/ng/ - Nioh General

What kind of +water rating should I be looking for in an atagi sadamune? Mine at max familiarity is +14, I'm assuming that's shit.

First for Daiba-Washi is best spirit

>>170703168
So what new spirits do you guys think we will get in the dlc?

Personally I am hoping for Nekomata

>tfw I can't decide with omnyo mystic art to take

Buffs lasting 50% long is super useful but it's great being able to instantly buff in the middle of a fight.

If I'm going for the beat all missions trophy, do I need to do the twilight missions on both difficulties? How exactly does that work? Been beating them on both difficulties just to be safe.

Why are so many of the guardian spirits not really good? Seems very unbalanced

>>170703710
>tfw beat Two Kings on Way of the Strong without stacking Final Damage and Attack from Behind stats
>no knockdown skill from any Guardian Spirit
>took only two tries today

It's not a big accomplishment but I'm damn proud. That was a true jinjou ni shobu

>>170703802

Didn't mean to quote

>>170703802
Shut up nerd.

>>170703230
Since Atagi Sadmune doesn't have a fixed elemental value set, the elemental value can be 「9 - 17」(+5 with max familiarity).
Rolling +17 is extremely hard, so I recommend trying for +16 instead, which will give you a whooping +21 Water with max familiarity.

>>170703256
I'm hoping for a fox spirit which we'll most likely get

>>170703421
No, only NG. All main, side and twilight missions needs to be done in under to unluck the trophy.

>>170703710
I actually think the guardian spirits are well balanced, but situational.
It kinda depends on what you want out of your spirit. Some grants good stats, and not so good actives, while others do the opposite. Then there's Suzaku and Saoirse.

>>170704020
Jesus the typos are off the charts, but you get what I mean.

>>170704020
Mitsuanri Ishida's guardian spirit is a fox though

>>170703256
Didnt Nekomata become Byakko/an avatar of Byakko? Nevertheless it would be nice to complete the four symbols and get Byakko and Seiryu(probably Date's guardian spirit).

>>170704020
Izuna is a fox spirit

>>170704061
>>170704110
Oh true, I forgot.
I just remember it as a dragon, since it flies, but you're right.

>>170704169
Honest mistake tbqh. I thought it was a dragon too until I read its description. Really hopeful for mothgirl and an actual dragon guardian spirit from the dlc though.

>>170703802
i beat ng+ another shore first try
no living weapon, kingo memes or sloth

don't see this in the op, but it should probably be there

reforge lists; https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16ATVIr-dSH-n10925y_KLLihv1ucjmYXSSSEg_WqmnU/edit#gid=0

>>170704257
>actual dragon guardian spirit
Please don't bully Mizuchi it tries its best. Also I think one of the cutscene descriptions actually named the mothgirl

>>170704347
Change to Attack Spirit can be gotten from random Reforge. I got one for my Aka oni spear a while back.

>>170703256
I want Uroboros, but that's probably not gonna happen

>>170704648
yeah, pretty sure i had too
didn't want to change it because it's not my doc

>>170704347
Make note of this post. That information was really handy.

What does "Break" even mean? I thought it was Ki Damage, but you actually get that stat on weaps.

>>170703256
monkey/ chicken/ sloth/ lizard/ croc

>>170704812
>Sloth Guardian spirit
>Improves the spell's effectiveness and duration by 30%

>>170704812
>Monkey Guardian spirit
>Big baddie revives Hideyoshi Toyotomi
>you get the guardian spirit from him
>first thing he does is look for Ginchiyo

Man, being Shiggy must be suffering

>>170704812
>sloth
>It slows EVERYONE down
>Including you

>>170705019
I mean, Shiggy did have concubines that actually bore children for him.

>>170704347
looks like literally every weapon will be rolling for the same 5 out of 6 things

familiarity/ CC damage
cta
element
final blow
CC ki reduction

then you just choose whatever suits for the final slot out of guard ki reduction/ increased ki damage or hp recovery (which is basically nothing at max level because it isn't % wise)

not sure what break/ parry do so they might be better but idk

>>170704918
>gives aoe sloth effect in LW mode

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>"blinding shells are trash"

- /ng/

>>170704347
A lot of these numbers are wrong though.

>>170706108
care to be specific?

>>170706139
Some are:
>Elemental value can go up to +22
>Close Combat Life Drain can be over 20 (I myself have +23)
>Close Combat Life Recovery can be over 200

>>170706323
are you talking about stats at max familiarity?

>>170706357
Yes

>>170706406
as you increase familiarly the stats change

>>170706661
As in kys reddit cuck

>160 hours in
>only just realized there's a bonus mission you unlock from clearing the dual sword mystic arte mission
>it unlocks a gesture and the recipe for saisetsu sake
>sake takes 3 fucken kappa shells
Well at least now i have something to spend my glory on.

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>>170707376
as in, you were being a fucking dumbass trying to compare max familiarly stats to a base familiarly chart
and now you're trying to save face by shitposting

>>170707608
>he doesnt know

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>>170707642
>tfw to intellectually advanced too truly know anything

>>170707640
What in the actual fuck are you talking about? Are all ledditcucks this fucking dense?
The max value on for example elemental damage isn't fucking +21, its +22.
Just fuck off with your retarded graph full of mistakes

>>170707642
You talking about the 2 sake reward for clearing it again?

axe users, wat do you prefer? spin2win or ki drain combo/lumber chop?

>>170706661
>>170707640
Try reading the chart properly next time

Any tips for honda and tachibanana?

>>170709109
Do you want some cheese or just tips?

>>170708013
The max for a 150 is 21. Has to be 160 for 22.

>>170709146

Either will do, ive been trying for an hour now

>>170709109
did you try not being shit?

>>170708945
Only used spin but it fucking shreds endgame and ng+

Not good for humans though

>>170709109
Keep honda and range and guardbreak shiggy

>>170709253
thats what you use rumbling earth/lumber chop for.

>>170708013
>retarded graph full of mistakes

>gives one example
>it's wrong anyway
This fucking guy lmao

>>170709210
Headshot Shiggy (or Honda, but he has more HP so it's not as effective) before initiating the fight, he will fall over for a free final blow
Try to kill Shiggy ASAP, keep Honda at range, he has a nerfed AI and won't be as aggressive as in the other fights
Use Daiba-Washi and spam the shit out of the spirit talismans, they actually make every single human enemy in the game a complete joke

>>170705989
ng told me blinding shells don't work on bosses

>>170709338
I like high stance heaven and earth

>>170709109
Focus Tachibana first, try to lure him away from Honda as Honda walks slow. Keep an eye on Honda or listen for his yells when he throws rocks. Pop spirit stones to be able to use living weapon at start. Sloth talismans make it much easier.

What a good weapon to use with a spear? I wanna try Kusa but I have been told that it would cause me to spread my stats thin

>>170709541
Axe or 1kat

>>170709541
those people are wrong, just use kusa.

There's no Tatenashi smithing text even though it has a set bonus?

Fuck me, it looks damn good too.

>>170709865
There isn't. Just farm revenants at Isle of Demons, there are bound to be some 750 with Tatenashi

>>170709854
What kind of stat distribution should I have?

What armor learns shorten recovery time (out of ki)?

>>170709865
Just refashion to it, set bonus is shit anyway.

>>170710485
>tatenashi
>shit
it literally makes you unkillable if you combine it with other sets and genbu.

>>170710215
I've seen it on boots mainly

>>170710215
Helms, boots, pants

>>170710570
>anything that doesn't make you a dps monster
>good
what are you doing, actually getting hit or something?

What level are most of you guys? Im 115 and i want to use spears, 2kat and 1kat. Is this possible? Have 50 body and im thinking of pumping more into skill (14) and heart (21). Should i just use the book and reset my stats instead?

>>170712898
>Is this possible
Yes, but you will be much weaker than if you just specced fully into the main stat of your favorite weapon.

>Should i just use the book and reset my stats instead?
Sure.

>>170713315

Im not sure what i prefer, 1kat or 2kat yet.
Is there a minimum of each stat i should be running? On ng+ and i still dont understand this levelling system as well as the souls games

>>170712898

Just focus on 2 weapons, preferably that share stat scaling, as far as stats go. If you really want to switch between a third get something with CtA(highest stat). It'll be useable but not as good as your main weapons.

>>170713315
"Much weaker" is an overstatement
Some anon experimented here a couple weeks ego between 6 heart/60 skill and 60 skill/6 heart with 1kat and found the difference was like 25 attack rating (when he had 1400 anyway)

Personally I'm level 300 and I run 99 skill, 60 strength and 30 body/heart
This gives me about 1400-1500 attack rating with 1kat, 2kat, spear and kusarigama (all about +5)

>>170713681
Did he have a kat with CTA Heart and CTA Skill aswell?

>>170714079
I dont think so
I have CTA Skill on everything though

>175 hours
>level 300
>plat trophy
>1 +10 piece of armor
God damn that shit is expensive.

What's a good place to farm Rev's these days?

There seems to be a lot less graves in Inheritance lately. Probably people have been getting better and not dieing, and also less people playing ...

how much damage does change to attack give if the stat is 99?

I forgot to re-use sake before it ran out in my last DKR run and i got 50m less amrita for it lol.

>>170714768
Does reusing it not reset the multiplier?

>>170714853
Apparently not.

Anyone know if mystic artes such as the axes one where you do more damage in the yokai realm work with other weapons too?

Anybody have a kusa with CaT Body at like A- or A?

>>170714853
it does but it's base effect is really strong anyway

>>170715189
They don't. Other passive skills do but mystic arts only work with the weapon they come from.

I want to make a finisher build. Just stab people to death. Whats the best set and guardian for this?

>>170715823
Kingo meme and Aya-Komori. Get the backstab damage skill from the kusarigama tree and Sword of Execution and stack dmg from behind and killing strike damage on your sword.

How did we go from the most active general to the most dead in all of /vg/?

>>170716364
>botw
>nier
>game got stale

>>170716364
singleplayer game
nier's general will be just as dead a month after release
horizon zd didn't even get a general

>>170715387
A- becomes A+

>>170716364
Wait for PvP and DLCs

>>170716634
Does anyone here have one I can farm off their rev though?

>>170716364
Lots of good games coming out at the same time and a lack of re-playability.

>>170716893
Isle of Demons NG+

>>170716893
Farm revenants with spears. There's a good chance you'll find an inheritable CTA body

How do you get a Divine Gold Nioh set?

>>170720227
Boons section in the shrine

So how does levelling in this game work? What are the softcaps? Is it more important to minmax one stat or get a decent spread to wear other armour and get spirit boni?

>>170721347
balanced stats
then dump the rest into whatever your weapon scales with

>>170721347
There are no softcaps for damage, the scaling will be the same all the way until 99.

>>170721347
Before you dump into your main stat, get 25 spirit and however much stamina you need. If you want magic or ninjitsu, the softcap is 30, but going higher will still give you more jutsu slots.

Min/maxing isn't necessary to become extremely powerful.

Forging a set yourself lowers the stat requirement to wear it.

God I hope they overhaul ninjtsu and magic skill trees for the next one. Magic is mostly buffs and debuffs. I would like more damage spells to increase build variety.

>>170722117
Slots hardcap at 30 you baka
Also you need far less than that even if you want to use lots of magic/ninjutsu because you get showered with locks over the course of the game which lets you buy the skill for 10 additional slots

>>170704257
We are probably gonna get Masamune's dragon

>>170722367
Oh, so you keep getting points after 30?

>>170722926
You get samurai/ninja/onmyo skill points until 99
Capacity slots hardcap at 30 (30 slots) but of course there's the skill that gives you 10 slots for a total of 40
Even when you have 99 you can track down every lock in the game, I dont think anybody has figured out yet how many skill points you get that way

what is the highest amount of unlimited onmyo you can get on armor?

ok wtf, how do you not get stunned from yokai realm? sick of that shit, you run to a yokai to kill it but then the field that pops up with them just stuns you out of you're attack/dashing.

do you need a certain amount of "vs yokai realm"?

>>170724628
Just stop being a retard and rushing into yokai while they are in their hugbox realm

>>170724628

Slow down for half a second first. You can huck a poison/paralysis smoke bomb in there and then activate the Yokai spawn in with your guard up and get a free status effect off the bat. I'm curious what Sword of Meditation could do with +paralysis damage, it's pretty easy to get like +80% damage and that is before the familiarity bonus on the helmet.

>>170724628

You know you don't have to rush straight into them, and trigger them slightly out of range right?

>>170722318

I would like a passive similar to the shiruken throwing one, that would let you rapid fire elemental shots. Being able to set down elemental, damaging versions of the Oasis talisman would be pretty awesome too.

Ninjutsu has plenty of toys though. The damage may cap out pretty low but setting shit on fire and poisoning it at the same time is pretty helpful for how easily you can set it up. The Iga set bonus means you are free to use the fuck out of it, too. If they ever patch in a similar Onmyo set I'll be all fucking over it.

>>170723520
I have 55% give or take a .1% and i'm fairly sure you won't get much higher.

19% guardian, 5.4 on each armour piece (put inheritable pieces on legs, feet and head, reforge it on the hands and body) and then 2 accessories with it too.

>>170723520
Also 4.9% is the best inheritable stat amount (without 999 familiarity) if thats what you meant.

>>170722318
I think the biggest problem with the Onmyo tree is that shots and such cost too much and cast too slow, combined with there being no real spirit to reliably build around Onmyo use and no set items that improve it in any way.

I'd love to be throwing tags like a motherfucker the way you would throw pyromancy or lightning spears in Souls, but there's no unlimited onmyo build the way there is Ninjutsu, and there's no sets that really boost Onmyo in other ways the way Iga Ninja does.

>>170726347

Does magic power even effect anything past how much damage the shots do? All the debuffs land instantly anyway, all the buffs seem to be uneffected from what I can tell, and there is clearly no effect on the passives.

>>170726794
Steel talisman is influenced by magic power, I'm sure the elemental buffs are also affected.

>>170726794
I think it's just damage, which is goddamn stupid. I wish it improved elemental status build on enemies or something too.

And I don't think it affects Guardian Spirit talisman, which is really the only magic damage talisman people use. But I could be wrong about that

>>170703283

instant buffs affect non-recharging onmyo items as well, afaik.

>>170703283
you should really take both if you can. Both are good for different situations.

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>>170726917
>>170726934

If elemental build up works anything like paralysis build up does, it's drastically disappointing anyway. I had a sword with a whopping 9 paralysis (14 once familiarity kicked in), it took about 6 light low stance hits to land the ailment on a human. I slapped on the spider for a whopping +35, and it only saves me a single swing. Now, if the spider outright replaces my value, that is still over double what I had. If they stack I'm looking at well over triple the effect. And I go from 6 swings to 5. It hardly feels like it's worth it.

>>170703283

I prefer the instant buffs / cast speed buff. It makes offensive magic far more combat viable, makes buffs available at a moments notice, and frees up your helmet. Going back to normal casting speed is torture for me now.

Why do revenant graves not show up sometimes? I just entered the bridge mission in NG+ to grind some green equipment and all the graves are gone.
Second time it's happened to me.

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>>170728970
And a enemy I think? Never seen this before.

Are there only 2 craftable hand cannons?

>>170729113
They're basically no different than those yokai spots that summons an enemy, except you can snipe them from a distance before they spawn anything. That one spawns a one-eyed giant I believe

is there a way to farm Trail of the Master while being online without the fucking revenants? I want the online bonuses for Furuta clan, but then the graves of retards show up and I can't do anything

>>170729049
Paralysis is worthless unless you stack damage dealt (enemy paralyzed) anyway, and even then sloth/lightning is better in 99% of situations simply because it lasts longer than a single hit.

>>170728970
>>170729113
Are you doing the sidemissions only now?

I'm on the last mission with my Axe build and I'm a little torn on what to do next. Do I need to go far into NG+ if I'm not interested in PVP at all? Kinda excited about making a spear+kat/kusa build. I don't even have PS plus so I couldn't pvp if I wanted to.

You can get main bosses smithing texts from their sub missions right?

>>170730232
there is no PVP yet. NG+ is basically just getting better gear and doing harder missions.

>>170730348
I know, I meant more prepping for it I suppose. I'd like to do the DLC once it comes out without a whole bunch of grinding though.

>>170730316
you mean like Muneshige? Yeah.

>>170726794
There's a certain 2kat with locked A scaling based on Onmyo magic power instead of the standard CTA(Magic) and I'm curious to see how much damage it can do.

>getting every title isn't a trophy
How the hell can i be the Nioh when i haven't even punched a dweller to death with my bare hands?

>>170729071
Read the op

>>170730928
as I understand it, it fucking sucks and you shouldn't use it

>>170730928

I think someone ran some tests on it a few threads ago, and if I remember right it caps out at something stupid low.

Does different armor set ability stacks?

does carnage stack with rage (axe buff)? When I use both only one sword status icon show up.

>>170732209
if there's only one sword icon, one got overwritten.

The only way to get two attack buffs that I'm aware of is from Carnage/Power Pill and High Stance Amrita Absorption from Tengen Kujaku

>>170732097
Yes

How the fuck do you fight 2 kings

>>170733123
easiest way is to find ways to knock one or both down. I honestly shred them now using Daiba-Washi and buff/debuff stacking.

What's your build and how are you dying

>>170733396
Spear
Getting my attacks poise-tanked then I get 1/2 hit killed

>>170733396
meant for >>170733123

>>170733396
axe, dying because its so fucking slow to do anything.

>>170733541
It was also me >>170733123 that replied to that, I'll add to it by saying I can't get enough damage out quick enough

>>170733778

are you using spells like Weakness/Carnage?

>>170734030
Yeah, and I'm still getting ganked instantly, I even have Guardian spirit knockdowns and the infinite high stance combo and it still doesn't work

can you decrease how much ki is lost when you're hit (not blocking)? I feel like my ki goes down by huge chunks when I'm slapped by a yoke. armor is 1.8k and over 200 toughness.

>the most powerful set is exclusive to the ps store digital deluxe edition
>literal p2w
>i-it's ok when Sony does it
I dare you to defend this shit.

>>170734352
(You)

>>170734352
What, the crimson one?
Is it really that good?

I just did a pretty standard strength/axe playthrough. Which weapon would be farthest opposite of this one? Spear or Kusa?

>>170734352
lmao nigga get ya tongue outta niggas booty pipes a sec n shut the fuck up about "powerful this powerful that" nobody gives a fuck nigga just literally play the game fuckin nerd

>>170733396
Axe. Falling off ledges mostly or getting too cocky with spin and grabbed by bosses.

>>170734579
Yeah it's OP as fuck.

>>170734731
>>>/r/blackpeopletwitter

>>170734182
I suck at webms or I'd show you how I do it, but what I usually do is:


1) stack Extraction and Pleiades (optional, I do this for Luck during LW gear to get more divines)
2) shoot Muneshige in the face with an arrow, causing him to crumple
3) Run up towards the left side, walk out of the path of Tadakatsu's rock that he'll throw
4) Sloth and Weakness talismans on Muneshige (you need instant cast for this. the second talisman will instantly have Muneshige standing
5) by now, Tadakatsu will have walked towards you and will be near Muneshige, Muneshige will be probably preparing his circle sword buff.
6)use Daiba Washi talisman, knock both of them down
7)cast Carnage, Final Blow Muneshige
8)Immediately cast Daiba Washi, Final Blow Muneshige again. repeat until he's dead.
9) Cast Sloth and Weakness on Tadakatsu, repeat process.
10) Living Weapon when he's at critical health and kill him for the luck bonus

It's a bit involved, but once you figure it out it's super easy.

Does Hanzo's engrish get markedly worse in the cutscene after Yamata or is it just me? He sounded much different when you first met him to me at least. And then it that last scene with him he sounds absolutely retarded.

>>170734934
>random guy whines about a mundane set of armor in a video game where nearly everything else is also OP

Really makes you think.

>>170735162
>unironically defending paywalled armor (which is also the most powerful in the game)
kys cuck

>>170735385
>the most powerful in the game
[citation needed]

>>170735792
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5rfW7wosXg

>>170735891
>literal naruto build

>managed to get hold of 3 out of 5 "Japan's Greatest Swords" in Divine
>have a purple version of the earth one
>have the water one but it's only yellow
I didn't care about them until I started getting the divine ones, and now I'm obsessed with completing the set

motherfucker this game awoke new levels of autism in me

>>170735891
The Sanada set isn't even integral to that build and it functions identically without it. Do you even play the game or do you just watch videos of it on Youtube?

>>170735891
this build is just as viable with Fanatic's or even Kingo's. It's the skill layout and weapon that make the difference. Hell, this build is just as doable with any weapon except maybe axe.

>>170736548
>The Sanada set isn't even integral to that build
Did i say it was?
>>170736808
Yeah no shit, the point obviously is that Sandada is stronger and it's paywalled. Can you imagine if dark souls did this? Stop defending this crap.

Wish you got more divine fragments for higher level divine gear, got so many +2's and +3's I can't bring myself to dismantle, but not enough money to soul match them into better gear.

What kind of strategy do you all use? I've just been dismantling anything +1 or lower, seems to keep me in enough divine fragments for my reforging needs and all my gear is +9. But then I can't make money from selling divines.

>>170736993
you mean like when the DLCs had stuff like Dark Magic that would oneshot you and unless you bought it you had no access to it? Or Bloodborne having pretty much all of the strongest weapons in the game be part of the Old Hunters expansion? No, I can't imagine that at all.

>>170736993
>imagine if dark souls did this
Seriously. Do you play any of these games?

>>170736993

I downloaded Nioh off the store and it came wirh the armour add on. Its not even good m8

>>170737313
>>170737394
>digital deluxe
>same as an expansion

>>170737307
I just farm isle of demons ng+ a shit ton and then either sell the divines if I need money or disassmble them if I need fragments
Also when I go reforging I usually settle on a set number of fragments I'm willing to spend and then save scum if I dont get the roll I want with that amount

>>170737626
doesn't matter. Someone had an innate advantage over someone who didn't due to accessing paywalled content.

>>170737307
I've got 999 divine fragments that don't seem to ever go down, so I just sell anything that doesn't have a + and use the funds to soul match all the +1's and above into higher +X's.

Which guardian do I use and upgrade for 1 Kat?

>>170737307
sell anything below Divine, as well as any divine accessories I have no use for

Divine gear I disassemble if it's below +4.

>>170737626
Are you arguing against things being behind a paywall or are you just upset at a thing that happened in Nioh?

>>170737931
It's actually better to disassemble everything below divine and then sell the materials

>>170738251
really? that's strange.

>>170737769
>doesn't matter
Yes It does faggot, for starters, it's limited to the fucking digital copy. What if you want the physical?

>>170738034
I'm pissed that i have to buy a fucking full price digital copy if i want an armor set in the game im buying. I never buy digital.

>>170738417
>I never buy digital

sounds like a personal problem then

>>170738417
So are you actually implying you haven't even played the game and just came into the general to shitpost about a superfluous armor set you won't receive if you decide to buy the game at a discount in a few months?

is it true that the fan accessory can have up to +50 luck? I have never seen it above 30

>>170738417
On the bright side, Sanada is nearly guaranteed to appear in the game before all the DLC is said and done. Maybe they'll allow you to get his armor then.

>>170738829
Yes, I have one that I never unequip.

>>170739146
where did you get it? I've been farming Yasakani Magatama and every black Fan I find is under 30

>>170738695
You're face is a personal problem.

>>170738778
>So are you actually implying you haven't even played the game
No. I have the plat.

>>170739115
True.

>>170734352
>>170734579

The Sanada Crimson set is pretty lackluster, really. Final Blow Damage +16%, Ki +5, Skill Damage +12.5% and Close Combat Attack (Critical) + 25%. Unless it scales like a fucker it's really not that great compared to other sets. Sure, you can use it for a very specific build that's just as doable with other shit anyway.

Besides, literally killing shit in a single move isn't fun and if you are strong enough to pull that shit off you likely don't need to farm for anything else anyway. It's pointless.

>>170703230
It doesn't really matter that much. It takes a few hundred elemental damage to trigger the effect on most enemies. 5 points difference is not going to do shit. The elemental damage is scaled to actual attack rating so you'll notice axes with 15 water does a lot more water damage per swing than a dual katana with 15 water. I would worry less about rolling perfect elemental effect than rolling high ki reduction, ki damage, etc.

>>170739831
>The Sanada Crimson set is pretty lackluster
I already posted a video showing it's the strongest set in the game.

The literal most powerful set is locked behind a digital deluxe edition, that's bullshit.

>>170740103
did you do the math yourself to prove it's the strongest? I honestly think Fanatics does better for a critical build

>>170740103
Running that same build you would never notice the lack of the Sanada set in any practical application. If you value hypothetical damage building and min/maxing over actual play maybe you should have decided to buy digital this one time to satisfy your needs.

Nobody is calling bullshit over this because the set doesn't offer an advantage that really matters in actual play.

>>170740406
>did you do the math yourself to prove it's the strongest?
Why do i need to do that when he already did it? I'm full fanatics with the optimal weapon/armor skills and i do significantly less dmg.

>>170740429
>doing more dmg doesn't matter cuz like the enemies will still die anyway! xD

>>170738367
>1k for grape katana
>240 coins for tamahange
no

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>>170703283
Both are good. You should choose based on what type of onmyo you need and how often you'll apply buffs in the heat of battle. Consider set bonus stacking too. With the yasakani magatama you could still wear the onmyo cast speed hat and have some really good set stacking. This is my setup now, and I use the duration art. 5 piece national unity with tengen kujaku for the Amrita absorbing buffs, and I use mainly extraction, weakness, carnage, devigorate, and fire/wind talismans because they match my katana elements and I have 80% extended effect on then along with buff duration. 2 piece sanada and 2 piece master swordsman for skill ki reduction and final blow damage. I may eventually have 4 piece master swordsman for sign of the cross damage if I can get B agility. Usually I won't have to re-buff myself very often because I can absorb Amrita to buff myself whenever necessary, so for now I'm going with duration over instant cast. I know my weapon rolls and stuff are far from perfect but pic related.

>>170740616
do you notice Sozasa Monji's lack of damage on account of no Familiarity Damage Bonus or +20% CCD?

>>170720415
That doesn't work, I did it before I hit NG+ so I just got a blue Gold Nioh set, and can't redo it, am I just stuck hoping revenants have it?

>>170741016
you can forge the Gold Nioh set once you get the boons

>>170740616
>fire +14 at max familiarity
wew

>>170740818
No it's still really strong. I don't much care about missing out on that. The main thing for me is being able to wear a different chest piece because I still want the 5 piece bonus but there's no head armor. I wish I could find a perfect roll on strong attack damage, but it's fine. I do use them a lot to absorb Amrita so that's good. I can one shot some enemies from behind with a high stance strong attack when I've got the tengen kujaku buff up. I'm sure a lot of people have stronger swords with my stats and upgrade level, but it is strong enough for me.

>>170741210
It's the max for the craftable elemental weapons at 150. I believe 160 would make it +15.

>>170741210
It really doesn't matter if I have 6 or 7 more points of elemental damage. The actual damage dealt to enemies is scaled up based on the attack rating of that specific weapon or attack, and it will still take a good few swings to trigger the element effect. I use tengen kujaku so I deal more elemental damage and my weapon buffs last about 3 minutes so I'm good on that front. I'm not wasting gold on rolling a literally useless stat 6 points higher.

>>170741406
what's a perfect Strong Attack roll?

>patch makes it so that picking something up when you're at the max amount automatically sends it to storage
>still no auto refilling of ammo/consumables when you start a mission/use a shrine/die
>still no way to buy things and have them sent straight to storage

This shit is why I almost never use consumables. Having to constantly restock them manually is way too fucking tedious.

>>170741658
I think it's 20% or 25% which makes mine look pretty shit. But this one had A+ heart scaling already on it (found from revenant that way) with fire also. I thought that was pretty lucky since I'll eventually find a better inheritable for it.

>>170741796
there is an option to turn on auto-refill
curb your ignorance

>>170741796
>still no auto refilling of ammo/consumables when you start a mission
There's a setting to enable it in the options menu.

>still no way to buy things and have them sent straight to storage
Press L3

>>170741817
shit, I didn't realize it got that high

>>170741898
>>170741929
Wait, there is? Well shit time to start throwing around my 500 bombs more often.

Thanks for letting me know and excuse me for being a dumbass.

Is the master swordsman dual swords locked at 5 special effects or have I just been unlucky with forging?

Anyone got 100% smithing texts yet? Also, is there no smithing text for any cannon, specifically the bellowing tenryu?

>>170742628
the only smithing texts are for boss gear.

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>>170715823
5 piece kingo
2 piece sanada Crimson
Get all final blow and behind the back damage passives, skills, and stack the effects on your weapons
Literally fuck the world in one downward stab
Use katana btw

>>170742035
don't beat yourself up about it, that's our job
but you recognised the error of your ways so it's all yoga, man

>>170722318
You can KINDA build for elemental damage projectiles. You need literally every elemental stacking effect and armor piece and weapon possible and high magic though. It kinda works. At least you basically can never run out of them if you have the right setup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mJc9LJikVg&feature=share

>>170741935
I'm not entirely sure because I've never seen that. But max rolls are ridiculously rare or even high rolls. And it's a fixed stat, so you'd need to get pretty lucky with a drop or forge.

>>170743607
yeah I figured, I know things have different stats though so it might not go that high

Is fluidity for spears truly worthless?

I feel like they couldn't possibly have fucked up this badly

>>170740103

You and that single video are the first time I have heard of anyone seriously using that set in the first place. Fanatics offers higher close combat damage and other bonuses along side it. Kingos offers close combat damage and back damage, and more of it. They are pretty well interchangeable.

>>170740589

When the enemy dies in one fucking move either way, no, it doesn't fucking matter.

>>170743168

Does long range attack damage work with elemental shots? I just got like +30% ranged damage on my cannon. Stacked with +fire damage you may actually get some OK damage out of them. Though I feel like bombs / explosive shiruken would still work better in the end.

>>170746437
Sanada Crimson has a slight edge in being significantly lighter so you can have B agility at base stamina. Kingo's or Fanatics will be heavy as fuck

>>170746631

Why do you need stamina regeneration if you are killing shit in a single move?

>>170746804
doesn't weight decrease run speed, plus lower dodge distance?

Best way to farm centipede fangs? Trying to get a Atagi Sadamune with +16 or +17 water damage.

>>170747013
you're honestly better off farming Two Kings and hoping Muneshige drops one

Whats the best way to farm +x weapons, I have a +8 and it seems to be a shitshow to get anything from anywhere.

>>170746893

A bit. If you absolutely need to be as fast as fucking possible then sure, the weight advantage is worth it. But it's negligible, and the other sets offer other bonuses such as boosting all of your critical effects in general and offering high damage without having to be at critical health.

start up bloodborne after playing nioh a bunch. finally realize how much better 60fps is

>>170747305
and that's the rub. this is for LW builds. which are basically speedrun builds

>>170747013
Get a decent number of fangs and then just save scum by copying your save to a USB stick

>respecing to level 1 and fighting revenants while having to deal with point placement all over again
>can just fight high level revs in clone kelly room

You fags need to stop shitting up /v/ with your constant complaining about the game not being difficult. Fuck off

>want to make 3P Genius Strat/2P Tateshi/1P Master swordsman build
>don't want to spend an hour hunting for -1 set req charm
bleh

Is the bug that randomly deletes your save files fixed yet? I don't want to touch the game until that's fixed.

How do you guys vape while playing this game? I have to wait til i die since there is no pause, its fucking annoying

>>170747117
Why two kings specifically as opposed to two shores or demon king runs?

>>170749021
No idea man. I smoke a pipe so I just let it rest in my mouth and smoke while I'm playing.

PvP is going to be a shit show

parry parry parry parry sign of the cross sign of the cross INFINITE KI BLOCKING parry INFINITE LIVING WEAPON

Did they change the difficulty ratings on revs? Used to be anything lower level was rated 1, now at level 260, stuff rated at like 200 will be rated 2 or 3. I don't think the drop rates changed though, I'll still only get like one piece of gear.

>>170749397
Muneshige pretty much only drops 1kats as far as weapons go, so you have a better chance of getting an Atagi Sadamune than others

>>170749021
>How do you guys vape while playing this game?
Well, that's easy. I don't vape for starters.

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>Reforging for Stat Scaling or Familiarity Bonus
>Keeps getting C

Am I doing something wrong or is RNGesus fucking with me?

>>170749889
>spirit iron
GET THIS GUY OUTTA HERE!

>>170749889
Raikiri has CtA C as a fixed stat, so you can't get any better. Familiarity you're just unlucky.

Honestly you're better off trying for a Mikazuki Munechika since it has a fixed lightning stat without the fixed Spirit, so you can put Body on there

>>170750001
Using Divine Fragment also gives me C on scaling and familiarity, so what am I doing wrong?

>>170750001
I've been using divine on my 150 +2 Taisharyu and I keep getting either B- or C on Familiarity and I have no idea why

Correct me if I am wrong, but do different weapons have different seeds or is it possible for all of them to have A- (A+ on max senpai) for Senpai Bonus?

>>170750086
So the Glory lottery guy?

Might as well then

>>170742854
What is the strongest katana for this?

>>170750321
I got one as a drop from either Demon King or Muneshige, I forget

>>170749532
unless they go with an arena based pvp with preset classes

>>170750779

>they remove gear bonuses

Anybody up for farming 2kings or Yuki-Oda with me? I'd like to get my +8 up a level or two. I'll warn you now though I'm using a ninjutsu/poison build and at best can just distract and whittle down one of the targets But man it's a fun build.

Set a password and wait, I'll join you in a few minutes.

>>170751423
Wait, you can co-op farm those bosses, like 2v2?

>>170751547

Yeh, Yokai Realm with companion. You have to clear them solo first iirc.

>>170751871
Alright, pass is NIOGEN

>>170751931
Doing 2kings btw

>>170750481
atagi sadamune for the kingo bonus i'd assume.

anyone have an inheritable skill-to-attack weapon they can drop for me? i'm at about 1200 divine fragments sunk into these damn swords with not one in sight.

>>170747013
Atagi Sadamune (and all weapons with base 4 element) can only be +4 - +8 (+9 - +12)

Am I married to the warrior of the west set if I want to make lightning status a major part of my playstyle?

>>170749889
If you're still here i can drop you a 16 lightning mikazuki with an open slot for an inheritable.

>>170753146
you can bump that another 5% with familiarity bonus, no?

>>170753343
Max familiarity adds a flat +5 to the element. Were you taking about +16-17 base or max familiarity? Because 12 is the highest base you can get. I think you can get 13 with level 160 weapons.

Any particular armor to forge for 160?

>>170754721
All I've heard is Unusual is supposedly higher chance. I've had no luck with it though.

>>170755058
Well I guess I'll try that next. Thanks.

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new build

I like this setup, but I kinda miss having 6000 health with stacked damage reduction at level 150

>>170758548
Okay now that is absolutely hilarious

Is it best to farm smithing texts in way of the samurai? Is there a trick to farming them?
Want Mitsunaris set for a fun living weapon build

>>170758671
it's not as broken as it looks

it's only useful for humanoid enemies which generally tend to have low health anyway, and it completely preoccupies you, so it's not at all feasible when fighting multiple enemies

they do take fall damage though, so I guess it would also work out well if instead of inflicting poison and fire, you just stack a bunch of regular shurikens and kunai with infinite chance and get something as high as humanly possible for pure fall damage

>>170759219
Well none of that matters because it's funny.

>>170753146
Uh, I don't think this is true, I got an axe drop with a locked element and it's +15 at 0 familiarity.

>>170760037
>all weapons with base 4 element
i.e the craftable ones. You can only get higher from dropped weapons: "rares/legendaries" w.e you wanna call them.

>>170760610
Huh, that's weird, so forging is essentially pointless for all weapons with a locked element, really only good for getting 160s.

>>170760954
Yeah, and for sets/inheritables.

>>170760954
All the set weapons with elements are element base 6 aren't they? Or at least the spears are don't recall the others

I have a 150 +8, have I essentially just wasted a load of gold because it isn't a 160?

>>170761949
When you soulmatch it with 160 it becomes 160+8

>>170761949
You can just soulmatch with a 160

>>170762052
>>170762045
thank fuck for that

>>170758791
Pls respondu

I wish this shit was on PC, we'd have every bit of info by now

>>170762578
Stack item drop rate.

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Rate my anti revenant build.

>>170758791
>Is there a trick to farming them?
Get as much luck as you can. Use rabbit guardian. If boss doesn't drop it then return to title screen and try until he does.

>>170762667
Thanks mate. Is that all one can do?

>>170763128
>no loot
It's shit.

>>170762578
>>170763375
Also yes, there doesn't seem to be a higher drop rate in way of the strong so samurai would be faster.

>>170763128
>oh shit i'm not dealing with this fucker

>>170763486
Pretty much, item drop rate or preferably human item drop rate helps but you want luck the most.

>>170763128
>cause of death: drowned
>summon his ghost
>drowns again

Is the 3 attempt bathhouse still the best way to farm yasakani magatama? I got nothing out of ~7 runs.

>>170763823
>7 runs

It took me 50+ to see my first one and it was garbage.

>>170763823
I'd say yeah

i was preposterously lucky and got it on my first drop there, despite girding myself to grind all night for it

Whats the best place to farm revs for cups and clan currency?

>>170763948
Eh fuck it I'll stick with my mediocre one. Hopefully the DLC lets you reforge them.

>>170764185
The bridge mission. Not the one with the gigga axe guy but the gauntlet one with many enemies. I think is on region 2. Clear first wave of enemies, summon all revenants, clear second wave and repeat till the end.

How do I craft lvl160 weapons? Already cleared hundred eyes in NG+ but all my forges are 150.

>>170764795
>How do I craft lvl160 weapons?
Get incredibly lucky, the odds are low as fuck.

Whats the highest number I can get for elements? I have seen people here with 20+ on fire but also read you cannot go higher than 12 so I am confused.

For some reason many of Kelley's lines make me laugh. My favorite is when he speaks the line: I have resurrected the most feared overlord in all of Japan. really fast.

So are we going to get moth girl guardian spirit you think?

>>170765778
Definitely.

>>170765521
Familiarity adds to the element's damage as well

So what's the actual damage difference between a +18 and a +22 element?

>>170765521
If you're trying to roll an element through reforging, you cap out at 22 at max familiarity.

12 is the highest base you can get on a weapon with inherent elemental attack, e.g. Atagi Sadamune, Raikiri, etc.

>>170765521
You can't go higher than 12(17) for any crafted weapon that has +4 base. 16(21) is the max for dropped/rare weapons that are uncraftable.

Level 160 weapons can go 1 higher: +13(18) and +17(22).
( ) = Max Familiarity.

>>170766554
Is the damage difference a lot between 17 and 21?

>>170766793
Haven't tested. I doubt it's much though, the strongest living weapon has 70.

Is discord strong? Was thinking about making a build around it.

>>170767198
If you can proc discord, you've basically won the fight.

>>170767510
Nice to hear. I am looking at the guardians and it seems nobunagas bird is the only one that can make this possible. That plus water and I think thats it. I cant get ''Extend Elemental Effect'' on gear right?

I have a feeling this general will die when the Dark Souls 3 DLC comes out. Let it Die general died when Nioh came out.

>>170767756
(not him) i'm not sure on armor, but you can on accessories, i think

>>170768776
Doubtful. The new Nioh content will keep people talking about it and then the DLC in April will bring in the PvP shitters.

>>170768776
we've still got two free updates and a DLC to worry about first, anon.

>>170768776

It's strange; Nioh is the first game in four years I've been compelled to play through to the end and I'm thrilled to get to do it all over again in WotS.

I grew bored of DS, DS3 and Bloodborne but Nioh's atmosphere and faster-paced play style maintained my interest for much longer. That said, it's made me interested to give DS3 and Bloodborne another shot.

I think the broader appeal of Dark Souls is that it's not just for fucking weeaboos. The design is much more timeless. I don't think another DLC pack is going to hold people over for that long, though.

>>170765915
I hope you're right, for the sake of having more waifus

>>170763823
>7 runs
try 7 hours

>>170769683
the only reason to play through ds3 ng+ is for rings though.

They change nothing except enemy health and damage.

>>170769798
Tbh the ng+ changes in ds2 really helped make even a shit game more replayablr

>>170769798

I didn't finish DS3. I don't think I played for more than four hours or so. I'm about two bosses in. In DS1 I made it to Darkroot Garden before just checking out.

However the majority opinion seems to be that Nioh is a boring slog, which was hardly my experience. Its primary flaw is that combat is easy cheesed and can get really button mashy, which seldom works anywhere in DS. Still found the levels an order of magnitude more interesting and combat is nonetheless fun, if slightly broken.

>>170770237
Yeah at least in 2 they added the red enemies that were pretty hard to fight, so it actually was somewhat difficult

>>170770256
>boring slog
I haven't heard anyone really talk about the game other than all the questions this general gets, but i thought the game was probably one of the best i've played in a while.

Few bugs, awesome story, and challenging and varied gameplay. (unless if you used sloth, then yeah it might have been a boring slog. I never specced into it even though i had fairly high magic)

>>170752797
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PLEASE IF ANYONE HAS
>24% + BAREHAND DMG INHERITABLE GLOVES/+34% MAXED
PLEASE LET ME FARM YOUR REV FOR MY BUILD

>>170771479
theres a revenant on >reddit that fits your specifications, if it's still up

https://www.reddit.com/r/Nioh/comments/5yu3ff/come_farm_me_please/

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if a weapon have 50 parry
and i roll +10 parry on it

am i effectively increasing my parry window by 1/5?
just trying to figure out how this shit works

>>170771803
the parry stat doesnt actually affect parries, afaik.

poor naming conventions.

>>170771885
>look at the wiki
>it says parry is ki lost when guarding
>when there's actually another stat called guard ki reduction
now i don't know what to believe

>>170772104
Guard ki reduction is an additional percentage modifier

>>170772104
Localization did a terrible job with this one.

I just want to make one nue claw weapon and this faggot ass chimera wont drop it

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>>170771479
You're in luck! I just got these from The Iga Escape. Where do you want me to die at?

Orochi is buggy as fuck. I've had it glitch out where the heads were always too far back to hit and had to resort to range, then the when the final head died it teleported up into the fucking sky and i couldn't hit it. Also had it glitch on the first phase with the 2 heads where when they died the amrita crystals blocking the sides didn't get destroyed and the mission was unfinishable.

>be in the Totoyomi clan
>Every revenants I meet is a Totoyomifag

I really should switch clans but taking a 60% glory reward penalty is harsh and I'm waiting for this week 'clan battle' to be over

>>170768979
>>170768998
I'm excited for boss rush mode update so farming their boss material will easier

>>170772357
stack luck, choose the hunter's kodama blessing and equip the kodama bowl hat, you should get one within 3 tries

Just bought this game a few days ago. Which control scheme do you guys use? I like using r1 r2 to attack but theres no scheme where you can also use l1 or l2 to block (like in souls). Blocking with square at the moment and it feels a bit weird.

>>170773373
Default, because it's not a souls game and I don't have a problem adjusting to a game's native controls.

When do the new DLC missions come out?

>>170773373
i have literally never changed the control scheme of a game i just bought

>>170771659
Thanks so much man that would have taken forever without you.

>>170774076
dont thank me, thank that guy

i'm still trying to get him to re-drop that CTA skill inherit weapon

>>170773626
end of march, roughly. end of april is for the dragon of tohoku dlc and pvp addon

>>170774559
Have they said how much DLC the game will have by the end?

>>170774825
not sure past the april one, i'd guess at least two more, if they're planning on sticking to emulating dark souls

>>170774882
Shit. Might have to get the season pass after all.

>>170774991
well, the end of march and end of april updates are free apparently (and i would assume that any balance change patches would be free as well), the dragon DLC (and other similar expansion beyond that) is paid

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>>170775201
>(and i would assume that any balance change patches would be free as well)

>it's not
>if you don't pay for new ones you're stuck with hyper sloth LW users in full Red Memer's and occasional King Kongos meta
>this is terrible so you pay for the balance change
>spaghetti code
>suddenly everything is nerfed and nearly useless in the story mode
>next balance change will fix this
>only $5

>>170776283
Don't be silly, you won't be paying for balance patches. Nioh isn't on the Xbox 360.

Hopefully PvP update is just an PvP Arena mode separate from the main game

Whoever suggested unusual armor to forge for 160's, thank you, just got 3 in less than 50 attempts

>>170777002
I hope the opposite is true

I want invasions

>>170777778
>Unusual armor
>armor
Wait what? Is it possible to forge lvl 160 armor as well?

Can someone tell me why I'm doing 300 damage with a 900 damage weapon I'm on ng+ yokai realm.

>>170779851
Character is bugged. Only way to fix it is to sell all items you have equipped then reset your game..

I refuse to believe that request from ginchiyo runs is the best way you autists have found to farm gold

>>170780885
>gives 100,000 gold per run
>can be finished in two minutes flat without killing a single enemy
It's flawless, m8. The only vaguely comparable alternative I can think of is farming revenants on wots isle of demons and selling the divines.

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>>170780885
>mfw I have a way of earning almost 5 mill gold under 10 min
But im not sharing with you fucking redditcucks

>>170772781
Doesn't the toyotomi basically decide who wins clan battles? Like they have double the score of any of the other clans

>>170780885
it's shit because the goal point is randomize between 3 places and if it's not at the nearest place aka top temple then you'll have to fight your way out of the aggro to get to the other 2 points

>>170780885
Demons daughter is better. I refer farming Orn/Smough though as running endlessly is too boring, if the load times weren't shit i might be able to tolerate it.

Isle of demons only shows like 5-6 low level revenants for me, is there some sort of trick to getting more to show up?