/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

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>>170096364
first for Stellaris name rate

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I'm bored. Any fun strategy game like Dragonshard or Majesty with a RPG aspect to it?

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>methodically test out different Stellaris ship designs to see what's objectively the best
>turns out it's pic related

just kill me now.

>>170096791
>its another "spam corvettes XD SOO EASY LOL!" episode

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>>170096538
>Implying NCR would ever be able to get into space

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xth for what do I do with this shit, Paradox?

>>170097029
>implying Mr. House would ever leave his tiny strip
he doesn't care about anything but hoarding his shekels in his casino

>>170097094
Terraform

>>170095502
>California
>icon is the whole world

>>170097458
I couldn't find any fallout icon mods... so i just made it earth since they took over the earth

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>>170097602
>so i just made it earth since they took over the earth
Congratulations, you just made the world in 1984 sound appealing.

>Old thread dies right after someone makes a post

>>170097602
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=682165224 has some Fallout stuff pretty sure, but I don't remember if it has the two headed bear

>>170098228
The clones were damn cute in that anime.

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>it's an "all AI civs denounce, then declare war on you for standing up to the guy who eats capitals for breakfast" episode
Enjoy getting conquered by African Hitler you fags

>Everyone surrounding me is a pacifist
I guess this is my fault for not setting the AI to aggressive.

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>>170096364
In Stellaris how do I prevent my empire if it's individualist from being mostly xenos? Like I conquer hostile worlds and shit and overtime I notice my empire becomes more Xeno until humans are only like 1/8th of my empire total population, But if I want a kind of mixed human, xeno society though I don't wan't xenos to grow to large in my own empire. Is there anyway I can keep my people as the primary in my empire? Trying to go for a cyberpunk/Militarist themed empire also. Mix of Ghost in the shell/Lain/Starship troopers/Halo.

>>170100221
>In Stellaris how do I prevent my empire if it's individualist from being mostly xenos?
You don't, unless you go for something retarded like Individualist/Xenophobe.

Individualist is the multiculturalist ethic, and this is a game made by Swedes. Prepare to be culturally enriched.

>Spectre runs around the system and ends up in my FTL inhibitor on my fortress
>luckily there's a SIXTY THOUSAND fleet right next to it
>actually manage to kill it
>a second spectre comes literally just the day before I strike the first one down
>clears the system of FOUR SPACEPORTS
>decide to let it stay there for a while since my secondary fleet is not gonna take it down from 60% HP
>at the same time the militaristic fallen empire that declared on me for having too much fleet power rolls around its main force on my secondary fleet
>clears house because secondary fleet doesn't have a titan
>spaceport that is supposed to be pretty strong is actually made of paper and deals less than 1000 damage in a whole month
This is my fault for letting too many mods stack onto eachother
the spaceport extender is definitely going away, 18 modules is nice unless your spaceport is literally made of paper

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>>170101013
Ugh, because I like the Military Republic government type but the issue is it requires the individualist ethic even though only soldiers can vote. Kind of mad I can't do an oligarchy or Authoritarian government type without it making it sound like my empire is North Korea. Like I wan't to use the Military Junta, or Technocratic government either as an oligarchy or Authoritarian. Like my thing ethics are usually Materialist, Militarist, and the finale is switched around as either xenophobe, Authoritarian or individualist. I just wan't to make a Cyber-Militarist government that treats it's own people well while Xenos are allowed though are clearly secondary citizens.

>>170102057
>it requires the individualist ethic
I dont think so

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>>170102534
In base game no but in my increased government types and ethos it does.

>>170102057
Republics do not require the individualist ethic, they only require that you do not have the collectivist ethic. Also military republic is kind of a garbage government type. I've long wanted to make one, but the bonuses are just too trash to make anything viable. Can't wait for 1.5 so I can finally make a military republic that isn't trash.

>>170103216
Man that looks so cluttered.

>>170103216
you can change it by going into the mod files and removing that requirement for the government you want

>>170103365
It can be a mess and confusing at first but Ethic&Government Rebuild is one of those mods that once you start using them you'll find it hard to go back to playing Stellaris without 'em.

Gonna be interesting seeing how it will change after 1.5

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>>170096538

>>170102057
>it requires the individualist ethic even though only soldiers can vote.

That makes perfect sense. The Military Republic is a democracy and therefore promotes individual rights. The prerequisite for the franchise, however, is military service.

>I just wan't to make a Cyber-Militarist government that treats it's own people well

Then treat your own people well. Don't use slavery or purge. It's pretty simple. I'm not seeing what your problem is.

>>170103961
Not an american here, but what's the problem with California? I thought it was Florida that everyone hated?

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>>170103365
actually 10/10 mod desu, never have i had so much fun playing military industrial, ubermench

>>170104140
>what's the problem with California?

It's full of Californians.

>I thought it was Florida that everyone hated?

I hate Florida too. But I hate California more.

>>170104129
I find it boring when you can just godmode from the start.

>>170104309
Woops meant for >>170104224

>>170104129
I guess the way the game sounds when you use them sounds like dicks, Like as a Cyber-Authoritarian I notice if rebels pop up my leaders talk about destroying the non-conformist, which just rubbed me the wrong way.

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>>170104309
Did you reply to the wrong post?

>>170104416
>I guess the way the game sounds when you use them sounds like dicks

Why?

>Like as a Cyber-Authoritarian I notice if rebels pop up my leaders talk about destroying the non-conformist, which just rubbed me the wrong way.

So you think the appropriate response to armed insurrection is to give them hugs and bonbons?

>>170104129
>I'm not seeing what your problem is.
He wants a democratic empire that allows xenos, but is still human majority. Basically just a few xenos for flavor. Thing is the more you blob and add xeno systems to your empire, the more they are gonna eventually outnumber your founding species unless you prolifically colonize with them.

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>>170104224
>All those traits

>>170104507
Yes, see >>170104375

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>>170104507
No Kill the ever loving shit out of them and make an example out of them its just the reason I wan't my leader to hate them is for ruining the unity of my.... Actually I see what your getting at now, I get your point fuck it i'm gonna be the cyber AI god guiding mankind to greatness among the stars all who go against me go against the future security and prosperity of man!

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>>170104541
whats actually interesting is the AI spawns with a equal or greater fuckton of traits also, so i have to stay competitive or get stomped by some herbivore/apexpredator/political genius

it certainly makes interesting games

>>170096791
how did you test?
Is price part of it? why not max out wiht reactors?

>>170100221
stop them from migrating

>>170105762
why would you add more reactors than absolutely needed?

>>170105920
Surplus energy gives boosts to damage.

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>>170104224
>military industrial, ubermench
>not a military republic of psionic butterflies

>>170106136
Are those Covenant ships or am I mistaken?

>>170106491
Those are indeed covenant ships. I should probably pick something more fitting.

any /wgg/ folks know where i can get Gary Grigsby's War in the Pacific

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>Test out 22 star map from a mod to see if it still works
>Try to mess around in it a bit to test mod features
>See this

>>170105762
>how did you test?
console commands. You can spawn ships and do experiments and shit. Conclusions for retards:

base corvettes > everything in the game except specific end-game anti-corvette spec'd BB/Cr

You can beat those spec'd ships with plasma corvettes or base large ships. Technology is a meme in Stellaris.

>>170106136
i do have to say that sounds very tempting...
do you have at least one world named "mothra"?

>>170105942
Aaaaand...now all my ships have no armor or shielding, but fight fallen empires to a stand still

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>>170096364
Are the default species traits okay? I'm thinking of dropping both and picking up Industrious (15% Minerals)

I'm going for a fashy Avatar/Starship Troopers/Russian feel. This would be my first real game so I'm not looking to min/max

>>170110206
defaults are...okay
not min/maxy
not really optimal though...
if this is your first REAL playthrough you should be fine, but alot of people quickly mod their game because vanilla is...okay...at best.

>>170110206
Nomadic is garbage even if you aren't going min/max mode. Would be a good idea to drop it.

Is it possible to demolish borough streets in Endless Legend? Search engine and wiki is useless for simple answers.

Gotta do a little replanning.

>>170111412
but why would anybody be jealous of autism?

>>170111105
If you aren't nomadic quick learner's you canonically aren't Human

>>170112174
I'm pretty sure it's not possible, sorry anon.

>>170112457
Wouldn't adaptive be more in line with how humans are viewed in sci fi?

>>170112702
>Wouldn't adaptive make more sense
Probably but you know paradox... Can't do anything right

Can you only have slaves if you are xenophobic/collectivist? I want to create an empire that favor certain races but enslaves others but don't want everyone to be pissed off at xenos being free.

>>170115829
Keep them on separate planets.
Xenophobe pops are only angry when they live on the same planet with not enslaved filthy xeno.
Free xenos on other planets don't bother them.

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>submarines can attack infantry two tiles inland
>they use torpedoes
>there is a spash animation upon impact

Civ 6 diplomacy is so much better than Civ 5. They actually give up and offer you more than what you've already conquered when you have a much larger military force than them on their doorstep.

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Has anyone ever friended Gorgo? I've been friendly with her for over 100 turns and she still won't declare a friendship with me.

has anyone beaten the Civ V scenarios on immortal or deity? I want to 100% the game but I can't figure out how to do this to save my life

>>170119405
I haven't tried. I've only beaten the Polish and Australian scenarios on Prince. They would be very though on Deity. Though if I can beat Scramble for Africa as the Boers on Deity then anything is possible.

>>170119405
luck, hope, and aggressive abuse of the civ 5 AI

>>170119776
this one is especially brutal. DoWs on turn 2 by two civs that are way more advanced and you have 4 shitt units and 2 cities. I've never even lasted 20 turns.
I've beaten the 1066 one on emperor and that's it

>>170062681
Sounds like 1984

>>170120358
war is peace, freedom slavery.

>I'm a big laser believer. I really believe they are the wave of the future.
>t. Courtney Cox
Seriously though, what did they mean by this?

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I love the smell of burning molluscoids in the morning.
Smells like... victory.

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What do I even do with these

>>170120013
To win Scramble for Africa you just have to get lucky and have a good start or have a great start. I tried using a map with a walkthrough I got from a website and everything went according to plan except Portugal DOWd me towards the end and they literally had hunits as far as the eye could see. There was nothing I could do. Then I rolled until I got a nice mountain range. I moved both my Settlers north to settle within the mountain range on a river and where rifled canons couldn't target my cities except from a few select spots. I was literally holding off all of Europe with just a few units at a few key choke points. I lost to Ethiopia, restarted from the half way point, focussed more on culture, and won. I wish I saved the a screenshot of my location.

>>170123274
>ongoing purge
looks like you got it right anon

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>>170123274
Literally never seen that before. Is it modded?
'Cos I've seen Ringworld Preference in vanilla before, on the Sanctuary shits.

>>170123412
nice. have you managed the ottoman one? I figured this is harder becaude your start is set and you woll habe to defeat ethiopia one way or another

my friend is a long time civ4 player who is giving 5 a go after it was on the humble bundle. what's the best way to teach the differences between games?

>>170123990
Yep, I just checked and I won that four days after I won as the Boers. Both were about 11 months ago.

>>170124275
tell him to play the fucking game

civ 5 is babby's second civ

>>170102053
I have a spectre popping up two times in my game on empty systems and then going away
I WANT to fight it

Also
>clears house because secondary fleet doesn't have a titan
YOu can build Titans?

>>170122492
>fuck your mother
>In Space

>>170121441
They were trying to kill Sean Bean irl

>>170121441
Someone should tell that guy that lasers are inferior to kinetic and plasma weaponry.

>>170121441
>laser
>wave
I love this quote

>>170129018
>kinetics V are the only starting weaponry to remain relevant till the end game


What did they mean by this?

>>170131161

That it's hard to match the destructive potential of throwing something, really, really fast.

where can is set the maximum stockpile capacity?

if you have materlaisitc as your ethos, do you geta global boost all the time, or the pops taht have the ethos get the bonus?

>>170119369
wow they're really reaching hard for those feminist leaders huh

>>170134778
only the pops that have the trait

>>170134947
so unless i go mass mindcontrolling, or pick spiritualist its worthless?
nice

>On the next Stellaris expansion you'll be able to use aliens as cattle
>Can also genetically modify them to be delicious
Was regular genocide not enough for these absolute madmen?

>>170135236
it's the same with all ethos mate. Only pops with militarist ethos will be happy during a war; only pops with spiritualist will have a boost to negative ethics divergence, etc.

If your government has materialistic ethos then the bulk of your empire should be your own (starting) pops with that ethos so no, it's not worthless

>>170135387
It doesn't have to be genocide, you can eat them sustainably.

>>170112457
>humans
>quick learners

LMAO

>nomadic
our species isn't defined by nomads

>>170134929
wat

>>170135797
>our species isn't defined by nomads
the parts of our species that survive according to paradox are

but yeah realistically speaking humans special traits are more like being religious, being good looking, being good at lying, and having a strong naval tradition

>>170135387
is killing all the chickens in the world genocide?

>>170136052
No, that'd be speciecide.

>>170136052
>>170136349
Xenocide?

>>170135971
agrarian
resilient
slow learners

>>170135971
>>170135797

Humans most definitely evolved as nomads. The ones that didn't got fucking murked by various climate shifts. Traits don't represent what the species has done after its civilization, they represent the species which became sentient from the foibles of evolution. That's why they get changed or improved upon by genemod techs.

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>>170136772
>Humans most definitely evolved

>>170137161
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.

>>170136648
Chickens are not aliens.

>>170137648
That's what you think.

>>170137324
it's clearly supposed to be the species as it is when it goes interstellar, the primitive species have fewer traits too.

nomadic never really described humanity anyway, nomadic lifestyles are something you do out of necessity not an innate desire, we always lived in cities or villages otherwise, in fact we should probably have communal since it's literally possible to die from loneliness

if you look at the description it says this race doesn't think twice about leaving their home behind for a new land, does that really describe someone who would go to say, mars? on a one way trip?

no, in every way it's a completely ridiculous trait to assign to humanity

>>170138223

Primitive species have fewer traits because they haven't yet gone through the new evolutionary pressures put upon them by technology.

>in fact we should probably have communal since it's literally possible to die from loneliness

What if I told you people could move around in a group?

If it means anything, humans are definitely a mixed bag. I'd build them something like this for contemporary Earthlings:

>Militarist, Spiritualist, Xenophobe
>Deviants, Nomadic, Intelligent

>>170138223
>nomadic never really described humanity anyway, nomadic lifestyles are something you do out of necessity not an innate desire
Tell that to the Sioux

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>>170138223
Not that Anon, but I still gotta shitpost my own opinion.

What you're saying might be true, (that we are more communal than nomadic considering our modern history) but you have to take into consideration that traits in Stellaris are not a strict measure of how a species behaves.

Traits are more like a way to distinguish species behaviors and capabilities compared to each other. They're a relative form of measurement between species.

Say that humans are not actually that nomadic. They could still show a behaviour much more nomadic than every other species in the galaxy has. The only thing the nomadic trait suggests is that that species is more nomadic than any other species that doesn't have the trait.
Maybe humans really are communal. They could still be far less communal that a species that has the Communal trait.

>>170104140
They're generally considered snobbish, elitist, and extremely left-wing.

>>170139157

Which sucks, because there are only five places in CA like that:

>San Fran
>Los Angeles
>Beverly Hills
>Palm Springs
>Oakland

>>170139312
>scrap detected
Berkely and Davis and pretty much every other northern city with a UC. Way moreso than Oakland.

>>170139312
Most people outside of Cali are only going to know the first three and Silicon Valley.
Also pretty sure those parts outnumber the rest of Cali combined, might be wrong.

>>170138928
And what stellaris says about humanity is that we have no particular connection to the earth and think nothing of leaving her behind.

>>170139561
>And what stellaris says about humanity is that we have no particular connection to the earth and think nothing of leaving her behind.
Compared to other alien species without the Nomadic trait, yes.

>>170139460

>Also pretty sure those parts outnumber the rest of Cali combined, might be wrong.

Indeed you're wrong.

>>170139448

Nah, I'm a New Yorker, but I had forgotten about Berkeley.

>>170138786
>If it means anything, humans are definitely a mixed bag.
well gee, it's almost like we're the baseline we'd compare all other species to

>>170139821
>>170139312
>forgetting Berkeley when there was a literal antifa riot there

>>170138928
why is the dude so sad?
And why is she holding her vibrator?

>>170140710
He wasn't invited to the tentacle alien orgy the girl is discussing with the aliens. She was.

>>170140710
>why is the dude so sad?
His shoe was taken.

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>>170141307
Heh, didnt see it. neat.

I just played Civ VI for the first time after always thinking civ games looked boring as all hells to me because this one in particular looked interesting but now I kinda feel like I wasted at least 4 hours of my life that I won't be getting back because even though I kept going I'm not sure if I enjoyed it at all

I legitimately can't tell if I had fun or if I kept going out of inertia, and I'm not entirely sure if the reason of this uncertainty is because I'm dumb, because I'm new to the game and thus ignorant, or because this game in particular is just unenjoyable

>>170140710
>>170141307
>If we ever encounter another intelligent species, is there any guarantee that they will recognize us as intelligent too? Here, the 'sock puppet aliens' only seem to respond to something that looks like them, hence the impromptu use of a fellow officer's sock as a means of communication. It seems to be working!
http://www.michaeldashow.com/zoom/zoom_sockpuppet.html

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>2 hills with forests AND deer
>Both can be gotten in your base capital range

It's almost better than starting next to Salt in Civ V.

>>170142116
If aliens can only attribute intelligence to something that looks like them, then they're not actually very intelligent.

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>>170142826
Many humans (probably the majority) of humans consider higher apes to be still be mere animals with equal rights to those of dogs despite science already dictating that they are sapient beings with a mental capacity similar to those of five-year-old children.
They're also the things that looks more like us in this entire planet besides other humans.

Does that say something about human intelligence?

>>170143252
They are mere animals. We're mere animals. The fact that they are not us is enough for us to treat them as mere animals when one considers they have almost no ability to perform abstract reasoning (neither do 5 year old children, but 5 year old children become teenagers, who DO have strong capacity for abstract reasoning).
Unless they can be useful to us, or pose a threat, or meaningfully be considered equals, why the fuck should we care about them as anything but mere animals? Humans are not the world's caretakers, they're just another part of the world.

>>170143252

Most people consider small children animals too, at least in a practical sense.

>>170139157
The fuck is a left-wing?

>>170143252
Dogs have a mental capacity of three year old children, what's a couple years one way or the other?

>>170144295
Political Left and political Right
Liberals.

>>170144460
Oh, American politic. We don't have any equivalent here, I think.

>>170144579
The terms left and right date from the French Revolution when they functionally meant "people who want change" and "people who don't want change".

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>>170143473
>when one considers they have almost no ability to perform abstract reasoning (neither do 5 year old children, but 5 year old children become teenagers, who DO have strong capacity for abstract reasoning).
They're still incapable (or unwilling) to recognize the intelligence that they truly have which, even if inferior to ours, is still vastly superior to that of other animals. This speaks about ourselves.

>Unless they can be useful to us, or pose a threat, or meaningfully be considered equals, why the fuck should we care about them as anything but mere animals?
Because when the eventual invasion of Earth by super-intelligent alien mushrooms happens and they ask us why they shouldn't just treat us like animals simply because we're marginally dumber than them in the grand scale of things, I'd at least like to have the defense of not being as big a hypocrite as other humans.

>Humans are not the world's caretakers, they're just another part of the world.
Yeah, that's pretty much the sort of things the space shroom lawyers would cite when humanity is on trial.
Also, humanity is a part of the world that could easily cause a global nuclear winter and erase most of the life on the surface of the Earth, including ourselves. But no, we have absolutely no responsibility over the planet as the dominant species living on it.

>>170144637
So Californians are people who want changes?

>>170144652
animals like mammals and birds are generally treated differently by humans than, say, insects and molluscs
i'd say this does show that we recognize their intelligence
the reason it doesn't seem like we treat apes any differently than dogs is because apes aren't domesticated and thus 99% of people never interact with one and, in the case of Harambe, in the end human life is still simply not worth risking just to spare an animal's, especially one as aggressive and territorial as a primate

>>170144726
they want full communism now

right-wing doesn't necessarily mean "no changes" but more changes to systems that were common in a time prior to now

aka monarchists are right-wing

>>170145148
So California is anti-monarchy?

>>170145252
of course, communism is anti-monarchist (rip nicky & daughters)

>>170145357
So Californians are communist? That's why you hate them?

>>170145413
yes

>>170145468
>)
Oh, okay.

>>170145558
i'm glad i could help

>>170145468
Does this mean Liberty Prime should hate the NCR?

>>170145468
>>170145413
Californian here. We're not all communists. Even in the recent fight/protest in Berkeley, which is a pretty left-leaning area, the trump supporters were only outnumbered two to one, and that was by communists and anarchists and SJWs all marching together under the antifa banner.

>>170143252
many humans consider other humans of black, asian, hispanic... descent to be still be mere animals.

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lol no, what am I a charity?

these seahorse guys are fab and I love them

>>170146880
>they have a surplus and revenue is positive
>still begging for money
Wow

>>170147249
Most likely, they want to build up their military, or they want an xbox. What game is this anyways?

>>170144652
You still haven't defined any clear breakpoint for "intelligence".
Plenty of animals are smarter than baby humans.

>>170145148
>right-wing doesn't necessarily mean "no changes"
it absolutely does
>aka monarchists are right-wing
they're reactionaries

>>170146880
>"Not a chance"
I'm sure you can turn that differently to not sound like a dick.

>>170148520
>reactionaries aren't left wing

LMAO

>>170146880
>you insulted us
>just -5 reputation

>meanwhile, in EU4
>insult is a casus belli

>>170148520
Conservationism isn't about no change, it's about being cautious about change, and opposing drastic change like revolutions.

And reactionaries DO want change, they want a "rollback", then again this is a retarded term conceptually since it assumes a linear history.

>>170144652
>Because when the eventual invasion of Earth by super-intelligent alien mushrooms happens and they ask us why they shouldn't just treat us like animals simply because we're marginally dumber than them in the grand scale of things, I'd at least like to have the defense of not being as big a hypocrite as other humans.
They will treat you as animals anyway, because that's exactly what we are. If we are inferior then expect to be treated as such.

>They're still incapable (or unwilling) to recognize the intelligence that they truly have which, even if inferior to ours, is still vastly superior to that of other animals. This speaks about ourselves.
Incorrect. Apes have self-awareness, but the true distinction between man and other animals is the capacity for abstract reasoning. The ability to recognize "one", as seperate from "one apple". The ability to recognize catagories of abstractness. "Numbers", without a number as an example. "Community", but not any community in particular. Even humans only really develop this capacity during their preteen and teenage years.

>But no, we have absolutely no responsibility over the planet as the dominant species living on it.
Of course we don't. We have a responsibility towards ourselves. Keeping near-extinct species around benefits us both from an ecological point of view in that it preserves our natural resources and a healthy habitat, and provides utility in the form of entertainment. What kind of fucking rights do you want to give to apes? The right to vote? The right to drive?

Furthermore if you're meming with Harambe, the zoo guards acted with accordance to policy. While the kid might be at fault in a sense for getting within grabbing range, a thousand harambes is not, and should not, be worth more a single human, speaking as a human, and the zoo guards simply acted to preserve human life. Had they not shot you'd be blaming them for getting the kid killed.

>>170148520
Reactionaries are on the Left.

>>170149149
>name
Is this sort of fucking meme
This is the third time it's filled that shitty one-off joke in by default for me.

>>170149173
Ignore namefags.
Hide namefags posts.
Do not answer to namefags.

>>170148665
Well that is because EU4 sucks donkeys dicks.

For Civilization V, whats the best setup if I want to play a rapidly-expanding but isolationist, mercantile civilization?

>>170149269
Wouldn't it be Venice?

>>170149510
I like playing as Venice, but I don't like how they don't get settlers and I also don't like maritime nations generally.

>>170149269
CHYNA

>>170149269
Arabia
Dutch
Morocco

>>170146880
what game? is this turn base or real time?
after distant world I was very thirsty for another space game but my toaster can't handle stellaris

>>170149269
What the fuck do you mean by isolationist? If you are touching borders with another civ, and you will, then it's not isolated.

>>170150428
That's not what isolationist means in the context of national policy.

>>170150428
isolationist generally means not meddling with others affairs unless they threaten you directly

>>170150501
Does a civ conquering all your neighbours count as "threaten you directly"?

>>170148592
>>170148678
>change is 0-dimensional
k

>>170148678
>Conservationism isn't about no change, it's about being cautious about change
Specifically, it's about changes as long as they come after the natural death of a particular old geezer in power, who promotes conservatism.

Where could I download the latest stellaris?

>>170153434
Pirate Bay or Kickass

>>170153434
be off t' yer local pirate cove 'n "loot" stellaris, lad

>>170151173
Except right wing and left wing originally referred to people who wanted slow change / very minor change / no change and to people who wanted drastic changes and wanted them now, esp. to the system proper.
If you want drastic change and want it fast, you must be left-wing by definition. "Liberalism" isn't necessarily left wing, in fact by the standards of classical liberalism even conservatives today are out of their fucking minds.

>>170154128
>170154128
>Implying sjw's and alt right faggots haven't turned this whole liberal vs conservative thing upside down and inside out

I would never suspect i would live to see the situation where liberals will be pro-segregation, pro censorship and against the freedom of speech.


Now can we get back to 4x games plz ? Dont want a shitstorm, that is what pol is for.

>>170154128
ah, so you're one of those people who says "left wing fascists"

hmmmmm yeeeee hmmmmmm right

>>170154662
A monarchist would be extremely left wing. In fact, so would a fascist, by definition. Even communists are not as left-wing as monarchists, since most countries have at least some communist / socialist ideals implemented.
Learn what words mean before using them.

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>>170154903
>liberal
Define liberal. Classical liberal? Modern liberal? 1800s / 1900s liberals?

>socialist
Why are socialists considered liberal? Can you use liberals to describe socialists in a socialist society?

>radical
HMMMMM I WONDER WHAT FASCISTS WOULD BE

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>tfw reading about Cold War
>tfw all that cool early space tech
>tfw Space Race
>tfw espionage
>tfw tech race
>tfw proxy wars, political pressure on third world countries
>tfw reading all those contingency NATO plans in case of Soviet attack
>tfw East vs West never ever
>tfw there is no game that start as HOI/DH and slowly turns into MoO
>closest thing to this is Aurora with earliest starts possible

Really makes me want to rage..

>>170154662
t. left wing fascist

>outplay a stronger guy with me having 1,2k fllet and him having 1,8k when i vassalize him
>war an another neoghbour wiht this new boost of power
>my vassal sits at his port with his overwhelming fleet

how the FUCK do i make him work for me?

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>>170155146
agdg here, I've really been wanting to try and make one like that, unfortunately I am a shitter

>>170155582
Same here bro, i cant program for shit and it fucking pisses me off.

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>>170155146
>tfw never ever

>>170155643
even just jotting ideas down, the biggest problem for me is interstellar travel. realistically you'd want it to take a fuckton longer than just travelling inside a system. But one thing I absolutely hate doing in any kind of TBS is just clicking next turn over and over until something happens. but it wouldn't really be a fair representation if you could just take your antimatter rocket or whatever and send it off in one turn either

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>>170155643
you dont need much, if you understand cycles (for, while), arrays, if statements, and basic input handling you can fuck around with a TON of shit already. And these can be covered in a few hours tops, after that its all about throwing shit at the wall and see what sticks. Fuck, most rouglikes are made this way, or darkest dungeon is a prime example is making teh most of simple things. and with engines like unity you are no longer even limited to ascii graphics.

Dont try to make the next triple a game, once you know what you can do, build around that, and the rest will come naturaly (like "boy i wish there was a easier way to do *thing*. look it up, there is, try it and woiala, you just expanded your knowledge.)

OF course theres a lot more than that, but the main reason so much of the indie games run like utter SHIT, is because their devs followed this same progression path. If paradox could get away with stellarises horrendus UI, you can do whatever you want as well.

>>170156319
making an action game is much easier than a strategy game

>>170156369
that entirely depends on how you go about it.

Doing an old fashioned RTS? yea, pathfining and shit can messs you up.
Doing an aurora style spreadsheet sim?
your autism is the only limit.

Or the perfect example: stellaris.
Think about how would you do its basic elements, then the rest and you can see how simple it is in its core.

Start small, then expand on it as you can.
Note, im not saying you can do it in a day. im saying you can do it wihtout a year long course of computer engineering minimum.

>>170156039
>those fucking shuttles strapped to it
Wish i could slap the shit out of the guy who aproved them isntead of one-time rockets

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>>170156803
I don't even remember what they were for in the book.

>>170156698
stellaris is basically an rts, it's extremely complicated

turn based isn't much better, since it's a completely different system from what game engines are typically based on

aurora is literally a spreadsheet attached to a database, it's a completely different architecture

it's not so easy as you make it out to be

>>170156039
that looks like some billy asparagus thing out of ksp

What are the best mods for stellaris?
Where can I get mods?

Does me choosing a frozen world as a home planet a stupid idea?
Stellaris btw

>>170158302
Frozen is in arctic/tundra/alpine or frozen as in normally uninhabitable?

>>170158436
Yeah.
It says "Alpine world"

>>170150401
It's stars in shadows or something like that and it's turn based

>>170154662
This term is applicable to any anti-white leftie.

>>170155929
Well key is to provide something to do for the player aka internal politics, diplomacy worth a shit, designing their own shit like in Aurora etc.
And of course i would love it to be real time like DW.

>>170156319
>if you understand cycles
if i understood.

>>170158596
>it's turn based
Damn.

>>170158958
Look starsector up it's no 4x game but quite good

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>>170157024
i miss pre 0.19 /kspg/

>>170104507
Is this head real?

>>170108129
>first contact
>all you can do is yell insults

>>170119369
>Not Pericles
What the fuck are they even doing?

The year is 2240. What is my best fleet comp? I currently have a single roughly 1k stack of 25 corvettes and 4 destroyers. Rolling with blue lasers and a couple nuclear missile modules on the destroyers for some extra range.

I have yet to fight a war and I'm scared my pupper empire is not ready.

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Can some here recommend a good RTS or 4x multiplayer game for me and a friend of mine. Some kind of medieval city building game. Think of anno meets stronghold crusaders. We just want to to play a not too fast comfy game and defeat npc enemies.

Stuff like stellaris and civ would be to complex (jeah i know the are easy to get into, but i want to introduce my friend and not force her) since she has no experience with such games at all.

>>170161978
the best fleet comp is more ships than the other guy for your death blob.

>>170158563
I just picked tundra world and I'm finding lots of place to colonize.

>>170162081
so... age of empires?

>her
normie out reeeeeeeee

>>170161978
>What is my best fleet comp?
More shit than your enemy has.

>>170162095
>>170162189
So should I just spam corvettes? I thought a healthy mix might have been good.

>>170138791
He can't, city dwellers killed them all.

>>170162246
Spam the biggest thing you have at the moment.

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>>170155146
it makes me even more mad that there isn't one realy good cold war grand strategy game. Heck there even is no modern good cold war era RTS.

Supreme ruler is bugy as hell and the political/economic part is broken/shit.
Eugene only pumps out stupid unit packs instead of a decent single player campaign.
World in conflict was the only real nice star on the horizon but waaaay to short.

Why are there no cool cold war era games? He have a ton of WW2 games.. why no love for cold war?

>>170162246
strategy doesn't exist in stellaris, sorry to say

>>170162081
>Think of anno meets stronghold crusaders
Maybe Knights of Honor, but it's pretty old. And it's closer to Total War meet generic Medieval game.

Otherwise, well, Stronghold. Maybe Rise of Nations, if you let it stuck in the Middle Ages setting.
Or Age of Empires 2.

Shit, I'm sure there are many games, but for some reason, I can't think of any.

>>170162337
>ubi will never let them make wic2

>they'll be stuck making tom clancy's tactical d&d online forever

>>170162337
>why no love for cold war?
Probably because Cold War is a lot more grey, recent and morally ambigous thing.

WW2 is straight up the most black and white, fight vs evil thing in history.

>>170162314
>>170162352
Okay thanks

>>170162081
>not too fast
>comfy
>defeat npc's
age of empires 2 on easiest difficulty would be your best bet, its really good at feeling like a city building game, even though it isn't. just make sure she gets through the tutorials first.

>>170162337
Because the Cold War has two distinctive traits :
>spies
>nuclear bombs
Neither of these make for good RTSes. Spies aren't frontline units, and nuclear bombs are either small shit like in C&C or banes like in SupCom.

When you say Cold War, people don't naturally think Vietnam or Afghanistan War. Red Alert is the closest to an actual USA vs CCCP conflict we'll get.

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>>170161978
>blue lasers and a couple nuclear missile

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>>170162442
>WW2 is straight up the most black and white, fight vs evil thing in history.

yes, I agree

>>170162186
>>170162381
>>170162494
thanks for the tip but i should have mentioned that we already have done AoE and other pre 2005 titles to death. I am looking for something more recent. It doesn't have to be medieval exclusively.
Maybe i should try to teach her the civ games.. altough there isn't no city building which we enjoy the most meh...

>>170162761
I knew there will be some "Hitler dindu nuthing wrong" faggot posting right after i said that.

Fuck off back to pol.

>>170162762
well there's sim city and for a slightly more interesting setup if you can track down and somehow make work the network edition of 2000, probably doesn't work due to 16 bit being dropped, but that's true competitive city building

maybe openttd?

numoo unironically seems like a pretty simple and straightforward way to get into 4x, assuming it's not too expensive and/or the sci-fi setting doesn't turn her off

>>170162761
>attacking russia
>in winter
>not a mistake

>>170162762
>Maybe i should try to teach her the civ games.. altough there isn't no city building which we enjoy the most meh...
What about Dungeon Keeper?

>>170162951
>waiting for the full force of the russian invasion to take you with your pants down
>sound strategy

the real reason they lost russia was because they had to pull back to defend the nuclear development facilities

>>170162541
good points!

Red Alert was the shit back than and introduced me into my cold war fetish together with operation flashpoint. And me hunger for it has never been sated again after world of conflict...

why can't paradox simply fund a supreme ruler that is not shit. Even forget about espionage and make MAD a real thing so noone will ever use nukes except they are doomed anyway. The game after MAD would be simply be the same just with no more economic power, less resources and only 10% of the population in affected areas.

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>>170162442
>WW2 is straight up the most black and white, fight vs evil thing in history
>Probably because Cold War is a lot more grey
You should give your extra chromosome to a charity organisation

>>170163039
even if they didn't need to do that they would still have lost. You cant win against stalin and his zerglings

>>170142482
Quarries on the other hand are underwhelming. Once improved they provide as much as an unimproved hill forests but lower appeal of surrounding tiles.

>>170162962
never played that myself. It has a multiplayer mode? But won't we get eye cancer from that?

anyway thanks for trying guys. I look trough the steam store a bit.

Has anyone tryed the tropico 5 MP how is it like?

>>170163045
What I'd like is a RTS/Grand game based on Metal Gear, frankly, with Mother Base's mercenaries trying to fuck shit up and cause wars while other nations try to win normally.

I love unorthodox games where the players and the AIs obey different rules. Distant Worlds was really fun for that, because playing pirates changed a lot in the game.

>>170163197
>It has a multiplayer mode? But won't we get eye cancer from that?
I think there's multiplayer, but it's old. You can look for War for the Overworld on Steam, it's the spiritual succesor. And yeah, you can play with allies if I remember right, and it's pretty comfy. You can almost forget the "exterminate" part and focus on your dungeon.

>Has anyone tryed the tropico 5 MP how is it like?
Can't answer that.

>>170162081
Maybe Battle Realms, but :
1) It's old.
2) Not very comfy.
3) Very bloody.
4) Sino-Japanese.

>>170163221
that would be awesome. While MGS5 did sate my cold war hunger a bit it did not go far enough.
the locations were to bland, no mountain warfare in afghanistan come one...
And there should have been more missions like the last one with quiet. Defending a strong point as long as you can against russians/afghans/husks/whatever. But hey it's a tactical espionage game so welp...

>>170162081
Just play Anno 1404 either as cooop or 2vAI
It's chill and works pretty well in both modes.

I would have recommended Supreme Commander but
>her

>>170164381
I just would like a game where you can fuck up things on a global scale. RTS are fun and all, but you ultimately feel like you're just a hobo in backwater country fighting some inbred gusses from hickstown.
And MGSV, as much as I love the game, is no exception. You don't feel the impact of your action on a global scale.

Which is ironic, because I remember a flash game who was pretty shitty but did great in giving that "global threat" feeling.

>>170159281
This looks like a straight space pirates and zombies clone.

>>170164868
That indeed looks like it, but SPAZ failed to deliver so much, I think Starsector can't be worse.

>>170164524
i might have copy of it lying around somewhere. Might give it a try. Thank you!

>>170165052
btw I wasn't the original guy but I'll give it a try.

>>170165081
which one?

>>170165085
I was the original guy, and I'm considering buying it, but I think I remember reading it was poorly optimized, so I'm hesitating.

Fighters and bombers in Civ 6 aren't as useless as they were in Civ V, so the UU fighters aren't that bad, but I have yet to see the an interception. The AI doesn't seem to use planes.

>>170165471
there's AI in civ 6?

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So here's my dilemma. I'm rivals with the Republican chaps to my right and we trade insults yearly. I'm in a defensive pact with the Tezekians to the right of them. But the Republican shits are in a defensive pact with Aztani in the far right. That cluster to my north is a federation, and there's a fallen empire on the left.

I want to destroy my rivals on the right but despite being boxed in and significantly less planets/pops, it says their fleet power is equivalent to mine. They're also associated with the federation.

I feel like it's spring of 1914 and everybody is just waiting to see who's going to take the first shot.

>>170163073
>hitler dindu
>communism bad

Fuck off pol reject.

>>170165117
Anno 1404 with the addon

>>170166079
>communism
>not band
burger/swede detected

>>170166185
Yeah it was bad, just not as bad that manlet austrian fucktard and his cohorts.

>>170165975
>conquer the fallen empire
>purge their citizens
>use their superior factories to spam your heaviest weight ship until you go 25% over your ship cap
>???
>WAAAAGH!

>>170131161
That Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son of a bitch on space.

>>170166251
>>conquer the fallen empire
How. My only advantage with them is that there's that chokepoint I could load up with defense stations.

>>170166079
>>170166249
>Implying Stalin did not kill more people (and they were mostly HIS OWN Russian people too) than Hitler

>>170166267
I love that line but fuck me if that scene was not absolutely lifeless and barren :/

>>170166327
>2260AD
oh...
load up every planet with the best troops you can afford to place, and prepare to rip the federation a new asshole with tributary war goals and liberal use of terror bombing.

>>170166386
>Hitler ruled shorter than Stalin
>had more limited power than Stalin
>half of his rule is during the war
>he rules over a nation with 1/3 of the people that Stalin had under his thumb
>hurr durr Stalin killed more

Well no shit nigga.

>>170166494
I'm scared lad.

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>>170166629

>>170166249
>malenkij robot
>purges
>holodomor
>not worse than the holocaust

kys retard

>>170165183
Yeah in big battles the fps drop down but its still fun

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>>170168281
Stay mad bitchboi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP_PRwiRkmw

>>170169152
t.retarded commie
Mao at least achieved something

>>170096791
Won't the corvettes get destroyed by missiles which have 100% accuracy and make their evasion useless?

>>170168281
So should i list all the places where nazis killed anyone ?
Because that would be a fuck off long list.

Plus >>170166584

In short - fuck off back to /pol/ retarded stormfag.

>>170169994
"The death of one is a tragedy,the death of millions is statistics"
-Joseph Stalin

>>170170087
"Blah blah blah"
-Me

>>170169706
Yes they will get rekt by a proper fleet that includes hangars and arc emmiters
But all the idiots here are minmaxing and look only at the dps when picking weapons

>>170170175
"I'm a commie apologist who would take it in the ass from the liberators"
-(you)

Seriously,the nazies weren't heroes but let's not pretend that the soviets were tame.

>>170170271
>Seriously,the nazies weren't heroes but let's not pretend that the soviets were tame.

But no one said that.
Its the other way around, stormfags always claim that Hitler dindu nuthing but Stalin, holy shit he was the epitome of evil.
Not to mention those retarded comparisons "who killed more".

>>170170271
Nobody was a hero during the WWII and the Cold War.
The nazis killed, tortured and exterminated.
The communists did the same, but only to opponents.
The americans did the same, but only to enemies.

Face it, the world during that period was a shitty place to live.

>it's an autists bring politics into a video game's thread episode

I wish all of you would stip.

>>170170427
>during that period
It's always a shitty place to live unless you're on the winning side, the shitty part about the second war was that the winners got their shit pushed in before they won.

>>170170427
You are saying that the germans exterminated everyone in sight like the fucking daleks?

>>170170427
>The nazis killed, tortured and exterminated.
>The americans did the same, but only to enemies.

That alone makes Allies the heroes...
What are you, retarded ?

>>170170510
Well, if you were jew, homosexual, or Polish...

>>170170490
>It's always a shitty place to live unless you're on the winning side
This. Except the Americans, nobody really won. And even now, there are still retards worshipping them. Wanna hear how many "liberated" women were raped in Europe?

>>170170650
>but only to enemies
>all asian americans in WW2 were Japanese spies
WEW
E
W

>>170170650
Except both the Nazis and the Communists only did that to enemies too you dumb fuck, nobody tortures and exterminates their friends

>>170170650
>americans locked all Asians in camps
>treated their own people and soldiers like guinea pigs
>"heroes"
Idiot.

>>170170650
They're not the heroes because history isn't a story written to teach but a story written to inform. The allies formally won the war. The axis formally lost the war.

>>170170730
The Americans lead the Free World anon :^))))))))

>>170154745
>left wing
>fascist
Thank you Anon. I have not laughed so hard in ages.
Enjoy this (You).

[actual content]
Is Stellaris worth anything approaching real money/time yet?
It looks vaguely "interesting" but unfinished, and I am burned as fuck on bug-hunting someone else's shit for free.

And is there any way of playing it without all the silly "political" bullshit that looks like it just gets in the way of having fun?
Like sectors that seem to be deliberately wasteful/incompetant, and some retarded war claims setup that looks overcomplicated and entirely redundant.

>>170171171
>I'm going to pull political shitposting but I'm not willing to contribute content beyond asking about the most generic shit, the second of which can be solved with three minutes of google / mod searching and the first of which is lurkable
Jesus fucking christ

>>170170760
Yeah, all those extermination camps for Japs during WW2... oh wait there weren't any..

>>170170823
>>170170907
>>170170840
>nazis started the war
>commited war crimes on the absolute massive scale
>routinely targeted civilians
>performed gruesome medical experiments
>allies won the war
>provided financial and humanitarian aid to all civilians that they had behind frontlines
>hurr durr they were the same !!!1111

Thats what you get for homeschooling i guess.

>>170171171
Left wing means people who want change. That is literally it. Right wing means people who are opposed to change.
There is no other consistent definition of left and right wing.

>>170171347
>negationism
Fuck off.

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>>170171347
>nazis started the war

>>170171347
Spoken like straight trough the jews mouth

>>170165867
Better than Civ V, which isn't saying much. I especially enjoy the changes they made to diplomacy. The AI actually offers you more than you've conquered when you completely outmatch them militarily. When steamrolling they actually give you enough to make ending the war and starting a campaign against some other civ worthwhile.

>>170171448
>>170171454
>>170171549
>muh jews

What did i said about fucking off to /pol/ you stormfags ?

Keep those delusion where is their place.

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>stellaris is just imperium galactica but shit

>>170171347
>nazis started the war
Not relevant, the United States started a lot of wars too but they're not the devil.

>war crimes
>civilians under the aspect of total war
>medical experiments
Nice meme, the only reason war crimes are ever relevant historical or otherwise is because someone lost.

>allies won the war
Yes and? So by this logic had the Axis won they'd be heroes?

>provided aid
You mean to their fucking allies without which their hopes of winning would be gone? Because firebombing Japanese and German cities into rubble sure isn't 'providing aid'. Sure AFTER they won, they provided aid - because there was no longer a threat.

I'm not even a fucking stormfag but holy fucking shit you are insufferable, anyone who brings the moral high ground into play has literally no place in discussion.

>>170171597
>still being a negationist
Fuck off.

>>170170375
No, you're retarded.

Again, yes, the Nazis weren't dindus, but "hurr durr duh Russia had way more people, of course Stalin is going to end up killing more" does not help Stalin's case either, in fact, it only further exacerbates it.

>>170170650
>>170171347
America was a nation built on genocide and Nazis ripped off many of their ideas, such as their propaganda, concentration camps (first used for Native Americans and later for Jews) and the poisonous pesticide used on clothes, Mexican immigrants and Jews.

Also, see >>170171674

YOU keep your delusions out of here, no people or group in any conflict remains truly pure and heroic, except for mary sues in a fictional work.

>>170170087
This is less of him espousing killing people and more of an observation on the fundamentals of human nature. He's right - I care if Mary Johnson the baker who bakes a mean flatbread that I loved as a kid down the street falls victim to the flu. I ""care"" if a hundred million Indians die.

Friendly reminder that the USA used nuclear bombs near their own soldiers to see what radiation would do to them. Also, google "MK Ultra".

And if you don't believe that the doctors send to Hiroshima and Nagasaki were for aid, you're a moron. They were there to observe.

>>170171674
>>170171909
Who let those leftist conspiracy theorist cucks in here ?

>Not relevant, the United States started a lot of wars too but they're not the devil.
>America was a nation built on genocide

Lost your way to tumblr or what ?

>>170170087
>"The death of one is a tragedy,the death of millions is statistics"

Stalin never said that. That quote is common pop culture knowledge and has no academic value.

>>170172189
>Who let those leftist conspiracy theorist cucks in here ?
...what?

>Not relevant, the United States started a lot of wars too but they're not the devil.
Are you denying that the US has started a lot of wars? Bitch the US has been AT WAR for 80% of its existence, and has been at war in the past 60 years for about as long as the China boogeyman has been at peace in the same period. Most of these wars were started by the US or bandwagoned civil wars.

>American was a nation built on genocide
Now I don't particularly care, I'm not a moralfag and judge these things from a purely IP / IPE / PP point of view but the trail of tears and the events leading up to the revolution with regards to natives surely must ring a bell? Also the Mexican War, although this was less genocide and more just plain unjustifiable aggression.

>Lost your way to tumblr or what?
>he says while attempting to grapple the moral high ground the validate his otherwise lacking argument
Laff'd

>>170172391
It has academic value insofar as it reflects an interesting facet of psychology, but then again it's also common sense.

>>170172189
>no arguments
>"hurr durr tumblrite"

>>170157868
>What are the best mods for stellaris?
That's an incredibly subjective question, and an answer could wildly vary pending on what you want for the game.
>Where can I get mods?
The Workshop is the only place of importance where people upload them. We have a Mega archive of mods in the OP, but even those are just downloaded versions from the Workshop for Piratefags.

>>170172573
Wasn't there that one russian site that archived mods?

>>170171171
the game is a piece of crap

>>170172189
>leftist conspiracy cucks
Is this the same guy who was telling people to go back to /pol/ what the fuck

>>170155146
>>170155884
Take a look at CoaDE

>>170172791
Tbf, anyone discussing politics where it doesn't belong should go back to /pol/. Who cares if they're left, right, or whatever.

How hard would it be to recreate the basic system of Civ IV desu
From a programming point of view it seems to me not that difficult, just a fucking hassle.

>>170172810
is it moddable? because muh teleforce

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>>170172810
>CoaDE
Its not 4x.

>>170172638
skymods stellaris

>>170173006
tbf a lot of those white guys would object heavily to being grouped into the same catagory as some of the other white guys

>>170173006
>next time you read a book
>when you realize that the Chinese were 500 years early
>and invented paper that the Euros and Islamics copied almost 1000 years later
>and the compass
>and chaingears
>and the wheelbarrow and seed drill and rotherham plow

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>>170173257

>>170162337
What about wargame?

>>170173334
What was the actual quote about if there was an original

>>170173363
wargame isn't really strategy or RTS, it's more RTT than anything else

>>170173416
china

>>170173006
WHat is CoaDE?

>>170173518
Wait was it really?

>1 month until banks

holy shit

not gonna make it lads

>>170174127
>banks doesn't fix any of the things that are wrong with the game

>>170174183
yeah but like

new shit

>>170174183
yeah but like

more roleplaying options