/gerg/ - Giant Extreme Robots General

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good!

>>170771881
Which one is better to join the Discord or Mumble? Which has less fags and which has more robutts drops?

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>>170772164
Mumble has more of both. It's up for you to decide what your own personal limits are

>>170772164
Discord doesn't play MWO. That's why the split happened in the first place.

>>170771881
Never skip leg day fellow mechwarriors.

#KONGisKING

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Apparently MWO has an economy now that is dictating design decisions? Is that the invisible 5th pillar that hasn't been mentioned for the past five years?

>>170778654
No it's more of a "We don't wanna give away free money but want you to spend real money" situation.

Is mumble down?

>>170780252
They're playing D&D in there right now.

>>170771881
So, is the FedCom Civil War about to happen?

>>170778654
Couldn't they look at the amount of XP each player mech has and give the owner cash based on that totaled amount? It doesn't have to be 1:1 so that people still have an incentive to keep playing and re-earning back enough money for all the mechs that (they don't) play.

Quad mechs when?

>>170786163
When the Lao Hu is getting released

>>170784203
they'd have to put cw and fw on hold to make it davion vs steiner and most of the playerbase is clamtards so they'd not even be able to participate, let alone the WHOLE IS playerbase because of all the kuritans fags and cappelans etc.

if only they just quirked the shit out of IS shitmechs, then IS vs clans would be viable

like who seriously uses the dragon

imagine if piggy ever actually got switchable ammo right?

>lbx's using either heap (pinpoint dmg) or cluster ammo (spread)

instead of spread (ac) and lolwatdafugamiebindoin.jpg 'shotgun' (lbx) now

>mml's shooting either 700-800m ish arcing indirect bombardment missiles, or direct fire 400-500m streak like lock ons.

>atm's having an indirect long range low dmg mode that can be switched to reduced range high dmg direct fire mode

>>170787483
imagine what? older tech being completely obsolete?

>>170792637
that's piggies fault for nerfing lrm's into uselessness. srm's will still do more dmg within their range profile than mml's.

>>170792873
and what about lb10 being a straight upgrade from ac10 in every way?

>>170793053
cluster rounds are suposed to sandpaper blast armour sections on whole components.

ac are supposed to punch neat little holes through the armour and dmg'ing internals.

one lets you devestate mechs , the other is supposed to let you efficiently murder them if your aim is good.

Is Nova the ugliest mech in the game?

>>170793371
*correction*
crack and shatter entire armor panels on components opening the entire component to being blown apart.

>>170793371
now realize that this is a video game, not a ballistics simulation

>>170793708
no

>>170787375
No amount of quirks can save shitboxes like Wolverine or Dragon.
I mean, what would you give to the Quarantine to make it even remotely playable?
Give it +200% AC/5 RoF and +100% ML range and +50 arm armor and it would still be the lowest of shitmechs.

>>170793961
dragon would be decent if it had the proper gun arm that it's supposed to, but PGI are incompetent

>>170793879
yes, piggy would have to code normal ac shot to waste or split their dmg maybe 1/2 to 1/3 of their dmg on the armour and do the rest to internal, but then they'd have to lower the dmg's anyway to account for portions of the shots being devoted to the ballistic tech necessary to pierce armour.

so yeah, never going to happen, because piggy would have to put in an effort.

instead we'll be stuck with LOL SHITGUNZ and ac that act like lbx are supposed to.

>>170794082
there's nothing wrong with how they currently work, both serve a purpose and both are used

>>170794352
except they both work wrong.

lbx are lbx because they are configured to be able to shoot canister rounds as well s normal ac. this is not in the game.

ac are supposed to work similar to MBT main guns. this is ALSO not in the game.

>>170794352
They only LBX that is actually used is the 20 and that's only because of ghost heat on the cuck20.

Double tap was a mistake.

>>170794508
this is a fucking video game try to understand

>>170794538
10 and 20 are used and that's because lbs are used for brawling

>>170794620
>this is a video game

>featuring fictionalised applications of IRL wepons as well as fictional weapons too

>therefore nothing even approaching sci-fi hardness can ever be a part of any design process for such a product and any attempt is obviously NO FUN ALLOWED FUCK YOU GO TO HELL.


Look just because you're a star wars babby and love your handwaved / technobabbled bullshit doesn't mean that there are not any people on the planet that like the stompy robitts for their stompyness

>>170794782
jesus fucking christ you are dense

>>170794620
more importantly your entire "arguement" against making ac's of all flavours easily work as intended using simple methods to make BOTH viable has been

"A BLU BLU ALL WORKING AS INTENDED EVERYTHING IS FINE MOVE ALONG NOTHING TO SEE HERE

IT'S JUST A VIDEO GAME, GOD!

REEEE REEALISM IN MY GAME! NEVER!"


none of which constitutes an actual arguement.

>>170794871
You have no concept of what good design is.

>>170794916
>>170794837


>easy fixes to make ac work properly


>no fuck you i want my useless lbx's and my ac that works like an lbx is supposed to instead FUG YU

yea, you know what, maybe you need to stop sucking the piggy cock and paying them for the priviledge and go fuck yourself in the ass with a cactus.

also, once again, you fail to counter ANY of the points made.

>oh that's right, because you can't, because you have no arguement other than REEE MUH FEELINGS

>>170795053
They already work properly you dsnse motherfucking retard. AC is your normal slug cannon, boom, damage, simple. LBX is your shotgun.

This is not a difficult concept you sperging autistic fuck.

Why is the Scorch so strong?

>>170795189
premium hardpoints on a premium chassis

to make it the best mech in the game it would need one energy in each side torso

>>170795158
>this is not a difficult concept you sperging autistic fuck.


it seems to be since you obviously do not comprehend what an AUTOCANNON even is.

>boom damage simple

Not even in WWI was that even remoetely ture of even artillery ad ship based cannon let alone the autocannon.

HE / AP shells have been a thing since for fucking ever. and ever since the cold war we've had HEAP and then a little later we got APDS too.

and once again, a cluster round is NOT a fucking shotgun shell

http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/13425/14158044_1.jpg?v=8CF7F63326810E0

pic related the inside of an old as fuck canister shot, note the metal plating on both ends of the shell to keep the round intact until impact with a target

http://www.gunnersden.com/00001-shotgun-shell.jpg

pic also fucking related. a shotgun shell, note the paper / plastic lid merely there to keep the shell's contents inside the shell until firing.


In conclusion, GTFO you fucking moron. you are the only one here being a sperg.

>REEE REALITY IS WHAT I SAY IT IS REEE REE REE THINGS HAVE TO WORK HOW I SAY REE REE

be a bigger fuckwit, gaddam.

>>170795784
Oh my dear lord you can't possibly be this dense.

less than 5 seconds in google BTFO's your insane
>REEE BOOM DAMAGE SIMPLE

idiocy.

as soon as armour in the 'modern' sense awas invented, armies and nations had to develop a way to defeat that armour.

>>170795856
You do know that the BattleTech universe is a made up fantasy, right? None of this actually exists.

>>170795841

>my so-called arguement has been completely overturned and shown to be both idiotic and having no basis in anything at all apart from my own wishful thinking

>i better call the guy who showed how much of a dumbass i was being stupid, otherwise i'll have to admit to being wrong!

yep, your lack of an arguement that posited that your subjective feelings were hard fact overriding reality sure showed me!

>>170795909
>autocannons don't exist
>he, ap , etc don't exist
>canister doesn't exist

sure thing friendo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8HDCm_Ngoc

these don't exist apparently.

>>170796068
>>170796226
Because what people loved about the MechWarrior games was their realism.

I can't explain this to you any clearer than I already have, so I'm going to stop and go play some video games. I hope you calm down so you can think more clearly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qy8tOn5itw

this is also a figment of everyone's imagination

>>170796330
yes, people Liked the stompy robitts formula because it lies on the realism side of scifi, whereas fans of mecha games love the rediculous superpower unreal ninja robots with their 5 trillion missile swarms and beam cannon death star lazors.

a fan of stompy robits likes the slant towards realism.

and once again, you decide YOUR personal FEELINGS decide reality for EVERYONE on the planet.

The primary problem with balancing the value of quirks isn't that PGI doesn't know how much to give to certain weak mechs, but that quirks affect all weapons on a mech.

If weapon quirks were actually attached to individual hardpoints instead of mechs, it could be possible to jam heavy quirks into singular slots and make those weapons powerful. In an example case, they could give a mech with multiple ballistic slots an extra strong 1st slot while the rest are MG filler slots that don't have the same power. Or a variant with 2B slots could have the quirks spread out evenly between the two to encourage another kind of build.

It would put more control in their hands over which mechs get to boat and how much, and making mixed loadout mechs exactly as viable as the former.

Of course size restrictions on hardpoints would help too.

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pls stop fighting ;____;

>>170796846
it's not fighting. it's one guy going
>hurp durp muh feelings

to which is responded
>that is dumb, and this is why

blame the retard for keeping his reee-ing on full blast

>>170796650
that could work, although many autocannon mechs suffer from their arm slot or side torso slot for a ballistic weapon having exactly one space too few to mount an ac 20.

heck, they could even expand your system so mechs known to mount a small boat of lasers in the torso get quirked to reward building it that way ( timber doggo known for having 3-4 mediums in the torsos, catapult, etc.)

or paired weaponry in the arms. the rifleman could be quirked to reward having the paired ac arms and laser arms. (instead of one or the other)
your system means they could make mixed HP mechs that don't boat viable.

>this is why it will never happen because piggy hates us all.

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Anything out of FROM about new AC games yet?

Guys will we get the Lao Hu soon?

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adder-chan is so fun :3

>>170800767
ewww , lrms on a light. a clan light.

man cssrm6's, or csrm6's clan lurms are crap, they shoot piss streams

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ihmt

>>170796330
The problem both of you idiots don't realize is that piggy's weapons don't work like the SOURCE MATERIAL dictates they should, nothing to do with realism.
Smaller lasers should have longer beam durations than bigger ones because boating multiple small weapons vs a big weapon should be spreading the damage, bigger cuck cannons shouldn't spread more damage than the smaller ones, srms shouldn't have as tight spreads as they have now, lrms are completely fucked up, clan lrms are even more fucked up, streaks aren't supposed to be a dedicated anti-light weapon, etc.

>>170801421
He's alive and you're don't.
Maybe you should get good.

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>>170802215
>you're don't.

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>>170802215
>you're don't

lurm 40 on a assault

as7-s or as7-d-dc?

>>170801421
what do you even DO with a fucking king crab 0000 ???


http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=239&l=bed57d80b809c6485ce2f5ed9ae672d8ad7ec9f9

>>170802862
ddc everytime.
never underestimate the power of ecm Vs. potato lemming retards.

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>tfw an Onion IIC with LB20 and 4 ARSM6 turns around the corner and im in a Puma

;_____________;

>puma

Adder

>>170803470
IS reporting name of Puma you trash born shit-bag.

dunno how you're gonna put any more ammo on without putting in some place explodeable

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=17&l=c030e5ea277a0b8bab894dd81924e2b35b97a26c


ddc fatlus

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>>170803282
this mabbe?

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=239&l=4aacdffc221b0e2042c8ba50d1f55cec8c30b7b3

dunno

>>170803609
what do you expect? born in a vat of goo with flash imprint propaganda a instead of natural born having to sweat and learn things. they can't help being derp.

>>170803646
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=17&l=12956fa9aecfce10a09350298d63fd1df3497c42

You've already put it in places that are explode-able, so it really doesn't matter. Remember that ammo is not a 100% guaranteed explosion when destroyed, and ammo placed with the weapon it goes to is prioritized first.
It's OK to stick a few rounds of AC/10 with the gun, and a ton or two of srms with the launcher.
If you want, you can downgrade to SRM4s, shave some leg armor, and bump the engine back up.

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>>170802862

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=17&l=40272c3e5edf859ecfcb1557b7f535a298a6fa9d

>twin LPL to fight at range and open armor
>LB10 to brawl and farm components
>streaks to rape the pesky lights and mediums

you wont even need a team with you
you are ready for every encounter

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BEHOLD!

i managed to make scorch senpai a little less ugly
i will keep experimenting with colors see if i can improve it further

>>170803932
what i meant was, putting it in the legs is relatively fine because if people focus them you're fucked anyway. if you lose the ct armour you're fucked anyway due to engine kill, and if you lose the head, well you're a dead un'.

and you need artemis on 6's to make their grouping splat onto specific components

>>170804229
>you need artemis on 6's
Debatable.
Use 4's then, smaller spread, better cool-down.

>>170804181
if you're going to buy paints and shit just buy a decent camo ( you can get one-offs for that specific mech) and make it urban / alpine / forest camo or something

>finally get a canyon match on my browns desert / rock camo'd mech

>laugh because despite target locks etc no potato can hit me even 1 /10 times

>>170804343
yeah, 4's will let you vomit much faster due to their RoF. and tight enough they don't need arty.

>not just Atlas S with ac20 4asrm6 for maximum power

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>>170804361
i like the faction camos for IS mechs but the clam camos are really REALLY bad imho
Lacerator Cinder and Warrant have some very nice patterns that can be improved with colors but the scorch pattern is just plain bad

>>170804445
Mhmm.
That would be my suggestion to others, and then for myself completely ignore my own advice and run something retarded like:
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=17&l=9870f2ec43241bb838911a1b7930b3f3aedcc80c
because reasons

>>170803932
>ammo placed with the weapon it goes to is prioritized first.
No?

It goes from center out to the limbs. The reason why you'd place some ammo along with the gun is because the weapon itself becomes the crit padding for the ammo.

>>170805316
4s with arty a best, tight enough to hit a single component out to maximum range

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i...uhhmmm..what the fuck?

>>170806440
lean back

Wow being this new

Next time you will post a dead mech breakdancing?

>>170806440
>shiptoast senpai blocks out their name because they don't love you enough to reveal who they are to you

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>>170806521
no i dont want you to look them up and tell me im playing with and against scrubs ;___;

>>170806440
>names censored
to what end

>>170806594
the game has no matchmaking system
literally no matchmaking system
everybody from the bottom of tier 5 get matched up with the top of tier 1

the devs themselves have confirmed this
that's why you see so many retards in your games

>>170806594
>Lurm Adder
No you are the Scrub

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>>170806696
hey you take that back i pulled 400 to 600 dmg all afternoon in my Adder-chan

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here's some camo's i made for my mechs cos i loves them so.

>>170807094
Fuck off.

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also i finally got bored enough to do a rough derp of what the side torso's seem to be on the zeus, which makes it XL friendly. (and survive longer with an xl and twisting than trying to twist with an std)

>>170807154
wow! such insightful commentary, truly wisdom for the ages!

considering i wasn't talking to you, but shiptoast and

>>170807320
Fuck off all the same.

>>170807320
>tfw sperging out so hard you cut off your own sentences

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wat to do with last ton?

>>170807418
>stacking flamers
you use one or none
also why do you think you need 18 heatsinks

>>170807357
lel, how about NO.

>RAEG-ing because some anon individualised his mechs with camouflage paintjobs that aren't totally insane bright neon glaring colours with fuckheug dickandballs decals and shit plastered all over them

>>170807094
>sperg-chan is not only unimaginative but a FS fag
kek

>>170807367
i think you're the one sperging out so hard due to raeg, maybe you should fuck off? i mean, being vehemently hostile to everyone NOT a flaming kongcock sucker seems to be the move of someone who should just not be here.

>>170807789
You clearly don't like it here and nobody here likes you, please go back to whatever hugbox you came from. It's a win-win situation for all of us.

>>170807418
apart from the flamers instead or CERML, you've got the wrong side torso's. mwo penalises you for using the missile torso's that have jj's by giving you a BIG negative quirk to your torso turn and pitch ( which is bad for a brawler) you want the wodden doggo -D side torso's

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>>170807516
i think im gonna just stick to this..it seemed to work really good..
altho i really liked the quad bunny ears on the Mad Kitty

>>170807969
I'd drop the 6th medium laser in the right torso for another ton of ammo but whatever works for you.

>>170807969

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=481&l=a49961374d54a9c01d8140dcb97e9388f5118718

cermls and srm's

>>170807919

>i have to autistically sperg out and raeg mode and viciously attack anyone having FUN or actually DISCUSSING anything in the general every time, all the time.
>that means YOU should leave.

noooo... that means you're a childish fuckwit and we should all just ignore YOU.

>>170807721
>retard paintjobs are somehow more 'imaginative' than anything else.

>>170808358
Funny how much you contradict yourself in the same post. Autistic, unimaginative, hypocritical with anger issues and worst of all, a Davion.

Full package sperglord.

Man I wish we had the Lao Hu ingame

>>170808594
retard posts
>rargle blargle ree ree MUH FEELINGS
respond with
actually you're wrong because of X
retards spergs harder
>nuh uh! fuck you ! die !
yes, calling people out on their Bullshit is OBVIOUSLY sperging. and not calling them on their BS at all.

gee you sure showed me.

>>170809182
why, i just got vong's again in mc2 and it's not exactly any good.

Men Shen on the other hand...

>55t w/ ecm , adv. sensor.

>can still carry decent weapons set

>>170809202
Don't forget to breathe my man.

So I'm thinking about picking up armored core verdict day on xbox 360 for the multiplayer. Are the servers still active?

>>170809202
Again being a hypocrite.
Be careful with that blood pressure buddy.

>>170809607
Lao Hu was here
Men Shen is a loser

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>when you unironically vote crimson domination because it's the least bad option

>>170810219
>when you unironically vote for polar highlands because the game type choices are domination and escort, and domination will win, and you must prevent aids plexus domination

>tfw LRMs will never be good again in MWO
I just want to run my mixed builds.

>>170810417
>tfw LRMs will never be good again in MWO

Skill tree is going to make them obnoxious, though.

Since most people will be specializing fully into survival + weapons and some in mobility, and mech ops, they get left with very little in info war for radar dep.

Takes 8 points to get 40% radar dep, 11 to get 60%. That will still leave you with 1.4 seconds at least of target decay time.

Takes 7 points to get +2.1 seconds target decay. So now any LRM boat, unless their target spent that 25+ points in info war skill tree, is going to have at LEAST 3 seconds of extra targeting time when their target breaks line of sight.

Add on the missile trees free extra ammo, crit damage and spread reduction, and LRMs will be seriously fucking obnoxious.

>>170810796
Obnoxious and still shit because they do fuckall for damage unless you're an assault boating them.

>>170810796
hang on? new skill tree is going to give you the ammo inside the launchers instead of only counting your mounted reloads?

>>170810796
They'll still be dogshit. There are so many maps and so many of usual hotspots on those maps where it's easy to be covered against LRMs. They'll spread damage like crazy, the firing arcs will still clip into ceilings in places like crimson strand and hpg basement, the velocity is slow as fuck,etc.

>>170810796
Radar Derp should be removed from the game entirely. There's no reason for it to exist and there would be nothing to complain about that particular tree if it were gone.

>>170812825
What about seismic?

Hello?

>>170811225
The missile rack skills were what I was referring to. +36 missiles per ton of LRM ammo means at 5 tons of ammo you get 1 extra ton of ammo for free.

>>170811270
And then again on maps like Frozen City, Polar Highlands, Canyon etc. with lots of open spaces and little overhead cover they'll be utterly broken against non-radar dep targets.

Artemis + missile spread reductions providing a 73.5% reduction in missile spread for LRM boats means those nasty ass 10's and 15's are going to be pounding on torso sections something fierce.

>>170812825
>No radar derp in info war tree
>Target decay still there
>LRM boats could get an extra 7 seconds of targeting time on whoever they've locked onto and there would be next to nothing the victims could do about the guy sitting 800 meters away except to try and out DPS the LRM boat

There would be PLENTY of complaints. Don't delude yourself.

>>170815352
>Frozen City
>Canyon
>getting hit by LRMs
???
Polar is the only map in the game where LRMs are viable.

>>170815619
Unless fights are happening directly in the two dense city portions of Frozen City, there's actually little effective overhead cover on there.

As for canyon, only the large rock formations really offer cover from LRMs, which are few and far between for more than one or two mechs to take cover behind and trade fire with LRM boats.

>>170817056
Any time a fight in Frozen City involves the center area that has bad cover, one team is going to be fucking retarded and lose the match without any meaningful input from lurms.

Great another day where every game is fucking nigger aids dogshit for faggots and every fucking vote is choosing the smallest and least spikiest dildo the niggy piggy will shove up your fucking ass along with 23 degenerate subhuman trashcan scum

>>170818983
Sounds like someone got Teratherma.

>>170812959
Everything that isn't Radar Deprivation would remain, probably with some node count rebalancing and shuffling.

>>170815352
RD is the most sought after power in the entire game because of its universally useful effects. EffectS because it doesn't just shorten the linger time for lock ons but also activates that warning light and beep function.

I don't mind if they change and shorten the normal linger time, just get rid of this one critical thing which is not considered an option by most players. Merge it partially into normal function and don't include the full package. And make that damn target warning light not hidden behind an option part with no indication that it is there, silly PIG.

>2017
>still complaining about LRMs

Why is it so impossible to find a working torrent for vanilla MW4 Mercs?

>GoG for MW never

>>170819463

Because Microsoft, like GW and EA, are very good at removing sources of things they deem to no longer be in print or circulation.

>>170819463
Nevermind there was one on pb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viccAo7XGBI

>>170807218

Rotate it to a forward to side angle.

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>>170804563

The clan camos weren't part of PGI's so called 'universal upgrade,' so half of them look like fucking balls, and/or aren't actually high res. Get woodland. Best camo forever.

>>170820502
Woodland is very hit and miss depending on chassis to be honest. I much prefer Digital because it looks more or less the same on every mech.

>>170820654
This is largely because Lauren has a different way of doing the pattern than the guy that worked at PGI before her.
Woodland wasn't one of the camos re-done for old mechs, so by now I think half the mechs were given woodland by some other dude, and the other half by Lauren.
The most notable difference is that the older mechs all have a 4th color channel on Woodland that's just Camo-Black, whereas Lauren makes the 4th color channel a gradient of whatever the 3rd is.

Since when did the 2016 loyalty mechs get put up on the gift store page?

Need to know since it'll mean 60-90 days until we can all get good summoners.

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>>170820972
Change of staff would explain all the inconsistencies with the game, especially when it comes to the mech paint schemes. Speaking of which I must say I don't like the way they are currently doing the Tiger pattern, I much prefer how it looks on mechs like the Nova.

Also, Sherman looks pure sex on the Resistance mechs, but not so much on most other mechs. On earlier chassis it had very little tertiary detail, while on newer mech it has way too much tertiary detail.

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>outreacharound revolts against the pig and the skill tree meme.
>head mod changes their sub to be a Robot Jox sub.

I thought they made that place because they loved the pig cock and feeding pigs, and that the keys were never, ever supposed to be used to do any kind of statement.

So now the PGI 'community' page links to a Robot Jox ribbit. ggclose, PGI. Even without Niko and Bryan leading the charge, Russ has shown that he's perfectly capable of kickstarting garbage bin fires when the mood strikes.

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>>170821732
This Guy

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>>170821732

>>170821416

The current camo artist has instructions to make it cartoony and stupid, and only gets to be creative when Dennis says so. The old one was guy they handpicked from the community specifically because of his lust for camos through the ages, and he operated pretty much independently.

>>170821732
What's even funnier are the people DEFENDING the cuckold that insults them yet demands increasing amounts of money for sub-par products. Sorry, I mean, "minimally viable" products. :^)

These fucking spineless "muh overlords can do no wrong" types are even going so far as to say that all the hundreds of dollars they've wasted were "out of generosity to support the dev and an investment into MWO's future." Then those same people berate others that demand to be compensated for products they paid for.

This skill tree shit is actually driving off hardcore whales. That's fucking amazing.

>>170822056

because its finally hurting them, the hardcore whales have stables of hundreds of mechs. And not even half of them are going to be mastered while they are currently mastered.

>>170822056
It's not driving off anyone, just a knee jerk reaction. The whales who have spent hundreds on this game certainly didn't do it because of its high quality.

>>170821416
He... watching Lauren do the Sherman pattern is probably the most entertaining, since one time on a stream she admitted that she was just re-using stencil assets that the artist before her made, but she has more creative freedom with them, and no real basis of what he was doing to follow.
She also admitted that she has no idea what some of the old stencils even are since the guy left and no one told her. In particular one depicting tiny Atlas skull head shots that are supposed to be kill count hash-marks on the mechs armor; like what pilots and tank crews used to do for every kill. So she just adds them on wherever, and however many she wants till she's satisfied.

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>>170822056

Was there ever any doubt? They've been grinding under the same ruleset for almost 5 years, but now suddenly Russ has a GREAT IDEA, and as always when Russ has GREAT IDEAS, people instantly vote with their wallets and chargeback emails.

Since he seems intent on going through with this bullshit the exact same way he went through with the macromap, people are already retiring. It helps that MWOWC was a disaster, and there's been fuckall real progress on the game in 2017.

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Nice

>>170822573
>bringing a heavy mech just for 5 medium pulse
Kakos "muh team" Kolos

>>170822647

>5

>>170822857
might as well be with how low the 6th one is :^)

Can someone give me a brief on why the fuck people are breaking out the torch and pitchforks over this?

>>170785060
that doesnt make you spend real money

>>170822573
>Kako "worse than kaelus" Kolos post
Nice build faggot.

>>170823213
Because your previously mastered mech won't automatically become mastered in the new system.

>>170794082
I agree, pgi would rather make new weapons than balance their old ones. Thier logic is to add more stuff instead of spending time to fix whats already there, if only they listened to the pro scene and players who have 2k hours in their game, but they dont.

>>170823514
>if only they listened to the "pro scene"
What have they said exactly?

>>170823323
>>170822647

Quality shitposting

5/6 medium pulse lasers for the effort

>>170823692
>Kakos "our night gyr has lrms" Kolos

>>170823213
Because they're nigger shitteroid autists and throwing a tantrum because their mechfu is getting nerfed while ignoring that everything else is getting nerfed too, including massive mobility nerfs to clan mechs because of engine decoupling. It's the same shit as "MUH RESCALE"

>>170822396
It actually IS turning whales off. At the very least, those whales are stopping purchasing any new mech packs (why buy new shit when you're going to be grinding all the shit you now own for the next year or two?)

Many of those who are quitting are the types who mainly spent their money on cosmetic shit or more mechbays, with an odd mech pack here or there.

Making WHALES doubt purchases is a critical error that PGI cannot afford, as, and I'm quoting Rusty "the cuck" Bollocks here; "Most of MWOs revenue comes from mech packs."

>>170823692
>Kakos "Holier than thou" Kolos

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>>170823213

PGI is nullifying 5 years of grind and grab deals, resetting progress for everybody. If you have a lot of shit, like Harabec and myself, then you'll get a c-bill 'refund' in the billions of grind bucks, but modules, kwirks, and skills are getting combined into a 91 node sphere grid, that has huge costs associated with it, so even rich motherfuckers won't be able to 'just master' the robot collection, and we're losing the ability to move modules around - thus, all robots that you want to do well in must have the 91 fucking grind nodes on them, or you can get fucked.

Russ thinks this is good. Meanwhile, the big spenders who used to preach infotech and adapting and overcoming are adapting and overcoming by moving to other games.

It's that yearly garbage bin fire. The spark was Russ calling the richest of the whales, who don't grind robots, and don't have full module sets for every robot (2-4 of the essential kits, really), since they use real dollars to buy robots, and real dollars to convert robot XP to GXP...he called these people cheapskates.

He's position changing rapidly. Right after he said it, he decided to position change the 'way too fucking much' for nodes to 'slightly less.'

If this shit goes through, it has the potential to be Russ' personal Transverse moment.

>>170823959
They're not quitting for shit if they are weak minded enough to actually spend that much money on this piece of shit game.

>>170823213
The meta get stronger and the shitmechs get shittier.

Also shows the Devs values and retard thought process that went into designing the skill tree and balance. They claim that balance isnt as simple a an XML file number change when it literally is.

They're also focusing heavily on whales with many mechs and want them to spend more cbills when they hoard. Which in turn drives the whales away.

I

>>170824021
>that has huge costs associated with it, so even rich motherfuckers won't be able to 'just master' the robot collection
They've lowered the costs multiple times already, and respeccing doesn't cost cbills and only fraction of the xp. And those rich motherfuckers with huge robot collections, how many of those mechs they actually play on a regular basis?
The skill tree has problems, but the whales are just dumb as fuck and shitting their diapers over something they've circlejerked and blown way out of proportion, which isn't a surprise since being dumb as fuck is a preresquite for being a whale.

>>170822439
Skinny creature whose only value is that she possesses a vagina and a uterus is uneducated, news at 7.

>>170824021
>nullifying
>resetting progress for everybody
All your modules and spent XP is getting refunded, stop overreacting.
And Harabec is going to laugh at this since he's probably going to get several billions in module refunds alone and the cost of mastering one mech is only 4 million. Along with anyone else who has spent their cbills not on worthless shit like buying Trebuchets every couple of months only to sell them again.

>>170823912
>calls others niggers and autists
>while suckling on the pig dick

wew lad, try taking the dong out and swallowing whatever detritus was left.

If you want to get taken seriously its better not to be gargling on cum when you speak.

>>170824767
>muh rescale
>muh kwerks
>muh xl

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>>170824581

Yeah, but literally the first rule of retail is that once you sell something, don't fuck with it, and any fuckery with shit you sold is at your own peril - double up for shit you sell to heavy users.

It honestly doesn't matter why people are so butthurt at the pig. They're butthurt, and are using the only language that Russ understands, which is money.

So Russ puts the shit in, and finds himself with a much smaller whale population, or Russ eats crow and memoryholes the skill tree like they did infotech and energy draw, thus preserving his whale population, minus the 'early adopters' of skill tree, who already left.

A lot of the really big module collectors in the 'comp' scene are already on hiatus because MWOWC burned them out. They didn't really need a reason to quit MWO, but they're doing it like the whales because it sends a message to Russ "Cuckmaster" Rustler.

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If nothing else, at least the usual suspects are making some moderately funny OC as they tell VISA all those payments were totally fradulent.

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2/3.

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RIP in piss, Rustler's income.

>>170826049
>whales acting like the victims
top fucking kek

>>170825336
See >>170821794

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>>170826478

Russ has essentially committed PR suicide. Sure, Phil threw himself in front of Russ to absorb some of the blame, but it was too late.

Shit like this is why you have a fall gu- community manager. But since he doesn't have one, and is the center of attention, all the shit's on him.

Personally, I'm just gonna lean back and watch this trainwreck evolve. Man, I thought for sure they'd let shit be until MW5.

Mark II when?

>>170827217
This is what will happen
>drama yelling muh cbills I quit!
>more drama yelling muh cbills I mean it!
>skill tree comes out
>it's garbage as everyone has said
>pgi say "we'll fix it"
>somewhere late april things get mostly sorted in the usual pgi fashion
>everything is back to normal with pgi making a fortune from fedcom grab deals

this is like what, the 6th "death" of MWO at this point?

>>170827217
Making a minimally viable game for minimally viable human beings might have not been the best business choice.

>>170827217

If you want to make enemies

try to change something

>>170827717
I forgot to put "sorted" in quotation marks.

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>>170827717
The wheel grinds on.

>>170828045
MWO is a living example of history repeating itself

>>170828182
>living
That's debatable.

>>170828271
not in scientific terms

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>>170827717

There's a difference between making the big spenders enjoy a 90% win ratio for a year, versus calling the big spenders cheap because they used real dollars to buy robots, and swapped modules so they could c-bill engines.

Kinda like how there's a difference between letting MWO just sit there, versus admitting it's sitting there because you're putting all the money into making trannyverse, and this decision will totally not affect future work on MWO.

Also, one must consider the foot in mouth factor. This is the Xth time Russ says something retarded within GMMU (gold man memory unit, literally the maximum length of time old gold men can recall before it gets too fucking hazy), but he said something retarded while he's declaring they're gonna implement a half functional, widely disliked, heavily criticized, barely thought out system in a couple weeks, and no, none of the shit that people want is getting addressed, ever. The foot in mouth factor amplifies this fairly standard fuckup by several orders of magnitude, and outreacharound cucks have invaded the mwo ribbit they originally left to live in the promised land to escape 'the white knights' who are defending the Rustler on outreacharound. Raining cats and dogs, alright.

Also, the whales are the people who grab deal the majority of shit. That's how Russ makes the money. Every whale he chases off is another grab deal that won't happen, and as we learned during trannyverse, the whales are centers of their own networks, and tend to take all their friends with them when they leave.

He's also gonna have to make another of those super funny apology posts for this, regardless of the actual outcome.

So, about energy draw.

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>>170830921

It was a riot. Hey, man, remember infotech and locking on for max damage lasers?

>>170831231
>locking on for max damage lasers?
Was this a thing?

>>170831231
>Phil "the shortstack shill" Lang

God almighty I wish that little pint sized faggot got run over by a moped. He'd leave a smear on the ground, which would be more influental and artistic than anything he's every said or done.

>Ian prettyboy Davion says "We're a little short on Atlases"

REEE

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>>170831676

He was a marine, you know.

>>170831506

Yes. Paul thought it was the best idea since trannyverse. Russ forced him to can it when star lords everywhere started canceling preorders.

Quad and wheeled mechs when?

Also Lao Hu when?

Pretty pony mechs when?

>>170832048
>He was a marine, you know.

Designated regimental fuccboi, apparently.

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>yfw been playing MWO for five years

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>>170832705

Impossible. Friends and family happened in early april, and the special invites weren't actually all ready until very early may.

We have at least a couple more weeks before we come face to face with the fact that we've been here for 5 years, my main man.

>>170832871
A few weeks is middling when compared to a year's span vass. You're just being obtuse.

>the dakka mewler is actually good
My 50kph shitbox can't be this viable!

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>>170832705
NICE meme

>>170834473
>implying it's a meme
konglets have been here since the beginning

>>170828346

In scientific terms its schrodingers cat.

Was it truly alive? Is it truly dead?

>>170834668
Don't you mean Kongers?

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>>170835432

Kongs.

>>170824021
Tell me something honestly for just a moment here then.

Could all this be avoided if Russ had instead said that you would not be reimbursed any spent C-Bills, and instead only refunded XP/GXP, and then made it so that Skill Tree costs no CBills to unlock nodes?

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>>170835936
Kong?

>>170835953
One thing about the current state of the world...you could give someone 10 million dollars and they'd find reasons to bitch, moan and complain about it.

It doesn't matter what happens, people in general have the mindset to complain even if they like it and want it.

>>170836225
https://getkong.org/

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>tfw literal actual war declared on netherlands
rip kakos

your memes will always be remembered fondly

>>170837001
I'd like to know more.

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>>170837001
https://twitter.com/AlevScott/status/840898058309246977/photo/1

Do not worry

Just do not touch my oranges

>>170837218
Roaches are butthurt nobody respects them

>>170835953

No.

The skill tree meme would have had to be an effective, slot-in replacement for the ancient closed beta skills, with the same or lower costs.

Then everything could have been avoided.

Presenting the community with the same shit they had on PTS, but respec and unlocking nodes costs nothing but experience points? Would have maybe worked, but I doubt it. Suddenly Russ decides that a weekend to master a robot isn't DEDICATION enough, so here, have 91 fucking nodes to fuck with.

turkey tried to do some political memes but got called out and stopped. now the netherlands embassy's flag was memed on which historically has been acknowledged as a legal declaration of war

>>170837342
>literally all they had to do was leave in the mobility, armor, and structure quirks, then base everything else off of skill tree
>they fuck it up

WOW, WHO COULD HAVE GUESSED IT WOULD FLOP. I guess programming individual skill trees really is 3hard5they

>>170835953
No. A lot of people would still have been really angry because of negating player time investment.

This whole shitfest COULD have been avoided with 5 simple things.

>1) Simplifying the skill tree to something like 20-30 available points, with 10-15 in each tree.

It's actually boring and somewhat aggravating to try and go through 91 skill node clicks within a shit interface. Bottom line is, trees are bloated to fuck.

>2) No pointless gating in order to make certain nodes more or less valuable.

Buff less valuable nodes so that every available option can be considered. Stuff like hill climb? Instead of 3 nodes for 15%, make it it's own small branch that goes up to 75% with 3 nodes.

>3) Weapon and survivability values kept to a maximum 5-10% difference compared to un-mastered mechs.

As tested on PTS, fresh mechs behave akin to stock mechs in capability while mastered mechs are able to do stuff almost equivalent to current live. Solahma's proposed system also answered the boating problem by allowing you to unlock upgrade points in every weapon system, meaning there is no distinct advantage to 1-weapon boats.

>4) No XP respecialization costs. Only when unlocking nodes you previously didn't have should you incur an XP cost.

A small c-bill cost for "re-jigging" your allocated skill points (fluff it in-game with stupid shit like "mechanics need to rewire your new configuration, and need to be paid for it) would still allow and, combined with solahmas weapon system, even ENCOURAGE trying out different builds and experimenting. Current pig skill tree kills customization in favour of "BUY DUPLICATE MECHS IF YOU WANT DIFFERENT BUILDS, GOYIM"

>5) Skill nodes should have cost nothing but XP.

If players are left with loads of un-spent c-bills, they will start experimenting freely with new builds and buying shit like new mechs, weapons and engines. Especially with new tech being introduced.. They wouldn't just sit on piles upon piles of c-bills forever.

>>170837524
Making the skill tree a tree was a mistake to begin with,
Should've gone with a point-buy system.

>>170837524
>They wouldn't just sit on piles upon piles of c-bills forever.
>not being a true Kong Lord playing only four different mechs with two billion cbills in the bank
kek

>>170837851
kek indeed.

But still, even if you had a large group of people with 2, 4, or even, oy vey, 6 billion c-bills on their account, what does that matter?

They'll still need mech bays, and the pig could just reduce the amount of bays they give a year to 3 or 4. Truly free-to-play players are costing them nothing, but are providing the whales and paying players opponents to fight.

With some clever sales for MC or bays, you could get those veritable israeli banksters to buy cheap MC and cheap mech bays, eventually putting some money into the game.

It's win-win for all parties involved. Whales keep spending, free-to-players keep playing, pig keeps feeding itself in the pig trough.

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>>170837767

>he doesn't random roll everything.

Look at this fucking casual.

>>170823673
theres tons and tons of forum posts of players who have 1k+ hours in the game, just pick one. they all have tons of ideas on how to fix weapon balance, yet they are ignored or deleted.

https://mwomercs.com/forums/topic/243897-angry-balance-rant-from-snazzy-dragon/

>>170837342
>Presenting the community with the same shit they had on PTS, but respec and unlocking nodes costs nothing but experience points?
>but respec and unlocking nodes costs nothing but experience points?
Isn't this EXACTLY what was on the latest PTS and what they're planning to put in the game? Didn't they change it so removing a node costs nothing and repicking an already bought but removed node costs 400xp or some shit.

>>170828045
http://www.dyadicparagon.com/paragonpress/2014/9/19/the-pgi-shuffle

they have been like this forever and have no signs of changing.

>>170839464
>they all have tons of ideas on how to fix weapon balance
>post an example that is nothing but crying about muh op clan xl
Truely the golds are bursting with ideas. What's next, someone comes up with the radical balancing idea of undoing the rescale because it made their favourite pocket-sized assault mech too big and actually damageable by enemy fire?

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be careful who you call fugly in middle school

>>170840285
its literally one example of many posts, but that clearly is beyond you, angry ass mother fucker. sorry i didnt choose the right one for you, was tryin to help out a little so you wouldnt have to find a forum yourself, but apparently you are just angry to be angry.

>>170840827
>kit is actually a chimp

WHO COULD HAVE GUESSED

hello?

>>170843892
Is it me you're looking for?

>>170844110
hello is this konger?

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how is this shitty Griffin?

I designed it with a tactic in mind. Basically, present your left side to the enemy as a sort of "shield"(since it has the most armor) and let that area soak up damage, will you wait for your chance to ravage the target with lasers and a fuckton of rockets.

Also, an AMS for added security.

The only flaw is that the majority of its heatsinks are in the shield. But I figure that if your at the point where the heatsinks have been blown, you're already fugged.

Also, post your own loadouts that you may or may not want to try.

>>170847650
LRM Shitbuild/10

>>170847650
maximum why

>>170847650
you are not real

I saw a Legendary Atlas with 2 LRM20s and AMS

>>170847650
If you're going to put LRMs on it, forget the med pulse and put more LRMs on it or take the LRMs off.

>>170848450
The med Pulses are there incase some one gets too close.

The main idea is to walk in a circle blasting them with rockets while only providing them the left arm left torso.

>>170848013
because i can

>>170848057
I think, therefor i am.

>>170848864
then take srms and an engine that doesn't make you slower than a dire wolf

>>170848864
>The med Pulses are there incase some one gets too close.
You're LRMing, other mechs are going to get close, mechs that move faster than you can turn to point your MPLs at them, then you go boom.

>>170847650
Not shit:
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=126&l=f80a773c09d19302e7d4f22ca413d4dce060c6ff

Shit but probably loads of fun and superior qwuirex:
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=128&l=820fea36f4145a3a38e3d5ae9f02eaf3c7bfc351

Hows kong? I havent been around in over a year something.

>>170850703
kong, kong never changes

>>170851670
Is whispers still unironically spurdoing?

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=164&l=604fce80081cf3de9de8d54be25c43584a415fbb

WOODEN DOGGO's

how do i build them with srm's and lasers for brawling?

cerspl's are facehug only, cermpl's are way too hot...

x4 srm6's leaves no room for enough ammo

I am vexed by Sexy robots being not built out perfectly.

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=164&l=0b8e7e35b6bdb666838a0df2d87bf501a7c2d001

only onee tonne per launcher is far too few rounds.

why must the doggo torment me?

why must piggy be so retarded they can't fit 12 missiles into a single 20 hole hardpoint?

>>170853749
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=164&l=733d9ff1963f3ceb667f2e10a2537975a3d943ce

>inb4 leg armor

no one fucking aims for that shit

>>170854414
I just want the Pirahna mech for it's 12 BRRRRRRTing of justice.

>>170829395
But Russ is getting those BT royalty bux, he don't need this stinkin game or its cheapskate playerbase any mo.

Should I get PPC range/cooldown from the pilot skills? I really like PPCs.

>>170859343
Nah, just horde your GXP for the patch on the 21st.

>>170859576
I've been out of the game for a few months. Is that the skill tree overhaul they mentioned awhile back?