/svg/ Shadowverse General

First for atomemes

>open new thread
>have to scroll down to see first post

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Why would Haven take a follower like aegis on turn 9 when they win on that turn anyway?

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>BETTER NOT BE MEME
>only shows up in meme decks

What did she meme by this?

5th for post the discord link please instead of just complaining about it for 20 posts instead

>>169861643
>dirt is a meme
This isn't 2016 anymore, dubcuck.

>>169861161
So it's alive as intended. Long live general, long live OP.

>>169861091
I just got Atomemed.
Felt bad, kinda funny though.

>>169862249
Probably me

Will forest get any cards they can use in the new expansion? Or will it be another RoB where they get literally nothing and are still playing DE

>>169862157
I lost the game now tell me about the bird lady

>>169862337
What were you against nerd.

Is Sun or Storm Haven better?

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Oh boy, this is either going to be really sad or really interesting

>>169862352
I hope Forest gets a wincon that isn't roach related or a meme for once.
Crystaline Lily and Maahes are actually really good cards, it's just the support isn't there for them.

Anyone have a decent mid-range sword deck?

>>169862395
Fuck if I know, I've been climbing with atomeme all day.

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?

>>169862014
Dirt doesn't play Remi/Rami anymore. They are only played on Pascale Dirt, which is a meme deck.

>>169862556
>I hope Forest gets a wincon that isn't roach related or a meme for once.
Yeah roach is their only storm card so that's really all they have, that and silverbolt

>>169862509
Storm because playing any Control deck in this DShift meta is suicide.

>>169862612
Left is a free win card + anti-free win card.
Go left.

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Left or right?
Saha is useless in t2 but Satan wins games. Left has a useful 2pp but I dont know if the poly dragons the 9pp shits out are useful. Which would you pick?

>>169862612
I have taker of two falg and don't want to make that choice

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>>169857225
>Expansion soon, what's everyone's Lego situation like right now?
3600 gold and counting.

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concede or lose please as I still have the 100g private match quest to do
24904

>>169862352
9 mana 0/x ward where x is the number of cards you've played while it's in your hand. That'll be 3500 vials plus tip.

>>169862702
Date is Baha killer and Polyphonic can be better than Olivia desu the only problem is baha which is why you have date

Or you can go full lulz SATAN IS 10PP do nothing and maybe win in the next turn

>>169862702
Right. Date is free removal and Polyphonic is pretty much the same as Satan with no evolve.

>>169861062
1pp ensures it's good anywhere along curve
It's basically, a free evo trade any time you have it
It lets your board clear a ward or major threat such as goblinmounts without mulching, maintaining your momentum for a pittance
Lance is a minimum 5-7 cost 6 dmg which doesn't really cut it in this meta of fatties unless you're willnig to blow 0-costs you needed for combos to win

>>169861224
Did you even play shadow in DE?
Nep was going too far but by himself he was badly needed

>>169862352
They already got Eiren for tempo/control forest

>>169862525
Post highlights

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>>169862525
It was just a regular Mid Range/Control Deck with a castle in it, kind of disappointed since I expected some token or Otomeme shenanigans.

>>169862702
Saha isn't useless. If you have a big enough neutral she can kill shit, which is more than enough. Saha + Satan can do some work.
That said Date is really good and Poly can win games, but it's less reliable than Satan overall since it's more fragile and even more of a tempo los.

>>169862843
Shadow needed multiple good cards, not a single broken one.

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>>169861163

If aggro anything goes off well, especially if they go first, you are very likely going to die regardless of how you try to tool the deck against it. I've lost against aggro matchups even when I played multiple copies of both Timeless and Veteran in the same game along with everything else on curve. The initiative perpetually being theirs is the issue, not the deck. That's particularly true against the newer sword variants, because they don't ever run out of bodies to throw at your face.

On the other hand, if you get the first turn, it's imperative that you curve out Scrap-Iron -> 2 drop (preferably a follower, but burning a Quickblader with Red-Hot is fine) -> Gobu -> Timeless or some such to derail them as much as possible.

Against control blood (or any control matchup really), you're playing for card advantage. Your free cards outnumber theirs in the long run, and as long as you can minimize the impact of their bombs (if any), you'll be okay to clean up with PtP or Anne behind a ward or something. Do not pursue the face until a fair chunk of their healing is gone.

When faced with Storm Haven, Petrify Aria at any chance you get. Keep the board on lockdown with Levi and Prof, stall their Pleas with Kaleido Glow during any down time. They don't have much in the way of board clear relative to other Haven variants, so don't be too scared of commitment. By the time turn 7 rolls around they've basically lost for lack of steam.

Nep Shadow is only particularly troublesome if they are playing 6+ Lich generators on top of 3 Mordecai. If you find this to be the case quite often, then consider slotting in Price of Magic. One more Calamitous could also help, but I don't find it too particularly strong in other matchups besides like... Elana, where Prof does fine anyway. Well, not strong enough anyway compared to how hard it bricks.

PtP, Merlin, and Bomb are not so useful against more aggressive decks, itrue. They're for the long haul against other control.

>>169862612

anyone else wanna weigh in on this? this is the hardest t2 decision ive had to make.

>>169862884
Saha is useless in t2 because most of the time you won't have enough neutrals to use with her. You have to draw satan AND saha to use saha.

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He can't keep getting away with it!

>>169862702
Poly is 5/5 storm every turn

>>169862843
>1pp ensures it's good anywhere along curve
Pssst.
Anon.
Sword to Woodshares is 3pp. If it was 1pp it'd probably be an auto-include.
I don't know how they fucked that one up honestly. Why name a card after Swords if it's not even gonna be 1pp is beyond me

>>169862935
>x1 calamitous curse
Into the trash this dirtshittter go.

>>169862621
Stop calling everything a meme, idiot. And yes, Remi is still played in most Dirt decks, just not a much as she used to be.

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>>169862768
thanks fellow cat

>>169863084
>just not a much as she memed to be.
ftfy

>>169862843
>They already got Eiren for tempo/control forest
That seems pretty weak a 6 mana 4/6 that heals for 3 or 8 mana for an extra evo point. It doesn't seem that good for the shitty stats.

>>169862976
>Not living the dream of Saha + Satan and Bahamut in t2 to kill anything while striking fear in your opponent
Fucking plebs I swear
>>169862935
>This meme deck again.
Jesus dude, pick one wincon and build the deck around it. Have you heard of consistency?
Why you would even run Merlin in dirt except for a full fledged PtP dirt is beyond me.

>>169863084
No, she isn't. Only garbage builds play her. You can't afford to play 3 Levis, 3 Dwarfs and Remi/Rami, it's too evolve heavy and they aren't a strong enough tempo play anymore, while Levi and Dwarf are way too important to pass up.

>>169862612
Easy left.

>>169863159
A 6pp 4/6 that heals 3 seems fine to me. Those stats aren't weak at all; you're losing 1 attack for a pretty nice heal.
And gaining an extra evo is absolutely huge.
It's a nice flex card because you can just play her on 6 against aggro or wait to get full value against control.

>>169863196
>Have you heard of consistency?
desu sometimes you need different cards for different situations thisi s why 1 off are good ways to build some defensive decks

>>169863263
>are way too meme to pass up.
One job m8
one job

>>169863159
Erin has ward.

>>169863327
kys

>>169863297
If you wanted the heal just play fairy beast, 3 isn't much

>>169863084
I've actually noticed most decks cut Remi, I personally replaced my 2 copies with 2 copies of Timeless Witch since they achieve similar goals in a sense.

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>>169862995
Ahhhhh!

>>169863019
Sorry, saw it and immediately card filtered to vines mentally. You can keep it to be able to clear out banner/light/creed/titania's/sun guardian/elana/ptp/pendant/pop a midnight haunt early with a carnivorous/pop kill amulets early

>>169863159
It's for a tempo board with shit like titania's, petal fencer, elder treant, simalacrums and shit

>>169863323
You're never going to draw the answer for that situation if you only have 1 copy of it in your deck. If you need a board clear on 6 and you have 1 calamitous in the deck, good luck.

>>169863159
People thought lionel was going to be op I think Eiren could be okay but she is pretty weak you might tech her in against aggro though for the ward. She doesn't seem outstanding or anything though, but not terrible

>>169863439
>basic board

why would you do this?

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So explain to me again /svg/ why blood is bad. tfw spree ended by a meme discard dragon

>>169863450
Dirt rune can afford that since you always will be spamming golems to protect yourself.

>>169863514
What golems are you spamming before turn 6?

>>169863496
Because blood has no good cards, anon.

>>169863365
Fairy Beast won't stop the unga hordes from beating your face in though.

>>169863496
Blood is T1 according to the latest tier list since roach died out and daria got weaker.

>>169863538
what is this?

>>169863538
Translate it weebs

>>169863323
No, it's a good way to have a terrible deck that ends up losing against everything.
Fucking hell your entire late game is 1-ofs. That is not what you want in a control deck.
Why even have PtP? You're not gonna get enough shadows to use it. Why not just have 2 Juno's instead of Juno and Twin Guardians? Why run Fate's Hand if you're not going to run more cheap spells like magic missile, insight, and commence, all of which are part of the PtP build by the way. Why run Merlin if you're not playing PtP?
Also, you want at least 2 Calamitous. Maybe even 3 with all the sword and daria fucks around.
>>169863365
It's the flexibility anon. Fairy beast is often dead weight against slower decks.
And as another anon said, she also has ward.

>>169863484
Forest was one evo source away from simalacrums being a viable power play for them

>>169863538
Please don't be another suicide card like 4pp for no reason harvest festival

>>169863538
NEW CARDS?

IS IT NEW CARDS TIME?

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>>169863496
HEAR

>>169863546
What is the trait of Dirt rune? 50 turns of pure grind and defense.

why would you need so many copies of the same cards for wincon like PtP or Satan ? this cards only brick your hand if you have so many

>>169863571
Turn 6 though is still pretty late against unga anyway, fairy beast or a weak 6 mana ward

>>169863684
Answer the question.

>>169863649
http://rageofbahamut.wikia.com/wiki/Grand_Admiral_Walfrid

>Grand Admiral Walfrid

>>169863538
>Here's a class that needs a big board
>I know, let's make another amulet that clogs their shit up while gutting tempo yield
Ow

>>169863649
What's airship man gonna do?
He's understatted so he's gotta have a a crazy effect. And he has full evo so it's not a nutballs evo effect

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>>169863569
>needing good cards to win

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>>169863359
Thanks

>>169863729
>>169863646
desu i'm tired of shit discussions.

GL HF

>>169863649
Disappointing, I was expecting his staches to turn into a fullblown beard after evo

>>169863649
Isn't this Lecia's father? I hope we're getting her.

>>169863652
>4pp for no reason harvest festival
There is a very good reason that card is 4pp. May I interest you in a tale of a time when PtP had around a 70+% winrate? And when going first was way better than going second?
https://shadowverse.com/news/important/news-0014

>>169863538
Everytime you play a card, if there's no fairy in your hand, add 1 fairy to your hand.

>>169863753
>He's gonna be an 8pp Admiral
Well I guess... Inb4 plain 3/3 to an allied officer so he's just a worse valhallan

>>169863842
That was several months ago and being 4PP killed the card completely. There is no good reason for it to be 4PP still

>>169863847
Why do they keep giving Forest more ways to make fairies
We don't need more fairies. We have enough fairy generation.

>>169863792
This looks like dirt rune!

>>169863891
This looks fucking awesome, I want it to be good!

>>169863891
shadow legendary?

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>>169863842
>time when PtP had around a 70+% winrate?
against certian matchups in master it had around 65%, it wasn't 70% overall in all brackets, I don't know where this meme comes from

>>169863792
4pp
Gain +1/+1 for each golem played in this game

>>169863684
Because you can reasonably draw more than half your deck by the time they get played.

WEEEEEEEEBS

>>169863196
Consistency lies in the core, not the techs. The essentials are all maxed. The two-of cards have been scaled to that count due to diminishing returns (as in, repeat copies being less powerful) being incredibly apparent over prior test periods. Everything else falls into the category of "miscellaneous nice cards that do a good service on a regular basis but can be a touch situational or unwieldy".

Cutting one wincon to play more of another is not going to do anything for me in the long run because none of them are absolute; I might make a certain matchup or two better, but I'll sacrifice wins in others. That's absolutely fine in a projected tournament environment, but not in the melting pot of the ladder.

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>>169863787
>When you bunga their ungas just right

>>169863792
Nice, offensive dirt card 4 drop. Woo!

>>169863842
I'm cool with it not being 2. It being 4, while needing to play 2 cards to draw when everyone else's draw amulet is 3pp is pure spite. I get that it's intended to be played behind sacrificing your AE to get it out but that's horseshit in every other scenario. Especially because you likely don't even have 2 0's to tia momentum back.

>>169863907
It would still be absurd at 2pp.

>>169863847
Well that sounds like garbage, 4 mana too that takes up a spot on the board to put a fairy in your hand only if you don't have one. How is that a gold?

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>>169863985
That can't be right, that's way too strong.

>>169864074
If only there was a number between 2, where it's broken, and 4, where it's useless.

>>169863847
A more accurate translation is "Every time you unpack this card, gain 250 vials."

>>169863847
Is that the real translation? Why would they reveal cards that are meant to be vials?

>>169863985
any golem?

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>>169863985
HAHAHA TIME FOR MAGISA META

Translations

>>169863649
>Destroy an opponents card, draw cards equivalent to its defense if it was a follower

>>169863891
>Take control of an opponent follower

>>169864041
>The essentials are all maxed
1 Curse is not maxed.
Also it's generally not wise to turn your deck into a sideboard, even in a game without them.
The real problem is that you've mixed in the PtP package with the normal dirt control package. I definitely don't think you're getting 30 shadows with that deck. It'd be smarter to run Teachings instead and cut PtP and Merlin all together; you don't need them if you have Satan and Olivia as your wincon.

>>169863649
fanfare, all other followers get +2/+2, all officers get ward

>>169863792
Earthrite, deal 3 damage to enemy leader or enemy follower.

>>169863891
fanfare, repeat until the board is full, necromance 3 put 1 zombie into play, after that all followers get +2 attack and rush until the end of turn.

>>169864238
>>Take control of an opponent follower
YES MORDECAI IS MINE NOW

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>>169863538
a poor fairy in a cage

so cruel!

>>169863985
This is a fake translation. You can obviously see the number 3 in the original text but nothing in that post.

>>169864197
Yes, go translate it yourself if you don't believe me.

>>169864238
Is that fanfare or on death?

>>169864238
Can I take control of opponent's amulet? I want HavenHag's Seraph just to piss her off.

>>169863985
The card doesn't even say +1/+1 on it, fag.

>>169864238
Where does the "3:" and "+2" factor into that? How pathetic is your life that you have fake spoiler a weeb card game?

>>169864074
Gee, why not 3 pp, like everybody else huh?

>>169863847
So it's pixie's paradise for +1pp that doesn't cause you to have 9 cards at the end of your turn?

Literally why. You can't play with 3 board slots with petal fencer/titania/tempo and nothing else is gonna use that many.

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>>169864238
>Take control of an opponent follower

>>169864290
That's a fake translation anon.
Even if you can't read moon well you can see where it says necromancy 3. There's a 1 in there too.
Also are you stupid, that's way too much text for a simple effect like that.
>>169864367
See above

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>>169864238
>Take control of an opponent follower

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>>169864238
>Take control of an opponent follower

Why are people here so dumb

>>169864449
Reading is hard, anon.

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>faggots falling for obviously wrong translations

>>169864003
5pp
3 5
Fanfare: transform 1X enemy follower in a golem
earthrite: banish instead
spellboost: X

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>All these idiots believing fake translations

>>169864376
I wanted to say that there was no way that /svg/ could believe that Cygames would print an 8 mana removal that can draw you 9 cards, but they managed to prove me wrong.

>>169864254
The shadow legend doesn't buff himself.

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>>169864238
>Everyone falling for this shitty fake translation
Sasuga /svg/
For fuck's sake guys it has a 3 and a 1 in the description

>>169864449
Dubcucks that can't even read numbers, let alone simple kanji.

>>169864509
>bishop

>>169864238
This is another fake translation.

>>169864254
This is real. Someone is spamming fake translations and I'm busy now so I'll translate the rest later.

i missed a couple of threads, what did i miss

>>169864516
You're right, I missed that part. I'll translate all of them again later if someone hasn't done it already. >>169864572

>>169864386
They don't buff cards. They barely nerf cards, you think they're gonna buff shit?
Just accept it's dead

>>169864003
Cute!

Just translated the shadow legendary. Necromancy 3, it fills your board with zombies until your board is full, then it gives all of your followers +2 attack and rush.

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>2 short of lethal on board, but I have an evo point, so I do have lethal on board
>Opponent plays a minion that could save him if he evoed, but decides not to use his evo point to take a bad value trade that saves his life...
>I obviously kill him immediately without even needing to use any more cards
>This is in Take 2 so they literally lose gold for doing this
>Happens literally ALL THE TIME

Do they just not teach people to count in Japanese schools these days, or is taking a bad value trade such a SHAMEFUR DISPRAY that they refuse to do it even if it is a guaranteed loss?

Seriously, I've probably seen this shit happen in Take 2 like 10 times just this week

I'm not even talking about going face when opponent is close to lethal but might not have it. Sometimes you HAVE to do that because your hand is depleted and it's your only out. I understand that.

I'm talking about people not trading when I literally have lethal ON THE BOARD.

And it's not just new players, it's AA and master rankers too.

This shit is blowing my mind with how common it is. Is it just some sort of inscrutable Asian card playing etiquette to let your opponent kill you instead of concede if you think you are going to lose?

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>>169864254
>Spirit cycle midrange last word zombie tempo shadowcraft is go
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

I am become cancer, destroyer of boards, faces, and the hopes of ladder.

>>169864003
Fanfare gain +1/+0 if you have no other follower in play. Can't take damage from card effect

>>169864645
Bullying and bait, a lot of em. There's a bait going on RIGHT NOW. Sign in!

Where are you fags getting these new cards from

>>169864645
Rune got a 5pp spell that deals x damage to the enemy leader with spellboost x+1.
Daria is going to run wild

>>169864689
>using spirit cycle and losing a zombie
u dum dum bruh

>>169864254
Grand admiral's dead on arrival. You don't have a board for him to fill at that point and everyone else already won or is about to nut all over you

> Want to play Shadow because Mordecai is rad.
> Don't want to be "DESTROY RANDOM TARGET" cancer.

I just won a game against shadow because their "destroy random target" thing didn't hit my Bahamut.
If it did, I'd have lost. The entire game came down to that coinflip.
Why is this allowed.

>>169864675
That's 3 shadows for each zombie, not 3 shadows for full board zombies

>>169864674
Stop this shit normalfag. That word give me brain damage.

>>169864850
That's shit.

>>169864839
this is a card game

>>169864839
Shadow has been sent down the path of being the Meme HS Class since they added that stupid mechanic, I really hope next expansion doesn't add any more cards like that, just make them like Kiwi's "Kill highest attack follower" but with different conditions.

>>169864839
>want to play shadow
Cancer

>>169864959
>New Shadow legendary
>10pp spell
>Randomly win or lose the game

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>>169864959
>just make them like Kiwi's "Kill highest attack follower"

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>>169865017
>Only quote half the sentence to make it look stupid

>>169864904
Re-translate:
Perform Necromancy (3) until your board is full: Summon a zombie.
Give +2 Attack and Rush to all other followers

>>169864959
Delete kiwi

>keep going up against heals and wards as aggro
>haven't seen any DShift all day
>switch to control
>immediately get matched against DShift

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All these cards are so underwhelming, the Shadow lego is DOA because of the absurd amount of board clears we are having. Cygames shot themselves in the foot with RoB powercreep and now they are trying to take a step back.

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>>169865075
>A shitty Phantom Howl

No thanks

>>169865075
Maybe there's support for this card we aren't seeing

>>169865075
12 shadows to get a board full of 4/2 zombies?

>>169865165
Maybe they are saving the good cards for later

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>>169865075
>Rush not storm
THANK FUCKING GOD

>>169864682
rank would mean something if you couldn't ride netdecks to it.

>>169864824
>Expecting to have a 5th zombie without draw
If you can't refill you're dead. You aren't gonna vomit enough shadow generation for rebirths, call of the void, madame lich, death's breaths, ethereal form like that. It'll also let you slot in shadow reapers, soul eater's, and necropolis queens to keep a full 4 follower board turn after turn constantly able to attack from last words. Plus it'll help draw a highway to hell to mitigate board mulch.
Man the wind god/gabriel plays are going to be fucking sick.
Malicious ghost and skele fighter are great again, praise kikegames!

>>169864959
Shadow is an honest hardworking john smith who volunteers on the weekend and takes care of his family now.

>>169865165
>4/3 that can deal 3 damage to something

Probably the best thing there to be honest.

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>just ran into someone named Ebola Chan

Alright, which one of you was it?

>>169863891
>>169864254
>>169864516
It doesn't affect itself, but does that mean it applies to any board up prior as well?

>>169864241
Curse is not part of the engine that makes the deck function. It's an add-on. A situationally strong one, but an add-on nonetheless. It exists to help send Golems and whatever else sticks at the face. That's it. If you're playing it defensively, you've more than likely lost the game regardless of playing it. It's not like Foul Tempest, where you can still play several other cards in the same turn, or Themis telling opponent's they're fucked regardless of how much quality or quantity they commit to the board.

Teachings costs more tempo than Fate's typically does, fails to dig as far into the deck, and I don't have the means to reliably consume another set of sigils, nor would I wish to include more. That's another common deck building mistake I see among Dirt decks - putting themselves at a greater overall risk of polarizing hands that have too much of one card type and not enough of another.

If that all works for you, fine. Keep playing it, I'm not gonna bitch you out. But I've been there, I've done that, I've collected my losses and experiences, and I've done my best to learn from them.

>>169865165
If its dead you ask for refund. Shadowbaby.

>>169865075
Death breath the turn prior for 10+ damage burst?

>>169865075
>Can't combo with Phantom Howl

Well shit, that sucks.

>>169865359
I like it.

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Not sure if this has been translated yet, but here you go.

Gravekeeper Sonia. Haven card.
Ward. Fanfare: If you have no other followers on board, gains +1/+0 and becomes immune to damage from spells/effects/amulets.

>>169865261
He's a goddamn lego ffs, but he seems like a good answer for Daria if I think about it with the +2 and Rush. Still, 12 shadows is a very steep cost so I hope we get better shadow generation this pack.

>>169865075
I think the +2 to all other followers might end up being more useful than the zombie spamming.

>>169865287
Yes. The attack buff only last until the end of your turn though.

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Don't tell anyone, but Storm Dragon is pretty good

>>169865359
If all three of your zombies are alive the turn after you death breath you're already winning.

>>169865063
>>169865017
>>169864959
>>169865112
>"Kill highest attack follower"

Didn't Kiwi already did that?
It does not?
I always played around it like that, so its completly random...

>>169865476
Hey that's pretty good

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>>169865247
>>169865359
>>169865265
>>169865075
Forgot: +2 Attack is last until end of your turn

>>169865203
Pic related maybe?

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>>169865509
Using the top 100 list?

>>169865528
If you don't have enough shadows to give them wards, sometimes people ignore them and try to push for lethal.

>>169865476
>A slightly more annoying Goblinmount Demon

Sure, why not. I think its decent.

Private concede pls 86266

>>169865476
So a Liza effect on a ward? Seems pretty good.
Too bad it can still get hit by shit like DoD

>>169865546
None of those posts are saying that, what the fuck are you reading?

>>169863891
>>169865359
voices + resentment + that card, two 3/1 gosts... wait you can't because voices will be mandatory enhanced

>>169865602
opps i'm retarded it's 86226

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>It's a "Your first take 2 opponent has Tsubaki, Bahamut, and Lucifer in the first half of his deck AND HE WENT SECOND" episode

I'd fucking kill myself but after that I'm already dead inside

Still less soul crushing than Floral Fencer -> Monika when going second

>>169865359
Most people I've seen are very good at chewing through a Breath board if it comes up, it's the following Khawy and Nep play that fully shuts them down.

It seems like it'd work best with undesirable to kill followers like Attendants, Chimeras, and Corpses.

If you're working with the zombie spawns though, it'd have been excellent to play a Reaper turn prior so you mulch the zombies on the opponent's followers and get 2 high HP followers up at once uncontested.

>>169865636
You literally said

>I wish Kiwi killed the highest instead of being random like in HS

>>169865546
Kiwi does kill the enemy with the highest attack, I was just suggesting that they add that sort of rule to any future "Kill an enemy when this card dies", something like "Highest defence Follower", "Last follower your opponent played", shit like that so it doesn't feel so stupid when that Lurching Corpse kills the one card it didn't have to kill.

>>169865678
I don't think it require shadows for the attack boost, just for the zombie summonings.

>>169865728
None of those posts say that

Can someone compile all the translations in a single post?

>>169865558
I dont see why I would use this over Foul Tempest then.

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>>169864225
>love Magisa
>hate Rune

I'm so conflicted

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>>169865476
>Gravekeeper Sonia
sexton sonia? :3

I wonder what kind of exciting new burst damage cards we'll get to further drive the game into the ground!
Personally I hope Dirt Rune gets a storm golem that gets to attack twice with earth rite

>>169865745
>>169865787
That's not what you said.
You said Kiwi was random.

>>169865563
Mine looks different, but that one is pretty funny

3 carrot men? Holy shit this is insane

>>169865476
also a cancer card, we are getting too many immune/ward crap, the meta is going to be a snore fest with expensive decks, those who don't have dust/$$ (don't forget we are getting 2x more leggos too) can go fuck themselves

>>169865936
Kiwi is random. He randomly kills an enemy follower with the highest attack.
If you have a bunch of 2 attack ones he'll kill a random one, for instance

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>>169865282
That was me, I had to redownload my game since there was a bug with pink glitches popping up. Also I brick in the first 4 turns. Dunno if it look like BM or not.

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>>169865872
Don't be inappropriate, Sonia is pure

>>169865359
This. the important part is that any curse of rebirth/buccaneer/breath/deathwalker/void/apprentice necromancer zombies are still around are anywhere from 4-8 face each depending on how much your ghost/rebirth memes hit

>>169865476
Could be worse I guess. She's still entirely in evo/board trade range so unless they bricked it's nothing. since you can't play any stat boosts with it. so it's a coin flip if they underestimated you or not. Unless they brick hard, a valhallan or a chorus+heal isn't gonna help her hang on unless you were ahead which you shouldn't be.

They need to add 2, 2pp spell immunes, 2 3pp spell immunes, and an offensively statted 4 drop so stat boost target immune haven has enough targets for its curve. It's the worst to not have your mainyu for t3 chorus, t4 evo+protectoress+water, etc.

>>169865509
You wont fool me sun satan

>>169865774
enhanced voices cost iirc 8pp and his buff is fanfare (i assume) so voices should be played first

>>169865992
It's not immune, it just doesn't take damage from spells and effects.
Don't worry aggro faggot, you can still Dance of Death her fine

>>169865992
Liza after Ancient Elf is cancer?

Second link updated with 5 new cards

>Fairy Cage
>Captain Walfrid
>Celestial Golem
>Hector, Demon General
>Sonia, Sexton of the Golden City

>>169866137
Yes?

>>169865563
Why does this have 3 of the gourmet emperor? What the hell is that 3pp card 3rd from the left?

This looks nuts

>>169865203
It's a spirit cycle last word tempo shadow deck.
Necropolis queen, rebirth, etc. the problem it always had was being able to maintain its hand so it could maintain a board presence while using bane and shadow effects to value and chip. You pull off some crazy shit with off-curve malicious ghost and curse of rebirth once you have a board up.

>>169866223
The cards third from the left are both 2pp

Right, just to say that Sonia cannot be damaged by effects from followers, spells and amulets, but you still can trade into her. Just seems to hoax Rune in general with all their burn spells.

>>169866021
>Kiwi is random. He randomly kills an enemy follower with the highest attack.

You're contradicting youreself

Random >=! Kill highest

>>169866223
>>169865974
I can't really too much about the deck but this deck was Top 100 in masters last month.

>>169866223
Griffon knight, Fanfare: randomly discard one of the lowest cost (luxfang kit/trail of tears) and do 2 damage to an enemy follwoer

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>>169866154
>Hector
>Demon General

i assume it's pro-greek, reeee!

>>169866290
That's not a contradiction. Did you miss the second part of my post? If you have 4 2 drops and kill Khawy, he will kill a random one, as they all have the highest attack.
He has a random effect but it is random within certain parameters.

How should Cygames balance the ridiculous difference in winrate when going first vs going second?

>>169866282
If it's anything like Liza's effect, cards with Destroy effects still works.

>>169866290
Do you have brain damage by any chance?

I don't know about you guys, but I like Hector. He makes Valhallan General looks like a pussy.

>>169866357
the trojans were greeks too retard, just a different tribe

>>169865563
Why not just name your deck IHATEAGGRO

>>169866396
Stop printing bullshit evolve cards for one.
Removing the extra card from going second would be a good place to start.

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>>169865936
>...just make them like Kiwi's "Kill highest attack follower"

He's still random in a sense, he has a rule for his random effect, it can only target the enemy with the highest attack.
Say you got a 4/5, a 4/1 and a 2/2 on your board and the enemy plays Kiwi and then he uses Soul Conversion on Kiwi to kill it, Kiwi's text says he will target the follower with the highest attack, but in this case there's 2 followers that have the same attack, so Kiwi will randomly kill either the 4/5 or the 4/1, but he won't consider the 2/2 since it's attack is different from the 2 followers with the highest attack.

>>169866154
>Second link

what link though?

>>169865867
Play her in conjuring force deck with dragonbond mage and the others.

Concede please?

49712

>>169866567

The second one in the OP

>>169866475
>That deck
>I hate aggro
What are you smoking? That deck is barely anti-aggro, fucking hell it's basically aggro itself.
You want anti aggro? Look at Elana or Sunshine Haven. Now that's a deck that will make aggro cry.

>>169866454
Because why not play Sage Commander that costs 6? Costing 8PP sounds more of a hassle to accomplish something great than Sage Commander.

>>169865075
This card is so fucking shit. What were the devs thinking.

>>169866579
Thanks!

>>169866607

Derp, I'm retarded. Was thinking about the Admiral shitter.

>>169864873
Fine weeb. Moe-chan kawaiiii desu neeee!

Happy now?

>>169866154
Sonia looks a little strong

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>Darkness Evolved Tempo Forest still works fine and will always be a good deck

>>169866154
>Sonia
>8/8
:thinking:

>>169866471

nope

they were some anatolian people (probably closely related to lydians) and lived on the territory of the modern turkey

romans considered them their ancestors through aeneas

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>>169866749
Pretty much.

Remember guys, each game is a step closer to uninstall or become a masochist.

>>169866652
>get good card
>I-it's shit

I hate shadow players so much.

>>169866396
It's fine. You should either take cards that allow you to seize/hold momentum or accept the consequences of lunging for the win

>>169866607
I think the intention is to allow a sword tempo deck to ward up with basically a stronger navy commander

>>169866689
>>169866607
Rousing step is +1/+1 withotu a body
Sage is only +1/+1
Admiral is +2/+2 to only 1 officer

So I think with some tricks, you can have a board going into t8 then explode with a super rousing step basically

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>>169866779

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what do

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>>169866850
That's some top tier fanart

>>169866868
>I think with some tricks
I'll spoil the trick for you:
Turn 7: play Otohime

>>169866863
Fuck off. We have to play the worst class in the game for two expansions straight and now the next expansion still has us in the bottom tier.

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>>169863649
>>169864254
So after they introduced massive board clears for everyone, they make a card that is board dependent?

THANKS CYGAMES, I DIDN'T WANT A GOOD SWORD CARD ANYWAYS.

>>169866652

>death's breath or goblin princess on the last turn
>not answered? Have 12 or 10 damage to the face

Fucking shit right.

>>169866834
>>169866754

Woops, should be checking it first instead of direct pasting. Thanks.

>>169866868

>only 1 officer

It's all other followers, then ward to officers. It's Sage on steroids.

>>169866846
Aeneas is a greek name, so is Priamus, Hector etc

they also spoke greek, worshipped the greek pantheon and had the same customs more or less

>>169866968
Shadow isn't the worst class in the game. And before DE they were tier 1.
They've only been bad in the DE meta.

>>169866968
Worst class since standard until now is still blood.

>>169866983
Please fix +2/0 from Hector only last until end of your turn, not permanent

>>169866652
Do you understand your ability to keep followers on the board and that the only real limiter holding it back has been a high end power play that would keep its token flood relevant. Which it's just been given?
That's 4 face for every follower still up on t7. Mind you, you just death breath'd on t6 so you likely have 3 followers still up when he drops thanks to skele fighter filler, chimera, malicious,, rebirth on shit like a lich, etc making it a 12 face t7.

>>169866891
Baha

>>169866968
wah wah

>>169866973
yes sword totally don't have good cards

What the fuck happened to the ladder over the past day or so?

I just played 10 games and i got 6 sword and 4 shadow i shit you not

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>>169866536
>>169866373
>>169866428
>hey anon Kiwi is not random
>except it is
>but also it is not

Every class is at least playable, bordering on really good.

Only class to be completely shit was Rune at the start

>>169867071
Oh thought he was 2/2 to officers give ward. +1/1's kind of eh. You're not gonna have a lot of board unless they had no aoe at all.

>>169867221
How stupid are you?
It's random but it's random within certain parameters so the outcome is controllable to an extent.

who /already 10000 score/ here?

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>>169867221
I give up, I just really hope you were fucking with us the whole time.

>>169866396
GEE I DUNNO

Maybe the problem is that Player 2 has an extra evolve, and they keep making evolve cards that give far, far, FAR more than +2/+2 and rush in value (lol levi literally just gets a crimson sorcery on top of the standard evolve buff FOR FREE. FOR. FREEEEEE.), and so it becomes next to impossible to outfucking value them?

But, they say, if they give the person who goes first 3 evolves, they'll just evolve to shit out damage if they ever get ahead and then you lose.

Which is true.

How about they kill two birds with one stone - stem the absolutely cancerous tempo/aggro evolve plays AND even the playing field between going first and second?

How?

JUST MAKE IT SO THAT NOTHING, FOR ANY REASON EVER, CAN ATTACK FACE THE TURN IT EVOLVES. YES, EVEN IF IT WAS PLAYED THE TURN BEFORE. YES, EVEN IF IT HAS STORM. IF YOU EVOLVE, YOU CAN'T GO FACE WITH THAT MINION THAT TURN. IF YOU WANT TO GET DAMAGE WITH EVOLVE, YOU HAVE TO COMMIT THE TURN BEFORE AND BE EXPOSED TO COUNTERPLAY. YOU CAN'T JUST SHIT OUT A BOARD THEN WAIT TO EVOLVE WHATEVER LIVES.

Yes, no more 10 damage Alberts either.

There, now you can give first player 3 evolves without breaking every single aggro deck when they go first.

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>>169867282
>It's random but it's random

words of wisdow....

>>169867221
It's not random in the majority of situations as there are rarely 2 or more "strongest" followers at turn 7/8 more or less making it a kill he effect. It's random in that in the unlikely case that there are 2 6 attack followers it picks between the two at random

>>169867254
Nah Blood and Haven used to suck hard. Haven always sucked in standard, and blood started to suck once PtP rose to power. It wasn't until DE that blood became playable and Haven became good

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>all the fotm faggots who were playing roach last week have swapped to the newest swordshitter unga netdeck

I need to get out of AA

>>169867346
If they gave player 1 three evolves player 1's winrate would fucking skyrocket. Player 2 would never be able to get the tempo and just get run over every single game

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>>169867101
>Worst class since standard until now is still blood

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>>169867359
>It's not random
>It's random

>>169867346
Are you retard? you are literally killing the advantage of going first

>>169867346
If only you had fanfares and spells that let you cuck evo bulk
If only you had followers who would have to be killed before someone could go after your face
If only you could take heals to restore burn
If only you had rush or evolves x effects for pseudo-rush
If only you had the ability to draw cards
If only you took cards which could consistently be played for value to destroy their board and hand responding

>>169867449
>B3
You're cute anon

>>169867449
anon i'm a blood main at AA0 and know how bad the craft is.

but showing B3 is not a good way to convince someone.

>>169867458
>It is technically random
>In the majority of the cases it is used, there is only 1 valid target, highest attack value. it can affect
>This makes it not-random under those common circumstances

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>>169867094
homer was an ancient greek poet, dude, do you expect him using non-greek names or what?

btw you likely have a greek or jewish name yourself (john, steve, dave, mike w/e), are you a greek or a jew?

also it seems nowadays the name of priam seems to be derived from some luwian language, one of the anatolian languages

>>169867346
That would drop the winrate of all aggro decks going second to <40%.
They've already fucked up the entire 1st/2nd balance when they created cards like Dragon Warrior and Levi, it's never going to be fixed until they make very significant changes.

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>>169867221
Holy shit.

>>169867584
why are you still replying to him

When is Bloodcraft going to be good

>>169867607
Why are you replying to me?

>dirtrune gets a levi that doesn't require EP

It might be really good.

>>169867564
you are a shit because people easily get to masters with aggro blood

>>169867587
>When they created cards like Dragon Warrior
Wrong.
Dragon Warrior is a basic. Going second wasn't better until DE. At first, even with the turn 4 evolve cards, going first was still better. So much better that they gave 2nd player an extra card to try and make up for it, and going first was still mostly better.
When they printed even more bullshit evolve cards in DE is when things started to swing in p2's favor.

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>turn 3
>already down to 10hp
Why is sword allowed already

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So do you guys finish off your opponent just to get the game over with or do you prefer doing a ton right before you lethal just to kinda be annoying.

I just go for lethal honestly.

>>169867776
depends on what they're playing

>>169867776
Depends on their deck

>>169867813
>>169867776
this

I almost explode the button against rune

>>169867776
i just go for lethal instead of dropping all cards in hand, i never spam emotes for bm either unless they do it to me or their Dshift cuz fuck dshift.

>>169867776
why do you assume i ever finish somebody off

>>169867754
If we only allowed Masters players to post this general would barely be faster than /hsg/

>>169867754
Are you ok?

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>>169867934
desu master players are not different from C0

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>>169867934
If only masters could post, there would be one post per hour saying "I want Olivia to sit on my face" and no armchair game design posts

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>there's people on this thread
>that reroll quests like those

These are literally the best quests in the entire game,

Good thing I main Daria/Swordcraft and I get daily free wins.

Dragon vs. Atomemes, very funny
https://my.mixtape.moe/etnbns.flv

>>169867776
I've just noticed that Percival has the most stunning green eyes, this angle makes him look like a sex beast. Woah!

>>169868103
>I main Daria/Swordcraft
kys

>>169867776
I just go for the game with the cutest minion I have on board

>>169867776
I just end it. Fucking around is bad karma and kills you.

>>169868110
give the correct link kiddo

>>169868103
Id rather save up gold for new packs instead of packs I dont need.

If you just do pure gold quests every day then youll have enough gold to buy a little over 120 packs every time a new xpac comes out.

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>>169868113
Him and Fangblade are favorites of mine. Two good looking dudes.

Shame Percival is only "okay".

>>169868059

t. B0

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Getting double is always funny as fuck.
Fuck the faggots that decided that the amulet proc doesn't go so your first commander is a dead drop though.


>>169868103
When you're not in the shitter ranks it can take a bit.

>>169868234
Prefer green eyes to brown desu.

>>169868286
Someone meme this deck with me.

what is this thing?

>>169868059
they have more patience to grind and about the same skill/decks like b-a

>>169867146
All those cards you mentioned except for Breath are fucking trash, and it's not like your zombies from Breath are guaranteed to survive either because of the insane amount of board clears every class has access to. Not mention you would most likely be out of shadow if you use him after Breath so you can't even get much value out of his fanfare.

>>169868103

>daria

Your opinion is discarded.

>>169867776
Whatever ends the game fastest. If I have a choice I'll put them to 0 life exactly instead of a giant overkill.

>go face is not cool
>winning with seraph is not cool
>combo is not cool

What is allowed way to play CG?

>>169868174
https://youtu.be/fZtb4qysC1I

>>169868505

Milling.

>>169868505
Control

>>169868505
JO Dragon.

>>169868505
Swordcraft with only bronze cards.

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>>169867754
Good shit, anon.

>>169868505
Winning with Seraph is fine.
The only combo kill that actually has counterplay

>>169868337
Well mine is just ironwrought-arthurian light. I play ironwrougt on curve then another and cursed general or Arthurian light so they're all storm and get stat boosts from commanders to infinite value the board since I no longer have to play token generators.

If you meant the general in general, it's a cursed storm midrange deck build around playing a cursed general and assassin on t6 to ambush him then ram the other guys face with 10+ storm dmg per turn until they or your hand gives out.

>>169868384
Tempo in general gets bent by AoE. That comes with it.

>>169868505
Vanilla beatdown with only 1/2 1pp followers till either player gets fatigue'd.

>>169868554
cool game famalam

>>169868560
15 minutes youtube video of Control Wariorr vs Control Warrior decided by RNG
>>169868562
But control decks need go to face or win with something

Boy I really love it when they manage to get a perfect curve in t2 haha epic meme

>>169868775
>But control decks need go to face or win with something
Ever heard of a grinder deck?
They don't exist in SV because of the insane lategame wincons, but they're a thing in card games. You win by a war of attrition until your opponent is out of stuff. They're pretty fun, I wish there was more support for them

>>169862382
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts?tags=shoebill_%28kemono_friends%29

>>169868905
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yADlhYicZC4

>>169868905
The only time I had fun playing Hearthstone was cucking people with grinder mage

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>>169868858
>drafts shit deck
>gets shit curve
>drafts good deck
>gets good curve
Really spellboost my oglers.

>>169868905
Thank fuck those snorefests don't exist in SV.