Heroes of the Storm General - /hotsg/

so what would an amazon do? will she be /fit/?

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1st for azmowaifu

>>170452463

Spear chucker probably

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God Johanna delivers her lines so much worse than the male crusader

>>170452463
Spear chuck. Epic duel ult like Legion Commander.
Valkyrie clone? I'm trying to remember as much D2 shit as possible.

>>170452361
https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/5sgbfb/suggestion_bring_more_diablo_2_characters_into/ddf03n5/
amazon is LITERALLY confirmed

>>170452361
Tier list is out of date, should probably stop putting it in OP

>>170452463
probably tanky and javelin based. fend, a piercing throw, and maybe slow missiles if the engine can pull it off. don't think they will bother with bow anything at all or put in any multiclass type effort, though she'd be great for it.

>>170452463
BFF's with Sonya.

>>170453917
Might do a longer range version with a bow and shorter range version with javelins

>>170452463
If she's anything like a properly built Jav Amazon from D2, she'll nuke everything that comes into her range.

>stealth heroes in literally every game
Nerf to stealth when?

>>170452361
>>170452463
>>170453397
No it isn't, same thing happened with a zeratul tint in the past, it didnt even go live, that's probably just the 4th tint from the loot system leaking

Plus, they would have to refund people who bought the skin if they changed the main tint, that is not what people paid for

So you retards should stop spreading disinfo

>mobility heroes in almost every game
nerf to mobility when?

>heroes in every game
nerf to heroes when?

>other players in every game

Remove all game modes except bot matches when

>me in every game
When will I be removed forever?

>shitposters in every general
when will you kys

>>170458335
You can do it yourself

Hah, trolling my own teammates with the stitches buddy hook is so much fun... oh trying to heartstone with 1hp? nope... wanna turn in 17 coins? nope
why? BECAUSE I CAN

how much damage should i do playing dehaka?
like relatively to the rest of the cast aswell

>>170460786
similar to arthas

>>170460786
Top Hero damage.

>>170460096
this, but unironically

>Game matches me up in a team with 2 supports
Picking heroes before matchmaking is a fucking mistake.

Should I buy Lucio?

>>170462045
ya

>started the week at d2
>about to be demoted to plat
Is there some kind of holiday this week?

I don't think I've ever had a losing streak this bad before. My games have been full of feeders and people that don't understand how to draft.

>>170451834
Both shit?

>>170463131
End of season in a week so everyone is trying desperately to climb now before next season

>>170463674
Oh, I didn't even realize.

Well I guess I'm going to get placed in Plat next season now. That's pretty shitty.

>>170463875
>made it to grandmaster
>just troll all the masters try to do a last minute push
EHEHEHEHE

>>170463674
>>170463875
do you get something for being at higher ranks?

>>170464874
Better teammates.

just kidding. literal fake diamond players are the reason i've tanked

Prolonged Safeguard or Trauma Trigger? 25 percent less damage for four seconds seems insane.

>>170464874
Masters league you get a better mount and high ranks get more gold

>i'm getting matched with bronzies now
i'm betting on bronze 2 for ranked

>>170465485
Prolonged is great if you have a good front line or decent divers.
Trauma Trigger is for if you don't trust your team to protect you.

>play dehaka in qm
>lose
??? i thought this guy was good

>>170465653
you get golds for ranks? might start doing ranked, when does season ends?

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>>170466573
week of the 14th
these are the end of season rewards

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Bets? Is oddish a man or a woman?

>>170466817
yes

>>170466817
>master

how the fuck? he was grand master #20 like a week ago

>pop ossein
>land talented drain hope
>have spell shield
>have talented 25 armor on wraith walk

>still get bursted down in literally less than 1 second by li Ming and ragnaros

Damn what the hell am I supposed to do if my role is tank but I get insta deleted?

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Reminder of reddit karma-whoring sell-out rats: https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/4mh256/theres_a_guy_on_4chan_who_has_accurately_leaked/

https://www.reddit.com/user/SSJ5Gogetenks
>ponyfucker

They are in this thread RIGHT NOW!

>You can't move through Nazeebo zombie wall with Dehaka W
bug?

>>170467342
Dont dive, slow and drain anyone that dives your squishies and pray your team jumps into teamfights as a team also try to get picks with entomb or something.

But Leo sucks in QM because he just doesnt have the sustain to live through 3+ assassins and no support or another tank, he is fine in more balanced comps but sucks in QM as a tank.

>>170467589
That's for heroes not for obstacles.

>>170467654
his W says it makes him "able to pass through units"
Nazeebo wall are units

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>>170452361
>>170453397
>>170455812
Amazon is in fact in the works. Leakanon opened up with a single post saying Amazon is now being worked on, this post is what went on to him saying Lucio should be next and Stukov shouldn't be for a while, after a few people asked him some questions So, yes, Amazon is actually coming, however how fast she's coming is anyone's guess, as he talked about Probius as if he were far away when he was much sooner than he thought.

From the very little bit he said, I remember him saying something about a Lightning Strike ability for her javelin being the only graphical ability being the only thing he's seen.

Either way, you people should remember this shit, I don't know why you don't. He posts very late at night, whenever he does.

>>170467839
No is not units, is an obstacle and that's why Auriel/Diablo can stun you if they push you to the zombie wall and Lucio can wall ride them.

>>170467976
i was sleepy

>>170467647
Yeah, in that scenario I was out of my position by myself, which is definitely my bad. But being erased that quickly while taking all the damage reduction and healing available to me is kinda fucky. That's a numbers problem, not a skill problem.

If one does find themselves solo tanking with leoric in quick meme, is peel>engage generally the thing to do? I'm guessing if a tasty entomb presents itself, then go for it of course. Cuz ive had people yell at me for not going in and tanking, even though it feels like certain death

>>170466704
i see, well not that much gold, think i am going to pass

>>170465653
Do i get anything for being in gold?
It would be unfair as fuck if only diamond shitters got free shit just because they are losers with no lifes and play this shitty game 24/7

I wish i could just blacklist characters, i'm so tired of seeing abathurs in my games.

>>170469203
1000g and a portrair

>>170466704
fuck i will never get out of gold and get that cool stag mount

>>170469203
word i liked it better when i got the epic mount for being plat
now i'm just getting the pleb mount

>>170469638
do team league, you get the mount for being any rank, just gotta do your placements

Is there any reason to pick the water Elemental as Jaina? Ever?

>>170470015
If your tank sucks

>>170470015
It's better if you can't aim ring of frost

>>170465485
Trama trigger is a trap.

First of all scouting drone is better 90% of the time. Checks stealthies of course but it also scouts bushes wards boss contests catches ganks etc. Just don't forget to use it and don't place it far forward.

If you aren't taking scouting drone. Then prolonged safeguard is the better option. W shouldn't really be spammed because it is even less efficient mana wise than q. So it's to protect people from fatal situations or in fights where everyone is low. I self cast it often. As medic you will be targeted so expect to use it on yourself. Something else to consider. Safeguard length has diminishing utility because burst comes up front. You also want the resistance immediately not when you're already low. If you drop below 40% health you should be hitting R as hard as you can anyway so dmg resist isn't necessary and prolonged should last you from 70-40% health.

Trauma trigger isn't horrible but prolonged basically does its job just as well and has other benefits.

Medic needs a rework because the only level without a very clear best in slot in all situations is level 7.

>>170466559
He's much better in ranked coordinated play because he's not a main cc tank. He excels at soaking and assisting not facetanking or bursting.

In a qm constant team brawl game he's probably a little weaker.

>>170467190
>>170467282
The match was lost incredibly hard. It was a real fucking tragedy

>>170470015
When your tank sucks
When the enemy team has too many escapes or not enough melee to get caught
When there is no tank and theres no way you'll get a good ring
When you need to put pressure on another mage that outranges you, like Chromie.

>>170467589
Zombie wall is classified as unpathable structure same as a wall. Dib can smash you into it. Artanis can pass through it but if you're being swapped you cant pass through opposing naz zombies. Vallas vault used to save her though i think they fixed that.

>>170469806
literally useless advice, i'm not some normalfag who has friends to play with

>>170471010
You can path through it with leoric's e.

>>170470138
>>170470153
>>170470740
I see.
Thanks for the tips m80s

>>170471113
Leoric's E can go through gates too.

>>170467589
>>170471010
>Lucio can't wall ride Naz's zombies for some reason.

>Nova will never get her old taunt animation back.

Why did they change it? Come on Blizzard, give it back.

>>170471105
Join /vg/ chat they do tl stuff

I think you can also join the tl chat where randos of all levels group up to do tl.

>>170471613
I swear to god they changed Raynor's AA sound. It use to be good/okay and now it's fucking garbage. Sounds like wet rapid fire farting. I don't know if I am crazy though and just remember it being different.

>>170471105
type in chat "/join lfg"
people are looking for team league groups all the time, just join randoms
a lot of higher players also 'boost' lower ranks because they simply want to do their placements

are the next patch notes out already? would like to see what changes are coming for shit i might buy

Ive been waiting for a starcraft worker hero forever, and this is the shit they give us, only 2 pylons and 1 canon out at a time?

Hes just Gazlowe. Why not let me build gateways, or warp in zealots? Or a shield battery for my team?

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bets

>>170471985
Yep. Very disappointing.

>b-b-but he CAN create a pylon and cannon! see! he's EXACTLY all you could ever ask for!!1!

>>170472035
Silver

>>170472172
i'm already getting matched with bronzies

>>170472162
his E could have 2 charges and it wouldn't be op in the slightest

>>170471985
>Starcraft builder hero
>Barely does any building
>Is a burst mage?
what did Blizzard mean by this.

>>170472283
dont even care abut OP

A probe should be a probe

>>170471985
>>170472162
agree, the hero is totally shit, better than it being so op you find it in every game but its just feels underwhelming, also when i try 2 pylons 1 cannon very fast (like when you spam shit asap in sc2) it doesn't work, feel clunky

Just make him take forever to build anything, and have it require resources or something

I was so excited to play heroes again when I saw a probe hero, this is just disappointing. They had a chance to make something different. but its just another burst damage mage.

They could just make him completely shit and easy to shut down, but let him run around building stuff all day.

>>170472035
I'm curious.

>friend too nervous to do placements
>scared he'll mess them up, asks me to do
>7-3
>Diamond III

Interesting system they've got.

>>170472764
I like our little probe, but not sure about his turret. Perhaps they'll allow you to select the target, or at least have it prioritize heroes?

At least you guys can take solace in knowing he's a more useful Lazor build Gazlowe.

Even after this "rework" Gazlowe is still hot garbage that nobody is going to play. Now, if you're going to go Lazor build, you just play Probius instead.

>>170473360
Fuck Gazlowe, I wanted a Probe.

Matchmaking has been pretty shit in QM, UD and HL i might as well just give up until they revert, i could tolerate stealthies every fucking match but now that i get people with either mega low mmr or twice as high as me i can't stand that the match can be decided in the first 5 minutes unless the whole enemy team gets a seizure at the same time

>>170473676
>or twice as high as me
So you're sub-2k? lamo

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>>170467976
Where are his posts?

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>Probe's worst build path is the one that actually includes things it did in Starcraft
really gets that noggin joggin.

>>170474250
Gone now, this was before Lucio was announced.

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>>170472035
>>170472172
>>170473009
feels bad
maybe i'll hit bronze 5 next time

>>170474504
I have to wonder what kind of amazing spectacles occur down in Bronze. I have no idea what kind of player ends up there.

>>170474504
I believe in you

Why are QM Valeera's the worst things ever?
Pretty much any Valeera without the master skin does nothing but dive 1v5 and feed

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>>170474569
basically everyone is screeching and picking anub against tracer and shit like that
people generally rarely if ever talk
they also tilt once a single team fight is lost
often people claim that we need to "play more aggressively" (e.g. go in solo against their entire team while at a level disadvantage)
it's kinda bad
my luck always gets me on the losing team too
tfw i am the only constant

>>170473360

>That nobody is going to play Gazlowe

I wish, you know fine rightly that people are going to pick him and ruin your game regardless of how good he is.

So sell me on Arthas, whats the point of this hero when everyone is super mobile and teleporty?

Why shouldn't I just choose Muradin?

>>170475301
Syndragosa

>>170475301
Destroys AA heavy teams, good CC, amazing damage, sustain

Haven't played a single game today without an Abathur on either team
Can blizz just delete this piece of shit hero already

Nothing wrong with Abathur. just QM sucks

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>>170474976
>play aggressively as tank
>no one follows up despite being right there
>"stop fucking feeding"

>in unranked draft
>on the fence between sonya nad falstad on towers of doom
>ask varian whether he will play warrior or assassin spec so I can play round him
>"varian is a bruiser"
>"yes, but he has assassin and warrior specs, which will you play?"
>"lol noob learn to play"
Is this what bronze looks like? Almost regret carrying them to a win.

>>170474569
The worst kind of people, honestly.

>smurf placements
>low silver nice
>two people immediately tilted when I hover butcher
>muh trolls
>muh toxicity
>muh teammates
>enjoy the report lol
>I still haven't said anything

Like, I can understand hitting a wall and not realizing what else you could be doing to win, but why do people in literal Bronze have to be such cunts? Nobody down there can even move their fucking Hero. Nothing matters.

>>170474976
Just don't talk. Have your pool of Heroes and try to avoid completely fucking your team in draft. Just focus on your own stuff.

>>170477635
You don't play tass and malf though, you play tass and khara because khara makes up for the lack of damage caused by having double supp.

>>170478178
Tass does enough damage

>>170478556
Siege damage though, he's does fuck all without archon in fights

>>170477909
play tank, you are the only constant, you need to set up plays but be sure, others will belive you did nothing at all, because there lack of knowledge

the worst thing in lower as plat to play is healer because at the slight of defeat people will judge you even you all the time spend your mana to heal wounds that never shud have been hitted in the first place, but why shud someone dodge any red area or skillshot if there is a healer next to them? but if you get oom they die in secnds

>>170478741
I play a lot of solo healer (because no one else wants to and I'm good at it) I just tell people that it's not my job to save them, because it isn't. It's their job to not need to be saved.

>>170466817
she's a girl (male)

>>170474976
most of the time when you fall behind enemy team you shud just focus on xp, the worst is to feed at level 9 vs level 10 enemys

>>170477635
>Being this salty

What is this, bronze? Malf+Tass sucks unless you are coordinated enough to let Valla be your main damage.

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>>170477909
generally tried to pick stuff which i felt was safe, though i was probably really off with that feel

>>170478741
>the worst thing in lower as plat to play is healer
maybe that was my issue

>>170478984
trying to convey that to people who are convinced it's better to run into their full team one by one is a little difficult
i'll just wait until the next season kicks off and try again then

>>170478718
Every tass takes archon now though

>>170479310
Yeah but you're not always going to have it in fights, and it's only really powerful at level 20 when it refreshes

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>>170477076
This shit pisses me off more than anything else in this game.

>two enemies standing to each other have very little health left
>there's me and 2 other teammates super close to me, like the bush a tile up
>engage on the enemies because literally 2 or 3 hits from anyone of those guy and we'll guarantee 2 kills
>they're either blind or just completely retarded and just walk away to do something useless or nothing at all
>both enemies like 1% each but i die
>"wtf" or "stop dying"
IF YOU JUST FUCKING FOLLOWED UP I WOULDN'T HAVE DIED AND WE BE UP 2 KILLS YOU FUCKING RETARDS, YET YOU CALL ME BAD?

>>170478852
She's also absolute garbage at the game, what a guy.

>>170452959

Fun Fact that gets posted every fucking thread: Johanna is not the playable female crusader from Diablo 3. She's a literal who lore character from D3 and doesn't appear in game at all.

>>170475301

Unlike Muradin, Arthas has a niche and a clear strength over certain heroes and compositions.

Muradin is like Mario in Smash Bros. He's not really good at anything in particular, just kind of well rounded. Arthas is very clearly made to counter melee/AA comps and his entire kit is about getting close to people and fucking them close range.

>>170480701
>Muradin is like Mario in Smash Bros.
which smash bros are we talking about
sm4sh mario literally just headbutts everything

>>170480943

Brawl

>>170475301
Arthas is amazing on shrines and is arguably the best warrior against melee-heavy comps.
Especially comps featuring Illidan.
Illidan cries when he sees Arthas in draft.

>>170480215
It's not the same voice actor?

>>170481164

Nope.

Hello /hotsg/ new player here.
It is my understanding that Lunara is basically fighting an uphill battle most of the time but I still kinda like her. Does she have any talents that are particularly useful or particularly shit?

I'm not asking for a full build, I just want to have a general idea of how to make the most of an underpowered character.

>>170481146
Shit like this is exacly why you will never want to run a heavy melee comp. Far too easily countered, ranged has a vastly easier time even when built to be countered, it's still manageable.

>>170481164
Not that guy, but even if it were the same voice actor, Johanna isn't the playable female Crusader. In D3, there's items that allude to the HotS characters, and they heavily imply that these people (At least Johanna and Valla) went missing and were never heard from again.

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>>170480701
>He's not really good at anything in particular
He has amazing sustain, cc, general disruption and escape/chase ability.
When talented a certain way he can even 1v1 a fair amount of heroes.

>>170480701
Her abilities and style are largely reminiscent of the player character, which leads most people to say "Who the fuck cares?"

>>170480215
don't be stupid

Tyrael is calling the D3 characters nephalem and so does Azmodan

a random D3 npc wouldn't be a nephalem

>>170481394
oh hey it's you
https://www.hotslogs.com/Sitewide/HeroDetails?Hero=Lunara

>>170481467

He's kinda good at enough stuff that makes him good. He doesn't have a real tanking niche like Arthas and Anub'arak do.

>>170481394

If you have trouble killing heroes try getting unfair advantage and choking pollen talents for burst damage. Lunara is a sustained DPS hero and has issues landing killing blows, but is amazing at chasing down solo kills.

>>170481972
>Nature's Culling
>Thornwood Vine

It's a satisfying kind of wave clearing, desu.

>>170481790

They also call Xul a naphalem and that's wrong. He's just human.

I don't write this shit, don't bitch at me.

>>170481972
>>170482361
>Lunara is a sustained DPS hero and has issues landing killing blows, but is amazing at chasing down solo kills.

Cool, I'll try to play this advantage up instead of wanting to do something that does not fir her style, thanks for the tips.

>>170482770
make sure to stutter step a ton
if you can't stutter step well you'll be a much worse lunara than one who can

>>170482770
Always keep moving and skirt around the edges of a team fight, never dive because you'll die and spread the poison.

>>170481146
it's nice when the lore fits with the gameplay

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Flavor text of the Diablo 3 item "Johanna's Argument", a legendary Flail for the Crusader.

The fact that Tyrael calls Johanna a Nephalem is very easily explained by the HotS team not knowing or caring that Johanna isn't really the D3 Crusader, and simply tossed in that line from Tyrael addressing her as a Nephalem purely because she's a D3 character.

And if >>170482469 is true, though I've never had a Tyrael address Xul as a Nephalem in all the time I've played Xul, then it means they just don't give a shit and treat it as a generic response from Tyrael to any Diablo hero, because Xul is very obviously NOT a Nephalem, and he even has a line wherein he says something along the lines of "A Nephalem? So the legends are true."

>>170482894
>>170483085
I still haven't gotten stutter step down, need to start practicing that.
I get the idea, I just need to do it enough so it becomes second nature I guess.

>>170483264
I actually just remembered a line where he straight up says "And I'm not even a Nephalem!" after killing a D3 hero. Which... is stronger evidence than the example I gave.

>>170483316
if you haven't yet rebind A to quick cast attacks rather than having it on an on release or A -> left click kinda method
it helps a ton with reliably and quickly assigning auto attacks

>>170483745
Thanks m8, I didn't even know that was an option yet.

>>170484275
yw
you playing on EU or US? maybe i can latch on to you for team league ranked shit

>>170477076
>>170479590
It's called pinging.

I hate it too, but it makes a world of difference.

>>170483264
Since the only thing that was keeping humans from being nephalem was the worldstone and that blew up, I'm wondering if there isn't meant to be a whole new crop of them wandering around Sanctuary and it's just the player characters who got caught directly up in the whole Diablo business. That would mean that it's perfectly plausible for characters like Johanna, Valla, and Li-Ming to BE nephalem even if they aren't THE nephalem.

The fact that they talk shit to the demons in a familiar manner kinda kills that idea, though.

>minding my own business, walking around
>Stitches hooks me through walls

Goddammit, I am taking a break from Overwatch precisely to avoid shit like this.

>>170485972
Try unranked,i've only seen a single stitches in 300 matches i had in that mode, i hope you like meta shit tho

>first game in 3 weeks
>can't stop my team from 1v5ing
oh yeah thats why i stopped playing

>>170486623
>1st game ever week ago
>has an instaleaver
>followed by at least 1 leaver each game for the next 5 games
holy shit it's like playing my first match of SMITE

>>170485597
Wouldn't think too hard on the lore aspect. It's just the hots devs throwing nods at D3.

The lore itself is inconsistant cause we had this big Varian vs Ragnaros cinematic and Jaina narrating abuot how Varian went to a better place so he could continue the good fight.

Meanwhile people who are still alive in WoW like malf, tryande, etc are in the nexus as well. So any referance between blizzard games are just easter eggs.

>>170487137
Exactly. Even the pic in >>170483264 is just an easter egg from the D3 team to HotS. It's obvious because, for someone who knows both games, the "mysterious disappearance" of this mysterious crusader is obviously the arrival to the Nexus, which doesn't exist canonically in the D3 universe. For this reason, it seems clear to me that Johanna could very well in fact be THE Nephalem. This item's flavor text isn't more serious than the one from the Horadric burger or the Blessed Blade of the Windseeker.

Mercy skin for Jaina when?
I know she's not a healer but I think it would look pretty good anyway desu.

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>enemy abathur a nightmare early game
>afraid for late game
>he picks monstrosity

ez

>>170489685
>that lvl 16 talent

lmao

>>170489685
I've never seen anybody take that Level 16 Abby talent.

>>170490109

I think he gave up and only tried to YOLO push with his shitty monster after like 10 minutes.

>>170489685
>tfw no all chat to make sure everybody on the other team reports him for taking monstrosity
>tfw that 16 talent

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>Play Nova
>Wreck the enemy team so hard they whisper you their mad ramblings after the game

>>170490360
I thought Nova sucked?

>>170490759
She can work.

>>170490360
>shit that never happened
Bet you still pick Triple Tap to auto-lose the game for your team.

>>170490759
So does The Butcher, but he still dumpsters shitters.

>>170490759
Eh its not as clear cut as that, she only has like 1 viable build with some wiggle room on some talents and is easily countered by proper play and being revealed as she doesnt have an escape like the other stealthies.

Another problem she has is that she isnt versatile enough, like other assassins that can do other things Nova only kills, so you have to go around looking for ganks instead of soaking or being useful.

She is still good at what she does which is roaming for ganks but she isnt a great hero.

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>want new Chen skin
>know they will never beat warbringer

>>170482469

They literally never call Xul Nephalem

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ARE YOU PREPARED TO RAIN DEATH UPON OUR FOES?

>hear about how the queue times are "way better now"
>still 5 minute queues for QM

>>170493782

Not sure what you mean.

Also queue times vary depending on what hero you pick.

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>tfw blizzard shits on you at matchmaking
>then your team eats each other before 5 minutes in
>then your artanis decides lmao im just gonna feed

>>170494679
>tfw no notification when somebody you reported gets punished

>>170493491
>ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO IGNORABLE DAMAGE AND DIE CONSTANTLY WHILE BEING A MINOR NUISANCE?

>>170494679
You had 6 deaths, he had 2 more than you. I wouldn't really say he was feeding, you and your team just sucked.

>>170495026
I was only damage on our team so I got focused first every fight
but yea team sucked

>>170494679
>retard playing alarak
>feed 6 times
>bitch about artanis

retard bronzie think he is a master

>>170495175
>or art literally announced hes just gonna feed to end match sooner and went from 4 to 8

>>170494679
No offense but your performance was quite horrible. Focus on improving your own play. Also
>QM

>>170494679
>get shit on by enemy alarak
>it's my teams fault
loving
every
laugh

>>170494679
>a kill every 25 seconds

whew

Just getting into this game, how terrible is Uther?
I've always liked the Paladin archetype but I've also heard that he got fucked by power creep in this game? Is that so?

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>its yet another qm teamcomp episode

>>170496513

Not in a good spot. Doesn't mean you can't play him in lower rank though.

>>170496513
You'll achieve much better results playing Brightwing, Malfurion, Lucio with quite a bit less effort.

Due for a rework, as I recall, though.

Can someone do some fast TL matches with me?
I just want to place whatever for the mount

>>170496861
what server?

>>170496513
Unfortunately he is the worst healer in the game right now.

>>170496942
NA.

I asked on the chat but almost everyone ignored me

>>170496628
>>170496815
>>170496997

Oh man... that sucks.
Well, Druids are pretty rad too, I guess I'll start with Malfurion and hope that the rework actually happens eventually.

>>170497004
try the "lfg" channel

>>170497139
Good news though, he'll be getting a rework soon. And by that, I mean he will be getting significant changes.

Namely I remember one of the devs saying they're looking to make him a more tanky healer, to really give him the feel of a Holy Paladin. Sturdy, not-so-mobile healer.

>>170497139
Blizz mentioned his rework months ago and they just give him 10 armor for some reason and reworked some heroes who didn't need one like Tyrael and Anub.

>doing pretty good for a few days, winning most matches, a couple of losses here and there
>suddenly past couple of days is just 5 losses in a row, 2 wins, 5 losses in a row again
Can someone say
F
O
R
C
E
D

50

Why is it every QM game it's like only one team seems to care about winning and the other just does random shit

Like you try to get them to stop feeding and do objectives, but they just want to suicide into structures/entire teams and see how much damage they can do while stunned. Parroting "lol its QM stop raging pjsalt"

Meanwhile the other team is trying as hard as possible to win, playing safe and pressing advantages, good positioning. Somehow I doubt they're following the "its just QM lol"

why

why

why

>>170497396
Yesterday I won 11 games in a row.

The next 5 games, I was placed on the worst fucking teams with the most insufferable fucking braindead fucking children who threw tantrums over the stupidest shit, and two of those games ended up having leavers on my team.

It's hard to not believe in Forced 50 when shit like this happens. Like, clearly those people who were leavers are the type to get so pissy that they leave, I wouldn't doubt they've been punished for it before, and I get them on MY team after a long win streak? Bullshit.

>>170493491
ONE LESS TRAITOR

>>170497820
It's your fault for playing quick meme.

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>>170496557
got a nice abathur player this one. going good

>>170497820
This game does not use an individual-based MMR matchamking system. It goes by team average. So as long as the total average amongst 5 players on one team ROUGHLY matches the same on the opposing team, the system counts it as a fair game.

So this means you usually WILL get anywhere from 1-3 good players, and the others will be horrible player. It doesn't care to match you with people roughly around YOUR MMR, just as long as they're "okay enough" to even out the average number it needs to make a game.

So the answer is, because the matchmaking system gave the worse team, the worse players. And the only good players on that team kind of have to just deal with being stuck with morons. Likewise, the people on the good team, one or two of those players are likely being carried a bit.

>>170497981
not that anon but
>implying cancer league is better
considering it takes like 2-5 minutes to get a game then another 2~ish drafting which someone might leave if they dont get their character they want which raises the point of actually getting to play the hero you want

the people who use "lmao its qm who cares" as an excuse to be a retard are truly the worst

>>170497981
Any other mode is not much better. Rank means nothing in this game. The drafts mean a great amount, then it's up to your teammates to put it to good use, assuming you picked the rock to the enemy team's scissors. Even though you made that right decision, and you are effectively rocking it up, you have to hope your teammates' paper is covering their rocks, etc.

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Bets? All of the bets i've done lately have been tragedies

>>170497276
>>170497315
Speaking of less than optimal healers, I noticed Tyrande is in that section too. How come?
What exactly is she lacking?

>>170498980
She's more damage than healing.

>>170498964
If Varian goes Overpower+Taunt, Blue Team.

>>170498980
She's an excellent support, but a shit healer.
Pair her with Malf and she can back him up, provide stuns and at 16, give a nice damage boost to the team.
Not to mention long distance sight and both of her Ults are perfectly viable.

>>170498964
slight edge to blue. i like sonya there but jaina seems too safe.

>>170498980
Tyrande is like a subpar Uther in terms of healing.
She is like a slightly-subpar Valla if you build her AA.
Her owl build is pretty styling though, but it's also more for showing off than actual effectiveness.

>>170498964
>>170499134
>>170499625
>vfdg

Red insta win

>>170488573
>For this reason, it seems clear to me that Johanna could very well in fact be THE Nephalem.

She isn't though. The crusaders are known to be all over the place trying to fix their faith from D3 lore. Johana's mace wasn't added to D3 untill AFTER Johana was put into hots. Johanna is just a random crusader that got abducted by aliens.

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>>170499796
>>170499625
>>170499134
>>170498964
I died a lot. Ragnaros landed about 20% of his ults

>>170500235
On the bright side if you can carry vfdg you're a gradn master anon.

>>170499064
>>170499245
>>170499648

That sounds pretty alright actually, that -was- how she felt during the tutorial, I thought I was maybe doing something wrong.

So far I'm sticking to Quick Match, which still somewhat confuses me. I gather from context that it forms a party that is (ideally) well rounded. How likely am I to be the only healer if I pick her?

>>170500194
>Johana's mace wasn't added to D3 untill AFTER Johana was put into hots.
Proves my point: this mace is just an easter egg. Therefore, it's flavor text is not reliable, and nothing lets us seriously posit that Johanna ISN'T the Nephalem.

We have two different sources of information about Johanna. One is the mace - an easter egg from another game than the one that introduced the character. The other is the sum of all character lines related to Johanna in Heroes of the Storm. In my opinion, this second source is a lot more reliable because it's the one that introduced the character. What I mean is that it is the most serious of the two. Incidentally, it calls Johanna a Nephalem.

It doesn't mean Johanna is definitely THE Nephalem, especially since this source isn't D3, so it isn't the best possible source. However, it for sure isn't right to use the mace's flavor text to revoke the only serious source of information we have about Johanna.

>>170500910
Not likely, she doesn't count as a healer in qm now but I don't understand why she is the free healer for new players instead of malf or anyone else really.

>>170500910
Very likely.
Used to QM with Tass and get paired against Rehgars and Moraleses. Not fun.
I usually do just Unranked Draft these days when I don't was the pressure of ranked play. Lets you control your composition.
Still have just as little control over getting paired with shitters as you do with QM, but there's no escaping them until you really climb the ladder. And even then, that's no guarantee of escape.

>>170501164
>there's no escaping them until you really climb the ladder. And even then, that's no guarantee of escape.

kek
I came here from Overwatch, so I'm kind of used to that.

>>170501024
>I don't understand why she is the free healer for new players instead of malf or anyone else really.

Maybe they want to boost sales for that Love Goddess skin.
I'm tempted to buy it myself tbqh

>>170501164
You're talking about old QM.

Tyrande and Tass both don't count as healers for QM balance anymore

>>170501470
They fixed it?
That's good to hear. I stopped playing QM almost altogether due to that idiocy.

Looking around the retarded subreddit, people seem to complain about Lucio.

Is he OP at all, or are these people just terrible?

>>170492974
Implying Warbringer ever was better than Luna skin with best hat

>>170501927
He's strong and easy to do well on

>>170501470
dont they still count as healers but it tries to make sure they get put with another healer? Like it wont be a tass or tyrande vs no support

>>170501570
People are complaining about it now because a well-played Tyrande or Tassadar easily beats a no-support team.

Sonya and Varian counting more as Assassins than Warriors also has raised this concern.

>>170502043
Only if they changed it again, last I checked people were bitching about having no support at all while the enemy team had Tyrande or Tass.

>>170502360
Yeah, Blizzard needs to expand their categories. Create a bruiser category for warriors like Sonya. Have a support category for characters like Tass or Tyrandes that's separate from Healer characters.

>>170501927
Pre-16 he's a good healer and can provide amazing support for a team that actually moves with him instead of always splitting off for their own thing.
Post-16 his allies won't die while he's around.

>>170502564
They technically have different categories for QM. I also think Medivh is grouped up with Tass and Tyrande too

>>170502564
While the PTR is still War/Ass/Sup/Spec, the descriptions themselves now list differences, allegedly they are going to use those descriptive terms for QM match making.
The terms being Warrior, Bruiser, Mage, Assassin, Support, Healer, Specialist, Multi-Laner.
I'm probably missing one or two.

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Bets. Watch me feed on marche stream

>>170503841
tilt roflcopter and win the game.

>>170501927
he's strong and would be annoying to people even if he wasn't

>>170503841
>>170503898
I told you, roflcopter is a man child and his days of glory are way behind.

How the FUCK do you deal with E.T.C?
He manages to fuck me up basically every time.

>>170504584
that was fucking tragic

>>170505016
>Illidan is the only damage dealer
>no range heroes
>uther
>0-19

They asked for it.

Why do you play this instead of other MOBAs?
I'm not implying you SHOULD play other MOBAs, I'm just curious about why you prefer this one.

Personally I'm playing it mostly because I really like the character selection.

>>170505119
>short games

That's the biggest reason to play this moba and like you said the character selection is good, it goes from super important lore figures like Diablo to memes like Probius.

>>170505119
I get to be a huge nuisance while playing as Anub and Diablo.

>>170505119
>Why do you play this instead of other MOBAs?

Character selection, other MOBAs look generic as fuck and the graphics are bland as fuck which just adds to the generic look. So graphics and characters.

The game isnt about laning or being stuck in one place forever or doing the same thing over and over and as perfectly as possible, its dynamic, shit happens, fights happen, everything has value and consequences are felt instantly which makes the game much faster and better overall.

I hate MOBAs and I love HotS because its unlike MOBAs.

>>170505119
I got tired of the others.

Burned out on Dota's "FINISH 60 ACHIEVEMENTS IN 30 DAYS EVERY 30 DAYS" bullshit with the compendiums ruining my personal enjoyment and pub games. Been clean for over a year now.
Burned out on Overwatch's infinite-shield three tank meta. Can't even enjoy grinding pubs for loot boxes and Australiums because of just how infuriatingly hard it is to not drop 500 SR a comp game with a 2-game loss streak which requires 4 weeks to grind back up only to drop again.
Never tried League because all the faggy asians I know wouldn't shut the fuck up about it for the past 20 years.
Never going near another Hi-Rez game, let alone MOBA, after what they did to Tribes.
Burned out on most of my games, don't want to start new ones I'll never finish.
Burned out on all the grindy Korean MMOs of the 90s and early 00s.

But I'm sort of getting tired of playing solo in HotS too.
Once I get lv 5 on all heroes (only Lucio and Butcher left not including Cho'Gall. Guess I should count Probius too) and do both placements, I'm probably going to stop playing MOBAs permanently.

>>170505210
>20 minutes is short
Dota and Overwatch games end faster than that. I hear League has surrenders around that time too.

HotS is not short at all. There's just jack-all you can do solo when your teammates are too busy jacking off to stop feeding while behind.

>>170505789
>Dota and Overwatch games end faster than that. I hear League has surrenders around that time too.
Dota games are not really faster.

>I hear League has surrenders around that time too.
By the time people surrender they already spent 15-20 min drafting and at least 30 min laning.

>>170505119
I don't.

Definitely logging on for events, brawls and to clear my dailies, though.

>>170504609
Play safe and watch the minimap. ETC only punishes you when you are too far forward or let him get an angle where he can fuck your escape route.

With P. Slide that no doubt sounds hard to avoid, but that is the case, if you watch for where he and the two assassins that always roam with him are and just back the fuck up before the ambush attempt he's not setting you up to die.

The only real issue is that a lot of people don't understand that during laning phases you don't have to, or necessarily want to push the enemy minions all the way back.

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Kill me please.

>>170506130
Sorry for sucking.

>>170506213
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Everyone has bad days.

>>170505119
>>170505789
How's smite? Is it any good?

Blood Elf Tyrande or Love Goddess Tyrande /hotsg/?

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>>170507171
EZ

>>170507171
Goddess.
It is extremely unfair how many good skins Tyrande has and my girl Valla has zero.

>>170507171
Blood elf, obviously. Seasonal skins are pure and absolute shit.

>>170507332
>deputy valla
>bad

lol

>>170507409
>le cowgirl skin
No

>>170507487
Yes

>>170506634
No

Probius is shit

>>170477635
>using that garbage website
lamo

>>170493265
I remember some Xul quote about second generation

>>170505119
Short games, games more based around the heroes themselves, not what items go good with which character, and I've been a huge Diablo and WarCraft fan since I was a kid.

>>170509639
>not being able to itemize once in the game
>losing harder in draft than ever before

I love hots, but don't quite understand the appeal of this.

>>170478741
I've never been that low in rank but I would think medic would be great. If you're good at her then she can just carry teams through sheer healing. I've never seen many that play her well though.

>>170507332
>cowgirl not awesome
>van helsing not neat
>one of the very very few heroes in the game that actually has a nice master skin
Get some taste, pleb.

>>170512437
Not that guy but Tyrande has a nice Master skin too.
Jaina too, though losing the midriff is a terrible trade-off.

>>170500194
Johanna, Valla and Sonya are all nephalem from D3, Tyrael refers to them as such and even tells them it's good to fight by their side again.

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http://vocaroo.com/i/s0NGwpSCTSSy

get the brain bleach and/or fap napkin.

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>>170513720
good shit my man
A+

>>170513963
is it bad that I made it and I laugh harder every time I listen to it?

>>170513720
Huh.

Not what I was expecting.

What is up with the amount of mirror in QM?

Have they finally added Grom Hellscream yet?

>>170506130

>lili

No sympy. Die faggot.

>>170507320
I want to marry love goddess tyrande

I wish whichever dev thought Medivh was a good idea would just drop fucking dead right now.

>>170518068
agree, i think it's a fairly skilled character relatively to the rest of the cast, but it's so cancerous to play against

>>170513720
mmmh....
nootka...

>>170498046
Idunno how bad that abba is, but a medivh with valeera makes playing as abathur hard.

Towers of Doom and Tomb of the Spider Queen are the absolute worst maps , and I really wish they'd just remove them completely.

Their objectives are such poorly designed trash. While the idea of reconstructing buildings on Towers isn't a bad one, the execution is terrible. The whole "lol we killed them now lets play musical forts" shit is boring, and Tomb's objective is far too weak, and easy to negate. It scales horribly into late-game.

>>170495010
>ignorable damage
>he doesnt top damage when playing leoric
hmmm

>>170474348
>What are the archives?
Go look for them.

>Creating a custom game and adding a Gall AI doesn't let you play as Cho

What the heck???

Please disable Abathur and Stitches in QM.

I cannot fucking stand playing wither either of them on my team. I just can't. And it's fucking sad when the enemy team loses just because they have one of them, as well. Well fuck, maybe not Abathur, at least I see the stupid thing win sometimes, but Stitches? There's no reason to play him.

Started playing recently, I hit level 10 on Nova the same time I hit level 40. Nova best hero/waifu.

I was really surprised that it's not just a DotA/LoL clone, HotS actually tries to do its own thing. Feels a lot like old, ~season 2 of LoL before Riot sold out, canned their game designer, and went in a new direction.

So far I like the balance between personal skill and teamwork. You can't solo-carry as much as in DotA yet individual skill is more important than in League. Haven't actually tried ranked yet because I need more heroes at 5, so I've probably been matched against scrubs so far.

>>170524327
once you hit ranked you won't have much fun with Nova. Since there is a pick phase, Nova would be easy to counter and only be useable in niche situations. I'd advise you to learn different roles and don't forget to have fun.

>>170523890
some heroes are really powerful when you have a strong team communication and as long as you don't play the game with 4 other friends it won't happen. it's not the fault of stitches. He's a really good hero.

>>170523890
I think the problem is more match-making in QM. They definitely have some kind of algo at work because you get mirror matches all day, but it needs to be tuned better.

Abathur seems alright, the problem is more that people suck with him. Good Abathurs can be godly.

I have huge beef with Murky in QM because he creates as much map pressure as Zagara or Azmodan but he doesn't seem to get matched against other pushers very much. As well, Murky is very map-dependent. On the bigger maps his egg is total bullshit, he can feed as much as he wants and still be a net asset for his team because of how much time he saves by rezzing. Trying to kill the egg on big maps is pointless too, you waste your time looking for the thing to MAYBE get a legit kill on Murky.

On the other hand, Murky is kinda shitty on the smaller maps.

>>170523020
I agree on Towers of Doom, I don't think Spider Queen is that bad.

Imo the problem with Spider Queen is that the way the objective works, the game ends up snowballing. The team with the early advantage in map pressure will be able to turn in their gems, getting spiders. Then they have no gems to lose in a fight, their opponents are sitting on a decent stash because they couldn't turn in, and the weaker team has to waste skills/time/damage on dealing with the spiders. The only other map you can lose Map Objective progress is the Pirate one, and that one isn't as bad because there's one turn-in point so the weaker team can camp it and try to pick off a load of coins.

I wish they'd rework Greymane's talents so he actually had a coherent Worgen build. Like cooldown reduction on his Worgen Q whilst also gaining the increased swipe distance and shit. Just feels like his only real coherent build is building around his Human form in one way or another.

>>170524917
>He's a really good hero

>>170523020
towers of doom is the most balanced (and best) map, what needs to be removed are fucking garden of terror and the golem map

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>Arthas
>"In return for his extra control in teamfights, his damage has been reduced."
>Eternal Hunger now stacks infinitely and at level 13 his root debuffs armor by 15 for 4 seconds

Must feel bad to be the unpaid intern that has to write this garbage

>>170505119
>Why do you play this instead of other MOBAs?
Not as complex as DotA while not having Riot leading it.
I was pleasantly surprised by how good HotS is after hearing nothing except how shitty it is since launch from people who've probably never touched it.

>>170505119
more fun than dota, and blizzard is showing better care than valve, less russians

>>170498046
I think your team did good .... BECAUSE YOU STOPPED DYING SO FUCKING MUCH

>>170525178
Towers of Doom is objectively the least-balanced map. It's the smallest and the laning mechanics are totally different from all the others; because of that, hero balance gets turned upside-down.

I guess it's fine if you aren't doing QM and you know you're gonna play it, but in QM it's the odd map out and it just fucks some heroes.

>>170524863
Nova has some ridiculous counterpicks (like Tracer who hard-counters), but she's no more a niche pick than any other "ranged assassin". Stealth is her specialty but after level 7 she's quite happy to sit and plug away at enemies. I don't think she's going to fall off until I get to the point where players are truly zealous about noticing stealthed champs and figuring out which is the hologram.

>>170515837

People cry about unfair match ups and long waits. Mirror matches happen for a lot of readons, but basically you either wait 100 seconds and get a mirror match or wait 900 seconds and get a "fair" match. For now, blizz chose the 100s.

>>170505119
I don't want to spend 40 minutes playing one match, especially if we're getting stomped with no hope of coming back.

The hero designs are more unique than those of LoL, and easier than those of DotA. Also the release schedule is much more fast-paced than those two.

I like the talent system way more than items. I like that the actual properties and dynamics of your skills change over the course of the game, and they change based on how you want them to. It feels like a much better way to grow stronger, and gives heroes multiple playstyles in a better way than items do. The fact that you can choose between two ults is huge in those regards.

I like the concept of having more than one map; it gets boring going for the same objectives and doing the same routes every single match.

Finally, laning makes me sick to my stomach. I can't fucking stand it nor all the autism associated with it anymore.

>>170525059

I think his worgrn build is fine.

Having too much consecutive talent synergie is bad though. Having to choose between range and CDR is a good hard decision. Having to choose between 3 shitty cocktail talents is not good though.

>>170505119
It's FUN

>>170526354
The real issue with nova is Zeratul (and now valeera) does everything she does better as a stealthy, and every other ranged does better as a ranged. She also has by far the worst waveclear in game.
That said, she's perfectly playable, I know a guy who played her exclusively to grandmaster.

>>170513720
You are a legend
can I request /u/

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>>170496513
He's not strong at the moment and is usually run with specific comps to accomplish something.

That said whenever I see him it's usually some uther main that is really good and does fine. If you like a hero and get good at them then you can do well all the way up to masters. Just get very good at him before you play ranked if you want to pick him and expect hesitation from the team. But if you tell them to get mad if you're outhealed or die a lot and you can back that up you'll be fine.

Also they have been buffing him and he is on the list for a rework in the coming months.

>>170498143
>>170498258
Sure not every hl game is great but at least it's not dota where the matches last forever. On average I have much better luck working together in hl than qm but there's nore flaming in ranked because its supposed to be try hard. Most people don't try to lose in qm but they also don't really care so you can't complain too much.

>>170498980
Tyrande is a general support not a healer. She's taken for burst comps because of her stun and damage amps. Or to help with the obj on immortal map. She can solo heal but pairing her with another support that can heal is a good idea.

>>170500910
Not many people que as support in qm so if you don't take support its likely neither team will have one. Qm tries to match teams with equivalent heroes by role. But a 4 stack can que as 4 supports so you never know.

I'd suggest fucking around in qm on a hero to level 5 (5ish games) and get an idea of how they work and your talent choices. Use the gold bonus at 5 to buy eho you like and then stick to unranked if you want realish games and comps. Qm is for trying things out and shenanigans.

>>170501927
He's a very strong healer possibly the strongest and has a low skill floor. It's irritating how little payoff mastering things like track switching and positioning has until 20.

>>170513720
Thanks doc

>>170530475
>The real issue with nova is Zeratul (and now valeera) does everything she does better as a stealthy, and every other ranged does better as a ranged
I'm not too familiar with zeratul because he doesn't seem to be very popular, but I've seen plenty of Valeera and those were my thoughts exactly. However, I think Nova's strength lies in her flexibility. Her hologram and cloak allow her to get a good position in teamfights, and those same tools allow her to escape bad fights without dying. Her talent tree doesn't force her to choose between assassin or DPS, and so she can perform whichever role is more useful in a fight. Often I'll start a fight as a DPS, then leave early to hunt down and KS fleeing enemies.

Valeera and Zeratul are more constrained. They're better at bursting a target, but they can't jump into a fight anytime they like.

>She also has by far the worst waveclear in game.
Yeah it's fucking godawful until she's 7, at which point it upgrades to terrible. I refuse to attack minions at all prior to 7. Her waveclear can be decent/good if you take the AoE snipe at level 13 + holo decoy damage at 16 though.

Btw, Nova's lvl 7 talent choice is a pure noob trap, there is no situation where "One in the Chamber" (80% atk bonus) is NOT better than the other two.

>>170534392
>there is no situation where "One in the Chamber" (80% atk bonus) is NOT better than the other two.
Anti-Armor is better if you can't get more than like 1 AA in.

New Arthas is BUSTED and I will not let anybody forget it!

>>170534563
It's not, it makes your waveclear non-existant. And you NEED to clear waves, even as a Nova.

>>170534835
>not aspiring to be like the 98 siege damage illidan

>>170534563
The addition of baseline armor and physical armor actually makes Anti-Armor worse than just one pinning shot + AA or one snipe + AA and running.

>>170506130
> kill me please

I believe the enemy team already has that covered. 11 times over, in fact.

>>170509979

Not having generic items for everyone means:

- more substantial hero design variety
- individual customization and builds rather than generic ones
- less game time wasted making trips to the store and back
-less snowballing, generally better comeback mechanics
-non carries get cool stuff too

On the potential downside it means:

-learning individual builds for each hero
-less of a personal reward for solid farming and not dying, so you don't get to snowball and carry if thats your thing
-individual talents aren't going to cover as much as hundreds of items

Something about the way Lucio looks in this game is off and I can't quite put my finger on it.

>>170536004
hes a nigger

>we are making a BUILDER hero
>haha loser it was protoss themed chromie all along!

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>>170513720
First genuine laugh I've had at something on this board in a while.
Glad to see you memers finally getting your game on.

>>170536291
>play probius in PTR
>realize he is just another muh burst mage 2 button combo

wtf is wrong with nu-blizzard? why cant we have a hero that spends all the time building and repairing shit?

my kit would remove the w ability and replace it with a repair structure skill that could be talented to also deal channeled damage or heal allies

probius passive should be the photon turret with 2 charges and infinite duration (can only have 2 turrets on 3 with level 20 talent)

e should be the pylon

so 1 pylon and 2 turrets, this would make you have to think about were to place your pylon

also ult 1 could be a teleport, target an ally and teleport to nearest pylon

>>170536291

To be fair how does a pure builder interact with team fights and going to objectives in a fun way?

How do you make that fun to fight against too? You could easily end up with a builder who traps huge masses of their units in causing performance problems. They could make pushing a lane a huge pain in the ass, drawing the game out in a boring way.

>>170536738
Then don't fucking do it if you can't.

>>170536608
Probes can't repair you fucking retard.

>>170536963
He has a point in that Probius should be more focused on building, though.

>>170536738
the same could be said about abathur, murky, cho gall, the fun thing about hots it's that it tries to do difretent things

sure some people might find playing a builder boring like some people think that abathur is boring

what we have now is another burst mage, we have plenty of those, why make another one? just try to make a pure builder and balance him, some people will enjoy him and those who want to play a mage can go and play chromie kael or jaina

>its a Varian dances through your backline wielding his pocket medivh and your team blows their whole load on him while their backline is having a field day
>its a your lucio thinks he is some hot shit running in front of the tank just to eat the slow, taunt, ded combo of varian episode
in which league are the good players hiding?

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>>170537034
I agree with this.
But not fucking repairs.
I can't really think of something else he can build that doesn't just make him an Abathur/Xul though.

If Azmo didn't have Demonic Invasion we could've had a mass Zealot/Adept warp-in ult.

>>170534563 >>170535025
I mean technically you might contrive a game where it's better to take Anti-Armor... it allows you to get off a quick attack and keep moving, and if you take Longshot, the level 1 Pining shot/AA range increase, you can deal decent damage to enemies you otherwise wouldn't have been able to hit.

But there are so many problems with this. If you can't hit someone as Nova, it's probably because there's someone else in the way who can chase you down if you try it. So if you took Longshot + Anti-Armor, you're now gonna want the 2x Pin shot charge talent so you can pin the target, get off an empowered auto, then pin the scary guy so you can run away safely.

So then the question is how badly do you need to kill that guy, because you're giving up a huge damage increase from One in the Chamber, plus you're locking yourself into two Pin talents which may or may not be otherwise useful. Then, are you even going to get the kill with that empowered Pin + AA? The only two heroes in the game that sit in the middle of their allies and are worth assassinating are Brightwing and Morales, and they heal over time, so unless they already took some damage there's no way you're gonna kill them.... MAYBE if you take all the Pin talents + Precision Strike?

OR you can take One in the Chamber and increase your overall damage output by like 30% without even doing anything special.

Now that I've typed all this out I think I'm gonna try the all Pin talents + Anti-Armor + Precision strike sometime, I'm pretty sure my normal build is hella better but this build would be a lot of burst and you could maybe delete some people.

>>170537174
He should be able to turn into a mothership at 20

>>170535864

The problem is, talents don't *really* offer that much customization. Hots hero designs are rigid, because there's no items obviously. In Dota I can pick Omniknight and build carry items and try to play him as a carry. Sure it isn't that great, but it's very much doable. In Hots if I pick Uther, no matter what talents I pick it's largely the same.

I like talents but Blizzard isn't very good at designing/balancing them.

>>170537059

But all of those heroes, even abathur go to objectives and fight people; Even if abathur does it with mines, clones, and symbiosis.

I'm not against building. But how do you make the building fun, make it interact, clear up minion pathing issues with it, and make it fun to play against?

>>170536963
>probes can't repair

last time I checked probes could shot fucking plasma explosions at will

if we are going to make probes do things that dont fit them at least develop a fantasy arround builds and structures instead of explosions

>>170537174
He doesn't need to build more different things. He needs to be able to build more pylons and photon cannons. Make both permanent, reduce his other abilities damage, and increase their utility.

>>170537427
example:

probious can enter the photon cannon and gain control over it, photon cannon has a special skill set

>>170537456
>last time I checked probes could shot fucking plasma explosions at will
That's an acceptable change.
But one of Protoss's gimmicks is that they can't heal their health, just have shield regen.

>queue QM with two friends
>go varian tass tyrande
>queue into teams with no tanks or healers
Free wins

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>looking at Nova and her different skins in the shop
>rotate her model to check out her ass
>"It's rude to stare, you know?"

S-sorry

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