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http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20581815/heroes-of-the-storm-balance-update-february-27-2017-2-27-2017
Fresh balance patch

>no more Varian stun
>murky,tychus,malf and lucio nerfs
>tass no longer has permanent shield quest

>>169625638
>not updating the patch notes
you DENSE motherfucker
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20581815

PREVIOUS THREAD: >>169434426

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I have trouble expressing how much I like this patch. Finally I might be able to get a game without Varian, and hopefully some more nerfs for Murky will come through later.

>Li-Ming's difficult was changed from Hard to Medium

Huh. I guess having a (very) negative win rate until Masters didn't mean she was difficult.

>>169626124
Li-Ming is actually legitimately difficult to play since the changes.

Diableah when?

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>varian nerfed
It feels lovely.

>>169626124
Li ming is actually hard to play. That's why her win rate is so low in lower leagues.

>>169625783
ok but why nerf tychus?

>>169626351
>>169626262

Yeah, I know. That's why I'm curious as to why it was changed. She's annoying to play against and people complained, I suppose?

>>169626346
is Arms burst spooky enough yet, was just about to hop into Try Mode to see

>>169626469
the pro gaymer e-athletes are picking him all the time

I like removing the stun from Warbringer but isn't it useless now?
>increase the slow on your E by 10%
or
>become invulnerable everytime you use your W
They should make it so that it roots the target, or maybe increase the slow to 99% so you can still use movement abilities

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>>169626124
>>169626262
>>169626351
>>169626516
Wait if we bring back the "Old" Li Ming as in First came out

>>169626814
I would lvl her to 20.

>>169626814
Ess of Johan intensifies

>>169626262
>illidan rated medium
>valeera rated hard
>murky rated hard
>gazlowe rated medium
I think the difficulty ratings are random

>>169627080
illidan and valeera are both hard though

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>>169626942
The Tears that would be shed.

>>169626942
>dodge all her stuff
>get pulled into it by the orb indicator I was outside of

I swear the indicator for the W is significantly smaller than the blast radius, or at least was.

>ming lobs orb
>sidestep
>it hits a minion
>I lose a third of my health

>>169627205
Illidan is rated medium, they are saying murky is harder to play than illidan. Valeera isn't harder to play than illidan either

>>169627261
>Valeera isn't harder to play than illidan either
Debatable

>>169627080
They still rate Tyrande medium instead of hard while still rating Brightwing as hard. Tyrande is probably the hardest support to play well, maybe they think the global on brightwing confuses people though

>>169627579
you have to know positioning to play brightwing

>>169627713
positioning is a shitty reason
you have to know positioning on every character in the game

>>169627713
Same with Tyrande or a short range mage with no escapes like Jaina who is rated easy when you need to flank, Jaina's positioning is a lot harder than Brightwings

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>>169627845
not on abathur

>>169625915
>>tass no longer has permanent shield quest

I always took the storm talent anyway.

That shit was impossible to finish on anything other than like Gardens

>>169627713
The same goes for Tyrande, though, and more than a few other Heroes such as Raynor and Malfurion who are considered to be "easy".

Brightwing even has the little speed up on her baseline E, unless I've lost my mind.

>>169628338
Her blink heal also make positioning a lot easier with her, positioning with BW isn't really a reason for her being harder than other characters

>>169628527
Yeah. I wonder if their reasoning was the global presence and her Q, which...doesn't really matter, honestly. Can it still be instantly point-blanked with self cast?

>>169626116
How bad are they hurting Varian? I really enjoyed him but maybe it's just because I am bad.

>>169628736
They are removing the stun from warbringer, that was pretty much all he was good for

>>169628736
Stun removed from Warbringer at 4, changed to 80 or 85% slow. Buffed his Fury and Arms talents at 10.

And no, he was quite good from what I understand. The point-click E+R was devastating.

>>169628809
>>169628849
I always just took the invulnerable one anyway because I am a scrub, and you can still e + r pretty well it felt like.

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Azmodan is ba-

>>169626469
>why nerf the press (D)elete target hero
I wonder

>>169630142
He is, as a standalone Hero.

I'd like to see him get an actual rework, though. Have always enjoyed him.

>>169630905
Valeera?

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tfw 100 stacks just in time

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>>169631164
>Valeera
>deleting anything but QM shitters and murky

>>169627713
must be more about the team coordination of playing around bw. not that hard to play and there's nothing "very hard" about aba or medivh aside from getting your bunch of retards to wait for the hat to engage or to use portals to kill people, respectively. would be more appropriate to add a note of something like "better with friends!" for these types of characters

>>169625915
>completely shat on Tychus
Well you won't be seeing him in HGC anymore, Blizzard

Except when some memester team takes chogall

Anyone got a link to the discord server?

>>169633126
https://discord.gg/QKZYm

>>169630905
The real problem is the duration talent making it last 10+ seconds, but obviously Blizzard doesn't see it

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Man the Lucio release wasn't even that long ago and I'm already aching for the new content
next patch fucking when

>>169626469
Same reason they nerfed Muradin. He was the most flexible and reliable hero of his division.

Give it a few months and Blizzard will realize how retarded they were and they'll quietly buff him back up to par, along with adjustments/reworks to Raynor, Valla, Zul'jin, Hammer, and possibly AA Falstad.

PTR PATCH

IS HAPPENING

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The problem with nerfing tychus but not touching valla should be apparent. just retarded.
Especially because they buffed his range ages ago by exactly this amount because nothing was playable but shitty Q specs, which wont even work now

>>169634634
No reveal until friday at their tournament

>>169633735
>Lucio
I like to pretend it never happened

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>>169635275
Lucio, coming atchyou :))))

goddamn overwatch cancer

>>169630142
Not impressed desu, get better stats on average on xul

so enlighten me
why would anyone pick tass instead of Zarya?
isn't that protoss shit is a cucked version of the butch?

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Fun and balanced

>>169636228
>whining and retarded
post the rest

>>169630142
show your build

>>169634806
wasnt their reasoning before that he just got shat on by other ranged assassins? now their reasoning is he doesnt get shat on by ranged enough...

>>169636228
you are the only constant bro

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>>169636964

>>169636139
Tass is played differently now, he's not a shield bitch
He has amazing waveclear, amazing teamfight damage and great shields, also low cooldowns with his passive upgrade talent and everlasting archon form
You pick him instead of a DPS

>>169637368
almost the same build i go, i prefer gluttony though, it saved my life a couple of times

Well now there is no reason to take Warbringer. Why didn't they just leave the stun but increase the cooldown? I never understood why that talent made his charge better and gave it a shorter cool down.

>>169639827
All they did was buff the shit out of overpower which is already the biggest reason why Varian is overpowered. Now instead of a stun, as good as it was, every single Varian is going to be invincible for 6 seconds and probably get even more out of it since some characters can't do anything but turn and fight when they're caught out.

>>169639827
The stun was too much CC when coupled with Taunt and other short-cooldown stuns. Varian+Butcher were awesome wombo combos with Warbringer.
I can see why they nerfed it, and the new Warbringer, yeah, is a bit pointless. 10% more slow? Whoohoo.

>>169625915
>Now increases Charge's slow from 75% to 85%, instead of adding a stun

What's the point of ever taking it?

you guys do remember it cuts his gap closer cooldown in half, right? people will probably just pick the w talent now though or not pick varian at all

>>169640424
still reduces the cd

>>169640381
Yeah but the reason why every one took charge over it because it basically kept that still so the only way to stop a taunt was cleanse. Now a lot of people have pretty decent getaways before you taunt.

I honestly think this is going to hurt Varian a lot and I don't know if the buff to his other two ults is going to help.

>>169640971
Yeah, I've done a couple games as Varian since and it is a LOT harder to lock down assassins now. As soon as you charge, they pop their escape move and you're stuck standing there like a doofus

>Varian stun removed
huh, okay
>because it's unfun and not healthy
haha what the fuck

also rip tychus it was fun

how the fuck do you even play against azmodan?
literally his only weakness is pre 10 before he has 25 stacks + black pool
otherwise you get 2 lanes pushed in WHILE he drops hot sticky globes all over your team, critting assassins for half their HP
and in the lategame you literally can't even leave the base because there are minions pushing everywhere
even when behind he just removes entire waves and soaks shittons of xp

cattlepillar was right, that hero is hiddenOP

>Still no change to Murky's health talent
Seriously Blizz?

>>169641819
dont try to 1v1

>>169634634
which version is it at for you

reminder that twin blades of fury is sleeper op, even more so with lucio

>>169642241

laffin @ u

>>169641819
He is strong at pushing lanes but shit in team fights. Just ignore his fat ass and kill the squishies but remember to save something to interrupt the laser and he isn't doing anything

>morons shitfling and whining when we're losing
>don't realize it's because they chose to draft like shit

yeah, because having murky, samuro, and valeera as your first three picks was a wise choice team

>no leoric buffs
>no illidan buffs

really gives the ol noggin a good joggin

>>169642439
>wanting le undying spook skeleton on many valve lawsuits to be viable
>wanting TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN THOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUSAND YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAARS to be viable

shaking my head, to be honest, family

>>169642439
>no vikings buffs
i know right

Why does blizzard consider murky harder to play than Illidan?

>>169642439
Illidan doesn't need buffs, he has his niche as a faggot and he's really fucking good at it.

Leoric absolutely needs an overhaul, though. Holy fuck.

>>169642770
Do they? I thought both heroes were considered "Hard".

>tfw they changed ching ping to medium

>>169642689
>wanting all heroes to be viable

fuck am i thinking man... damn.

>>169642718
they're hard as f*ck to play man

i usually lose when they are on my team or when i play them haha

>>169642869
They changed Illidan to medium, they also change Kael to easy, murky is rated as hard for some reason.

>>169642959
Murky is rated hard because he is a meme hero and was never designatewd to be playable outside of 5 man ivan and igor quickmemes.

>>169643185
Now he is in every game, but there was never anything hard about him

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>>169643364
>your side gets murky
>alright we got this
>murky split pushes all game long

>your side gets varian
>alright we got this
>Fury
people need Thrall release undying against 4 people tier OP to not fuck up.

>>169643364
All the difficulty levels are meant for literal retards. Murky dies really quickly if you are a retard so he is hard to play

suddenly my team is full of dumbass feeders. wtf? what time is it to cause this. literally twin blades of shit and tranquility pickers. of course the varian has the highest death count

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>tfw its not about damn time anymore

>>169641819
only work because no one kills them. it's just brute force numbers taking advantage of a lack of coordination. gaz, naz, and sylvanas have the same tilt.

the reverse are things like tyrande, tracer, and medivh. bad push that needs to kill, force retreats, or dominate objectives quite a lot to make up for that grind. so a bit bad for them when they get a clueless group.

>>169642439
it's a light pro level cancer and new/reworked characters patch but they have pretty low standards anyway. just let the community complaints do all the work because throwing medivh some health after 8 months of being trash in solo queues would be too much.

>>169642770
it's a mystery. maybe one day they will respond on reddit about what they are :thinking:

>fed so much in a single day I went from +20 at 1k masters to -1 in mid diamond

>Get bitched at for not doing a mine build as Abathur instead of my typical 'help pubbies survive' build
Is this really a thing now?

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>>169644557

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>>169644557
>"""ranged""" assassin

>>169644557
Fuck Tychus players, you deserve everything bad.

>>169645245
Fuck Artanis players, desu.

At least Tychus was fun.

>>169645092
>some shitter berates you for picking the correct build
Every time

>>169645245
>x hero should be gutted and rendered useless because of my personal preference

w e w i think you should post on reddit more, after all, its the bronze shitters over there that influence every major shitty patch akin to this one. youd fit right in

Mage meta when

Kinkbug when

>>169646021
Isn't he already meta, though? Just don't pick him into heavy right-click.


>>169645192
oh is that his new attack range
poor fellow

All this stuff is a buff for tracer really

Have fun having this annoying turd in each of your games

>Valeera free week

Time to play Chromie

>>169646209
You're going to trigger /v/ anon!

>>169646195
>tfw I'm an Azmodan Autist
>tfw removing 80% of "Assassins" healthbars
>tfw never in range for them to prett their buttons

>>169646195
That's one of the first things to come to mind, actually.

>varian point-click charge stun is kill

>>169646305
>watching tracer frantically trying to clear the wave of minions eating her keep
kek
I love Azmo. Wish Taste for Blood wasn't such a bitch to stack, or that games went on longer.

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>>169646021
Don't be a noob.

Only I'm allowed to do that!

>tass permanent shield removed
>because faggots couldnt rotate between lanes for orbs for 10min

10/10 im mad
they already made archon way too strong for me to pick it over wall which was entire reason I bought tass to begin with over 2 years ago

>>169646195
More worried about Lucio than Tracer honestly.

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>blizz finally nerf murky and varian
>their big esports event is not going to use this balance patch

Honestly blizzard can't do anything right.

>>169646437
Taste for Blood is absolut dogshit compared to Sieging Wrath.

Believe me, even if you aren't playing with Diamond II trashes that refuse to prep the wave for you, you're still stacking awfully slow.
With Sieging Wrath, you can stack during the pre-10 lane phase by bombing mid lane, and you'll usually have the quest completed by 10 to combo with your black pool for instant waveclear and long range nukes.

>>169637368
That's the build I'd suggest, although the only mandatory talents would be 1, 7, and 10.

>>169646795
Taste for Blood's potential is way better, but you need help stacking from someone like a Johanna to make it really worth it. Otherwise it usually takes too long to reach Sieging Wrath's damage.

>>169645965
>"sleeper op" shitters finally btfo
https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/5wkqgi/the_state_of_ranged_aa_and_tychus_nerfs/

wow this guy might have to think in draft now...really makes me think.

>>169646674
>pros should play a big tournament on a patch they had 1 week to practice on

>>169646920
Honestly, the range you are getting on Sieging Wrath is a big deal as well.
Plus, not being a worthless fuck for the mid-game is pretty important on Azmo.
The level 10 powerspike you get off black pool + stacked Sieging Wrath is huge.

I talked to cattlepillar a fair bit about Azmodan, and even he is saying that Azmo is propably the most underrated hero in the game right now.
Sieging Wrath is bonkers good.

>>169647206
Better than playing on a patch with old Varian and Murky.

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Whats the best role to play to win games in Solo hero league? I've been maining support and i feel helpless about my team doing its respected role.

>>169631135
>a nuking splitpushing assassin guy with a single target DPS
Such a weird guy but I think his deathray looks cool, and so does tossing what looks like the sun at people

>>169647247
I know I have Azmo up to lvl 12 I play him a lot. If you have someone dedicated to helping you stack you out stack Sieging Wrath with Taste for Blood by lvl 10.

You and Johanna just rotate between two lanes and kill a wave with your abilities and stack like crazy. It's really only possible though in Duo and since they kind of destroyed that it's usually better just to stick with Wrath.

>>169647424
Probably Tank/Support, focus on setting up for allies, or saving them when they get caught out.

I'd say Assassins are the best to carry with, but only if you're actually better than those you're playing with/against.

>>169647424
Depends on league
Lower ranks you ideally want to play someone who can push hard like Zagara or Xul
Higher ranks play what you're strongest at or just fill what no one else wants to play

>>169647676
Seconding. Felt almost like cheesing when I started out because of how quickly I climbed without knowledge or mechanics. Clear minions whenever it's (probably) safe then rotate to another lane or look to set up a gank with Bone Prison.

Leave objective at first sign of winning/losing, get back to pushing/clearing safely.

>>169645192
>a fucking minigun
>can't fire halfway across the map
blizzlogic

blizzard apparently broke the battle net client's logging thing
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/bnet/topic/20753321028

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Guess the division

>>169649849
Gold

>>169649189
Mine seems fine, then again I don't have the launcher open longer than I need it

>>169649849
Anywhere from bronze to masters. It's hard to tell the difference between those levels

>>169649849
what on earth happened there, did gaz land a combo

>>169650138
seconding desu, although for me it was below d1/d2

>>169650380
The Gazlowe was basically not even in the game, he was afking merc camps.

Issue was that our Greymane was doing the exact same thing, just 10 times slower.
Their 4 man core just dove me through a wall + fort, so I was gone for 60 seconds. Then they took 3 merc camps on bot and pushed the core after wiping my useless team.

Atleast our GM managed to get the camp before our core blew up.
Guess I should have
>just carried harder

>>169650657
Oh, that's unfortunate. What was the mmr, unless you mentioned and I glazed over.

>>169650380
>d1/d2
Basically the same as low masters now that I think about it.

reminds me that I never tanked an account to bronze to see what it was like

>>169650839
I don't know, haven't been using hotdogs since the owner hyperjewed the site.
Used to be master last season, now I'm hardstuck in Platinum III playing Azmodan only.

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>>169643664
>murky on my team
>spends the entire game in one lane just pushing it nonstop or clears a camp once in a while
>never actually helps people and slime them for easy kills
>level 20 doesn't even pick the retard OP health talent, just picks the unlimited meme murlock ult trait

How to play Gazlowe

>>169651000
Stop playing Azmodan and you'll climb

>>169652268
doesn't matter you're going to lose anyway.

How good is 2600 MMR?

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>>169625915
>reduced amp it up healing
>reduced party mix range bonus without reducing the required time
>boombox still a meme for such a highly mobile character

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>Valla gets reworked
>fans cry and say that she's worse
>2 months pass and everyone agrees that she's way better and more fun to play

>Nazeebo gets reworked
>fans cry and say that he's worse
>2 months pass and it's obvious that he's way better and more fun to play

any fag wanna group up for the mount quest?
shitters allowed, I'm a shitter myself
KH0RNE#2839

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>>169653995
>tfw now I can finally play CS Varian

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>>169653995
Has there been a single shitty rework in retrospect?

I mean, maybe Tychus now with the 3 hardass nerfs he got today

>>169654114
Fuck yeah. I can't wait to dunk people without being told how retarded and useless I am. Plus high king's quest is 120 free damage per swing and you can complete it in half the time it takes for anyone else to get their marksman stacks.

>>169654708
Nova.

>>169654765
No one use HKQ, you're trying to hard anon :)

>>169640424
jesus fuck. Blizzard just looks at what hero is doing well and goes "OH SHIT NERF THIS GUY! TAKE AWAY HIS UTILITY!" and calls that balance.

fucking shit blizzard, it's jus the same shit over again.

>hero is doing well
>nerf the one good thing about that hero
>another new hero starts doing well
>ooohh shiit nerf this guy too!
>ad infinitum

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>>169654842

varian player detected

>>169654828
I don't know the pro strats. Overpower doesn't seem especially useful without taunt forcing you to get hit or the crazy attack speed twin blades gives you. The extra damage on your normal attack doesn't affect your passive anyway. Do you max out lions maw?

>>169655190
I don't even play him that often and I'd love to experiment with his shields, but my point is a larger one. I've seen this trend with so many patches now, all the "fun" things about heroes has been nerfed to oblivion.

>>169654828
Nova was a great rework because people played her less

Decoys doing damage at level 4 was so stupid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ARqpg3uSS4 Fuxck MY life..

>>169654708
Nova, Gazlowe, Butcher is still shit, Arthas is in like the same place he was before his rework. Zagara was good for like a week or something after her rework and then was nerfed into the ground.

>>169655796
>Arthas AMS is still bugged

laffin

>>169655796
the reworks to Nova, Gazlowe, and Butcher were all pretty good because they are a more fun to play. None of them were really viable and they still aren't

Zagara may be the worst though, which is actually pretty good for Blizzard. She was an absolute terror and frustrating to play against before getting hit pretty hard

give me a quick rundown on how to play baleera

>>169647604
>Probably Tank/Support, focus on setting up for allies
Fuck morales though
>playing support is liquid courage, until you stim someone and they use your ult to run away at maximum velocity
>outside of being stimmed they snackbar in and die
it's like they think they've been hexed/silenced
Are there UI changes that make it obviously a buff and not a disable? or are my illidan's just that retarded

>>169656848
Punish divers
Fuck people out of position
Cuck them with a 2.25s silence

>>169656848
suck orc cock
???
profit

Lucio got nerfed already? I got like fucking two games in with him, none of which were HL games.

Fuck this gay earth.

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>>169657723
>you didn't fell for the lucio meme

>>169627080
Ratings are more or less based on how weird the kit is.

>>169656848
Pick Zeratul.

>>169657723

>16.5 heal to 15.5 heal

omg nerfed gg blizz hes dead now wow great job

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>sgt hammer on rotation

>there are people in this thread RIGHT NOW who don't like Warhead Junction

>>169656848
coordinate your CC with someone else = free kill on most of the cast

>>169653995
>2 months pass

That's proof that blizz simply ignored the protests. Both are still shit.

>>169658665
I was trash at him before the nerfs. Whatever. I'll keep playing him, but it seemed a little early for this sort of thing.

Is Illidan the worst hero in the game or am I just playing him wrong? He just feels like enemies can counter him ridiculously easy.

>>169661121
no
probably
true

>>169661121
he's a great pubstomper, a good dueler, easy to use, and really good at going back, and being back in time to finish someone off imo

too bad being a good dueler is not good for the phase of the game where the enemy team rolls as 1

>>169625915
>nerfing lucio
That's just fucking cruel

>>169658665

Lucio balancing ranges from too lighthanded to fair. Him and Malf are going to remain the top two.

Be happy you don't play Tychus.

>>169654708
most have been rather pointless. people just suck off blizzard because their favorite character gets to be strong now. new meta=good job to casual trash.

though murky is pretty shit right now. somehow it seems like they lowered the skill ceiling and rose the floor all at once. went too far and feels really dumb to play.

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>>169653995
>Play Nazebo
>get targeted all the time
>even when there's a tychus in my team wrecking them a new asshole
>even when there's a morales on melee range
>even when there's a sylv destroying their bases
>even when there's a diablo just being himself
>they still choose to target the frail schizophrenic old black man
And I thought it was just that one match but, nope, it happens every single time.

>>169666568
I can kinda understand why they'd get tunnel vision as one properly built can melt heroes with spiders, but use that to your advantage to distract them for your teammates.

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Reminder of reddit karma-whoring sell-out rats: https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/4mh256/theres_a_guy_on_4chan_who_has_accurately_leaked/

https://www.reddit.com/user/SSJ5Gogetenks
>ponyfucker

They are in this thread RIGHT NOW!

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>>169666718
I did, most of those matches I won literally because the other team ignored everything they were doing once I got in their screen, including the map objectives.

>>169666954
Good job then.

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Just got a game of Spider Queen where I got 288 stacks as Nazeebo

>>169666568
I like this build a lot: http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator/nazeebo#oqF-

Thing from the deep is amazing, you get tons of sustain through the blood ritual talent, and you get lots of stacks with the uprooted zombie wall. At level 20 you become insanely strong

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>>169667567
I'm >>169666954 and normally I can't even get to 100 stacks because every time I step outside my base 3 guys try to gank me before dying.

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>>169667839
I'm >>169667806
I used that build

>>169668042
Yeah blood ritual is pretty awesome because it allows you to stay on lanes all the time, but I've found myself forced to take big vodoo to be able to survive the first burst from assassins.

If you aren't being targeted blood ritual is clearly the best choice.

>>169654842
left out a dozen power creep reworks and new characters in between. they don't nerf half as much or half as fast as they should for varieties sake.

>>169657723
remember this isn't a 1v1 game. take it easy and be the follow up finisher because she's not overwhelmingly strong.

only real trick to her is her stealth moves don't require any extended time in stealth. q-d-e is a nice tool to remember. also, try death from above if you want to be a little more illidan like.

>>169661121
he's about taking what you can get so he's not easy without good knowledge and experience. also punishes anyone failing on an objective or core/keep push and that is often about your team timing that out well defensively. nothing you can do if your team wants to turtle or no one is ready to run the other team down.

he's not amazing now but sometimes it's a shitty deal in QM. don't worry so much about a few games.

>>169668335
Yep, it's sad that it's the least chosen talent on that tier.

Superstition is the best talent to avoid burst. If you go thing from the deep at level 1, you can stand back and laugh as most burst damage is ability based and will only do half the damage

>>169654842
>>169640424
CD reduction now makes it strong rather than a no-brainer. Varian now actually has to make decisions on his build again.

>>169668519
Does superstition works on that Zerathul skill, cleave?

>>169637638
>amazing teamfight damage

Archon was bad when it was with %100 extra damage.

It is more like extra %40 bad now.

>>169668867
Does it not do spell damage any more?

>>169668867
It works on everything that isn't an auto attack, so yes, it would reduce the damage on cleave.

If it has a purple number by it, it counts as a spell. Even something like Rag's empower sulfuras counts as a spell, even though it resets his auto attack animation.
This is also why Anub'Arak is so good right now, he has built in 25% reduction on all spells, which gets even higher if you pick dampen magic.

>>169669084
>>169669109
I guess it's simpler to divide between ability damage and normal attack damage but it's still weird to see melee skill use spell damage.

>>169641819
stop playing shitty F tier assasins, such as Valla you will lose %40 hp to one single globe

have at least 1 reliable stun for countering his laser, even if he didn't talented up laser, untalented one can dish out great damage.

On small maps have at least 1 waveclear because azmo will mostly pick up creeps ultimate; leoric, tassadar, sonya etc.

On huge maps use your gap closer abilities carefully cause black pool + sieging wrath is a powerful mid-game ability.

>>169645192
I hope e-autism players will stop picking him otherwise I have feelings of they will reduce his range to melee.

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>Have 4 talent options for Tychus at level 1
>Everyone chooses only talent, the one that makes him resistant every time he dives
>Remove it from the game
>Everyone picks the range increase instead
>Nerf that heavily and make his range pitiful by default

>>169642439
>no Xul buffs

>>169669447
They can't, that overlaps with Reaper as close ranged tankbuster.

>>169669304
Did you just call Valla a shitty assassin? I got news for you bro
>>169642439
Illidan is fine, Leo could use a little more damage on his Q swing

>>169646209
were u just in my HL game picking chromie anyways even though enemy team locked in valeera first and then proceed to repeatedly solo push lanes just to get 1 shotted every time?

>in this episode we will see Malfurion choosing mule over cleanse against varian.

Who is super good Kerrigan player to watch?

>>169671948
All the really good Kerrigan players stopped playing her because she isn't good and if they do play her it's only on Infernal Shrines.

>>169671948
>>169671998
old grubby kerrigan play was so fun and good

Can we veto maps yet?

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So is Twin Blades viable now?

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>New patch
>Tychus has his basic attack ranged decreased
>That's the stuff now heals after the minigun duratation ends
Gez thanks Blizzard

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>Li-Ming counts her kills

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>>169673215
Probably about as viable as it was before, although I don't imagine the change to Warbringer is going to help Twin Blades. Perhaps there'll be some more compensation buffs?

>>169674562
boop

>all these cunts saying illidan is fine

Varian is better in every single way you 'rons

I don't see anyone adding tags here. I'm assuming it's not allowed?

Is SS Sturmfuhrer Nazeebo good on 2 lane maps?

RIP Tychus
RIP my elo

>>169675150
Why wouldn't it be allowed?

>>169675690
>elo
Careful, you're bound to trigger somebody.

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Does Arthus need buffs?
If so where?
If not does Abathur need buffs?

>Lucio is STILL 15k

>>169674142
Fun how in the rhythm now works against it.
Indirect buff to The Bigger They Are, the CD reduction and Master Assassin.

How bad is Li-Ming's archon ability?

>>169675786
Yes. more roots.
Frostmourne Hungers now roots for 1.75 seconds if your target has been slowed for atleast 30%.
Winter Wondercircle gets a talent that increases its range the longer it is active.

>>169676824
Pretty shit compared to every other talent.

>>169676824
its ok if youve just 5 man wiped the enemy team and you are just going to kill the core
otherwise its pretty bad

>buy Tychus' master skin
>they kill him

>>169677113
...who else's did you buy?

>>169677113
>buy Tassadar master skin
>they kill him

>>169677113
>Buy Varian Master skin
>TheyBalance him

>>169677113
>buy Kerrigan master skin
>can't land combo anymore on all that hypermobile heroes

I can't aim for shit. Is it viable to play Azmodan as a split pusher or with a laser build?

>>169677654
NO REEEEEEEEE
THEY KILLED HIM REEEEE
I WANT TO BE ABLE TO POINT AND CLICK CC A NIGGA FOR 8 MINUTES WITH TWO BUTTON PRESSES REEEEEE

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>>169678106

>laser is okay for pushing, good in teamfights
>baseball is awsome for pushing and okayish in teamfights (if you can hit it and hit 2-3 with it)

btw. this one works fairly well. (at 20 you can take the talent depending on the situation. forced is quite nice)

>>169677113
>buy Infested Tychus
>Enjoy Tychus for many moons
>they put him back similar to where he was

Just when he climbed out of the dumpster...

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>>169678362
Just imagine if we had a character that had 3,5 CCs and could CC a whole team until the end of days.

>>169678362
Anon all you have to do is cry on reddit about how the "New" Varian is Unhealthy or Not fun for opponents.

>>169678517
Its ok if he don't deal no damage and need ta aim tha stuff.
Can't whiff a point 'n click skill, bro.

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>most aesthetic moba
>coolest heroes
>worst gameplay with lowest skillcap

Sometimes before I fall asleep I cry a little, and then have dreams of how good and not dead this game could have been.

>>169678365
Thanks for the build anon, trying it right now.

Nice the new patch finally dropped
murkyfags on suicide watch
murky is trash again, thank god

>>169679616
>>worst gameplay with lowest skillcap
>oh noez they made the game actually fun
if you want to play spreadsheets: the game then fuck off back to dota or lol

>>169680184
Love it when shitters always use fun as an excuse. PvE the moba with the blizzdrone community is anything but fun.

>>169676824
>had to take wof for that fucking cow again
>we 20 now
>press the 1 key
>we radar now
>full screen, 10 second cooldown, no mana cost
pretty bad

>inb4 dats broke af
>inb4 shitbird medivh kills himself
>inb4 stealthfags kill themselves
>inb4 wtf i love li ming now

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>>169681945
I really cannot tell what talent you are talking about on 20
>we radar now

>>169682290
who's that guy? looks familiar

>Enemy Team
>Master Valla, Master Artanis, Frog Lucio, Lunar Li-Ming, Christmas Sylvanas
>My Team
>Vanilla Butcher, Black Samuro, Vanilla Diablo / Mura, Vanilla Malfurion, Me


LITERALLY EVERY GAME OF HL I HAVE PLAYED EVER
I DON'T REMEMBER HAVING ANYTHING THAT ISN'T T3/T4 ON MY TEAM WHILE THE ENEMY TEAM PICKS T1 / T2 ONLY

LITERALLY 5,5k MMR IN DOTA 2, DIAMOND II IN LEAGUE; AND HARDSTUCK IN FUCKING PLAT III IN THIS SHIT GAME

>this meme game's community is so small a guy recognizes me from my Hammer plays
>now he's on the enemy team
>enemy bans Hammer
>Tychus is gutted
What's another good hero for free wins?

>>169683151
Mate, I get fucking sub-30s in my games and they are always on my team.

Where all the TLV players at?

>>169682537
Trevor from WKUK

Someone picks Leroic on your team in ranked. Do you go "Ugh" and roll your eyes?

>>169683806
they left early 2016

>>169684014
Not if they have double tanks, all low mobility heroes, Cho'gall or if it's on Garden of Terrors/Dragon Shire.

>tfw Uther used to be my favourite hero back in S1
>tfw easily got to Rank 1 3000+ MMR
>He's unplayable guttertrash now

Send help

how do people unironically pretend that valeera takes any skill or effort to play well

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Name my WD please. I will use the name from season to season for my WD. Obviously it has to be something that won't get banned.

>>169684621
nazeebra

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>>169684446

>>169684621
Valla

>>169684621
Pieceofshit, because that's what WDs are.

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>>169684652

>>169684790
Why are you playing D3? New season isn't starting anytime soon.

>>169684621
Peekaboo

>>169684925
Bored. Want a game I can just drop in and out of and want to play a loot pinata game

How do I get gud with Leoric?

>>169685871
by waiting for his rework

> Large UI overhaul imminent, Indev video sometime this week
Wait what, where has this been stated? Must have missed it

>>169686219
it wasn't (officially)
but if you look at the hero selection screen you'll see that there's no space for a new hero
it has been awhile since the last important update and they said during the blizzcon that there are a bunch of new stuff comine early(ish) so everyone think this week will be the one where they will officially announce something important

but again, nothing official so far (but the new hero next 3rd march)

>>169686383
>new hero next 3rd march
Any details?

What are the best 2-lane heroes available right now?

Please recommend me something that is solid Tier 2 and unlikely to get nerfed any time soon.

>>169676767
I just fear that they will alter in the rhythm, or worst of all remove it.

>tfw want to play joanna but her abilities seem boring as cunt

>>169686801
Yeah she's boring and she does very little damage but damn is she resisting.

>>169631262
>85C

>>169687129
I just want another fun tanky hero besides lerioc, because teammates keep crying he's not t1.

>>169684014
Not really, because I am the one who picks Leoric in ranked play and I be damn sure to put work into him.
>>169685871
By only picking him when you have the right team mates

>>169687168
Try Tyrael

>>169686503
https://hotscenter.pl/aktualnosci/532/heroes-of-the-storm-i-starcraft-ii-na-iem-w-katowicach

>>169687238
>>169686158
THAT'S NOT HELPFUL LEORIC ADVICE

WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO LOWER LUCIO'S PRICE
I WANT TO BUY HIM

>>169687429
Fine then

Always go for a drain hope build, double skeletal swing, entomb, burning rage and spectral leach. In team fights use your ghost walk to go after the support, this will force the support to separate from the rest of the group or the entire enemy team will focus on you making them open to your team.

So play him carefully but risky

>>169686509
what the fuck is a 2-lane hero?
you mean a hero thats good at rotations or what?

>>169657723
>release op hero
>set price at 15k
>nerds shell out the gold
>gets nerfed
>few weeks later that same hero is 10k
Heh at least you didn't spend real money on him, right anon?

>>169687726
A hero that is good on the quick 2-lane maps.

You know, Braxis Holdout, BoE, and Haunted Memes.

>>169687293
I have tyrael, but he's boring as shit, if I don't play the auto attack build.

>>169687785
depends on the specific map and you also didnt mention any classes.
your question is too general to answer.

>>169687915
I just need something to play as filler when I can't lock Azmo, basically.

Since he's bad on 2-lane maps, I'd rather play anything else that's good on those specific kinds of maps.

>these new patch notes
how fucking autistic can you get Blizzard
dammit and i was about to buy varian too he looked so much fun to play as a tank

>>169687774
I didn't. Still though.

I'll get over it. I'm sure he's still good.

>>169680436
... this game is constant teamfights. It isn't PvE at all unless you are playing in the complete dregs.

Can't wait for blizz to remove valeera from the game
fucking cancer hero

>valeera in f2p rotation
>play 3 assasin games quest
Well that lined up nice. What are some good QM Valeera builds?

>>169688083
Varian was downright stupid and everyone should acknowledge that.
His capability to do damage, soak damage AND cc people was off the charts.
As a multiclass hero I believe blizzard meant for him to be doing one thing or the other, not all of the above at once.
Just because you can't stun on e anymore doesn't mean he's bad now, he's just balanced.
it's not autistic to nerf a hero with insane pick rates that's capable of soloing nearly the entire roster regardless of what talents he takes.
Why are you even complaining if you never played him?

>>169687297
Where does it say anything about a new hero? All Google translate gives me is esports cancer.

>>169688684
>can't win by pvping, you always need to do pve objectives

Sure thing shitter.

>>169689284
It's ok that they took away a proper low CD stun from his assassin builds.
But that leaves his tank build at one 1.25s "stun" on a 20 second CD. I don't think I have to tell you that this is a tad too high now that his charge is just a gap closer.
Easily fixed by just lowering the CD to 10 seconds. That leaves him at a 1.25 second targeted "stun" on a 10 second CD with same range as charge, since you'll always use them in combination.

>>169689674
He still has a w talent at that level, which works amazingly well in combination with Overpower.
I'd still take warbringer if you find yourself in a position to be taking Juggernaut and/or CS.

Varian is already a super strong hero and incredibly versatile, tacking a stun onto his e was way more than icing on the cake, it was like getting a whole nother fucking cake.

>>169689529
Ravenloft, Dragon Shrine, Warhead Junction, Braxis Holdout don't have PVE for objective.

But hey, if you enjoy landing for 30 minutes and then claiming it is a PVP game because your carry gets to wipe their team, you have games for you.

>>169689529
>>can't win by pvping
made me go hmmm...

>Miss queue because after 300 seconds I forgot I was even queueing and had to go take a shit
>Have to play 4 quickmeme games now
THANKS A LOT BLIZZARD

How bad is murky now?

>>169689937
I bet you think ADHD is a real disease and not just an excuse for your retarded ways.

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/hotsg/ approved new varian meta

IS LUCIO AT 10K YET

>>169689982
Murky is never bad

>>169689313
It says it right there in the article, even with machine translation.
Go fucking read the thing instead of just skimming over it, you spoonfed retard.

>>169689847
Yeah, the stun was a tad too much. If it had to be, I'd have had the standard charge be on a 6 second CD with the slow, and Warbringer would increase the CD to 10 seconds but give stun instead.
You know, so it's a little trade-off.

I'm fine with it being gone, but Prot Varian having ONLY Taunt, a low range pseudo stun on a 20 second cooldown only at fucking level 10? That's a bit harsh. Tank was busted because you could chain both to a targeted 2.25 second stun on a 20s CD, with one half of it being available pretty much right away again.

I'm no fan of buffing the Taunt length, and he certainly shouldn't get a stun on charge, but lowering the Taunt CD is pretty much necessary or he can't main tank due.
Compare to ETC and Mura, who both have a much lower CD stun that can hit multiple people even.

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>>169690174
>two W talents with no Overpower
>Lion's Maw with Twin blades
Holy fuck where do i start.
Only reason to take Dalaran banner is when you have 2.5-3 strong mages on your team and you constnatly move with them.
If you bother taking that then you should be taking Glory for hella reduced cooldown for extra ganking power.
And if you're doing that then CS is even more the way to go.
Taking Twin Blades without second strike and HKQ is the dumbest fucking thing you can do since that's the only time those abilities shine.

>>169689882
Do you even speak Englush lmao?

Someone post optimal Lerioc talents please.

healing magic......................................
quaint.....................................but useful

>>169690578
Yes.

>>169690421
Calm down, Vladimir. All it says is what you already posted and nothing else.

>>169690665
>Hopelessness
>Willing Vessel
>Ghastly Reach
>Entomb
>Burning Rage
>Renewed Swing
>Spectral Leech

>>169690963
don't miss
http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator/leoric#kgQ2

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>>169690860
>Calm down, Vladimir.
NEVER FORGET

>>169690449
High King's Quest is worth considering on Arms now, the 25% extra damage seriously hurt with that one.
It's straight up 120 extra AA damage on a level 1 talent.

>>169690665
Depends on matchup.
Blizzard has been pretty good with optimizing trees in the past year, the game isn't all about "pick these talents no matter what" for most heroes now.
That being said, I almost always take his quest at and hardened bones at 4.
After that it really is a tossup.
At 7, if their team is slippery then q range is good, if their team is low mobility having extra slow on q is also really good. if you grab a swing talent then getting double swing is best. Only take Ossein if it's qm and you have no healer or you have a solo healer with no burst and you've been getting destroyed so far.
Black march is only for QM, Entomb is too good to ever pass up, unless it's QM and their entire team is highly mobile.
Burning Rage is good for helping clear lanes but if you're taking Renewed swing next talent then there's not much reason to take it past that extra bit of dps, which shouldn't be necessary unless you find yourself alone quite often.
Almost always take Renewed swing at 16, unless you didn't take a swing talent at 7 or somehow you find yourself really needing some extra defense.
Spectral leech if you took swing talents, you'll be getting too many autos in to pass this baby up, also incredibly terrifying if you have a morales on your team.
If you have a hard time actually getting to the enemy before you explode then Hardened Shield.

Leo is an awful solo tank, but excellent in and against multitank comps.
Unlike otehr bruisers, you really depend on your support to get you into fights since you want to save walk for either escaping from a fight or getting out of cc/bodyblock situations.

>>169691138
>>169690963
>ever using willing vessel
It's a miniscule increase in healing on a high CD skill. Why the fuck would you take that over armor on E or Fealty if you badly need lane sustain?

>>169691138
Why not hardened shield, and ghastly reach if you're taking consume vitality, and why not reanimation?

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>tfw free valeera week
>hurrr durr 6 deaths on diablo hurr durr

>>169691706
>adding what amounts to a inb5 HURR U STUPID makes me not stupid because i called it :DDD

Yep.

>>169691706
>16 deaths
Literally how

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>>169691706
>get 5 deaths as Diablo
>instantly up on all but the very last death
>team still blames me for feeding

>>169691706
>one death per minute
How?

>>169691852
awww babby is mad because it typed a post about it and then got burned by the spoiler
ok

>>169691861
>>169691994
Never underestimate blizzdrones.

LUCIO 10K WHEN
REEEE

>>169691706
Post replay, I wanna have a laugh.

>>169691138
http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator/leoric#kbEf
>>169691554
Because the armor is only good for running away while willing vessel can be used for running away and staying in the fight

>>169692064
Tomorrow I guess

>>169692059
I wouldn't even have mentioned it if not for the spoiler.
I simply hate retards that think they shouldn't be called out as retards just because they know they are retarded, it shows a serious lack of awareness in how stupid they are.

>>169692216
Post your rank, cuck.

>>169692123
>memeing rage
>not taking the gotta go fast ghost hand talent
wew

>>169692421
There was a while when I always went with Drain Momentum

But burning rage will fuck over stealth based heroes and it stacks well with Entomb.

>>169690449
varian struggles to stay on target so its either level 1 maw or level 4 warbringer.
you tell

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>>169692515
>But burning rage will fuck over stealth based heroes
omg I never though about it like that

>>169692309
Stop dying so often, then we might take you serious. As it is, it amounts to a silver calling a bronze bad. No shit, but you really should work on yourself more before calling others out.

>>169692626
How do you struggle with a fucking movement speed bonus on your basic attacks? One charge in should be all you need unless they've got mobility skills, then you just run up normally and charge after they've used those.

>>169692626
>struggles to stay on target
You do realize Twin Blades grants passive movement speed.
If you get twin blades you grab it's upgrade at 20, it's more useful to you than pretending to be a tank while avoiding taunt.

>>169693158
Not even him, post rank.

>>169691706
>>169691852
>>169692059
>>169692216
>>169692309
>>169693158
> arguing over a vidya
how old are you people, exactly?

>>169691706
I unironically had the same guy on my team just now. Was on the bottom of everything, and told me to go back to my scoreboard game lol. Should have screencapped lmao, but didn't notice the name.

Hots players are so braindead.

>>169693305
Take a sceenshot from the replay file.