/bbg/ - Bloodborne General

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first for my weaponfu reiter-chan

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>church cannon has superior looks
>regular cannon fits better into my build
OH WOE IS ME
ill just go with the gatling

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/x/ had a really good deep sea thread earlier on, there was a bunch of really neat, Bloodborne looking shit, gonna post a few

>>170034125
The Gatling Gun looks better than both anyway.

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>>170035247
The thing on the right reminds of the crawlers from the Nightmare Frontier

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>>170035247
>>170035404
>tfw never understood why people are afraid of deep see
>tfw would unironically enjoy to be a deep one

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>>170035404
>>170035495
It gets better worse

FUCK the deep sea tbqh
Keep posting though.

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>>170035771
>>170036065
yeah mane

Imagine Nightmare areas made of solidified bells. It has fast enemies in it, and if you hit one of the solidified bells literally making up the area, it summons invaders. Offline, it has a chance of summoning a random NPC invader, online, actual invaders.

There's a constant eerie chiming on the wind, as if from some far off place.

>>170035247
>>170035404
>>170035771
Ayy

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>>170036257
This reminds me of crawlers, too

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>>170036593
Last one, I'm pretty sure it's a fucking phantasm

>>170035247
Please do

so far I have

pure bloodtinge
pure arcane (dat squid build GOAT)
arcane/strength
pure strength
pure skill

all around level 100, give or take a couple of levels. What should is do next? I've come back from a long ass break from this game and it feels fresh as fuck it's awesome.

I'm think maybe strength/bloodtinge.

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god fucking damn it I fucking hate Ebrietas so fucking much. Im level 91 and I still cant beat the Upper Cathedral Ward one. I miss my BLT and ARC builds so fucking much where I could just spam long distance shit non-stop. I never should have gone back to a STR build. Please kill me

>>170036997
Bait the head slams and hit her head. Play unlocked, by the way. She is still pretty easy to beat without long range damage.

>>170036997
Dude, she is fukken ridiculously easy on a Str build. You have access to the Whirligig for fug sake. Just pop a BBP and tear dat ass up from behind, or just bait out head slams.

Once you get her mostly dead, you can just finish her off with BMA Repeating Pistol shots.

Is skill/arc a good build or should I just go full arc?

Chose tragic past so I guess I should go full arc

>>170037359
SKL/ARC <<<< Full ARC

>>170037441
Thanks I thought as much

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>>170036801
I lied I missed some

This is a pretty classic deep sea nightmare fish, if BB ever got more content in some way, I'd like to see some deep sea influences

Deep sea's full of fun stuff worse than Anglerfish, Gulper eels are quite literally roaming stomachs with tails that just float around in the dark with open maws, sometimes ripping open their stomach-bodies after eating something too big. There's also the unimaginably fucked Stoplight Loosejaw, a type of eel that has evolved a spotlight to hunt prey with. But here's the trick, fish down there that still have functioning eyes can't see red and red is the first thing absorbed by the darkness down there, so the Stoplight Loosejaw emits a red searchlight from its eyes that only IT can see, other fish can't, so it can easily search out prey down there with an effectively invisible light.

>coop makeshift altar
>makes noise of finding a player
>chalice appear on altar
>nothing happens

Never been to Isz or Ithyll before. Anybody wanna go on an adventure?

>>170037798
Sure, post a pass m8. The standard dungeons, right?

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>>170037753
Actual last one

My favourite is the one second down on the left, I absolute hate it

>>170037798

yerp.

pw is shaka

Untricked or tricked Logarius wheel?

>>170038042
depends on your build and gems, both are good.

>>170037987
Doing Isz first? It's usually faster for me to run through the dungeon alongside the host instead of waiting for SRRC.

>>170038228

yup. Ringing at L1 lantern

>>170038042
I prefer tricked version for revving and multi-hit shenanigans. You also get access to tools for building it 25/50 Str Arc.

>>170038286
Alright, I'm ringing.

So is it true that Maria wears diapers and if so which kind?

How much vit is recommended for the Logarius wheel?

>>170038725
3.

Am I likely to run out of chunks if I'm trying to upgrade 6 weapons to +9 in one game? Including any chunks you can get from CDs.

What's a good build in which I can use both the LHB and the Logarius wheel?

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The Boom Hammer seems a pretty fun weapon for my STR build. Am I being rused?

>>170039830
Its pretty solid untill you get your hands on the whirligig

Then it will become your love

>>170039243
It's been a while since I played but I don't think you get enough chunks for 6 weapons in one playthrough + chalice. However if you are farming for good gems for any of the weapons you will easily get enough chunks. for a lot of weapons getting good gems will usually end up getting you 100 or so chunks to go with it.

What's your favourite non-DLC weapon?

>>170040351
Saw cleaver

Its quick and does decent damage

>>170039389
Either CF: 40+/12+/25/12/5/50 if you're gonna stick to tricked Wheel mostly and convert LHB, or 50/25/10+ Str/Skl/Arc, you can use Blunts for untricked Wheel or Flat Arc and abuse the tricked multi-hits. Former has Tools and can use revving effectively so I prefer it.

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Seg, thanks for the help in Isz. Gotta get the Living String from pic related in Mensis, so it might be a little while if thats alright

>>170040764
Cheers, take your time, m8. I'll join you for Ihyll as soon as you're ready.

>>170040595
How long would it take me to convert the blade?

>want madman garb
>don't want to get summoned to hintertombs from makeshift altar

suffering

>>170041031
Just slot fire/bolt/arcane gems, should be possible after BSB. There's a guide in the OP for Arcane builds.

>>170041074
Just make it and run through, it's easy as fuck

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Which wallpaper is better? Does anyone have a better one?

>>170042219
Top one. Night time Yharnam has top tier atmosphere.

What are some good build if I dont have the DLC?

>>170042043
the problem is once you make it you can get summoned to it. hintertombs are zero fun because it's only depth 3 and easy AF.

>>170042219
I don't know. I feel like top one is more style over substance and, while each of the buildings is very creative and unique, there's very few to begin with. Bottom takes a medieval setting and lifts it up to show a unique structure built upon, but not too reliant, on the medieval theme. It also has more BUILDSings.

>>170042445
To be fair, I've done Hintertombs, and only like 5% of my random SRRC sessions are there. Most people just don't do it.

>>170042346
Any kind, Blt will always be the most limited but even more so without the DLC since you don't have Bowblade and Bloodletter.

>>170042445
But no one does Hintertombs anyway, just do it faget

>>170041074
Have someone drop it for youoh wait :^)

>>170042219
Top, it looks more like a wallpaper while the bottom looks more like concept art.

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What is a good level to solo orphan with a Str/Arc build? I'm currently 93 but I can't tell if I'm under-leveled, under-gemmed, or under-skilled.

>>170043593
BL93 sounds more than fine for Orphan

>>170043593
You're a bit over-leveled if it's NG. It's most likely due to being under-gemmed since there's rarely any decent Arc gems in the main game and I assume you haven't gone deep into CD's yet. If you've gone the 50 Arc route, farm some Lighthouse Bolts from the fish wizards for Orphan. He's weaker to Fire but it's not a huge gap from Bolt. They come in Radial and go up to 20.3%. There's a Bolt Waning near the Blood Rock too.

>>170043965
Thanks anon!

>>170040871

You gonna be around tomorrow at all? Just got done whooping Micolashes faggot ass and Im running out of steam

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>No intro cutscene of your caracter arriving in Yharnam and into Iosefka's clinic in a carriage as Yharnamites peek at the streets through their windows and talk rumors about the newcomer as the Grand Cathedral's bell tolls, marking the beginning of the hunt
>no intro cutscene with quick snipets of Gascoine saying goodbye to his family as he heads out on the hunt, Vicar Amelia praying, Eileen jumping through rooftops looking for hunters, William staring at the lake with the sun setting, a large crowd congregated in Yahar'gul's advent plaza praying, etc.
>no into cutscene giving your insight into Yharnam's history with cool visuals

Miyazaki why

I can't seem to connect with anyone through my bell or through the SRRC. I was just getting tons of people a few hours ago, now I've been at SRRC looking for anythone at all for over 10 minutes. Same thing at Laurence. BL116

Anyone else getting this or is it just me? I tried restarting my modem and router and ps4

Is there a list of all the gems that can be picked up in the main game and the DLC?

I've reached DSP levels of buttfuckery trying to beat Kos. Every other boss has been easy peasy. Running an Arcane build and the only way I have a chance is if I just keep baiting out the same two parry-able moves in phase 1. Once phase two starts, I just get rekt everytime. If I get slammed from the air, it's basically game over as I can never get to heal after that. I'm only doing 215 a hit with a Fire Saw Spear.

What do?

>>170044439
I think you missed the point of the game, anon

>>170044531
I think it's just the time of day, I struggle to get summons around this time and I'm struggling right now.

>>170044656
I am actually going through the exact same thing right now. I feel your pain bro.

>>170042346
Str leaning Quality with LHB as your main weapon and Axe as your secondary weapon.

>>170044656
use bolt gems

>>170044335
Yeah, you can catch me best around this time tomorrow, around the evening. Maybe even earlier, 2-3 PM EST if you're up as well, m8.

>>170044712
Or miyazaki was to lazy to figure out a proper way to implement an intro that was cinemartic, gave you some insight into the universe or summarized some part of your goal as character without giving out too much.

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>use Boom Hammer tricked charged R2 again random enemy
>1600 damage

holy fuck, its not even +10 or equipped with top tier gems yet

>>170044735
But it's basically prime time in the US, and on a weekend. 8:30pm on the west coast, 11:30pm on the East. It's not like most people are working or sleeping right now. Not to mention this game has worldwide matchmaking

>>170044932
what are your stats?

I am 25str / 25skl / 50arc and mine does like 1300 on a charged R2

>>170044937
I dunno, it's Friday night
Maybe people are off doing things.

>summon into help a host
>already another summon there
>summon takes it upon themselves to set a new level speedrun record
>rushing ahead to solo kill everything with their perfect build and top gems
>opening doors and chests


honestly worse than any troll. if a host is clearly familiar with the level it's fine to rush it. but when hosts are clearly exploring it's rude as fuck.

>>170045034

50-25 STR/SKL

>>170044937
that poster may not be in that region, like myself. out of region matchmaking works but for me is nowhere near as consistent as in region is.

>>170045056
but I see white phantoms all over the place

>>170045226
how large are the regions?

>>170045096
Most hosts don't care tbqh. I always rush to the lever without killing anything, 90% of the time if they see the door open they don't bother clearing the level and go straight to the boss.

>>170044917
Anon, the whole idea is you wake up in a (figurative) nightmare, after some kind of freakish surgery, and it's through environmental storytelling, NPC dialogue, item description that you uncover the reasons behind what you see and do.

>No intro cutscene of your caracter arriving in Yharnam and into Iosefka's clinic in a carriage as Yharnamites peek at the streets through their windows and talk rumors about the newcomer as the Grand Cathedral's bell tolls, marking the beginning of the hunt

You wake up in a sickroom, not terribly hard to deduce the reasons. Also, why ruin your first glimpses of Yharnam as an apocalypse-in-happening? Fires, overturned carriages, roaming mutants - you're in a horror story, anon. Knowing anything is anathema to the experience. Finding NPCs is a 'oh thank fuck you're normal' moment.

>no intro cutscene with quick snipets of Gascoine saying goodbye to his family as he heads out on the hunt, Vicar Amelia praying, Eileen jumping through rooftops looking for hunters, William staring at the lake with the sun setting, a large crowd congregated in Yahar'gul's advent plaza praying, etc.

Gascoigne's story is environmental storytelling. You learn it backwards and are rewarded with an 'Oh no...' moment, only realizing what happened after it happened.
You see Amelia praying anyway. To show it all beforehand ruins the moment of realization that this 'healing church' has some deep problems.
Eileen jumping around just seems pointless, I don't understand this.
Willem and Yahar'gul? Really? These are massive spoilers, a deeply important figure you hear about first and then find in a pathetic mushroom state unable to even talk, and Yahar'gul, kind of a pivotal place to reveal so early, don't you think? Why ruin the reveal so early?

>no into cutscene giving your insight into Yharnam's history with cool visuals

You literally just want to be spoonfed the lore, then? Because the history of the city is kind of the plot of the game.

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>Get up to Orphan and Mergo
>Up to Level 92
>realize I forgot all about Cainhurst

Fuck

>>170045056
I was getting a lot more activity last night at 4am

I'm gonna try port forwarding TCP ports 18671 and 20443 and see if that helps

>>170045706
M8 thesouls games have been doing find with explaining some of the lore through cutscenes. I'm not ssking to be spoonfed, I'm asking the game to put as much effort into it's intro cutscenes as the other games did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiwQpFO0j8s

>>170046821
The whole game is a horrific mystery, though, it benefits from a lack of direct information. It's like, imagine The Call of Cthulhu with a third person informal narrator. The entire tone and message of the story changes from a personal account of the unraveling of a mystery into a fantastical narrative. Bloodborne is obtuse by design and is very much about your own personal descent into the mystery of Yharnam and the blood, everything you find, or don't find, adds to that whole idea.

Is there anything else in this game other than Gehrman telling you that you can fuck the Doll that's intentionally humorous?

>>170048182
The "How to Pick Up Fair Maidens" books in the Hunter's Dream and other places

>>170047286
>The whole game is a horrific mystery

Not him, but the game is actually a hack and slash dark fantasy adventure game.

>>170046634
this actually seemed to fix the issue

>>170048584
Until you get to Byrgenwerth and find out you're in a cosmic horror story with aliens from another dimension. Horror protagonists can and often do have agency, even Lovecraft's ones. That and the blurb on the back of the box refers specifically to a 'a deadly mystery that swallows everything it touches' and to 'uncover secrets'. It's a selling point of the game itself. Just because we kill monsters to uncover the terrible truths doesn't mean it isn't ultimately a mystery.

who has the biggest hat in this game

>>170049450
Boom Hammer guy

What is the fucking secret to Orphan's second phase?

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Anyone for a late-night spelunk? I think I have one layer more of this Loran, then I'm gonna make another.

Gonna make a coffee and fire the game up in about five minutes.

>>170049792
Sure, I'll join you.

>>170049792
I'll join you
Captcha: Bullock Hunters

>>170049569
Fight it in the water.

>>170049914
>>170049943
Alright cool. I'm logging in now. Don't remember the glyph, but I'm ringing with "bbg" if anyone wants to do this layer and the possible 4th after it.

>>170050821
Neat, SRRCing in, anon.

>>170050821
>Don't remember the glyph, but I'm ringing with "bbg" if anyone wants to do this layer and the possible 4th after it.
Scratch that. Apparently I finished it. Gonna be a fresh FRC.

Nobody ever farms Loran amygdala. It's always Isz. Why's it always gotta be Isz! I need muh waning abyssals.

>>170051615
Shit man I'd host a ske4 for you if I wasn't spelunking.

Uncanny BoM in that L1 sarcophagus, btw

Uncanny Burial Blade on L2. Pretty meh dungeon so far. upbrb is better so far.

Wanna join up in leddit's global restart thing and considering RPing a hunter whose gone full blood-addled and become a beast.
How are beast claws? Are they really as shit as everybody says? I try not to listen to other peoples opinions on weapons because sometimes they just try to shit on a good weapon because they themselves are shit, but the claws in particular I've seen get a lot of dislike.
Should I go full STR, or split STR/SKL or STR/ARC with fire?
Does Beast Embrace have stat scaling like Broccoli Mode?

>>170053627
Broccoli mode doesn't change scaling, it just changes modifiers (and obviously moveset/appearance). They're identical in terms of damage, but the moveset changes and I believe it's easier to rack up Beasthood in Beast mode. Because of that, with the Rune it's better for PvE while without its better for PvP since it's quicker and Beasthood is near useless in PvP. The range on either mode isn't great, but the speed without the Rune is decent. Almost like a Strength BoM. It's a Str-leaning Quality weapon so 50/25 Str/Skl is optimal. If you were Twinking though it'd probably be better to split Str/Skl evenly.

>>170053868
Interesting, thanks m8.
>Beasthood is near useless in PvP
Why's that? I'm not totally up to date on the meta. Is it because beast mode basically works best while R1 spamming and you can get your ass parried, or do the defensive debuffs make a big difference?

>>170037780
sometimes it lets you remove the chalice but then connects you anyway, so you spawn in the abyss of their dungeon and fall to your death for 2 minutes

>>170053627
Vanilla beast claws are certainly one of the lower-tier pvp weapons thanks to their really short range, that being said they're one of my favourite pvp weapons but you really do have to git gud with them and you'll find that using the claws is more a labour of love, and the moment you try a more viable weapon you'll rek faggots hard.

>>170054002
It's basically impossible to build up a decent amount of beasthood in pvp, your opponent will be dead by the time you even got a tiny damage bump, and the only way that would happen in the first place if he stood perfectly still while you L2 whaled on him.

>>170054002
You'll kill your opponents in a few hits, so you won't really rack up much beasthood. And when you do, it'll most likely disappear in a second or two.

Blood Rock in the L3 sarcophagi, and there's an L4 if you're down for it.

>>170054237
>>170054319
it only takes one hit to build up 1% of your beasthood meter, and 1% is all you need to do +20% physical damage

>>170054431
Yeah I'll keep going

>>170054237
>you have to git gud with them and it's more a labour of love
Well I managed to Kirk my way through the entire game and several PvP matches while everyone calls them shit, and do an entire Caestus run of Das1/3 before the patches, so I think I can manage that.
>>170054319
Thanks for the info on beasthood also. I'll weigh all this information while deciding on my next build.

While we're at it, anyone got some cool build ideas? So far I've done full STR, SKL, in the middle of an ARC pyromaniac run, and have done a generic default hunter. I've been thinking of doing an Executioner or Vileblood, but got bored like halfway through the run to get my gear and try not restrict my characters to a certain faction, because I'm a big roleplay autist even in things like soulsborne games.

Aw shit, one o' those lycanthropes is gonna be carrying 19million blood echos lol

>>170054624
Sound to me like you have more Blechos than you know what to do with.

>>170054584
If you wanna be a hipster you could do Blt/Arc. NS: 40/8/10/14/40/40 puts you at 102. I'd put points into Arc after that to reach 50 if you plan on going higher. Pretty fun using Chikage and converted weapons with Tools, uses lots of bullets though. 40 Blt is okay for Chikage, especially with OoS. You could still reach over 700 Blood AR with them

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>>170032273
That's cute, you're cute :3c

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>>170054584
Shitting on the based kirk is ironic though anon, Kirkhammer is one of the best weapons in the game for both pvp and pve

I don't know why this game makes me so worried about my stats.

It's my first run, just killed the Hemwick Witches at level 38 with

20 VIT
20 END (I heard further leveling is not necessary?)
16 STR
16 SKI

wiith BLT and ARC unchanged from milquetoast origin.

I also think I'm spreading myself thin with my weapons. I upgraded the axe, the cane and recently Ludwig's up to +4. Then again I did notice that the game is quite generous with its upgrade materials.

STR seems to be more important in the beginning because the early weapons favor it over SKI. Buit I guess ultimately I am overthinking things.

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>>170054821
>tfw bell maiden system basically makes it impossible to hold an FC outside of the chalices
>tfw impossible to ring the sinister bell in boss arenas
FC in Moonside lake would have been sweet

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Whew, that was a nice way to end it. Fun spelunking with you Albatross.

>>170055151
It's a first run anon, the character you made now will ultimately be deleted as you start to learn the game more and progress to a true min-max build carefully planned out in the character planner

>>170055230
Yeah I had a great time

>>170055151
>I heard further leveling is not necessary
Correct. Stamina runes you acquire later will make up for all the points if you even need them.
So far your stats look pretty good, I'm assuming you're going for a quality build? In BB quality is a bit different from Souls in that you'll want to go 50/25 STR/SKL or SKL/STR, because most weapons have something like C/D scaling rather than C/C.
Don't worry about wasting upgrade materials, the game is really generous, and if you need more you can buy them, grind chalice dungeons, or go into NG+. Don't worry about wasting too many attributes with experimentation, because if you're really dedicated to optimizing your build and doing PvP and shit, you'll want to make a new character with optimized stats calculated anyhow.
Just enjoy the ride for now.

My theory that any host who uses the hunters rally emote prior to a bossfight will die in the first 30 seconds seems to be holding true.

>>170055151
It's okay so far. Yeah you should do fine at 20 End. End game you should have 40-50 Vit. Go 25/25 Str/Skl then decide which to pump to 50. You don't have to touch Blt and Arc yet. If you do plan on going 50 Skill, getting 10 Blt opens up another Skill weapon. 15/18 Arc opens up a few useful Hunter Tools (spells), but they aren't necessary.

>>170055151
It doesn't really matter what weapon you pick, but you're at a point where you really should settle on something for a while.

The game is not generous with bloodstone chunks (for a while at least).

20 end is plenty. At this point you can't go wrong with even distribution in health and a damage stat.

>>170055474
Every theory needs evidence surrounding it nigga.
Share with us your tales of secondhand shame and embarrassment.

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>>170055474
I used Hunter's Rally before at least one boss this session and didn't die.

Most people who beckon you are gonna die. If they weren't, they wouldn't be beckoning.

>>170055474
My theory that any host who summons randoms are physically incapable of dodging any sort of jumping attack has yet to be disproven after 2 years of playing.

Seriously, doesn't matter if it's Amelia or Ludwig, they summon, they enter the fog gate, they lose a massive chunk of health or die to the guaranteed initial jump attack.

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what the fuck were they thinking?

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So final tally for FRC Lower Loran, gn6f6uma, is, Uncanny Blades of Mercy on L1, Uncanny Burial Blade on L2, Blood Rock on L3, and something unknown (I already have it, it seems) on L4. Plus the usual crapton of ritual mats.

Not a bad romp if you're looking for something to do.

>>170055517
>>170055485
>>170055414
>>170055283

Thanks for your encouragement. I will be more considerate which weapons to upgrade for +7 to +9 if chunks are harder to get.

I also never bothered to upgrade my pistol. There didn't seem to be any need if I only use it for PvE parries. Or am I mistaken here?

>>170055528
nothing exciting. it does seem to happen at ludwig more than anywhere else though.

>>170056256
You should get your firearm to at least +1 so you can slot a HP regen rune.

Is it not possible for me to get platinum in one play through anymore? I got the three umbilical cords and pretty much every trophy except ones where you have to beat the game. I think I fucked up because I already beat gehrman and I didn't make any extra saves.

>>170056869
You fucked up. You should've savescummed before the fight without eating 3 cords. Submit, reload, Refuse, Reload, eat cords and Refuse.

>almost go to NG+ without getting the living string
>was going to speedrun chalices as soon as I got into NG+
near miss

>>170056256
For your first run it's probably best to play safe, but once you go into your second build, I highly recommend pumping BLT. If you go 20-25 BLT an fully upgrade a Repeating Pistol, you basically have a 300-400 AR ranged option with 10 shots, 12 if you blood bullet. It's really useful in PvP if you want to put the squeeze on enemies trying to make distance for heals, or if you're fighting a tough AI enemy and just want a safe ranged option.

>>170057640
>going to NG+
I don't have that costanza/Ludwig shoop, but if I did.

>>170058024
There is little reason to not go to NG+ if you enjoy spelunking.

>>170058024
I never usually do it, I've never done a full playthrough in NG+ in any souls game. I'm giving it a try now to see if buying materials speeds up running the chalices, plus I let Henryk rape Eileen and I want that Hunter rune and americlap gesture

>>170058204
Just savescum. That way you don't need to spend, and thus inevitably farm for, Insight. Unless you don't have PS+, I guess...

>>170058231
>I've never done a full playthrough in NG+ in any souls game
Well you picked a weird one to start on. DeS and DaS2 change a lot in NG+, and in DaS the Gravelord covenant worked.

I can understand wanting to experience it though. I was reacting more about doing it specifically for chalice mats.

>>170058402
>DeS and DaS2 change a lot in NG+
What changes in DeS? I know what changed in 2

>>170058491
Lots of black phantom mob spawns, IIRC. Like PBWT all the time.

...Unless I'm just remembering PBWT. That would be embarrassing.

>>170058574
I think you might be. DS2 had black phantoms spawn, I'm pretty sure DeS was the same unless you changed world tendency.

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>>170057640
>go to NG+
>can't buy ritual bloods 2 - 4
>can't buy arcane haze
>things you can buy are really expensive
Fuck yoooou I don't want to run chalices all the way

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>>170058641
Well in my defense it has been like 5 years

>>170058886
I mean, DeS NG+ was a fucking hellish experience, and is probably the most difficult NG+ in the series unless you play BB without any gems on your weapons. You might be remembering that difficulty.
I actually ran through DeS NG+ for the first time this year, and holy fuck, THAT is where the game actually begins.

>>170059093
>THAT is where the game actually begins
I felt the same way about DaS. I actually kind of think Miyazaki planned it that way: with few exceptions, a person's build can be done, and they can then face the game from the beginning with their finished build.

I really can't seem to get parrying down.

Then again, I have trouble putting down which monsters and which attacks are parryable or not, or whether my timing is just off.

it seems that the rule is that giant enemies can only be staggered for attack legs or faces, while gun parrys only work on most.

I didn't even need to try shooting that Undead Giant in my first Chalice Dungeon, did I?

>>170061258
Turbofucker enemies like the Undead Giant, Amelia, and Cleric Beast can only be visceral'd if you cripple their limbs.
Regular giant mobs (like axe guys, beasts, the giant cthulhu giants in the DLC even) can usually be parried, and you'd be surprised by just how much you can parry.
"Duel bosses" vs. other humans can be parried.
Basically, the game is kinda inconsistent with how parrying rules work sometimes, but if you're having a tough time with a regular mob that isn't a boss, try parrying it a few times.

>>170061258
Parrying can be confusing in this game because whether or not a parry works is based on the momentum of an enemies attack, which makes it kind of inconsistent. It's not as simple as just pressing L2 when the enemies weapon is about to hit you, since the attack might not have enough momentum to be parried at that point.

Do you get less souls if you summon for bosses?

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>mfw running through the upper cathedral for the first time

Just fuck my insight up

>>170040351
Reiter and Wheel
Repeating Pistol and Blunderbuss

How come the beggar gets to be an Abhorrent Beast?

>>170037753
>I'd like to see some deep sea influences
The game is already full of it

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Meet Leech and the kidnapper after jumping down to the healing church is a bad experience.

I'm confused about blunt/thrust gems, how high do they go? One sheet has 28.7% as the max and the other has 32.6% on a layer 3 boss (f8qvzarj).

Anyoned farmed 3 thrusts before? I'd like to know if it's not possible to get 32.6% before I embark on it

>>170065136
32.6% is a possibility but they're practically impossible to get

>>170065206
Are they from Undead Giants though or are they one of the rare ones that drop from Watchers after you've farmed them for 7 years?

>>170065136
From what I've read you can farm Sages for ~25+~15@full health

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You guys are not some kind of beastly idiots, right, /bbg/?

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>>170066013
>pineapple

>>170062773
Yeah, and just when you think you know how to deal with the Brainsucker ambushes, the game screws you over by ambushing you with TWO Brainsuckers.

If you have decent Blt, you can just shoot them, Brainsuckers have cripplingly low Blood Resistance.

>>170067419
I'm str/arc. Literally my first playthrough, never thought those motherfuckers would be such a pain in the ass.

what's the speedrun strat to get beast claws earlier?

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>>170067175
>he can't handle the eldritch truth that everything goes on a pizza
Your eyes are yet to open.

>>170067913
I guess something like:
>kill gascoigne
>kill bsb
>kill amelia
>go to forbidden woods, grab the eldritch peanut
>behold the divine
>kill the divine
>dive into ailing loran
Would that work?
Actually, would killing cleric beast instead of bsb work? Can you use other chalices even if you haven't killed bsb, or are they unlocked only after slaying our poisoned friend?

>>170068342
You could do that if you had the ritual blood to make it, but you don't.

>>170067913
Do all of what the other guy said, but remember to grab all the coldblood flowerbuds in the frontier.
Lower Pthumeru sucks, but you need Ritual Blood (4). You can do that and pick them up along the way, or you can farm the snatchers for it in the first layer of it. I'm told they have a 25% and they also drop loads of Twin Shards.
Make Ailing Loran and run through and kill the BPS on the first layer, then run to the claws that are on the next layer.

Saw someone on here say that with full BLT investment, point blank shotguns actually do more damage than pistols. Anyone got confirmation on this? I feel like just making a cancerous meatshot build now. Maybe using the Rifle Spear or paired with the Reiter so that I can go akimbo.

>>170068978
It's true
Reiterpallasch isn't worth it on blt builds though

>>170045096
>summon for help
>summon isnt allowed to help
Stop summoning then, why would you summon someone for anything on your first play through?!?! You dumb son, summoners are scrubs, they want to be lead.

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How is this for a Bloodletter build?
I'll probably use the BowBlade as a secondary, is it useless w/o skill?
https://www.mugenmonkey.com/bloodborne/22628

>>170069881
Pretty standard Blt build you got there
>Bowblade
IIRC skill only affect the untricked sword, the bow scales off BLT

>>170069881
Having run a Bloodletter build myself, I can say that I Bowblade isn't that useful on it. It's worth it for just the extra point you have to put in, but you probably won't use it often like you would on a Chikage build.
Since it takes 20% of your health every time you use the Bloodletter, you will want to use all of your shots immediately for free damage upon entering a boss room or to finish off the boss, and not be switching between the two like Chikage/Bowblade. The untricked sword version only scales off Skl so that form is worthless to you.

>>170069881
Thank you for that picture, holy crap I didn't know they made that into an anime.

Your build works well enough for what you've planned, though in my opinion, you don't need 15End, two Anti-Clockwise Metamorphosis runes AND the Hoonter Oath.

>>170070261
There is no reason not to have the hoonter oath for PvE unless you want to summon NPC hunters.

>>170069757
read my post again you stupid idiot, this is me as a summons watching other summons. it's about as much fun as a twink build in pve. Wow so great you can one shot every enemy and kill the boss in 10 seconds amazing work

>>170070343
Yes, the Hunter Oath is great, probably the best Oath rune of the bunch, but the second Metamorphosis rune is sort of unnecessary thanks to the Hunter rune.

>>170070382
I see it happen all the time, its not that bad if its in chalice dungeons in my opinion. But then you see summons do the exact same thing in the waking world, like damn son if you wanted to do stuff fast ring your bell near the boss not at the start of a level.

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>>170069881
I share this with you since you posted second best girl of the season.

>>170070382
>>170070382
Read my post twat. WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU SUMMON IN THE FIRST PLACE IF YOU DONT WANT SHIT TO BE SPOILED OR TRIVIALIZED?!?!?! Good players don't summon for any stuff they haven't explored or finished on their own yet. Co-op destroys EVERY single Souls game. The summon is to be praised showing them how silly the beckoners are for killing the fun and excitement of actually playing the game on your own. Now DIE fucking whiny autist POS.

>>170069131
Interesting. Any way to calculate shotgun damage? Is it based on how many pellets hit the target, or is it like damage falloff on range?

that fucking elevator after micolash jesus fucking christ

>>170070704
I don't mean to be rude, but is this a meme? you keep posting this, or this is legit good build?

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>>170070925
It's legit good. It lets you use every tinge weapon except the cannon which is just a worse church cannon anyway.

>>170070805
Could this be bait?

>>170071227
Well i just focus on STR/SKILL/Vit build since this is my first time, but gonna try it for the next play i guess. Thanks for the answer m8

>>170071227
is this monster hunter

fucking hell this undead giant with the ball and chain on his back is ridiculous. his sluggishness and telegraphing gives me a false confidence, I go in and devastate him then he kills me in 2 hits or less. if my health isn't completely full there's like an 80% chance he'll kill me.

>>170065258
Watchers
28.7% is as high as the Undead Giant gems go, IIRC.
>One sheet has 28.7% as the max and the other has 32.6% on a layer 3 boss (f8qvzarj)
I remember another anon posting about this a while back, saying that it was in a chest or something? Either way, it's a typo on behalf of whoever wrote that sheet. 32.6% Adepts can only possibly drop from Watchers, which can only be bosses on layers 1 and 2, never layers 3 or 4.

>>170073121
Yeah have fun with the chalice dungeons, where all of the bosses that were too shit to make it into the main game were offloaded to pad length rather than fixing them.
>this nigger slams the ground in front of him
>creates a shockwave BEHIND him that goes for like 10 feet

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>>170073121
I so feel you, this is my first playthrough and I absolutely hate that boss
>have seen him chain the club slam attack 6 fucking times in a row
>cancels animations
>can only really reliably punish his spins when he comboes it into the club smash
>has a fuckton of health even after you pop the zit on his back
He's also so slow and sluggish I managed to text my friends about how I hate that fucker mid fight. At least the double hook giant has a jump attack and generally feels a bit faster.
If you're killing him right know we could coop, assuming you're down for it, although I'd probably get oneshot with the reduced phantom hp pool.
>>170073447
HMPH, Elder, Hotdog, Bloodletting Beast are all fine though, and even fun. Even the Keeper is okay.
The giant, silverbeast and watchers are pure ass though.
>creates a shockwave BEHIND him that goes for like 10 feet
You mean the explosion attack where blood spurts out of him? It's a legit shockwave attack though, has nothing to do with shoddy hitboxes.

>>170073714
Yeah I know it's a legit shockwave attack, it's just bullshit and makes no sense.
>"alright, he's doing a big overhead swing, that means what i have to do here is dodge out of the way at the right moment to get behind him and attack during his recover-"
>lolno ALL OF YOUR HEALTH gone. in a dumb fucking explosion that makes no sense as to how he produced it, when none of his OTHER attacks fucking explode.

>>170073714
He chains attacks based on what you do. Back off, and he will stop. If you want to punish bosses, wait until they are locked into their recovery animation.

>>170073830
It's blood magic dude I aint gotta explain shit.
I mean, you could also question why the fuck bloodletter L2 causes frenzy and kills people if all you do is just strike the earth with your weapon and create a little gust of wind, but I dont see people complaining about that.

>>170074006
>Back off, and he will stop.
I actually was slowly walking away from him when he was doing that, it was kind of hilarious to look at, really.

>>170074167
It's proximity based. It is the same with the Hotdog's bites. If you are too close he chains them a bunch, or you can backup to a certain range to make him stop.

What's the best dungeon type (Isz, Loran etc) for bloodtinge gems?

>>170074332
I really was just curious how many of those can that faggot shit out, dunno why he stopped at 6.

>>170074387
There's an Isz glyph for the 31.5% Korean gems. y592byza, FRC Isz. The guy you're looking for is the Shotgun Watcher in the pre-lamp bonus area.

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>>170073714
>not mentioning one of the best chalice boss fights in the game

>>170070805
being this autistic fucking hell

>>170073714
Bloodletting Beast is retarderd tho.
The AI is dogshit and the slam have some ridiculous hitboxes.

>>170074631
Abhorrent Beast and Loran Darkbeast are just amazing.
A shame that they are so easy now. Still good fights.

>>170075345
Yeah, Abhorrent was an absolute nightmare at first, but he is so easy now. Still love the fight though, one of my personal favs in the game. He is so relentless and punishes everything.

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Don't talk to me or my daughter ever again pt.2

>>170075973
Much better.

visceral attacks, everybody. I just need to find the final clawmark rune.

https://youtu.be/IHX7DxUkSS0

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>hear the game prioritizes cooping players during invasions
>decide to try and give myself a bit of an edge by doing some chalices and getting better gear
>even farm snatchers to upgrade my weapon
>try invading in a more or less appropriate area
>doing around 100 damage a hit
>they deal around the same amount of damage to me as well
should I just forget about pvp until I 100% the game? Because that's depressing.

>>170077950
What's wrong with that? Long invasions are fun

>>170077950
it's weird, when I invaded a lot I was between 80-90, with my +8 saif I would net around 100 damage other times I would get 120. the only time I used my +9 hunter axe I was doing 206 on the first attack with basic tempering gems.

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>he uses a 50/50 saw

>>170078191
Because I don't feel like my efforts have been fruitful, I'm doing tickle damage to them and they're doing just as much to me, maybe a tiny bit less I guess. That's not what I expected when the game tells me I have 300+ damage on my weapon. Yeah I know all mobs have resistances, but I didn't think my damage output would be reduced by nearly 2/3rds against actual players.
I even got a +20% cursed radial from a lower pthu watcher. Now, I know there are much better gems later on, but I'm really immersed into the game so I try and take things as slow as possible, so I farmed the fatty a bit and even got a second +24% gem.
I'm sorry if this all looks like retarded newfag whining, but I'm a bit lost here.

>>170070906
I've died to that more than I have to most bosses

The trick is to jump on the way back up

>>170079679
I actually think I died to it more than to anything in that entire playthrough together

>>170077950
Try Beast Blood Pellets and Lead Elixir.
If you don't want to rely on items, you gotta play the invasion like a hunt; if you start getting beat back, retreat to heal up and find a place where you can surprise attack them, or find a place where the environment works to your favor. If your enemy tries to heal, don't just let them, put the squeeze on their ass and dash/sprint forward with attacks and gun firing (protip: you can PARRY HEALS in this game.).At first I hated the whole "you can only invade co-opers" thing but now it's my favorite Invasion system in the series. People on the whole seem to be way more willing than the Souls games to venture into enemy territory if they see you running there. I know it's hard at first, but the game's mechanics really allow you to spank the fuck out of group players in cool ways.

>>170071832
Wut?

Hey, Luci.
Where did everyone go? Why are there only newfags here?

>>170074073
He's right though, the AOE explosion makes no sense. I'll help people co-op him and draw the UG's aggro so they can hit him in the back, and they dodge backwards just as his slam touches down (he looks like he is obviously trying to slam me) when all of a sudden they die because the explosion came out of the giant's ass and went 20 feet behind him to kill them with counter damage as they finish dodging

>>170080540
they woke up.

>>170080540
Playing Nioh.

>>170080540
Put your trip back on.

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>>170080540
Is this that new, though? A good amount of the traffic comes from new players, the rest is us continuously shitposting. And doesn't the presence of new players indicate people are still interested in the game?
Look at it from a more positive perspective, it's a sign that this game and the general are still alive.

>>170079679
>>170079820

are we talking about the one at the middle base again? I hear people complaining about this but I've done it like 4 times and didn't come close to dying. the things that kill people in this game.. jesus

>>170081008
it's the one that leads you to the lanterns

>>170081008
They are talking about the one that leads to the blood rock.

>>170081008
I'm on something like my 11th playthrough that jump still gets me sometimes. Don't know why, maybe it's a psychological thing.

>>170080210
You're getting me wrong, I don't mind fighting cooping people or prolonged invasions with baiting people into mobs, and I had my fair share of gankspanks in previous souls games, what I can't fathom is how little damage everyone does to each other, and that damage values dealt to players don't correspond to what I'm doing to mobs or what is displayed at my stat screen. And that definitely was not the case in other souls games, you still dealt more or less, depending on your opponents gear, the same damage you dealt to enemies from the level-appropriate area. Yet here it's really jarring to look at how your weapon deals, lets say, 270 damage to your average mob, but around 90-100 to your pvp opponents, and those same mobs basically hit harder than you during the invasions.

It's not even a jump, you can just walk off. I've farmed the winter lanterns there a hundred times and not fallen once

Even Destructoid is marketing leddit campaign. Maybe I should actually do that twink build.

>>170081227
Ah, okay.
I really don't get how weapon damage works in invasions either. Towards the start of the game they're weak as fuck, but once you get to the end shit actually feels like it should. I'm pretty sure it's not just my weapons equips either, I was invading on a BL60-ish character with a +7 fire gemmed weapon and 35 ARC, and was still doing 100 damage swings to everyone even though my AR was at 400 or something. It never really got me down or anything, but it is fucking weird.

>>170081440
>needing a twink build to slaughter ribbit scrubs
>twinking to begin with during an event meant to garner community interest and liven up the online scene
I don't know which is worse.

>>170081571
So at what point do you actually start dealing damage then?

>>170081082
>>170081119
>>170081130
yeah we're all talking about the same one. I still don't understand how people die multiple times there, I've always done it going down too. you just start walking or running about halfway past it and you're home free every time.

>>170082146
If you walk off too soon, the part hanging down will stop you, and you will fall straight down and die.

>>170082043
I... honestly don't even fucking remember. I just came back to this game after a lengthy break and began invading on a new character again, and am running into that thing you're talking about, but I have videos saved of me doing PvP at around level 100-ish and I'm doing damage more representative of my AR. (still kind of off where i'm doing like 480 damage with an AR of 650, but still, it happens in the souls games too and is a lot more accurate.)
It kinda sucks, but I think you just gotta find blood gems and build up your primary damage stats. I think what form your trick weapon is in also makes a big difference. (i.e. going from silver sword ludwig's or kirkhammer to the tricked form) You could also be running into people with damage absorption runes to exacerbate the problem further.

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Jesus I love this fucking thing. Got it up to +10, and the charged tricked R2 fucking wallops. can usually do 1000+, and thats without autism gems from the CDs yet. only qualm is the low durability.

>>170082612
It's an oversized meat tenderizer with a built-in furnace, I plan on using it for my friendly local butcher hunter.

Origin calculator doesn't wanna work for me on mobile can someone tell me which origin is best for a 50 vig 15 end 10 str 15 skl 50 blt chikage bowblade build

>>170083003
local fag

>>170083003
Professional puts you at BL98

>>170083003
Lone Survivor or Professional.

>>170081227
You just need better blood gems. I actually felt bad when I took my coop character into pvp the first time because my adversaries just tickled me with their weapons while every little quick R1 hit I did with my weapon took away at least 1/5th their lifebar (usually more), and short combos on them sent them into a panic-dodge state.

Then I met some more adversaries (duelists who blood bulleted before the fight) who were equally gemmed out as me and I didn't feel bad anymore, considering the guys with weak weapons were usually trying to gank me with their cooperators anyway.

Still I have a weapon with shitty gems that I can equip so I can 1v1 noobs with terrible gems and still make it feel fair and fun.

>>170083936
What, 20% and 24% radials are not enough? I thought 27% were top tier, and I'm a bl40 character searching for invasions at burgerwerth and forbidden woods. I honestly thought that was good enough.

>Military Veteran
>"Experienced in war. A soldier with strength and skill."
What kind of war?

>>170082612
Boom hammer doesn't even really have low durability, it just looks like it does because of the low numerical value. The Tonitrus also has 100 durability, but you swing the tonitrus about 5x more often than you do the boom hammer and so it loses durability about 5x faster. I can coop the Living Failures three times using nothing but the boom hammer for each of the 5-minute fights, and it will still have like 92/100 durability by the end.

I love the BH as well but it is a situational weapon. It is very R2-oriented heavy hitter; in no way a replacement for a fast, general purpose R1 / R2 / L1 weapon like the saif or any of the saws. I wish it did more damage at 25/25/50, in fact. It's such a commitment to buff it and R2 swing it at a normal enemy that you are left kind of fumbling if they don't actually die in that one R2 (especially if you're like me and rely a lot on the buff fire damage)

>>170078451
Why use literally anything else?

>>170084552
An emu war.

>>170084552
the kind where you fight

>>170084663
It's bland as fuck to fight with and against. Boils the game down to Souls-tier spacing shenanigans between oneshotting R1 L1 combos. Put simply, it's a very selfish way to play for people who think the only thing that matters in fights is whether they win or lose, and not the fight itself. No room to be creative, stylish or experimental. Not fun. For me, at least.

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>>170084512
+20% and +24% phys should be more than enough for twink pvp, I would think. I don't know, though, as I have never made a twink.

Try using +flat arcane brainsucker gems. Three of them is +200 arcane damage automatically, and they will hit multiple times per swing if you have a weapon like the tricked wheel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ECG6cQLQbc

pretty devastating

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Can i get some good gems in Ithyl for a STR build? Also, is there anything worth farming in Isz chalices?

>>170084774
Yeah, but fight who? And what military? Yharnam's? Or is it just referring to the church's hunters as the military?
Can't be though, because the Good Hunter is a foreigner. Whatever military or war he took part in, it must have been elsewhere.

>>170082307
I guess I've gotten lucky or something. who knows, in my NG+ play through I'll probably start dying there too

>>170085090
Yep. Heavy Abyssal scaling gems from Headless Bloodletting Beasts, 27.2% Tempering phys Watcher gems, 32.6% Adept blunt/thurst gems, etc.
>Also, is there anything worth farming in Isz chalices?
You can get Triangle versions of the Watcher gems, and some elemental gems. Nourishings from Amygdala, flat ARC from Brainsuckers, etc.
Isz is a bit better than Ihyll for farming elemental gems from the Watchers, as they drop at a slightly higher frequency. You can also just hit Ihyll for Hotdog Fire gems, but Watcher 27.2%s are better.

>>170085382

Dont care about elemental gems, doing pure STR run. Should I go for Thrust or Blunt for my Boom-Boom?

>>170086018
The Boom doesn't thrust. Why would you need thrust?

>>170086018
Full Blunt in that case.

>>170085083
>they will hit multiple times per swing if you have a weapon like the tricked wheel
That reminds me, does anyone know if the whirligig saw is better with arcane brainsucker gems than it is with cold abyssals / elemental gems? I have 50 arcane as my highest stat, so I just have it converted for fire damage with one cold abyssal and two fire gems now (27.2% and 23.1%).

I noticed that it hits multiple times per attack, though, and I have no use for brainsucker gems on the wheel with my current setup.

Would the whirligig work better for an arcane build if it had no cold abyssals and three +9% ARC brainsucker gems, altogether adding +65, +65 and +72 flat arcane damage per buzzsaw hit?

Where do I get more coldblood flowerbuds?

>got ToH about a week or so ago
>tried to beat the orphan for about a week, but eventually gave up
>built a new character instead
>on a whim, decide to go back and beat the fucker just now
>use up all of my vials but manage to kill him with half health
>fucking burst into NPC-tier mad laughter
haha FUCK i feel great right now
I've never had a game evoke such emotion from me before. This DLC was fantastic.

>>170067175
>not liking pineapple on pizza
Give me one good reason.

>>170087131
Only beastly idiots like pineapples on pizza.

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>>170086938
Orphan is awesome. I'd never really seen anything like him before I played TOH. At first he's like this sympathetic fish-man Jesus staring at the sun, then you approach him and suddenly he becomes this freakish superhero-strength monster straight from hell. And because his presentation is so nightmarish and intimidating, it makes people panic, so his entire fighting style is designed to punish people who are panicking. It's brilliant IMO

>>170087669
I think one of the main reasons I won is because I found a glitch where I would reach the edge of the map while fighting him and all the music would cut out/reset, and the horrific blood-pumping psycho music would reset back to a relatively tame pace.
Shit kept me calm and focused while we were both just a few hits from death and I had to rally through his abuse.

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>>170087315
Your eyes have yet to open, friend. Trust me: pineapple-bacon pizza will give you insight on the eldritch truth of pizza.

>>170087315
>implying
It's a normie meme to hate pineapple pizza.

>>170086736
What parts of its moveset hit multiple times aside from the obvious pizzacut.

>>170088456
It also happens to taste like shit

So, I'm pretty late to the whole ToH ship, is the priest at the Fishing Hamlet who paces around mumbling, implying that Byrgenwerth killed Kos? Is that how they acquired forbidden blood, which was then stolen by the Vilebloods?
>"Byrgenwerth...Byrgenwerth...Blasphemous murderers...Blood-crazed fiends...Atonement for the wretches...By the wrath of Mother Kos...Mercy for the poor, wizened child...Mercy, of please..."
>"Lay the curse of blood upon them, and their children, and their children's children, for evermore. Each wretched birth will plunge each child into a lifetime of misery. Mercy, for the poor, wizened child...Let the pungence of Kos cling, like a mother's devotion..."

>>170088859
Only if you use disgusting canned pineapple slices with shitloads of sugar instead of fresh ones.

>>170088859
Your pizza place is probably garbage, then. More than likely they just fucking toss canned pineapple on the top of a done pizza like it's fucking birthday sprinkles or something. I'm serious when I say bacon-pineapple pizza is good.

>>170085138
Your character is a foreigner, he had nothing to do with Yharnam until he met the blood minister

>>170073714
I just killed the fucking thing. used a hit and run approach, took some chances and it paid off. when do I start running into the amygdala and ebrietas type bosses? I've already killed the BSB and he was easy compared to the main one

>>170088952
Nah, dude. The parasite says the carcass of Kos washed up on the hamlet, not the living entity. Hearing about this, the scholars raided the town and murdered the villagers, smashing in their skulls to search of eyes, as we see with the Accursed Brew.
It's not how they acquired the blood, that's from the chalices. It's thought that they harvested the corpse of Kos itself for Umbilical Cord pieces, if anything.

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>>170089586
>tfw just downed him a couple of minutes ago
>come and see this post
Truly, the sky and cosmos are one.

Ludwig is fucking stupid
NPC's don't scale with NG+ do they

>>170076282
What are we supposed to be seeing here? That you're fucking atrocious at parrying Gehrman? That you desperately try to do a Visceral attack build despite using Strength-scaling weapons?
That your are too stupid to use Blood Rapture and Oedon Writhe in order to make a visceral strategy work?

>>170090835
A weapon's scaling doesn't affect visceral damage (aside from tricked Cane's bonus).

>>170086784
After finding some in the Nightmare Frontier you can just buy them from the Insight bath messengers. Supposedly you can find the four you need in the Frontier, but why bother? Grab the two obvious ones, buy the other two.

>>170092056
Visceral damage pertains to Skill I believe.

>>170092056
No, but visceral attacks scale with your level and even more with your Skill stat, i.e. not your strength stat, i.e. the stat the Hunter's Axe scales well with.

If you want a decent visceral build, it's going to be a 50Skl build, which would then have a weapon that actually scales well with that 50Skl.

>>170092147
Mostly yeah, but using a Strength weapon on a Skill build for viscerals wouldn't make a difference.

>>170092407
>>170092409
Church pick/thrust weapons enhance visceral dmg if people forgot.

>>170093317
No they don't. Because thrust is a damage type some weapons can have on only one attack while the rest is slash/blunt. That's ridiculous to say all weapons with any sort of thrust attack have increased viscerals. It's all damage and skl level.
Stop talking shit.

>>170093317
The weapon doesn't, but the fact that Thrust gems go higher than Phys gems means it's better to be holding a Thrust weapon filled with 32.6% Thrust gems when doing viscerals. Using a Church Pick/Thrust weapon vs a non-Thrust weapon with the same gems will get the same damage.

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What's the most boring weapon in the game?

>>170094816
Saws.

>>170094816
LHB and Tonitrus.

>>170095000
this probably

>>170094816
Tonitrus
Rifle Spear
Stake Driver

>>170094816
Tonitrus and Rifle Spear. Cool ideas (a mace you can strike like a match to produce electricity and a shotgun welded to a spear) but they have the most boring fucking movesets.

Best dungeon to farm holy moonlight gems? (Arc and str)

>>170094816
Chikage, Toni and Boom Hammer. Just boring fucking weapons, period.

>>170094816
Tonitrus. There's just nothing there, man. Saws have transform attacks, tricked modes, a varied moveset, even the shitter-centric LHB has two modes. Tony is just the same fucking thing with like three attacks. Damn waste.

>>170096071
All of them with Amy and Gargoyles/Rom for Nourishings.

>>170096220
What's wrong with the Chikage?

>>170096252
>There's just nothing there, man
There's HUGE damage.

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>>170095181
>Stake Driver

>>170096586
literally all it has going for it is the charged r2 and dont pretend that doesn't get fucking boring after the sixth fucking time

Whats the best bl to help people with main story Rom, 65/70?

>>170098193
43-60

>>170094816
TONITRUS

>>170096252
>>170096220
>>170098617
>>170095254
>>170095181
Would the Tonitrus be less boring if it had an actual tricked moveset? Like become two-handed and the L2 would be the Tiny Tonitrus effect at a lower cost?

>>170100135
Fuck yes. Pretty much like a Bolt Bloodletter I'd imagine.

>>170100135
Who do people talk about two-handing like it's a good thing? It fucking sucks

>>170100135
Tricked becomes a bigger, 2Hand mace that opens up to reveal a darkbeast skull fragment and a mass of fur inside of it
L2 attack is an aoe attack instead.

>>170100564
No it doesn't?

>>170100661
Being able to use your left hand weapon is infinitely better than one extra move that usually doesn't combo with anything. Are you still unable to parry consistently or something?

>>170100768
Well no shit, that's the trade-off.
Still, some of the most fun weapons to use are 2H.

I decided to check out some bb speedruns and I haven't seen anyone get past Amelia so far

>>170100564
From a purely PvP standpoint, maybe, but there are many situations where you just want the extra oomph a two-handed weapon can provide.
A low Blt build fighting enemies you can't reliably parry, for example, has no use for a gun, so you may as well give yourself the stronger melee attacks. Some weapons, like the Blade of Mercy or the Rakuyo, actually attack faster in their tricked state, which allows you to rack up some massive damage quickly.

Also, two-handed weapons are pretty much the most unique thing in the game. In their one-handed versions, the Bloodletter is just yet another mace, the Amygdalan Arm is just a one-handed hammer and the Whirligig Saw is just YET another mace. In their tricked state, they are a fucking insane morning star made of blood, a still-living limb whipping all over the place and a double chainsaw on a stick.

>>170100972
>>170101405
Of course I'm not saying that two-handed weapons suck, it's the two-handing itself that sucks. If Bloodletter was one-handed in both forms it would be a better weapon.

>>170101616
It's a necessary trade-off, otherwise it would be way too overpowered.

>>170101346
That's because all the serious Bloodborne speedruns skip Amelia altogether. Or skipped, rather, because they patched out the glitch that allowed it.

>>170100768
>implying you can parry Amelia, the Bloodletting Beast, the Cleric Beast, Ebrietas, The One Reborn, the Wet Nurse, Amygdala and Paarl
>implying you WANT to waste bullets on parrying enemies that die in one hit of your two-handed weapons

>>170101767
Shooting makes Amelia, Cleric Beast, Ebrietas, Wet Nurse and Amygdala a lot easier, and it also helps with strong enemies like the madmen in chalice dungeons. Guns are GOOD.

>>170096313
It's a gimmick weapon. It has three decent moves, two of which are usable in terms of damage. The two usable unzip attacks are telegraphed as all fuck, and even the best Chikage users tend to fall back on those attacks, because that's really all it has going for it. It's fun until the third or fourth unzip. After that my appetite for quickdraw animations and slow walks tends to disappear. The weapon overall is only about as good as the HMLS' tricked form, which is to say it's one-trick and not great.

>>170100768
I can parry everything, but it's so boring to me. Rather use my cool weapons to finish shit off.

whats the point of weapon durability in Bloodborne?

>>170102507
It makes Tonitrus less overpowered

FC WILL BE AT PTHU IN AN HOUR MAKE SURE YOU TURN UP YOU FUCKS.

GLYPH : N6RC9JH8

>>170102758
O- ok

>>170102758
Why did you make a new glyph?

>rush to ailing loran just to get beast claws
>try them out
I... I think I hate these things. They feel like dogshit to actually use.

>>170103070
not really worth using em without beast embrace. that said i personally dont like them either.

anybody wanna fuck up Ithyl in an hour or so?

>>170103046
Read the op???

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>>170103070
>>170103292
S-stop bullying muh weaponfu

Anyone willing to help with Laurence on like NG+6? PW is "BBG123"

>>170102507
Another way to make the game harder, because it means you can permanently lose the weapon you put a ridiculous amount of materials in if you're not careful.

>>170104135
You don't lose it, it just does shit damage until you repair it

>>170103648
Nevermind, got some help

>>170103559
>>170103292
Well, would anyone be willing to help kill laurence for beast's embrace? I'm kind of underleveled to do him, but I wanna get this rune before continuing much more in the main game.

>>170104509
Beast Embrace is even shittier than vanilla claws anon, they lose pretty much all speed for a minor bump in range and damage.

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>tfw stepped in a bunch of water at the park and girl from work I like made fun of me while we were playing Pokemon GO

Whats new in the world of Bloodborne today folks?

>>170104843
What is that question supposed to mean?

>>170104305
Oh? Okay, never mind then. Be right back, gonna equip some cursed gems real quick.

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>>170104843
>2000+16+1
>playing pokemon go

>>170104674
So they're not worth using without beast's embrace, but not worth using with beast's embrace either?

>>170105978
Without Beast Embrace, they're Blades of Mercy that exchange Arcane damage and a bit of range for decent strength scaling.
With Beast Embrace, they aren't as fast, but allow you to use Beast Roar without using up Bullets and a pouncing move with hilarious invincibility frames, i.e. very gimmicky but useful if you're willing to study their moveset.

>>170106749
>Blades of Mercy that exchange Arcane damage and a bit of range for decent strength scaling
You mean, Blade of Mercy that exchange speed for beasthood
The arcane damage of BoM is practically nonexistant and the range is the same

FC IN PTHU NOW BE THERE OR BE SQUARE

>>170104843
For the record anon, it's normal for people to make fun of each other if they're friendly.
I mean, maybe she was mean about it but if she wasn't don't be an overthinking autist about it

Is FC going on rn? It's at Forbidden Woods's swamp right?