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120 hours

>2.6: Legacy
https://www.pathofexile.com/legacy
>3.0: the Fall of Oriath
https://www.pathofexile.com/oriath
>Offline Skilltree Planner
https://github.com/EmmittJ/PoESkillTree/releases/
>Offline Build Planner
https://poebuilder.com/
>Helpful links
http://pastebin.com/8R2HQiuu
>"Hey guys what's the price on this piece of shit item"
http://poe.trade/
>Wiki
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Path_of_Exile_Wiki
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>>169504639
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>wake up
>no league
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>watching japanese kid cartoons
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I wanna kiss these lips...
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https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1818951
Would this be a good League started?
Assuming they don't rape double dipping this patch
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hiroi uchyuu ni hitori dake no
kimi ga soba ni ite kureru nara
koware ta toki no hari mo yagate
yukkuri ugokidasu mirai he
kimi ha sono mamade ite
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let's settle this once and for all
who is /our guy/ and who is /our girl/
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So Darkscorn + Soulstrike + CI seems like a good combo. You passively reduce all incoming physical damage by 25% better than armor against big hits.

The question is whether or not to be slightly ethical by actually using it as a bow attack build or by just doing BV Poison
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>>169504853
>Would this be a good League started?
"Playable on a budget of a couple exalts."

>Assuming they don't rape double dipping this patch
theyre not touching it
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GOD TIER:

Shield Charge

SHIT TIER:

Everything else
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>>169505053
>"Playable on a budget of a couple exalts."
Isn't that around 140c at best?
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>>169504901
Phoebe walks past a furniture store and catches her reflection in a mirror palced in the windows. the name of the store? "Ursula."

>>169504902
You
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5 challenges to go to get 12 before the league ends. Is it possible?

I'm going for Finishing Normal (kek), vendor recipes (need chaos and vaal), masters and the other 2 I don't know.
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who /tidebreaker/ next league here
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Reminder that FB totems into vspark is the objectively best league starter assuming no massive nerfs to either skill
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>>169504923
>You passively reduce all incoming physical damage by 25%
A white titanium spirit shield passively reduces all incoming attacks (of physical nature or not) by 25%
>Soul Strike + BV
I'm sure that faster start of energy shield recharge comes in handy when you're a melee build
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>>169504902
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>>169505149
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>>169505294
Alkaizer is effortlessly cool
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>>169505259
Reminder that playing unethical builds conditions you to being a shitter

Learn to play the game and you'll be able to enjoy your own build instead of competing with 10k other sheep playing the exact same build as you
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>>169505221
no
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>>169505221
>trying very hard for some footprints
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>kek
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Are Hybrid defenses even a thing?
Does anyone even use hybrid armor or is it all or nothing?
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>>169504853
CwC + anything is a terrible "league starter"
try it in Dried Lake and you'll understand why

mapping build != boss killer build

it's like asking if Viper Strike is a good "leaguer starter", are you retarded?
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>>169505259
vspark is unethical build
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>>169504718
You need to invest heavily in physical damage (not attack damage) and spell damage for physical spells to work out.
Since everyone and trheir cat is running Blade Vortex, I say it's possible, but then that shit is broken af
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>>169505681
I tried it once and it's actually not bad because armor doesn't help much against big hits anyway
Plus the gear is cheap which is nice
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>>169505614

You're right. I shouldn't even bother. I don't even use those I have.
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>>169505681
>Are Hybrid defenses even a thing?
Yes, as long as you know what you're doing
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>>169504829
looks royalty-tier inbred
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>>169505990
what Hybrid did you try?
Seriously asking because I like the idea of Hybrid classes in most RPGs
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>>169505832
>Having to invest in physical damage
The whole reason people complain is that you can invest nothing and still do more damage than someone who invested for a attack build.
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>>169506158
how much damage do you get from the ziggydee belt?
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>Wrath is a lightning aura
>Anger is a fire aura
>they mean the exact same thing in English
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could i theoretically stay in the top 10 SSF HC by farming nothing but dried lake?
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my ultrasecret 2h viper strike build will be the top of ssfhc, wait and see plebs
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>>169506158
That looks pretty neat actually. How difficult was it to itemize?
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yeah there wont be more than 10 people playing
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>>169506239
Armor evasion
Mostly tried it because I had a 5 link drop in the right colors on day 1
It's not bad at all, you wind up with enough armor where the same things are scary whether you had another 2k armor or not
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repostan
>Favorite skill is firestorm
>Haven't played in a long time, since awakening
>New skill is swordy firestorm, bladefall
Is it good enough to build around?

Reading the rest of the thread, apparently firestorm is unethical? Why is it? It was good but wasn't the best when I was using it. What changed?
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>>169506401
for the first 3 days, maybe

how many dried lakes can you run while someone runs a single t10 map though?
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>>169506529
skin of the loyal and granite/jade flasks
works better if you're a pathfinder
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Is one of the best skills of the game viable? Who knows.
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>>169506559
See >>169505832 and follow-up
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>>169506624
SSF will have problems shaping atlas quickly without trade so Shaped Strand farming will take longer to get going.
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>>169506559
>apparently firestorm is unethical?
it is not. use it. top tier leveling skill
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>>169506158
Neat, with Raider you can get decent dodge if you want w/o need to spec Acro/Phase Acro. Wear Atziri Steps, get Quarts Flask, add Hinekora ammy and w/ V. Grace on you cap Spell Dodge and get around 60% dodge.
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>>169506846
you dont know how things work so stfu
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Assuming the maximum reasonable AoE you can get in 2.6 is equal to about 40-50% increased radius now, which skills become less viable/shitty to play?

Rolling Flames fireball? Flameblast? EQ? What else?
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>>169506846
and it will take even longer if you stay in dried lake like a clown and don't build up your map pool, because you can't shortcut atlas progression by buying maps later, your point? vsparking dried lake is a viable strategy in a trading league, not so much in a SSF league
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>>169505771
>MUH DRIED LAKE
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>>169507040
If that happened non-prolif flameblast would definitely be shit for normal map clears but I don't think that's likely.
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>>169507204
Probably they will need to click twice per map instead current once, so #muhclear speed will drop by 50%.
>Fireblast is obviously not viable anymoire after severe nerf in 2.6 path

We are bunch of clowns, thatt's what we are
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>>169506848
it can double dip in multiple ways

its unethical and immoral to use it
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what if you use elemental focus firestorm
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more multipliers are pretty unethical
an ethical build only uses increased modifiers
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>>169507468
you can still poison with it using chaos convo
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>>169507468
nothing bad, firestorm doesnt benefit from stat. aliments (at the rate that's worth mentioning at least)
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>>169507395
It'll be viable, but literally everything is viable. It just won't be great.
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>>169507650

>being this late to the meta
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FB totems ele
Fire Nova Sab
SRS Necro

AOE nerf most likely will hurt Fire Nova leveling making it slightly less safe and its not easy to do shaper and guardian with a first build of the league but t1-15 map clearing are super easy with basic gear.

FB Totems I have never done but Totem builds tend to be not fun to play for me. Really think its very solid first build of the league however.

SRS with melee splash buff might really help clear speed a lot and its pretty easy to gear but the top end is kinda shitty.
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>>169506559
Bladefall is kinda okayish, it deals physical damage which is effective, it used to be much stronger in comparison to Firestorm but various changes ans ascendancies have made it less desirable in the current patch, namely it's hurt a lot by its terrible cast time which makes it clunky to use

One way to bypass this is to use the new CwC support which is equivalent to a ton of cast speed and does not have a less damage multiplier like Spell Echo which makes it ideal for Wither CwC poison shenanigans.
Unfortunately, Bladefall doesn't have a duration tag so it's not really "physical Firestorm" and you have to waste a support for poison, whereas Wither CwC Firestorm with 2x Consuming Dark get a free poison link, can scale with duration, and you can use EO for a free x1.4 damage multiplier

Currently Bladefall is like t2, borderline t1 if you go something like Scourge Necro and damage starts to become acceptable but that locks it out of being a proper league starter skill
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>>169507803
I'm really considering SRS this league. Seems like it's the only thing besides single target melee that will come out of this AoE change ahead of where it is now.
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>>169507757
got me, most of my knowledge was fresh about 2.0-2.2 pathes
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>>169508072
Bladefall is T1 if you're using mines/traps instead of casting it.
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>>169508353
Not really, the infrequent damage is terrible in breaches and you can't leech, trappers are a terrible idea in Legacy
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Flame surge is ethical
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is it ethical because its bad?
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SRS is p op as a league starter since you can literally get a 6 link +2 on day 1
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>>169508450
dunno about traps, but bf mines literally clear red map breaches like its nothing
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>>169508589
this applies to any skill scaling with gem level that has an elemental tag, bravo

>Frostbolt is p op as a league starter since you can literally get a 6 link +2 on day 1
suddenly doesn't sound that intelligent anymore
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>>169508589
>you can literally get a 6 link +2 on day 1

explain
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>>169507406
use ele focus and dont convert. it's fine. esp for leveling which is an ethics free zone
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SHOTGUN-MS
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>>169508635
can bow phys relict of a raider use them too? w./o single node or mod for traps/dot/chaos/etc?
You know, just to keep mobs busy and hurt while I'll be legolasing shit out of them
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>>169508762
I think he might be talking about The Dark Mage div card farm. Overgrown Shrine drops them, Chamber of Sin 1 and 2 drop them and I think overgrown ruin.
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Orb of storms is ethical
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>>169508965
no
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>>169508965
no, bf mines need you be somewhat around packs and moving a lot
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>>169506158
Interesting, but I was wondering more about Hybrid defenses involving Energy Shield, especially Evasion and ES.
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>>169509005
not sure how that translates to a 6l on day 1
the only 6L people get on day 1 is a tabula
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>>169509005
oh yeah i see so spend the first few days of the league farming low level zones for a small chance at a 6link staff for a marginal increase in damage which isn't even necessary until you reach t12+ maps yeah sounds like a fantastic plan i'll definitely get into the top 10 doing that
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retard niggers in this thread still don't know about shrieking essence of rage
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For srs you can also farm/buy the porcupine then trans+alt it until you get reduced stat req to make coloring easier and then essence of rage it
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it doesnt. poster is a tard. flora's gift is farmable in under an hour tho
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Haste, unlike its vaal counterpart, is ethical
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>>169509395
Im telling u, where the hell all these fresh meat build up so strong belief that they need 6l starting from late 50lvls...
they think that they are smart at it but its so toxic demand...
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>The Porcupine can drop in the following world areas: The Hedge Maze on Merciless difficulty
Oh yeah because I could TOTALLY see the playerbase farming that one area for you to buy the cards from, you freaking IDIOT
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>>169509981
they're shitcrows. they've never actually progressed through the game
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your post read like a stroke
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>GGG hasn't released anything about the rebalanced uniques
Is Chris Wilson from Grinding Gear Games a retard or what? How is anyone supposed to plan a build around this shit?
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the difficulty jump from a3 into a4 in normal is so drastic its unrealistic to expect normal players, even if they are somewhat experienced, to be able to make it without a 6l
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>>169510202
There are only 3 uniques up on the announcement page...

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1834597

Unique rebalance is going to determine which builds will be very strong.
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how does chris wilson even breathe
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I've played a decent amount of Diablo 3, but I'm looking to give POE a try. I'm at level 30 on my first ranger and its going ok-ish, but I have a bunch of questions about the game that aren't really answered in any of the new player guides I've read. A lot of my questions will compare against Diablo 3 for reference, not because I'm hating on POE, but because it's the only game of the genre that I've played before.
Questions:
What are the gear/level benchmarks for this game? I.E., I started a seasonal D3 character a couple days ago and by level 20, I had had four legendary drops and was full yellow geared. In comparison, on my level 30 ranger, I currently only have five yellow items (jewelry and 2 armor pieces), rest blues, with no unique drops. At what points in POE (on average) should I be fully blue geared, fully yellow geared, and when should unique items start dropping?
Loot drop rates: In D3, whenever I kill a blue pack, yellow monster or a unique, I usually get a blue or yellow drop. However, in my experience with POE so far, over half of the yellow, blue and uniques I've killed have dropped no loot or just whites. Have I just been super unlucky, or is loot just harder to come by in POE? At what rate should I expect to get gear upgrades (on average)?
At what rate should I be receiving skill gems, and how should I be getting them? In D3, you just get skills/runes/passives per level. In POE so far, the only gems I've gotten have been from quest rewards, which can lead to long wait times, or sometimes from monster drops. However, the majority of the drops have been unusable by my build. How often should I be getting new skill gems, and are there other ways of acquiring them that I'm missing out on?

Is there a way to expand my inventory? I find myself wanting to pick up a lot of loot to sell, since I'm new to the game and have no currency, but I can usually only pick up 10ish pieces before I have to teleport back.
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You have to go back
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Imagine this a Unique Shield that casted socketed warcrys on block
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>>169510332
all i need is saphire ring for Mev, pair of good snickers and sweat suit for Vaal and 2-3 stauching flasks for Dom, I'm arriving at Highgate, crowd wearing whire robes looks at me. "Noob can't even get 6l" they think, entering Lakegrind party. And they stay there forever.
>lake grind,no boss killing!
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>hearthstone isn't releasing any new content
>kripp hasn't said anything

Are we finally going to see Kripp's secret Guardian Double Double Dip Firestorm?
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Kripp doesn't even like this game
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Yeah besides for the fact that he's played it a billion hours and comes back every league to play offline.
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>>169511335
>offline
he just take handouts
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Magma orb is ethical
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No fire is ethical since it double dips by default.
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when Chris talked about breaking all the rules of the genre, I thought he meant a PoE VR dating game spin off
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>Just have to endure 5 days of this torturous existence until new league
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i'm enjoying chronicon while I wait for legacy
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at least euroneetbros get 5 day to fix their sleep schedule for the league
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>>169510672
You cant expect to find inflationary ammounts of loot, especially early on. Hell, higher difficulties drop loot of previous ones, so enjoy that lvl 20 dagger dropping on Merciless difficulty.
But you can't just wait for your ideal upgrade
By lvl 30 you should have amassed enough Alchemists Orbs to completely clad yourself in Rares ("yellow").Everytime you visit the vendor look for items of the type you want with the sockets and links you need. socket colour arent that important. Sometimes a well-socketed Normal item is worth more than a rare one.

Also, when rummaging through dropped items OR the vendor, look out for the following qualities:
3linked rainbow (at least one blue, green and red socket each, all linked). they sell for 1 chromatic at the vendor
Items with 6 sockets, they sell for 7 Jewelers
6links. Probably worth more than your entire account, sell on the player market

If you CTRL-Click on a place to teleport to, you can choose which instance to go to.
For a poor/newfag like you, ging through all instances of all towns and looking through the vendors' inventory can net you some sweet cash quickly.
Items with 6 affixes sell for an entire orb of augmentation.
Items of the same category (armor, weapon, map, gem, flask) equaling to a total of 40% quality between them or a single one with 20% will sell for an quality-improvement item for that category. But only gems and flasks are worth saving them in your stash

No, you can't expand your inventory, only your stash.
Only pick up rares and smaller magic items, I say 4 squares or smaller. Hell, drop a large rare one to pick up a smaller. 2H weapons are generally not worth the space
Generally, only identify rares, otherwise you're wasting more money than you get out of it. Sell Whetstones and Scrap for Identifying and Portal Scrolls

Also, look through this
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Vendor_recipe_system
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>>169512531
Concentrated Cancer: the post
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>unironically responding to reddit crossposts
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>>169512435
>chronicon
>early access

ea is like being a white girl going to brazil for vacations and deciding taking a walk by yourself on the favela at night
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>>169512790
I mean it was $7 and has tons of content but ok
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>>169512531
>>169510672
Why are you shitting where you eat?
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>>169510672
I seriously hope that entire post is bait.
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om nom nom nom
this general gets worse and worse with each passing day as more shitcrows and redditors come
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With all the beautiful scenery in this game, I would love to be able to zoom out even a single notch. But what are the balance/gameplay implications for increasing camera distance?

Since the game is being expanded on so dramatically, I would love this more than ever going forward. I remember that in Diablo, increasing the resolution let you see far more of the area around you than was intended, and led to breaking the gameplay somewhat with mob aggro ranges.

However, increasing the camera distance in PoE doesn't mean changing the resolution. I love seeing all the scenery the game has to offer, but I often feel like the camera creates an environment that is too claustrophobic, even in areas when creating a sense of claustrophobia is intended/important.

I'm not going to say "X game has a much higher camera distance, so POE should have it too!" That's a disservice to the unique gameplay of PoE. Increasing camera distance can subtly (or not) affect every game differently, even when they're all in the same genre.
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unite poeg under the one true banner of SSFHC or watch it perish
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>>169512913
the game looks fine
im just weary about early access
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>>169510672
Also, since you're here let me give you a quick rundown of the currency system:
There are 12 currencies which are considered "the pennies" since you get a lot of them and paying vendors is mostly done through them. The vendor in each town that sells you gems and wands also sells them in ascending order of worth. In order to descend on the ladder, you need to waste money by spending more than what the product is worth. the ladder is:

Identification > Portal > Transmutation > Augmentation > Alteration > Jewelers > Fusing > Chance >Scouring > Regret >Alchemy

These are the most commonly used items too with the exception of Chaos, which is not in that list but very useful and therefore the standard currency for player trade. Because its worth isnt inflated by people abusing the vendor system.
Then there's chromatic orbs, which are a dead end in the line. They can be obtained for Jewelers, but not vendored into anything else. Which is why you should pick up those 3linked rainbows, so you end up with massive heaps of chromatics and dont waste jewelers when you need to adjust the colour of your sockets because you just found a new skill you want to test.
There are also the Quality improving items sold by the other vendor, but unless you need EVERY single point of defense and offense, they aren't worht much. Gemcutters Prism and Glassblowers Bauble are an exception.
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>>169513578
>>169512531
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This general is one of the few on /vg/ without a new player guide in the OP Copypasta, but also one of the most hostile to new players.
That should be enough to let anyone know that it has one of the worst playerbases
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>>169513578
>>169513204
stop
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>>169513782
it has tons of info in the OP you fucking retard
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any meme gods here
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>>169513782
Its a very simple game made by idiots for little children.

Why would you need a guide to play it?
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>>169513919
Yes.
but no "new to the game info" or "don't ask us these questions for the sake of fuck please don't aks these questions" pastebin like other general on this board.
I have been to so many different generals since /vg/ has started and /poeg/ has to be one of the worst.
I take waifuposting, R34 torrenting, Lewd-Mods discussions and anime shittery over the "You're the shitcr*w! No YOU'RE the shitcr*w" this one is.
EVERY
SINGLE
ONE
You guys make me long for the AnimePosters
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>>169514327
shut the f*ck up you stupid sh*tcrow
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>>169514204
>very simple game
>the list of metagame memes is longer than that of Dota or WoT

>made for little children
explains a lot about this thread
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Reminder that hardcucks are a dying breed
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fucking RRRRRRRRRR******************************************DDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
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What's the best golem as a one of for spell casters?
Fire or lighting? Maybe chaos even if you need the defense?
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depends on your build tbqh
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Fire skills with elemental focus is ethical
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but is fb totems with elemental focus still ethical
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>>169514903
Not true. Using support gems is unethical.
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>>169515135
no
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what are some ethical JAV builds
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I'm thinking about running a life based elemental hit scion ssf hc next season. Any tips?
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don't
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Totems are not ever ethical. They are an npc doing damage for you, same as minions.
Support gems ARE ethical, as long as they are not in a broken setup
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what about rejuvenation totem though
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support gems are only ethical if they don't provide More damage
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>>169515593
pick hierophant and saboteur as your ascendant ascendancies
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>>169515886
Actually going raider inquisitor since I cant make the character too useless or I wont be able to map
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>>169516054
we somehow got by without ascenancies in the past
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>>169516401
They re-balanced the content with ascendencies though, so I'm not sure its still possible
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Rejuvenation totem is still an NPC giving you health, same as stone golem. Use vitality and pick up regenerate on tree.
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if you could capture one of those female cannibals from the coast and make it your sex slave in your hideout would you do it
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>>169516480
You can clear everything in the game with the default attack and vinktar's.
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>>169516480
when did they rebalance content?
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>>169517119
but the default attack doesn't cost a bajillion mana...
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Haven't played in a couple years looking to start a new character, anyone want to coop on steam, am cool dude.
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>>169517479
what's your IGN man
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>>169517173
With the Atlas of Worlds expansion, remember?
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>>169517479
The league is ending very soon. This is a bad time to start again.
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http://poeurl.com/4qY
Here is an example of an ethical life regen build, I chose guardian because juggernaut is very unethical. With this build you will have ton of regeneration, and you can easily breeze through content without worrying about doing damage (which is unethical with this build)
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>>169517584
yeah I remember, how did that rebalance content?
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I actaully think the game is easier after atlas of worlds, probably due to increased map drops

before you were forced to run shitty layouts/super rippy maps if you wanted to sustain red maps solo/without buying maps
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I have that strange feeling that every time I do Myst. Gift I get twice as shit item as the worst of teh 5 i spen... I know about ilvls with this prophecy too, so that's not it...
DId I find secret fliping ggg conspiracy or just I went full mental because of my greed?
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>>169518028
They came out with the atlas content, changed numbers across the board for map level and monster strength, pack size ect. to balance for ascendancy classes and added the shaper and friends to the end game
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>>169518227
Yup easier, but still need to buy maps from other people though, especially if you want to play content that is challenging on any level
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>>169509349
Serious question though, is Energy Shield+Evasion viable over Evasion + Acrobatics + Life ?
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anyone wanna practice SSFHC together
i'll be necro support
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>>169518342
> monster strength, pack size ect. to balance for ascendancy classes

I don't honestly remember they did any of this. It's possible, but imo they just changed tiers around based on accessibility and layouts for newbies.
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>>169518546
if you're a trickster yes
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>>169517574
>IGN

SolaNero, just started a witch going necro build
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>>169518587
>>169518342
>Monster life has been increased in tier 4-12 maps.

Is the only thing from the patch notes I found, and I honestly did not notice it at all
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>>169518693
don't post 3DPD sluts here
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>>169518651
Any other requirements?
I guess I already need to have the full Shadeform/Ghostdance line active
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hey whats a good burning arrow burn build
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>>169519130
grace
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>>169519192
Heh this is not closed beta kid..... Burning arrow is a bad skill to build around now.
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>>169519227
that's not how you spell "no hatred, fuck you", your point is clear tho
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>>169519584
<he hasnt seen the new jewel
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>>169519712
You need closed beta avatar of fire and diamond flasks in order for ba to be considered a viable option again.
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>>169520149
<he doesn't think TWO IGNITES is good
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Are all totem builds unethical? What about the physical totems?
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>>169520778
>Are all totem builds unethical?
Yes.
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>>169520852
Tell me with a straight face that rejuvenation totem is unethical, you little shit
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>>169521039
>zealot's oath
>beast fur shawl
>patient reaper
sounds very ethical m8
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>>169521039
Can you get regen from a tree? If the answer is yes, you do not need a totem
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>>169521039
There's no such thing as a "rejuvenation totem build", utility totems are fine and often used unlinked, we're talking about actual "totem builds" as in, builds that delegate their damaging aspect to AI, which is unethical since the player's decision making and aiming are largely stripped away
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i want to play ssf with a friend
we can co-op it
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so what's the excuse for making uul netol's axe's proc shitty considering it was released together with ngamahu
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So I know there are a lot of different ways to shape the atlas but what should I do T13-15:
T1-9 Clear all
T10 Shaped Mesa
T11 Shaped Strand
T12 Nothing to increase Strand drops
T13?
T14?
T15?
T16 Clear all
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>>169521405
forced meta
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>game of widescreen aoe killing mobs in one hit
>decision making
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>>169521414
Do whatever you want and fits your personal needs, there's no absolute answer to this, it depends on your league (SSF/trading), existing wealth, willingness to run the same layouts over and over and over, willingness to give up on potential atlas drops (crystal belt in t13+s), etc
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do exiles still drop crystal belts/steel rings etc?
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>>169521859
no
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>>169521504
>mfw
this thing is perfect for earthquake
fucking wasted potential
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>>169521414
I'd say T10 is too low to warrant spamming so just clear all.
T15 is above the point where you can sustain, so you might as well just do them all. Except maybe dark forest, fuck that map.
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dank forest isn't hard tho
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isn't it ironic that when considering ascendancies for totem builds, most people will go inq/elementalist while the "totem ascendancies" like chieftain or hierophant are largely ignored
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When or how do vendors reset?
Changing instances of the town vial ctrl-click doesn't seem to work
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>>169522739
on level up
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>>169522739
levelup
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>>169522739
level up
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>>169522739
on levelup
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>dank forest isn't hard tho
that's easy for you to say, shitcrow
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>>169522739
Whenever the player character gains enough experience to advance in level.
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>>169522972
>filename
Stop breathing.
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>YOUR SPELLS ARE DISABLED
>YOUR SPELLS ARE DISABLED
>YOUR SPELLS ARE DISABLED
>YOUR SPELLS ARE DISABLED
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>>169522972
>being slow
>not being immune to bleeds
and I'm the shitcrow?
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what the fuck is this
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Dark Forest Rigwald is arguably the hardest t15 boss with mods like extra proj, crit or vuln
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>>169523239
>the buff to melee
>can't even use vaal haste
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unless you have literally 0 armour I don't see how those mods could be a problem, unless you have every single one of them at the same time
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>>169523239
fucking furries
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>>169523348
Don't worry, Vaal haste will be so gutted nobody's gonna use it
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>>169523348
or auras
or curses
this unique is fucking trash
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>>169523090
esk has told me to kill myself several times so we're basically best friends
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ethical has been stolen by reddit we need to abandon this meme
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>>169523239
This actually goes well with bleed since it's generic phys damage.

Too fucking bad they still have spell tag on auras/curses. Witchfire Brew will at least give you vulnerability aura.
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what if you equip rat's nest and bear's chest
do you become a ratbear
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>>169523758
>level 38, 150 armor 150 evasion
it's shit no matter what you do
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>>169523583
>>169523758
>level 38

>waaah why isn't it end game viable
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>>169523753
Yeah, fuck you havoc
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>>169523239
2.6 confirmed for a flop. All the new uniques have been vendor trash
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>>169522792
>>169522796
>>169522850
>>169522927
Thanks, surprisingly helpful
>>169522987
Not everything needs to be a meme
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Bex_GGGHead Community Manager[S] [hidden score] 5 minutes ago

We have a news post and a development manifesto planned for later today.

>>169523753
I've seen the meme on havoc's stream before it appeared here
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>>169523868
leveling with no heralds and without hatred, seems pretty fun
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>>169521237
If that's your criteria for making a totem build unethical, doesn't that make searing bond and righteous fire totems ethical?
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>attack builds get their own specialized chest
>spellcasters are left with nothing
rofl nice balance gigigi
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think you're funny weenywizard? you'll get yours...
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spells need to get buffed asap
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>>169523239
i like it but it does indeed suck that you can't use auras.either go balls deep on mom for extra defenses or BM. 130+ life is pretty neat even for end game
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>>169524107
Not really, searing bond still requires smart positioning (thus decision making) from the player, RF totems are debatable but can be likened to casting AoE spells since they cannot move or aim so they remain fairly unethical
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an aurawhore can give you auras
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>130+ life is pretty neat even for end game
not on that base
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>>169524182
dont worry next unique will be the complete opposite
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>>169523868
its not even leveling viable you drooling retard
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>>169523758
>This actually goes well with bleed since it's generic phys damage.
only smart observation in this thread of shitter
70% double dipping damage + vuln from witchfire brew/vuln on hit gloves opens up the possibility of pure phys/bleed builds
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>>169524423
fuck off or start replying properly
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>it's a bear pelt
>made of wyrm scales
nice item lore

also starkonja's head is not an ursine pelt for some reason
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>>169524746
anon you can't teach a pig to fly
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>>169523239
Just hit people with a Mjolner and the counter attacks
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reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/5wctka/secret_projectpts_twin_explains_the_true_ssf/

reddit is stealing all our memes...
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>>169525084
>reddit claims to hate our guy and not care about him
>take every opportunity to talk about him
?
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or perhaps... we were reddit all along.
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>>169525084
i bet you didn't know people on reddit play path of exile too
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>>169525209
whoa...
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/v/edditors i swear to god....
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>>169524703
maybe in shitcore
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>>169525084
can they steal the catposter and never give him back to us?
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>>169523583
Or AA
Or Blood Rage
Or IC
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where is there a spell tag on auras or heralds
that doesn't make much sense
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>>169505221
It's very possible.

>>169506917
Perfect Form
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first of all i got banned from the poe reddit four years ago for bullying shitcrows and haven't been there since
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>>169524863
This triggers me to this day desu.
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>>169515593
Looking for tips on skill tree for this build
Planning on rolling jewels with life.
https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAABANhN8pc7KJSgsVt7bptdhQ4DltpipjKXIaiaNCBuPWh0GFYDBMF8WlJ7wyImvoD56KlIqHIh0ErIgsfS6G6qPyco-h2-tfIqTV-YmK0zhzWSeA0A7kfiWW0D7v6P2L3AGizpIuLPMk3j_gpvO4azFSCkOd0NW68hdhR1DY2GznfXh3bBM1b645_dRn8rSn1jpzB8OdQRgY19UUd29yP2N9Q-z42_51Qx-k2S7T-95gW1Pd3UIyT9oJ_C7BqNZ2fYC_rxMHH_3rTFKltbJp8n3agM8mKs2-d59n_7S3ily2yMbAhHBkM2OkKdqvGK8uFS7GNDDdHjhCsKXfIqC57EcFKmvg==
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I think we can all agree that people who don't start their sentences with a capital letter are subhuman European manlet leeches.
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when you get banned/muted from every place you infest, maybe the problem lies with you and not the community that excludes you
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>>169525439
There is literally nothing wrong with catposter
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So the ethical meme is a reddit one? Good to know,.
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>>169525084
It was just supposed to be a minute of flooding a mumble channel with shit
I'm sorry
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>increase character size
>can no longer dodge roombas in lab
nice sh*tcrow item
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Hello everyone I'm new here, I'd like to be referred to as Smug Poster
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>thinks an incomplete sentence is proper
>lectures people about capitalization
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Keep Yourself Safe
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>>169525632
my original idea desu, would you try it with purity of cold too? Or fuck fancy shit and just take phase acro and free AA from this chest?
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Sorry were out of space for new memes

Free poster is looking close to retirement so you won't have to wait long
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I only play true ethical SSF hardcore. I delete every meta unique I find because it is unethical to keep it. When my character dies, I delete every item in every stash tab because it's not true ethical SSF hardcore otherwise. I Vorici break every six-link I land because it is unrealistic to ever six-link an item in true ethical SSF hardcore. I skip the Labyrinth because Ascendency Classes are unethical powerhouses. Every time a Vaal Orb drops, I immediately use it on a randomly equipped piece of gear to increase the challenge. I've had global chat and trade chat disabled since I got my beta invite back in 0.9.2d, the Merveil fireball optimisation and curse duration patch, because player interaction gave too much advantage. I've sent at least 84 emails to GGG support over the years asking for unlimited ignore player space so I can make sure that no one talks to me when I'm in town. I read and listen to every lorestone, notes, books to fully immerse myself in the true ethical SSF hardcore experience. Every time I go into this general and read the word "meta", "trading", "blade flurry", "clear speed", "Headhunter", so on and so on, I make sure to thrust my giant vibrating dildo one to three times to punish myself accordingly for tainting my TESSFHC experience. I've stolen at least a dozen credit cards from my parents to pay for the 3,250 normal stash tabs that I have to show my support for GGG and the true hardcore game that they have developed. It deeply saddens me that PT left, he was the only one that spoke only truth. Why do you self-proclaimed SSF hardcores even try to pretend that you're truly SSF hardcore? You make me fucking sick
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only if you play on 4 non-premium tabs can you claim to be be truly ethical
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I only play TRUE ETHICAL SSF HC

I delete every 'meta' unique I find because it is UNETHICAL to keep it

When my character dies I delete every item in every stash tab because it's not TRUE ETHICAL SSF HC otherwise

I Vorici break every 6 link I land because it is UNREALISTIC to ever 6 link an item in TRUE ETHICAL SSF HC

I skip the labyrinth because ascendancy classes are UNETHICAL power houses

Every time a vaal orb drops I immediately use it on a randomly equipped piece of gear to increase CHALLENGE

I've had global and trade chat disabled since I got my beta invite back in 0.9.2d (the Mervail fireball optimization / cruse duration patch) (like you fucking retards would even remember such a much anticipated patch) because player interaction gave too much ADVANTAGE

I've sent at least 84 emails to GGG support over the years asking for unlimited ignore player space so I can make sure that no one talks to me when I'm in town.

I read and listen to every lorestone / notes / books to fully IMMERSE myself in the TRUE ETHICAL SSF HC experience.

Everytime I go onto this general and read the word 'meta', 'trading', 'blade flurry', 'clear speed', 'headhunter', etc etc I make sure to thrust my giant vibrating dildo 1 - 3 times to punish myself accordingly for tainting my TESSFHCExperience

I've stolen at least a dozen credit cards from my parents to pay for the 3,250~ normal stash tabs that I have to show my support for GGG and the TRUE HARDCORE game they have developed.

It deeply saddens me that PT left. He was the only one that spoke only TRUTH

Why do you self proclaimed 'SSF HC' even try to pretend that you're truely SSF HC, you make me fucking sick.

At least poopyflyinganimals know and accept their place in this world, you just pretend and flap your shit covered arms (wings) around this TRUE ETHICAL SSF HC general.

Sometimes I wish that whatever mysteriously wiped out the Vaal woulda fucking wiped all you 'hard cucks' and 'shitbirds' out.

Who else here /TESSFHCE/
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helo everyone i am a thirdworlder monkey who doesmt understand posting guidelines, basic grammar rules or how this game really works due to brain atrophy please address me without quoting
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ur dumb
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"The only sensible way to live in this world is without rules"
- The Joker (The Dark Knight)
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I like this meme.
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>>169526638
hi, same here, do you do drugs? u have penis or vagina? Mind to post vagina if you have one?
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this is relevant to Path of Exile: Atlas of Worlds... how?
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Hello, I am from the future exactly 1 week from now. GGG just released a balance patch severely nerfing the drop rate of reliquaries and reduced the rate at which high value foil uniques such as Kaom's heart, Face Breakers, Bringer of Rain and Aegis Aurora drop due to the fact that the top .1% of players who reached maps in 6 hours farmed reliquaries already obtained these uniques.
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>>169526746
That's a nice rule to live by.
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Good, they're supposed to be extremely rare chase items, not hot pockets
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fucking shitty drop rate today, had to go back to doing T14s
smdh tbf
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>>169525084
is nothing sacred? It wasn't even that funny
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>>169526902
well, it wasn't until you fucked it up with your post, square
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you do realize the league ends in 21 hours and not a single soul gives a shit about your map progression
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tfw racing redditors just keep stealing our memes..
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>>169525909
retard
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address me with out quoting my post number i am a dumb expat monkey living in europe my poverty stricken family sent me out to collect welfare money but instead i developed an addiction for a gambling game and an unwarranted sense of superiority this is a cry for help
adress me in a sub cultural way the only we know
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>the players that can afford to play nonstop and would benefit anyway from being early also get the benefit of the league based drops before ggg nerfs them
>after all these leagues ggg still can't get accurate information about drops despite also coding in the percentage
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shut the fuck up raiz
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why is this guy getting so triggered again
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http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/The_Coming_Storm

is this card SSF HC viable
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why would you want to farm lightning coil in this day and age
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>>169523239
>Become a bear
>can't use beartrap
poetards will defend this
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>>169528085
>implying bears use beartraps
???????????????????????
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coil is more ehp than kaoms...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlwU5IVd66A
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It's actually pretty good
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>ehp
kek
KEK
K E K
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>>169528085
>implying bear trap is a fucking spell you shitter
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reminder that we now have a fox chest, a turtle chest, a bear chest
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>>169525084
whew
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give me reasons to actually try melee this league /poeg/ and NOT just do BV again
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>>169528234
>ehp
sure thing super pro
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>>169528904
do you have a minute to talk about ethics?
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>>169528904
>BV post nerf
baka senpai
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>>169528904
your small dry balls won't let you run manly Heavy Strike marauder righ?
Reason is becaues you wanna run melee, we know it you know it, your small balls know it

your move exile
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>>169523239
I think this might actually be the worst unique in the game.
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I just brought a 20% quality surgeons eternal flask of staunching for 6 alchs...
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This general is in such a sad state, letting cuck streamers in here was the worst mistake we could've done
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>>169523758
So, might go pretty well on a BM keystone build?
Too bad the only builds that really use BM are EA and certain aurabots.
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do we still spawn with other players in SSF? I would hate to see their ugly mugs and rainbow anime wings whenever I log in on Highgate
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>>169529520
They do that to encourage p2w cosmetics sales, don't think it will change
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reminder that everything you hate about poe is done by ggg with the idea that it somehow increases mtx sales
this is what is known as ethical game design
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Is the perfect form viable? free AA and phase acro
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https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1838713
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>49 out of 313 posts contain word "ethical"

I am getting sick.
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>>169529994
You answered your own question.
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>>169530000
im too dumb to understand the pictures someone please explain
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SWT BUFFFF
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too many numbers and obfuscating pictures
someone tl;dr me the changes and is flameblast aoe still good thanks
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>>169530000
fuck. i played righteous fire this league. this would have been so nice
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>>169530000
Not only are they nerfing AoE scaling, they're fucking reducing EQ's base range. Are you fucking kidding me?
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>Blade Flurry has gained 2 on all of its ranges

wtf is this world
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>>169530425
yeah EQ is fucking dumpstered

also reave was nerfed hahfashdflksahdf
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>>169530425
They're only nerfing the initial hit, not the aftershock. Not that big of a deal desu.
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>>169530425
When you consider the skill's power and how comparable melee skills (Nice Crash to name one) had lowe AoE to begin with, this isn't such a dramatic or unwelcome change
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>>169530151
These threads have always appealed to philosophers interested in discussing what it means to live a good life.
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>>169530000
RIP Reave
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?????????????????????????????????????????????????? I thought they wanted to nerf BF and now they buff the range ????????????????????????????????
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>>169530823
made you think
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>people though the aoe changes were a buff
jesus reddit
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>>169529994
>>169530168
How about the non-upgraded version?10% spell dodge and increased AA effectiveness (if you've already gone with phase acro i mean).
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>they aren't showing flameblast
how gutted is it
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>new Earthquake radius
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>>169531037
viable for levelling not end game
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>Kinetic Blast's spread of explosions has also been increased to avoid overlapping with the primary target as a result of the change of the explosion radius.

el oh el
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>>169531234
doesn't this further gut kb?
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Is 2.6 RF ethical
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>>169531234
Disgusting.
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someone give me even one reason to nerf rain of arrows
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why is mathil running an unethical build?
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Ethical/Unethical is a reddit meme now, kindly stop using it
>>
It would be unethical to leave ethics up to reddit.
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>>169531428
Poison RoA Traps were too stronk...kek.
>>
Ground Slam gains +1 radius every 3 levels
Sunder gains +1 radius every 3 levels
Fire Trap gains +1 radius every 3 levels
Lightning Tendrils gains +1 radius every 3 levels
Storm Call gains +1 radius every 3 levels
Shrapnel Shot gains +1 radius every 4 levels
Lacerate gains +1 radius every 4 levels
Cold Snap gains +1 radius every 4 levels
Righteous Fire gains +1 radius every 4 levels
Static Strike gains +1 radius every 5 levels
Sweep gains +1 radius every 5 levels
Caustic Arrow gains +1 radius every 5 levels
Blade Vortex gains +1 radius every 5 levels
Rain of Arrows gains +1 radius every 5 levels
Blight gains +1 radius every 5 levels
Fireball gains +1 radius every 6 levels

I actually think this is a nice change and surprisingly well thought by GGG standards; the +1 radius per levels is very very welcome on some skills that will no longer feel forced to travel to both AoE clusters
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>>169531103
since flameblast radius isn't changed, it's probably a minor nerf
the main reason EQ got nerfed so badly is because of base radius change

>>169531336
yeah i think so
explosion spread was never the problem on KB, it was just damage
GGG hates wanders
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>>169531234
based, make power siphon great again
>>
How does Chris's jizz taste?
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>>169531801
Taste like nerfs
>>
I don't understand, they said Melee Splash is doubled in aoe per level yet without any increased aoe the radius remains the same
>>
Incredibly disappointed with the changes. There's basically no point in running a skill that uses AoE now.
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>>169531726
>since flameblast radius isn't changed, it's probably a minor nerf
If you had two AoE clusters and used Inc Aoe on flameblast before and do the same now, your total AoE is 53% of the old.
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>>169531872
you're basically one of those dumb players that still doesn't understand what the changes mean
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>>169531863
This, that picture has to be wrong
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>>169531872
Assuming you're not retarded and this is not bait, explain?
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>>169531336
use conc now
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>>169531801
ask reddit, they suck his dick on a hourly basis
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>>169523868
Reave is garbage tier now holy shit.
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>>169531409
Truly this is the Mors patch.
>when patch notes hit it'll say iron will now gives more spell damage instead of increased spell damage
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>>169531726
>GGG hates wanders
>only 3 usables skills with one of them being used bu bows too after all these years
Ya think?
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>>169531983
I'm not. I actually understood what it meant when they announced it in the first place when you retards were drooling over the map mod example they gave. I just held out hope until they released the actual values they were adjusting the tree/gem to.
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>>169531949
This can't be happening
>>
free
>>
nerfs
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>>169532204
Ignore the base radius value, it's just a placeholder. The ratio of new/old will remain the same.
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I told you spooky toss was #1.
Wait for those 1-handed weapon notes.
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nerfing aoe is literally the worst thing they could possibly do desu
getting more aoe feels too good they'll just make people quit
there's a reason literally everyone uses dying sun if they can
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melee splash is worse
but why
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did they say anithing agbout sa? I hope not
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People laughed at EK poster. Laughed at his 20 projectiles.
Now with proj speed and pierce he is out there, somewhere, laughing back at you.
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>>169532204
>>169532361
The numbers on the nodes and support were increased, so it's not THAT bad.
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>People complaon about AoE/clearspeed meta since forever
>GGG actually takes some measures for it
You'll just need 2 secs instead of 1 to clear the screen baka senpaitachi.
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>>169532598
>melee splash is worse
>melee improvements were a joke
>still need multistrike on everything
>multistrike auto targets and ignores low health mobs prioritizing high hp mobs because fuck you
ggg was a mistake
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Can someone explain where my math is wrong because it seems Flameblast got improved

>Old
AoE nodes: 5% increased radius
Blast Radius/Amplify: 5% Increased radius
Witch + Templar clusters: (5+5+5+5)+(5+5+5) increased radius
L20 Inc AoE: 39% increased radius

Both clusters + L20 Inc AoE = 74% increased radius
= (pi*174^2-pi*100^2)/(pi*100^2) - 1
= 103% increased AoE

>New
AoE nodes: 8% increased AoE
Blast Radius/Amplify: 10% increased AoE
Witch + Templar clusters: (8+8+8+10)+(8+8+10) increased AoE
L20 Inc AoE: 49% increased AoE

Both clusters + L20 Inc AoE = 109% increased AoE
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>complaining about AoE nerfs

long overdue
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>people
ProjectPT is not a person.
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>Promised to make Melee Splash equivalent to other AoE
>Nerfs every other skill's AoE
>It's actually worse than before if you have a single point in increased AoE
GGG folks.
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how is aoe nerfed? the patch notes are literally all just "increased aoe for x ability"

like what was actually nerfed? what the fuck is everyone sperging about?
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>>169532623
still the stronger shit becames the weaker it ll get pretty soon
that's why I''m happy they don't touch SA for 2 yearrs already
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>>169532864
the fuck is SA
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>>169532759
true, he has ascended
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I really want to like Frost Blades. It's a nice concept, but it's not the giant pile of numbers that, say, EQ is. But it's (theoretically) getting a buff in 2.6. So I've been theorycrafting it a bit. Let's say I'm a Deadeye with Powerful Precision and Ricochet, using two Touches of Anguish. Let's assume I'm at maximum frenzy charges. So projectiles can pierce (chance scaling inversely with distance traveled), chain +3, and return. The projectiles don't hit the original melee target on the outset (since they spawn behind it and fan outwards) so they should be capable of hitting it on the return path. Thus, they have as many chances as possible to turn around and double/triple/etc tap the main target as long as there is something in range for them to chain/bounce off of. The worst case scenario is the projectiles just pierce everything and carve through packs with their bloated crit chance; damn the luck.

The glaring weakness lies in situations where you're facing a true single target, like when a boss has no adds backing him up. Then the projectiles will just fly off into no-man's land. May need to fall back on something else for that.

Thoughts?
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he means split arrow you noob
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>>169523239
> your spells are disabled

remove that and it would actually be a really good chest. But not able to use curses and auras really gimps it. Though its a lv 38 chest, so everyone here trashing it needs to consider that it probably is pretty good to do 38-60 with.
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>>169532831
SA, freezing pulse and H. Strike aint AoE..
fuck off meta faggots, they are still weak as fuck
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My only regret is that i never made that max aoe satellite lazor build i wanted.
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>doubting freeze pulse with FREE projectiles
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>>169532669
You right, it's 66% sorry
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>>169533017
you can curse on hit, right?
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>>169532953
Frost Blades will always be shit so long as you can't scale the melee and projectile component at the same time. You have to scale ele damage.
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>>169532907
great that you ask and you don't rly care anyway
good luck with finding the most meta skill exile and
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>>169532953
Previously you might have been able to chain them off one of your own frost wall but this was patched for balance reasonsâ„¢ so there aren't really any way to make the skill work vs single target, let alone with relatively weak weapons like ToAs
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>>169533017

i just use wall of brambles until late merciless 2bh
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>We understand that this reduces the power of these items and we will be re-assessing these unique items for a later patch.

we realize these items are bad now, but we're not doing anything about it
let us tell you about the NEW AND IMPROVED heat shiver tho
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>>169533176
At least the leech nodes in the Shadow area apply to all attacks and not only on phys so that helps.
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>waaaaaaaaah waaaaaaaaaaaah the game is so fast it's all about the clear speed meta please slow it down
>waaaaaaaaah waaaaaaaaaaaah don't nerf my AoE I like deleting an entire screen with one click
why are redditards so full of contradictions
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shitting all over vaal ice nova
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>>169533412
Smart move.

Better address the balance of those items properly when they have the time.
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So i'm guessing disfavour is even better than other weapons for cyclone now
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wait until they remove two of your ascendancy points in 3.0
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>>169533412
literally no one in hardcore used shitcrow items like carcass jack anyway

probably because a defensive chest was and will always be better than a marginal increase of aoe
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>no one used carcass jack
wew lad
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welp guess flameblast and earthquake really get fucked this patch LOL
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>>169534004
Flameblast was largely unaffected
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SWT BUFF GUYS!!!
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>>169534095
Yeah, it only lost a third of its AoE. That's basically nothing right?
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eq and reave are dead

is ground slam and cleave alive?
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cleave was nerfed because it was too good and popular
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>>169534170
Prove it mathematically, because from my numbers it lost nothing

Are you taking into account the new AoE nodes?
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>>169532818
ahahahha

Wait they're serious with this? Hahahaha.

I understand they wanted to nerf some ridiculous stuff with EQ whole screen or FB. But this is ridiculous..., nerf every AoE that exists. Is GGG really wanting us to go back to the 2.0 meta of totems and cyclone?
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>>169534004
But GGG said they were buffing the numbers on aoe nodes to compensate, so I'm not sure how people are coming to these kinds of conclusions before we see the numbers.
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poe ninja says "fire&brimsone" prophecy costs ~42c
it fades Blackgleam into S, Fire
S, Fire quiver cosrs 15c
what do I miss here?
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>Monsters in almost all circumstances will be the same. We have tried to keep these as close to as they were prior to this change but there will be discrepancies in a few cases, such as Reave.
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>>169534327
totems have been meta since the inception of poe you stupid newshit
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why are there literal denialists here objecting to visual evidence provided by ggg itself
are we answers in genesis now?
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Was reave even used? Why did it need a nerf? Also melee splash nerfed lmao. Glad i don't play melee.
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>>169534376
They posted the exactly values each node is changing to. 5% nodes -> 8%, notables from 5%->10%, Increased AoE Gem from 39%->49%. It's still not even close to old AoE with the new formula.
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>>169534565
Vaal Reave had comparable if not better clear speed than BFlurry
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>>169534318
With two AoE clusters and the gem, which I think is a fairly standard setup for AoE.

I'm in the middle of expanding my spreadsheet so you can see for yourself much easier.
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Assuming the base radius for melee splash and Slayer's Impact remains 14, and there are no other AoE nodes.

Current: L20 Melee Splash: 871.96 area
New: L20 Melee Splash: 849.73 area (-2.6% difference)

Current: Slayer Impact: 886.68 area
New: Slayer Impact: 800.47 area (-9.8% difference)
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New Rolling Flames is a pretty massive nerf

With 4 RF jewel and witch/templar notables you had 28.8 radius, or 829pi total area

New RF jewel limit plus additional radius puts it at 20 radius, or 400 pi total area, multiplied by 1.36 from updated area nodes = 544pi total area

All in all a 35% nerf to total AoE. Or more, if you used more than 4 jewels. On a skill that is barely used as it is. Bravo GGG
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>starting build is not aoe
>it also got buffed by these aoe changes

FeelsGoodMan
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>>169534646
fuck everything
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why is this AOE change so fucking complicated

it hurt my head scrolling through all that bullshit
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>tfw i understand the entire aoe changes
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>>169534765
Complicating information is the best way to prevent an outrage since the majority won't understand it
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>>169534646
Prove it mathematically, not through an excel spreadsheet whose formulas are obscured

You expect me to trust a bunch of arbitrary numbers rather than a step by step calculation?
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>>169534883
Except the images they showed are enough to make you realize AoE is nowhere even close to the old AoE.
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>Monsters in almost all circumstances will be the same. We have tried to keep these as close to as they were prior to this change but there will be discrepancies in a few cases, such as Reave. For monsters, Reave will generally be larger when they have fewer stacks, and smaller when they have higher stacks.
>the skills monsters use are the same as players
I wonder if they've ever considered this to be a problem with their balance issues
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be sure to start your proof at peano axioms or i won't believe you
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>>169534939
You're going to have to wait until I finish it and upload it to google docs. If you want you could just fucking do it yourself unless you can't google the area of a circle calculation.
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inq tendrils.
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>>169535024
?????? yeah for skills whose base radius was changed/nerfed, this is not the case for every existing AoE skill
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>>169534616
Did they say what dying sun would become? Or will it be legacy?
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Another league using spells...
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>>169535024
>show only buffed radius
>hide shit like >>169534646
ggg cucks are the worst
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>>169535035
>considered
sure. care or understand: no.
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>>169535143
Holy fuck why not read the actual manifesto section?

>How have these changes impacted Items?

>While we have updated some cases of area of effect bonuses on items, a lot of them have not been changed. Unique items that provided increases to all Area of Effect (Carcass Jack, Divinarius and others) have not been changed.

>We understand that this reduces the power of these items and we will be re-assessing these unique items for a later patch. We do not want it to feel obligatory that skills or builds require the increased Area of Effect bonuses from these items in order to be considered viable for End-Game content.
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>>169535035
why is this an issue

if you use skills and you see monsters using the same skills you instinctively understand the danger/threat attached to them
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>>169535224
Look at the 8 stack reave radius >>169532110
and tell me they hid that. Anything that scaled amazingly with AoE is absolute dumpster tier now. Even 4 stack is awful.
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>Divine Orbs can be used for the following changes:
>Star of Wraeclast now gives 60% Curse Area, instead of 30% Curse Radius.

You heard it here first. Divine Orbs can now be used on Corrupted items.
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maybe reave gets a 100% damage buff in the patch notes to justify the aoe change, r-right
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>write a manifesto to reassure players
>players are left more confused than ever before
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the only unexpected changes will be that things with small base radii now have larger aoe
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>>169535380
On a basic level yes.. but buffing/nerfing the players and monsters at the same time is an issue
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>>169535535
>l
with vaals like chromes? or just like that?
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>>169535196
Nobody should feel forced to play a babyshit Hardcuck skill such as EQ. I welcome the changes.
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has anyone else fapped to bex's voice on BotW vids?
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no commonwealth women are gross
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>>169535761
>fapping to a land-whale
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>Blade Vortex 14 to 15
>Blade Vortex gains +1 radius every 5 levels
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he was right
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>>169535873
at least its a 3d person...
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Who else is playing the projectile league?
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>>169535827
>Angela White
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>>169535535
Fuckin hell,i know they've admited that they don't play their game but still...
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>>169535701
Yeah instead of there being 3 melee skills being viable (EQ / cyclone / Blade flurry) there now are 0 viable, maybe 1 I don't know how hard cyclone got hit but it seems nothing changed to it?

So it's just going to be bow build projectile meta. This patch doesn't even address ''clearspeed meta''. Hurr Reave can get huge AoE, nurf nurf nurf too much clearspeed! Meanwhile you have vspark where you don't even have to stand still and kill. Meanwhile you have windripper builds that are still having an insane clearspeed (though it did get nerfed slightly a couple of patches ago).

>>169536041
spell totem freezing pulse. Most viable caster build with these changes.
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>>169535961
that's a minus not a plus
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Flameblast totems will still be t1

not sure if you guys are retarded or genuinely believe this will budge the meta of t1 skills in the slightest

BV is also 1/3rd larger at level 20
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glacial cascade radius 10->14

reminder that glacial cascade received the biggest buff of any skill so far. Nearly a doubling of total area for free!
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>>169534673

My bad, forgot about that nerf on Impact's AoE a while back.

Current L20 Melee Splash: 871.96 area
New L20 Melee Splash: 849.73 area (-2.6% difference)
Current L20 Melee Splash+ L20 Inc AoE: 1684.72
New L20 Melee Splash+ L20 Inc AoE: 1266.10 (-24.9% difference)

Current Slayer Impact: 814.33 area
New Slayer Impact: 800.47 area (-1.8% difference)
Current Slayer Impact + L20 Inc AoE: 1460.31 area
New Slayer Impact + L20 Inc AoE: 1103.70 area (-24.5% difference)

So, minimal nerf with no other AoE, larger nerf with AoE nodes.
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>>169536383
>BV is also 1/3rd larger at level 20
You really need to work on your math man.
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you know they're fixing the bug with bv right
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>>169536428
Why would you ever nerf melee splash
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>tfw too smart to not have already planned on going projectiles
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>muh 2.4564321546% AoE nerf buaaaaaaaaaaa waaaah muh 6546545646879874123% AoE earfquek is all widdle noww :((((

your tears sustain me
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You told me xbox was going to be good for the game???????????
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BEX IS A PLUS IN SIZE ONLY
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>>169536428
>They said they were buffing Melee Splash.
>They actually just nerfed it less than every other melee skill.
>Flameblast remains untouched.
Just fuck my shit up, senpai.
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no one will cry for you when doubledipping gets the nerfbat
NO ONE
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do any1 sell magic/rare maps for unid +1 tier?
do you see that you won't get 3rd before you'll get 2 of every fucking single map from this tier,.,,
run 1, it's sure to drop back
every time, why ggg?
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>not wanting to sniff bex's BRAP
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good, peel off the unethical tumors off the game one by one and maybe it can remain cancer free for long enough to be enjoyable
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>>169536880
spoken like a true redditor
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>>169536684
Frost Blades meta desu.
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Nothing can be known for sure until they release those patch notes.
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Chris Wilson of Grinding Gear Games. Use Spectral Throw, faggots.
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>>169537158
well they just posted pictures showing the differences in AoE..
some skills got gutted.. why the fuck did they nerf reave? jesus
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>>169537205
what is ST getting?
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>>169537295
Give Glacial Hammer a try!
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>>169537342
NOT nerfed
also memeclaw is only getting nerfed in 3.0 so it'll still be quite stronk in this league
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Feels good getting an area buff for RF, never used the aoe nodes in the first place.
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>why the fuck did they nerf reave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BYQTVNopTU
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RF is getting buffed because GGG wants people to do their double innocence uniques meme build
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>>169537463
>never used the aoe nodes in the first place.
then you were dumb
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>>169537382
They said they were buffing melee splash. Considering with other changes I might've tried using that.

But nah those skills are dead. Only stuff with projectiles works. Idk if you guys are even doing the math on the new area nodes, but it means that a lot of skills lose plenty of AoE. In the past if you got inc AoE + 2 AoE clusters for flameblast it was huge, now doing that you only get around 50% of what you used to get. So its a very hard nerf.
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Don't forget to relic up your Kaom's Heart for your new RF characters!
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>>169537558
it's a pretty easy build to play on Xbox Oneâ„¢
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glad i never fell for the aoe meme
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Reave was too good it needed a swift nerf to its range thus reducing the fast map clearing time it is capable of.
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you can be all autistic over the AoE as you want, I'll go EQ as a starter regardless
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Try Lightning Strike 2.6 and enjoy having your projectiles stopped by terrain gradients.
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>>169519227
>>169518651
Initital tests indicate that you might also need to have soulstrike for this and be ranged to have sufficient distance to regularely recharge your shield for that to work.
Do not recommend it.
At least I experimented a bit just before the new league hits
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>>169537740
see >>169537557
feel free to point me out to a 300% proj speed build that can achieve that clear speed though

do you idiots even understand the definition of "melee"? if you whack thin air and some monster 2 screens away dies, it not exactly "melee" anymore
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>all those aoefags
>all those people actually playing shockwave
>all those "people" using melee splash

LMAO
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the unethical shall be branded and cast into the eternal flames of hell where fire will cleanse their sin
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add a virus and put it up on google drive
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>Fire Trap gains +1 radius every 3 levels
Is fire trap back?
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>>169538221
Fire Trap is the literal new Flameblast
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>>169532167
You are.
Look at RF and tell me it's an overall AoE nerf.
It's not,

I'ts just bringing AoE more inline across the board. Instead of some skills being the blatantly obvious AoE options, and thus endgame options period, now they're all similar in AoE capability, and so there's more skill balance.
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maybe, but who hasn't had more than their fill of firetrap
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>>169537562
please enlighten me as to how those nodes are worth more than life nodes.
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>>169538353
That's one fucking skill that they buffed. It's clear retards like you are why they showed that example first.
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Reave numbers for you all:

Current Reave 4 stacks: 1995 area
New Reave 4 stacks: 1847.25 area (-7.5% difference)
Current Reave 4 stacks + L20 Inc AoE: 3854.60 area
New Reave 4 stacks + L20 Inc AoE: 2752.40 area (-28.6% difference)

Current Reave 8 stacks: 4162.48 area
New Reave 8 stacks: 3078.75 area (-26.1% difference)
Current Reave 8 stacks + L20 Inc AoE: 8042.32 area
New Reave 8 stacks + L20 Inc AoE: 4587.34 area (-43% difference)
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>>169538221
which ascendancy to go tho
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>>169535314
Thanks for reading it for me.
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>this argument of yours doesn't count because I have selection bias
rofl
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>>169538461
you will get few hp boints but each so fuicking big that it will had to be beaten by two magic packs of big skelles for 5 days to disapear
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So since there's still going to be a few increased aoe items, does increased aoe happen before increased area or after?
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>people planning to go ES without hearing what the big ES change is

lol
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>all melee skills act like spells guys it's not true melee, it needs to be fixed

>WAAAAHHHHHH WHY CAN'T MY MELEE SKILL HIT ENEMIES 5 SCREENS AWAY ANYMORE
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reminder that if you use spreadsheets instead of r you are a philistine
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the big ES change was vaal disc

ggg wont nerf it further right? thatd be crazy
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>>169538787
do flameblast
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>>169539025
you have to go back
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After all of the crying about ES for years they'll burn it to the ground.
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>>169539121
Do it yourself.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jUwSRdgRFpyhlCp4FPgXUef5z8DwPMj3FmTlw49ZT78/edit?usp=sharing
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>>169538801
Saboteur
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>>169539337
muh prolif tho
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what if melee could move and attack at the same time like autoaim multistrike bullshit while you run around make it habeen xbox
:)
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>>169539086
"ES nerfs/reworks in some ways including a big one" are coming still
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>>169539218
Shut your unethical ass up
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give me some techno/dubstep to jam to i'm preparing a sick playlist for day 1 legacy push

anime is acceptable too
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>>169539564
what a shit taste
>>
Buff weapon range making Cyclone not dumpster

Next patch nerf all AOE but leave Cyclone out of the buffs, making it dumpster again

Guess it will still be used for Cospri people clearing maps in 30 seconds as they laugh at melee players
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>>169539564
darude sandstorrm
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>>169539564

plebian as fuck
>>
Lil B is the only thing you should be listening to, for his positive attitude keeps us going when things get rough.
TYBG
>>
>he listens to music after the invetion of brostep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW9iU22Yqz4
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>>169539086
The inc AoE gem nerf is worse for most of my ES builds than vaal disc. Though vaal disc nerf is certainly felt. ES still probably better.

You know that life is shit when even builds that usually go life go for ES instead.
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>>169539758
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEU6MHLzXSY
This is the only lil'b that's acceptable to listen to.
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FUCK KEVIN DURAAAAAAAAANT
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>>169539761
very nice
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fuck kd
>>
May as well post it here too. Expect these % difference numbers to be pretty similar for all skills that had their numbers unchanged.

Current Discharge + L20 Inc AoE: 5462.87 area
New Discharge + L20 Inc AoE: 4212.87 area (-22.9% difference)
Current Discharge + L20 Inc AoE + Amplify and Blast Radius clusters + Dying Sun: 11196.9 area
New Discharge + L20 Inc AoE + Amplify and Blast Radius clusters + Dying Sun: 6531.36 area (-41.7% difference)
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Is ST all there is left?
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Guess I'm going WI again next league since that's not really affected by the AoE changes.
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Blade Vortex got fucking BUFFED as long as you're using two clusters and the gem only at BV level 21.

This is fucking retarded.
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>>169540212
6 month ago you might have trouble to say what ST letters mean
or at least half of playerbase would have trouble
now look at it

elemental hit, RoA and others might be back one day too
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>>169540135
That's so stupid. Do they want you to only go freezing pulse or something?
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>>169540345
we don't have the patch notes yet, nor do we know if quality was affected (currently +1% radius per 2q), calm down
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>mfw i said making a build before the notes was retarded
>mfw when you shitcrows didn't listen
>wasted hours of your time
well who's laughing now!
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>>169540665
damn that is chuuni af
gz my man
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>>169539564
>dubstep
>jam
might as well listen to deathgrips
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>>169540665
i said i wouldn't punch you in the face if you didn't act like a faggot but you didn't listen
*clench fist*
well who's laughing now..
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shoutout to the wnba they got some fine ass girls i wanna fuck in the mouth
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>>169539564
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqwPjNGDuIQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mEmb9-Xssg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnzsd9sJqyA
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>>169535380
I can name an instance where this is not so. The map where you find Navali with that fire goat, he does like no damage at all.
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>>169540665
>mfw when
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>>169540819
This is relevant to Path of Exile..... HOW?
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>>169540875
Almost all monster skills use completely separate than the players they just look the same.
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Terrible music taste, people.
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>>169539564
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_tiOs7YVdg&list=PLF14CDD3DFEB01DC4
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>>169540665
i will go full "im12andwhatisthis" mode and success anyway, keep your advices for brotherhood of white pajamas, they need them
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Where are all you motherfuckers that were theorycrafting viper strike builds like two hours ago? Did this news completely break you?
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>>169540819
go bad news for you boyo

http://www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2017/02/23/58af128ce2704eca2b8b45ad.html
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>>169540883
>baited this easily
ku ku kuuuuu >:^)
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>>169540947
we talking about music so its relevant
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viper strike is stronger now than ever
*abyssal cries into the void*
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AHAHAHAH IM LAUGHING IM IN TEARS
WHAT HAS THIS RETARD WILSON DONE TO HIS FUCKING GAME?

Everyone told him "Normal diffculty is slow and boring" so what he did was gut aoe so that now the early game is 10 times slower and more boring, what A FUCKING IDIOT.

aoe has been divided by like 2, it stacks but reaches diminishing returns after like 1 cluster, and then dying suns were fucking nerfed to give less aoe, and then aoe on items was fucking nerfed too why not. So basically, even with aoe on gear and tree you can't clear even while gulping dying sun while before you only needed 1 aoe cluster and gem.

AHHHH WHAT THE FUCK THIS IS SO BAD SO SUCKY SO BORING SO AWKWARD SO MEDIOCRE GULP GULP GULP GULP IM OUT OF CHARGES GULP GULP OUT OF CHARGES IM NEVER GIVING YOU ANOTHER CENT YOU IDIOT YOU DESTROYED YOUR OWN GAME IM GONNA SIT BACK AND WATCH YOUR FACE WHEN YOU REALIZE EVERYONE IS PLAYING TOTEM THEN LEAVING THE GAME OUT OF MINDNUMBING BORINESS GULP GULP OUT OF CHARGES
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What are you all going to do with the unreserved mana you have by not running blasphemy any longer?
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>>169541094
neat my man you got any more like that?
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>>169538461
try it and see for yourself, I don't think I can convince you
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>>169541714
if you copy the url there's a whole playlist with samples from the artist from his albums
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>>169541697
It'll be fine. This should bring it more in line with its original design, which is to turn curses into an aura with opportunity cost attached, not freeze the entire screen with Blasphemy TC
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>>169540135
what the FUCK
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>>169541668
Necessary nerfs, now bow and projectile builds might be a comparable option instead of aoeing the screen with any aoe skill.
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>tfw praying not to get my build nerfed
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These are good changes and hopefully a good step toward unfucking this retarded meta we've been in

everyone crying should kill themselves
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>>169539715
Discharge is dumpstered though. You only have BV and projectile abilities.
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>>169541717
probably the worst argument in the entire thread, and boy is that saying something
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>>169541912
Blasphemy doesn't fucking do anything if it can't reach the mobs.
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>>169540135
rip
>>169542129
>probably the worst argument in the entire thread
probably because it's not one
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>>169542008
btw is any bow skill except RoA and CA that's also AoE skill? I can't recal any antm

does it mean that RoA will be meta as it can be scaled with AoE and proj/phys/bow mods?
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RF totems Chieftain will be unironically meta
imagine two of those babbies on screen
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>enabling Javascript
I bet you little niggers have websockets enabled too. Your computers must be a Trojan haven. Not to mention the majority of you who use discord.
Botnet.
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>>169542168
melee, close range spells, and defensive curses like tempchains

seems fine to me, regular cursing is total shite, people barely even use COH now
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>>169542168
So you tell me it'll change almost nothing for builds inherently in melee range but totemers will no longer be able to abuse it on top of hiding behind their totems? sounds good to me
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Young based God and my build is extra ethical
Fuck Malachai, pushed that bitch off his pedestal
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>>169542250
A skill that slow can never be meta.
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>>169523239
Have new uniques been leaked or something? I wanna see more
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>>169542232
Blast Rain 20 to 24
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>All sources of "Increased Radius of Area Skills" have been replaced with an increase to area. This means that rather than the area of the skill increasing geometrically as the player invests in the modifier to area scale, the radius gained per point of the stat will be lower and lower as heavy investment occurs, similar to diminishing returns.

Doesn't this mean that low-spread skills like Ground Slam and Ice Shot will get more radius per AoE point? Since they aren't full circles like most abilities, they should get more radius since there's less area right? GG wasn't retarded and scaled it always off a full circle right?
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>>169542008
I don't think you played windripper builds before. It already was one of the fastest clearspeed things in the game.
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>Trickster
>Weave the Arcane
>Cyclone + Life on Hit + Melee Damage + Faster attacks
>enough mana cost to trigger the damage reduction
>not channeled so 5 Chances per second to trigger the mana regain
>constant 8% damage reduction
>constant healing
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>>169542595
Going inquisitor windripper tornado shot already, plz nobody copy. Doomfletch Prism as backup/budget version.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbHa-pllnDU
You will all adjust to a new slate of "everything does X" and find all new things to hate.
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>>169542930
*dmg spike*
Oops lol
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>>169542990
reminder that accuracy double dips on crits and enfeeble map mod cucks such shit builds
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I recall somebody mention an updated death rush ring among other uniques, but I can't seem to find the information on it. I vaguely recall it being ziggyd, but I can't remember.

anybody recall?
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>>169543264
watch the legacy trailer
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Fuck you and fuck your ethics. I'm running flameblast spell totems next league
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>>169542083
BV damage nerf is still coming
ES nerf is still coming
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>Fuck you I'm not having fun next league
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIu7nAuh868
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi4mxG1RoOI
Is it ethical to listen to music while your flameblast totems do all of the work?
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Now that the cancer of AoE got its dose of chemo, how do we hit projectiles next? imo pierce should come with a less damage multiplier, we should also give projectiles a hard cap on distance traveled (say 0.5 screen width max)
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>>169543336
thx m8
https://youtu.be/xp_a226eg_U?t=176
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"melee"
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>>169542083
What about cyclone?
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>>169543125
>anything
*dmg spike*
Oops lol
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Example of ethical builds: a traditional summoner Necromancer, an Essence Drain Scion, a Righteous Fire Chieftain.
(Note that those ethical builds were not negatively affected by the 2.6 changes, as they are ethical).
Those builds rely on simple, effective concepts that are not reliant on double-dipping or instant leech.

Example of unethical builds: an ignite Flameblast Elementalist, poison BV Pathfinder, Blade Flurry Assassin.
(Note that those unethical builds were rightfully negatively affected by the 2.6 changes, as they are unethical)
Those builds rely on unethical double-dipped damage, or trivialize game content through instant leech abuse.
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>>169543649
If you fire a projectile IRL and it pierces, it still slows down.

I was theorycrafting and emailed them about the idea of -5% dmg per target hit. So it scales down as it hits things.
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opinions on rotgut?
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>>169543975
>Example of unethical builds: an ignite Flameblast Elementalist, poison BV Pathfinder, Blade Flurry Assassin.
>blade flurry
they increased the base so it's the same as before
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>>169543778
Nerfed. With the increased aoe gem and no other nodes you're at 77% of the previous area. It only gets worse if you have a dying sun or aoe from the tree/gear.
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>>169543975
Kill yourself.
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>>169544078
it was actually buffed
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>Blade Flurry
>negatively affected
the aoe got buffed lol
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>>169544078
hese are the skills which no longer gain increases to area of effect as they level:

Lacerate
Rain of Arrows
Blade Flurry
Blast Rain
Ground Slam
Static Strike
Cleave
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>>169544153
Suicide is unethical
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So is lacerate better or worse?
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>>169544029
if you really want onslaught why not just go with raider instead?
And if not, why not just use an onslaught flask that can do something else like removing bleed, freeze or shock? you could even roll it with Experimenter's so it lasts longer than Rotgut.
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>>169532598
>Last league play max aoe IB
>Give up a ton of points for more aoe IB explosion, more splash
>Like 129% increased aoe or around there
>Complete dumpster now

It wasn't even some top tier skill to being with, feels bad
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>>169543776

Because everyone has a +2 Disfavour, league only Uniques and a gimped skill tree just to run docks

Most Cyclone builds could barely hit a whole pack they whirled into
Now with nerf whos going to run a skill where you have to stop and go over same pack 2-3 times
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>>169544109
Did cyclone even use inc AoE and dying sun?

Ah well I gues.... wild strike is a good melee skill gem! ......

Ye league of projectiles it's going to be.
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unironically considering viper strike right now
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>>169544325
i want onslaught on bosses with raider and i want it to be sustainable
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>all these AoEcucks getting buttravaged

Finally, it is time for my Viper Strike build to shine
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>>169544397
the change specifically targets builds that stacked a ton of aoe, this is not the cyclone which at most had slayer aoe + templar amplify

cyclone is also somewhat of an oddball as it also scales with weapon range, which got a substantial buff recently, 2.5 I think
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unironically considering Glacial hammer right now.

You didn't use inc AoE with melee splash anyway. At least you can get 100% cold conversion with those new jewels and then crit, and double dip that with hrimburn.
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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbOrR5YGkjM
>Hardcucks don't even ATTEMPT shaper until 6 months after he's been released
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>>169544443
Dying sun is like vinktars, it makes nearly every build better
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reminder that ggg has never made a design decision with consoles in mind. they're an ethical gaming company.
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>>169544312

It didnt get any bonus buffs, just changed way its AOE gain when leveling gem

So like all other AOE, its now about 30% worse
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vinktar's dying sun srs when
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>>169544692
better to attempt it 6 months later in hardcore than to suicide 600 portals on it in shitcore, retard
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>>169544546
with a duration flask you have about 9 seconds of onslaught, wich should be enough for most fights
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>>169544776
>Dying Sun
>SRS
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gj quoting a fucking youtube link lowlife
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>>169544557
>inc aoe
>conc effect
fuck yea, fancy build
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>>169544521
>melee splash gets nerfed
>consider doing a single target build
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>>169544793
>suicide 600 portals
>on a 6 portal map
k
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>>169544935
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>>169544658

Yeah it got buffed so was decent
Now general AOE nerfs undo all that
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>>169544935
ihow insane is idea that ypu can make 1 aoe+utility and 1 single? aoe is for kiling trash, it can take it
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>>169504853
If you're confident you can farm the currency for 2x consuming darks and a 5L prophecy day1-2 then you're good. Oh and you need 2x atziri's promise too.

I played this last league as occultist. It was my second build and well. The damage is great, clear speed not so much. And you get fucked on Hydra and Chimera.

I'd recommend the Occultist version as a league starter for it's more tanky.
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How's Arc nowadays? I really wanted to make a build based on this spell back then but multi projectiles not working on it and chain making its really shit damage even lower was a huge turn off
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how mad is essence drain right now
>>
eatable
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>>169545236
AoE still nice
single target still crap

what else do you need to know? potentially still nice with elementalist and conflux+beacon of ruin though
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>>169545172
Pretty insane when you could do both with one skill.
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>>169545270
t3 for leveling
t1 end game
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>>169545321
How does triple totem arc hierophant sound?
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>>169545236
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkszLRitBZ0
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great speech
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>>169545236
it wasn;t bad in essence,
>2automatic4me

if you prefere automatic over stick you'll love it
well single suckcs but cmon, cant be gg for everything
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>>169545512
shittier than shit
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>>169545358
wharts that wunderswaffe names? Cyclone, Tornado Shoot?
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>>169545771
Anything without an AoE or melee tag.
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is there even a good lightning spell for single target? just seems trash in general for doing anything but farming
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>>169546206
vaal stormcall is usually used as lighting's single target.
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would not suggest ball lightning without aoe per level
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So did anyone else notice the melee splash diagram is wrong? They have the lines for their base level 20 gem backwards. It actually lost 3% AoE, not gained it.
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tendrils
hello??? can't you read what's in the manifesto
do we have to spell out the obvious for you every time
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>>169546512
dont care no one i play with plays melee
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>>169545212
Ok ok, I get it.
But then, what should I build for starter. It sound like EQ got nerfed.
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>>169546963
Noice.
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oh wow
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>>169546963
yo this piece of shit is actually pretty good now
>extra gore
oh wait nvm
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>>169546963
Actually a legit change
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>extra gore
remove this from the game
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can someone hold my hand
and tell me what to play
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>>169546963
That would have paired well with slayer but they removed that ascendancy.
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>>169547169
ice shot ranged attack totem deadeye
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>>169546963
willing to bet it would be made rarer than astramentis
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>>169547169
Cyclone Slayer
see >>169546963
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>2% leech on a single jewellery slot
>spells have to reserve 35% mana for warlord's mark
>and it doesn't work vs bosses or hexproof maps
can we delete spells already
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Haven't checked anything about this league except for the fact that its a legacy league, what the fuk is going to be meta and whats a good starter build
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is carnage heart going to be the same rarity as before
it's legit as fuck for slayer
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>extra lag
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>>169547549
nobody really knows just yet
wait for patch notes
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>>169547663
Oh, have patch notes not came out yet?
Also are there any good ways to get not shit builds besides make them yourself? I'm probably too retarded to make a homebrew build thats any good
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>why do spells have downsides :(:(:(
>>
we spend countless hours daily arguing over the stupidest shit or hinted patch change

there's gotta more to life than this
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this is all there is, bud
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>>169547723
>Also are there any good ways to get not shit builds besides make them yourself?
if you're new and casual, copy a guide

if you're experienced, open path of building and plan your build in 5 minutes
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>>169547746
spells don't have downsides
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>>169547226
>>169547290
They removed everything using AoE. So its still pretty bad if those proposed AoE changes actually go live.

This is why people didn't like it when GGG used to do those huge balance changes to ''broken'' stuff. They were often not fixing things that were actually broken because they are too bad at balancing the game. Just look at their nerf history, you see joke nerfs to skills like vaal groundslam (this was at a time when there was another skill, vaal spark, who had 4x the clearspeed).
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Wow great so a few complete trash tier uniques are going to be buffed to semi-trash, nothing more important to reveal/address like all the confusion and unanswered questions in their development manifesto threads...
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>>169548134
Hello Dark_Chicken
>>
wow great i think you're looking for projectpt's channel
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>>169547549
Anything with good clear independent of AOE tags, so it'll probably be bow league, depending on what happens to melee damage.
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>>169548418
Burning arrow?
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Is there a bow skill that can shoot projectiles that explode in AOE damage on my enemies and then those AOE damage explosions also create more AOE damage explosions
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>>169548418
>melee

>EVER being good
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>>169548000
they fucks up my cpu till it BSOD, hows that no a downside?
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>>169548595
sure, stack 5 fuses of EA and then switch to double obliteration wands
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> GGG nerfs all AoE so that it better fits for the xbox version
> No changes for life
> Melee nerfed
> Some other OP stuff nerfed, but not the actually great stuff

I'm pretty done with the balance team it's absolute ass.
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>want to play EQ slayer
>EQ is nerfed
>slayer is nerfed
Welp
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>>169547549

I'd assume shit like Lightning arrow will not be much affected by the AoE changes because their "AoE" comes from pierce more than anything.
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>>169548745
weren't you shitters arguing some time ago AoE heavy skills were tailored for XBONE gameplay? sounds like you just change your argument as often as ProjectPT trains his sphincter with his dragon dildo
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Reminder that good goys give GGG AT LEAST 10% of their earnings!
If you don't, you have absolutely NO right to complain about the game or its """problems""".
Freeloaders BTFO !
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>>169548595
Ice shot + Herald of Ice would count i guess
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>>169532676
Why wouldn't I just switch to projectile builds?
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from this shiggyd video it looks like the base damage of the vaal blade went from 35-65 to 48-86
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>>169548692
check your heatsink retard
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>>169532676
No one intelligent was complaining about clear speed or AoE.
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reddit post about old vs new flameblast radius (level 20 inc aoe, witch cluster)

i don't know enough about math to contest it but it doesn't look that significant if it's accurate
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>>169549163
It's roughly accurate. That's a 30% reduction in area.
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>>169532907
prolly split arrow
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>>169549163

wow it's nothing

flameblast league again
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>>169549247
>30% is nothing
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>>169549163
that's pretty fucking bad though
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>>169549284
>>169549287
it literally hits the entire screen
let alone if you put it on a totem or two
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>>169548919
>btfo of poeg shitters and projectards
based poster
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>>169549375
That's not the entire screen at all. Regardless, you're hitting 30% fewer enemies with each cast which is going to really hurt clear speed.
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>>169549375
>literally hits the entire screen
>covers ~50% of screen
:thinking:
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It's time to forget about melee ever being made a viable option and competitive anymore, lets face it this is beyond a joke, it's as if GGG keeps kicking the melee guys in the groin and just straight up mocking us right now.

5% buff to melee gems aka "this is a buff"

Nerf EQ, Cyclone

Nerf Blade flurry

Nerf Blade flurry again

Nerf Blade flurry again and again

Nerf AoE melee

Nerf EQ, Cyclone unmentioned aka still TBD on magnitude of nerf

Promise melee splash will be buffed, but nerf it

Nerf bombed Reave to oblivion

What above average melee skill have they not wrecked???

Never seen this type of prolonged abuse against a combat type in any game, ever.

It's over melee folks, best to just use off screen bow skill always has been always will be.
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I only play true ethical SSF hardcore. I delete every meta unique I find because it is unethical to keep it. When my character dies, I delete every item in every stash tab because it's not true ethical SSF hardcore otherwise. I Vorici break every six-link I land because it is unrealistic to ever six-link an item in true ethical SSF hardcore. I skip the Labyrinth because Ascendency Classes are unethical powerhouses. Every time a Vaal Orb drops, I immediately use it on a randomly equipped piece of gear to increase the challenge. I've had global chat and trade chat disabled since I got my beta invite back in 0.9.2d, the Merveil fireball optimisation and curse duration patch, because player interaction gave too much advantage. I've sent at least 84 emails to GGG support over the years asking for unlimited ignore player space so I can make sure that no one talks to me when I'm in town. I read and listen to every lorestone, notes, books to fully immerse myself in the true ethical SSF hardcore experience. Every time I go into this general and read the word "meta", "trading", "blade flurry", "clear speed", "Headhunter", so on and so on, I make sure to thrust my giant vibrating dildo one to three times to punish myself accordingly for tainting my TESSFHC experience. I've stolen at least a dozen credit cards from my parents to pay for the 3,250 normal stash tabs that I have to show my support for GGG and the true hardcore game that they have developed.
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>>169549076
it's i3 4130 and hd4400 setup, i can check , it won't change shit
>>
>>
>RF base radius increased by 4
>RF increases radius by 1 every 4 levels
God damn I wanna go RF SR next. But I'll probably hate it since I hate RF every other time.
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>>169548978
B-but ice skills aren't viable
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try playing 2.5 blight before you complain about babbyblast aoe

jesus christ that lack of perspective
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>>169549639
Nice pasta
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>>169549536
You forgot one EQ nerf in there somewhere. It was nerfed once, then nerfed again (initial rebalancing), then with the aka melee buff it was nerfed again. Then it got nerfed again when less duration was also affecting poison and bleed. Now it gets nerfed yet again.

Maybe GGG didn't realize that it wasn't EQ being OP, but that it was that people who wanted to play melee skills were all playing EQ because the rest was terrible? Same stuff with blade flurry.

Initially I thought cyclone to be fine because I thought the inc AoE stuff gave very little increased range but I was wrong about that too (haven't played it since 2.0).

I've never seen a dev who nerfed something underpowered 8 patches straight over multiple years. It's almost like they're intentionally trolling players with their balance.
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>>169549846
well, if you play blight you are actually playing abyssal cry supported by blight.
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>>169549757
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>>169549840
Unless they boost the damage by a shit ton RF is still going to be fucking garbage.
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>>169550213
i legit can't remember the last time i felt happy
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reddit is just a boogeym-
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>>169549980
It's just that the balance team legitimately doesn't play the game. You can see by their forum posts that show their achievements.
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I don't think you need to play the game to understand the glaring issues, open up a stream and you'll see that any aoe skill was retarded out of control, let alone with inc aoe, witch aoe, templar aoe, carcass jack, dying sun, or whatever +50% aoe they added over time, a nerf was due
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>>169550253
i wish i didnt.
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>>169550306

>posts a reddit screenshot

you have to go back
>>
why is reddit so dumb
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>>169550306
>analyzing shitty copy pasta

reddit everyone
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they tend to be smarter than us on average
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Any AoE skill will automatically outclass any skill that needs to make itself an AoE whether it's having these INCREDIBLY FUCKING DOGSHIT SUPPORT GEMS

>>>MELEE SPLASH - literally KILL YOURSELF tier

>>>More multiple projectiles - the opposite of what you want to do, reduce your damage, but muh clear - when any AoE skill can do the same naturally

>Chain
>Faster Projectiles

Like there's very little point to using these supports when people just stack all the damage or better clearing supports (faster casting/attacks, Inc AoE which has no damage reduction at all) for their limited 5/6 links
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>>169550253
Hey me too
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>>169550253
kudos for rolling sober but srsly , do some shit
you won't fuck urself up too bad, but just make a break from shitty life

just don't go full meth/crack/dope style, drugs are suppose to make you feel ok, not turn into gollum
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lying about reddit's intellect is not ethical
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Hey please spoon feed me like the baby I am and show me a good ice shot build guide
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>it's about ethics in video game development
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>high single target skill + melee splash
>somehow worse than medium aoe skill + inc aoe
your logic is illogical
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>>169540816
calm down tough guy, this is a family board
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AoE changes don't mean shit. We need to see the patch notes.
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>>169550306
I keep my distance from any circlejerk, what's PT referring to?
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>>169551257
>he said while posing in /poeg/
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ProjectPT
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>high aoe damage skill + inc aoe
>implying it's worse than high single target skill + melee splash

your logic is unethical
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>>169551257
are you retarded? fuck off to whatever place you came from
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>>169508450
>Chieftain gets totem leech
>isn't even THE totem ascendancy, just part of is it aligned that way
>Sabo doesn't get trap/mine leech
>is THE trap/mine ascendancy
>on top of that is THE 2ND WORST ascendancy in the game just above Ascendant
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>why can't I leech from this cluster shit I throw from a safe distance
trapper logic
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I've literally never played a mage before because I feel naked without plate armor. What am I missing out on?
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>Mu Legend just entered CBT2
>He is still playing Path of Excrement
OMG lol
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>>169551646
post tummy
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>>169551646
play a molten shell build dude it's free armour buff
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I'm a baby, so answer these questions. Around what level should I do the ascendancy stuff? Is slayer a good one?
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35/65/75/80+
yes
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>TFW your boss denies your time off for legacy league as he is already taking it off for the same thing.

I was going to burn 6 days of PTO for it too...
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>>169551776
Do it when you're ten levels over the labyrinth area
Do the trials as soon as you arrive at their areas

Depends on what your build is
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>>169540665
my super secret build is still unnafected
>2017
>going melee
>relying on aoe pre .2.6
My build is 100% sure to not be touched, you cant beat me.
Hell, actually, Im planning to switch to RF later so I actually got a buff.

You are all retarded, especially catposter
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>>169552036
>>169552036
>>169552036
>>169552036
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*doesnt make a new thread*
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>>169551962
Your boss is a class traitor AND a class cuck
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>>169551978
I just wanna use two handers as a duelist. I don't know what kind of build to use for that
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>>169546206
Lewd Tendrils
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>>169551572
But everyone else can leech from distance, what do you mean?
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