/dfg/ - Dwarf Fortress General

Haha i claim this thread for the Elves

>>169791671
lmao xDD

You forgot to update the OP.
Rimworld refugees are welcome.

>>169791671
I always rob elves I don't care if you consider it cheating but that's what I do

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On this weeks episode of /dfg/ Tourney...

Two sexually depraved elves fight in skimpy clothing...

To the death? Or to the cum?

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I wonder how much less lag the towns would have if it wasn't for all these cats running around and trying to get through pet-safe doors.

>>169791835
I want my sword to lie inside destiny to the hilt if you know what I mean.

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>>169792046
Oh lord, yeah, cat behavior is accurate and awful.

>>169790206
Was answer already, but yeah, I just... hit the [ and ] keys in between the - and = above, and the ' and part of the enter below, shift+[ and ] spits out curly brackets { and } so I was super lost, but hey, whaddup comfyswedeanonbro!

>>169791671
I claim your body for armok

Why are Humans such fucking assholes when trading?
>Won't accept any trade unless they have a shitton of profit from their end
>Meanwhile Elves and Dwarves don't care even if they end up with around 40 dorfbucks of profit
Fucking bastards.

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Gee, I wonder why he was replaced?

>>169793034

>Stealtaxes

If i ever going to run for any governmental office i will change my name to this

>>169792934
The price of superior craftsmanship

>>169793034
>Zolak Stealtaxes
I think your game master might be an ancapper.

>>169793484
Why do I feel I kinda know what ancapper is?

>>169793576
You should know what an ancapper is

>mention that I'm a monkey
>alll next posts are instantly shitposts
Jesus christ /dfg/ and people call aussies shitposters.
Update when

>>169793804
Shut the fuck up monkey, go back to your jungle

>>169793976
rude

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>>169793804

>>169788980
By necessity, strictly vanilla players use the strictly vanilla method of managing labors in every fort. v p l

Square, of course.

Very stable. I've had one crash that I believe was dfhack related in several months of using it.

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>>169793804
The post where I chuckled about it was because I found the "in monkey" to be an absurd non sequitur and don't actually know that I've ever heard it being used in regards to brazilians.

>>169793639
Fuck man all I'm getting is a vague sense that it's some sort of shit to like a trade deal or conspiracy about one or some stupid shit like that, fuck brb, duckduckgo will help surely.

...

Anarcho-Capitalists are still a thing huh... fuck, not what I was thinking at all.

>>169788980
>vanilla only
Fuck that, dfhack for life bitches, manipulator all day erryday.

>tilesets
The vector curses sets Dragon dePlatino made (as a demo basically >.>) are available in 8x12, 16x24, 24x36, 32x48, 40x60, and 48x72 in clean crisp and vanilla proper style: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=161328.0

I spent too much time on my walls to give them up, and like my shaded ground tiles and whatnot so I use this but I replaced my old vorpal cornerclipped upscale of the curses_640x300.png tileset with the non-wall tiles from dePlatino's.

Where can I edit Instruments? I want real fucking names and not those disgusting names that tell me nothing

>>169795302
cuck

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>>169791835
>>169791835
Source on the pic plz ?

>>169795302
There's some instructions on how to do that in the raw/objects/examples and notes folder.
It shouldn't be too hard to do. Also check the wiki.

How hard is it to get DT to work with the current version?

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New player here, what can I do with a Werelizard Cheese Maker locked in my hospital? I really don't want to kill him.

Wall him off in a room and make him a record keeper

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>>169795302
Yeah, basically just what: >>169795673 said, put in an item_instruments.txt file with the appropriate format and
[OBJECT:ITEM]
*instrument definitions*
type of shit in it, then remove the [GENERATE_*_INSTRUMENTS] lines.

>>169796226
Ask Mr. Owl, though I hear he never made it without just using dfhack and manipulator.

>>169796226
If you're using 32bit dwarf fortress, just download the new ini. If you're on linux, use this for 64bit:
https://github.com/Hello71/Dwarf-Therapist

>>169795484
I just typed in 'the arena' to google images and it popped up

>>169796250
You can wait out his transformation, but it will happen again. Death is really the only cure for werebeasts. You also could just lock him away forever, but he'll die then too.

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is this a good /dfg/ paper, or am I just a pleb?

>>169798062
>but he'll die then too
No he won't.

>>169799101
it's good. it was made by several anon's here in the general.

only problem is that the 'オ' should be small.

>>169799101
>touhou 6 shortcut
>not custom launcher shortcut to all of them
Plebeian.

>>169799101
>weebverse
>tohou
just kys yourself

>>169799101
>xxxx - shortcut

This triggers my autism..

>>169799101
The two are not mutually exclusive.

>>169799101
>mcaf

Is this a gore desktop

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>>169801382
What's wrong with Mcaf?

>>169794607
>duckduckgo
see, until that, I actually thought that monkey was a stupid nickname for brazilians

>>169799101
>PCSX2 1.4.0
>ePSXe
Seriously?

Hey please, I need some modders to answer me stuff about werecreatures

When transformed, do the people that knew you before the transformation know that you are yourself?
why do werecreatures make people feel bad, if its just a transformation?
Could I amake a transformation toggled at will, without people freaking out?

Can I ''toggle'' between bodies?

>>169802409
dont listen to this guys anon
I could've never have replayed legend of legaia if it wasnt for emulators

>>169802715
I didn't say emulators were bad

It's just that there's no reason to use the 1.4.0 version of PCSX2 when you can download one of the 1.5.0 devbuilds that works better. And there's no reason to use ePSXe when Mednafen and PCSX-R exist, since they are both better emulators.

>already a circlejerk before 50 replies

Is this the power of rimworld? Turning the dwarf fortress general into a discussion about favela monkeys and some faggot's desktop?

>>169802603
no
it's spooky
no

Is it better to start with adventure mode at this point?

>>169803149
HURRRRRRRRR DUNT RUIN COMFY MOOD FAAAAAAAAAAAG HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

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What do?

>>169803770
Well, what do you want to make?
For what you have,
>tetrahedrite for copper weapons
>gold/silver/platinum for statues/furniture

>>169803770
Everything.

>>169803770
What do you want to do?

>>169803770
Smelt tetrahedrite. you will get copper and silver. make copper armor and silver warhammers. then smelt gold/platinum to make decorations and furniture.

>>169803770
that's a nice collection of metals, my current fort only has shittones of platinum, so it's lots of bling but no weapons

>>169804534
Well you know what to do? Make ridiculously extravagant platinum furniture, and ask for weapons next time the trader comes, make the slider be all the way to the right, so that next year, you buy all the weapons with maybe two or three items.

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Genuine question. What does DF have that Rimworld doesn't? Never played and don't want to play Rimworld and just wanted to know the main differences.

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>>169804673
z-levels, good gameplay, developer with vision and skill, autist audience, nice graphics, intuitive and informative UI

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Okay, I must admit that I find this night hag extremely arousing. Apparently she's a "whispering horror".

>>169804914
DF doesn't have nice graphics

Letters aren't nice

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>>169805117

>>169804914
>intuitive and informative UI

Good one. Papa dwarf himself said multiple time the UI was awful and didn't make any sense and that it was the result of a chaotic and long development.

Seriously, how fucking biased can someone possibly be

>>169805185
Well honestly it's just subjective, some like it and some don't, I don't, so I use other tilesets like phoebus or spacefox.

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>>169805445
I guess it's just what I'm used to.
Throughout my formative years I played a shitload of Nethack, which has an even worse UI by far.

>>169804673
I didn't know about Rimworld until you mentioned it, but I don't think it has anything like Legends or Adventure mode, or the depth of personality-gen, or industry, or the ability to make them mad projects.

>>169804673
Z levels
In depth World gen

Its enough.

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>Urist likes humans for their stature.

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>Urist likes elves for their ears.

>>169802879
didnt know

>>169803318
only true answers ples

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>Urist absolutely detests elves for their kinslaying

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>>169803770
I gave brass the tags to make weapons and armour out of it. It's almost as tough as bronze, no reason it shouldn't be possible.

>>169807159
>Ulspa covets dwarf children for their beards but then shaves them cause she's a bastardwhoreslut.

>>169802292
You know what the best thing about monkeys is?
There's like a brazilian of them!

>>169802603
They freak because you're a crazed monster, if you transform into a huge frothing humanoid mammoth and start biting people it kinda bums folks out.

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>>169807975
Cheater.

>>169809195
Next you'll tell me giving steel to humans and goblins is also cheating

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>>169810175
CHEATER CHEATER CHEATER

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

>>169810175
No but it's disgusting. Steel belongs to the dwarves. next thing you're gonna tell me is that you gave stonecrafting to elves.

>>169810381
Of course not, since that doesn't make sense.

Humans and goblins using steel does make sense, there's no reasons why they shouldn't be able to.

>>169799123
That's right. I forgot werebeasts literally can't die without being killed by something else.

>>169810456
They haven't solved the riddle yet you fucking dumbass.

>>169803770
>adamantine

SWORD

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>>169805117

>>169810685
DF is not Conan you cunt.

>>169810862
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

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>>169811530

fuking mbumps my dorfs

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So, how's everyone doing today?
Got any new projects to work in DF?

>>169814653
I'm at work pretending to be productive.

No new projects, just a million old ones.

>>169815008
>No new projects, just a million old ones.
that hit too close to home. Fuck
I should be doing things

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>>169814653
>mfw i never finished any project in DF, let alone megaprojects.

>>169815230
I mean, theoretically almost anything more complex than a room can be a project
a moat would definitely qualify, so would an archery tower

>>169810456
Making steel is a very complex process. Very few people knew hoe to make it in the middle ages, so it makes sense only dwarves, wich are masters in metallurgy, to be the only ones that know and understand the chemical processes.

>>169809195
It's not cheating if you don't modify the material properties. It's the same old vanilla brass, I'm just beating it into new shapes.

Giving steel to humans and goblins is definitely cheating though.

>>169815626
And allowing platinum whips and slade hammers wouldn't be cheating either then?

>>169815546
I don't think it makes sense, since by the type of armor and weapons the goblins and humans can make, I would situate them at around the late middle ages, and, if I remember correctly, at that time steel weapons weren't uncommon.

>>169815521
I meant some good project like castle, labirynth etc.

Not even gonna mention conquering hell or stuff like that.

>>169815734
Don't be silly, you can't work slade.

>>169815734
Not him, but those are both a lot better than the vanilla options. Brass is a shit metal for shit people, he's practically handicapping himself by using instead of the vanilla options if they're available to him.

>>169817804
It's better than plain copper.
Admittedly worse than anything else though.

It should be possible to use cheese for rock fall traps

a giant cheddar is sure kill on any goblins

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>>169805117
DF is to graphics what assembly is to visual coding. Shit like Scratch or LEGO programming might be nice to look at and intuitive, but it quickly becomes inefficient, slow and irritating. The text looks intimidating at first glace, but once you realize its true value, you will embrace it for it paints a landscape much more detailed than any little sprite could manage.

Letters also get to use two layers by default, too.

>>169819496
Or like a complex novel- Joyce or Nabby or Lowry, etc.

>>169819496
Assembly is a bitch to write.

>>169818864
I want to be able to make different cheeses. Diff process for edam and cheddar and parmesan. I want a food release, complete with procgen cuisines and food culture.

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>>169818864
Cheese is for bait.

>>169819496
I'm an ASCII tileset player myself, but not because I think it's inherently superior, but because I prefer the aesthetic. That said, there's a good argument for graphics, and it goes directly contrary to your claim.
With a single tileset you're more greatly limited in the amount of information you can convey to the player. The more possible unique tiles, the more potential to present information. By default, graphical tilesets give MORE detail than ASCII, not less. The mere fact that graphical tiles attempt to be visually isomorphic to the thing they're representing reinforces this feature. ASCII tilesets, on the other hand, give very little detail, and make little or no attempt at resemblance to thing they represent, relying on the players' imaginations to furnish the details. It's disingenuous at the very least to claim that ASCII tilesets paint a more detailed landscape. You and I are doing that, at the expense of a greater degree of information being visually apparent.

the DF UI is a little subpar. the nested menu system needs a rework. some menus and items are placed arbitrarily. some menus should be merged into others.
it works very well when you get used to it but it's not thought out very well

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>>169821523
With every graphical tileset I've ever used, I have always seen more repeats than I have with ASCII. ASCII has just tons of symbols to use by default: capitals and lower case, special symbols and even diacritic, as well as coloring them a whole 256 colors each, with the letter itself having a different possible color than the background, which could indicate something in of itself.
And then there is the elephant in the room. The ASCII tileset is a prominent part of DF not because it's useful, not because it's particularly beautiful, but because it's traditional. The ASCII tileset allows for numerous injokes and little gaffes that aren't readily apparent to the usual person exactly because of the lack of visual cues. It's a basic elitist filter, but an effective one. It doesn't inherently benefit gameplay itself, but it benefits the culture surrounding it and all its content.
You wouldn't be able to do pic related with Phoebus.

>>169822251
>With every graphical tileset I've ever used, I have always seen more repeats than I have with ASCII.
Can you give an example? I've used quite a few of them myself and I can't think of any. I also can't think of any reason; graphical tilesets use a tileset with the same properties and number of tiles as any ASCII tileset, with an additional arbitrary number of unique tiles for creatures. Many graphical tilesets change the default tile for some walls, but I can't think of any that change anything else other than that and unique creature sprites.

I agree with the second part of your post, in principle at least. I don't know that a pleb filter is a very helpful thing for a game that runs on donations.

>>169822251
Plus there are things you can do and represent via the CP437 set which are universal to some extent, but I can barely identify the races in some tilesets, much less which job they're supposed to be, just not familiar enough with most of them.

g ' ≈ B ∞ ~ , . ` . ,
` . Ü , '┐ , ~@> ─
B ë ` g . ─ ≈ ' , ` .

>>169822251
Most graphic sets just make everything more confusing for me, since they're often very inconsistent.

Some things will be hard to see since there's more detail in every object/creature rather than just a letter or symbol.
I've yet to see a graphic set that doesn't hurt to look at

>>169824606
Your lack of familiarity with creatures in a graphical tileset isn't an argument against creature graphics any more graphical tileset user's lack of familiarity with ASCII symbols is an argument against ASCII. And there isn't anything that can be represented in ASCII that can't be represented graphically, the difference is merely cosmetic. All you're saying is "I understand this thing that I made an effort to learn more than this other thing that I haven't learned."

>>169825798
This. I have never understood why people try and use this as an argument against graphical tilesets. And I would argue that graphical tile sets are far easier to under stand to begin with.

>>169825798
>>169826497
>waah waah, why do people use vanilla tileset? it offends me!!!

>>169827040
>waah waah, why don't people use vanilla tileset? it offends me!!!

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Funny fact: the Saguaro is legally protected IRL, and "poaching" it is a serious crime.

I guess my playstyle is a bit edgy.

>>169827373
That doesn't sound edgy at all

>>169827418
Fuck off kid

>>169827491
Still not edgy

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>>169827418
How about this?

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>>169825798
It was more to a point I forgot to make cause I got caught up doodling an adventurer with their guts trailing as they run from some soldiers and a couple beak dogs while dodging bolts.

Ideally people would at least get a basic familiarity with ascii and how it works, rather than only learning how to see things through the frame of a single graphics set.

If more of them tried to share some sort of consistency it would be nice, but most of that which you find is just "Phoebus/Ironhand/Mayday did it this way, so that's how I'm going to do it" and then you end up with two extremes, GemSet which had the goal of using a graphic or override for every single tile displayed at any time, and CLA which tries to make graphics as ASCII like as possible.

When I tried to make some creature graphics I went with the latter approach, which is the only bit of my older graphics fucking around that I remain proud of.

I should redo those with the cleaner vector tiles as a basis actually.

>>169827040
>>169827162
Literally no one has used either of those arguments or any argument remotely like them. This has been a civil discussion on the merits of different aesthetic choices until your shitflinging.

>>169827817
Impressive, but not edgy

For all we know that kid could have grown up to be a criminal, maybe you actually did something good

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>>169827905
>muh serious discussion
>muh shitposter boogeyman

>>169827905
Ignore them, they're shitposters.

>>169824606
>g ' ≈ B ∞ ~ , . ` . ,
>` . Ü , '┐ , ~@> ─
>B ë ` g . ─ ≈ ' , ` .

I never really realized before that you could just type in a scene and people would be reasonably able to tell what's going on. Neat.

>>169791527
I can make the game look like that now?

Best world size?

But is there a Rimworld tileset?

>>169829280
I think that's the spacefox tileset

>>169830306
not yet

>>169827826
I get your point. I agree that it's good for new players to learn ASCII, but a lot of them simply won't. It's easy for us to say "good, fuck those guys they can't join my club" but I don't think it's good for DF or its community. There are people picking up DF for the first time who have never played a 16bit game, much less a fully abstracted autism simulator. That's only going to be the case more and more as time goes on. I grew up playing roguelikes, text adventures, MUDs, etc, so jumping into an ASCII game is second nature to me. Post-millenials by and large won't have that going for them, and DF will wither on the vine if its niche becomes restricted to 40-and-50-somethings.
As for consistency, I don't think that's desirable at all. Aesthetics and art are all about preference and creativity. I say the more the merrier. It really goes against the imagination argument to say that every artist who makes a crundle tile ought to interpret it the same way. I hope more and more divergent sets are released in the coming years. I may not use them or know what I'm looking at when screenshots are posted, but it can't be a bad thing for there to be more creative interpretation of the content of a procedural story generator.

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>he doesnt play as elfs

So therapist update when. Manipulator kinda sucks in comparison

>>169832789
>Manipulator kinda sucks in comparison
How?

Not having to exit full screen seems like a big pro.

>>169832789

Its schedule to be updated withing the summer of 2019 if everything goes smoothly

>>169832789
See
>>169667095

I don't use either, so I don't really have a dog in this fight. I just wanted to save max the trouble of once again cussing like an 11 year who just discovered that his parents won't know if they aren't around hear it in an attempt to sound disarmingly casual about his irrational preference.

>>169831461
Nah, I don't follow the "fuck those guys" crowd at all, I'm happy with newbies joining, they're great, some of it is grumpy old fogey "I ain't spendin' time learnin' no god dang graphics, I served my time dammit" type of shit, but it's also wanting them to be more fluent in seeing what is going on in their head rather than *little graphical tile a bumping into little graphical tile b* without the format of the graphics involved filtering it first.

Might just be concidence but I didn't appreciate fanart of df as much until I got used to "seeing the matrix" and interpreting what's actually going on without propping myself up on the various cues I had been depending on previously.

Aesthetics and such is nice, but the design language itself can say such different things, like the GemSet banner: http://dwarffortresswiki.org/images/8/86/Gemset_Logo.png

You have a sort of sample set of different creatures and jobs and whatnot, it's got a big cartoony style that was designed to be easy to interpret, but it takes a bit of learning to really get it since there are SO FUCKING MANY TILES replaced, with twbt ending up with all of them replaced.

Then, look at the CLA banner: http://dwarffortresswiki.org/images/5/59/ZwymD.png

It fucking SAYS "CLA graphic set", but it's //also// a Crocodile, Lion, Anaconda, gorlak, rabbit, fish(alpha symbol), parrot, hornbill, ibex, crab, shark, emu, turkey!

Then, Obsidian: http://dwarffortresswiki.org/images/c/c7/Zscrn-obsidian.jpg

I can't even tell where the dorfs are without leaning in and looking around unless I get lucky and happen to look directly at one right off, and I couldn't begin to tell you what professions/soldier types they are, shit, I think the one up at the top with the silvery boot has a shield, and fuck me are there a bunch of goblins in the next room?

Looking at Mayday: http://dwarffortresswiki.org/images/6/61/Zscrn-mayday.jpg

I totally missed lots of dorfs in Obsidian.

LNP updated when

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>>169804673
Z-levels, caves, adventure mode I don't think rimworld has an adventure mode, also the most loveable dev of all time.

Most importantly DF is free

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>>169834708
I guess they're too lazy to update before the next version hits.

>>169833205
Its not as comprehensive as therapist. Therapist being an external program is a pretty minor gripe

>>169833634
(Max was cussing at his foolishness for not making use of the c_variation_default.txt tricks to do things like:

>copy creature 1 caste a+b
>remove tokens and materials
>add new tokens and materials
>only need 15 to 20 lines to do this
>previously used as many per alt-caste

>>169834708
It already is....

>>169834935
Which additional features does Therapist have, and are those features really worth interrupting my immersive gameplay experience everytime I want to change labours?

>>169835751
>immersive gameplay experience
Sometimes I think this is a joke when applied to DF, and sometimes I think people are serious.

>>169835751
Replace "immersive" with "aesthetically pleasing" and I agree with you.

Certainly it isn't just about convenience, I've gone in and manually enabled/disabled labors with gm-editor while I was tinkering in brains and souls and whatnot, it's all about the pretty, and the lack of pretty which therapist has.

>>169833205
There's quite a few gui oversights
like, how do you delete a previously saved profession?

It feels somewhat unfinished and amateurish, while current therapist feels finished, bloated, and terrible

>>169835751
Military and custom professions.

>constantly interrupting gameplay ruins my immersion

Because managing professions is super immersive in the first place. Also how often are you changing them that it becomes such a problem?

>>169836430
When I play in fullscreen in a dark room, with a comfy tileset and some nice music playing in the background, I get immersed in the game.

When I exit the fullscreen, and the brighness of the other tabs light up the room and blinds me, that immersion is broken.

>hur dur DF is just numbers, u can't get immersed

So is it just me, or will dwarves pretty much be happy no matter what as long as they've got a steady supply of alcohol?

>>169838660
Happy, yes, but they can still become distracted, which will make them less efficient as workers and warriors.

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>>169821523
>Less information
>Imagination filling in all the details, creating a more vivid picture

So, it's, like, drugs and dorf women with beards?
Traditional ASCII confirmed for sex, drugs and rock n' roll.

>>169839462
It's just text versus pictures you damn junkie.

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>>169837034
Hmmm, professions are stored under df/professions apparently, but it probably should have an in-game method to remove them as well.

What world size/history length is best?

>>169837695
But you don't get immersed. You become engaged. They're not synonymous.

>>169842248
This is not nearly as intuitive as therapist...

>>169842248
>Negative stress
How do I do that. For me, I mean.

>>169819496
Assembly is pain and suffering, nothing else.

so... now with 64 bit is it possible to generate larger older world without crashing?

Can some good soul with good processor test this for me?

>>169843649

It does make worldgen go faster and more stably, but it'll still slow way the fuck down after it runs long enough. That point just takes longer to get to.

>>169844251
It's that i've seen lots of people saying that it crashes at 2GB of ram while generating older worlds 3000+ yrs

>>169827817
>Kicked some big glob o' lard down
When you stop being such a little bitch, come visit us goblins, we'll teach you bads

>my favorite legendary miner who was among the first dwarves here got beaten by the captain of the guard, aka the wife of the mayor who's been a fucking pain in my side demanding more and more shit

how 2 construct an "'""""""""accident"""""""""""

>>169844702

3000+ years is gonna fuck you over regardless, except maybe on a pocket world or if you have an extremely powerful computer, but that sort of thing will happen a lot less over normal use than it did before.

>>169844914
put the mayor into his very own military group, and assign nobody else. Don't give him weapons. Next seige, werebeast, FB, or any nasty, just send him out. That's the inelegant way. I guess you could put weapon traps in his bedroom?

>embark on savage expect big shit
>all I get is giant birds and insects

>>169846410
>weapon traps in his bedroom
Dwarfs don't trigger weapon traps, that's the entire point of weapon traps.

>>169847607
my bad. Perhaps spike trap+pressure plate. Or station him in a one-cell room with a door, and menacing spikes linked to a lever, lock the door from the outside and lift the lever until he's dead.

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>>169846749
You must summon them with a ritual sacrifice of one of your dwarfs. Call upon the forces of evil to assault you!

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http://pastebin.com/wr57MeyR
>stand on an object
>aim the cursor somewhere else
>run script and it flings the object that way
>do it several times and it flings lots of them
>move the cursor further to make them go faster
>hop on a minecart
>aim the cursor
>it accelerates the cart
>aim it up over a wall
>do a fucking ollie up onto the wall
>wonder if you can do the multiple projectile trick
>make a big you-splosion
>then the game remembers there is only one real you
>bash into yourself and skid facefirst across the floor
>DAMN YOU OROCHIMARU!

>>169842550
>is a list with numbers designating skill levels and active hintboxes showing the actual experience in said skill as you scroll around
>functions by toggling skills or skill chunks on or off
>can select units by groups or professions or whatnot
>can sort them by name/arrival date/profession/activity/stress level
>can do neat shit like have their job show their age or translated name
>less intuitive than a bunch of different sized colored squares under rows of sideways text on a fucking white background
Please tell me I got trolled here bro.

>>169848058
>deathmen
heh

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I am become death destroyer of worlds

I'm going to fuck this up horribly

>>169848552
>somehow the word Carpenter sideways is harder to understand than just Ca
>using your keyboard to toggle professions on or off is somehow better than using your mouse

No

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childhood is idolizing therapist
being an adult is using manipulator
godhood is the complete control over the self, the mastery of merging your soul with the way of Dwarf, and using v-p-l

>>169842550
Funny, I thought the same thing about therapist vs manipulator, to the point I never really used therapist and stuck with manipulator.

>>169849672
>mouse
Uh...

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>>169850789
Third party programs feel like a hassle, creating a wall between me and the game.
Such is life for a God.

>>169852041
>Stand and delivuh!
If it was simply to reskin, didn't require extra fiddly shit to get it working on linux, didn't ignore the myriad border/color/font/layout rules I use for everything, AND what it didn't couldn't be done with a native part of dfhack, I'm not sure I'd be interested anyways.

I'll jump through hoops to see my fort in 3D and wander around inside via the first person view from AV.

I'll deal with the goddamn crusty and ancient feeling mono.net compat layers from microshit on my system for the control and beautiful worlds that PW allows me to make.

You see stuff about "but I can assign stuff with therapist" or "I can see who is best for certain jobs" and of course "I can check their thoughts with it" is a favorite.

If I really cared enough to go and get whatever bullshit I'd need to install just for therapist, then I care more than enough to just write a script to do the same shit it does.

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>>169852751
I applaud your elferts
you are a role model to all linux users
now get me a beer ya dreg

u sgermans are lcoset to dworfs and we understand than we got it best of all
get me stein
STEN
3d sounds good. look good. feel good. I want 3ds. with 3d I can see my fort as it meant to be seen, liek my brain see it. GIVE ME STEIN

Anyway, I need to get a job, an unproductive dorf man german is the nuhappiest ones. I am unhappy. GIVE ME JOB
I got no car but i will manage. Gonna get another dirnkdrinkdrink to drinkyesha
us germans have to intentionally type worse just to relax sorta. fuck you germany, i got a little french in me this should be easy. I ju;st need to drink more but that's okay

Anyway linux man is the shit I want a Qubes OS man so I can be secure like Hitler was secure in himself. You can only be powerful if you're secure neough just don't listen to those who say otherwise because they don't have the power so they don't know... that's why I play video games, for power ((just kidding it's cause I don't fight bears and build cabinets or boats.. I should become a sailor))

Anyway my computer can't even run dorf fort decently can't even play ss13 fuck this computer can't play minecraft even, after years of saying, "i ain't an autist" but then I go, MODS, they can be cool, but no
I'm just sutpid american. may the wizards bless trump, 12 mroe years.

who /fringe/ here?

I'm gonna start up this mit course for programming basics with python then gonna get python strength with workout then gonna buy python and mod python dorfs and feed python smaller pythons cause strong only survive fuck y9u

>>169853832
What did he mean by this?

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>>169853832
I didn't read anything you said and I don't think I'm missing out on a single thing by not doing so

>>169848552
>>make a big you-splosion
>>then the game remembers there is only one real you
>>bash into yourself and skid facefirst across the floor
damn, I wasn't aware quantum physics got implemented

>>169849631
>step one: walk into tomb
>step two: walk into room with corpses all over the floor
>step three: raise them
>step four: repeat for all rooms
>step five: walk into town with your 300+ army
>step six: ???
>step seven: profit

>>169854353
>step six: stay patient all day, because you're gonna be at 2 fps throughout the whole thing
fixed

>>169854138
>real-world quatum physics is actually just future Toady's way of creating spacetime
>we're just Toady's dwarf fortress last version made at the end of time
>explains the existence of the universe, how and why it works
>this makes Toady God, by accident

is dorf fortress the only game anyone else plays? im trying to convince myself not to buy more oldschool runescape membership by only playing dwarf fortress. its working well so far i mean i dont really need much else

>>169856182
>im trying to convince myself not to buy more oldschool runescape membership by only playing dwarf fortress
I've been down that road, brother.
DF won't work for long, the skinner box is just too strong. Find another hobby to distract yourself.

>>169856182
Almost. I play some C:DDA when I get burnt out on DF. Every now and then I binge on a bethesda game for a few weeks.

how can you increase everybody's discipline?

Do dwarves have bigger or smaller dicks than humans? No homo

>>169854353
Step six is "re-implement the economy."

>>169857092
In DF, there are neither dicks nor vags, no shitting nor pissing. Toady made this choice so as not to have the, uh, challenges that came with it,

>>169857301
are dorfs like orkz then? are they mushroom people? is that why female battledorfs can stab a monster, stop for a moment to spawn a bab, then go back to stabbin?

>>169858005
Because babies are born with beards, I think that dorfs have a symbiotic relationship with their beard fungal parasite, and they've co-evolved to the point of that being how they reproduce.

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>>169858241
I only imagine baby dwarves being like bulbs of garlic growing from female dorf beards and eventually detaching
incredible

>>169854065
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little elf? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Cobalts of Sealing, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret ambushes on dark fortresses, and I have over 300 notable kills. I am trained in war gorilla warfare and I’m the top marksdwarf in the entire ten dwarf militia. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Dimension of Portents, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Liaison? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of kobolds across Ursilivba and your spoor is being tracked right now so you better prepare for the vile force, maggot. The vile force that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my kisat dur. Not only am I legendary +5 in wrestling, but I have access to the entire stockpile of the Stateunites magma forge and I will use it to its full extent to sever your miserable ass in an arc off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

>>169858389
That's a pretty hilarious and rad headcanon. Noice.

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>>169854065
I like your img. saved it. 2 bad about those twoers tho. 2 bad

i should vacuum. fuk but is this shit dirty? but im clean, off the drugs... no herb. So when will the psychadelic mod come out? I want to test my dorf vision, ascii psychadelics will be the shit.

anyone play kobold quest?

>>169854353
>step eight: get killed by your follower when an undead kills a cat
I should've seen it coming.

uhh

are wereanimals contagious? I got a legendary wereass (hehe) that attacked my fort

managed to kill a few citizens before the military got to it

anyway, it's dead now, but a few berserk instances of people turning into wereass have happened

is this a deadly contagion? probably around 5 different instnaces happened

how do i contain this?

>>169859471
you contain it by locking them in a room and killing them all.

>>169859471
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Werebeast

>>169859471
Werebeasts spread werebeastliness via bites. Anyone bit by a werebeast is wereboned.
Contain the spread by doing what >>169859549 said.

>>169859471
Yeah, but it rarely happens to my forts. Werebeasts being the most common creatures, I think I remember only once when I got an infected, and it was pretty easy to deal with even when it turned inside my fort. Nobody else died.

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>>169859549
>
>>169859663
>>169859736
;_;7

Okay. So one of my miners had an accident and lost a leg... Is there anyway I can give him like a peg leg or some shit? Or is this nigga seriously gonna be unable to walk for the rest of his life?

>>169860179
Is his leg gone, or broken, or mangled, or what? If gone, then he can prolly crutchwalk. If mangled/broken, you can splint that shit.

>>169860179
Yes, give him a crutch made in a carpenter. After a while he becomes legendary and will walk without giving a shit. Just build one and make sure your doctor can get to it.

>>169860247
That shit is gone. But he can walk with crutches? Can he still work?

>>169860370
yeah, he'll walk slow with it until he levels up crutch-walking a bit tho

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>>169860370
Question is, can he still do leg day?

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>>169858241
>>169858389
I did some thinking on this idea.

>>169857035
[NATURAL_SKILL:DISCIPLINE:8]

>>169863207
are you recommending setting it to 8? Isn't that a little high?

The ideal would be 1-3 right?

>>169860179
As the other anons said. Crutches will work...


However that being said. Why does this game not have stuff like peg legs? I mean dwarfs are master crafters right? I think it would be bad ass to have some grizzled axe dwarf walking around with a peg leg. Or hook hand or some shit.

>>169863651
A range from 3 to 8 gives good results, but really 1 to 3 won't be easy to tell it did anything, while I've got worlds with 8 and 10 nat discipline races running around in huge bandit armies with weapon lords out the ass and four or five thousand unit sieges on their neighbors.

>>169859736
>>169859471
>>169859549
You don't actually have to kill the wereinfected dwarves; just keep them away from other dwarves during the full moon. I don't know why so many people have so much trouble with that.

>>169863837
okay I'm gonna try it at 5, see what happens.

>>169863887
Because most people have better shit to do than keep a constant eye on the calendar and micromanage what infected dwarves are doing.

>>169864414
Except that they don't have to do that. If you just seal the dwarf away on a permanent or semi-permanent basis you don't have to micromanage at all when you don't feel like it.

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>>169864229
Should be a nice enough balance point.

>>169864741
Sealing away a dwarf is functionally equivalent to killing them in all but a handful of "edge cases" where you wanted an immortal dwarf sealed away for some purpose anyway. It's also typically the first step in actually killing them.

>>169864965
were-dwarves maintain their skills and only drop clothing upon turning (swords, shields, crossbows, and quivers stay equiped)
it's not a bad idea to keep a small were-dwarf military squadron indefinitely training in some bridge sealed box outside your fort

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>generating a new world
>see several cool features that would make great embarks
>most of the way through oregen the game decides this world doesnt fit the parameters and chucks it to start a new one
i really wanted to embark on that volcano that was on a major river, too

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>>169864741

>start adventurer
>they hold weapons in their left hand

getting tired of this shit

so.. how is the learning curve of this game?

I'm trying it out for the first time, but it looks like i'm getting nowhere

>>169867859
Yeah, that one kinda drives me nuts, I'm just ambidextrous enough to be extra aware of the difference in using my right hand more for certain things to where it just feels weird to visualize hitting someone with the left as my main hand.

>>169868519
I have to use multigrasp weapons at this point, otherwise I get the urge to kill off my adventurer and start over.

>>169827905
>waah waah, why don't people make better arguments? it offends me!!!

>>169868460
It's easy unless you're a dumb dumb.
And even then it's just a bit harder.

>>169868771
I like to go hand to hand when that happens.

>>169869565
can you elaborate more on this?

>>169831461
I just picked up Dwarf Fortress a couple of days ago. I've tried it before and the ASCII hell was completely daunting and I couldn't make heads or tails of anything and just gave up (This isn't my usual means of doing things but the ASCII was just too much and I had no idea what was happening). Recently I learned that the game could be played with tilesets and programs that aid in game management, so I grabbed a starter kit and tried once more to play Dwarf Fortress. This time around, I could actually tell what everything was much more clearly (before I gave up on ASCII I did manage to pick up on what a few things were but I was still really clueless). After a few hours of fiddling with the interface (shits not easy when you're used to much more simple menus) I constructed a decent base with workshops, a mine, and even individual bedrooms (though some migrants just arrived and I'll need to make some more beds).

What i'm getting at, is that I don't think I ever would have managed to get into DF if it weren't for a tileset. I DO intend to, after I learn the game a little more and after I finally loose this game (I come from Dark Souls and am quite aware that loosing is fun), try the newest version in it's full ASCII glory to try and learn it. Because I feel like a lot of the underlying DF culture lays in the ASCII wastes and I intend to learn to read this elder script.

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>>169869651
The learning curve is short, unless your analytical thinking skills are subpar at which point learning the game takes slightly longer.
What do you want me to say?
Just dl the game and use the quickstart guide on the wiki and that's it.

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>>169869759
Here ya go.

>>169871218
This will definitely expedite things. Thank you.
>>169868460
Watch Dastactic's tutorial vids. They're how I got started and were a huge help.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGB6RkFB7ZmNbSUujzXbgNjJi_-WHTTTD

>adventurer just lost his teeth

Is there any way to get like fake teeth? Barring that, is there any way to edit my game so I can get my teeth back? This bothers me way more than it should

>>169871807
fullheal I guess? I never used it outside fort mode, but I think it should "grow" teeth back, at least it gets rid of scars iirc

how can I make it so that humans can make steel?

>>169872339
thanks guy

>2 years of fort life with a population of 12
>suddenly migrant wave 22 strong

>>169872539
>going more then the first two seasons without your population exploding
exactly what are you doing in your fort anon

>>169872743
Scrwed around in adventure mode for a few months, meaning when I started the fort it was already in the middle of autumn. This means you gotta wait for spring to restart the cycle before your fort can get migrants. I started expanding in that time, leading to some accidents involving a GCS and some crundles, resulting in a couple of deaths after the first migrant wave, which meant my fort didn't attract any migrants at all next time (I thought the first 2 waves were always hardcoded to have a few? I guess that goes out the window if you fuck up the cycle like I did).

>minotaur
>220,000 cm3

when will they learn?

Is the base version so much harder to start playing in than the "starter pack" if you're a new player, or is it bullshit?

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bugman

>>169874583
More like severed-in-half-by-the-waist-man. You know, because Brunhilda fucking destroyed him?

>>169874502
It's bullshit and outdated.
Download the game from bay12 and use the quickstart guide on the wiki.

>>169874713
what? he was kea'd-in-action.

>>169874881
Yeah that too. Probably one of my favourite fights.

>>169874502
The only thing that's a pain in the ass is managing labors in vanilla with a large fort, especially once you start making dedicated military squads. I have no idea how you'd keep track of everything unless you were taking notes or something. Or, y'know, just use manipulator. I really have no idea why Toady hasn't made a labor management screen for vanilla. It could even be an addendum to the existing work order management screen where you say, "keep 3 dwarves assigned to stonecrafting" or whatever, and the manager takes care of it for you.

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the winner

>>169876157
I'm unsure how to feel with the tourney having an extra story beyond the fights. Like, we don't even know what bax's fucking deal was. Was the neckbeard stuff just an act?

>>169876157
>buckethead bax
*Båx

>>169876863
goblin apologists get out of my thread reeeee

>>169876534
I like to think Efeye's final words were a ruse, and that Bax really was just some gobbo.

>>169877335
What a tweest that would be. Nah but seriously predictions for next tourney? Based on Sten's reappearance, I think it's safe to say that each tourney will have some sort of throwback to the last one.

Annie Mae returns to fight? An Armok blessed Brunhilda returns from the dead? Bax comes back to fuck with more people?

>>169877487
it's up to whoever decides to tourneyanon, I guess.

>>169877843
Can you be tourneyanon and tell me what the story will be?

>>169877886
Båx was actually Armok's only begotten son sent to die to wash away the sins of all gobbos who now can find salvation through their belief in the slaughter in the name of Armok and Båx.

>>169877886
No, I'm too busy that that stuff.

>>169878027
Neat, so he's goblin jesus

>>169878062
sorry :(

>>169878186
>sorry
I am too, but I know if I do I'll just use it as an excuse to procrastinate down the line.

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>>169878186
Oh sorry, I forgot to tell you the biggest twist: Båx is actually Armok's only begotten son (daughter).

Some human-dwarf interspecies lesbian sex would be hot dontcha think

>>169877886
Ecstasy (aka Darks) comes back from the dead at the end of the tournament to challenge the new champion except he's now half demon half angel and is just like the champ but stronger.

>>169878386
hey thats just like an anime haha

>>169878419
haha you're right bruh haha lol XD

>>169878376
not sure if I catch your drift there, mind being a bit clearer?

how kil dorf in this gmae

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>>169878284
is there anyone in this whole fucking tournament who is just a regular, normal, single gendered, non- anime, non-furry, non-depraved warrior??

>>169878639
/dfg/ is just a very progressive general ;)

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>>169878639
No.
We btfo'd the fuck out of the normalfags.

>>169878639
yeah but they all died
duh

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>>169878639
>>169878686

>>169878525
I wanna see a hot human legendary swordswoman finger a hot dwarven barkeep girl to be honest with you

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>>169878454
おまえ わ もう ホモです
You are already homo.

>>169878639
I wasn't a furry, I was a racist joke at the expense of disney and a nudist, but fuck furfags, up against the wall with the vegans I say.

Tried to dig through an aquifer for the first time using the plug cave-in method tonight. Managed to drown both of my miners BUT. IT. WORKED.

Had to ruin and reclaim for new picks though.

>>169879693
>lost two miners
>doesn't matter got stones
>had to reclaim later
>doesn't mattter got stones

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Just had my shortest fortress death yet.

>Mining for ore
>Come across underground cavern
>Turns out to be giant toad social club
>They gobble up my miners quick as a flash then make their way up to the dormitory to eat the 5 other sleeping dwarfs
>mfw this happened all in under two mimutes

>>169849672
But anon, you can use the mouse on manipulator

pocket size world, 5 year history > all

>>169878936
What who did you play? Edim? I don't see it.

>>169878639
Well, there was the taverngoer dwarf, brunhilda, and the armored human

>>169882537
That's pretty cool, I didn't know that.
Still, you can't drag your mouse around, so activating multiple labors for multiple dwarves is a pain in the ass, nor can you toggle labors for an entire group like a migration wave or a squad.

>>169883860
Yep, it's more primitive than DT, but it's what you have to live with if you want to play the latest 64-bit version.

There's a way to play the latest version in 32-bit with DT, though, so if you don't give a shit about 64-bit then you can still use it.

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>>169884230
Works for me.

Is there a DFHack plugin that will instantly finish all digging designations? Like, I can just type in 'instadig' and boop, it's all dug out, nomsaying?

>>169884348
I didn't know it works in Linux. Neat.

>>169884525
look up quickfort

>>169791527
>a asparagus
???
Pretty sure it's supposed to be "an asparagus"

>>169885412
Not an important problem for Toady right now
Expect it fixed in 10-15 years
maybe

>>169885412
wtf I hate df now

>>169885412
toady will better give give a fucking refund now

>>169880997
dude that's fucking brutal, I offer my condolences after I've had a hearty laugh

>>169880997
Shortest fortress death I've ever had was my first game ever. A pack of giant alligators right next to my starting wagon ate everyone the instant I unpaused.

That was the moment I knew DF would be a lifelong addiction.

>>169880997
he he he

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Anyone else make all dwarves rooms at least two stories high and 11x11 so they don't have to feel too claustrophobic?

>>169884525
why not just use fastdwarf? Sure its not instant, but the dwarves dig retarded fast right off the bat. You can get huge underground forts desegnated and constructed in as little as two seasons.

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>>169880997
should have sent the military to help immediately, giant underground toads are no joke

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Fuck these gay artifacts

>>169886840
I didn't have a military at that point, I was specifically searching for ore to make some weapons.

Now I start sweating every time I find an underground cavern.

>>169886861
>Silver splint
How hilarious useless

>>169886861
All but the splint can be placed in the dining hall to be admired by your dwarves. Artifact doors are indestructible and basically a better, instantly locking version of a drawbridge.

It could be much worse.

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>>169886861
a silver thrones not that bad anon

cheer up anon, so long as you want a great artifact there will still be a silver of hope

>>169873264
>when will they learn?
220,000cm3 is literally more than 3 times a humans' height
Maybe you should learn YOUR place, you hornless bitchboi

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>>169880997
>first fort ever
>was following a guide
>managed to chop some wood and stockpile it
>started mining a hill, made a custom stockpile for all my shit inside
>dug out a dining hall one z-level below
>immediately made it a meeting hall
>wanted to convert the down stairway into an up/down stairway
>ended up deleting the down stairway, thought this would let me designate a new one
>it didn't, I didn't know that I could build stairs too
>my dorfs were stranded underground with no way out and no access to supplies or a pick to dig their way out
>they all died of thirst soon after
it was quite a shocking experience for me, seeing their panic and bad thought made me feel possibly the most guilt I've ever felt from a vidya

>>169868460
The UI isn't hard it's just initially intimidating.

People say the game is hard to get into because your first few fortresses will get wrecked pretty soon...as if this is some kind of negative.

The best part of the game is the spontaneous misery lurking around every corner. Even your first fort that starves to death after a sober tantrum spiral is a way more fun experience than most games can offer.

>>169885412
linguistics update when?

>>169887385
cm3 is volume, you nignog
they could be fat as fuck
they could be a rigid string that's higher than the mountains
Or a big ass carpet

They could be anything

>>169868460
try the quickstart guide on the wiki, but no need to follow it religiously. learn from your mistakes and soon you'll be competent enough to not need a guide anymore. you'll probably fuck up your first fort, and that's alright, it's part of the learing process

>>169887385
Three times bigger, not taller

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>Sasquatch rolls into town
>Starts harassing my fisherdwarves
>Send in my militia to take out the creep
>My militia commander who is decked out in plate dodges a bare handed swipe from the already crippled and vomiting sasquatch
>Rolls into river and drowns
>mfw

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>>169880997

>>169890018
Fucking EXACTLY.

I broke through to /r9k/ and initiated the beta uprising.

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>>169880997
I had something like that happen recently
>Lasted about 2 months
>First migrant wave didn't show up at all
>none of my orignal 7 had combat skills
>Suddenly, Necromancer invasion of 11 undead

>>169890182
>not raising the drawbridge

>Dig a little to deep

>hit caves

>wall of the staircase to prevent fun for the moment

>FB arrives, its walled of f think nothing about it.

>Suddenly Dwarfs start dying like fleas

turned out i set the wall in the staircase a bit higher than i though and ended up killing the entire production floor, 50 dead dwarfs and thankfully most of the children

>>169886861
Those are all blacksmith and metalcrafter artifacts. Which means you have a bunch of dwarves with blacksmithing or metalcrafting as their highest moodable skill. Which means it's your own damn fault.

>>169890560
strangemood -skill metalcrafter lmao trolled

>tfw retiring a fortress and sending adventurer after adventurer in to fuck shit up
The Grizzlyman demigod thirsts for the children of Urist!

>>169890560
looks to me like he only has accesss to silver, so it would be kinda weird for him to have a bunch of weapon/armorsmiths

>>169890851
You can do weapons in silver, and for a few it's the optimum vanilla choice. Regardless, it also appears that he put a whole bunch of dwarves to work on the forges making furniture and crafts, maybe even all of them considering that blacksmith and metalcrafter artifacts are all he has. His actions are directly responsible for the artifacts he's gotten.

>>169891316

How do i make slate war hammers?

ive heard its the most terrifying weapon in dwarven arsenal

>>169893582
modding

>>169893661
*cheating

>>169893734
>in a singleplayer game
no one gives a fuck, make war hammers out of plump helmets if you want

>>169893827
cheater
git gud

>>169893827
>replying

Microcline > all other stones

>>169894353
more like micropenis

>>169894353
You spelled "granite" wrong.

>>169894683
I want granitefags to leave.