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>Chaldea Boys Collection 2017
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.org/news.php#20170307c
http://news.fate-go.jp/2017/z60izs/
Pickup Summon (3/8 ~ 3/22)
- 5* Proto Arthur (Limited)
- 5* CE Talk on the heated sands - 400% star absorpion, 20% crit dmg
- 5* CE Detective Edmond - Invuln pierce, 8% arts up
- 5* CE As you wish - NP gain 25% up, Grants self invuln (1 turn)
- 4* CE Cafe Camelot - 8% on heals, defense and debuff res up
- 4* CE Outrage - Taunt (1 turn), NP gain 15%
- 4* CE Operation Fianna - Buster 8%up, gain 10 stars (1 time)
- 3* CE Quatre Feuilles
- 3* CE Neverland
- 3* CE La siesta
The CEs are limited
Can redeem the red book in the giftbox for one of the above CEs in Da Vinci's shop
>Chaldea Boys Collection 2016 Rerun
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.org/news.php#20170303
Pickup Summon (3/8 ~ 3/22)
- 5* Amakusa Shirou (Limited)
- 4* Astolfo
- 3* Ko Gil
- 5* CE Professor and me
- 5* CE Kiss your hand
- 5* CE Versus
- 4* CE Moonlit four
- 4* CE Glassful sweet time
- 4* CE Noisy obsession
- 3* CE Salon de Marie
- 3* CE Prince of slayers
The CEs are limited
No females summonable
Can redeem the blue book in the giftbox for one of the above CEs in Da Vinci's shop

>News
- Latest changes http://fate-go.cirnopedia.org/news.php

>Dropmaps
http://imgur.com/a/6nXq9

>FAQ
http://pastebin.com/Hp918cqA

>Mega Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/HTrhq7Nk

>TLs Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/cJ9J0t45

>Grand Time Temple Solomon and General Profile Translation
http://pastebin.com/yP9nRYZM

>Fate/Grand Order Material Book III
https://www.mediafire.com/?e97zcwaov6noys2

>FL Spreadsheet (last reset: Dec.7)
Add yourself https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScCq3eZgh3zlUtZ3G6Y-zzv1kaXt4GHuWVBRlV__V3Q3rC2Pg/viewform
View list https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FSN1kmzso2itgjWzaGfysZ5WhEjiL5EcyjGr4k6DffA

>Materials, experience and event AP simulators
http://fgosimulator.webcrow.jp/

>Alternate Servant/CE DB
http://kazemai.github.io/fgo-vz/servant.html
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/JeanneAlter/ thread.
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I'm here
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Who has the best armpits?
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>>170582650
me
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>>170582650
Helena

This is canon, look at her final card art
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>>170582478
>Jalter memer
fuck off, reddit
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>>170582650
So about this I don't know how to say it but I think it would smell really bad.
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>>170583007
>Jalter
>reddit accusing others of being reddit

oh the iron knee
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>Android 7.0 finally being pushed to my Nexus 6
Took 'em long enough.

...Does FGO support 7.x yet?
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>>170582486
Honestly, I'm not upset about the lack of Tsukihime content as much as I am upset of them taking out Arc's hair intakes.

Thats unforgivable and would rather never ever have any more Tsukihime ever again if it meant she had those hair intakes again.
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>Serenity did this to me in a dream
She's so adorable. I wouldn't mind if she visited me every night.
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>>170583130
Since a few months ago.
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>>170583007
>Jalter
That's an irony.
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Best boy.
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Guan Yu 5* when lads?
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>>170583130
Yeah, running fine on my nexus 6p on 7.1
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>>170583007
Stop trying so hard to fit in, redditfag.
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Cu alter rate up when?
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>>170583007
This has to be a planned bait
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>>170583194
Thanks.
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>>170582650
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>>170583307
now
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>>170583307
6 days.
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>>170583159
Honestly, it feels like Tsukihime is never happening anyways. Fate has all this history, but with a tweest, Tsukihime's character are simply all original and that just doesn't seem to draw people into Fate Moon anymore.
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>>170583007
fuck off baiter
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>>170583650

YAMEROOOOOOO TEMEEEEEEEEEE
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>>170582337
"Your Payment was Declined Due to an Issue With Your Account. Please contact us"
For fucks sake Google.
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>>170583536
Nasu was trying to train Sakurai, Higishida, and some other guy to take his place recently writing Fate.

Turns out they sucked at it, he had to come back and help them out for awhile, but he's back to writing other things again.

They kicked him out of the project until FGO2 starts. So Nasu has a year to write Tsukihime again.

I do absolutely thing its going to happen and it'll still be popular, he's addressed it very recently saying the funds from FGO are going into it, but Fate is the money maker. I hate rabid Tsukihime fans since all they do is bitch about how Fate is still happening, but at the same time Tsukihime is still happening. Girls from Tsuki are still near the top of popularity charts. Mainly just two of the girls at this point, but still.
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>>170583798
I think your speculation is overly optimistic.
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>>170583085
>>170583220
>>170583303
>>170583378
>>170583656
>T-This must be bait
>gets baited anyways
Fucking Jalter Memers
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>>170583964

>he posts Nobu now

He's going all out, guys.
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>>170583964
Its okay I'll keep feeding (You) to (You)

I don't want (You) to kill (You)rself yet.
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I want to gently put my face between the book breasts and have my daughter sit on my face.
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>>170583964
>merely pretending

it's ok, bro. you're anonymous, people will forget about you in the next thread
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>>170584090
I want to gently teach your daughter the pleasure of anal intercourse.
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>scream ARTHUUUUURR as I roll
>get Proto Arthur
I don't have the Lancelot waking up picture but I sure wish I did right about now.
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Whats next after white day rerun? Hounnoji rerun? A brand new event? Half AP dailies?
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>>170584090
Look I don't care what you do to your daughter but leave my waifu out of your shit
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>>170583536
I mean to be fair, even if they do remake it just won't be the same.
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I've been watching Sanadamaru and I was thinking is there a limit to the number of skills a servant is allowed to have?

Are there any servants with absolutely dogshit parameters but lots of skills?
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>>170584090
Doesn't work at the same time with a face. You can't sit on a face and have breasts in it together.

What you want to do is a combination naizuri and buttjob, with two girls. As one rubs using her chest and the other her butt at the same time. That way you can do both.
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Swimsuit Serenity never.
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>>170584417
Some servants like Chiron and Scathatch have a skill that gives them Every skill

So

That's a thing
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>>170584417
Most skills and NPs a servant has ever had was St.George. Second place is Karna I think.

Class skills:
Magic Resistance A
Riding B

Personal skills:
Guardian Knight A+
Soul of a Martyr B+
Battle Continuation A
Instinct C
Divinity C

Noble Phantasms:
Ascalon Anti-Unit B
Abyssus Draconis Anti-Army C
Interfectum Dracones Anti-Unit C
Bayard Anti-Unit C

Of course if its number of NPs there's no beating Gilgamesh, and second place is Heracles Alter.
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That's a big bird.
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>>170584056
>>170584067
>>170584102
>getting baited that easily
wew
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>>170584835
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>>170584726
Since the thread is so dead I was gonna go off and write an OC servant but didn't want to go too far away from the existing servants

thanks for the information
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>>170585249
Post it tomorrow instead.
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>>170585249
Typically its two class skills, and maybe four personal skills for a high tier servant, max is probably five.
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>>170585357
that should be enough

I want to make one for Yukimura who is only strong when all conditions are met like Hideyoshi from koha ace
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Confused older eggplant
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Everyone here is reddit but me.
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>>170585543
I want to cuck Mode Red with her daddy!
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>>170582337
The best bride.
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HESSIAN IS CUTE! CUTE!
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Witch Thread.
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Excuse me anons, but why is Jalter reddit again?
It seems like the most efficient way to address her if you have to shorten her name.
If anything the character as a whole reeks of reddit to me, but the nickname seems fine.
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What CE for Yan Qing?
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>>170586609
quick up, the new gil + enkidu ce, three heroes, etc
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>>170586432
Because Reddit came up with the nickname.

Never call her D'arcness either, Reddit came up with that too.
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>>170586432
>Excuse me anons
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>>170586432
>shorten her name

What do you take me for, some lazy sack of shit? Get out of here
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>tfw no Onee-chan event
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>>170584289
I told you to believe in the one and only UNRIVALED if you wanted good luck.

If you are a gilcuck though you are doomed to having shit luck forever as divine punishment for your shit taste.
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>>170582337
Wish me luck guys
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>>170587217
she had one of the biggest roles in Babylon where she was all over Guda's dick and then was confirmed to remember Babylon in the Solomon order what more do you want
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>>170585426
Just make sure not to make him too over the top. Hideyoshi already stirred a lot of shit and he's one of the three unifiers.
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>>170586432
>if you have to shorten her name
But you don't have to shorten her name. It isn't even that long of a name. Just Jeanne Alter is fine
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>>170587217
>tfw no new events
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>>170587336
Hideyoshi is only useful three days of the war.

He's balanced just fine.
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>>170586041
Did Hessian just reject Gudako for Lobo

Or did she ask if he loves anyone and he went for the absolute doggo
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>2017 has a shit ton of games I am playing that I am enjoying
>F/GO is nothing but rerun shit

Thanks DW
You made this easier by just logging in for my dailies
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who here /rolling/ this gacha?
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Emiya Alter's bond CE.
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>>170587492
>Yunyun anything but a 3*
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Nobu a CUTE.
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>>170587492
no eris?
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>>170587217
Quetz is my only NP2 5 star, and I will get her to 100 when I have one more grail.
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>>170587441
I think it's the second one? Idk I'm going mostly for context because Gudako looks more like she ig getting cuteness overload instead of rejection, but I'm a filthy EOP saving just cute stuff so I can be wrong.
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>>170587536
>tumblr
>a year late
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>>170583192
She tried to kill you?
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>>170587492
>Megumin has 5 buster cards
>gets stunned immediately after using one

>>170587536
Is that a DMC reference?
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Post OC DONUT STEEL servants

Edgy cunt knight-o reporting in.
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>>170587762
I tried Cirno and Kazemai but neither of them had it.
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>>170587843
>Those shit tier copies of Ebony and Ivory
Nice try Faker.
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what does Emiya say in his new battle line?
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>Lancelot will kick ass in the Orleans OVA only using a pole
Hopefully they change the plot like with First Order and make him the final boss instead of Gilles too.
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>>170587823
I honestly thought I was going to die at first, but then I thought "I'm her master, I should be immune to her." and it all worked out. She clung to my arm the entire time before I woke up, Next time I see Serenity in dreamland I'm going to give her some of this.
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Does Percival exist in Fate?
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>>170588219
Yes.
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>>170588219

He does.
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>>170588039
Here is what is really going to happen though

>Going all out against Jeanne
>About to land a final blow
>Mashu blocks him
>He hammering down on her until he stalls for a moment looking at her
>Sumanai shows up and kills him. He maintains eye contact with Mashu as he fads away.
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Oda Nobunaga rate up when?
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>>170588285
>they can't shoot your pyramid down if you drop it on a castle
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So the Saber and the Master who "won" the Fuyuki Grail War was ProtoArthur and Ayaka?
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>>170588219
All the knights were confirmed during Camelot.

King Arthur.
Sir Percival
Kay
Sir Gaheris
Sir Palamedes
Gawain
Lancelot
Bedivere
Mordred
Galahad
Tristan
Agravain
Gareth
Sir Bors
King Pellinore

Course if you want more info on them read Camelot/Zero
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>>170587860
Just random it up and have a go

http://tmfatefanon.wikia.com/wiki/Rider_(Fate/deep_stake)
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>>170588392
Literally never.
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>>170588219
He does, but he died during the grail quest so don't expect him to have the sword of trebuchet or Fisher King related items
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Redman got a new line, who's it for?
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>>170583159
Look, I'll agree to this devil bargain but only if the granny skirt also makes a return and Ciel gets her old glasses back.
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>>170587441
Gudako is asking the "what do you like?" question from the My Room lines. Hessian responds with the sign saying he likes Lobo.
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>>170588475
That's actually a pretty cool servant idea, never even knew about Saint Florian till now.
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>>170588591
Jaguar Man? Did he have that one before?
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>>170588836
Aw
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>>170588931
No, it must have got added like how Siegfried got lines for Astolfo and Santa Lily last patch.
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>>170588591
He does? What does it say?
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>>170588635
That too.
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>>170588445
>"I summoned you knights because I require your power. While I can destroy my enemies alone, I cannot perform the Holy Selection. I need knights that will become my hands and feet. However. I understand that this act violates your beliefs. Will you obey me, or will you leave my side? Or, will you band together here to strike me down? I will hear your answers at sundown. I can wait no longer than that."

>And so, the Knights of the Round Table each fretted over their choice.
>There would surely be those who sided with the Lion King, just as there would surely be those who tried to stop her.
>In either case, the enemy would be their fellow Knights.
>Nobody was going to leave. If they disagreed with the Lion King, they had no choice but to enact the death penalty.
>That, in turn, meant fighting their comrades who had chosen to follow her.

>Sir Kay was strangely silent, and vanished till sunset without saying a word.
>Sir Percival politely exchanged words with all of the other Knights one by one, and weeped alone.
>Sir Gawain understood the significance of King Arthur calling herself the "Lion King."
>Sir Tristan blinded himself to the tragedy of the situation.
>Sir Lancelot, though he was loathe to admit it, realized that the Lion King's choice was making the best of a bad situation.
>Gaheris resolved himself to parting with his older brothers and younger sisters.
>Gareth never once doubted that Sir Lancelot, whom she revered, would surely choose to aid King Arthur.
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>>170586609
Noisy Attraction, Freelancer, the one that's Gandr+ and I don't have, Moonlight Fest, Steamy Sands
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>>170588836
Thanks anon. I find funny that Hessian here is totally a guy who likes doggo kinda like the hessian from Tim Burton's movie who really liked his horse.
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>>170588346
Going out with a Balmung while he is distracted is the best way for him to go out to be honest. I hope we see him disarm Gilles, Jeanne or Mashu and use their weapons at some point though.
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>>170589097
> Roll Gareth
> "Things I like? Sir Lancelot"
> "Things I dislike? Non Sir Lancelot Things"
> "The grail? Will it get me closer to Sir Lancelot?"
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>>170589050
Don't know, what's the Japanese website that has all of their lines?
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>on my alt there's these two crazy fucks that haven't deleted me and logged in less than 8 hours ago
>while I've been offline for something like 8 months
Well, be rewarded for your dedication I suppose.
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>>170589361
Not listed there yet.
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>>170589097
Tale has a nice climax

>The Lion King and her Knights marched into the Holy Land controlled by the False Crusaders.
>Though the False Crusaders were no match for them, the Servant calling himself Richard I was demonically strong.
>"Even the Knights of the Round Table can't possibly defeat this devil without loss. A sacrifice of two... no, three of our own will be necessary."
>As Gawain made that judgment, a single Knight charged forward, restraining Richard at the cost of skewering her own chest.
>It was Gareth.
>Gareth's heart had long since shattered to pieces over the course of their many battles.
>Killing her beloved comrades.
>Killing knights, false though they may be.
>Killing the people of the Holy Land, day in and day out.
>Mummy-like bags had appeared under her eyes, and her lily-white fingers that had once been more beautiful than anyone's were unrecognizably blackened from the washing she performed after combat.

>"I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Even though I chose this."
>"I can't bear it any longer. I can't fight any more. Please. Please."
>"I'm a fool. Please, punish me."

>It was the perfect opportunity to kill the enemy leader.
>Lancelot froze. He understood Gareth's feelings, but was hesitant to once more do the deed.
>Mordred raged. She had tried to stop her, saying they could win without making such sacrifices.
>Agravain quietly placed his hand on the sword hanging at his side. He understood what must be done.
>However. The one who swung his sword and dealt the mortal blow was Gawain.
>Along with the last remnants of his heart, he bid farewell to his little sister.

Says the Lion King was with the knights marching across the land? How strong is this person that they were all together and still could not win without three sacrifices under normal means.
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>>170588437
Nobody knows. It's not impossible. The Arthur met in the trial quest seems to have been in the hunt since shortly after the conclusion of Tokyo's Grailbowl in 1999. But then that's complicated by dimension-hopping and the possibility of time travel. And there are other question marks as well.

Basically, the answer is "maybe".
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>>170587860
I would but I don't have statblock saved. I was absolute bullshit though. Espionage C, Self-Modification A+, Counter Hero A and MEoDP as the NP.

Thanks nip generator.
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>>170588931
No but he smiles while talking so it's probably something happy.
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>Mashu
>I can see that your Noble Phantasm calls forth a chariot.
>But I don’t really know what happens after that…

>Mashu
>And the opponent doesn’t get blown back either, so I was wondering what kind of attack it is. That’s my question.

>Medb
>Wait, really? You want to see it? Do you really?

>Dr Roman
>Stup- you’re asking this now, Mashu?!
>What if Lancelot comes and yells at me?
>Fou-fou, fou!

So even Solomon himself and Primate Murder are scared of pissing off the strongest non Grand.
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>>170587860
I once had an idea for a Geronimo (Archer) servant waaay back in the day.

I wish we had a better version of Geronimo.
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>>170589684
Transcribe what the line sounds like, unless its too hard.

Go to servant screen and you can replay the line however you want after hearing it once.
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>>170589754
What happens when Mashu gets on Medb's wild ride?
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>>170589840
I know fuckall Japanese and have shit hearing.
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>>170588039
>>170589754
Thanks for the images Melvin. Keep up the spam.
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>>170589813
He's got the same problem as Ozzy basically

"Shit, we probably won't create a lot of pharaohs/Indians, so lets just shove all their lore into this guy basically. Shamans are pretty famous, so lets just go ahead and shove it in there"
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>>170583798
Oh you sweet summer child
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>>170583798
Nah he specifically states that he's writing for Part 2 right now.

Pretty good to see how the writers' improve their writing and character/world-building in FGO. Especially Sakurai's.
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>>170589882
Lancelot gets pissed and not even Grand Caster Solomon and Beast Primate Murder can stop him.
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>>170588029
Traced
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>>170589882
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>>170590242
Who is that bullying Mattu?
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>>170590819
Torisuna
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Gareth-chan when?
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I'm bored
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>>170589505
>>Lancelot froze. He understood Gareth's feelings, but was hesitant to once more do the deed.
We seriously need Lancelot Alter. Even as Berserker he hesitates. If we learned anything from Bob is that Alter is the only way to get rid of weakness.
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>>170591114

I want to pull off Merlin's ahoge and unleash Merlin(Alter)
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>>170591148
>Even as Berserker he hesitates.
no he doesn't, he just loses. Its not the same thing.

He only stalled in the Arthur fight since Kariya ran out of mana right at that moment.
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>>170590875
After Guan (You) 4*
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>>170591312
>no he doesn't
Every single time he says that's the outcome he wanted. He wants to lose. The idiot is subconsciously looking for defeat.

If you knew anything about Fate you would know Mad Enhancement isn't even losing all of sanity. Fucking Heracles has higher ME than Lancelot and still has feelings.
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>>170591312
>Stalled
Guess Independant Action really is the MVP of skills
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>>170591148
Thats the point of his character you idiot. He is a royal fuckup. You take away the human part of him and he becomes a boring ass character that is a mistake to create that no one will like.

People like flawed characters.
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>>170591114
Believe in DW event is near do not lose hope! Peace Peace
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Seal Thirteen, Decision Start !!
" Approve, Bedivière, Gareth, Lancelot, Mordred, Gallahad
””This is a battle to save the world !!"" ......Arthur”

Ex...calibur!!!!
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Roll servant Guda

Guda is whatever gender you aren't at the time

Is a servant from a parallel world who became a hero after defeating Goetia

Has kinky myroom lines for you

Selfcest fics go
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>>170591903
>You take away the human part of him and he becomes a boring ass character
But strong, like Bobmiya. That's what matters. We have seen enough "human" Lancelot, let him loose now, let him use his full power without regrets, like Saber Alter, like Cu Alter, like Alcides.

It's not even hard as he would definitely try to bang Kiara.
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I just downloaded NFS NL because I'm bored as hell. Since when all the fucking mobile games are the same shit?
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>>170592031
His NP Doesn't quite work at 2x speed.
>Decision Start
>Ping ping ping ping
>This is a battle to save the world
>EXSuCALIBAA
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>>170592194
Wait I thought the power level shitposting was a meme

Do you seriously only like Lancelot for his power level?

Poor Lancelot
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>>170592261
Why do you think the Alters exist? Ask yourself that.
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>>170592194
>strong
>That's what matters
Maybe to a 12 year old. A majority of people don't give a shit how strong a character is, Miguel. Only underage people that watch shounen shows care about that. That much is apparent by fanart and popularity shown on twitter and what not. People care about design and personality.

Lancelot got a massive popularity and fan art boost as a character when his Saber version came out because he finally had more story to him and more of a personality rather than the woe is me version in Zero.
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>>170587239
>tfw no capitain

;_;

Why do i even keep trying?
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>>170592031
Seal of shitposting Thirteen, Decision Start !!
" Approve, Jetfag, Sukifag, Jackfag, spreadsheet anon, Clownfag
””This is a post to derail this thread !!"" ......Anonymous”

Arondight is above... WORLD LEVEL!!!!
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>>170592340
Well

Saber Alter seems to represent what would happen if she gave up on her ideal of being a righteous king

Jeanne Alter seemed to be the idea of her giving into hatred rather than retaining her righteous purity before she got meme'd on

Emiya Alter seemed to be Emiya at his worst who finally started to fall apart figuratively and literally

Alters, I figured, were just meant to be representations of the lowest point of a hero who had given up on their own heroism.

Lancelot already sorta has that though with his Berserk variant so, the only reason I'd see to want an Alter for him is to get a better design than his Saberlot trash

But I guess alter's might just be power level bait after all- Whew desu
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Alright I'm starting Shinjuku.

Any tips?
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>>170592595
bring evil servants
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>>170592595
Certain servants get x2 bond from every quest, only during main quests

Its a one time chance.
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>>170592595
Prep for doggo.
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>>170592595
Doggo counts as male, plan accordingly.

Don't kill all 200 guys, you get nothing for it not even bragging rights.
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>>170592403
You again?
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>>170584780
U U
U U
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>>170588392
Honnouji rerun soon.
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>>170592768
Saito when?
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>>170592392
You realize the no character Lancelot was 43rd of all TM, far outranking the likes of Heracles who alsocan had no character?

I can assure you after Saber Lancelot he is not that much popular than he already was.

>>170592565
>Alters, I figured, were just meant to be representations of the lowest point of a hero who had given up on their own heroism.
>Lancelot already sorta has that though with his Berserk variant
I thought Bobmiya was a teaching that even when you think you can't fall any lower, even that thought is wrong. Lancelot can still go lower and lose all the kinds of feelings that still held him back even as Berserker.
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>>170592952
>I can assure you about this thing I have no proof of
wew lad
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>>170592595
I warn you,don't kill Christine
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>>170592753
Any problem?
;_;
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>>170593126
>Lancelot got a popularity boost
>source: my ass
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>>170587336
Servant Sanada Yukimura
Class: Lancer
Strength - D
Endurance - D
Agility - C
Mana - D
Luck - E
Noble Phantasm – C (A+)
Class Skills
Battle continuation - C
Magic Resistance - C
Personal Skills
Bravery - B
Territory Creation – C
Military Strategy (Defense) – C
Kagemusha – A – When Yukimura is receives a fatal blow; he can sacrifice one of the braves to replace him however it does not work once “Number one warrior in Japan” is active.
Noble Phantasm
Brave Ten – Anti Unit/Army/Fortress – C – 10 Weaker Assassin Heroic spirits summoned alongside Yukimura.
Sanadamaru – Anti Fortress (Self) – C (A) - Constructed Via Territory creation and requires 1 days and 1 night to create that provides a bounded field for Yukimura.
Red Clad warriors (Red Demons of War) – Anti Army – C (A+) – The fearsome warriors formerly led by Masakage Yamagata, can only manifest within Sanadamaru or when “Number one warrior in Japan” is active.
“Number one warrior in Japan” – Anti Army – A++ - Yukimura’s trump card NP, can only be activated once at least 8 of the brave ten are dead and sanadamaru has been constructed and destroyed during the present war. This NP requires 3 command spells to activate and a target for Yukimura , grants boost to his parameters as well as enhancing the strength of the red clad warriors, Yukimura perishes after the duration/his target is killed
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>>170592565
What you said originally was right you fucking idiot. Stop being and typing like retarded.

>>170592952
The popularity poll took place right after the Zero anime aired. Those numbers are inflated. Just like if you made a popularity poll of when Camelot just came out, the knights would be way up there. Look at the fanart. That speaks for popularity pretty well. Just like people like Ozzy for his pompous over the top personality and not because he is a walking powerlevel wank. No one cares about that shit. You never hear out of people over the age of 12, " I like him because he can beat everyone up". It's always the design or personality.
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>>170593323
>Class Skills
>Battle continuation - C
>Magic Resistance - C
That's not how class skills work
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>>170593272
>Lancelot gets very minimal fanart
>Saber version comes out and a lot of fanart comes out of different varieties

Months later, now that Camelot came out, why don't you compare the art between Berserker Lancelot and Saber Lancelot. See which one has more.
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>>170587019
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>>170593489
He didn't vote for him
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>>170593323
>Class Skills
>Battle continuation - C
That's not a class skill.
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What dumb servants do you unironically like?
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>>170593556
You don't vote for a king.
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>>170593348
>The popularity poll took place right after the Zero anime aired. Those numbers are inflated.
No they are not. Stop making excuses for your delusions. Extra was released before the poll too and a bunch of Servants in there were fucking irrelevant.

>>170593460
Berserker Lancelot has better art by a whole lot despite no having appeared in a work since 2006. Yeah he is in FGO, but he has barely had any screentime in it.
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>>170593669
How'd you become king then?
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>>170593669
Then how'd he become king then?
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>>170593453
>>170593642
Sorry I didn't know

What should I replace it with?
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>>170584726
I thought Perseus had 5 NPs?
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>>170593348
>Just like if you made a popularity poll of when Camelot just came out, the knights would be way up there.
If you look at the numbers, Camelot actually flopped. So not really.

>You never hear out of people over the age of 12, " I like him because he can beat everyone up"
Check the top and then check the bottom. Have you honestly seen many say they like Mata Hari or Marie?
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Does anyone have a Proto Arthur they'd like to share? I haven't been able to roll him on my main or alt and I don't want him badly enough to spend money and I haven't seen many Arthurs in my friendlist

My FC is 511644808
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>>170593841
>>170593853
Go pull a sword from a rock or something.
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>>170593864
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.org/servant_all.php
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Saber- Roland
Archer- Herne the Hunter
Lancer- Don Quixote
Rider- Hannibal Barca
Assassin- La Voisin
Caster- Koschei
Berserker- Samson

Come up with a better set of servants. I fucking dare you.
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>>170593864
Lancer doesn't have much class skill aside from a few having MR
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>>170593993
Strange swords being pulled from rocks are no basis for a system of government
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>>170593864
Riding
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>>170593705
>Fate Zero ended on June 24, 2012
>Poll took place on July 7th, 2012
>Fate extra came out on July 10, 2010
>CCC didn't come out yet when that poll happened.
Please Melvin you are embrassing yourself. Seeing how you can't do math, it's obvious that you can't count the amount of fanart that zerker Lancelot has gotten since saber lancelot came out. Nearly fucking nothing.
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>>170594124
Either inherit it from someone or win in a competition
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Rin is too strong DW plz nerf
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>>170594231
Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses not from some farcical competition!
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>>170593925
5 NPs, but fewer skills.
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>>170594091
Saber: Signum
Archer: Nanoha
Lancer: Fate
Rider: Lindy
Assassin: 『Takamachi Family』
Caster: Hayate
Berserker: Vita
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>>170594486
This man speaks nonsense I demand he be hanged
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>>170593952
Flavor of the month is also a thing anon. It's universal. When Camelot came out there was a metric shit ton of art of the knights and they were real popular. Then like nearly everything else, it dies down.

>Check the top and then check the bottom. Have you honestly seen many say they like Mata Hari or Marie?
I don't see where you are going with that. I can tell you one Hing though from personal experience, there is an anon in this thread with a level 100 Mata Hari and I have some nip on my FL withso level 100 Marie and level 90 something caster Marie. Perhaps I might be missing them but I haven't seen much grailed lancelots. Especially not the berserker one.
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>>170594218
>CCC didn't come out yet when that poll happened.
I do not remember mentioning CCC. I said Extra. Nero and Tamamo were in that list, if you even knew about the list but of course, as usual, you are only here to shitpost. Talk about embarrassing yourself.

>zerker Lancelot has gotten
>hasn't appeared since Zero
>only a minor role in Orleans and Accel Zero
He got art when he was released in FGO but that's it.
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>>170593323
>“Number one warrior in Japan”
> During the time period when Honda and Musashi were alive

Good joke
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>>170593989
I have a level 50 np2 on my alt, but it's currently installing data.

Don't have the stuff to ascend or level his skills, it being a 8? month old alt I abandoned before it even really got off the ground, but I'm definitely gonna be putting some work in on it so he'll get there. I'll add you later if that'll do.
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>>170594593
You can't expect to wield supreme executive power because some shitter jobbed to you.
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>>170594486
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>>170594597
Yeah Melvin, Extra came out two fucking years earlier. Meaning the hype around the characters died down. Not to mentioned you completely proved that you didn't know when the poll took place and that it took place after Zero, ergo the inflated popularity because of flavor of the month.

Take the last 3 months that just past for a second and go to Twitter and pixiv. Search up Lancelot and compare the art that berserker and saber get. Saber will get a metric shit ton more. That's again, because people like that he has a personality. No one gives a shit about how strong they are.
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>>170594594
>>170594594
>Flavor of the month
Tell that to Gawain in the poll. Oh wait he got like 100 something place despite coming out close to the poll.

>there was a metric shit ton of art of the knights
Art does not equal popularity. Polls do. Art is there to sell the new shit. The new shit may not be popular though.

>Perhaps I might be missing them but I haven't seen much grailed lancelots. Especially not the berserker one.
You are, I barely ever see a Saber Lancelot in the Saber slot. Lots of Lancelot in Berserker though, grailed too.
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>Melvin getting BTFO yet again
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>>170594486
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>>170594207
>>170594108
Servant Sanada Yukimura
Class: Lancer
Strength - D
Endurance - D
Agility - C
Mana - D
Luck - E
Noble Phantasm – A++
Class Skills
Riding - C
Magic Resistance - D
Personal Skills
Bravery - B
Territory Creation – C
Military Strategy (Defense) – C
Kagemusha – A – When Yukimura is receives a fatal blow; he can sacrifice one of the braves to replace him however it does not work once “Number one warrior in Japan” is active.
Noble Phantasm
Brave Ten – Anti Unit/Army/Fortress – C – 10 Weaker Assassin Heroic spirits summoned alongside Yukimura.
Sanadamaru – Anti Fortress (Self) – C (A) - Constructed Via Territory creation and requires 1 days and 1 night to create that provides a bounded field for Yukimura.
Red Clad warriors (Red Demons of War) – Anti Army – C (A+) – The fearsome warriors formerly led by Masakage Yamagata, can only manifest within Sanadamaru or when “Number one warrior in Japan” is active.
“Number one warrior in Japan” – Anti Army – A++ - Yukimura’s trump card NP, can only be activated once at least 8 of the brave ten are dead and sanadamaru has been constructed and destroyed during the present war. This NP requires 3 command spells to activate and a target for Yukimura , grants boost to his parameters as well as enhancing the strength of the red clad warriors, Yukimura perishes after the duration/his target is killed

>>170594684
I didn't give him that title, some shimazu did
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>>170593989
Sent. I'll try make him strong for you
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>>170593989
Got you friend, you should roll him using pic related next time. F2P here and you see I put limited servants more than the non-limited ones in my support. (I'm the KH Lv 99 support)
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Lancelot was a mistake?
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>>170594986
>using pic related
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>>170595031
Yes
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>>170595031
Yeah because he's way overpowered.

How can other servants even compete?
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>>170594902
>Gawain in the poll
What poll? And fanart is definitely an indication of popularity. Jeanne Alter and Scat gets probably the most fanart in the game, and those two, as much as I don't like it, are undisputably the most popular servants out of this game. And I do see berserker Lancelot in the slots, but hardly any grailed or leveled skills. Most of them with kaleidoscope for brainless farming.
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>>170595031
Lancelot was the best thing to ever come in Fate series
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>>170594986
I did always 1. and 4. and I've never ever got anything relevant out of these. My lucky pulls are from weekly tickets or when the Gacha is almost over.
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>>170594986
>TOP TEN GACHA TRICKS THAT DW DOESN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT
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>>170595031
Not really.

Nothing's actually wrong with Lancelot as a servant nor as a plot piece, he works fine and is likeable to some. His art as a Saber is deplorable but that's just art-work which isn't a basis for much.

It's just the shit-posting that's gave him such a nefarious reputation. Take away Melvin and he'd be just another servant.
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>>170595294
Precisely this. He is fine as a character, it's just the fanbase (one guy), that makes him impossible to talk about in a positive light.
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>>170594709
That's fine, I've only got one Arthur on my list at the moment at level 1 so that's better already

>>170594962
Thanks, added!

>>170594986
Added. And thank you for the sick tips, will print out and frame
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>>170594838
>Meaning the hype around the characters died down.
>when it has just come to USA and PAL
Hahaahahahha we sure have a delusional fuck around here.

>inflated popularity
Oh my god why don't you go to /a/ again so everyone can laugh at your delusion once more?

>h-h-hype died down I swear
>Cu is 20
>EMIYA is 3rd
>date 2004
HAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

>Search up Lancelot and compare the art that berserker and saber get. Saber will get a metric shit ton more
>Saber last seen in a major role: Halloween 2016
>Berserker last seen in a major role: 2012 Zero Anime
Cu who is top 20 is not going to be getting art if he has been untouched for years.
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>>170595420
This kind of pictures gives me cancer. Hope you will roll Astolfos until the end of your day
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>>170595520
New player here. Astolfo was my first roll, what's wrong with him? He's kinda cute no homo.
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>>170595520
Why tho
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>>170595420
Kek, now I know why google-chan translate him as Uncle Man Diaz.
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>>170594838
>Take the last 3 months that just past for a second and go to Twitter and pixiv. Search up Lancelot and compare the art that berserker and saber get.
Better yet, rememeber that Nip list from back when Kintoki was still the best Zerker, remember who the people voted for the Berserker who they always took as support? It wasn't Frankestein.

Yes, it was Lancelot.
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>>170595420
Pls explain this picture.
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>>170595609
Nothing. He can solo the final boss after all

>>170595691
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Bh1nm7Ir8c
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>>170595609
he's a shit servant. bad np gain, bad star gen, weak np, weak stats all around.
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>>170595730
Astolfo is truly UNRIVALED.
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>>170595138
>What poll?
The official one, the one that matters, not the one inside your head.

>Jeanne Alter and Scat gets probably the most fanart in the game, and those two, as much as I don't like it, are undisputably the most popular servants out of this game.
Sales say otherwise.

>but hardly any grailed or leveled skills.
I see a ton at lvl 100 with the Barafag CE.
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Just rolled Arthur, how's his NP gain on a scale of Atalanta to Swimsuit Mordred
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>>170595494
>USA and pal mattering in a Japanese poll
>Comparing major characters with a lot of personality from a main work to side character from a side work
>Cu still gets consistent art because he is a super likable character
Yeah no, son. You are only strengthening you position as the village idiot around here. Don't sperg out so much.
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>>170595778
UNRIVALIZADO.
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>melvin winning the argument again
Why do you people bother if all you do is lose? This is worse than Hillary vs Trump.
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>>170595420
No problem. Should I keep him on the Brave CE or change to Professor & Me? I'm not sure what CE to give him.
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>>170595730
Is there any video of this?
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>>170595884
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>>170595138
It's not really the case all the time. Fan artist are a bias group and possibly the one with the strongest voice because they can show something to people using their art skills.

There are people out there who don't know how to draw or their art is not too good, are they not fans?
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>>170595681
What does that prove? This is saber lancelot vs berserker popularity. Other people don't matter.

>>170595813
You mean the official poll from 2012? The one that happened right after the Zero anime aired? Yeah no shit Lancelot would be higher than Gawain. If anything that proves flavor of he month

>Sales
That again proves me right. Scat and Jeanne Alter gacha have been the most successful. Dantes comes in third since he is universally liked almost.

>Lancelot with sumo CE
Excuse me? No one would use that. People bring Lancelot to easier clear a wave. He needs kaleidoscope to even get a glance on friends list.
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>>170595609
There's nothing wrong with any servant as long you love them anon
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>>170595868
>in a Japanese poll
Literally anyone could vote, shitposter.

>Comparing major characters with a lot of personality from a main work
>Cu
>main
Kek

>Cu still gets consistent art
>because he just appeared in Extella and a bunch of Scathach related Interludes.
Check Cu art around the gap between Ataraxia and Extra.
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>>170596089
I think the original video was on nico? I don't remember much since the only streaming I bothered with was the one of the chink losing with the meme team over and over again. I remember there was also one of D'Eon soloing Goetia, but not enough meme to get pics I guess.
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>>170596101
Yet there are people in pixiv or Twitter that can't draw for shit, yet still do. Like the Taiga fan artist.

It's not like all fan artists have the same taste. It's ajust a smaller sample size that can be extrapulated to a larger size to represent the population.
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>>170595609
WAIT WHAT? ASTOLFO IS A GUY?
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>>170596217
>last sub JUST

Everytime, I remember watching this live, what a good night.
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>>170596357
Le secret~
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>>170596105
>The one that happened right after the Zero anime aired?
Excuses from a delusional fuck again, what a surprise. Gawain didn't manage to get in the top 100.

>Scat and Jeanne Alter gacha have been the most successful
You didn't check them did you? Scathach flopped compared to others.

>No one would use that.
Well sorry but if a bunch have it it's for a reason.
>He needs kaleidoscope
Oh so back to memes, literally the only thing you can do when proven wrong. Nice job.
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I wish I had enough sacrificial sheeps to burn to get the FP CE.
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>>170596217
That video is hillarious. It's a sample that even money won't make you easily win the game.
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>>170596201
Again, you really think the small number of people in the West really make a difference? That's funny.

Cu is definitely a main character. Especially in UBW route. Way more relevant than Lancelot is with a lot more screen time.

Cu has always gotten consistent art son. Even when there was a long time between appearances.he is just that popular.

Lancelot however, hardly got any because again, he is a not very popular side character who was voted that high at the time because of the hype from the anime.
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>>170596516
>my Mo-san has been bringing me a lot of FP each time I log in

Feels good to have LB mona lisa desu
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>>170596612
>Cu is definitely a main character
lol
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>>170594091
You really want to do this?

Saber - Galahad
Archer - Gilgamesh (Heracles if you want a working team.)
Lancer - Scat
Rider - Julius Caesar
Assassin - King Hassan
Caster - Merlin
Berserker - Roland
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>>170596471
>Excuses
An excuse that justifies the popularity yes. He was that high because the anime just finished airing and everyone was excited about it. It's not delusion, it's logic. You really think Iskander would place 6th place out of all type moon characters? Of course not. His gacha didn't make nearly as much as Scat's or Jeanne alters, which yes I checked. Both the Scat gachas made them bank.

Also it's common sense that kaleidoscope is the best use for him to clear waves, which is all that people use him for when it comes to supports.
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>>170596612
>you really think the small number of people in the West
Oh so you moved the goalpost now, just perfect.

>Cu is definitely a main character
As much as Diarkek was.

>Cu has always gotten consistent art
Nope, not in the gap where he was nowhere to be found. It's 5 years of not being in the spotlight.

>because of the hype from the anime.
Excuses from a delusional faggot who always gets laughed at in /a/ again, I see.
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>>170596712
Good response.
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>>170596961
lol
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>>170596707
I have LB Mona Lisa on my Drake too. I mean the mashu FP CE.
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>>170597040
I think you can buy it no? For a rare prisma
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>>170597117
Yeah, it costs 3 rare prisms and I don't have enough spare units to burn.
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Missing return gift.
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>>170592156
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>>170594091
Saber: Tiberius
Archer: Indrajit
Lancer: Grim Reaper
Rider: Pestilence
Assassin: Cain
Berserker: Cu Chulainn
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>>170596916
>Moved goalpost
Oh the irony. You are talking about delusional when you are he one being delusional. That's what I've been saying. The amount of people that voted on the west didn't matter, ergo, it didn't matter if it came out recently in the West since the number of people voting is so low

And Cu had a much more prominent role than diarmud did. That's for sure.

>No he hasn't gotten art in the gap
How's it like being blind? Pixiv and all the boorus prove you wrong there. And the only delusional one is you if you think flavor of he month isn't a thing

It's funny too, because you say the same thing about Musashi too. You say that Musashi is flavor of the month yet don't believe that the same applied for Lancelot back in the day? I mean, I like hating on Musashi as much as you but come on man. Be consistent.
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>>170596875
>An excuse that justifies the popularity yes
An excuse you use to shitpost actually. Your meme after Zero means nothing and that's why you don't dare bring it up in /a/ anymore, it's a joke, everyone knows you are fucking delusional and laughs at you for it.

>He was that high because the anime just finished
He was that high because he is that popular.

>You really think Iskander would place 6th place out of all type moon characters?
Yes? At least not far from it. Top 10 for a
Sure.

>His gacha didn't make
Not everyone plays FGO let alone wastes money on it. FGO sales are only relevant to gauge FGO characters.

>kaleidoscope is the best use for him to clear waves
You literally use a Waver to clear waves, aside from the fact that Lancelot has the other use of nuking bosses. Mine nuked Tiamat in a single turn a week ago.
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>>170597183
It's not really worth it anyways just have LB lunchtime and you'll be fine.
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I would take literally any Saber or Berserker over Lanceshit.
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>saver
>not avenger due to being mind broken from the gacha
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>>170597228
Isn't that the one with kinda meh skills and stats but their noble phantasm means they win no matter what?

Nice desu
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Saber - Hijikata Toshizo
Archer - Nasu no Yoichi
Lancer - Guan Yu
Rider - Shingen Takeda
Assassin - Marcus Julius Brutus or Felix Yusupov or Shuten from FGO
Caster - Nostradamus
Berserker - Cu Chulainn
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>>170597398
> Hijikata
> Yoichi

Driftin' nice there buddy
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>>170596325
>Like the Taiga fan artist
There's a dedicated fan artist for Taiga?
I would have never guessed.
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>>170597296
Not him, but I have neither. Which is the Rare Prism FP CE?
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>>170597271
>You are talking about delusional when you are he one being delusional.
I'm not the one looking for whatever excuses I can come up with to discredit the OFFICIAL poll.

>And Cu had a much more prominent role than diarmud did. That's for sure.
Even Nasu described him as a JOBBER. He does fucking nothing in 2 out of 3 routes.

>How's it like being blind? Pixiv and all the boorus prove you wrong there.
From 2005 to 2010 they prove me right actually. There is a noticeable decline.

>You say that Musashi is flavor of the month
I think you are mixing people here. I have only said she is shit. I have even defended her Eye of whatever skill that let's her do impossible shit. I don't use the flavor of the month meme.

I do remember Okitatards saying Scathach was FotM, guess how that went. It's a fucking meme.
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>>170597272
>You
>/a/
I'm sorry you think I'm someone else, but at least there was someone that had common sense. Also going on /a/ past 2012? Really?

>Iskander top 10
Now THATS delusional. Out of all of the type moon characters ever, Iskander in top 10. I'm sure you even had trouble typing that down Melvin. Could have at least made it more believable. Flavor of the month is a thing. Deal with it Melvin. New things are really popular and then most shit dies down. An example that isn't flavor of the month is Scat,Jeanne Alter and Dantes who have been popular since they came out, and they still will be popular for years to come.

>Only relevant on FGO characters
According to you? Yeah, nah.
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>>170592194
>muh strong

You fucking faggot. How do you even live with yourself, spamming the same Lancelot bullshit thread after thread? Are you just baiting for (You)s? If so, good job. You did it. You got all of us. Yet, you keep doing it over and over and over and over again, even resorting to samefagging to try and prove your point, so I'm inclined to think that your shitposting isn't even self-aware. Either way, you must missing at least half your chromosomes.

Tell me about yourself. At this point, I genuinely want to know what kind of person you are. What's your routine when you're not in this general? Regardless of how old you are, you have the mentality of a 13 year old so you probably haven't left the house in months. Your parents are probably getting pretty tired of you staying in the house literally all day and night, but you probably pay them no heed as you go back to browsing 4chan after they tell you to go back to school or get a job for the umpteenth time. How does it feel to have a whole general utterly revile you? You probably get a kick out it, but how long does that feeling last? Do you feel happy when you go to sleep at 10 in the morning after a long night of shitposting? Do you feel happy when you wake up at 6 at night and wait for you family to finish eating before wobbling into the dining room to fetch your dinner? How do you feel when you look into a mirror once every few months when you go into a bathroom to take a shower? Are happy being this piece of human refuse who can't even have a nice discussion about Fate with the rest of us?

>inb4 lol
>inb4 kek
>inb4 lmao
>inb4 autism

Please, please kill yourself.
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>>170587217
>Onee-Chan Event
>has Stheno and Euryale rank-ups

Nee-chan (False) Event when?
>Medusa, Boudicca, Nito and Quetz rank ups
>3* Lazy nee CE
>4* Lap pillow CE
>5* Nursing Handjob CE
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OG Jetfag was more literate desu
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Damn, somehow I managed to fail to get the fluffy 3* CE from the Gacha and the hoarded FP I had ;_;

If any of you farms doors frequently and would like to use my Drake or really any of my supports give me your friendcode and I will add you
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>>170597578
lol
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>tfw I kinda like Musashi now
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>>170594091
Saber Lancelot
Lancer Scathach
Archer Arash
Rider Quetzal
Caster Merlin
Assassin Kerry
Berserker Beowulf
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>>170597649
There you go again with your "original" jetfag bullshit.
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I fucking hate moriarty first and second cape holy shit. Why the fuck does it bend like that when it's moving around.
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>>170597561
And who votes on those polls? People. And most people follow the flavor of the month. That is obvious human nature. People are interested in new things. Then something else catches their attention and they move onto something else. You saying it's delusional is like fighting against human nature and psychology.

Cu's showing in UBW is what solidified him as a central character in that route. He did more in that route than Diarmud did in all of Zero. I will agree that he didn't do much in the other routes.
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>>170597464
Thanks. Yoichi's fan trick was the only notable Archer I could think of off the top of my head and I like the Demon Vice Commander, he's /fa/ as fuck. The only things I might change would be to make Kawakami Gensei the Assassin or Uesugi Kenshin the Saber. Normally I think that would break the "no gods" rule but FGO did that first.
The rule was made to ban Jesus and YHWH, oops I guess?
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>>170597398
>Cu Chulainn
>the greatest berserker
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>>170596796
>>170597772
>Scat
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>>170597578
>Expecting Melvin to read all that
Put it in Spanish and maybe he will. Unless his 12 year old attention span gets the better of him.

But either way, I agree with you.
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>>170597668
042,558,714
Always need more maxed Mona Lisas, especially now that I'm down to 5m.
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>>170597561
>Nasu called Cu a jobber
Source on that claim?
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>>170597574
>I'm sorry you think I'm
Doesn't matter who it was, it was stupid and delusional, people laughed at it for being retarded.

>Now THATS delusional
Uhm, the OFFICIAL poll says otherwise. I don't need to say more. Last time I checked retarded anon from fgog was not the official pollster.

>According to you?
According to the official poll.
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>>170597668
>Those supports
I'm going to barf.
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>>170597860
Name a better one.
>Samson
No rage, just magic dreadlocks and whining to god when you told your enemy your weakness and they used it
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>>170597882
Scat has better stats than Gilgamesh.
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>>170598006
>Official poll proves that the Fgo gacha revenue doesn't matter
Huh, I guess you have to be retarded for it to make sense.
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>>170597398
>Put Shingen in
>Not as Caster with FUURINKAZAN each representing a general
>Not putting Guan Yu on Rider
>Not putting Kenshin on Saber
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>>170597668

447,246,446
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>>170597830
>flavor of the month
Oh boy here we go with the delusion again.

>Cu's showing in UBW is what solidified him as a central character in that route.
He fought EMIYA and died to Kirei. Wow, so central.

>He did more in that route than Diarmud did in all of Zero
He actually showed up less.
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>>170597668
729,462,515
I could definitely use more Mona Lisa Captains. Thanks anon
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>>170597860
He was a far stronger warrior in his warp spasms than he was normally, considering he's glorified to be a pretty high tier Lancer that should make him as Berserker pretty top even ignoring the Alter variant which is factually pretty damn powerful
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>>170598070
Samson would make a better Saber, especially if he had some Invisible Air type ability.
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>>170598092
>stats
>relevant
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>>170598112
>not a poll
Yeah, doesn't matter. Give me a poll. Not everyone plays FGO.
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>>170598189
>muh warp spasms Cu

Come on suprised saberfag, less shitposting, more fanfic writing.
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>>170597918
Yeah, I just felt like venting a bit since some anons were futilely trying to have a discussion with him and Melvin doesn't deserve that courtesy.

I didn't think he would read any of it, but knowing Melvin, he'd just have to respond. And lo and behold, he responded exactly like I thought he would.
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>>170598151
Shingen is more famous for his cavalry. Guan Yu is also famous for his halberd. Also see >>170597843 I was tempted badly.
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>>170597978
Fate Extra Material:

>Barbed Spear that Pierces with Death [Noble Phantasm] Gae Bolg.

>Lancer’s anti-personnel noble phantasm.

>A cursed crimson spear with the infamous reputation of always going through the heart when thrust. What it actually does is reversing causality, the spear being thrust after the outcome of striking the heart is established. When its true power is invoked with its true name, Lancer’s crimson spear gains the outcome of already striking the heart before being thrust. It didn’t hit because it was thrust, it hit so it was thrust, an attack on destiny itself. What is needed to dodge Gae Bolg isn’t high agility but the power to reverse fate before the activation of Gae Bolg: high luck.

>While it’s strictly anti-personnel and specifically targeting the heart, it’s a top-notch power that decides fate. It’s a noble phantasm a step away from being an authority, but it's no surprise that it is for its welder Cu Chulainn is the child of a god.

>You shouldn’t take him lightly just because he's a jobber.
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>>170598174
>>170598006
Flavor of the month is a thing Melvin. Deal with it. It's human nature. Do some research or read a damn book on human psychology.

You cannot get someone's objective opinion on something right after they finish whatever is in question because bias will occur. You have to wait a bit u til it settles. That's basic logic 101, not that I would expect you to know what that is.
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>>170598092
>proto Cu instead of Cu Alter
0/10
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>>170597978
While it’s strictly anti-personnel and specifically targeting the heart, it’s a top-notch power that decides fate. It’s a noble phantasm a step away from being an authority, but it's no surprise that it is for its welder Cu Chulainn is the child of a god.
You shouldn’t take him lightly just because he's a jobber.
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>>170598337
His computer is corrupted and he'll lose most of it if it isn't fixed properly, leave him be.
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>>170598174
Nice wording to make him seem less important. Try:
Held off Emiya that let Rin and Shirou beat Medea and Kuzuki.
Kill Kirei and saving Rin
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>implying any of this is relevant

Fact of the matter is casters > martials. Always.

Solomon >= Merlin > literally everyone.
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>>170597971
>>170598156
>>170598180


Alright I got you
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>>170594108
>Lancer doesn't have much class skill
Class skills are always the same, which is why we said it was wrong. Even for Li Shuwen who has no PC skill, its still forced to take up a slot for him as Assassin. For Lancer its Riding and MR.
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>>170598260
>Has to be a poll, fan art and how much money a character makes is irrelevant
Oh Melvin, you never ceases to reach a new low.

>>170598340
It's kinda funny and sad how predictable he is. At least it makes it easy to filter him.
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>>170598419
>Flavor of the month is a thing
I'm sure it's real for you, dammit.

But the numbers sadly say otherwise.
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>>170598459
Proto Cu is the one that's big on Scathach while Cu Alter is disliked by Scathach.
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> Tfw only hope for a Scottish servant worth anything is Wallace
> Fucking hate Wallace

Sucks lads
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>>170598386
>Shingen is more famous for his cavalry
Takeda's cavalry, the cavalry that worked fine without Shingen

Shingen is the soul of Takeda, Takeda is strong because of all the powerful vassals he gathered, most representation of him use a fan sitting on a stool.

I think Shingen suits caster better since he's a strategist who can summon powerful Heroic Spirits and abilities in order to match against Kenshin who would be saber or berserker. It'll be a clash of two completely different style of fighting.
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>>170598459
>Chinkgo

they dont have black dog
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>>170582337
I failed, I didn't get Arthur, time to leave it all behind
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>>170598417
>While it’s strictly anti-personnel and specifically targeting the heart, it’s a top-notch power that decides fate. It’s a noble phantasm a step away from being an authority, but it's no surprise that it is for its welder Cu Chulainn is the child of a god.

NP interlude where it makes that final step and kills Scathach when?
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>>170598610
>I will base popularity on these things that don't include the entire fanbase, yes, this surely matters more than the official poll
Vocal small fanbases are a thing. Polls get rid of those.
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Mashu > Lancelot
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>>170598636
>tfw Australian
>no servants ever
>tfw a little bit happy about this because it means we'll never get an token apology petrol elemental
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>>170598767
> Implying you won't get Avenger Steve Irwin in ten years
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>>170598814
I was about to post this.
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>>170598618
Yes the numbers are unreliable and biased because of flavor of the month. It's fact for a large majority of the population. You can take the positions and numbers for non zero characters, non fate characters (except mahoyo) and maybe the extra characters as proof of popularity.

But the zero anime and mahoyo VN just came out at the time and there is going to be bias. That's obvious. You can't be suggesting to take biased numbers as proof.
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>>170597668
180,299,726 my supports are trash tho
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>>170598610
>Saber is 1
>didn't sell jack shit
Uhm...
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>>170598767
We could get a fusion like Hessian and Lobo

Steve Irwin riding on Great Emu War General when
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>>170598724
>All this talk of Gae Bulg
>Can't even IK a Gold Hand reliably
How fucking strong are Gold Hands? Would they be city leveling monsters?
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>>170598831
Irwin hive-mind
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>>170598736
And right back at you, some people probably didn't vote on the poll. And are you saying that small fanbases are the major source of the millions of dollars that they make per gacha? That's an outrageous claim which would be a stretch to believe.
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>>170598848
>are unreliable and biased
>because I don't like the results
lol

It's the OFFICIAL poll. You know what's not official? Your worthless opinion. I can kind of see why you believe you know more than Nasu now though.
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>>170597668
991,303,374
I'm new to the game so I only have 3 garbage supps
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>>170598861
Release servant. Most people who wanted her rerolled for her. That makes sense.
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> After the withdrawal, Major Meredith compared the emus to Zulus and commented on the striking maneuverability of the emus, even while badly wounded.

> "If we had a military division with the bullet-carrying capacity of these birds it would face any army in the world... They can face machine guns with the invulnerability of tanks. They are like Zulus whom even dum-dum bullets could not stop."
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>>170598972
>Human nature and science is my opinion
Holy shit. I'm speechless. I thought after a while you would stop replying to make yourself not seem so dumb, but is there an end? Is he endless like that sword he masterbates to?
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>>170598527
>muh rpg mechanics

Close but no cigar. Rider is the strongest class because they combine the best of Casters (NP spam) with marital skill.

>>170598767
>not Avenger Ned Kelly to keep Billy company and bully the Cus for not hating Brits enough
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>>170598945
>some people probably didn't vote on the poll
A lot did and didn't require a paywall to express their opinion

>And are you saying that small fanbases are the major source of the millions of dollars that they make per gacha
See the autist who stole from his parents and got killed over Scathach.
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>>170599182
One person. Which is not even a fraction of what they make per gacha. It definitely isn't enough
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>>170597668
855 025 901
Thank you!
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>>170599145
>I surely know more about polls than the people contracted to do the official TM poll, trust me
Yeah that's nice and all Mr. Professional poll master.
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>>170599080
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Have we had any updates on Empire of Dirt?

Haven't seen it posted for a while
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>>170599332
You don't need to know about polls to know what bias is Melvin. You can be the God of polls and conduct a poll right after a part of a franchise was animated was released, it won't change the fact that the characters from that animated work will be more popular at that particular poll

It's science Melvin. Human nature. Are you going to go against that? Say you don't believe in science and I'll stop replying to you and say you win. That's all I need to hear.
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>>170599443
Major Meredith as a servant when, his final noble phantasm turns him into a invincible emu, a phantasm he'd never use unless you force him to with a command seal
>>
Do you get free golden apples everyday?
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>>170599515
"Science"
"Human nature"

Not even him but you're literally trying to argue that you objectively are the voice of scientific reason with your arm-chair psychiatry? You're being as absurd as he is by this point.
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>tfw your country's history is so irrelevant in the world there would be no heroic servant from there

I have no proud whatsoever in my country, but if only there is one servant comes out of it, maybe I'll like it a bit better
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>>170599626
I wish
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>>170599626
Hah, if only
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>>170598720
>Chinkshit
Why do these faggots post here?
We don't care about their outdated, inferior garbage
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>>170599443
>>170599550
Stop with the reddit posting.
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>>170599658
What country are you from, every country with history has some kind of myth that could be used.
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>>170597578
>this much projecting
Just so you know I'm 22 and I'm in my last year of college. Total score of 93 so far, no Harvard tier but enough for me.

But I can see why you would feel so bad about yourself if you have to deal with all the shit in this post. Christ.
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Lancer Magellan vs Saber Lapu-Lapu when?
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>>170599748
Sorry I'll get right back posting about powerlevels.
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>>170599748
> The Great Emu war is Reddit

I'll give you a solid minute to explain that one champ,
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>>170599657
I'm not trying to place myself higher than just a guy who knows science. I've read a lot of papers on logic and human science that shows that you cannot ask for someone's opinion or thought on something after an event occurs and treat it as fair. There is always bias with new phenomena. How can one argue against that?

I will agree that it's not everyone. Hell Robin Hood is one of my favorite servats years after Extra came out, but it's not flavor of the month bias clearly. But at the time if you asked me, it might have been.
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>>170599780
And I studied film in college and understand how to look at things on an objective level,whats your point?
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>>170599515
>You can be the God of polls and conduct a poll right after a part of a franchise was animated was released, it won't change the fact that the characters from that animated work will be more popular at that particular poll
Yeah and you think they will make the official poll right there knowing the numbers would be inflated. Suuure.

Just face it faggot, there is no inflated numbers shit, you made that up to feel better about the fact that Servants you don't like scored high. Your Cuckwain flopped hard along with Nero, not even EMIYA could carry the weight of how unpopular he is.
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>>170599838
It's "lol so randumb" the event.
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>>170598636
Why don't you like Wallace? I like Wallace, of course mainly because of his depiction in Braveheart
But I'm hoping so much there would be one of him

>>170599753
Indonesia, I am so ashamed to post this
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>>170599972
>understand how to look at things on an objective level
>doesn't think Lancelot is UNRIVALED
Go back to college because it clearly didn't work for you.
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>>170599951
No doubt a good number of the votes were because the anime just came out, I'll give you that. Simple reason will tell anyone that.

But to try and argue straight-out that Berserkerlot only got that high in the poll because of flavor of the month status is Alot of unjustified assumption.

What is true is that for a time, he got alot of art. His design is still commonly found whenever someone looks for the stereotypical dark knight and his jet fight with Gil still comes up a lot when people are asked for their favorite Fate fight.

Till another poll is conducted, we won't have exact figures, once one is Then we can make a Informed conclusion.

Till then though all that can be said from an objective stand-point is that, at the moment, Saber Lancelot gets more art.

Though again you could argue that's just symbiosis setting in from his relationship with Mashu.

We'll see.
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>>170598851
>>170598998
>>170599264

Got you guys as well
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>>170600104
Yes they would because why would they care? They did the poll for fun and fan service not to actually see what character was the most popular and conduct experiments off of that. It was a fan event for the fans.

>That whole second paragraph
Didn't even make it past the first sentence. Buzzwords are pointless, they carry no weight in an argument.

Like I said, say you don't believe in science and I'll let you go. You are disputing human nature here. U less you are saying aliens voted, in which case I will also back off and let you go.
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>>170600127
>Indonesia
>no history

Just chose between Ibn Battuta or the guy from Civ.
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>>170599456
Other than Scat's magic bike, Maple's been too busy leveling his new Arthur.
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>>170599780
>takes 40 minutes to think of another response after "lol"
>best you can do is "You're projecting! I'm a successful college student!"
Sasuga Melvin
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>>170600287
I mean, the fact that he got only 43 when the anime came out is kinda like low. But yeah he isn't by any means one of the lowest popularity characters like say RanRu but still nowhere near the top 100 nowadays. At least not Berserker Lancelot. Saber Lancelot is more likable and more recent so has more hype.
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>>170600127
When you live in Scotland, especially around independence debate times, the streets are literally constantly quoting Wallace and the damn Braveheart ost is on literally everywhere. People walk around with the dumb fucking facepaint on.

It becomes insanely obnoxious and really sullied my feelings about him. Especially when in real history he wasn't anywhere near the bold warrior they tried to play him off as in the film which so many morons buy into.

Also Indonesia has some cool myths pre-Hindu influence, you'll probably get something eventually.
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>>170600358
>They did the poll for fun and fan service
>not to see what character was the most popular
>POPULARITY poll

>outright ignoring the facts because a Servant you like scored like shit, AGAIN
This is even funnier.
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>>170599658
I know that feel, my country has some folklores but they are all so obscure that they'll never get used by the Nips.
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>>170600371
Ibn Batutta is moroccan

And the guy from civ is Gajah Mada
Sure, he is the biggest history figure in Indonesia
But he unlikely will be noticed by Nasu
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>>170600107
> Historical event is now lol so randumb
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>>170600512
But that lol wasn't me? Are you really so delusional you believe only one person would lol at such a huge wall of text? That's pasta tier, I wouldn't be surprised if you filled all 2000 characters.
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>>170600659
We already know you samefag, it's okay Melvin.
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I don't care about your countries, I'm just happy that Poland will never be relevant in Fate.
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>>170600550
>but still nowhere near the top 100 nowadays
>2chan does a Berserker poll and Lancelot scored No. 1 and beat Kiyohime
Kek
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>>170600557
A popularity poll can be conducted for the fans. It's not a purely business side of things. A poll is a fun event where the masses can participate. Obviously they aren't going to care if it's going to make their event more popular and make them more money. It's service Melvin. If it truly was to see who is the most popular, with intent on capitalizing on the result, they would have waited. They obviously don't need it since TM makes mad money

>outright ignoring the facts because a Servant you like scored like shit, AGAIN
Huh? You really have a paranoia problem. You think that a lot of the posters here are the same people
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>>170600307
Thanks
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Kohaku and Hisui!
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>>170600774
Gameplay skews the result. The original argument was popularity of the CHARACTER. Not the unit.
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>>170600706
I know you call eveything you don't like Melvin, don't worry. You accepted it a week ago, I saw it. Must be fun calling someone who had fucking Gilgamesh in his supports """"Melvin"""".
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>>170600569
>tfw your country biggest figure is literally Lancelot 3.0
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>>170597578
Damn anon, it hurts how you just described my life excluding the lancelot shitposting ;¬;
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George is the strongest servant.
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>>170600619
>>170600972
Why are you posting pictures of my sister in law molesting my wife?

>>170600713
Same. Polaboos are the cancer killing /his/
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>>170600904
>We need more extra class servants
fixed
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>>170600792
>>170600792
>A poll is a fun event where the masses can participate.
>literally just voting
>fun
Kek this guy. Doesn't even know what else to make up in order to deny reality.

>If it truly was to see who is the most popular, with intent on capitalizing on the result, they would have waited
No need to wait because the result would have been the same, and they knew it.

>You think that a lot of the posters here are the same people
You got defensive when Gawain was mentioned to have scored like shit not even scoring top 100.
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>>170600904
>so many Casters but 70% of them are worthless
JUST
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>>170600127
>>170600631
There is an interesting hero in Java.
I don't expect he and Gajah mada as SR nor SSR, but at least *3 will be good enough.
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>>170600861
>Gameplay
I thought you usually said Lancelot was shit gameplaywise? So which is it?

>The original argument was popularity of the CHARACTER
Same can be said about your sales.
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>>170601053
I thought the style looked familiar, turns out it's from the same artist that drew designs for KamiAsobi. Damn they improved a lot.
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>>170600862
Yes, you're right. Everything I don't like is Melvin. It is fun getting these (You)s though. Keep talking to me.
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>>170601102
yeah, like her mom
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>>170600958
As long as you're not Melvin, you're a-okay in my book anon.
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>>170600958
>this is a Gilcuck or a waifutard
Makes me feel even better knowing that.
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>>170601053
and this one is from the nap ce artist.
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>>170601040
Surprise, you might be a broken and deficient individual but when a company host an event where the public can influence something, people jump right on it. It's fun, yes. Do you know what that is? People like popularity contests and like voting.

They wouldn't know because of the bias

And I didn't defend Gawain, I defended my claim that he is low on the poll because extra came out years before and the west vote doesn't mean much because of the low number of Westerners vs Japanese people that partake in Fate media.
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>>170601140
I'm not the same person anon. Please get that "everyone who disagrees with me is the same person" mentality checked out it isn't healthy.
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>>170601260
Has this artist done anything else?
Artstyle looks familiar
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>>170601151
(You)

>>170601293
>where the public can influence something
I thought you said the numbers were inflated therefore irrelevant? What's the influence then?

>It's fun, yes
>voting
>fun
I don't even know what to say at this point. You have lost your mind.

>because of the bias
Bias that is only real to you.

>the west vote doesn't mean much
B-B-BUT MY INFLATED

Gawain got around 100 votes, cuck.
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>There are still people who unironically reply to jetfag (emphasis on not having a plural)
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>>170601379
>I'm not the same person
Yeah definitely not jetfag here too.
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>>170600904
>all that god tier art for shitty servants

Farewell my ascension mats.
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>>170601570
Ah, another (You). You just can't help yourself can you? Keep them coming, I haven't had my fill yet.
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>>170601570
>I thought you said the numbers were inflated therefore irrelevant? What's the influence then?
I don't even know where to begin. Do you even know what you just posted? People influence polls by voting.

Popularity polls are a really popular thing because it gives the people the power to vote for their favorites. Seeing their favorite character up top or seeing what other people think is popular is fun. Are you really this much of a broken person to not understand why a poll could be fun? Not that I'm really that surprised though.

The votes for the Zero characters and Mahoyo are inflated because they just came out. Have you lost track of previous claim to support you delusions?

Bias is science and human nature Melvin, you have yet to dispute that. Say you don't believe in science already. That's all you need to do and you win this argument you are so close.
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I thought of a way to save quartz properly

I'll just never cash them in from my inbox until the servant I want comes out.
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>>170602046
That's what I do. Works out pretty great.
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>>170602046
Wow, you're awesome anon-kun!
I never thinking about that.
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>>170601967
>Popularity polls are a really popular thing because it gives the people the power to vote for their favorites.
Which one of them is Iskander. And Lancelot is 43 far above Herakles at 10X

>The votes for the Zero characters and Mahoyo are inflated because they just came out.
Oh no, so they are not influencing anything then? Becuse the poll is irrelevant according to one retard in an imageboard? Sad!

>Bias is science and human nature Melvin
Yah that sure went well for Okitafags.
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>>170601886
Is Moriarty a better mathematician than Sion?
Can Moriarty beat Archimedes in a math-off?
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>>170602046
Will it not expire?
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>>170600904
I never realised I had so many casters.
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>>170602046
Thanks for the idea my good man
Will do from now
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>>170602158
Yes they are rated high because again, perhaps after the 50th time you'll get it through that deficient brain, of the new popularity bias.

Influencing the poll and it being relevant are two different things. I know English isn't your strong suit so I'll forgive you for that. And it's irrelevant because again, bias.

"Okitafags" said what again? That Musashi was flavor of the month? Well, while the drop wasn't that immense, she did by no means reach the massive popularity that Scat or Dantes did. She doesn't receive as much art as she did her release week, which is obvious because of again, flavor of the month bias. It's all around you Melvin. It's science. Just admit you don't believe in it
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>>170602250
Only after 365 days, so you'll be fine as long as you're not waiting for Byrn.
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>>170602245
I want to see a gathering of Type-Moon mathematician.
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Is this guy alright?
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>>170602540
You already know the answer so why even post this trash?
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>>170602540
He has good taste in waifus. Fucked up big time with Shiki's skills.
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>>170602420
>the new popularity bias
So they are not influencing anything because according to you and you only, the poll is irrelevant. So it was all axavier big waste of time. Many such cases!

>"Okitafags" said what again?
Okitafag said Scathach was FotM.

>It's science
Yeah again, sure worked for Okitafags. You still haven't given a good reason for Lancelot beating Kiyohime in the 2chan poll. I mean you say Herakles is teh best right? Why wasn't he anywhere near 1st?
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>>170602751
im waiting for 3x speed desu
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>>170602751
Only if I get a new servant.
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>>170602420
>she did by no means reach the massive popularity that Scat or Dantes did
>She doesn't receive as much art as she did her release week

>says official polls are irrelevant
>but sales from a game in which only a minority plays and buys, are what matter
>but at the same time, art is what matters
>Musashi has less art than Scathach but sold much more
>sweating intensifies
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>>170602718
I don't think you know what influencing means.
>The capacity to have an effect on the character, development or behavior of someone or something , or the effect itself.
They are influencing the poll by voting in it. That's it.

Ah, well if what you say is true, although I'm skeptical and you might have just made it up, Scat is not flavor of he month and that is proven by he constant amount of art she gets. Lancelot and the other Zero characters don't really get that amount of attention. That kind of supports my claim that Lancelot and the other Zero characters were flavor of the month at the time of the poll.

>You say Herkles is the best right?
Wow literally when did I say that. Are you sober right now?
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>>170602908
>Scat made less money than Musashi
>Minority plays this game
Too much bait in one post with no source.
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>>170602718
>Axavier
>Teh
Deep breaths Melvin. Don't get too riled up over that guy wrecking you.
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>>170603029
>, Scat is not flavor of he month and that is proven by he constant amount of art she gets. Lancelot and the other Zero characters don't really get that amount of attention.

Not that guy but the fuck are you on? Kerry gets almost the same amount of art as Shirou for how little he appeared and I'm pretty sure there are more art for Iskandar than Herc/Kojiro.
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>>170602908
>Musashi has less art than Scathach but sold much more

Musashi's gacha made more money because of New Years rank ups my friend.
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>>170603029
>They are influencing the poll by voting in it.
The point was fun. They are not influencing shit because the poll being irrelevant to you alone negates any credibilitt of it ever. So as it was a waste of time, it was not fun.

>although I'm skeptical
So you literally just accepted you came straight from reddit and weren't around here by the time Okitatards vs Scatfags happened.

>art
Vocal minority.

>Lancelot and the other Zero characters don't really get that amount of attention.
Because they haven't been in the spotlight in a while.

>Wow literally when did I say that.
You always say it faggot. Oh right I forgot I'm not jetfag I'm totally a different person totally not pretending.
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>>170603238
Kerry, if not for the new servant addition, would be a lot less popular. Adding newer versions of people bring the former one into the spotlight a bit.

If that is the case, then perhaps because Iskander is more popular than Herc and Kojiro. Which I wouldn't doubt. Iskander is a popular character I will not doubt that,but his place as #6 is outdated. It's just my opinion, but I believe he'd be in the top 30 at most. Especially considering the amount of characters that has been added to the Nasuverse since the poll was made
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>>170602540
>those lewd looks from Jeanne, Kuro, and Illya
It's like they want me to fuck them
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>>170603205
>resorting to samefagging again because you realized you ran out of arguments
By the way I'm not Melvin
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>>170603467
You're severely underrating Fate/Zero's popularity.
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>>170603128
>he hasn't seen it
>he actually believes a majority plays this crap when even mentioning it somewhere else makes everyone take a dump on you

>>170603256
No, sales show she sold more.
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>>170603690
Give me the breakdown for the week to back that up.
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>>170602540
>filename

Huh, where did you get that from?
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>>170603658
What can you expect from the Lancelot hater. He says sales matter. But Zero sold twice what UBW sold. But UBW characters are more popular than Zero characters.

He contradicts himself at every turn.
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>>170603680
>tfw you will never be the succubus daughter of the greatest wizard known to man

bad feel dudes
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>>170603680
I like my doujins scanned, tyvm.
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>>170603427
>The point was fun. They are not influencing shit because the poll being irrelevant to you alone negates any credibilitt of it ever. So as it was a waste of time, it was not fun.
I'm not even going to try and decipher this one. Can someone who is watching this discussion please try and elaborate on what this means? I don't think it's english. Not trying to be insulting Melvin, since I don't stoop to insults like you, but I really don't think you typed what you meant.

Being new doesn't mean you came from reddit. Unless you think it's black and white that you had to have been playing since release or not play at all.

Artists don't all have the same taste. Taste varies with all the artists. It's a small sample size but can be extrapulated to represent the population in a sense. A vocal minority means they all have the same taste.

They don't get attention because they aren't in the spotlight, and therefore not popular. Artist don't have to draw people that are in the spotlight. They draw who they like.

And please, don't assume that everyone is the same person. We are anonymous here, and the only way to tell people apart are by their posting style. Yours, although you might not like to admit it, is very consistent. You post the same images, the same buzzwords like "cuck" "kek" and "meme" in a hostile way and you expect people not to know it's you? You should work on your judgment my friend.
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Should I buy Extella?
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>>170603467
>Especially considering the amount of characters that has been added to the Nasuverse since the poll was made
Lancelot beat Kiyohime in 2chan. Let that sink.
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>>170603841
Absolutely.

t. Nasu-chan
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>>170603658
No, I know it's real popular. Especially with secondaries. But however, a lot of secondaries don't go to type moon events or keep up with type moon. However, claiming that the popularity poll from 2012 when the Zero anime finished would be really close to what it would be now is crazy.
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>>170603807
>I'm not even going to try and decipher this one
Oh so you just gave up. Good.

>Being new
Oh so confirmed redditor. Fuck off.

>It's a small sample size
Good, so small minority. A lot of artists just happened to like X character and made tons of art.

>don't assume that everyone is the same person
I'm a different person from the one you replied 5 minutes ago too.

>only way to tell people apart are by their posting style
Yeah and you are a rabid lancelot hater aka gilfag.
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>>170603926
See >>170603775
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>>170603926
Japanese fans who read Zero are primaries.
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>>170603775
>>170604115
Fuck off Melvin, I like Zero better but Gil >>> Kekalot
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>>170603680
There are a few on the panda IIRC.
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>>170603891
Why should I though, Nasu--chansama?
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>>170604309
>Lancelot beat Gilgamesh using only a pair of chopsticks
BTFO
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>>170604390
Because Nero is the best. Also Altera and stuff.
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>>170604115
Your English wasn't comprehensible man. Clear it up and state the point or you give up on backing up your claim.

>New=reddit
And here I thought you wanted to have a decent conversation about the popularity of your favorite character. Good to know that all you've said was just for the sake of trolling.

Actually most artists draw a variety of characters only a small few actually draw one person only. And like I said, they don't have the same taste so you can extrapulated. You can look up what that means since I know you don't know.

>If you disagree with me you hate Lancelot and if you hate Lancelot you like Gil
Nah, I actually think Lancelot is a decent character. You are massively overrating his popularity though and refuse to see how the bias makes it an unreliable poll.

I'll tell you what. When the new poll comes out, and Berserker Lancelot places top 50, you can screenshot this and laugh at me for all eternity.

>>170604202
You are comparing the sales of a show to the amount of money a character themselves made. It's different entirely.
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Actual Nasu here. Lancelot is unrivaled and strongest Saber, strongest non grand Servant and even Solomon and Primate Murder fear him.
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>Yokotaro mobage
Collab when?
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>>170604519
>It's different
>because I said so
Shows sells more because the characters in it are more popular.
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>>170604473
I like Altera and stuff.
Can you send me a giant Altera gf with my purchase?
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>>170604680
Not necessarily. It could be characters, it could be plot, it could be bonuses that the BD brings. It's a multitude of things that no one can say for sure what the reason is.

While gacha money is precisely because of the character that is on rate up. No dispute there. Unless you want to say that people spend money for certain CES on rate up.
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Acktchually Altera, Sefar-killing Arturia, and Galahad (True) are the strongest Sabers. Lancelot isn't even on Siegfried or Rama's level.

Berserker Lancelot isn't even a blip on the RADAR.
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True Nasu here. The underlying theme of Fate was the joy of cookery and therefore culinary ability is the only powerlevel you need to discuss de gozaru.
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>>170604519
>New
>not reddit
What then? Facebook? Tumblr? That's even worse.

>And here I thought you wanted to have a decent conversation about the popularity of your favorite character
ThisI would have been over long ago if you stopped being delusional and accepted that official polls > your worthless opinion, but it's no wonder the same idiot who believes he knows more than Nasu and materials would argue against official stuff.

>Actually most artists draw a variety of characters only a small few actually draw one person only.
Of course but many just happen to like the same.

>You are massively overrating his popularity though
>literally because I said so
lol

>When the new poll comes out
Yeah but for now we use the one we currently have.
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Gilgamesh Saber is the strongest Saber.
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Ah, finally some peace. Let's keep it this way.
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>>170604958
Does Shirou master the three great cuisine ?
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>>170604780
Yeah people all spend Quartz on CE instead of the characters. Also gameplay reasons not popularity.
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>>170604958
>Shirou is the Iron Chef
>literally and figuratively
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>>170605110
>grailed Deermud

r a r e
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Lancelot Alter will be part of the 7 swordsmen Order and he will be stronger than the Grand Servants.
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Who is this dog? There's no way this is Lobo before he got corrupted by vengeance, right?
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>>170604970
Or how about none? How about from /a/ who learned about this game late? Social media isn't a universal thing. Not everyone has to be part of a social media club.

Bias is not my opinion. You have yet to refute science and human nature, which obviously you can't since it's impossible. This would've been over hours ago if you say you don't believe in science or human nature.

>Many like the same thing
Because it's popular. Wow, who would've have thought

And no it's not because I said so, it's because logic dictates that it's not a reliable poll because of the bias. That is why you cannot say that the popularity of the Zero characters or the Mahoyo characters are as they are. Just like if they made a poll right this second, the Shinjuku servants and proto Arthur would be inflated.
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>>170605180
Maybe his waifu ?
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>>170605040
One day he does, after he grows powerful enough to control Unlimited Utensil Works.
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1900 rule will be broken soon
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>>170604958
Finally, Sakura is indisputably best girl.
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Arcueid is still the strongest not including ORT.
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>>170605063
Yeah but people hardly whale for CEs. Also gameplay helps popularity. You can bet your ass off that Waver owes a lot of popularity to a lot of people using him
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>>170605110
>grailed deermud
>grailed gilles
(You)
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>>170605180
Yeah thats him.Its before he realized that human and beast are destinated to kill each other
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>>170605229
>How about from /a/
Except /a/ hates this game, newfag redditor.

>You have yet to refute science and human nature
That's what Okitafags said.

>Because it's popular
No, because they just happened to like it. Circlejerk shit. Still a minority.

>it's because logic dictates
Logic dictates the official poll matters more than your opinion.

>Just like if they made a poll right this second, the Shinjuku servants and proto Arthur would be inflated.
Except they wouldn't just like Zero and Extra characters weren't.
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>>170605348
>not including ORT
Marie confirmed strongest!
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>>170605374
>Yeah but people hardly whale for CEs.
No they definitely whale for CEs. Nobody rolls for characters I don't like. Those numbers are inflated by CEs.

>You can bet your ass off that Waver owes a lot of popularity to a lot of people using him
He was obscure shit until he got buffed. Nobody wanted him. Again, people rolling for gameplay, not because they like the character.
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>>170605517
i bet she invites dark skinned guys to fuck in the beach
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Arondight at full power can surpass Excalibur but Lancelot is scared of destroying the Solar System with it.
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>>170605467
>Everyone on /a/ is one person
That mentality of yours is getting in the way of reason again.

Yes, for Scat it didn't happen, but the difference between Scat and the Zero characters is that Scat got consistent art and attention. The Zero characters didn't.

>All artist circlejerk each other
Wow, your paranoia knows no end. Communities aren't a hivemind. They are varying opinions within groups. Not all artists like Scat or Jeanne Alter.

>Opinion
Science. You keep using the wrong word.

Except they would because that's what logic dictates. Read a few papers on human psychology. Although I'm sure they are a bit too tough for you.
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Arondight at full power can surpass Excalibur but Lancelot is scared of awakening the Heroic Tribe with it.
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>>170605609
>implying they can survive touching her crystals
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>>170605110
>grailling before even getting skills off the ground

Dude.
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>>170604659
Name? I might try play it Despite being an EOP
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>>170606006
I don't use them for gameplay, I just want them gold. I'd grail Asako too but I'm out of crystals.
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>>170605110
>Grails before fouring, leveling skills or doing strengthening quests

(you)
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>>170605742
>only one person hates FGO
Kek

>got consistent art
Minority
>and attention
Because she has been in recent stuff unlike the Zero Servants

Again, Lancelot beat Kiyohime in 2chan.

>your paranoia knows no end.
Says the retard that is arguing the official poll is inflated when it clearly isn't.

>Science.
Opinion. You keep using the wrong word. Only stupid fuck ever arguing against official stuff is you, you are not science.

>Except they would because that's what logic dictates
Same logic that said Scathach was FotM. Oh wait.
>Read a few papers on human psychology
I have, far more than you actually because my career requires it, but I can tell you that does not change the fact that the numbers are not inflated like you want them to be.
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>>170606068
Not that anon, but it's SINoALICE. It's not out yet I think.
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>>170606068
SINoALICE
Launch next month though
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>>170606237
El Melons is my Zerofu.
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So, did Arthur run his kingdom to shit during his life?
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>>170606237
Sakura was cute in Zero, why did she grow up to be such a whore?
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>>170605742
>Lion King has tons of art but sold like shit
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>>170606418
Seems so. He ended like Artoria at least.
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>>170606418
I believe he had the same past as Arturia
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>>170606480
>old man dickwormed a girl until she dickwormed profusely

idk man
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>>170606418
He did nothing wrong, but nobody respects a cuckhold.
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>>170604659
>Yokotaro mobage
It's going to be a rhythm game, isn't. I am still having flashback from D3 final boss.
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>>170606270
I never said one person hates it. There are some that like it, hate it , and some that are indifferent about it. Is life really black and white for you?

>Minority
Extrapolate. Look up what that means.

>Recent stuff
Her release, then America, then Swimsuit. 3.
Zerkerlot was in 2. France and Zero. One extra appearance does not explain that massive art difference. Show me the poll by the way that Lancelot placed higher than Kiyo. Surely you have it right?

Also, I can tell you are full of shit that you read it because it is obvious to even people who don't dive much into psychology that something's popularity is at its peak when it is first released. That's common sense. Try to argue against that and bring up a claim that argues that.
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>>170606418
Same past but did not reach the same regret as Artoria.
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>>170606496
Lion King was added to the game? When?
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So why did Guinevere cheat with ugly ass Lancelot again?
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>>170606763
I thought he had regret but become more cynical about it.
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>>170606821
Because he was black, obviously.
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>>170606821
He had a bigger dick than Artoria
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>>170606821
The bent one reach her G-spot.
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>>170606671
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axT_RojfaRs
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>>170606821
Because women prefer French lovers.
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My japanese friend just rolled Arjuna and Arthur using 2 tickets
Mediocre as they might seem, I'm happy for him since he couldn't pull any SSR since he started some months ago
Just a story, so you guys don't give up too
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>>170606821
Because Arthur's dick was sealed
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>>170606821
King Arthur was too perfect to have sex and she wanted some fuck.
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>>170606968
>おめでとう!!!
Cute
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>>170606821
Because think about it. Who else was dumb enough to fall for her tricks?
Gawain would've told her no. Bedivere would've told her hell no, as would Kay, Mordred was a walking tin can, we know nothing about Gaheris, and Agravain's issues with women were probably fairly evident.

Lancelot was the only one dumb enough to actually go for it.
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>>170606968
Yeah, don't give up. Between my Jack at Christmas 2015 and Merlin at Christmas 2016, I rolled no SSR.

Other than those two, my only other SSR is Jeanne.
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>>170606926
It's nice listening to this when you don't have to worry about any rhythm.
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>>170606861
I have two conflicting headcannons about this.

1. Tamamo is the perfect wife and would indulge in your cuckholding fetish to the fullest so you could receive maximum "gratification."

2. Tamamo is the perfect wife and wouldn't indulge in your cuckholding fetish because sometimes harsh love is the best kind.

Either way Tamamo is perfect.
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>>170606710
>Extrapolate
Circlejerk. Vocal minorites do not extrapolate.

>Her release, then America, then Swimsuit.
All main roles with tons of screentime.

>Zerkerlot was in 2. France and Zero.
Only appeared for a brief moment in France and during 2 fights in Zero.
>art difference
Minority

>Show me the poll by the way that Lancelot placed higher than Kiyo.
Too bad newshit redditor but you will have to lurk for it. It was like 6+ months ago. We have the early ones from before the gilfags rigged the polls with proxies around here too, in which Lancelot won by the 30s, you can extrapolate that too right? :^)

>I can tell you are full of shit
>because I said so, again
That's not helping your case.

>that something's popularity is at its peak when it is first released
Zero had ended by the time of the poll.
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>>170607179
Percival is both dumb and a woman lover.
But we'll never see him in Nasuverse.
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>>170606926
>Played Drakengard 1 when it first came out when I was a young boy
>Recently found out that it has an expansive world and is a franchise
Should I go into it? Whats you guy's that have played it opinion on it?
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>>170607263
According to GoA, Percy "loved Arturia more than anyone else".
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>>170607207
>final notes of nowhere killing Mikhail

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>170606861
Thats kinda remind me to NTR Doujinshi.
Since you're beta male, better divorce your wife and succumb deeper to 2D
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>>170607291
While still believing she is a guy no ?
Gay and platonic ?

According to Camelot chapter, it seems he fought Lion King.
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>>170607382
That's all it really says.
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>>170607285
Drakengard 2 isn't as good and if if I'm not mistaken, Taro didn't work on the game
Drakengard 3 is almost good, but the frame drop to below 5 fps is horrible during fights. Also the final boss in the ending D is 200% bullshit.
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>>170607262
>rigged
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>>170607357
But his wife is Tamamo.
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I shitposted pretty hard,where my (You)s you fuckers
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>>170607453
Get a better wife.
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>>170607357
>Thats kinda remind me to NTR Doujinshi
post name
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>>170607429
Remember the drawfag? I do. We do.
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>>170606283
>>170606287
Goddamnit, is the prereg campaign the kind you have to have a social media account for? I hate having to fire up those damn things.
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>>170607292
#Just Yako Taro things

>>170607285
Most of his games aren't really for the gameplay, but mainly for the story and narration. His latest, Nier Automata seems to look quite good so far
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>>170607518
>Drawfag
>rigging
As per usual you're mixing your shit up, Drawfag asked who wants something drawn, someone said Lancelot, shitposter pretended to be drawfag and said he won't do Lancelot.
This has literally nothing to do with the polls where we voted who was the biggest cancer in here, which is plain obvious.
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>>170607285
Just watch Klepms' lore summary videos and play Nier Automata.
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>>170607540
Just follow them and retweet the thing they asked for,not that hard
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>>170607262
>vocal minorities do not Extrapolate
Oh god my sides. At least look up what it means man. You used the word incorrectly. The person observing the same population is the person who extrapolates. Oh man, talk about embarrassing yourself.

Scat's role in America was even smaller than the role Lancelot had in the zero event. Are you high?

>Minority
Extrapolate. Look up what it means before using the word next time as to avoid embarassment

>I don't have the source but feel free to look for it
Ah okay, so you are denying burden of proof. Another piece of evidence that shows you know nothing about human psychology and are full of shit.

The poll happened literally 2 weeks after the anime finished (which you denied and we're proven wrong by the way, which further discredits you as a source of reason and truth). So the popularity would be at its peak.
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>>170607589
>shitposter pretended to be drawfag
aka Gilfag

Gilfags were proven to be lying scum that day.
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>>170607540
Unfortunately, yes. Just follow what this anon says>>170607623
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>>170607420
>>170607575
I mostly play games for the story and characters rather than the gameplay. I can struggle through bad gameplay if I get good story and memorable characters out of it.

>>170607618
I can't do that. I despise watching previous works and then dive into later works. I can't feel immersed.
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>>170607772
If that's the case, then by all means go for it.
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>>170607653
>At least look up what it means man.
I know what it means and sadly does not apply here because it's a vocal minority, sorry.

>Extrapolate.
Does not apply. Minority.

>avoid embarassment
This is coming from the idiot who thinks him > Official polls. My sides.

>Ah okay, so you are denying burden of proof.
I'm denying to spoonfeed a retard who is clearly not from here and would know of this shit if he was.
>Another piece of evidence that shows you know nothing about human psychology and are full of shit.
I don't see how one thing relates to the other, but whatever.

>2 weeks after the anime finished
Now we look back at what you said.
>something's popularity is at its peak when it is first released.
Yeah, does not apply here, you confirmed your argument is full of shit and the Official Poll counts, as everyone else already knows.

>which you denied
Never did, I denied it affected the poll in any way. 2 different things
>we're
kek

>So the popularity would be at its peak
Not release, sorry. Release hype had ended long ago.
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>>170601468
I think they did that glasses CE last year with David.
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>>170607942
Then tell me what it means, because it clearly applies here. The fact that the artists aren't a hivemind and are a small sample size of different individuals meets the criteria.

>Denying providing proof because I wasn't around at the time.
Might as well admit it doesn't exist then and move on. It's the same result. You don't prove anything to anyone and it's a baseless claim.

Yes, release as in its entirety. The entirety of Fate Zero was complete and released to the public for viewing. I'm sorry English isn't your first language. I actually know a bit of Spanish so we could continue in Spanish if it makes you more comfortable,but I'm sure others wouldn't want that.
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>>170608183
>I actually know a bit of Spanish so we could continue in Spanish if it makes you more comfortable,but I'm sure others wouldn't want that.
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>>170607502
https://exhentai.org/g/1004043/846a08a507/
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>>170602908
Source: http://jin115.com
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>>170608261
>shotas ntring faceless old men

Where has this been all my life?
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>>170607192
With Jack and merlin you can pick whatever support and make them critlords, rejoice anon
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>>170608261
>Admiral is too busy with his game
>His girls went to shota dick
>They sent the video to the admiral.

The MC totally deserve that.
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>>170607382
Because he loved Artoria, Lion King wasn't Artoria. The reason why they opposed the Lion King was because they loved the King of Knights. This included Kay. When Percival died in his quest for the holy grail, Artoria fell into a deep depression.
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>>170608462
The shotas never say anything. The chicks have to seduce them first.

Also that translation is complete ESLtier.
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>>170607192
It'll be perfect if you have Jannu too.
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>>170607263
Percival was described as the biggest Artoriafag of all Camelot in a place full of them. He died searching for the Holy Grail which was the first chink in Artoria's resolve. She didn't take his death well.

She also stated the only true womanizers of Camelot were Merlin and Kay in GoA. While Lancelot and Tristan have some affairs, they do love the women they court, while Merlin and Kay slept around.
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>>170608319
>Moriarty did more than MHX Alter
M-Masaka
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>>170608740
Is this the beginning of the Moriartyface and age of ojisans?
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>>170608183
>Then tell me what it means, because it clearly applies here
Why? I thought you knew what it meant, and it clearly doesn't apply here. The artists are a small minority of the fanbase, many who make art based on what's new.

>HERP I'm a newfag from reddit pls spoonfeed me shit I should know if I lurked more
No, that's not how things work around here, redditor.

>release as in its entirety
That's not what release means, sorry. Release for Zero happened about a year before that poll was made. Hype died, poll is legit, you literally buried your own argument.

>I actually know a bit of Spanish
I'm sure you do, what was that term you used a week ago? "gringito" or something like that? It's in the archives.

>>170608231
Nice samefag """gringito"""

That one is pretty recent so I can post it, you don't want that do you?
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>>170608832
I hope so. We need more old men. Hopefully we get old ladies too. And not the old women we have, I'm talking about Moriarty level old. I love variety in the cast.
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>>170608873
*5 Caster.
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>>170608914
Dignified dame Marie Curie or Queen Victoria would be amazing.
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>>170608832
To be exact, it's the end of waifu ages.
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>>170608183
>>170608231
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/169922391/#169951310

RIP
>t-t-totally not me
Well I'm not a jetfag either.
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>>170608901
Yes it does apply. You extrapolate the sample size we have to measure the population. That's how it works in statistic. It's what you do in small sample sizes. There you learned something new, isn't that great?

Good to see you gave up on proving that point, let's move on to:

>Release: the action of making a movie, recording or other product available for general viewing or purchase
The entirety Zero was available to watch when the last episode finished. Let's move on to Spanish since you are having difficulty with words like extrapolate and release. You start amigo.
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>>170609054
That proves what? You can't seriously be claiming that poster is one of the ones you replied to.

Serious question: how many people do you think browse this general?
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>>170609184
Since the general disagrees with him on a routine basis, it logically follows that the entire general's actually one or maybe two people at best.
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>>170609329
I legit want to know. Like no one can seriously claim that everyone who disagrees with then is one or two people without having some kind of mental disorder. Even if he is pretending to be like that, it's still unhealthy mental behavior.
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>>170609104
>Yes it does apply
No it does not.

>You extrapolate the sample size we have to measure the population.
Except that cannot be done with vocal minorities such as artists. We have the actual numbers from the official poll too so there is no need to make up numbers.

Good to see you accepted you were wrong and decided to lurk and find that Lancelot beat Kiyohime in the 2chan poll months ago, as everyone else already knows, moving on.

>The entirety Zero
Except that's not what a release is.
>a movie or other product issued for viewing or purchase.
Zero was issued for vieweing on October 2, 2011.

>Let's move on to Spanish
Yeah I bet you are eager to use your native language https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/169922391/#169948529
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>>170609418
No one could shitpost for a year about the exact same thing without having some kind of mental disorder either.
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>>170609013
Fun fact: Tamamo (Summer) gacha did better than Artoria (Summer). Nero (Bride) and Lancer Arturia didn't do that amazing either. I think nips are getting tired of Saberfaces. Alters still do well though.
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>>170608972
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>>170609104
>extrapolating results
>extrapolating results based on SMALL SAMPLES

no, stop
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>>170609184
>You can't seriously be claiming that poster is one of the ones you replied to.
You can't seriously be claiming I'm the same person you replied to.

>>170609329
>>170609418
>the one I argue with is one person but I'm totally not
Always loved this meme. Nice samefag by the way.
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>>170609329
>Since the general
aka you pretending to be everyone.

>>170609418
>Like no one can seriously claim that everyone

>>170598419
>Melvin
Your very first post. Seek attention.
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>>170609551
Yes it does. In statistics you extrapolate small sample sizes to make a representation for the general population. Take a basic statistics course, although I'm not sure you have that in whatever backwater country you are from.
>Accepted
I'm still waiting for the poll. Burden of proof is on you. If you want to prove a point you must provide proof. No one goes into a debate and says "look it up, it's true". That makes you look stupid.

Zero as an entirety was not issued for viewing until it finished. Only episodes. The whole thing was not completed or released to the public. It's basic English Melvin,cmon.

>>170609590
That's the point. Take all of the thousands of artists on Twitter or pixiv and extrapolate and you'll reach something close to what the general population would see as popular.
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I wonder what it'd take to put Melvin down for the count once and for all.
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>>170609695
>>170609835
Why did you respond twice?
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>>170609920
Someone will take the mantle again.
At this point I'm sure there is a melvin league to fight against good threads.
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>>170607575
>His latest, Nier Automata seems to look quite good so far

>A Yoko Taro game with 90 score on Metacritic
http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/nier-automata

We are living in the best possible timeline.
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>>170609695
I'm on a phone unless you claim that I have Photoshop on my phone. I wouldn't put it past you.
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>>170609913
>Take all of the thousands of artists

Thousands isn't a small sample, but even so you can't generalize this result to that of the population unless you prove that artists are representative of the population at large.

You're also using the term 'extrapolation' wrong. What you're doing here is inference, not extrapolation.
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>>170609920
Nothing at this stage.
Maybe Lancelot being summoned in Extella 2 and losing to EMIYA and Gawain.
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>>170609976
He's trying to pretend to be multiple people, since he can't comprehend the idea there's more than one person arguing with him.
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>>170609920
Exorcism maybe?
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>>170610056
He'll just have to start extella hating. He'll even get people to agree with him because it seems hating stuff is cool here.
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>>170610142
Please don't pretend there aren't reasons to shit on Extella.
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>>170609920
It has to be in stages. Can't be at once.
The points he shitpost about need to be destroyed one by one. But obviously no author would shit on a character that bad so it probably will never happen unless Nasu lost it.
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>>170609913
a sample size can't be the fan artist, sample size are taken in random this is like selecting only students in a population, that does not represent the population it represents only the students.
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>>170610172
There is. But not to the point it usually goes.
Just like foxtail bring the shitty Karna-gawain argument and is far from perfect. But it doesn't deserve to be called out to this point.

It's just like FGO bashing on /a.
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>>170610142
Still Canon though.
What else, well Berserker Lancelot lost pretty easily in France but I think he's tuned that out, You could always have him show up in the swordsman chapter, then get BTFO by the other 7 swordsman, including Musashit and Sigurd, neither of which would have EAM just to rile him up?
Word of god that Lancelot wouldn't be able to see Nukes as weapons thus be un-KoH able.
Having Lancelot loose to any form of Artoria in a straight up fight.
Lots of things could put a chink in his armor, unfortunately lancelot isn't really that popular so I doubt he'll show up again in the story in any real capacity, so he won't have alot of chances to get BTFO.
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>>170610041
Is there a reason to doubt that the artists can be a reliable representation of the population?
Extrapolate: extend (...A range of values) by inferring unknown values from trends. I'm sure I'm using it correctly, but inference works too
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Is there a single bad sprite in this game except just outdated ones? Did spritedrawer-kun ever fuck up?
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>>170610296
Canon isn't enough. Melvin is delusional, probably mentally ill or shitposting.
He'll always find something to get back.
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>>170610296
lose*
I really need to stop posting at late hours.
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>>170606968
I have spent over 100 on the Arthur gacha alone.
I can't do that anymore.
I have wanted no one but Arthur since I downloaded the game about six months after its launch.
I didn't know this kind of despair even existed.
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>>170609913
>In statistics you extrapolate small sample sizes to make a representation for the general population
Yeah by using that the SJW would be the majority of comic book readers and gamers. They are not. You cannot do it with small vocal minorities. Again if youbare so eager to extrapolate you can do it with early fgog polls that had Lancelot far above even Kintoki and Kiyohime in popularity.

>I'm still waiting for the poll.
Lurk more redditor. You are not being spoonfed.

>as an entirety
Not relevant. For viewing it was October 2, 2011. Unless you are talking about the entire run of the series, which again, is not the release.

>The whole thing was not completed or released to the public
Oh you are talking BDs? Because those were not out immediately. Meaning Zero didn't even release by the time the poll took place, so not at peak.
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>>170610209
The thing is that you can't take much more than that because there is no way of measuring popularity at the current moment other than fan art or money made by gacha.

I think the money made by gacha is less reliable because people could spend money for reasons other than popularity. Unless type moon posts a Twitter post saying "reply to this post with your favorite servant/character" I don't see another way.
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>>170610432
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>>170610541
Next step to measure popularity will be an tournament like in FEH where you have to side with your favourite.
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>>170610347
>Is there a reason to doubt that the artists can be a reliable representation of the population?
Artists themselves? No. But maybe what they chose to portray could be an unreliable measure for a number of reasons (inverse causation to name but one).

>Extend a range of values
But you're not doing that when you extract a sample and try to generalize the results. You want to prove that the measures of central tendency for a character in the sample are the same as in the population. You don't extend the range of values, you just apply the relevant tests.
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>>170610404
Well a canon scale of X>Lancelot would be pretty easy to just bring up
Say for example, they say that Instinct lets Artoria beat Lancelot despite the small gap in skill, that would bring a whole new world of shitposting and be a massive gash in his shitposting arsenal. Basically have him up show up in any capacity with actual competition like Ozzy, Karna, Achilles, Hell maybe Even Siegfried and Cu.
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>>170610432
>I have wanted no one but Arthur since I downloaded the game about six months after its launch.
>over 100
>not hoarding over 1000

You're at fault, anon.
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>>170607653
>Extrapolate. Look up what it means before using the word next time as to avoid embarassment
Hey man what happened, I thought you said you knew english and shit? >>170610041 >>170610209

WEW guess who was embarrased now.
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>>170610442
SJW as you call them share a similar mentality though. Artists on Twitter or pixiv do not. They can be taken as an accurate representation.

>You are not being spoon-fed
>Redditor
Then you are not proving a thing.

Yes the entirety is relevant because that's when "Fate/Zero" was watched. Unless you are saying that you can watch one episode and that counts as watching the whole thing. The release of the anime "Fate/Zero" is when the last episode finishes since that's when the finished product was available to the masses
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>>170610375
The sprites are pretty inconsistent
some have small heads and some have huge, also everyone's legs/feet positions are fucked
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Sacred Scrolls updated. Arthur is a 6.0 like Artoria, but they clarified they are waiting for the NP interlude for a better evaluation. Generally evaluate their performance as similar, but Arthur has better Quick+Extra attack cards. In all, it's concerns raised about the chance to make his niche shine and "np interlude when".

http://appmedia.jp/fategrandorder/96261
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>>170610296
>>170610654
>all this autism
Remember how you wished and prayed to all gods, pagans and of all religions, just for them to grant you the wish of Lancelot not having a swordbeam?

Remember how you failed and he got one regardless?
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>>170610884
>Arthur is a 6.0 like Artoria
HUSBANDOFAGS BTFO
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>>170610653
It's safe to assume that artists draw characters they like. At least 95% of the time. Unless they draw some guro or ryona.

When you take data from a sample, you can take the values and extend them ratio wise, and if the people in the sample are reliable, general people, it can be a representation of the population. It doesn't have to be the same, it's just an estimate.

>>170610738
Calm down, people who know what they are talking about are having a conversation. You don't belong.
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>>170607694
What are the rules. Should I even bother retweeting when I live in AUS
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>>170610957
Non NP interlude Arthur is slightly better than NP interlude Artoria, but the difference is kind of minimal to warrant a better ranking (Quick+Extra attack). Man, that guy must really hate Artoria.
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>>170603841
No go buy Nier automata instead unless you don't have a PS4 , Taro deserves the support more
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In which class is going to be Parvati?
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>>170610884

3/10 Arthur Pendragon set to 6.0
3/10 Carna changed from 6.0 to 6.5
3/10 Mountain Okina changed to 6.5 → 7.0

The fag realised how bad he evaluated king hassan and he is raising him by 0.5 each time now randomly.
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>>170610906
You're assuming I was part of the group of people who thought he didn't have a swordbeam.
I couldn't care less about what Lancelot does and doesn't have, I'm just pointing out ways that would make it harder to shitpost about him.
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>>170610884
WEW
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>>170610775
>Artists on Twitter or pixiv do not.
You have no idea how many artists are friends with each other. Some are even family.

>Then you are not proving a thing
It's been proved, the facts are there, it's up to you to get them.

>Yes the entirety is relevant because that's when "Fate/Zero" was watched.
That's not the release though, that's the entire run of thea series. Your point was release.

>the finished product was available to the masses
It was not until the BDs were out. Which was after the poll.
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>>170609567
>I think nips are getting tired of Saberfaces
Tell that to MHXA. Her gacha was incredibly popular.
>Alters still do well though.
Alters are still Saberfaces.
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>>170610654
Or just having him lose to some otherwise "weak" servant would do it. Doesn't even have to be against other strong servants.
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>>170611205
Just for nuance : MHXA was during a lot of female rate up too. So her success is not her alone.
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>>170611205
>Tell that to MHXA. Her gacha was incredibly popular.
Because of the other rateups.
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>>170611079
Wormsluter
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Fujobait 6.0 in Sacred Scrolls.
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>>170610981
>When you take data from a sample, you can take the values and extend them ratio wise

Then you're not 'extending ' them. You're just inferring them from the small sample.

Let me make an example to explain where your mistake is. If I have a batch of batteries and I need to examine them, and the producer guarantees that they last 48 hours on average, I take a sample of them and test their average duration. If I fail to reject the null hypothesis, then I can generalize my results to the population of batteries. I am not 'extending the range of values', this is not what I am interested in doing. I am interested in generalizing my results. This is inference.

Extrapolation is something that relates linear regression. Suppose I sample a group of houses, and I want to estimate the relationship between their size and their price. Suppose the biggest house I have observed costed X. Since I am modeling price as a function of size, if I want to to estimate the price for an house larger than the one observed in the sample (e.g. size X+1), I am extrapolating, that is, I am extending the range of values.
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>>170610981
>people who know what they are talking about
Sorry but all I'm seeing is an idiot who thought he knew what he was talking about getting btfo for being a retard.

>I know more than Nasu
>my assumptions are more accurate than the official poll
My god, talk about embarrassing.
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>>170611213
I can just imagine the shitflinging that would happen if Lancelot got BTFO by someone like say, Hector or a Hassan just NP'ing him.
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>>170611213
Lancelot vs Mata Hari when ?
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>>170611082
He always raises the males. He must be a fag. The only girl who has a good ranking is Mashu.
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>>170611181
>Friends/family
Unless you have evidence for that, that's baseless. That's a hefty point you are claiming.

>Go look for it
Burden of proof is on you. You claimed something so you need to prove it by showing evidence.

That is release. After the last episode aired Fate Zero could officially be watched in its entirety, meaning the whole thing has been released. One episode of Zero is not the release of Fate Zero. It wasn't completed and available for the masses to see.
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>>170611205
Read>>170608319

>>170611267
Higher than waifubait at 5.0.
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>>170611267
So why are 5*'s lower rated than 4*'s?
Like how the fuck is Raikou worse than Bob?
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>>170611270
>STATUS: BTFO
This is exactly why I wanted him to explain what he meant by extrapolate. The stupid fuck thought he was smart by using that word when he had no idea what it fucking meant.

Literally the same shit as that idiot who though insulting was Ad Hominem.
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>>170610884
Yay, Karna finally moved up to Bryn tier.
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>>170611458
The 4* and 5* list are different, idiot.
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>>170611267
Do we have a 3* list?
Or a 2* or 1* for that matter.
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>>170611542
Yes
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>>170611542
Yes, Cu is best 3*, Hans is the best 2* and Arash is the best 1*.
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>>170611169
>>170610957
The evaluation was fairly positive in comparison to the past Sabers without interludes. Altera remained bottom of the list tier only above old Orion and Amakusa until she got hers (after many months. Fuck you, DW). Arturia who has an interlude remains a bit worse than Arthur. They really need to buff the fuck of her.

Please DW, ditch Instinct you motherfuckers. Or give us skill update.
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>>170611267
>Altera is a 7.0
Whoa.
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>>170611486
He just made a small mistake with the terms, the method itself is correct provided he proves that pixiv artists are no different from regular fans.
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>>170611542
3* list is simple: David, Robin, Euryale and Cu are worthwhile.
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>>170611385
>Unless you have evidence for that, that's baseless.
Check twitter. I sure as hell am not going to give you the name of the artist I know.

>Burden of proof is on you.
You don't need to prove Gravity exists, everyone knows it is a thing. Same case here. You are a newshit from reddit that needs to lurk moar.

>After the last episode aired Fate Zero could officially be watched in its entirety, meaning the whole thing has been released.
That is the end of the series actually, not the release, it's pretty stupid that you can get both mixed.

>It wasn't completed and available for the masses to see.
Again if you mean complete and available you are talking BDs, and those were not out before the poll. So no peak for Zero, no inflated numbers.
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>>170611596
Yes, DW, please give us a strengthening quest set devoted entirely to unfucking instinct and clairvoyance.
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>>170611596
>>170611689
How would you unfuck Instinct? Just more stars?
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>>170611270
By taking the values from the subjects in the sample and generalizing then, you are extending them larger than their initial size. Both examples you stated are a means of getting information you have no knowledge on. Because you take the sample of artists and see they follow a trend of liking these characters at this rate, you can assume by adding in more will keep the ratio the same. It's a very similar process.

>>170611284
>>170611486
Not everything has to be an argument Melvin. He didn't "BTFO" anyone. This is a civil conversation won a subject you know nothing about. Kindly butt out, or as you'd say, fuck off. This doesn't concern you.
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>>170611737
>Shitposting Instinct EX
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Who thought it was a good idea to not be able to go back once you pressed the attack button
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>>170611613
>provided he proves that pixiv artists are no different from regular fans
That will be a hard one as many draw stuff to put in books to sell, mostly of new stuff to put in anthologies.
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>>170611737
Dodge for 2 hits.
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>>170611745
>It's a very similar process.
Similar, but not equal.
You're not strictu sensu extending the range of values. Do you know what the range of a random variable is? Have you studied the whisker plot?

>>170611835
>hat will be a hard one as many draw stuff to put in books to sell, mostly of new stuff to put in anthologies.
Exactly, that's the issue with reverse causation. Maybe these artists are drawing not because they like the character, but because other people do and in the hope to sell.
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>>170611603
Remember when she used to be the worst Saber? Meta of the game changed from AoE NP spam (which she couldn't do) to crit or ST, so her skill+attack work for that (plus Merlin). The shifts affect the ranking, that's why Amakusa is higher than Jeanne who was the old 10.0 Servant for a long while and now she's in the bottom of the list.

If DW starts implementing a wave of multiple huge bosses as they did in the trial, it'll improve Arthur's value (that and NP interlude, something Altera was without for almost a fucking year. She couldn't clear EXP hands for so long).
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>>170611737
I'd say go on a character by character basis, if a character is built around using instinct to buff one big blitz (like how Arthur seems to be) then more stars is a good buff, but for characters with MHXA a dodge would be better.
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>>170611675
Except gravity has a proof in physics. Nice try though.

>More look it up yourself
Burden of proof . If you want to prove something show evidence other wise it's just an opinion or a thought. When I said that the poll and F/Z took place within 2 weeks I backed it up. Now let's see you do the same. Man up.

Yes, the end of the product. After the end of the product was released, the whole thing could be considered "released" and I am not talking about the BD, I'm talking about the anime as a whole.
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>>170611737
Combine it with something else. Like Altera's Star Emblem. Or you can give people that have it a crit weight skill so they can use the stars themselves. Also like Altera.

Bottom line is, Altera is how a character that has stars-on-demand should be like.
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>>170611267
>KH jumped two whole tiers since his debut
I like this.
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>Bond CE is named "Garden"
>King Arthur, voiced by Merlin's CV
>Oh, maybe it's about Garden of Avalon since it's related to both characters
>See this
Oh wow! Artoria gets a fucking crown of the planet while this guy only gets a regular garden.

>王ではなく、一人の騎士として在ろうと決めた時、約束の場所は定められた。
>This is the place where I made an oath, to give up being a king and become her only knight instead.
So much loyalty. He's already better than Lancelot.
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>>170611965
Two tiers? He started as 6.0, didn't he?
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>>170611927
Sabers = more base stars, stars absorption/generation?
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Wonder if we'll get a Servant that changes from AoE to ST NP depending on the amount of enemies.
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>>170611267
>TFW Karna would be 8.0 or higher if he'd had a ST NP like in canon
It hurts.
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>>170611745
>He didn't "BTFO" anyone
By anyone you meant yourself, right? Because you clearly got BTFO here. I can see you are some stupid fuck who just discovered the term. You are probably 18 or 19 and starting college, thinking you are smart and shit because you just got introduced to a new word. Ask your teacher to explain you the term better next time, this anon just saved you from failing.
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>>170611989
>6.0 to 6.5 to 7.0
Yes, and?
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>>170611971
Ayaka and Arthur are OTP.
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>>170611971
Getting Arthur to max bond only to get a CE about how he cucks you. Great.
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>>170611971
Okay, I haven't even seen his bond lines and I know he's not going to be even vaguely shipped with (you).
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>>170610884
>below Amakusa level
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>>170611875
The range of random variable are any of the values that are possible. And the whisker plot is literally elementary median, highest value, lowest etc. That's shit I learned in high school.

Both methods are used to achieve similar results. Not the same, but then again, this test is not to represent accuracy, it's meant to have a general idea of the population. A lot statistics test that involve an unknown population aren't meant for accuracy. It's meant for information of the unknown.
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>>170612123
Wait until the valentines retcon anon
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>>170611971
>Arturia's CE isn't a lion stuffed toy
Why is Arthur a superior husbando?
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>>170612027
His first skill still sucks tbqh. He'll probably will be at 7.5 at most like Okita or Musashi.
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>>170612178
>he gives you flowers from her garden
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>>170611875
>>170611835
Eh I don't know about that. Being a doujin artists and doing commission's don't make much money. And usually commissios don't get posted on social media. It gets sent straight to the consumer. I will admit some artists probably do it but I'd say it's a small percentile that's safe to ignore
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>>170611832
I guess it was a pain for them with star distribution or something like that
>>170612027
With three skills, ST NP and a NP interlude he'd be easily 9.0 mqterial
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>>170607502
>Tamamo x Carlos
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>>170612038
Not everything is a hostile argument. It's a discussion. Don't delude yourself into thinking there is a losing party. Nice try though. I'm actually having fun discussing with the other guy, so let him take over. Thanks though Melvin, I learned a bit about you tonight.
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>The Arthurfag with 1300 quartz got him on the 19th ten roll
Looks like he won't kill himself after all
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>>170611971
Artoria's CE is about her kingship. Arthur's CE is about his love for Ayaka. It makes sense when you look at their characters. Saber's arc has always been more about her ideals and her kingship (and her struggle) than her romance with Shirou. Her romance with Shirou is just a plot device to make her conciliate with this. She spends Zero and most of FSN focused on it.

While Arthur resolved his angsty ordeal in Fragments, so Prototype is meant to be a love story between the girl who saved him and he swore to protect, rather than his struggle with ideals.
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>>170612153
>The range of random variable are any of the values that are possible

Exactly. So when we 'extend the range' using extrapolation, we want to 'stretch the whiskers' and see what happens to our dependent variable.

On the other hand, if for instance we want to study the chances that a politician has to be elected in office, we use inference. This means that we take known values from a sample and see what happens if we try to generalize them to the population.

Even if extrapolation and inference are used as synonymous in English, in statistics they refer to two distinct procedures.
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>>170611832
>press attack
>oops I didn't actually want to attack
What kind of idiot would press attack when they don't want to attack?
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>>170612425
Who invited this slut in the thread?
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>>170611936
>Except gravity has a proof in physics
Yeah and you are not going to be spoonfed, right? Same here. The proof is there. Everyone else but you have seen the proof. It is a pain to find it by now I tell you, it's old as fuck, but the people that were here at the moment saw it. Just like 7.5.

>If you want to prove something show evidence
The evidence is in fucking twitter, you can't use that? You can see the tweet to each other and do collabs. If I link it may lead to knowing my identity, something I'm not going to risk.

>I am not talking about the BD
Then you are talking about viewing, which was released in October 2011. See, merely ending doesn't make it available to the public. People who just finished watching cannot go OH HEY I WANT TO WATCH AGAIN. The whole thing was not available to the public until the BDs were out.
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>>170611971
>cucked by Ayaka
JUST
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>>170612364
Now what the fuck is he going to spend all that quartz on?
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>>170612425
I honestly don't know either.
Just ignore and move on.
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>>170612464
Took the words right out of my mouth
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>>170612535
By... trying to get NP2?
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>>170611971
I'm the only one who thinks this is sweet as fuck? I'm disappointed Serenity turned into a gag waifubait in FGO when her role in Fragments was heartbreaking, as were her feelings for the Shirou clone.
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>>170612364
That is not bad considering 1300 quartz are 43 rolls.

Still over half his quartz. One of the best reasons why saving is so important.
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>>170612242
>Being a doujin artists and doing commission's don't make much money.
Depends on your fanbase to be honest. It is a draining job indeed but hey you aren't really suggesting they are busting they asses over nothing, are you? Those drawings take a lot of time. Doodles? Yeah I can see those being about characters they like, but the kind of shit on pixiv? That's money.
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>>170612136
I thought the campaign vaguely hinted more (you)xRoman than Arthurx(you). You're desperate to cried out Roman's name in a dramatic fashion when he disappears.
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>>170612383
By extending the whiskers, you are also extending the quartiles, which in itself is inferring based off the ratio that you extend it. If you increase the max value by x and decrease the min value by x, the quartiles will follo the same pattern. It's basically inference since you have the same ratios just at a higher sample size
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>>170612425
How can she ride bikes when she lost her riding skill as Saber Alter?
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>>170612614
>when her role in Fragments was heartbreaking
lol
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>>170612714
With practice.Like a regular human.
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>>170611971
Wtf you told me DW is otome pandering.Why am I getting cucked instead?
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>>170612714
Don't think - Sakurai
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>>170612136
He's reminded of her with you, kind of like Artoria sometimes remembers Shirou. But there wouldn't be a serious pandering.
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Conclusion: the official poll is correct.
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>>170612714
She took lessons
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>>170612701
>tfw (you) cuck Mashu and Da Vinci in one single move
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>>170612705
>By extending the whiskers

But I don't want to do this. Why would I? I want to prove that the values in the whisker plot (generated from sample values) are more than enough to estimate the true measures of central tendency in the population.

I don't want to generate unknown values. I want to test if the inference I made on the small sample is good enough to generalize on the population. If I get a sample of 50 people and, on average, they spent 24 hours a week playing F/GO, I am interested in see how this result generalizes to the whole population. Same for any other trait.

I don't understand how and why we would want to create new values, especially since we don't have a rule to do this.
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>>170612484
No because you learn that in school. I don't need to be spoon-fed here because it was previously spoon-fed to me in school

Now, in order to prove something you must show or "spoon-feed" the prove. That's what burden of proof is, what's how arguments, discussions, and debates work Incase you didn't know. Otherwise you aren't proving a thing to the other party. Unless that is you don't care to prove it to me, in which case there is no point in bringing it up.

The show/product "Fate/Zero" finished on the last episode. Therefore, Fate Zero (the anime) was released when the last episode finishes. That's when its entirety was given and shown to the public. Unless the last episode is shown, it isn't finished and isn't considered released.
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>>170612714
I don't have Riding skill and I can ride a bike.This isn't rocket science.
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>>170612701
Isn't he basically the protagonist's dead dad rather than the love interest in terms of role?
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http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=61840083

Oh wow,another one
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>Melvin won again
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS
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>>170612714
Like hell I care, I don't even read nor watch Fate series - Sakurai
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>>170612791
Step up.
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>>170612960
Not really, no.
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>>170611965
He IS pretty solid, should've been 7 or 7.5 from the start.
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>>170613059
What?
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>>170612960
I would assume so, from his side at least. This was before DW found out he's shipped with Guda a fucking lot.
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>>170612791
>getting cucked
Not when you self insert as the plain girl instead.
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>>170613035
He's an instakill memer, he'll never be solid.
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>>170613059
Mode Red looks off.
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>>170612924
You do realize that, you have not provided a sliver of proof that Lancelot and Iskander popularity declined from the 2012 poll, right? You are merely making assumptions. That's not proof.

>finished on the last episode
Exactly, it was not released on the last episode.
>Therefore, Fate Zero (the anime) was released when the last episode finishes
That's not how it works, BDs are not out immediately.
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>>170613059
Jannu is so cute as always.
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>>170613107
Gudao-Mashu is still the only canon shipping though. No amount of shipping can change that.
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>>170613059
what's this
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>>170612919
>Why would I
To see how the trends are and where the quartiles and min/max values lie. If you sample a number of people and get values and you want to see how the data looks when you expand its size, you extend the whiskers to see. Of course you'd have to factor in outliers and what not and that might mess with the data and make it inaccurate, but again it's not about accuracy. You want an estimate of the unknown based off what you do know. By extending the known values based off trends you can get a bigger picture.
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I don't understand, what Assassin class suppose to be best at
Most of them have 3 quick card, but little hit number, so they don't produce much stars
Then what's the point?
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>>170613059
What is this?
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>>170613293
All good 4-5* assassins have good hitcounts and make a lot of stars.
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>>170613293
>star gen is only affected by hit count
Wow, Tamamo caster is such a good star generator!
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>>170613293
Being shit.
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>>170613184
Proof is evident by the data in fan art. They got a lot of fan art back when they first debuted, and it declined since. I can prove it with pixiv links if you want.

Conceptually, the "thing" known as the Fate Zero anime was complete at the last episode, and you cannot, by definition release something incomplete.
>the action of making a movie, recording, or other product available for general viewing
The product was available for general viewing at the last episode. Period, that's by definition.
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>>170613293
Assassins are supposed to be like Jack, a Servant that can support you, in Jack's case remove buffs and off heal, and making stars for the team while also can do NP damage when the needs arise.

Sadly it's only really Jack that can meet those criteria.
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>>170613059
Whats happening on March 15th?
New OVA?
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>>170613247
But why?
Do you realize we can't extend quartiles and min/max if we're conducting a sample study? This only happens if a member in our sample has an exceptionally low/high value for our variable of interest. It's not something we can manipulate, it's something we take as given. The only thing we can do is add more people to the sample, but in real life this is costly. So we'd rather test the significance of the results we've achieved so far (unless of course the sample is too small, but that's another story).

The only case in which we might me interested in manipulating a variable is in regression models, because we're using a variable to estimate another. In that case, we change the value of one variable to see how the other variable changes, and in some circumstances, we extrapolate ('stretch' the whiskers) to test for observations that are not in our sample.

But make no mistake: we use these two tools with very distinct purposes. We use regression for causal inference, intrapolation and extrapolation.

We use samples for inference on a larger population.
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>>170612960
I can see both sides. Solomon is the ruler the Fate Master protagonist bonds with. All past examples led to romantic and nonplatonic feelings: Nero, Arturia, Iskandar. You can easily see Ayaka and Richard going that way because the cast already teases them as a couple. I'm sure he wanted to make it platonic this time (not just for Mashu but also Da Vinci's obvious feelings toward Roman), but the fanbase understandable is into it because it's iconic for the Master to get their king. There's a bit more of ambiguity on Gudako's side at least.

I'm not sure if you could re-read the Dango rerun, but they added an extra scene where Roman remarks that (you) are looking at him with eyes full of love, and an expression torn between sorrow and joy, and he asks if something happened. Sure, it could be platonic love, but the absent Romani ended up becoming the the actual focus of White Day Campaign (Arthur was bait), not Father's Day. This mirrors that Mashu was the focus of Valentines. Not just due to her 'quest' which was a repeat, but there was nothing romantic with MHX Alter. The only romantic scene was in the end with MHX teasing Mashu how she looked at (you) when you slept. Screaming someone's name in a dramatic fashion because of someone who used to know him disappeared is a bit of a romantic bait. They balanced it with Da Vinci's monologue at the end, though.

They want to pander to everyone. There are some Arthur/(you) scenes, and Roman/(you), and AyakaxArthur and Da VincixRoman. This pleases the female fans because they don't just like self-inserting but also shipping. Fujo were probably also drawn into ArthurxRoman connection because SuzuKen and Sakurai. It was a well thought mini campaign designated to pander to girls perfectly. They loved the story judging by their twitter reactions.
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>>170613565
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>>170613204
>Gudao-Mashu is still the only canon shipping though.
I would argue Da Vinci and Roman are more official (because Da Vinci's feelings are confirmed, while Mashu is still WHAT IS LOVE). Male Guda, sure. Nasu already sank the /u/stuff.
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>tfw Assassins keep not showing their 3 Quick Cards

Really wastes my stars up.
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>Melvin saved by some random that points out the mistake in his opponent's argument again
WHY? HOW? WHY DOES THIS ALWAYS HAPPEN WHEN IT LOOKS LIKE HE IS CORNERED? FUCK I THOUGHT I COULD FINALLY SEE HIM GET BTFO FUCK FUCK FUCK
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>>170613462
Because like you said, it is hard or costly to add more subjects to the sample, and while you can settle for the sample you have and treat that as an accurate representation of the general population, what if you want to see how it would look with larger numbers, so you can see what it could look with more subjects. It's entirely possible.

We have no need for regression models because no one will change their value nor are we interested in that when it comes to seeing how it would look in the big picture.
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>>170613675
>We have no need for regression models because no one will change their value nor are we interested in that when it comes to seeing how it would look in the big picture.

Exactly. We are not interested in regression nor are we interested in a change of their value, which is what you're suggesting. We want to see how our sample (artists) are representative of our population (fans).

To do this, we use inference, not extrapolation. Extrapolation is something that pertains to regression/estimation models.
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>>170613671
>>170612989
"Won"
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>>170613418
>Proof is evident by the data in fan art.
That's an assumption, that's not proof at all. There could be many reasons for the decline in art. You would have to proof that reason is a decline in popularity.

>the "thing" known as the Fate Zero anime was complete at the last episode
But it was released in October 2011.

>and you cannot, by definition release something incomplete
In your definition, I don't see the part that says that.

>The product was available for general viewing at the last episode
Except it was not available until the BDs came out. Period, by definition.
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>>170613790
But I'm saying extrapolation can be used here. Increase the max by x and decrease the min by x, youll keep the ratios the same. By increasing the size of variables close to what the actual population is, you'll get something that could possibly look like the population data. It still applies.
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>>170613941
>Physical proof of people drawing their character less is an assumption. That's proof at its finest. An assumption has no proof, and the number of drawings is definite proof.

False, the anime, in its entirety was available for viewing when the last episode finishes. Ergo, it is released when the last episode airs. Period, that's how the definition is. You are saying that you can't watch Fate zero in its entirety until the blu rays come out.
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>>170613960
Ok, I'll make an example that is even more basic in the hope you understand. We want to see how often people on 4chan have had sex in the past month. Suppose our sample (n) is composed by 5 people, who respond as follows.

0 0 2 3 5

The average is 2, the mode is 0, the median is 2, the max is 5, the min is 0.
Now we proceed to use the relevant tests to estimate how this generalizes to the population of 4chan at large, and we get whatever result.

What you're proposing we do is that we add arbitrary values in our sample, say like

0 0 (1) 2 3 (4) 5 (7)

And this makes no sense, because we take the values as given (they're observation, not something we can toy with). On the other hand, rescaling the variables has no impact on the test which is based on a ratio, so why would we do it?

>increase the size of variables close to what the actual population is

You're suggesting either one of two things here, and they're both wrong.

>Adjust the sample values until they match population values
Impossible if we don't know true population values, trivial if we already know them

>Throw in random numbers as if they were observations
Makes no sense. Why would we do this?

Once you have collected your sample, that's it. You can't arbitrarily add more values without observation.
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>>170614134
>That's proof at its finest
Again, you need to prove it is due to a decline in popularity and not due to other reasons. You haven't proved anything, you are only assuming.

>False, the anime, in its entirety was available for viewing when the last episode finishes.
It was available to the viewing when the first episode aired, actually.

>it is released when the last episode airs.
Nope, you can't release something at the end of it. You are contradicting yourself.

>was available for viewing when the last episode finishes
It was not, because the BDs were not out.

>You are saying that you can't watch Fate zero in its entirety until the blu rays come out.
Exactly, it was impossible to watch it in its entirety until the BDs were out.
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>>170614334
I'm not saying that. Let's say the sample was as follows

5 9 14 23 48

What I do is increase the max by 4 and decrease the min by 4. This will make the following

1 (5-9) (10-18) (23-27) 52

The first, third quartile could fall within that range of numbers mathematically.

Again, this isn't for accuracy. It is to see how the ratios would behave and what the possible values are at increased number of subjects.
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>>170614572
>what the possible values are at increased number of subjects.

But you're not increasing the number of subjects. You're arbitrarily manipulating the results and that's horrible in statistics.
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>>170614474
Are you saying that a character could have less fan art for a reason other than declining popularity? Go ahead and provide a possible explanation other than what I claim. It's what makes sense.

False, only the first episode was available for viewing when it first aired. The anime as a concept and as a product did not finish and was not released until the last episode aired or until it's complete. It's like saying a game is released when it's in beta. It's not.

No, you are wrong with the BD. As soon as the last episode aired, it become possible to watch the entire anime because people were watching from the start. If the episodes all came out at the same time, then you would be right but that is not the case.
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>>170614732
I am changing the values in a way that would reflect a larger sample size, which will of course cause an increase and decrease in values. What is constant is the ratio and the inter-quartile ranges since you have to do that or it all falls apart. And even that like I did falls in a range and not definitive.
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>>170614950
>I am changing the values in a way that would reflect a larger sample size

Says who? The fact that you have increased the max and reduced the min doesn't mean the sample size changed. You literally pulled that one out of your ass. In a larger sample size, the converse might happen too!

>which will of course cause an increase and decrease in values.

Because you pulled that out of your ass. If your sample is representative the change is minimal if not non-existent. (OK that's wishful thinking but you get the idea: a good sample imitates the population fairly well).
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>>170615197
>The converse might happen
Which if it does then you simply adjust. It's an assumption, again not for accuracy. You are saying that it is wrong because it has no accuracy, but that isn't the goal. The goal is to create some similar to the population. I think there is a misunderstanding here.
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>>170615330
>Which if it does then you simply adjust

How? Why? The whole point of taking a sample is that you don't know real population values. If you knew, why take a sample to begin with?

>Not for accuracy
Why? Why would we not want to be accurate?

>Accuracy isn't the goal. The goal is to create something similar to the population
>Something similar to the population
So accuracy. Which one is it?

>I think there is a misunderstanding here
Yes, yes there is. Are we going for accuracy or not? Because that's pretty much the only thing that matters.
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>>170612714
How did Arash ride his bike withoug STELLAing into a building?
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>>170615481
If you take the number of samples, and increase the number of samples, the ratios should still be the same. That's what I'm trying to say. Even if the values change, it won't matter because the inter-quartile ranges will still be the same. The sample doesn't have to be accurate to what the population actually is, it just needs to be a general idea so that we have information on the population that we didn't previously have.
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>>170615719
>If you take the number of samples, and increase the number of samples

Then you sample twice. Why not just take a larger sample right away? Manipulating a smaller sample arbitrarily isn't the same as sampling again

>even if the values change it won't matter
it DOES matter for tests of significance

>The sample doesn't have to be accurate
Ideally, it should. It's up to us to use the relevant tools to see if the sample is. If it isn't, then it provides no information and we can discard it. Or we can extend it and wait until the CLT does its job, but that requires extra sampling, not fucking around with the data.
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>>170610884
>tldr Arthur is shit
Good, I can burn him along with the female one now
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>>170615930
Because say the sample size is already at its max. You've sampled all you could. The only way you could get more is by increasing its size.

Test of significance isn't necessary because I'm not trying to prove or disprove a null hypothesis. I just want to see how the population would look with the limited number of subjects available.

And as long as the data isn't showing some crazy values after increasing the sample size, it should be a fine estimate. Definitely nothing worth publishing, but as a casual way of finding something out about a mass amount of people you have no way of gaining access to, the small sample you get should suffice.
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>>170616218
>Because say the sample size is already at its max. You've sampled all you could.
Then you've sampled the population. Congrats. Pat yourself on the back and drink a beer when you get home.

>A casual way of finding something about a mass amount of people you have no way of gaining access to
Then use the significance tests, they're here for that purpose.

But whatever you do, for the love of God, do NOT mess with the data. That's the worst you could do in statistics, literally the #1 mistake. Do not. fuck. with the data.
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>protofags got a shit tier servant and got cucked on top of it
My sides cannot be contained
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>>170616349
But again, in a casual setting, if youare curious to see how it would look with a larger number of people then you do that. I agree that in statistics messing with the data is literally forbidden, but when you are doing it on your own time and just trying to mess around see how it could look, then it's fine. Not accurate but definitely a possibility, and I don't know about you but I actually enjoy looking at the possibilities. It gives me a more concrete prediction rather than just using the small sample size as the representative of the population. Significance tests, while the more effective method, isn't the only way.
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