/rlg/ - Roguelike General

Sad, friendless birthday: >>169421613

>>169592470
Whats that thing in the top left

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>>169592763
A freak of nature.

>>169592870
Akshuly, that's not a furry but a mutant

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>>169593013
yeah but only furries enjoy playing DDA.

>>169589729

Casual roguelikes like PCB exists so you can have """""""""fun""""""""" with your 999999 shops, gold, food, teles, bloat, redundancies etc. etc. It's a game made for casuals where you can enjoy being retarded and pretend that you're playing a proper game.

>>169593076
Akshuly, furries no longer enjoy playing DDA.
Nowadays it's slavs and chinks who enjoy DDA.

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>>169593546

quoting the pastebin:

>Do Angband up to Depth 12 for the first two "random" quests

do the quests just consist of killing that unique guy on that floor? do I need to go somewhere to collect a reward?

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Where is the justice in this game? I miss the stairs

>tfw anons upset about goblins is out
R I P

>>169592470

Would have been hilarious if it said REMOVED instead of BANNED

>>169593883

What game is it? Is it a standard roguelike?

>>169596397
its a roguelite
one way heroics

>>169596397

It has everything from the berlin interpretation except ASCII

>>169597173
>unlocks
>item from one game to the nextz

>>169597173
In before mad spergs whining about muh berlin but not offering any alternative except
>it kinda doesn't like, feel the same way as playing rogue

>>169597321

optional and it kills your rating

>>169593852
Yeah, your reward is they are guaranteed to drop at least one ego item that you can use (as in, can physically equip, not that it's always useful).

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>the orb of fire in the mumo poster has been wearing a summer hat all winter

>>169599126
?

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>>169502151
Anyone knows what font is that?

>Wu jian lunge one shots Orbs of fires
I dont think this guy is balanced

>>169595510
Wait, what? Did crawldevs remove goblins?

>>169600709
bloat, they didnt do anything that hobgoblins dont

>>169600709
I was referring to the bday card pic, someone removed one anons pic from there

>>169600938
They are actually gone from trunk too

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>>169601019
Yet another quality addition to one of the dullest roguelikes in the history of roguelikes. Each commit by the Devil's Team and their sycophants from the Tavern as they remove assorted features has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the removal of content, the game's only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of interesting tactical situations, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.

Perhaps the die was cast when Campbell vetoed the idea of Linley developing the game; he made sure the game would never be mistaken for a real roguelike that meant anything to anybody, just ridiculously unprofitable cross-promotion for Tolkien books. DCSS might be anti-fun (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-Nethack roguelike in its refusal of spoilers, Dwarves, and excitement. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to.

>a-at least the older versions were good though
"No!"
The gameplay is dreadful; the game was terrible. As I played, I noticed that every time a developer removed a feature, the dev wrote instead that the feature "was bloat."

I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Campbell's mind is so governed by optimal play and efficiency that he has no other style of developing. Later I read a lavish, loving review of DCSS by the same Edmund McMillen. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are playing DCSS at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to play The Binding of Isaac." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you play DCSS you are, in fact, trained to play The Binding of Isaac.

Does anyone here actually make roguelikes? Or is everyone just a filthy casual?

>>169601019
>They are actually gone from trunk too
Bullshit. They wouldn't remove goblins and hobgoblins, they'd have to remove kobolds and big kobolds too.

>>169593883
It's nice that there's more enemy variety in MC, but holy fuck are some of them unbalanced.

>Sabertooth Tigers
>all the advantages of a tiger
>2x speed
>high damage
>it can now combo attack
>a single hit already usually oneshots lower hp classes

>Crystal Golems
>all the advantages of a golem
>physical resistance
>high health
>it can now cast thunder magic
>it has no cast time unlike every other enemy in the game
>thunder force is the type of magic you get the least defense against
>aoe damage

>both of them are common enemies

Jesus Christ, why?

>>169596397
>>169597040
Mystery Chronicles One Way Heroics.

>>169599126
That's because you haven't won a mumo in winter.
I FALL
I FIST
I FALL AGAIN

>>169601664

I was laughing so hard when I first encountered a Sabertooth tiger doing a Desperate attack to me like some character in a shounen anime. They could even do a triple turn so what if it did that 3 times? It's so broken that even one of them can slaughter you if you're a little underpowered

>>169586373
I don't think anyone does that as a service. Just buy a ?remove curse in 4. Refresh shops by sleeping if they don't have one.

>>169577268
Weight's a huge deal for maulers. I haven't done the math, but I expect you're well better off getting an extra 30 lbs on your weapon compared to almost any possible plusses. Wear them and compare your damage/level change, though.

Talking about Adom,how do you deal with poison in the early game?

>>169604039
talk it out and walk it out.

>>169604039
first aid can help

>>169604039
You can apply first aid skill after taking poison damage, which might get you back a small amount of health. Also you get two prayers for healing assuming you haven't used any yet.

If you're still dying of poison after that, you'll have to drink random potions, I guess. Probably you'll just die.

>>169593852
the reward is a guaranteed-good drop from the quest target (plus some fame i guess)
notably, like from ?acq, the drops will always be something usable for your character
so if you do angband quests as e.g. a ring mimic, you will get a pile of 5 high-level rings to eat every time.

For Crawl is Iron rod better or Rod of Destruction?

>>169597321
it's a shiren/mysterydungeonlike
there are a ton of nip games like that actually

>>169606427
They're great, but I usually just swap them for my hammer when closing in.
Don't forget to throw your clubs and knives while they recharge!

>>169603748
someone tell that anon that he can look at his melee damage on the C screen

>>169606561
So should I buy both of em for my demonspawn berserker?

i thought destruction only came in staff form

>>169606803
Yeah, sure.
Remember to also grab a ring of Ctele and a ring of tele for infinte free teleports.
Also save your recharge scrolls on haste, tele and heal wounds wands!
Watch out for elephant slugs and rolling beetles, though.

>>169607021
and scroll, spell, and equipment/jewelry activation

>>169607021
i wouldn't be surprised if that rod of chaos or whatever it is can destruct

also wand of wonder (or other sources of wonder) can do it, though pretty rare unless you have very high chance virtue IIRC

and I think some demon patrons do it ocassionally

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>>169607225
>tfw you find a daemon weapon with +4 At and activation for destruction
>tfw youre playing a nohands monsterrace

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>>169607528
it is a painful type of feel
good sell value tho

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man I miss having the race/class/title in the status sidebar.
It's not like that area runs out of room even in a minimal permissible size window.

f.r. for one/both of the incestuously cross-pollinated rlg forks

>>169607650
>level 2
>240hp

>>169608192
he was level 23 or something, it's just cut off by the inventory window

>>169607856
Why would you need the game to tell you what class you picked

>>169607061

I still wonder up to this day why they removed boulder beetles. Mental illness should have its limits

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>>169608334
mostly it's nice for sharing one's game in screenshots without having to leave folks in the dark or re-state your setup every time

>>169608340
It's gimmick proved ineffective in actual play

>>169607650
>selling fixedarts
but they need to live forever in the museum

>>169608542

Every monster's gimmick is ineffective in actual play of a player with sufficient knowledge or IQ so I don't see your point.

>>169607528
yeah that calls for the based Armageddon Stone, with its 1000 powerlevel destruction with a timeout of 10 gameturns

>>169608545
oh absolutely, that or reforged, I was talking about selling anon's described +4 attacks A:destruction demon-ego weapon

I mean I do sell fixedarts, but usually only early when the gold boost is a big deal or late when I have a zillion at home and want to gamble potions, reforge, or whatever other gold-heavy task

>>169599642
This. I can't even begin to see if the game is still shit if it isn't nice to look at.

Someone, please, what font is that?

>>169599642
I'm confused by this gif. The vision obstruction only works if @ is one of the pancaked zombies. What's going on there?

>>169611385
RC cars I guess.
@ is the square with two dots.

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are these failrates fixed or am I too stupid / low level for them?

I have a feeling that my 7 INT and 3 WIS don't help with reading scrolls.

>>169612421
I believe they scale with device skill, which should improve with level and I think scales partly with some stat.

>>169611830
Oh. That makes sense. I've never tried RC before, but now I kind of want to.

>>169612421
you are too stupid
failrate for scrolls (as well as staves, wands, rods, and equipment activations) is determined by your device skill, which is based on int plus any bonuses from race/class/personality

in fact character choice makes a huge difference
a lucky mindflayer with 3 int will have better device skill than a mighy barbarian with 18/220

>>169612712
>>169612989
my device is at "excellent", which isn't that high, I suppose. I'm only lvl 30 right now, so I'll hold out on those 50% scrolls.

almost splatted to barney in the arena because he confused and hallucinated me

>>169608542
That's the excuse crawl devs use against everything.

>>169613420
The toxic waste breathers are really annoying without rChaos, but Barney and Gachapin are especially bad in my experience. It does make it quite satisfying if you meet them when you're some flavour of overpowered bullshit and just obliterate them though.

And yeah, excellent is fairly low for some of those scrolls. At 30 you'll probably be running into stat pots a decent amount soon, which should get you to a better place there.

>>169614019

You forgot the "annoying" and "spoilery"

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>>169614387
toxic waste damage is resisted by rPois...are its side effects rChaos resisted? Barney/Gachapin does breathe actual chaos so maybe you're confusing things, but maybe I'm missing something.

Is it normal for Trog to gift Spellbinder?

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>>169592470
HOW the fuck did this guy die?

I suddenly got firestormed and glaciated out of nowhere and thought some new mob got added.

>>169614387
>toxic waste
>rChaos
it checks rPois senpai

>>169615813
Either he faulted oor you should start running away

>>169615813
probably ate a LCS on the chin

>>169614387
shit i always obliterate gachapin when i actually fight him because I avoid him until I actually have double rchaos at which point i'm like 20 levels higher than him

>>169615947
>>169614962
Well, shit. I thought all the stuff with hallucination secondary effects was chaos.

>>169615813

Deep Elves have low HP. One mistake and they're usually goners even with lvl 9s especially in a place where you're not allowed to do convenient translocations

>>169616016
>>169616109
>>169616617
shadow creatures alone should carry him perfectly safe

>>169617618
are you implying that having one good spell makes a player invincible?
there's still a human player behind the wheel and he can still make mistakes
especially when a high-rolling crystal spear could knock off 92% of his maxhp

>>169617618

That's delusional.

>>169593336
this actually makes a lot of sense thanks

>>169619467
Remember, there's no such thing as """""fun""""". It's just a buzzword used by losers and children who can't describe how a game is objectively good or bad.

What's a good life rating to shoot for? Got 110/100 at the moment.

i wish pcb mogaminator could have conditionals based on equipped items
i want to add rules like "if i'm wearing a {good} item, autodestroy everything with less AC. if i'm wearing an ego, autodestroy {good} items from the same slot"

>>169619795
anything over 100 is a-ok. 110 is top tier

>>169619950
Good to know. I don't feel so bad about my unremarkable stat maximums then (either side of 18/100).

Why are XP penalties a thing

>>169621059
To punish you for playing fun race/class combos.

Vampiric brand with duelist is really nice. I expect I'm going to use it as a crutch and die after running into a bunch of liches or wights.

>>169597321
>item from one game to the nextz
iirc nethack has it too

>>169601606
a ton of people who tried making a roguelike but then gave up after a couple days browse this general
I can think of at least five (5) people that posted their roguelike here but then mysteriously stopped posting a few days after

>>169622514
Bloat must be removed

Where is the best branch to go after finishing Vault:5? I also have Abysal rune, Pan maybe?

>>169625190
zot

>>169608542
mumos can effectively (yes effectively) use boulder beetles to kill big dangerous shit

>>169625190
Depends on your setup. Slime is pretty easy if you have rCorr, decent MR (maybe clarity, too), and can handle a few bad mutations.

You might want to clear out the Crypt and Elf for extra XP if you haven't already.

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Ambushes are literally the dumbest thing ever for duelists.

>>169628840
Yeah. Having 100 less AC against everything except your duel target is pretty shitty when you are suddenly surrounded.

>>169628840
i don't play pcb
why is it dumb
just teleport away

>>169629021
Guessing he died in 1-2 turns there.

in general when they don't instakill you ambushes are just a ?tp tax though, yeah

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>>169628840
how do cats even ambush you like that

how do you even duel a cat? they always flee and climb a tree

i recently had my ninja ambushed by a horde of cats but she survived

imagine a ninja sneaking through a forest and suddenly a pack of cats showers on their head

btw, does having a negative ac add damage in pcb?

>>169629410
Probably the same way you duel a fire vortex.

You can actually challenge monsters you can only see via ESP as well. Somehow.

PCB beholders sound like fun. Are they?

>>169630290
nothing in pcb is fun

Is 0.18 the peak of crawl?

>>169631030
it's 0.7 imo

>>169631030
0.10 peak of DCSS

>>169631030
[the version I started with] is the objective peak.

>>169631030
Crawl is the peak of crawl. Stone Soup was a mistake.

rogue was the peak
everything after is worse

>>169631030
0.13 hits the sweet spot for me.

I despise breeders, what's a PCB combo that can genocide them without mercy?

>>169636528
life and rage realms both have access to mass sterilization spells that magically stop everything on the level from breeding
but you get the spells late enough that they're only actually useful vs unmakers
the real secret tech against breeders once they've expanded to a pack of more than 2-5ish is "just walk away"

>>169621550
? No it doesn't. Unless you're counting Ghosts...

>>169637309
obviously he's talking about bones files + ghosts anon...

>>169636949
>"just walk away"
but that's exactly what the breeders want..

is there any heavy AoE class? I've only played tablords thus far and they get completely shit on by most breeders.

>>169629021
Ambushes count as movement -- or at least, sets you to 0 energy and the enemy at 0. So a fast monster, like the cats, get to move 1-2 times before you get to.

In other words, that was likely an instant death. PCB's wilderness is pretty damned stupid.

>>169637443
What silly person.

>>169637481
classes with earlyish access to AOE:
-maulers get splatter at 15
-hex mages get stinking mist at 5 but lmao you're playing a hex mage, that's literally the only good spell in all four books
-psions can have a ball spell from level 1
-chaos and armageddon realms get ball spells at 9, death gets stinking cloud at
3
-bluemage can potentially learn an early breath spell but at low levels they'll have issues with mana and failrates

>>169637532
>PCB's wilderness is pretty damned stupid.
Good thing you can play without it perfectly fine

>>169638282
This will be my next playlist; I finished the one from 4 threads or so ago.

only the tonberry blood-knight is still alive

>>169638282
Splatter is incredibly satisfying.

>>169638641
yeah splatter is fun as fuck

>woah this combo/monster sounds fun
>xp penalty 200000%
yeah fuck this

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Maybe this time.

>>169638837
>muck
>not mumo
enjoy waiting inside the temple for 500k turns for the best gear in the game

>>169636528
play ninja, kill them in their sleep before they even have a chance to breed

>>169638282
can a blue mage learn the breeding spell?

>>169639060
that would be hilarious but no blue mages can't breed

jellies can spawn more friendly jellies though. which is sort of like breeding

Whats a decent game to get into without spoilers?

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>>169638963
Something like that.

>>169639230
all the memelikes
and demon I guess since there aren't really any hidden mechanics

>>169639230
I'm told brogue's good about that. Should probably play it one of these days.

FeAr MiBe GaAs KoCK
crawl devs are considering renaming certain species like kobolds to prevent "dirty" abbreviations

>>169639230
SLEX
>>169639557
Demon feels slightly spoiler-y, as without enemy lure there are some monsters you will just never encounter or know of their existence. knowing the negotiations for certain demons or what to expect during Actaeon-like links is really useful as well

>>169639718
It would be pretty awful if something was mildly rude in a game about wanton slaughter and necromancy.

>>169639718
are they seriously
link

>>169639718
FeAr MiNe HOMo KoCK BaBe

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>You see an Iron Crown of Telepathy [0,+8] {~Tele~pU}.
>You have an Iron Crown of Telepathy [0,+8] {~Tele~pU} (r).
>You were using The Hard Leather Cap of Sam (+1,+1) [2,+7] (+1)
>{SpDx;-St} (r). You are wearing an Iron Crown of Telepathy [0,+8]
>{~Tele~pU} (j).

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Please let me hide in walls again

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Is this what sin feels like

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>>169641040
congrats on your noac

>>169641198
thankfully I was hoarding shields for just such an occasion
also is there a limit to the enchantment spell

>>169641178
>xl 12
>21ac 19ev
oh geez

>>169641392
the limit is +15
unless you're a psion, then the limit is +23
but it has the same diminishing returns on chance-to-actually-+1, so +23ing all your gear will make you want to kill yourself

>>169641492
>so +23ing all your gear will make you want to kill yourself
Sounds like everything else in PCB

>>169640305
l-lewd

*blush*

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>>169641686
>Kobold Chaos Knight

>>169641492
Just make a macro and hold it down, then thousands of enchantments later your gear is maxed.

>>169641556
The autotaunt prompt on kills for duelist is doing this to me a bit. It's very useful if you have a few powerful enemies and really annoying if you're fighting hordes of garbage enemies.

>nexus hound swapped my duelist's dex into my charisma
Just kill me now.

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>these motherfuckers removed Divinations

>>169642337
No, you're too pretty to die.

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in the 3 or so years, this is the farthest i've gotten in DCSS

how the fuck do i git gud

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Stay safe little bird.

>>169642820
Stay safe little bird.

>>169642702
>ring of fire
>ring of ice

hahahahahaha

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>>169642702
have you discovered the "literally walk away" meme

>>169643008
no, what's that
i'm sorry i'm such a fucking scrub

>>169643619
literally just walk away from enemies you can't fight
also if you're playing online post in the thread, someone will probably be willing to watch and tell you what stupid shit you're doing to not do

>>169643619
x e

>>169643619
>see sigmund at the edge of LOS
>walk away, dont fight him
>see a hydra
>walk away
>see a big pack of orcs + priests
>walk away

>>169643852
>>169643941
i thought it was something like that, just wanted to confirm

addendum: the enemies can still follow you
just go to a staircase and go <, only monsters in melee range can follow
then go down one of the other 2 staircases to get back to the level you were on. and celebrate successfully walking away from a badguy

>>169642702
>broad axe as a troll

why? Even for the protection brand, your Claws-3 is WAY better.

Post your skill chart (should be right below that or near the bottom of the character dump). In fact, just paste your whole dump into Pastebin.

>>169644731
im guessing this is another of those "waow a +1 artifact longsword this must be better than my shitty non-artifact 3sword of freezing!" situation
newbies love artifact weapons

>>169644731
i got it as a gift from Trog and I was scared he would be mad if I don't use it :(

4,6 fighting
7,9 axes
1,3 armour
6,5 dodging
7,9 shields
10,6 unarmed combat

Splatted my duelist because I'm a moron who can't recognize that Zhar hits really really hard, and I'd like to take a break with something more straightforward. What's the curbstompiest race for mauler? I've done Poseidon demigod before, but the acid on hit seemed to be kind of wasted on something with so few blows.

>>169631030

0.9.2

>>169645579
android is fun because you can get tons of early levels just from your starting equipment plus thief/warg rewards

but really there are no races with huge special synergies, anything but tonberry can work

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Just Poschengband stuff.

>>169645579
Tonberry is retardedly imbalanced still, as is android

>>169645838
>tonberry mauler
ehehehe

>>169646013
it couldn't be that bad; it builds character anyway

I made a graphics pack for Elona+.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/a1fazzocf6f9np2/

It's for 1.62/Custom, but should work with 1.65 with minimal changes. Includes 8 face1&2.bmp variants, upgraded monster girl character sheet, items, maps, Photoshop files with guides to help with editing, and more. It should be in /jp/'s next "mods" pastebin, if you want to update /rlg/'s link list.

>>169644956
>i got it as a gift from Trog and I was scared he would be mad if I don't use it
>wasting 7.9 XP levels of a -2 Apt

this is massive levels of FAULT, goddamn.

The gods who give gifts don't care if you ignore their crap. As long as you don't do the things they hate and as long as you keep doing their basic piety requirements, they're not going to look negatively at you.

As the Crawl pastebin notes:
1) Specialization of skills is better than generalization of skills. This is 100% true for skills below 15 or so, depending on their use for your setup. Above that level, it's sometimes smarter to pump some leveling into a low skill rather than dump massive amounts of XP to get barely a level in an already-high-level skill.

2) In terms of "when" to skill what, it's usually best to skill your offensive skills first, and then Fighting, then defensive skills.

>>169592470
just came to my mind one rogue-like.
>from years ago
it is platformer, you could use the drops from monster. they would drop their heads you could throw them, slime would drop a slimeball you could throw it and the monster would be locked you could use it to grab to walls.
ty you for help

>>169646870
>platformer
Probably not a roguelike. That said, I have no idea what your game might be.

>>169646870
towerclimb maybe?

>>169646870
spelunky

>>169645579
>bravely treating Zhar it is only a single obscenity

>>169647007
>>169647261
>>169647263
ty. it looked alot like towerclimb but with weapons, sword, arrows. some powers to colect
spelunky. the gameplay was like it

>>169647303
it IS only one
there are two "twin obscenities" (that's why they're called twins!), but the second one isnt in the game

>>169646870
>>169647007
>>169647261
>>169647263
>>169647936
2014
vagante, fuck the game still on pre access

Cogmind Alpha 14 is released. Just sain'

>>169648234
>from years ago
>2014

>>169599642
its not a bad gif

>>169639795

What the fuck is a spoilery supposed to mean? Almost everything in roguelikes are spoilery. How dumb

>>169645838
>>169646013
Ruse successful. I legitimately thought something was broken in my game.

>>169637532
>>169638423
>not abusing the wilderness for speed levelling

>>169649171
some instead choose to disable the "allow friendly monsters" option and then abuse staff of hydra summoning for leveling -- that setting makes it spawn hostile hydras full of xp and gold

>>169648856
Spoilery means things you probably won't be able to find out without someone telling you them or you looking them up online.

>padded armour of elvenkind in bandit quest
>welcome to level 24
Oh yeah, that happens.

>>169625190

Just quaff haste and might for Slime and do the press >, kill dudes, press <, press 5, press > tedium in Tomb what are you being so scared for?

>>169649584
robots > all

>>169649537

>things you probably won't be able to find out

I can never find out the exact damage formula for anything I play and happens without looking it up online

>>169645838
>Tonberry
slow
confusion vuln

Uhhh, why the fuck do friendly summons attack you when you're frozen in ToME? This is the 2nd time I've been killed by my own warhound while frozen.

>>169650114
They're trying to break you out of the ice.

>>169649973
things can have downsides and still be OP anon, as long as the upsides are more significant than the downsides
saying tonberry isn't OP because of that is like playing crawl and saying "actually a demon blade isn't stronger than a shortsword because it has 5 less accuracy"

>>169650394
Oh fuck. I thought you were joking at first but then I checked the log. There goes yet another hour. I swear to god I'll beat this fucking game if it kills me.

What spawns on the surface near mountains, summons piles of Zs, and throws raw Logrus around? I've killed a good few hundred dragons in those tiles and never seen anything that did that.

>>169650983
Lord of Change probably? Bs can spawn in the mountains
some anon posted about running into one earlier

>>169650983
Some smartguy got killed by a lord of change in wilderness just last thread ya goof

>>169650693
tome4?

>>169651418
>>169651398
That was probably it. Seen a few of them by Zul and Dragon's Lair, but never near Volcano where I was. Guess they're just rarer there.

>>169651661
if they can spawn in one level 50 mountain tile they can spawn in any of them

>>169651528
Yeah, ToME4. I've done 5-runes in DCSS, and now I wanna beat this fucking game because someone bought it for me on steam.

>>169649783
Which is why it's honestly a pretty dumb complaint.

>>169651926
>ToME4
>bought

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>>169652767
Yeah, bought. What exactly is the point you're trying to make?

>>169653156
TOME4 is free. You can download it right off the official website.

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>>169653418
but you can also buy it on steam
if you want to throw the author tenbux

>>169653156
>paying money
>for free games
tell your friend they're a fucking casual

>>169653629

these games don't stay free if the creators don't have a way of paying rent / buying food

>>169653743
Yes they do. Once they're out on the internet they're always going to be out there.

>>169652528

Well, this is the main argument for Forms Str and Dex scaling removal.

>>169654348
the real reason is They hate situations that make Chei worshippers swole

just like They hate and anally dpegged hungerless mummy dancing

>>169653629
I actually told my friend thank you, but you tell your friends whatever you want, friendo

>>169654473
everyone knows that the only acceptable way to try to play the game is a a fast and efficient three rune dive, just as They incentivize. Any other kinds of fun are illegal.

>>169654780
koreans love to 15rune apparently
but the english speaking crawl community isnt a real fan of extended

>>169654780

Letting 3 rune shitters and single decimal winrate shitters run the game was a mistake

How is THIS a dev? This is a dev right?

http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/players/neil.html

>>169655392
>Invocations were his highest skill in all three of his wins
For someone with such an abysmal record, I guess he needed a miracle to win.

>>169655354

>but the english speaking crawl community isnt a real fan of extended

Probably because they're bad. For example, elliptic's winrate is pretty misleading since he's so bad and scared that he can only play 1/5 of the game.

Elona is best game. Why aren't there more like it?

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>forasgil in the tengu quest for my duelist
I wish I knew how to compare weapons, though. Doesn't really seem to make much difference no matter what you wield, so long as you're fighting the challenged monster (at the low levels I've made it to, at least).

>>169656748
Eating the corpses of your motorcycle/little girl hybrids for speed boosts is a niche market.

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>>169656894
>I wish I knew how to compare weapons
you mean aside from looking at the "melee damage" section on the character sheet?

although IIRC it doesn't take some of the duelist's damage bonuses into account

>>169657203
Right, that's clearly not your actual damage when dueling if you compare it to monster hp. But I don't know if higher damage there means it's the better weapon, or if dueling damage wants high dice or what.

>>169657009

Eating corpses regardless of being barbaric is a staple in the roguelikes. You could even say that Elona+ is less barbaric than traditional roguelikes because you can cook corpses.

>>169657203
>!Beginner at spears
is that like a pure mage or what? Almost everything gets some spear skill.

>>169657628
That was probably the least niche part, yes.

>>169657910
Duelist only goes to beginner in all hafted and polearm weapons.

there are two things that increase the duelist's damage
first of all you get a bonus to_d based on your dex + level and reduced by the object's weight. this is displayed on the damage screen, so you can see it to compare weapons just fine

second you have a bunch of bonus on-hit effects. hamstringing and stunning blows apply statuses, wounding and *WOUNDING* strikes do huge bonus damage, and "perfect strikes" are just 100% chance to hit

total list of duelist on-hit effects:
-perfect strike: from level 1, 50% chance, perfect accuracy
-"careful aim". from level 10. doesn't print any special message. triggers on every hit and adds 1*your attack's damage on top of the damage you
-hamstring. doesn't work vs uniques. nonuniques save vs dex. just slows the victim
-wounding strike. works vs anything that fails a save vs dex. adds 1/5 of the monster's hp or 1d3*your attack's damage, whichever is lower (stacks additively with careful aim, not multiplicatively).
-stunning blow. from 25. monster must save vs dex or be stunned.
-*WOUNDING* strike. from 40. adds 40% of the monster's hp or 2-10* your attack's damage, whichever is lower. still stacks additively, not multiplicitavely

so from level 10 you are doing double your listed damage on every hit.
at level 40 you can potentially hit for 15x your listed damage if you roll high on everything

>>169658430
oh right I didn't realize you were both duelists

>>169657009
Don't be silly anon. That wouldn't boost your speed. You also don't get any benefit to the corpse from gene engineering them. Don't you pretend with me!

whoops missed some info

>-"careful aim". from level 10. doesn't print any special message. triggers on every hit and adds 1*your attack's damage on top of the damage you
meant to say "on top of the damage you already did"

also more info I missed
hamstring is lvl 15
wounding strike is lvl 20

all this shit is a multiplier on the weapon's total damage after slaying and enchantment bonuses, so basically whatever has the highest listed damage is best
also dex is GOAT stat, it makes all your shit work

>>169658636
>>169658876
so basically duelist is super easy-mode

>>169659498
before "it summon friends"

>>169659498
Note that you only get 1 attack per round. So i dunno if your damage actually beats out the ol' 14-blow-warrior in the end.
But other shit like the stunning and damage reduction vs your duel target probably make up for it.

>>169659498
>Oh, [x class] is so easy and OP
>"then go win with it"
>dies

>>169624542
Roguelikes are bloat.

>>169628840
>felines ambush at clvl 15
how horriffying

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Guess who's not playing a duelist. This guy.

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do the duelist messages look better with fancy colors
i felt like the pure-white messages were too boring but this might be a bit too much

>>169662759
I don't know if it's my monitor or my eyes, but I have a real hard time making out that deep blue.

>>169662242
>SpInDx
Lewd.

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Why doesn't the roguelike community have an enthusiastic fanart scene? How can we encourage this ASAP?

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>>169665768
it's too small
there are probably like 2-3 guys in the thread who have any amount of artistic talent

>>169665768
There are a fair amount of fan made tilesets.

And /rlg/-quality mspaints.

>>169665768
there are tons of font designers out there

>>169657203
Does that take into account the Tonberry's natural weapon damage, or the Ninja's sneak attack bonus?

>>169666221
tonberry racial slaying yes
ninja *stealth* attack, rogue backstab sleeping/fleeing, and the damage/effects of the assassinate dagger, no

>>169592470

>cast inner flame
>cast tuk's dance
>use enemies weapons to blow themselves up

DCSS magic is fun.

>>169667524
Is there a ballpark guideline to those? Are they just crits? Or like, a set %%% of extra damage?

>>169668431
ninja bonuses are a combination bonuses based on a % of your damage and based on the enemy's (max?) hp

>>169668431
https://github.com/poschengband/poschengband/blob/41633e5f704b3f131871e19f2ebc2e7c8630a799/src/cmd1.c

backstab is for ninja/rogue sleeping/fleeing backstab

fuiuchi is for *stealth* ninja attack

other than code, no

>>169592470

>tfw friends just nod and pretend to listen when you tell them about roguelikes
>tfw never met anyone irl who likes them
>tfw no one else enjoys your autistic hobby

>attempt to get into CataclysmDDA
>5 different fighting types that don't seem to have any purpose
>feature freaking everywhere

On the bright side the tile sets aren't so bad.

>>169669342
>So son, what kinda games are you into nowadays?
>It's called poschengband, dad. You play as a little @ symbol and kill monsters for better stuff
>O-okay then, that sounds fun. So you talk to any girls lately?

>>169671161
I guess you could say he's making a noble sacrifice

Hexes and Spriggans are very stupid designwise and should be removed. Recasting ad infinitum until it works against irrelevant popcorn is like the dumbest and most annoying idea ever made for both spells and species.

>be SpEn
>see x<MR2 popcorn
>cast confuse/hibernation 1000 times
>kite
>wow it finally worked haha so amazing
>move to stab
>repeat endless tedium

>see enemy with x>=MR3
>consider committing pooicide but try it anyway xdd
>cast confuse/hibernation 10000 times
>kite
>It doesn't work?! Good thing I can w*lk *w*y, press 5 somewhere and eat one of my 50 loaves of bread while having Slow Metabolism 2 AND another 40% more efficient in food consumption than a speed 10 char lol

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>>169615813

>>169672106
Don't worry, bezotting will fix it.

>>169672383

That won't work since it'll just encourage more luring. You would want to always be in a state where you can handle mobs and kill them ASAP so you would always lure a part of them as little as possible. Annoying tedium is not a part of Crawl's game design.

>>169672279

>RMsl

Good riddance.

>>169671161

I was just joking dad, I'm not that mentally ill yet to play such a game.

>>169671161
>y-yea there's this girl named Amy on this forum that I go on

>>169672576

What the fuck is a tedium supposed to mean when it's inevitably present in every roguelike or else it wouldn't be called a game? How dumb

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Some weapons with the riding tag in PCB give the message that they're not suitable for riding. Is this bug issues at work? I just want to use Werewindle, man.

>>169675027
It's giving that message because you're equipping werewindle, which doesn't have the "riding" flag.
Note that as a cavalry you only ever get a -5 to-hit penalty for using a weapon that's not suitable for riding, so you don't really need to care about it.
Other classes get a minimum of -30, or possibly more depending on their mount and riding skill.

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>>169675625
Same thing happened with chainsword which dropped earlier. Hopefully it's not a big deal later on.

>>169676181
weird
neither of them show up as having Riding on https://nikheizen.github.io/pages/artifacts.html
although they both seem to have it in the actual game

>>169656748

Good games are meant to appear only once in a decade

the only way I can have fun in crawl is to not play for more than a month
then jump right in without spoilering myself with patch notes

I guess I really like the exploration and discovery part of roguelikes, but only in reasonable amount (nethack is shit)

>>169675027
>level 38
>3.48M gold

What char/class combination are you playing?
I'm a human weaponmaster (staves) at 37 with like 600k gold (used 200k on an artifact reforge)

>>169679918
Probably means you're gaining levels faster/more efficiently than him.

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can i imagine tonberry looking like this

>>169683259
I hear some botes are girls now, so yes. Probably.

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>>169684008
>botes

boats? it's how we called boats back then in /wowsg/

I dreamt about statswapping my elementary classmates. send help.

>>169684706
>justhoundthings

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Hi /rlg/. Friend told me to play a Draconian conjurer as apparently they're a decent newbie class for casting. I've been skilling conjurations and spellcasting for Iskenderun's Battlesphere, but I have a question: what's the point of Dazzling spray? Even with the 10% failure rate I'm barely if ever able to blind Orcs, let alone anything close to my level and it doesn't seem worth using on low level stuff since i'm faster off just killing them in melee or throwing magic darts.

>>169685507
spen is a decent newbie caster, or so it was back then

spriggan anything ftw

>>169685594
>SpEn
>caster
Nice meme.

>>169685650
he casts dagger :^)

>>169685650

But it's true. Are you Confused?

>>169685507
Dazzling spray was broken the last time I played with it, but that was a while ago.

>>169684428
>wowsg

I'm from the superior yet dead game Steel Ocean. Check it out if you want less price gouging and arcadey gameplay.

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>>169686921
Poop. Do I basically just spam dart and sphere then? Are no other spells worth using in that book?

>>169687450
Stop avatarfagging, cancer.

>>169687450
kys avatarfag

>>169687450
You're cute, avataranon! Keep being cute!

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>>169687147
i heard steel ocean was teitoku collection though

anyway i currently mostly play shadowverse and sometimes pcb/sil/steamband

>>169685507

>Friend

But I have no friends! H-how could this be??!! So this...is the rumored special snowflake

>>169687450
u r a faggit
>>169689805
u r a faggit 2

>spawn near the center of the city as a really bad day tweaker
>sprint out towards the wilderness, avoid the zombies mostly
>encounter an entire group of survivors, they're all willing to accompany me
>they mow down incoming hordes thanks to lots of gun
>one of the zombies drops a first aid kit
>area is zombie-free enough to allow looting for a while, might outlast the speed addiction
>decide to cure infection
>search inventory for the first aid kit
>search ground for first aid kit
>it's nowhere to be found
Then I woke up. I've never been so mad about having a dream before.

>>169601606

I work on SotW and come by from time to time. Not sure if that counts.

>>169690936
Ever since you added item destruction you have been dead to me.

Also seriously, what on earth was the goal of Thesilia, she acts like a kawaii animu waifu

>>169687450
Broken good. Blind was instant victory, just walk away until it procced the blind status

>>169691393
>item destruction
Only the dead know peace from this evil

>>169691393

Needed a character to provide blank scrolls for trades. Don't read too much into it.

>>169668869
> {
> if (p_ptr->pclass == CLASS_SCOUT)
> base_dam *= 3;
> else
> base_dam *= (3 + (p_ptr->lev / 20));
> }
> else if (fuiuchi)
> {
> base_dam = base_dam*(5+(p_ptr->lev*2/25))/2;
> }
> else if (stab_fleeing)
> {
> base_dam = (3 * base_dam) / 2;
> }

So. Backstab is 300% base damage if you're a scout, 300% + level/20 damage if you're not. (So, 3+50/20 = 550% at level 50)

Fuiuchi is 5 times your base damage, plus double your level divided by 25... all divided by 2. (So at level 1 it's (5+0.04)/2 = 252%, at 50, it's (5+4)/2 = 450%)

Fleeing backstab is 150%.

You actually do better if you're able to get backstabs than Ninja surprise attacks, unless they stack. I wonder how it works with multi blows.

And yes, Draconians turned into Dragons get Ninja bonuses. For those super sneaky Ninja Bronze Dragons.

>>169692048
ok

>>169692225
but it doesn't activate on every strike, does it? when i played ninja some of my attacks were much stronger than other when i hit from the shadow

>>169692548
Not sure. Supposedly there's also a percentage of the enemy's HP added to the equation but I didn't see it.

Ah, there it is. Same file, look for msg_format("You critically injured %s!", m_name_object);

"Critically injured" = 500% damage
Fatally Injured" = 500% to half the monster's max HP"
"Fatal spot" = 100% +1 of the monster's HP

>>169671161
It's my dad's damn fault I play these games in the first place, I caught him playing ULarn when I was 8 and managed to identify it as a game

>literally no reward for hunting down all the uniques before the serpent fight, not even those uniques being incapable of showing up to the fight
But why?

>>169694025
because why would you?
Only an autist would kill all the uniques.

>>169695237
Only autists play PCB with wilderness in the first place

>>169695283
what does that have to do with anything

>>169597325
> yfw according to the berlin int civilization is a roguelike

>forget the laernean hydra swims faster in water
>fault
hold me

how do i decide between a dwhip and an eveningstar

>>169696434
You should theoretically keep both, although I personally would just use the eveningstar.

For enemies with AC less than +++, the demonwhip will probably get the most damage per 3 turns (assuming, of course, that you're at mindelay). For enemies with AC of +++ or higher, the eveningstar will be the only one to even put a dent in the enemy.

>>169696434
how much slaying do you have on you gear
if below 8 then evening

>>169696108
>non modular

>>169696965
Is any """roguelike""" actually a roguelike?
After all, all of them have menus and thus are modal.

>>169697390
pcb has everything on the screen at all times

>>169697776
But it still has an inventory.
Transparent menus are still modes.

>>169697390

Do people still care about that Berlin interpretation shit? That was literally just a bunch of devs in a room deciding for everyone else what a roguelike is.

>>169695283
>with wilderness

But without wilderness you are limited by dungeon bosses. With wilderness you can circumvent them and skip to the mid game (level 30 at most in 2 hours, preferably in 1 hour)

>>169698265
>why would you care about the definition of a roguelike

>humans are the most average
why do roguelikes keep on doing that bullshit

>>169698682
>2 hours
>not 10 minutes
look at this scrub

>>169699330
Because D&D did it and most roguelikes are fantasy and most western fantasy is D&D-based.

It's not all that easy to invent good, original advantages for humans, so most games don't bother.
Age of Wonders has pretty cool humans because they made humans good swimmers (which makes sense considering biggest cities IRL were generally near rivers/seas).

>>169700457
But humans are one of the few mammals that have to learn how to swim instead of being able to do it by instinct

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Which roguelike has a S.T.A.L.K.E.R feel to it?

>>169694025
if you don't kill them the snek can summon them

>>169695283
what about the quests

>>169701015
CDDA

Can fast species just lunge all the time against enemies?

>>169701015
Definitely not CDDA

>>169700762
But it still makes sense considering human build:
>dorfs have dense bodies and relatively short limbs
>elves are too thin, not buoyant enough and could freeze fast in cold water
>orcs are muscular and heavy which makes drowning more likely when trying to swim with no skills or long distance swimming
So it's basically humans and halflings who fit the aquatic races the best.
Humans are often the expansionist race, so conquerors and settlers, while halflings are the happy merchants who haul shit between cities.

>>169701015
Maybe CDDA, but not certainly.

>>169701029
Fame, artifacts, stacking summon pool.
Serpent doesn't summon uniques below certain level, plus can resurrect if none are available. But you could pick off troublesome ones.

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>>169701621
>>169701420
>>169701103

"error while loading shared libraries: libSDL2_mixer-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"

What to do about this bros?

>>169704393
You need a library. Probably didn't install correctly.

>>169704393
Install SDL2 mixer for your distro. It's a common library so unless you have sourcewizard type 2obscure4u distro, it should be in the standard repository.

>dicku MIA again and his FFTA mod is still missing the endgame
>already played through it an embarrassing amount of times
0 ffta
1-3 crawl
4-8 mumo
9 dda

>>169704574
Forever longing for Dicks

>>169683259
no that is a draconian you shitter

>>169706615
>clearly has a body armour slot

>>169692548
if an enemy is a sleep you are guaranteed a "backstab", which does the most damage
the "normal" stab is the fuiuchi, which only has a chance to trigger when you are stealthed, and rolls your stealth vs the enemy's level to see if you actually stab them. so you should re-stealth between each attack
then if you didn't get a fuichi but the enemy is afraid/fleeing you are guaranteed the "stab_fleeing", which does the lest damage of the 3

>>169699330
play sil
humans are the shittiest weakest race, objectively inferior to elvs

>>169706681
play poschengband

>>169706681
Old draconians could wear robes.

>play dungeons of the endless
>get to level 6 or 7 or something
>never enough dust
>hordes of enemies spawn from everywhere any time a new door is opened
>team is completely overwhelmed
>half the enemies ignore the team and just race straight for the crystal
>didn't have enough dust to begin with
>even less every wave
>less dust means more enemies
>more enemies mean less dust
>no exit in sight
Fuck this game.