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I can't believe Thatch is fucking dead...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6iM_xkfb2Q&feature=youtu.be

Sockets REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

So, what team will be using Akainu?
Not sure if I should go the standard sockets or if I should plan for something else.

>>169588959
STR teams
Only.

Read a post in fb page where someone used 25 gems to get a single akainu.

>It's another episode of /opgg/ think LL is bad

I'm never getting tired of this.

>>169588937
good sockets there are autists ITT who will tell you that you need 30/30 bind despair but those sockets are way more versatile

>>169588994
Driven, str, and fighter teams focused against dex.

I have enough 4-5 socket units on driven/fighter teams to cover bind/despair.

>>169589335
Those teams will be generally STR teams even if the lead is class specific or a rainbow.

>>169589482
>>169588937
>Orbs
>On a unit
Nigga even on Sabo orbs won't help you.

>>169589660
>badmouthing Orbs

Do you know who you're replying to?

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So, what does a STR team with Akainu look like?

>>169589845
Yeah I'm talking to the Orbs autist

Does Van Ogre have any use to a SW Ace owner with SW Franky?

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>>169590000

>>169590156
Higher single turn burst, better synergy with Kuzan and also makes Ace good against STR content

>>169590265
So, good pull? Sucks that it's only 1 turn though.

>>169590156
>Van Ogre
[TRIGGERED]

>>169590351
Yeah he is.

>>169589660
yeah he should be going for lvl 5 bind and despair right?
trashcan

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>>169590000
Big damage against DEX?

>Cavendish x2 team isn't 100% because I don't have Ark Maxim
Man this sucks, I finally got some legends but they all need just a few things still out of my grasp to reach max potential. At least there's no rush for akainu.

>>169590537
Better than having random as fuck sockets because you've convinced yourself that 'your teams already have enough Bind/Despair'.

Unless you're a future seer, there's no way you can know what captains and subs you'll need for content and there's no way you can predict the sockets for those teams. Putting Orbs on anything under 5 sockets is just stupid (with some exceptions) and even then DR is the better choice.

>>169590631
You need to use Sunny to clear stage 3 easily

>>169590883
Get hit enough in stage 2 to charge it up then?
Stage 3 is the most difficult part of this damn raid.

What sockets are you getting on Akainu? Standard Bind/Despair/AH?

>>169590996
Bind/CDR/AH

>>169590948
Take a hit from the STR Bazooka guy on stage 1, then stall on him and the lobster. Take 1 hit on stage 2 from a mob in the back, and sunny should be ready for stage 3

>>169590760
your cvaptains almost always have 4-5 sockets and will always have 10 bind/despair
from there every sub with 4-5 sockets will have bind despair
not that hard to figure out how not to over bind and despair

>>169590996
Bind/Despair/AH
most of my STR units have CD

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>>169590265
>no 2 turn burst when that's what makes a SW Ace team so OP

you get around a 500k damage boost, but because it's only a single turn you overall miss out on over a million damage.

Meh

I hate Akainu.

>>169591109
Meet me in the parking lot for your complimentary bj anon, thanks

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>>169591292
And I have neither Van Augur OR SW Franky so SW Ace is dead in my box

It's not fucking fair bros

>>169591391
I can't believe how easy Akainu is with a friend Kuzan.

>>169591292
What part of that sentence made you forget the word Kuzan

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>>169591410
You are welcome

>>169591567
I actually find him easier with a friend Cavendish

>tfw forgot elder seahorse for Akainu and the one on 1st stage doesn't want to drop

T-they drop, right?

>>169591462
Yeah, that shit. But Ace is still great with legend Marco as orb booster.

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>>169591579
>implying I have Kuzan or will ever, ever pull him

Requiring more than 1 legend in a team is a fucking meme.

>>169591292
>Use Whitebeard team with Kizaru + Kaku for two turn burst
>start burst on second turn
>Akainu dies and revives
>Akainu removes all my boosts
>Fail
Why didn't you fucker told me to kill him turn one?!!

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>>169591739
Of course I don't have him either.

>>169591462
>dont have a single shooter orb booster
>have no healer
might as well sell him to the ray shop cant believe ive spent so many gems and never gotten SW franky even back during release complete shit

>>169591701
Really. I tried both and I like Kuzan more.
More damage for the first burst and you still have Doffy and Enel boost for the second burst; and the orbs, 'cause Hina.

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Is meating 4 million XP characters worth it if they're important to your team?

>>169591820
Kuzan friend captain
>Frogposter can't get into friends
Can't make this shit up

Ace with friend kuzan captian van ogre/world replaces zephyr/franky as a higher 2 turn burst.

>>169591974
no you idiot just gem once during the correct color turtle event and youll nearly max out the XP

>>169591974
Yes

>>169591462
Doffy can be used especially if oyu have Kuzan

>>169591974
You get more meats from events that legends you'll ever pull.

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someone convince me gemming for akainu during skillup isnt worth it

i only have like 14 gems but I can get 3 copies a gem

is it roughly enough to make it usable? is akainu even a staple on any team

my head hurts but damn was it worth it for when boa first came out

>>169592787
Akainu is good, but you really should save your gems for Sabo, who is the best raidboss in the entire game. Akainu is only good for STR teams, and there are many other teams that can defeat Sabo without him.

Get a copy and wait for Sabo instead.

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>akainu is supposedly easier than shiki

>>169592787
>can get 3 copies a gem
So you have 180 stamina? Then stop asking question like a newfag.

>>169588937
oh hey it's that guy that kept posting videos called "turd cruise" or something similar

>>169592975
never in my life have i seen this unit used for any colo content every time i watch a youtube video

but his special is still super good and im pretty sure i saw him on a blackbeard team for sabo but who knows

>>169592903
but you can't do sabo without akainu

>>169593170
1/10 shitpost, try again later

>>169592787
ive got 34 and im not
i gotta save for sockets on legends and core units

>log in excited to play
>5 minutes later already out of stamina
>nothing to do for the next 10 hours
I both fucking hate and love this game

So uh using Log Luffy for the first time against Akainu might have been a bit of a mistake. Have absolutely no idea about the Good>Great>Perfect timing and blew it on round 3 and lost.

Should probably practice with this guy before I take him to one of the hardest raids in the game

>>169593291
ive spent the last day running forests try that out its pretty fun

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Can I do Akainu with this team or will I get rekt?

>>169593569
Got autoheal ? If you do, yes.

>>169593348
Welp tried again and stage 3 fucked me up the ass again, underestimated just how much HP the front row units have.

That's 120 stamina I'll never see again.

>>169593674
What's the minimum level of autoheal one would need?

>>169593674
nope I just realized this team won't do it, don't have enough damage to take him out after he revives
fucking LL is so trash

>>169593737
Just use 5+ Luffy with an Aokiji friend

>>169593765
don't listen to him he's retarded autoheal literally doesn't work on this raid

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>>169593881
>a story strawhat is capable of clearing one of the hardest raids available

Never thought I'd see the day.

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>>169593842
What are you talking about ?
This is enough to kill him

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>Akainu down to 21 turns

Low enough? Or should I keep going?

>>169594037
Super Evolution was a mistake

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>>169594082
he has 1408k HP after reviving, and he blows away one unit.

Anyone else experiencing that Stage 3 always swaps the middle left unit? Isn't it supposed to be randomly selected between the two middle units?

>>169593348
>>169593737
>using a trash legend
nice waste of stamina, even if you got to akainu he would've ripped your asshole open dumbass

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>>169593842
Your team actaully works but you can't miss perfect.

Turn 1 burst, and revive kills him with the 2xLL special

I'm farming him with this team, but it's legend heavy (even though Doffy and Boa are both replaceable).

>>169594348

Oh yeah, actually you're right forgot that he blow away one unit >>169594213

>>169594213
Oh right
You'll have to use Inthawk instead of Leo then

So is my nigga Corazon likely to get a 6*+ version or an overhaul like Sengoku now that Shirahoshi invalidates his existence?

>>169594495
>Is able to clear a majority of content
Yeah definitely wont get a 6+ any time soon

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>>169594348
>even though Doffy and Boa are both replaceable
You need three QCK attackers, so Boa is indeed replaceable but Doffy is not because if you take raid doffy you'll need to take another QCK unit but then you won't have enough team space to fit in inthawk. So LL pretty much requires both legendoffy and inthawk to clear this raid and he does it so fucking painfully too.

>mfw I rerolled for this shit legend and now can't clear anything

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>>169594670
There
This clears it
Attack normally the first turn then burst him
You have more than enough damage with 2 LL specials plus the burst
>Actually arguing against Legend Subs when a majority of legends need legend subs to clear hard content, which this is
Shut up Shitposter

>>169594670
>I rerolled for this shit legend
dear god why?
his mechanic is such a pain in the ass to use faced with a choice of rerolling for LL or waiting 400 days to pull a legend im glad i waited

>>169594670
Works fine without both of them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sX-gCeWrsw

Stage 3 is a bit tedious though without Boa though.

>>169594957
Just cleared it with this team but if you don't have Sunny ready for stage 3 it's a fucking cunt depending on enemy cooldowns.

Would not recommend.

>>169594302
As it is showing the animation for the middle left unit close the app, open it back up and it SHOULD pick the middle right unit.

I'm glad TS Luffy is out, It allow me to use Law a bit more effectively.

>>169594302
I've had it happen to both, and I even let them switch my captain again sometimes since both of my middle row units are perfectly fine as captains.

It feels pretty random.

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Well
Akainu's done
Took 20 gems even with 200 stamina. Geez

>>169595309
I knew exactly who this was going to be before I even clicked the thumbnail

>>169595010
LL isn't recommended for anything, there's always better options

>>169595309
charge your phone redditard

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>yfw you will never pull Gladius

>>169594969
it was a year ago, everyone told me LL is the best to get
if it was today obviously I would reroll for Kizaru

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>>169595485
>tfw you did

>>169595527
>got told to reroll for LL way back when
>pulled Kizaru this sugo

Feels pretty fucking good I guess. I think either Fuji or TS Luffy is gonna be my new white whale for ezmoding the entire game.

>>169594957
>Attack normally the first turn then burst him
you what? he hits you for 44k the first turn, how will you survive that retard?

>>169595715
2nd turn.

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>>169595309
>bind despair

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>>169595485
>>169595641
>tfw you did and you hoarded his books for 3 months

Saving books always pays off

>>169595676
>pulled Kizaru this sugo
DELETE THIS

>>169595429
Its charging in the picture isn't it

>>169595883
GUP now has units I don't have...

NANI!?

>>169595883
i had no reason to farm the fortnight i had literally none of the units whos books dropped

>>169595797
?????????????

Bind-Despair-AH are the best sockets on him

fuck this bullshit power creep game it's no longer f2p friendly

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reposting from other threads

------Should you get orb matching or DR on FUJI?------------------------------------------------------
2% MORE matching orbs and 2% LESS bad orbs does not = 2%

its 2% better odds for a matching and 2% better odds for neutral orbs which EQUALS 4% overall better orbs than not having the sockets..


ALSO, for the fuji argument, FUJI has one of the worst captain abilities when not matching which is a 1.5x boost, worse than unevolved HARUTA.

which means, you need to take every little ounce of orb boost that you can get. AKA
orbs > DR on fuji everytime

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>>169595959

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>>169595974
Neither did I, but I knew I'd pull at least one of them on the anni sugo. Those books won't come back for a LONG time. You have 1100 box space for a reason.

>>169595797
Nothing wrong with Bind/Despair
Especially since most Driven and Powerhouse don't have sockets out yet

>>169596064
>2% matching orbs plus 2% less neutral orbs somehow means 4% more better orbs
You somehow didnt pass 1st grade math did you

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Kizaru was a mistake

>>169596064
but that's wrong you retard
stop posting if you don't even understand elementary level math and logic

>>169596064
idk who you are but im glad at least one person in this thread didnt listen to that little peruvian coffee bean farmer who doesnt know simple math

>>169596185
>Full orbs
retard

>>169596231
>all shooter and slasher expect monet
>you only need 1 psy orb on monet

Fuck off shitter and leave this general you fucking sub 300 trash

>>169596175
oh look its another mathematical wiz kid from

>>169596185
Monet wont have an orb

>>169596284
Ah yes, the magically appearing orb. Love it, everytime.

>>169596175

its not 4% more matching orbs, its 4% more FAVORABLE orbs

meaning, 2% better chance for matching
and 2 % better chance for neutral orbs instead of badly matching orbs

Listen, EVEN if you were right, and its only a 2% difference threshold, ITS still better than DR for fuji

>>169596347
>>169596357
monet has shit 900 atk anyway, without an orb on her you do like 1k less damage who cares

>>169596314
Just becuase you think 2% less neutral orbs means you'll magically pull another 2% favorable orbs out of your ass to equal 4% doesn't mean the rest of the world agrees with your misaligned mathematic probability

>>169596175
>>169596203
ive never seen such stupid people in all my life are idiots 17?
youve never voted in your life have you

>>169596385
neutral orbs are not favorable
RCV and TND rates don't change, so it's exactly 2% more matching orbs and less neutral and opposite orbs

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>>169596445

let me spell this out in Elementary school math for you. Since you are so retarded

go ahead and start at -2. Can you do that? thats 2 less than zero

then, go from -2 and count all the way to 2.

go ahead, I'll wait. let me know what number you get (hint, it should be 4)

>>169596445
>neutral orbs appear 2% less of the time
>favourable orbs appear 2% more of the time
>in a DR in denial shits mind this is some how not a 4% difference

Who's better for forests- legend Doffy or raid?

I sure hope we get a Raid Vinsmoke Sanji in the future

I'm sick of having to farm secret characters outside of Halloween to socket him.

>>169596442
1001 actually

>>169596385
>and 2 % better chance for neutral orbs instead of badly matching orbs
>When it reduces the neutral orbs vs doesnt reduce badly matching more than 1%

Orb matching on Fuji is fine. Up to level 2. But wasting 10 socket space is retarded for the marginal increase compared to going for an extra 8% DR

>>169596572
>Somehow 2% less neutrals = more chances for the only orbs Fuji cares about thats RCV/TND/Matching

dumbass

reminder to not reply to shitposters

>>169596589
as a lead or sub? sub legend lead raid

>>169596713
sub

>>169596582
>only Neutral and Favorable orbs exist
>somehow Bad orbs are magically gone

>>169596589
Legend
More guaranteed orbs means orb shitters dont need to cry

>>169596185
>2 delayers
>2 full matching orbs
>1 turn burst
Eh, there has to be a better psy team for him than that, right?

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>>169596660

> more chances for matching


NO you fucking retard,

its 2% BETTER for matching
and 2% LESS for badly matching

4 % DIFFERENCE

>>169596713
don't listen to this idiot you need green doffy's lower CD for forests

Does anyone have the Reddit orb data thread?

>>169596790
>EXCEPT FROM LEVEL 2 TO 3 ORBS THERES 0% DIFFERENCE OF BADLY MATCHING
WOAH CAPITALIZING MY WORDS SOMEHOW MAKES THEM RIGHT ???

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>mfw DRdummies cant add 2 and 2 together

>>169596801
No you don't. Unless you're running shitty slasher team from 2years ago

>>169596912

Who the fuck was talking about level 2-3????

We were saying Orb matching VS DR

You are LITERALLY retarded

>>169596912
Not him, but if I'm only ever going to have lvl 2 of either, why should I pick DR over orbs?

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>>169596923
>mfw Orbshitters care and fight this much over 4%

I fucking hate you morons.
Every fucking time you go and reply to obvious shitposters instead of ignoring, fuck you.

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>Orb shitters would rather waste 10 socket space adding 2% more matching orbs vs 8% more DR

>>169597010
Driven ( Fuji ) teams can easily have both but its a stupid waste of space to use 10 of the slots you have to go full 2% matching orb from 2 to 3

>>169596776
the % of all other orbs stays the same between lvl 2 and lvl 3 orbs on fuji

at lvl 2 matching is 25% and neutral is 47%
at lvl 3 matching is 27% and neutral is 45%
thats means your chance of getting orbs you want goes up 4%
because you are getting 2% less neutral
and 2% more matching

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Started this two weeks ago or so, pic related is my box, what team can I build with this/ should I aim for, every help is appreciated

1/4

>>169597167
pls just download Image Combiner and make it all one picture

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Ok, let's do the math.

Lvl 1 matching orbs (5 points) increases the percentage of getting beneficial matching orbs from 1/7 (14,29%) to roughly 1/6 (16,67%). According to gamewith it's even tremendous 1/5 (20%).

As i have to rely on gamewith regarding lvl 2 and lvl 3 matching orbs i'll take their lvl 1 matching orbs percentage due to consistency.
Lvl 2 matching orbs (10 points) changes the percentage to 22,2%.

Lvl 3 matching orbs (20 points) to 25,0%.

In terms of general benefit all improve the odds of getting matching orbs though lvl 1 has the best numbers as you'll only need 5 points to get 5%+ probability while lvl 2 needs 5 points for 2,2% and lvl 3 even needs 10 points for another 2,8%.

Regarding Fuji those numbers change a bit as rcv and tnd are also beneficial orbs. Assuming the probability increase is equally distributed (which i don't know as a) i haven't done any testing regarding that and b) i haven't found any data to confirm or falsify that). So i assume it's equally distributed. Fuji has a 3/7 (42,85%) without any matching orb socket

For lvl 1 matching orbs we have 100%-20%= 80% left which means both have 13,33% probability therefore beneficial orbs do occur with: (20+13,33*2)%= 46,67%

Lvl 2 matching orbs: 100%-22,2%= 77,8%. So 12,97% for a rcv respectively tnd orb. So (22,2+12,97*2)%= 48,13%

Lvl 3 matching orbs: 100%-25%= 75%. So 12,5% for a rcv respectively tnd orb. So (25+12,5*2)%= 50%

While you increase matching orb percentages overall you'll reduce the probability of getting a tnd or rcv orb. This means that matching orbs for Fuji is not as effective as for other captains (obviously) as he gets less bonuses from it. From lvl 1 to lvl 3 you only gain additional 3,33% instead of the 5% a standard team gains and from 0 to 3 you gain 7,15% while standard captains gain 10,71%.

CHECK FUCKING MATE DR FAGS

>>169597058
I'd rather be pedantic than ignorant.

>>169597097
I'm not fucking putting orbs or DR on my legend Doffy, and I'm not going to waste tomes to socket an RR with anything but clear rate sockets, so I don't think avoiding both is a waste of sockets.

>>169596997
Then where the fuck are you pulling out 2% more matching 2% less badly matching
Autist

>>169597126
No it doesn't you retard
The orbs you want are matching
Neutral orbs go down by 2%, but this doesn't effect badly matching
You're still only 2% increased in the orbs you want = matching ones.

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>>169597167
2/4

>>169597167
Favorite your unit.

>>169597389
read
>>169597232

>>169597126
>thats means your chance of getting orbs you want goes up 4%
the orbs I want are matching
>and 2% more matching
there you go finally you understand

>>169597232
>Uses gamewith as your source
In the trash it goes

>>169597232
I can already tell you're wrong if you think TND orbs appear as much as RCV

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>>169597221
didnt know this exists, thx anon, here is the box

>>169597501

so you are ignoring that if you get 2% more neutral instead of badly, that is actually a good thing too.

Unless.. you prefer badly matching orbs over neutral?

Is it preferable? no, but its still better than nothing, thats where the other 2% everyone is talking about comes from.

also read

>>169597232

>>169597167
>>169597394
go to reddit right fucking now and beg for a kizaru account
yours is trash and you'll hate yourself in a month if you play with this

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There is never a situation where DR is required or needed.

Orbs is a flat boost to rng and is always beneficial.

The only units i unironically have DR meme sockets on are:

whitebeard where it replaces autoheal, but enviromental arguably better if your only legend is WB.

Corazon were it replaced cooldown reduction.

Both of which still have orbs anyways.

>>169597458
Not an argument
The nigga's numbers are all off

>>169597621
Also favourite your units AND crop the photos at the bottom of each row of units that end per page. Trust me we'll all enjoy helping you a lot more because of it in the future.

>>169597583

they have the same rate, go look it up

come back once you realize that you randomly post without confirming your information

>>169597621
I don't mean to shit on your parade anon but you seemed to have started without rerolling and have absolutely no Legends, let alone any good units.

You should really consider going to Reddit to get a free rerolled account with good Legends/units from somebody there and starting again, it won't take you long to catch up at all.

That box is trash.

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>>169597641
>Needs to attach his name to a post so people can act like he's important when he's spouting wrong opinions

I bet you thought AH is useless a year ago
The whole point of DR is the same as AH, it helps stalling. Orbs are an RNG meme that autists like you want badly on inconsistent teams when you can use actually good, clear teams that don't rely on RNG

>>169597641
Elizabello is worth socketing with DR since he is a great RR and only is used in zombie situations.

Also, environmental on WB is the dumbest meme ever. He can already clear Enel on global, and NM Luffy is a joke. Anyone who puts that or resilience is a retard.

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>>169597638
>so you are ignoring that if you get 2% more neutral instead of badly, that is actually a good thing too.
but that doesn't happen, badly stays the same

>>169597621
either wait for next sugo and reroll someone good like Cavendish, Kizaru, TS Luffy (or Akainu if he gets released) or ask for account on various giveaways

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>>169597775
I did, retard
They don't

>>169597920

WB with resilience guy here.
Resilience is actually more valuable than Orb on DR in most case.
You can easily see why if you're not braindead.

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>>169596185

>>169598172
>"I died because Im bad at using my legend but 1% of the time I don't haha get fucked DRfags"

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>>169597957
Wait, wait, what? You have to be kidding.

Are all of you faggots seriously arguing about the difference between level 2 and 3 orbs vs DR?

Just give me an argument on what I should put on Fuji. I have no interest in fucking up any of my other units with either of your shitty sockets.

>>169597641
Selous, I'm so glad you aren't fucking retarded.

lend me like 10 bucks so I can finish my akainu

>>169598172
If you need Resilience to win, you deserve to lose anyway.

>>169598223
>negative DEF
slick

>>169598291
If you need Orb to win, you deserve to lose anyway

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>>169598285
Consider the opinion that Coby, Trebol and Caesar will never be used on another team but Driven, so you can take 3 of their slots and put DR on them, then unfuck your Fuji and put orbs on him and you'll have level 2 orbs AND level 3 DR

Level 2 orbs and Level 3 DR is the dream, level 3 orbs is a fuckall waste.

>>169598340
Orbs are trash, and I know you'll say the exact same thing about DR so I won't bother going there either BUT relying on Resilience is the dumbest fucking shit ever, even having it there 'just incase' means you're a bad player

>>169598172
>no orbs on a unit getting a non-matching shuffle
>dying past the first stage which is also getting fixed
Even if you weren't a retard to begin with, your dumb choices are getting you cucked by 6+.

>>169598340
This is true

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>>169597881
I was pro-auto heal since sockets came out, the only thing i neglected initially was cooldown reduction.

DR is just a redundancy that reduces unit socket flexibility.

>>169598490
How does it reduce socket flexibility when you need so little. Its only 15 slots for a whole extra 10% of DR
Unless you're bad at slot planning then

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DO I HAVE MY FUJI CORRECTLY SOCKETED OR NOT? I'm scared and you guys are confusing me

>>169592787
There's no rush to use him since you won't max him unless you farm hard and get lucky; honestly you should wait for skillup increase since he'll probably be around for that in a month or two if we're lucky
Sabo is probably next and he's one of the most needed things in the game with Memehawk
Akainu is amazing but atm there's more important content that has more useage coming

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>>169598285
yep some anon is either genuinely retarded or just trolling

>>169598257
>>169598291

The idea is not "winning relying on Resilience" retard fuck.
Every one of you, when arguing over Orb and DR says the same fucking shit.
>DR is never useful, because it's not effective enough to make a difference
>Orbs is useless because it's pure RNG and it's only useful vs fodder where orb doesn't really matters

Both of those statement are true. Why the fuck would you get that if it's useless in all situation?
Resilience is pure RNG and you don't rely on it indeed. The thing is, 1 out of x run, you will fucked up somewhere and die miserably. Especially on team like WB that need to stay low HP.
At least, I know that this socket will save me 60 stamina someday. DR would just be a dead socket everytime.

>>169598464
Orb takes the places of AH on WB.

>>169598434
The point of redundancy is that I get to slide other units in. That's something that "Dream Team" fags don't seem to understand. It will be FOREVER before I even get to socket Trebol, and there will be a ton of times he won't even be on my team.

If I swap him out for a unsocketed or even a 3 socket unit and my Caesar and Coby don't have the important ones, then I LOSE one of the only 4 good sockets in the game just to get a marginal upgrade to something I don't need.

It's just not a good argument.

>>169598640
Fuji needs matching orbs to do damage. Unlike Ace, a double 1.5 boost might not be enough for fodder. You want as high odds as you can get to do actual damage.

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>>169597957
So, for Fuji:
Level 0 - 35% Matching
Level 1 - 36% Matching (1% increase)
Level 2 - 38% Matching (3% increase)
Level 3 - 40% Matching (5% increase)
You definitely get less out of it than normal orbs, so I dunno if it's worth it all.

>>169598443
Both are trash and relying on either is dumb as fuck, that argument is going nowhere because everyone is wrong
I would rather have too much bind/despair/ah/cdr socket on my team but at least i could use new RR unit or low socket unit without worrying about my socket because i used worthless socket

>>169598685
>you should wait for skillup increase
It IS skill up increase

>>169598640
Do you have Caesar and Trebol already socketed ? If not, then you have enough time to work around
Fuji can go Bind/despair/orb/cd/heal, then have Coby Caesar Trebol go for DR along with other slots you may need since those 3 are never gonna be on another non-fortnight team.

>>169598764
You can use a friend Legend Doffy ( and you should ) to mitigate that trouble

>>169598715
This is some next level retardation. I'd feel literally ashamed if Resilience saved a run for me, I'd rather not have my confidence cucked by such a demeaning socket.

>>169598857
In all honesty, I've never run legend doffy cap before, but I hate the sound of it. G3 always shakes me up when I needed to clear content with him back in the day, but Doffy straight up makes me nervous I'll fuck up and lose all my damage.

>>169598556

Because DR is shit and if you're barely scraping by needing 10‰ reduction to clear something, you're better off trying a different team set up.

You're more likely too see Resilience sockets save your run from failing than DR.

>>169598715
I never fuck up past the initial fodder stages in any way where I'd be safe using a non-WB team. His only weakness that could be mitigated by resilience is dying before you properly stall for his threshold and that's something they fixed with 6+, in addition to giving him a health boost which makes DR even more valuable.

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This is the best Driven team for rainbow content
>Why does Coby have such random ass sockets
Cause you won't use him for any other team that isn't for Fuji so you optimize him

Caesar can get away with Bind/Despair/Heal and you already have enough CDR from other members, and Trebol is a Driven team member only so its fine if he gets a little weirder sockets

>>169598715
also orb doesnt reduce bad matching orbs
I know everyone is shitting on resilience because "you wouldnt have died if you were gud" but i would rather have a 25% chance of not dying than a 5% chance of getting good orbs on random fodder

>Miss a hit or whatever in the burst turn
>Enemy doesn't die and he uses his special
>Resilence saves me
>Still die because I no longer have any attack buffs
Resilence is fucking retarded, it will actually be useful once every thousand runs of a raid.

>>169598083
BTFO >>169597775

>>169599002
Literally the same argument of Autoheal level 3. Which takes the same ( around that ) amount of socket space.
The point of DR is that you don't need 25 socket space, only 15, and it does as much as 15 socket space should.

>>169599004
What makes you think that DR would be useful on WB+ if it's already useless on HP boosting legend like Ace or Fuji?

>>169599065
This looks like a ton of fun, but I don't have crippling autism. Were you born with yours or is there a way you can develop it?

>>169599079
>Resilence is fucking retarded, it will actually be useful once every thousand runs of a raid.
>Orb is never useful
>DR is never useful

1/1000 > 0

Poison and environmental are better though.

>>169599065
But Trebol can be used on INT and Cerebral teams as well, we does great for Rayray/Momonga teams, bet he'd do well on some Croc teams as well.

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>>169599208
Nigga chill
the 2x Legend Doffy and Fuji already give you level 2 bind, level 2 despair, 15 into CD sockets and 15 into heal.
And if you socket properly, two other members will always give you max heal/bind/despair for general teams, while coby gives you some DR and orbs that is already shit on Fuji.
Its not hard to understand.

>>169599370
Both teams where Robin does way more.
And Shooter teams have Fortnight Boa and SW Ace
Trebol is nice, but Robin beats him 9/10 in knowledge or fighter teams which what Ray and Momonga are.

>>169599302
>Poison and elemental are being mentioned as better than anything
no

>>169599150

Except autoheal is actually far more useful, and DR is a redundancy on autoheal for every team comp except WB.

So it's 15 points that could have been Cdr, bind, despair, or orbs on another team that might be socket starved.

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>Fujitora
Game ruining character

>>169599173
Because Ace and Fuji aren't stalling for a HP Threshold? Taking smaller hits gives you more room for error.

It's kinda like how you can fit more small things in a box than big things. Is that a simple enough analogy for you?

>>169599564
I guess it's better than Resilience or RCV boost on WB, but all 4 of them are worse than Autoheal on him.

>>169599610
Its not redundancy, it adds to the point of autoheal, which is sustain.
And its literally 15 points, just plan your shit and you're fine

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I'll give you the maths for people who are still undecided.
In a normal team, a level 3 of orbs gives you 7% over 18%, that's in essence 40% (7/18) extra amount of matching orbs.
With Fuji, level 3 orbs nets you 5% over his base 35%, which is 14% (5/35).
In conclusion, Fujitora gets one third of the effectiveness from orbs compared to normal characters. Use this information as you want, this post only contains factual information.

>>169599610
The guy who said >>169589482 is now talking about socket redundancy.

Make up your mind Orbcuck

>>169599717
>500hp make a difference when you're threashold is like 10k hp

That's not how it works. You either die because you take way too much damage, or the damage are not high enough to kill you even without DR.

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>>169599895
Fucking rekt

Killer Khaki Crew, you need to finish leveling your level your Doffy man. I really want to use those sockets.

>>169599739
I don't think orbs are useful, but you're really overhyping DR's contribution. Autoheal heals you every turn. DR only heals you every turn you get hit, which is significantly less than every turn, and it can only ever heal for 1,000 if you take a 10k hit, which pretty much never happens.

I'm fine with putting it on my 5 socket characters or not, but you're not making a compelling enough argument of why to care about it. Because there isn't one.

>>169599876
who cares I'll never pull a good legend like fuji anyway I only deserve luccis and rays

>>169597389
nuetral orbs are an orb you dont want on fuji they are basically the same as badly matching
you must not own fuji
and you must be fat as hell to be this dumb

>>169600139
DR also helps when you're against boss nukes and stalling
If you're hit with say, Coliseum Kid's special which does 10k, and you stalled but only have 9.5k health, DR will reduce that by 1k so you can survive.
It gives you something you can plan around, you cant do that with orbs

I wonder if rather than being called Damage Reduction it was called 'Vampirism' or something instead and when you got hit it gave you 10% (at max) HP back the same way autoheal happens at the end of each turn.

So literally nothing changes except you're seeing the health regen after being attacked rather than the game just reducing the damage for you, making Vampirism (DR) much easier to see the return on.

>>169600273
No, they're not
Badly matching reduces you paltry damage output of 2.25x lead to 1.125x, but neutrals at least keep you at 2.25x
This is even more different when using a Doffy/Fuji team, 4.5x vs 2.25x
Neutral orbs aren't the same as bad orbs.

>>169600460
10% of damage received back in HP I mean***

>>169598696
orbs that you want: tnd rcv matching
orbs you dont want: badly matching neutral
matching going up by 2% and neutral going down 2% is a 4% increase in rolling favourable orbs

>>169599876
>In conclusion, Fujitora gets one third of the effectiveness from orbs compared to normal characters
But this is WRONG.
You can't just fucking say this and then ignore the fact that an increase of 40% from a base of 18 is worth less than an increase of 40% from 35% would be.
As you said level 3 normally gives you 7% extra, on Fuji it gives you 5% extra. 5 is 71% of 7 rounded down so Fuji only loses on 30% of the effect, not 66% like you implied.

>>169600580
>orbs you dont want: badly matching
ftfy

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>>169599895

There's a difference in having redundant overlap in useful sockets and wasting sockets on DR which is made redundant by a superior effect which is autoheal.

>just plan your shit and you're fine

If you do that, you find that DR is pointless for all content.

>>169600460
>get hit by an attack dealing 100% of your hp
>die
>doesnt get the shitty heal of vampirism back because dead

awesome idea

>>169600460
The return would be marginal still though. You have to realize that you're arguing over the 5th best socket, and it's the 5th best by several thousand miles.

It's like Bind/AH/Despair/CDR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DR/Orbs

>>169600472
they are on a double fuji team on double fuji ANY unit that doesnt have a matching orb is essentially a dead unit

>>169600636
you dont want neutral orbs on a fuji team you god damn idiot

>>169600776
Fucking this. DR and orbs are so fucking microscopic in general that it's mind blowing that you guys argue which is better.

>>169600612
Why not? If you had 98% matching orbs, and increase it by 99%, it's pretty damn bad and hardly makes a difference.
If you increase from 1% to 2%, you're goddamn doubling the chance of it happening, and it's pretty damn big.

>>169600460
vamperism is usually healing a percentage of the damage you deal, not take

>>169600776
This guy gets it. The odds of either orb or dr making the slightest difference is extremely unlikely.

>>169600989
Because the gains are not diminished by a huge amount like you said, they are diminished by about two sixths only.

>>169600746
>>169600776
All I mean is having DR show what damage it's stopping rather than just adding it to the % reduction when you get it. Maybe a floating brown number above your head.

For example you get hit for 2k, lvl 3 DR reduces it to 1.8k and 200 in brown numbers pops above the health bar.

I'm just trying to make the return feel nicer, letting the player SEE what they are getting for their socket investment. The exact same should happen for Orbs desu, it should have the Orb socket glow with a different outline if it was Orbs socket that gave it that Orb.

That way nobody had to GUESS if it was actually giving you a return or not.

>>169601023
how about masochistic vampirism then
or just masochism

>>169601075
I didn't say anything about it being huge, I just said the gains were diminished to one third of their effectiveness. There was no bias in that post, please get yourself checked.

>>169601091
You're getting nothing either way for your socket investment and that's why it doesn't show anything. You can see your cooldowns going down by 2, your bind and despair being reduced by 3, and healing 1,000 per turn because those are the sockets that actually do stuff.

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>they are still arguing over two luxury sockets

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>>169601362
>tfw I started this meme
Feels fucking good to drive a whole general insane.

DR is kinda like autoheal except way less value

if you take a 5k hit from an enemy with a 2 turn cooldown 3 sockets of DR reduce it by 500 damage
which means 250 damage per turn
whereas 3 sockets of autoheal is already more value than this
and if you have 1 more auto heal socket its literally twice the value even more over time

and in no scenario will you ever find yourself losing a run because you didnt have DR

>>169600580
you'll see 4% more overall matching orbs yes but it's still just a 2% increase to the chance of matching orbs

>>169601701
>DR is kinda like autoheal except way less value

Duh, its 15 slots vs 25. Compare autoheal level 3 to DR and you see the point

>>169601329
Yeah I know but a huge argument against Orbs is never knowing if it's really helping you or not, you're just putting your fate in RNG's hands.

>>169601023
>>169601295
Actually how cool would something like Vampirism be as a socket, maybe a %heal off damage dealt by a unit but as a socket it literally only worked on each unit that had it up to rank (maybe 10 instead of 5?). So if you had a team of 6 but only 2 units had max level Vampirism then only they would get the %heal on their attacks.

Would cause a complete and utter autism shutdown of this thread over its usefulness vs other sockets and who did and didn't have it on their captains.

>>169601582
>no really i was only pretending i didnt know how to add 2+2

>>169601325
But that is wrong you tard and I've already explained it to you
fuck off you retarded animeposter

>>169601764
15 slots of autoheal vs 15 slots of damage reduction and auto heal is still more than twice the value

>>169601821
If you invest 20 sockets into orbs, it might be putting your fate in RNG's hands, with 10 it's just a meh statement that you might occasionally prefer to have another orb than heal an extra 500hp total over the course of a run.

>>169601957
Yet combine the two and they are like spaghetti and meatballs. DR and Autoheal are best fucking bros and go hand in hand in their utility.

Orbs just plain and simple sucks RNG's dick and hopes for the best.

>>169601754
right but no one is saying it isnt a 2% increase in matching we already know that
the argument is that the jump from lvl2 orbs to 3lvl is a 4% increase in favourable slots because thats what the data says it is and some retard cant understand this

>>169601957
>Reduces a 10k hit by 1k vs a 300 heal that requires you be at any value not 100% health

>>169602087
>the argument is that the jump from lvl2 orbs to 3lvl is a 4% increase in favourable slots because thats what the data says it is and some retard cant understand this

But its a 2% increase.

>>169601954
You didn't explain nothing at all, I told you why percetange increases depends on the base percentage, you're taking into account as if they were both starting from 0%, but they're not, Fuji has way more chance of matching orbs starting so anything added unto that is less effective than it would be on a normal team.

>>169601764
Autoheal lvl 2 is more valuable than DR lvl 3. Most content has 10+ free stall turns in which DR does literally nothing. Don't come back about orbs doing nothing, because I don't give a shit. You're the one with the bright idea to compare it to Autoheal.

>>169602091
anything that hits you for 10k has a 3 to 4 turn cooldown in the stalling stage

add to the fact you are only reducing damage when you are taking it where as autoheal is active every single turn

>>169602224
>10, when teams like driven and slashers need 17-19 so you'll be hit at least twice/three times

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>>169602276
>anything that hits you for 10k has a 3 to 4 turn cooldown in the stalling stage

YWB

>>169602157
a 2% increase in matching and a 2% decrease in neutral is a 4% favourable increase im surprised you managed to solve the captcha and make this stupid post honestly

>>169602325
sorry, just pulled him so he is too shitty

>>169602430
>bad orbs dont exist

>>169602379
>boss stage
you are an idiot
since when did people need lvl 15 DR to beat young whitebeard? news to me

>>169602486
they do but their % is unaffected just like tnd and rcv

>>169602585
Well look at the teams that can't beat YWB and we can see what teams can use DR to stall and beat it

Akainu couldn't even beat Enel without Map resistance sockets

>>169602430
mate matching orbs jump from 23% to 25% which is a 8,6% increase
it's not 4

>>169601821
Well it would definatley be better than RCV up because you would consistantly be able to control the damage dealt and how often it occurred, and it wouldn't be P/Gr/G/M relent. However if you're stalling you most likely won't be doing much damage and therefor won't get a good % healing back.
I've taken the liberty of bringing up this team to represent an average amount of damage doable with and without a couple of good orbs (if too many matching orbs, you probably wouldn't be doing that much damage because you might not be able to get all your hits in). Using this kind of team as a model may represent what ratio they would set up for how much damage/heal you get. If max level autoheal lets you heal 1000 hp/turn, then maybe 1/200 hp/dmg would seem viable on a regular turn ( meaning you have to do 200 damage to heal 1 hp, 20.000 to heal 100hp, or 200,000 to heal 1k hp). Now this is completely ballpark, and I don't expect my design to be the design of Bamco's. I will say this though, You'd only capitolize on turns of heavy damage, and therefor won't really get much use out of it stalling on mid stages. Caps with no burst like G3/LL/Ray would make great use of this, and it would be king for forest clearing.

>>169602806
what team can only beat YWB with DR and cant beat it without?

show me

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>>169603065
Look at my comment
I said we look at the teams that can't do it and we see if it'll work with DR
DR requires planning

>>169602871
ok ignore the team because I don't know why I set the unevolved captain.

>>169602871
>unevolved Ace
I'm not even going to read your post since you obviously have no idea what you're talking about

>>169603429
nice, thanks for reading 1 post above yours

>>169603317
Not him, but I am genuinely curious if there are any. I know Fuji teams flawless victory YWB so it's obviously not them.

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>>169604183
XDDD saved@!

>>169604183
I can make up strawman images too, but I'd rather not waste my time and effort that will yield me nothing in return, just like DR.

>>169604183
Its funny because this is the argument
>Orbs is easy to put on any team
>DR is too hard to plan for

>>169603956
Do you have thiccshigi?

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>>169604183
tfw to intelligent for orbs

>>169604387
You're talking about wasting your time in an iranian carpet-weaving forum while talking about a mobile game about collecting pixels and tapping pirates.

>>169605043
touche

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>Bamco devaluing my Towel Nami by giving her out for free
Why they know damn well they aren't gonna offer every unit they make plus forms for free

Reminder to filter the words orbs and dr when used in the same post to save yourself from these autists. It doesnt matter for us promising rookies.

>>169605157
>Everyone picked Towel Nami
>Ace and Shanks end up getting amazing + forms that put hers to shame
>Everyone actually got cucked
I swear if they do this...

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>>169605256

>Not using 24 rcv boost

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>>169605289
I feel like everyone has an Ace or a Shanks but many people still don't have a Towel Nami

>>169605724
I didn't have any of them, but for Qck I had Enel and Marco while on Psy I had Sengoku and Log Bon-chan, so I needed an Int leader.

>>169605289
No matter how much they buff either of those I have better QCK and PSY captains

>>169605157
What do you mean? The new Tea Time Nami? She doesn't have the CA oof TNami though, which was great back in the day for INT teams. Do we have a f2p INT character with a CA like that?

>>169605289
>global will know ahead of time
thanks for beta testinc japcucks

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Feels good using new units. Dealing over 5m damage caught me off guard. It's pretty consistent stalling for Inthawk's special even at sp lvl. 1.

>>169606238
No, on japan they literally gave away Towel Nami in the mail
Everyone had a choice between Shanks, Ace and Nami
and 5 gems

>>169606497
oh shit, no kidding? Funny, they replaced Robin from that batch with Nami. She's too good to give away

>Tfw own all 3 of them.
>Mfw all 3 plus evolutions are godly.

Yeee.

>>169606695
I mean, if you think about it, Enel is a better Ace, Story Aokiji is a better Shanks and Magellan is a better Nami
They're giving away RR's that are WORSE than the ftp options.

>>169606695
What? No. Robin was a Baroque Works unit and Nami was a V2 Strawhat, different batches, and Shanks and Ace came out before that even. They gave out Nami because she's another 2.5 type lead.

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>>169482084
Oh but we do!!
story islands nigga

>>169606345
If there wasn't that Despair Bazooka guy on Stage 4, I wouldn't be running it but he gives you a full 9 turns to stall so it's not bad. I'm definitely not gemming for Akainu now though.

>>169606928
Fuck, I'm 0/2 then. I'll stop

>>169606345
>Have Inthawk or FUCK YOU: the raid
thanks bamco

>>169606996
1. Stop replying to post on dead threads
2. Stop posting my girlfriend's little sister.

>>169606828


Riku is even better as a sub than Towel Nami

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I drew this as a tribute to the early days of One Piece. I tried drawing Log Vivi but I think she ended up looking more like Alvida with a cutlass.

>>169607217
Essentially any raid with a revive Inthawk makes super fucking trivial. So glad I've got him completely maxed out.

Barely use him as a captain though because no fucking 3d2y Zoro and to a lesser extent Kizaru.

>>169607217
I once failed to stall 25 turns and I still won. I just had to fish for orbs and only use the other Doffy to burst Akainu down so I could use the other special after the revive.

>>169607304
Mirin Laboon, the head especially. You've got some potential there anon.

Reminder that Orb sockets synergize with:

Non-matching Orb randomizers (6+ wb, 6+ kuzan)
Orb rate specials (Lucci, sw robin, thatch, breed, etc.)
Red force (croc teams, ray teams, sengoku teams, invasion shanks teams, sw shanks teams.)
rate boosting captians (sw shanks, akainu, invasion shanks)
Enemies who randomize orbs

Things that DR synergies with:

Autoheal.

>>169607296
But how? He has less attack and a longer cooldown with books that are ages away anyway.

And changing PSY orbs is all you really ever want, QCK isn't that important to change in the content where you'd be using him.

>>169607935
it barely synergizes with autoheal

>>169607716
how did you survive his 44k hit?

>>169607935
Add "units that rely on matching orbs like Fuji and Ace" to orbs
I feel like there are units that don't care to have orbs as much, but I can't remember what they are.

>>169608185
He wouldn't have to take one if he burst on turn 2 and then popped the other doffy on the revive. Pretty scary, but possible if he got the right unit blown away.

So I couldn't lurk lately, but I read quickly some of the archived threads to check opgg's sugo pulls, and holy shit, this whole anniversary can be summarized like this:
>I pulled 6 legends in 5 multi
>BUT WAAH THEY ARE NOT THE LEGENDS I WANTED
>ANNI SUGO WAS TOTAL SHIT

Holy shit guys are you really this bad at the game that you consider a legend shit unless it's TSLuffy or Fuji?

>>169607935
Reminder that no team relies on orb luck to work
And if it does
You suck you inconsistent ass

>>169607716
Yeah you basically have to have your captain either be an orb booster or a type/class booster OR have inthawk
this is why LL can't do the raid without inthawk, his special is just useless

>>169608519
LL can do it with TS Luffy friends if you dont have Inthawk

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A happy Carrot is a cute Carrot

I hope to God it doesn't take Bepo half a fucking year to return, it's already been months and months and months since Marg and she's still not back. Bamco seems to have an issue with that.
Hope we get three return fortnights soon just like japan has.

>>169608479
I really wanted my boy Cav, but I'm happy. I went from having a good account to having one people are jealous of. That's always fun.

>>169608185
I didn't take it on. I had HWZoro (the most underrated unit in the game) up so I had 2 turns to get the orbs before burst.

>>169608453
I did have to play with the dmg calc to make sure I could deal the finishing hit with Speed Jiru. Glad It worked out cause it was my last 60 stamina and I leveled up after that run.

>>169608479
I consider a legend shit unless it's a legend I like. But in the case of Boa and Lucci they're also legends that are shit despite my tastes

>>169608483

Any forest team that isn't a zombie does.

Orb luck can fuck you on bad rounds of raids depending on your team.

Say akainu if your running 2.5x boost captians and you hit stage 3 with 1 turm cd's and badly matching.

Orbs would prevent this from happening more than not. Where DR would let you die with a smaller number.

>>169608479
Fuck you.

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>>169607304
We oldfagging now?
>Autoheal is a meme
>global is dead, game will get cancelled soon
>RCV is best stat
>Rayleigh can clear anything, he's best legend of all
>G3 is better than legends, G3 was a mistake
>No Jozu or Ace? good luck clearing Blackbeard.

>>169608479
you forgot about the people pulling no legend or 1 in 10 multi

>>169608780
I'm probably going to have to buy gems if this happens. I need Croc books and all those fortnights in general I neglected because I had no units to skill up from them.

2xstam2xdrop blows through my stamina bar so fucking quick even though I have 180+, it feels like I'm sub plvl 200 again. Gemming is just so comfy and quick now, need to get to 360 stamina before it starts feeling like a chore again but by then it'll be 4xstam4xdrop