This is not a meme card. This is going to be a staple of the nastiest burn deck this game has ever seen.
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>Gawain

Why does Sword get all the broken ass cards

What was Cygames thinking
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>>170876861
>>Everyone calling Blood shit
they aren't wrong
>>mfw I hit Masters with Blood today
grats, you can hit masters playing literally anything if you grind enough games though
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>>170876850
I'm no mere owl.
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>>170876696
Combo decks are decks focused on pulling off a specific combo to win the game.
Control decks are focused on stopping your opponent from doing shit and winning via late game value.
The important thing to note here is they're not mutually exclusive; combo-control is 100% a thing. A control deck can have a combo finisher, and combo decks will have control tools because they need to not die too. The real major difference is that combo decks are way more focused on doing their combo as quickly as possible. Sure, DShift has a lot of removal, but most of the deck is card draw or combo pieces. DShift is much more of a combo deck than, say, Elana Seraph, which has the Seraph package but is not 100% reliant on it.
DShift will not win if it does not combo. Elana Seraph has a decent chance to win even if it never draws Seraph.
And of course, a pure control deck would look something like Sunshine Haven, which wins via one late game value card and just survives until then.
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>>170876010
>>170876105

>IGN getting it wrong
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>>170866752
wtf is that mouse's tail

>>170876727
you are ill
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Do you guys think Tarnished Grail gives you guaranteed one each of the three picked by RNGesus, or instead any random combination like 2 Servant 1 Astaroth or 3 Dis ?
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>>170877085
>IGN
>SV
I still don't get it. Why there stupids looking up the goddamn IGN?
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>on a 17 ranked loss streak
Make it stop
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Owlcat doujins when?
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>>170877003
I don't know man maybe you're all just retarded memers who parrot each other
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Owlcat's name is literally a pun because in ching chong nip nong the word for Owl is literally Owl Cat
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>>170876861

You can literally hit Masters with anything.

The real test of the meta is getting top 100.

I have yet to see an aggro blood deck or ANY aggro deck for that matter have any presence in the top 100.

There might be one or two guys who did it but they are the exception that proves the rule.
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I was looking through the flairs in the Japanese version and translating them. This was one of Rowen's.
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>>170876793
we have a lot of great low cost neutral followers though
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>>170877248
It's not your deck at this point lad. Just close the game out and come back later.
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>>170877248
What the hell deck are you playing?
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>>170877296
>I have yet to see an aggro blood deck or ANY aggro deck for that matter have any presence in the top 100.
Isn't the guy at the very very top a blood player

>There might be one or two guys who did it but they are the exception that proves the rule.
Or maybe blood requires skill that decks like Daria don't need
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>>170877227

Cygames leaked these cards specifically to IGN so they could have the scoop on debuting these latest cards.

Not a bad strategy for reaching out to a Western audience even if IGN is a fucking clown fiesta.
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>>170877360
Aggro blood does not require skill, but keep dreaming anon
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>>170877031
>Elana Seraph
Exactly. That's a nice way to put it, actually : pure Elana is control, pure Seraph is combo (admittedly with a lot of control tools by virtue of its combo being expensive, but still combo), and Elana Seraph is a mix of both.
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>>170877398
I don't know man from the sounds of it only a few people can truly master it

Sounds pretty skillful to me
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>>170877360
>Isn't the guy at the very very top a blood player

I'm like 90% sure that is a control blood player. There always seem to be one or two insane control blood players in the top 100.

I'm not sure what that proves but I do respect them.
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>>170874453
Sure, don't want to draw the same pic though, got any suggestions?

In the meantime here's a Black Dragon version of that one dragon pic I see posted here a lot.
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>Have 2 HP left, Opponent has 9
>"Accept your fate!"
>"Sorry! Time for target practice!"
>Drop a Silver Bolt on them, killing them instantly
>Thanks!
>"Determining the outcome..."

there's no better feeling than turntabling some smug fuck who thinks they've won
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>>170877470
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
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>>170877448
>I'm not sure what that proves
That blood is powerful under the right hands. A skilled hand.

Daria players wouldn't understand.
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>>170877348
Storm Dragon and I keep encountering Seraph players.
So frustrating when at turn 8 they have their seraph down and I'm 1 off lethal, and next turn they always fucking pop it. Its soul crushing.
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>>170877398

In theory the skill with aggro decks comes from the deck building not the actual card playing.

In practice, all aggro decks are forced into the narrowest archetypes in the game because Cygames doesn't give aggro a decent mix of viable options and prefers to just make a few OP cards that every aggro deck relies on.

It's fucking stupid.
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>>170877531
i have recently stomped some guy on his aa trials who used daria. it needed such a skillful piloting of my aggro blood :^)
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>>170876696
>>170876797
the difference is how many control elements the deck has. dimension shift has a ton of control elements because the combo is slow and you need to not die before you can get it out. roach is more focused on the combo and doesn't run much control outside of may and sylvan justice. in card games not made for kindergarteners combo decks can be good against aggro since good ones win by turn 4 or sooner and there's nothing aggro can do to stop it.
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>>170877448
Nah there's no way that's control. He has way too many wins to be playing control, it has to be aggro.
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>>170877448
He's not control, he's aggro bats. I ran into him before and he conceded after I did t3 kiss t4 wardrobe raider.

He's just grinding efficiently and quitting as soon as he thinks he has no chance.
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Has Cygames permanently fucked up the Dragoncraft class with the Discard mechanic?

The craft was supposed to be "survive to Overflow and drop massive value cards", not "massacre your whole deck with discard memes".
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>>170877620
Good job, bloodkin.
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>>170877531

I'm not a Daria player, I'm a former aggro blood player who switched to Tempo Forest this season after the Gobu Nerf killed any deck building possibilities in aggro blood.

I agree that control blood but takes skill but it's also possible that those people just get Top 100 through sheer devotion.

It is theoretically possible if you grind like an unemployed Japanese man.
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>>170877531
He has twice as many wins playing blood as the top players of other crafts. It's grinding you tard.
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>>170877756
>He has twice as many wins playing blood as the top players of other crafts.
That's generally how you get to the top of the ladder regardless of the craft you're using.
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>>170877718
Will he ever see play again?
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>>170877723
>the Gobu Nerf killed any deck building possibilities in aggro blood
wut
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>>170877672
>>170877678

Well I respect him for pulling it off but as someone who racked up 80,000 points trying this last season, that man went through hell.

Playing aggro blood in this meta is madness and I don't want to think about how much he had to grind to maintain a winning average.
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>>170877470
>play against Forest some time before the nerf
>shows all signs of being Roach
>react by putting as much pressure as possible even though that's not main strategy of the deck, similar to the D-shift matchup
>end up forcing him to sacrifice a Roach for board control, or at least that's what it looked like to me
>"Only two Roaches left, I can stop him with enough wards"
>build the Berlin Wall
>suddenly 9 damage Silver Bolt to face
>I don't have lethal
>second Bolt next turn kills me
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>>170877686
The game's supposed to end on turn 9, very latest, there's no time for value
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>>170877813
he is commonly played in cblood and sometimes 1x in some aggro blood decks
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>>170877810
Are you saying ranked is less about skill and more about sheer grinding and nothing else??
What a fucking shock
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>>170877686
I think discard is fun, there just need to be more cards that actually use the mechanic, mainly a card that heals on discard
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>>170877810
Except he grinds twice as much.
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>>170876759
nvm, found it
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>>170877865
dude it's not how it works

if you lose more than you win regardless how much you play you will lose points

therefore his deck wins more than loses
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Like 90% of my opponents are Dorothy Witch.
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I stopped play for a while.
Is Aggro Blood Bats still viable?
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>>170877823

There were bat decks that a good player could get over 60% winrate with using Gobu.

Those decks were fun to play and had a lot of room for tech choices.

In the current meta, you just have to use the standard bat deck and grind like a motherfucker/hope you don't get RNG screwed too often.
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>>170878050
B-but it got nerfed!! It's fine now!!
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Mark my words, this next expansion is going to create the shittiest meta yet.

With all the control support coming out, D-Shift is going to be out in full force to rake in free wins, which means everyone is going to counter it by taking the new support and adding it to aggro decks. It's just going to be hyper aggro and D-Shit all day.
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>>170878050
Tempo rune seems fairly solid against them. Also it gives me a chance to play with my gabriel that I thought would never see daylight.
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>>170877686
Problem is that you give up so many options by discarding cards for lackluster effects that just don't fucking matter. Add hellbent from MTG to dragon and it would be good.
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>>170878004
>dude it's not how it works
>if you lose more than you win regardless how much you play you will lose points
>therefore his deck wins more than loses

No offense, but do you literally not understand how standard deviation works?
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>>170878067
never heard of a non-meme aggro blood deck where gobu couldn't be swapped for, say, aotw or where pulling ambling wraith wasn't an ok result
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>>170878065

Killer Devil and AotW instead of Goblin Mage, and you can still steal a few wins.
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Calling dibs on Owlcat emblem.
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>>170878119
>not considering the new elf cards
tempo elf is going to be tier 1.
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>>170877947
>Are you saying ranked is less about skill and more about sheer grinding and nothing else??
You have to win a lot to get to the top.

You're the one downplaying the strength of his deck by saying he's "just" grinding.

But if all he wanted to do is grind to be at the top, why wouldn't he use a "stronger" deck? Unless the deck he uses was already strong. Which it is.
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>>170878067
What's the standard deck?
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>>170878119
but control will beat the aggro
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>>170878193
I can't wait until everyone's hating on Cynthia and we're all bouncing Tia up and down and getting her off a bunch again
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>>170878173
18th loss in a row. Salty beyond measure.
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>>170878161

>any deck I haven't heard of is a meme

ok mang, nice bait
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>>170877686
I think the idea was that you're supposed to survive till endgame using cheap cards and then use them as discard fodder once you can start playing your good cards.
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>>170878254
H-HEAR
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>>170878152
i think i understand it much better than you, you seem to have some weird ideas about statistics

if you play a lot you have a better chance to get a long streak to any direction, but the whole outcome of your effort becomes less and less affected by the random deviation
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>>170878050
Bricks 289,643,227,904% of the time.
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>>170877636
Aren't you contradicting yourself tho ?

If Shadowverse's combos being expensive and therefore weak to early game (as opposed to Magic where you can just go full drawpower/tutor and ignore everything) is the only reason they're forced to borrow defensive tools from control, then isn't this an argument in favor of those decks being combo decks ?
Do you follow me ? They would never consider playing control tools if they weren't forced to, so clearly that proves they're not genuine control.
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>>170878258
>reading comprehension
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>>170878119
>control
Proper control is ded. Stall until albert/w/e wins you a game is not control. And current midrange is just a turn slower than aggro
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>>170878212

You people literally dont understand basic statistics.

The more you play, the more your deck reverts to the mean.

The mean of aggro blood is above 50% so you can climb if you grind enough.

The other decks are so much more consistent they can reach the same score with far less games played.

That is what people mean when they say he was just grinding. If you can't understand that, finish high school.
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>>170878470
>You people literally dont understand basic statistics.
I understand it well enough that you're just interpreting it to put Blood down.
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Tried making a ramp dragon deck today.

I died to angel crusher.
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I'm so sick of this fucking meme where I don't draw any cards i can play until turn 4
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>you can undub voice on unrooted android

VICTORY is a good thing
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>>170878119
>meta has gotten shittier with every new pack
Hmmm, you may be on to something....
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>>170878560
Rev up those Odin and Bahamut then because clearly you didn't have enough
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>>170878315
>but the whole outcome of your effort becomes less and less affected by the random deviation

No, the more data points, the more a data set reverts to the mean.

That is how it works.

So if the mean is above a 50% winrate then the sky is the limit if you grind like a madman.

I'm not talking shit about the guy. I respect his dedication and he is surely a better player than me.

But the point about grinding is completely valid and you're missing it.
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>>170878510
You realize aggro decks are some of the most luck dependent decks in the game right? Because games with aggro decks are so quick you see very little of your deck, so aggro matches are all about card draw RNG. And due to the very uninteractive mechanics in SV, it's less skill-based than in other card games too.
And note I'm talking about what both players draw here, not just what you draw like Daria or DShift.
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>>170878510
>I understand it well enough that you're just interpreting it to put Blood down.

I'm not putting blood down.

Blood is my favorite class.

You are doing Blood a disservice by making it out to be better than it is. That type of wishful thinking and lack of criticism is why the devs are content to keep giving Blood shit cards.
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>>170877360
>a deck where you completely ignore the board and go face requires more skill then one that actually interacts with the board
ok buddy
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>>170878254
>Seabrand, Khaiza and Dragontamer
What in god's name are you playing?
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>>170877408
that's wrong dumbass. elana is a gimmicky aggro deck with some control elements. seraph is almost a pure control deck.
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>>170878220

It was something like this.

I had a 60%+ winrate with this.
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>>170878621
>reading comprehension
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>>170878775
Not talking about DE era Elana, more like the deck you build exclusively to piss off aggro by not dealing face damage ever, only trading and healing for 40 per game.
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>>170878643

EXACTLY.

The best decks, like Forest and Rune have so many tools to mitigate these inconsistencies in the card draw RNG. That is why Forest and Rune have ALWAYS been so dominant.

Aggro draws like a quarter of its deck. You would have to have 4x card drops to guarantee seeing one card in every game.

That's why Gobu was so huge for aggro and why the Gobu nerf didn't hurt forest nearly as much.

I don't get why so many people fail to understand this. It's BASIC game theory.
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>>170878725
This seems pretty memey. You're giving up a bunch of charge cards for an unreliable bat combo. I could just run wolf, dark general or imp lancer and get confirmed damage.
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>>170878609
I didn't draw them until the last time I used fervor which didn't leave me enough PP to play them.
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>>170878953
>Forest [...] so many tools to mitigate these inconsistencies in the card draw RNG
Reminds me of the first time I saw a PtP list and saw that over half the deck was 2 mana or under.
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So like vagabond frog

>t3 fencer
>t4 white general
>except for the obligatory turn 6 themis or meme cards like pixie mischief, there is no way to deal with it

Sounds like a nice card that will hurt T2 balance too.
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>>170879130
I miss PtP
There was no greater pleasure in life than casting Altered Fate when you had 8 fairies in hand
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>>170877974
>>170876759
If you want the full art.
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>>170878962

What's unreliable is relying on storm cards and praying you don't get cucked by wards.

The Gobu deck was reliable because it almost entirely ignored late game wards.
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>>170876213
stop saying non-sense the reason sword wasn't as prevalent was because rune and forest were keeping it in check. the power just shifted
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>>170878962
>>170878795
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>>170879152
>meme cards like pixie mischief
lolwhat
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>>170879152
>Sword already Tier 0
>Hey let's print them some uninteractive 3 drops so they can get in for damage all the time
>What rarity?
>Common for sure
These fuckers literally couldn't give a single shit about arena
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>>170877686
they just need more low cost discard this card and summon on to field or discard this card and do this
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>>170879152
Vagabond is 3pp

Still sick in T2 regardless
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>>170879210

Well, good luck hitting the frog when there is other followers in play.
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>>170879130

Exactly. Now THAT was a good deck.

It was so good they HAD to nerf it. And the whole reason it was good was because of, once again, the insane card draw.

It's the same reason Dshift continues to be a stalwart even as the meta is shifting like crazy.
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>>170878695
I'll start memeing with you "Sword is bad two months ago!" types when I start doing badly with Blood too.
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>>170879152
>t3 fencer
But the frog is the T3
Also some of you guys are greatly overestimating its resistance to a variety of board clears.
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>>170879238
>implying sword is Tier 0
You haven't seen what true Tier 0 is if you're not an MtG or YGO player
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>>170879443
Tier 0 limited anon, not constructed.
Does YGO even have a limited format?
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>frogbat and vagabond frog
>both having abilities at the end of the turn and also cost 3PP
>all other classes still have slots for bronze cards

Are we going to get a cycle of frogs? Haven frogs that heal 1 defense each turn? Rune frog that spellboosts? Dragon frogs that hear?
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>>170879348
No one's saying it's going to stick around up to a board clear. The point is that it stealths itself, meaning you can play it, evolve, take out a high-value follower, then have it stick around for a couple more turns. It's basically guaranteed at least one more attack of your choice, instead of dying to your opponent's evolve the following turn.
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>>170879487
Oh, right, my bad.
No it doesn't, not in any official form
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>>170879514
>Frogbat
>Owlcat
What did they mean by this?
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>>170878119
i will pioneer the meta with my midrange serpent deck

just waiting for the rest of the cards to leak before i start theory crafting
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>>170879315
>implying altered fate is a forest card
the only real card draw forest has is glimmering wings and that fairy I can't remember, which are both pretty shit because they give negative card advantage most of the time you play them.
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>>170879514
Haven already has a healing frog
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>>170879537
Man-Eating Mangrove :^)
I think I might be onto something here as far as shitposting potential goes
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>>170879593
do owlcats eat frogbats?
do frogbats eat owlcats?
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>>170879640

Pure Healer is going to replace that one, though. No hag is going to play a vanilla 2PP.
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>>170879593

Japanese animals are different from our animals.
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>>170879628
You're supposed to be playing fairies, Mays, and water fairies to trigger glimmering wings, and then bounce next turn with an ancient elf.
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>>170879628
>card draws either 1 or 2 two new cards
>negative card advantage
what did he mean by this? and other classes don't get to trade shitty fairies for real cards.
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>>170879679
Vampy bungas all
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>>170879514

Haven already has a frog.

Now we just need a shadow frog, a dragon frog, and a neutral frog.

No, I didn't forget Rune. FUCK RUNE.
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>>170879679

Does Vampy eat my seed?
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Looking for a non-concede. I'm using an aggro blood deck so I can just beat on you. Happy to concede for you after, or to lose non-concede too.
96332
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>>170879628

Glimmering Wings just requires you to play cards for you to plus.

Altered Fate only minuses you by one, but since you're pitching mostly 1/1s the value from it more than exceeds that loss.
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>>170879747
If you play two real cards then glimmering wings you're down a card
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>>170879872
Sauce me
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>>170879895
Define a real card
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>>170879895
But no one ever plays real cards for it.
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>>170879747
you're using 3 cards to draw 2, which also meants it costs 4pp. compare that to blood who can draw 2 for 2 or rune who can draw 2 for 0.
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She isn't a virgin?
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>>170879931
c u t e
u
t
e
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>>170880018
She didn't get married to him yet, don't worry.
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>>170879883
Thank you Erika
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>>170879949
Not a fairy
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>>170879918
This was the ID on gelbooru

a3489deb5eb4a60b73f1d9b689287b59
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>>170879628
>the only real card draw forest has is glimmering wings and that fairy I can't remember, which are both pretty shit because they give negative card advantage most of the time you play them.

The fairies themselves are a card draw mechanic anon. They generate consistent value.

But raw card draw isn't the main way that forest mitigates RNG. The main way they mitigate RNG is by bouncing their whole fucking board with the most broken legendary in the game and the most powerful 1 mana card in the entire game (Nature's Guidance).

Also, you forgot that Nature's Guidance draws a card.

You also forgot that the original OP PTP deck relied on Harvest Festival which was INSANE card draw pre-nerf.
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>>170880018

Look at the way she dresses. Just look at her outfit.

She could've been waiting for wedding night.
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>>170880018
rowen isn't a virgin too btw
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>>170880056
There's no way her fiance wasn't hitting that every night
>>
Remember when people thought Priest of the Cudgel was one of the best cards in the game just because it was a two monster removal on turn 4?
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>>170880138
I SAID

SHE WASN'T

MARRIED YET

FFFFFUCK YOU
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>>170880018

>he didn't get the used goods joke

And yet there are those lusting over those sags.
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>>170880082
>most broken legendary in the game
I didn't know Daria was a Forest card?
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>>170880138
The guy went to war because he wasn't getting any of that. If he had been sleeping with her I doubt he would've left the house.
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>>170880082
It still baffles me that Ancient Elf starts as a 2/3 ward.

Like, what? It has the best possible statline for a 3 drop and a good keyword as a BASE. It pays literally nothing for its insane ability?

What?
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>let's play some take 2
>Oh look enemy haven
>t1 pegasus
>t2 beastcall
>t3 veteran tamer
>t4 another tamer
>t5 Ancient lion just clears my board
>this has basically happened for the last 5 haven matchups


why the FUCK aren't these Haven decks bricking in T2.
I fucking swear, everytime I play T2 as haven I get shit like 6Drop,7Drop,5Drop in starting hand but these fucking havens are shitting out amulets on curve out the ass.
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>>170880138
>>170880231

>gets killed by fucking Rowen

Guy's a master of being beta.
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>>170880218
I'm new and was told to get the Daria card when I'm rerolling.

It seems that I can't get lolis and sememe demons with a cancer deck so I settled for this.
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Other 2 were Incandescent Dragons

Had no Tsubaki or Odins and as Sword I have no reliable way to clean a board so I just had to watch it happen.
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It's a really nice feeling getting a free win from somebody who disconnected before turn one on Take Two
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>>170880082
ancient elf isn't drawing cards so I don't know what you're talking about. there's no guaruntee that you'll even draw ancient elf. I've played games where I've gotten to turn 10+ without drawing a wolf even though I have 3 copies. I've also gotten games where I draw 2 wolves before turn 4. shitty cards like glimmering wings do nothing to help with that.
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>>170880296
Get FUCKED sword shitter. You deserved it
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>>170880296
Just Bahamut bro.At least until Aegis released
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>>170880329
How many Alberts have you seen in your life time?
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>>170880328

>there are forest players in this general who don't hard mull or keep soccermom in starting hand

Don't jest yourself, because that happens more often that not.
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I'm having fun playing neutral dragon satancraft

Am i cancer yet?
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>>170880296
Where is you Hamsa+Cyclone anon?
I've had luna double death's breath me and I couldn't clear it either
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>>170880296
I have Tsubaki, Odin and Albert on the new player reward rolls.

Should I just play Swordcraft instead of Runecraft? I only received Daria for Runecraft cancer deck.
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>>170880296

PURGE THE EVIL
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>>170880219
>I didn't know Daria was a Forest card?

Daria isn't broken, she's just straight up overpowered. Reduce her spellboost by even one and she's fixed.

I'm not sure there is any way to fix Ancient Elf that doesn't involve a complete rework or reducing her stats to levels that are just ridiculously low.

Even as a 1/2 I STILL think she would get played as a 3x in almost every Forest deck.
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>>170880386
I'm still salty about Otohime personally.
Albert is just making it worse.
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>>170880420
Post legos and golds, also the vial amount you have and gold available.
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>there are those in this general
>who won't run Owl Cat in next meta

If there is any card that kills aggro blood even more, it's the owl.

>hoses on yurius and spiderweb imp
>cannot even trade bats into it
>can only make even trades with vania or wolf
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>>170880247

A fully buffed turn 4 Ancient Elf is almost as strong as Atomeme but instead of destroying your deck she returns the cards to your hand.
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>>170880472
>Daria isn't broken
It doesn't matter that she's one tweak away from just being powerful. In her current form she is the single most broken card in the entire game. Bouncing your shitty fairies to get an overstatted minion early on is fucking nothing child's play to what Daria does.
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>>170880296
>not running bahamut
your fault nigger

also,
>mouth breather
kek, faglord BTFO i have no sympathy for you
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>>170880296
>Aggro deck doesn't stand up to late game high stat followers
Woooooow
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>>170880537
>tech against a bad craft while being shit against good ones
Thanks for the magic missile target :^)
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>>170880328

Refilling your hand and applying it as stats to a unit on the board mitigates the fuck out of RNG.

If you can't understand that then I don't know how to explain it to you.
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>>170880537
Even better, kills

Forest 1/Xs
Sword 1/xs
Ivory Dragon
Attendant of Night
Hell's Unleasher
Snake Priestess
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>>170880494
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>>170880617
>Monika
>Blitz Lancer
>Whole Souled Swing
>aggro
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>get sick of bricking
>switch to storm haven
>this shit happens
I can't escape
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>>170880617
You idiot, that isn't aggro. He even mentioned Odins and Tsubaki.
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>>170880537
Let's think of this logically.

You're starting first. It's turn 2, so you play Owl Cat. The opponent will treat it like it was a 2/2; by dropping Veight, ignoring it, and going face. Maybe you clear the Veight with a spell and then make one good trade on turn 3, which is when they take LITERALLY ANY FOLLOWER from their hand, evolve it, and kill the owl on their turn 4.
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>>170880579

If you want to treat overpowered and broken as synonyms that's your prerogative.

In my opinion, Ancient Elf is the most broken legendary and Daria is the most overpowered.

I agree that Daria is more powerful than Ancient Elf.

But in my opinion Ancient Elf is more broken.
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>>170880807

Damn, anon. You make it sounds like any other 2-drop can survive a turn 4 trade.
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>>170880701
You can just make 1 more elana and cuck aggro decks from A0 and below. Pluto is outclass by odin, you could vital it or save it for dailies.
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>>170880090
>She could've been waiting for wedding night.
i recall that 4chan banner with sasha gray...

>>170880082
glimmering wings also charge other forest cards like roaches
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>>170880834
>In my opinion, Ancient Elf is the most broken legendary and Daria is the most overpowered.
Ancient Elf bounces stuff that's already on your board and gets more powerful for each one. That's strong.

Daria COMPLETELY SHITS ON BASIC CARD GAME PRINCIPLES. Drawing five cards and making them all cheaper...? She's broken.

>>170880870
I'm just saying everyone is really overstating how much Owlcat can do. They're just going to ignore it and go face like they do with all the other 2 drops without ward. MAYBE they'll spend a Razory Claw on it, MAYBE.
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>his sword sibling will be meta
>while pic-related will spend its time acquiring zen

Sounds about right.
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>>170880537
it hurts any aggro
it's essentially invulnerable to all 1pp drops and a few 2pp drops
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>>170880701
Sword doesn't seem like an option here.
You'd have to make your way towards crafting 2 alberts and 2-3 alwida's command. They are pretty key in any sword deck.

You can play Elana like this anon suggested >>170880882
Or just go for Daria like you mentioned. They would be cheaper than working on sword right now.
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>>170880834
Ancient Elf isn't even the best card in Forest. She's a great card, but I wouldn't call her broken, especially nowadays. I think you're really overestimating her.
Yeah, sometimes you can win the game by getting a huge Ancient Elf out early. But that rarely happens unless your opponent draws poorly and you draw the nuts. It is helpful that she lets you reuse fairies and may and stuff, but she's really not that broken. At he end of the day she's just a ward that can give you some good bounce value.
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>people think that owlcat will shut down aggro by trading them out.
>mfw

You guys are aware there's a 2/3 ward at 3pp coming out for everyone right, like he'd be better in a lot more scenarios.
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>>170880882
>>170880989
Alright, I'll try Runecraft and Havencraft.

Could you tell me the main goals and gimmicks of both classes? if you don't mind.

How strong is the cancer for each of them on a scale of 1-10?
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>>170881073

The owl can't be ganked by 3 fairies and die, though. It's so good, it swats those pixies before they even come into contact with it.
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>>170880961

That's just conflating the two terms.

Broken means unfixable. That is literally the definition of the word.

Overpowered just means overstatted.

But if you want to conflate those two terms arguing about semantics would be off topic frankly.
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>>170881153
Except May just shoots him so he dies anyway.
RIP Owlcat
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>>170880653
the point being contested was card draw and ancient elf does nothing to affect that since it doesn't draw any cards. you're still entirely reliant on topdeck luck to get your win cards, and glimmering wings is in fact one of the worst draw cards in the game.
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>>170881064

I said she was the most broken legendary.

Obviously gold cards are the most ridiculous pieces of shit in this entire game.
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>>170881153
>Implying they don't have sylvan justice anyways.
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>>170881064
I don't know about pre-darkness evolved forest, but since steam release at least forest has always been full of otherwise garbage cards entirely carried by the fact that it has the best and second best (now second and third best) defensive cards and the best storm follower in the game. take ancient elf and roach away and forest is dragon tier garbage.
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>>170881167
Dude, they're synonyms. They mean the same shit in game terminology.
Though if you want to get technical, broken ACTUALLY mean it breaks the game, which Daria does in multiple senses. She breaks the rules of card games by giving you cheap card draw and a shitload of free mana, and she also breaks the game by warping the meta around her.
Broken does not mean unfixable. Even outside of games, broken things can often be fixed. We have a word for when that happens; it's unfixable.
>>170881268
And she's not, because that's Daria.
I'd argue she's not even in the top 3 broken legendaries nowadays.
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>>170881174
>>170881326

There. Now it's invincible.
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>fight blood
>he razory claws my face on turn 2
>assume he's aggro
>proceed to lose because he plays wardrobe raider and matriarch
Why are people so fucking retarded this high on the ladder?
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>shadow can now have a 4PP tribunal with one less countdown which brings them morde late game and also gives 3 Shadow in total

P-O-W-E-R C-R-E-E-P.
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>>170881473
>thinks only aggro runs razory
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>>170881183

No if you go back the original point of the discussion was that Forest and Rune are the most consistent decks because they have the most mechanics to mitigate RNG

>>170878643
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>>170881473
not sure bro, looks like he baited you pretty well.
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>>170881576
Oh yeah, control blood always hits face with razory on turn 2. Every game, really.
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Just had this idea for an alternative to Odin.

Kidnapper
3 PP
1/1
Fanfare: Banish an enemy follower or amulet.
Last Words: Return the banished follower or amulet to play.

Thoughts?
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>>170881473
>thinks only aggro Blood runs Razory Claw
>complaining about an aggro deck running off meta techs
Whichever one you are, you're still a dumbass.
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>>170881137
>Runecraft
Cheap draw, removal and cost reduction are the main mechanisms.

The goal for Daria in particular is to play a lot of cheap followers that get their costs reduced by you playing spells or using followers that spellboost them. While at the same time you burn your opponent's hp through targeted spells.
>8/10 cancer.
Earthrite is completely different story so I won't expand on it here

>Havencraft
Amulets that spawn followers, healing, banishing (stops last words from triggering) and board clears.

The goal for Elana is to setup a board with a couple followers and buff them through healing yourself. If the enemy is threatening you with their own followers you have the tools to reset their board and out value them.
Loses pretty badly to control decks (Bahamut), but this won't be seen until higher on the ladder.
>6/10 cancer but has potential on lower ranks

That's pretty much it. I hope it helps you.
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>>170881473
>I lost
>he's the retard though
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>>170881650
Thank you so much.

What is the 10/10 cancer deck in your opinion?
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>>170881620

The control blood faking people out as aggro blood build does.
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>>170881473
How do you think Bloody Mary gets played?
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>>170881473

Dude, that's how 2578 nep works. Make itself looks like aggro shadow until you drop GMD and then Death's Breath into Kawaii into Nep.
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>>170881739
>playing blood pact and dire bond on consecutive turns
What will you believe?
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>>170881345
Not really. Forest is a well-oiled machine of multiple parts. Their other cards aren't garbage, in fact they're incredibly powerful. Where would Forest be without Nature's Guidance? Nowhere, that's where. And you know how Roach really shines? When you get two 0 cost fairies. Let's not even talk about their really strong early game control thanks to May and Sylvan Justice that lets them survive to their combo finishes.
Forest is a deck full of really strong cards. Roach and Ancient Elf just happen to be the two best ones.
And I'm going to make a bold claim here; I think Forest would survive without Ancient Elf. I've won plenty of games as Forest without her. Now Roach, on the other hand...
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>>170881752
By not being in good decks.
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>>170881729
I would have to say it's Dshift gets the closest but that's mostly because I enjoy playing control decks and it absolutely destroys them.

The game is okay right now, there isn't anything too oppresive that just makes me want to quit playing.
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>>170881473
Are you talking about yourself? You are the one that lost to the "retard"
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>>170881598
>merely pretending to be retarded

>>170881691
Yes, I lost because he made a retarded play that misled me. If I realized he was control I wouldn't put him into vengeance. He was retarded for making that gamble.

>>170881928
>losing to a retard makes you retarded
How many aggro sword players have you lost to today?
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>>170867549
>most likely edited like Giant Slayer and Harnenessed Flame/Glass
I know I'm replying to an hours old post but how were these cards edited?
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>>170882020

>fooled you into thinking he's playing an aggro
>he's a retard

This is some spicy topic for today.
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>>170881872
DShift is definitely a 10/1o cancer deck because it is completely unwinnable for a certain archetype since you literally cannot interact with what they're doing at all.
The only counter to DShift is winning before them.
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>>170881473
posturing is what mid blood is all about. you got baited.
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>>170882079
>Flame&Glass
They removed the chains that tied both of them.
Look at the japanese art for the original.

>Giant Slayer
She was showing her panties and they covered it.
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>>170881872
Thanks a lot
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>>170882079
Edited the front of her dress to hide the panty shot, gave her some ugly as shit boob plate and changed her shoe color to match the plate. Original is here >>170879165
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Are you guys having fun?
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> new haven gold
> meme

Why do they hate us?
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>>170882232
oh thanks, i should have just looked through the whole thread

>>170882169
>harnessed flame
>censor out the harness
goddamn localisation is stupid sometimes
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>>170882303
it's a good win condition for t2 and can be used for eidolon memes
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>>170882303
Just do 2 damage to your face and play an amulet that competes with a hardwincon
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Is the Steam censor up to date yet?
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>>170882303
>8 amulet board clear
>9 aegis
>10 bahamut or satan

GG no re
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>>170882320
It wasn't censored right?
I'm pretty sure it's the same in the nip version. I think they only difference is still Isabelle's tits
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>want to play shadowverse
>don't want to be online on steam because some people that i have there from my city will come at my house if they see i'm online
>dont have a cellphone

Pls what do i do
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I really love how dshift still beats aggro 20% of the time even though control has a 0% chance of beating dshift

Very fair
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>>170882516
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>>170882516
click on your view friend list

lick button beside your name

select offline
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>>170882596
If i login to change to offlane and open a game they will know, cause they will see the last time i was online was 1 min ago, thanks valve
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>>170882557
>mad about an 80% winrate against a popular deck archetype
haha bait
here's a (You)
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>>170882516
>Don't have a cellphone
What world are you living in
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>>170882653
Then make a new steam account, sperglord
>>
So nip IGN somehow confirms it. You will only fetch a random Shadowcraft follower that has lower PP than your current PP at the end of turn. So when you play it on curve, it can

>skullcradle widow - draw a card
>lurching corpse - randomly destroy an enemy follower
>attendant of night - a 4/4 lich
>necroelementist - a mini foul tempest

At least until they reveal the last 5 cards.
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>>170882653
Simply make a new Steam account just for Shadowverse or get an emulator.

Why the fuck will people come visit you if they see you on Steam and why the fuck don't you have a cellphone.
>>
>>170882303
>>170882303

I don't think it's as bad as people say it will be.
Yes, Seraph is a "faster" win con, but sometimes I'm really wishing I could evolved another lion spirit for the 2 damage aoe.
This card basically serves as a "fuck, can I just get some BREATHING room to play my shit" while also putting down a solid timer, something seraph can't really do on t8. Also, both get fucked by odin anyways, but with this, all you need is a spare Hallowed Dogma. You don't need to go "All In" on t8 seraph, you can play this and get back to doing control stuff.
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>>170882653
log in at like 4 am
go offline

the fuck is wrong with you anyway? do you owe these people money?

fuck it, don't reply, I don't give a shit. continue suffering if you must.
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>>170882653
once you're set into offline mode, it will ask you if you want to stay on offline mode the next time you start it.
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>>170882653
You know you can set steam to default to offline status even when you open it, right?

Either way if you shouldn't care if your friends know you're a weeb.
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>>170882748

And I forgot the image.
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>>170882805
You can play Seraph then go back to doing control stuff. I do it all the time. I've let Seraph go off naturally before
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Does the lore talk about how Luna got necromancer powers in the first place?
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>>170883047

It's revealed on chapter 13.
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>>170883047
She fucked a lich
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>>170883047
Power of suggestion as stated by Urias.
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http://usamin.love/card/vania_vampire_princess/e_evolve.wav

>this is a child voice in the US

Do they make a contest or something to hire the worst people for english acting?
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>>170883149
That's a teenager voice in the US you ding dong
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>>170883178
No its not, i bet she has 25+.
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Thoughts about Maelstrom Serpent? Can't believe they make a Dragon card for Blood.
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>>170883227
No I mean they're not trying to do a child voice, they're trying to do a spunky teen girl kind of voice
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>>170883247

C Blood finally have a wincon.
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Post "balanced" cards
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>>170883270
And failing hard
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>>170883293
Out of all the fucking broken Rune cards, you picked one of the actually balanced spellboost cards.
Incredible.
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>>170883270
It's because the west can't handle having little girls talking in their entertainment media, too scared of getting jailed.
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>>170883293

Not sure if I should have a boner or not.
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>>170880537
>spiderweb imp
What does that do?
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>>170883105
lich resisted
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How the fuck do you beat dshift?

People keep telling me to play aggro but it doesn't work. They just kaleido and Levi my shit for 6-8 turns, then kill me.
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>>170883293
What's imbalanced about wind blast?
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>>170883390

2PP 1/4 ward that slaps you for 2 if you don't have vengeance.
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>>170883437
I ALWAYS beat dshit on turn 5.
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>>170883437
play better aggro
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>>170883348
>>170883440
>2pp for 6+ damage that also spellboosts your hand
>balanced
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>>170883389
It's a dude.
So if you're gay, story checks out. If not, might be time for some soul-searching
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>>170883389

I think you can note that the girl is attractive, but she's not flashing anything so you'd working with the power of imagination there. At least that's what should be triggering it.
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>>170883437
T1 Quickblader
T3 Novice Trooper
T4 Novice Trooper
T5 Albert
T6 Albert
T7 Alwida+quickblader
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>>170883529
It's just a removal spell that only goes 1-for-1 and has to be drawn early to do good work. It's fine.
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>>170883437
flood the board (rune boadclear sucks and requires spellboost to work at best)
throw up taunts on t7
keep your hp high enough that it takes them longer to have enough combo in hand to kill you
exploit the fact that dshift has no healing
only use 1 or 2 drops that have storm or fanfare (to discourage kaleidoscopic)
keep your followers at 3hp to discourage piercing rune
>>
Can I finally play my medusas next expac
>>
>there are those who are dissing the notion of having 2 5/5s on turn 6

At least blood is not getting ginger-vomit-your-board-to-bahamut or a fucking desert rider.
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14220

Need a concede
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>>170883536
>It's a dude.
>>
Okay, cygames, you win.

I'll play fucking dshift, already got the Merlins anyway.

Fucking ToG.
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>>170883437
>make deck full of every semen demon card in blood for fun
>first game versus d-shift
>crush them

You beat them by playing minions every turn.
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>>170883851

post list
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>>170883516
>>170883583
That would require me to spend vials on stupid bullshit.

>>170883671
Wards don't do anything to dshift. My health is irrelevant when they have 2-3 free turns. Them having no healing doesn't matter when you can't get anything to stick on the board. Follower health is irrelevant when they have shit like wind blast, Levi, and fiery embrace.
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>>170883529
>undying recsntment
>blackened scripture
>breath of the salamander
>vampiric kiss
>hungering horde
>dragonewt fist
Yea, it's pretty balanced if you compare to those.
>>
>>170881840
actually look at forest cards outside of the ones used in literally every forest deck. elf guard: crap. wandering elf mage: crap. compare rose gardner to cudgel man, or magna botanist to sage commander. elf princess only seems good because she enables your other combo cards which would be unplayable without her.
>>
Why are all my opponents always lagging
>>
>>170883760
>Tfw no concede

Gem is ded.
>>
>beat Rowen
>they disconnect
Every time. Its always Rowens. What the fuck is wrong with dragon autists?
>>
>>170884140
They spent 30k vials on a sub 50% w/r deck
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>>170883293
Ancient Lion Spirit
Crimson Sorcery and by extension Levi
Ogler
Elana's
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>>170883832
Ready your ass for Alberts, sword is currently 0.1% behind rune in popularity
>>
>discord and reddit already memeing owlcat
I'm disappointed in you, /svg/.
>>
Why is dshift still in this fucking game
>>
>>170883437
Dshifters are lying faggots pretending they autolose to aggro to make up for the fact that they autowin against control. Aggro has the advantage against them but the truth is they beat anything if they happen to get the right cards.
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>>170884354
negative win rate
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>>170883910
Deleted the deck awhile ago, sorry

Just filter by bloodcraft cards and grab anything with beeg titties or no clothing.
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>>170884216
>Ancient Lion Spirit
Actually 100% balanced
>Levi
Overpowered
>Ogler
Fuck cost-reduction spellboost
>Elana
Actually 100% balanced
2/4, see me after class
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>>170884024
in removalverse, aggro needs to be able to do more than just shit out followers on curve. for example, aggro sword has storm out the ass, aggro blood has burn out the ass, and aggro shadow has reaper + ghosts out the ass. if you're dying to dshift, your "aggro" deck is failing to do one of these things.
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>>170884062
>compare rose gardner to cudgel man

Forget Cudgel, Rose Gardener is even worse than Wardrobe Raider.

Hell she is worse than Playful Necromancer even.

The only 4 drop EVO that might arguably be worse than her is demonflame mage.
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>>170884397
>they beat anything if they happen to get the right cards.

this is true of any deck that isn't trash
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>>170884238

Look at his fucking face.

Don't tell me you didn't think that everybody wasn't going to meme with him.
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>>170884216
>Ogler
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>>170884024
>My health is irrelevant when they have 2-3 free turns
If you're losing to multiple consecutive dshifts that means you couldn't exploit the fact they had 2-3 dead cards in their hand all game.

If you can't get anything to stick on the board that means you aren't putting enough on the board.

Follower health is not irrelevant and you're pretty retarded for even suggesting it. A 3hp follower is extremely inefficient to piercing rune. A 4hp follower requires either a spellboosted single target removal spell or levi running headfirst into it.

Rune removal is all single target, except fire chain which is 4pp and needs spellboosts.

Wards are not irrelevant because they keep you alive an extra turn.
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>>170884464
>Just filter by bloodcraft cards and grab anything with beeg titties or no clothing.

But that's way more than 40 cards.
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>>170884520
Except control playing against dshift.
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>>170884518
Are you implying that it's not normal for an aggro deck not to be full of burn or haste? Because that's generally how they operate, friend. Even if SV didn't have a lot of removal aggro would still pack as much burn and haste in as they can
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>>170884140
It's sword for me. Just don't use any emoticons and go face for lethal.

One time I was playing suicide aggro blood for my daily and this forest fucker use fiary beast and had lethal next turn but since I had the 1pp amulet (bloodfed flower bed). So he put me to 1 HP so I will kill myself instead of him killing me. So I rope that faggot for the 1:30 seconds then d/c for the checking match screen.


Tl;dr verison: end the game fast or you are going to get rope and d/c. Basically don't evolve ans shit when you already have lethal.
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>>170884216
>Elana
I agree, this card isn't balanced at all, it's severely underpowered
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>>170884612
i'm implying that if your aggro deck is dying to dshift because of kaleid and levi, it's missing burn and haste
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>>170884526
Everyone's doing it
It's no fun
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>>170884478
>waaah fuck runecraft
>Haven cards are okay though

I wonder who could be behind this post.
>>
>>170883832
Good luck, all the board floods and th e new high-stat early game will skin Dshift alive.
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>>170884541
>If you're losing to multiple consecutive dshifts that means you couldn't exploit the fact they had 2-3 dead cards in their hand all game.

Not really, if you play dshift a little you'll often have a dshift that you draw around the middle of the game and just barely charge it in time to use it as a finisher.
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>>170884623
>end the game fast
I'm playing seraph
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>>170884703

I'm still going to use it as a reaction image.
>>
>>170884752
>>170884752
>>170884752
new thread
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>>170884719
One of these classes has currently completely warped the meta around it.
Another isn't even tier 1
Really spellboosts my Darias
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>>170884518
>aggro sword
ACKSHUALLY it's not aggro, it's midrange
:^)
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>>170884418
And by negative you mean 20% against aggro but 90% against anything else, right?

>>170884541
Dead cards? By the time they kill me most dshift decks have drawn more than half of their deck, somehow I doubt the "win the game" cards in their hand are hurting them that badly.

I didn't know that my entire hand wasn't enough, sorry.

Levi can kill any follower you play up to turn 7, and it's not uncommon for him to kill 2 at once, while also spellboosting their hand, for 3pp. After turn 7 you're probably dead.

Levi, piercing rune, fiery embrace, wind blast, and other such cards can easily deal with any boards you put together during the early stages of the game. Most of it being single target removal is irrelevant.

Wards don't keep you alive for shit unless you somehow managed to expend all of their evolution points and they don't have any fiery embraces or wind blasts.
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>>170884623
Could you get any saltier?
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>>170884742
That's your fault. Seraph is annoying like dshift.
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>>170884867
Don't bother replying to him.
I have a suspicion anyone who unironically mentions wards in any way when discussing fighting Dshift simply has never played against the deck at full power in terms of build and opponent decision making.
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>>170884519
She was pretty good tech when Daria was everywhere. Removing Ogler from the board, killing off another follower, and resetting the Ogler's spellboosts was a strong play.
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>>170885027
Anyone defending dshift never plays wards at all because they hate interaction and only play dshift.
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>Play against Aggro Sword
>Die on Turn 5 without being able to counter it at all.

Nerf Aggro decks
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>>170871223
What game is this
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