/dsg/ - Demon's/Dark Souls General

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1st for best dragon

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This thread is now blessed by Gravelord Nito and the Pardoners of Velka.

How come you never see someone using Dancer's Swords in PVP?

>>169431380
It's time for me to change that

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Dark Souls 2 is the

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xth for elite-dark wraith using baby dragon heads as shields

>>169431380
>+5 Scaling D D D D

>>169431469
Ugliest game in the series.

No seriously, why it looks worse than Demon's Souls?

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>>169431234

Fight club

>>169431495
fug xDDDD

>>169431469
best kings fields game

>>169431380
no way to maximize its damage in a SL120 build because it scales with 4 stats

Dark Souls 2 had the best NPCs and most coherent questlines

>>169431548
technical downgrades and raped dev time baabbyyyyy
but seriously fuck bamco

>>169431623
That's the most awful opinion I have ever read about Dark Souls II

>>169431623
LOL

>>169431567

Where?

>tfw haven't joined any fcs in weeks

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>>169431623
>mandatory boss summons
shitty as fuck
But yeah I liked the NPCs, but I think a lot of it is by virtue of them not fucking killing themselves for no reason.

Vengarl is based.

>>169431623
im not sure about that

Cale fucking sucked and had the most boring quest ever where he just repeats the same line over and over

saulden was a weak carbon copy of cresfallen knight

licia was a weak carbon copy of lautrec

benhart and lucatiel's quests were okay i guess

>>169431835
>Vengarl
Why his set isn't on DS3? Literally everyone weared his helmet

>>169431623
Or, perhaps...

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Welp, I'm glad this playthrough is over.
Dark Souls 2's miracles seem to be the worst offenders when it comes to all of them being some variation of "this could be fun, but isn't"

phase 3 friede combos go on for WAY TOO FUCKING LONG

>>169432156
have you done the DLC comrade

>>169431845
>licia was a weak carbon copy of lautrec

how tho? she doesn't help you in boss fights and then later betray you?

her only link with carim is the same as eygons: Which is that everyone from Carim is a bit of an ass.

Anyone want to help me kill wolnir on PS4?

>>169432156
That's because it was at its peak in dark souls 2 before taking what is probably the hardest nerf in the series

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>mfw I just realized that the rot in the painted world started all the way back in DS1

I hate most of vanilla dark souls 2, but being summoned as a Mirror Knight minion was one of the most fun experiences I ever had in Souls multiplayer.

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>>169432298
Sure have, boss. Have done everything but Frigid Outskirts.
Brume Tower is probably my second favorite location in the franchise design-wise after Ash Lake.

>>169432202
Only if you're too close. She'll stop once you get some distance.

Anyone got any recommendations on ReShades for DS3?

>>169432538
the painting in DaS3 is a different painting tho

>>169432591
>Have done everything but Frigid Outskirts.
you're not missing out on much
who was your favorite boss

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So we have two missing daughters of chaos, what do you think ended up happening to them?

Before you say they're the nodes on the Bed of Chaos, neither of those have bodies in their center like where the Witch of Izalith is in the center of the Bed. They would've been mangled bug things, not completely disintegrated nothing.

What happened to them>

>take away yhorms stormruler and wolnirs bracelets but reduce their health by half

y/n???

>>169432595
she closes distance through the whole map in a split second

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>>169432687
I think it's a tight spot between Fume Knight and Sir Alonne. It's hard to judge Sir Alonne's boss fight fairly because while it is excellent, the area leading up to it in the Memory of the Old Iron King is just utterly terrible.

>>169432761
They died

>>169432842
no

they're meant to be gimmick fights, their movesets are based around it.

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>>169432887
Fume was overrated.

>>169432995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WagY0KJ7dc

every boss was overrated

>>169432887
Killing Sir Alonne without taking any damage makes him kill himself

I thought it was pretty cool.

>>169432842
Here's an alternate idea:
Add an alternate mode to Yhorm's boss fight, where if you have any piece of Catarina equipment equipped as you enter the boss room, he recognizes it as Siegward's equipment and enters a rage mode where he attacks faster, is completely immune to the Stormruler's special attack, but takes a lot more damage.

A bit like Fume Knight's enrage mode if he sees you wearing Velstadt's helmet.

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What's your proudest moment so far /dsg/?

>Finally beat Nameless King with no summons only using 3 estus.

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>>169432887
i'm suffering from the same dilemma as you
on one hand Alonne's boss room, moveset and theme are far cooler than Fume's
on the other, Fume is a much more engaging fight in general

>>169432882
Sure, if she's not locked into a combo.
Just move the fuck away once she starts going wild and she'll stop to close the gap with a move you can actually dodge and punish.

>>169433207
When I finished the ENB challenge in Dark Souls 1 some time ago, that shit was pure suffering, but it felt so good after finishing it.

>>169433207
>he thinks that's impressive

see >>169433076

>>169433207
Beating a no summon challenge run

>>169433207
When my 13 year old nephew killed Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff, without estus, the little runt didn't know what estus did, and he could just read the descriptions on items, since he doesn't understand english.

Pic related is the real soul of the pygmy

The "dark soul" is a corruption; the pygmy and all of humanity was branded with a curse, for commiting a great sin. The curse causes one's soul to burn away, leaving it dark and hollow.

This is the same curse enemies inflict in the game, and you dont need to be human to become cursed, which is what happened to artorias.

>>169433284
what is the ENB challenge?

>>169433337
>Using summons in Dark Souls
>Ever
I always try to convince myself that most people don't do that.

>>169433207
My proudest moment was robbed from me by a case of poorly matching hitboxes. It was supposed to be me killing both Pontiff Beasts in the aquifer at the same time.

>>169433207
On my must recent run of 1 I beat Manus and Kalameet first try with 1 or 2 heals each. Not that impressive but I was happy with myself.

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>>169433337
>Beating a no summon challenge run

>no summons is a challenge run.

>No summons challenge run.

is the anon who was getting his ass kicked by dancer and didn't know shit about how to build in DaS3?

watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT_XxDsW_-0

just do this, that's how you beat the dancer

you bleed her like a pig with carthus rouge

>>169433423
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpHhULNf5rs

Rules.

>#1 You may not level.
>#2 With the exception of rings, you may only use your starting equipment.

>#3 The only Blacksmiths who may Modify your equipment are Andre and Rickert.
>Normal, Raw, Divine, Occult, Magic, and Enchanted are ok.
>Fire and Lightning are NOT allowed.

>#4 You may not use any healing items during a boss battle. Clerics can cast heal with no restrictions.
>#5 You may not enter new covenants. (If you are a knight / cleric, Way of White is allowed.)
>#6 You may not upgrade your pyromancy flame.
>#7 No summons.

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>>169433402

Fuck, pic related is the pygmies soul.

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>>169433337
> no summon challenge run

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>>169433337
>not summoning is a challenge run for some people

>>169433337
This used to considered the default way to complete your first playthrough. How far /dsg/ has fallen.

I always summon npcs if I can

>>169433449
>>169433548
>>169433670
You guys laugh at him, while I was invading in Dragon Belfry most if not every host at the very least two phantoms, some had three. They weren't even ganking. I feel like if you've gotten through the entire game not summoning once you're probably in the top 1 percent of souls players.

What the shit, 4 kangs is pushing my shit in.

I just started NG+ and am at 80 SL, how much of an upgrade did they get???

>>169433449
>summoned Gotthard and Anri for Sulyvahn today because I just couldn't be bothered
Still nearly got nailed.

I've convinced myself that if I have beaten a boss with no deaths on at least one character, then I am well within my rights to summon for it one subsequent characters.

>>169433814
>I feel like if you've gotten through the entire game not summoning once you're probably in the top 1 percent of souls players.
I refuse to believe that.

>>169433619
>>169433402

The dark soul, humanity, is cursed. The curse causes the soul to blot out and slowly rot and burn away, causing the aoul to become "dark". This eventually causes one to go hollow

>>169433785
You're not one to talk, you fucking shitter.

Fuck off.

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>>169431548
They scaled down the game massively from what was intended, textures, lighting and all.

Some areas in DS2 actually look really fucking nice and when walking around in the Forest of Fallen Giants I'm almost crying because it's a really good level both in gameplay design and atmosphere and if the rest of the game was up to par I would like DS2 a lot.

DS2's lighting also makes it look really fucking dull because they cut the lighting engine.

In Fotfg the art style of the area was coherent, the level started out with a nice little intro with you following a brook into an overgrown crumbled ruin that lead you deeper into the fortress proper. The environmental decay in the area seemed fairly plausible, the skybox was cool looking and ominous with dark clouds, there was true ambience due to the particle effects in the air and the crows circling around the tower that you can also hear.

The level also features actual physical shortcuts and is mostly based around one bonfire. While the lighting was cut, it had originally pretty clever usage of area lighting and the interior look really good with the torch on hand. The enemy encounters are designed cleverly and the Pursuer was a really fucking neat piece of design.

Am I the only one who likes to beat dancer early then hold off deacons as long as I can to meet them utterly overpowered and just empty the room?

>>169433882
It's fine if you already beat the game once

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>>169433814
> I feel like if you've gotten through the entire game not summoning once you're probably in the top 1 percent of souls players.

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>>169433402
>>169433619

Check out the soul of aldritch, it's dark and gloomy but look closer. there's a white soul inside of it. The deep blue is meant to be the soul "burning" or being corrupted by deep

Tbh I don't mind summoning my first time through if I really hit a wall, gives me a goal for future playthroughs. But people who summon on their first attempt are shitters.

>>169433996
>Pursuer was a really fucking neat piece of design.

I wish they used him more often, and other bosses too. The Duke's Dear Freja ambush in New Game Plus was pretty cool, wished the other bosses had moments like that.

>>169434325

Don't you think it takes the edge off your victory if you summon? It just doesn't feel as satisfying when summoning.

>>169433960
I have only gotten better.

>>169433423
>what is the ENB challenge?
Playing until you're ready to take on King Allant and then aborting the run, never to finish DeS on camera despite streaming as a day job and saying you love DeS the most out of Soulsborne games. Can you tell that I am salty?

>>169433207
Beating Ludwig.

>>169434579
>aborting the run

Heh

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>final DLC boss has 5 phases with full lifebar restoration each time
>he's by far the hardest boss in series, you can't summon help for him or replenish estus between phases
How would you react?

>>169434473
Oh totally, and I do feel a little bad doing it, but then it makes eventually beating them later more satisfying, like I've really improved over my time playing.

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How did Team B get away with this?

>>169434579
>tfw I've played up to allant twice now but haven't actually finished him

I didn't even know I was doing the ENB run!

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>>169433785
So was actually beating a chalice dungeon.

>>169434710
Fight him until I win, anon.

>>169434812

It's a DaS1 reference.

>>169434710
Suck it up.

>>169434579
>never to finish DeS on camera despite streaming as a day job and saying you love DeS the most out of Soulsborne games
But he always said that he likes Dark Souls the most.
>>169434710
>Life bar restoration
This where it fucked up, 5 hp bars is way too much for a souls game. It would be fine if was 5 phases with two hp bars.

>>169434710
As long as he doesn't have a resistance or gimmick that makes him almost impossible for certain builds, I'd say that's a perfect final boss. I want it to be undeniably, extremely challenging.

>>169434710
when have you ever been able to replenish estus between phases?

the no summons would just be a shitter filter, anyone worth their salt does all bosses solo anyway.

>>169434710
I would only wonder how long until a SL1 no dodge, no parry, no block video of him pops up

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>>169434862

>>169434962
>the no summons would just be a shitter filter, anyone worth their salt does all bosses solo anyway.
It'd suck pretty fucking hard for people who like to help others through bosses, or people who like to fight a boss multiple times without starting a new character or going into the next cycle.

>>169434710
That just sounds stupid.
If your idea of making something 'hard' is just by making the boss' healthbar super duper long then I question your ability to design videogames, especially if it's coupled with withholding information from the player.

At least if you're giving the boss a fucktonne of health be honest with how much health the boss has.

>>169433814
The majority of the people who play DeS do it solo because there are very few people playing, they want to manipulate their world tendency and there is no NPC summoning.

>>169434473
Usually I'd say no summons, ever, but summoning Tarkus to style on the Iron Golem is something worth seeing, and to do that you have to make it through Sen's while human which is enough of a feat by itself.

>Today I awake up ready to waste hundreds of hours of my time punching the balls of a decrepit man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDsIStC0hio

>>169435246
>and to do that you have to make it through Sen's while human
wut
There's a bonfire 30s away from his summon sign

>>169434962
>anyone worth their salt

So, less than 1% of the playerbase?

>>169435472
I think that 1% is a very low estimate. It should be about 10%

>>169435441
I always hate it when I fall for those

>>169435441
You realize that image was made during DaS2 threads, right? I have it saved from years ago.

2 is still way worse about it.

>>169434925
There is almost no difference between 2 phases with 2500 hp in each bar or 5 phases with 1000 hp in each bar

Hi guys.

I never finished DSIII and reinstalled my OS so I'm starting a new game. I did a faith build last game but that was garbage because there are 0 good faith weapons.

What's the go-to shit now? I don't have any DLC by the way

>>169431162
Can anyone help beat Aldrich, Devourer of Gods on PC? I am level 60 with a +4 weapon. I am struggling bad

>>169435660

cuming

>>169435553
I am literally the only person I know who always solos bosses on my first run, and I know at least 30+ people who play Souls. I'd love to estimate it being that high.

>>169434925
If you have followed his streams, whenever asked which Soulsborne game is his favorite he responds almost invariably with DeS. He has played the most of DaS1 on cam and it is his favorite of the DARK SOULS games, but as far as Soulsborne in general goes, it's his favorite.

>>169434670
Let's not go there anon. His autism about some souls stuff notwithstanding he's a pretty cool and friendly guy. I literally cried when I learnt he was going through some super rough times.

>>169435726
Sounds like you just have shit taste in friends

>>169435657

Are you still planning on doing a faith build?

>>169435441
Uh-huh. Stop rolling early.

>>169435657
Greatswords have been steadily buffed in recent patches, so now would be a good time to try those.

>>169435615
Multiple bars result in /dsg/ autistically screeching about how it lied to them and blaming it for losing.

>>169435809
Nah
>>169435849
Noice. I've been playing the Berserk game so this will do nicely.

>>169435657
Weeblord run with quality refined washing pole.
That or good old ultra greatsword.

>>169435615
I thought it was obvious that I meant a boss with only one life bar and 5 different phases, like for example, Dancer has two phases but only one life bar.

>>169435660
>>169435724

Outside fog gate pass dsg

>>169435441
That is actually really good enemy / combat design as long as it's also reflected in animations. Using the players' way of thinking against them is a good idea, as is incentivizing strategies other than mindless rollmashing.

>>169435981
Sorry ive never put in a pw before, give me a quick rundown. Im outside the gate aswell

>>169435175
Not having the achievements didn't stop you from talking shit, why should anyone listen to what you have to say?

>>169436046

system
network
password matching

>>169435905

Uh, well, straight swords still outclass just about everything, but greatswords have gotten a lot of love recently.

Mirrah, Judgement, Flamberge-- they're all pretty good.

>>169435607
I don't even remember DS2 enemies being even remotely threatening or using this type of attack patterns while half of DS3 enemies are using it and i really like it.

What ending would Prince Lothric have picked?

Did he just not want to link the fire himself, or did he want it to burn out?

>>169435441
The easiest enemies in DS3 are the ones that don't do this like the Black K***hts. If you're coming straight from DS1 like a lot of people shit like that will catch you the first time and force you to rethink your play style.

>>169435972
My point is, if Dancer had half her current HP but upon dying grabbed her sword and refilled the bar, there'd be almost no change. That's all there is. If Friede just had a huge HP bar and started the cutscene when losing a third of it, is it that relevant?

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>>169435905
>the Berserk game
idolm@ster?

Hardest bosses in each game:
>Demon's Souls
1. King Allant
2. Man Eater
3. Flamelurker
>Dark Souls 1
1. O&S
2. Kalamet
3. Manus
>Dark Souls 2
1. 2 Cats
2. Elana
3. Fume
>Dark Souls 3
1. Dancer
2. Pontiff
3. Aldrich

>>169436248
He specifically tells you which ending he prefers.

You fucking retard.

>>169436259
DS3 black knights are still way stronger than DS1 ones.
I think they are like twice fast at the very least and have way more aggressive combos.
Silver knights are the real niggers though, or at least they were before people cried and forced From to nerf them.

>>169436389
Okay, you're a fucking troll.

>>169436083
Because I am not a neo-gamer that cares more about digital participation trophies than the games themselves.

>>169436194
DS3 enemies lunge as they attack or rush during the prep. DS2 was notorious for the enemy winding up the attack, and then waddling a variable distance after you to be close enough to finish the last few frames, pausing it in the meantime. It mostly just looked really stupid and felt cheap every time you were surprised about it, but didn't do much to make them threatening.

>>169436517
What do you disagree with?

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Jesus fucking christ i forgot how bad DS2 bosses are.
Were devs forced to balance the game around zero agility or something? Because i can simply walk around most bosses and they will never hit me for shit.

Also is it me or most humanoid DS2 bosses straight share attack patterns and tactics with some insignificant variations in them?

>>169436891
That is one of the dumbest images I have ever seen.

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>>169433207
DaS2 blueberry arena

was up against someone who was using CE so that they couldn't take damage, luckily for me they where just a script kiddy so it didn't nullify reposte damage.

parrying that fuck to death through all his estus was fucking tense

>>169435767
You cried?
Topkek, how do you make it through the day knowing what happens in the world?

>>169436389
>Aldrich

I actually really like his fight for some reason but he goes down in no time at all and all his attacks are easy to dodge, even the phase 2 arrows are a non-issue if you just do a u-turn. Nameless is far harder. I'd swap out Pontiff or Dancer with the Champ too. Other than that I agree, same with 1 and 2, never got around to DeS.

>>169435767
>he responds almost invariably with DeS.
That's surprising, I could swear he that preferred Dark Souls 1.
>>169436891
The biggest problem problem with Dark Souls 2 bosses is that almost all of them basically all have the same behavior and attack pattern and the ones that are different are a fucking joke in terms of difficulty.

Wait wait wait.
Soul Memory in DaS 2 isn't based on souls SPENT, it's based on souls COLLECTED? What kind of retarded logic is that? So if I collect 100k souls and die twice, those souls are gone but I still get the memory for it?

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Why aren't we holding fight clubs here? Offline area by any chance?

>>169437263
Yes.
Now you understand why a huge chunk of playerbase fucking hates DS2, anon.

>>169433207
So far, in three consecutive playthroughs and since starting the game, never died once to Champion Gundyr. That's ng, ng+ and ng++. That was before he became a meme. I also never died to Nito and some other weak bosses.

>>169437420
SM is the least of DS2's problems.

>>169436602
Dancer, Pontiff or Aldrich being top 3 hardest bosses in DS3.

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>>169434710
That would be an amazing challenge.

>>169437308
Bad spawns
Demon ruins PTSD

>>169437107
Killing hackers is the best feeling in the world.

>Guy invades twinked out of his fucking mind
>Get him down to one more hit
>He hacks in health
>Starts skating around
>Manage to get a backstab
>He starts panicking, his health bar is going crazy at this point, manage to finish him off in between hacks
>Invader vanquished
>Get 2.6 million souls

This was in Oolacile and I ended up losing the majority of those souls but holy shit my adrenaline spiked when I saw them hit seven digits.

>>169437542
Oh no, it's a fundamental problem that utterly fucked online component. Just because DS2 has fundamental problems in virtually every single other area too it doesn't make SM less of a terrible decision.

>>169437569
What are the hardest in your opinion? For the record, I also find Lothric Prince and Soul of Cinder harder than NK.

>>169437263
welcome to Dark souls 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5_tdfxYcQU

>>169437308
>BW

I hope you're using an Untrue Dark Ring with that.

>>169433204
Onionbro and Yhorm were buddies, not ennemies

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>>169434710
>main DS3 theme starts playing in last phase

>>169432842
>>take away yhorms stormruler and wolnirs bracelets but reduce their health by half

No, Yhorm is fine without stormruler. No need to fuck with his HP.

>>169437751
Doing 2-3k damage with a dagger backstab/parry was one of the hilarious things in DKS2, too bad they nerfed.

>>169437675
Yet all of those bosses are harder than, Dancer, Pontiff or Aldritch.

Even Oceiros is harder than any of them.

>>169437770
Yes, and you're not Onionbro, but are wearing his armor.
Do the math, Anon

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>>169437753
Why would I? I looks wonderful

>>169434297
Or it could be trapboy's soul, what remains of it

>>169437263
it gets even better, there are hexes that consume souls on use, the ultimate called climax consumed all souls carried.

basically to use those spells you have to continue to bloat your SM

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>>169435175
>it actually lost hours of its life getting all achievements because random people on internet bullied it

>>169437998
For you, my friend. You seem to be new to Souls games, but people have different experiences with each boss depending on their playstyle, build and mentality.

Personally, I found the Dancer and Pontiff extremely hard, whereas I beat the NK in 4 tries.

>>169437946
I miss golfswings most of all, they made bridge duels and invasions in certain areas so much more fun

I went from DS3 to DS2. Loved 3 and can't stand 2 so far. Is there a build I should go for to make it more enjoyable or is it just a shit game?

>>169438183
dumb trumpposter

>>169434340
NG+ should have had the pursuer actually hunt your ass down

Instead of being a set encounter they could appear anywhere at any time

I suppose SOTFS tried to make Pursuer more of a constant threat, but he stops showing up halfway through the game iirc

>>169438285
>Is there a build I should go for to make it more enjoyable or is it just a shit game?
Beat the game in whatever way is most fun for you and then, play the DLC, it's pretty good and much better than the vanilla game.

>>169438285
the only way to get at least some enjoyment from 2 is by going full UGS/greathammer build with shitton of armor

>>169436389
>King Allant
>hardest of DeS

He's piss easy.
I would put Flamefucker first then Man Eaters. I can't think of a 3rd hardest for DeS, these 2 are the only ones I only have real trouble with.

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>>169431928
I wear the Elite Knight helmet with everything that has normal color metal.

>>169438408
>>169438416

I like using heavier weapons and dodging but I'm not a fan of it in DS2. I dunno if I just have to get used to how it plays or what

>>169438005
How the heck would you know who it actually is with that helmet ? Especially Yhorm couldn't really see who it is unless he's really close

Fight club?

>>169438598
if you don't like how ds2 feels just drop it, it will always play like if you're underwater compared to 1/3

>>169433207
I beat the 4kings at SL1 two nights ago and became a dickwraith

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>>169438267
>They nerfed goalswings
>They nerfed backstabs and riposites
>They nerfed Vanquisher Seal
>They made sorcery literally useless.
>They nerfed Monastery and parry in general
Dark Souls II pvp used to be fun

>>169436389
>Elana
What

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>>169438007
>not blue

wat

Did that get changed? I quit playing for a long while and just recently did the first DLC.

>>169438767
The hardest boss in Dark Souls II DLC.

>>169438183
Actually, I only got all the trophies because they were given a tangible benefit.

>>169438231
>For you, my friend. You seem to be new to Souls games, but people have different experiences with each boss depending on their playstyle, build and mentality.

Empty insults, I killed Dancer severly underleveled because I got stuck, not knowing I had gotten the Doll to open the forcefield locking out Irithyll from Deacons. She's extremely predictable, and weak to easilly accessable weapons, which trivializes her even when you're trying to get past her really early.

I killed Pontiff on my first try.

Aldritch is a joke with his tail hanging so far outside his range and his arrow volley being stupidly easy to read trough.

Yet, I am not calling your arrogant ass "new" because you have different opinion.

>>169438878

Unless she summons the piggies instead of Velstadt.

>>169438878
What
Well maybe if she summons Velstadt, I guess, although I haven't ever actually got to experience that. With Skeletons she isn't bad.

What's the most hard-hitting DEX weapon in DS1? Is it the Great Scythe?

>all the lords of cinder melt to lightning

Gwyn would be disappointed.

>>169439114
Gwyn is weak to lightning too

O&S is the only boss fight in the base game not weak to lightning

@169438905
Whatever makes you sleep at night, lucifag

>>169438935
Such a defensive answer, for absolutely no reason, who hurt you, anon?

First, new isn't really a insult. Second, I only said that because you were trying to impose your opinion on me and was mostly trying to imply that there's a objective way to decide which boss is harder, when it's a matter of perspective. But really, you seem extremely offended and defensive just because I implied that you are a new, did I hit the spot?

>Yet, I am not calling your arrogant ass "new" because you have different opinion.
Why I am arrogant? I stated a opinion, you basically said my opinion was wrong and now here you are, trying to boost about things you did in the game. So tell me, how's the arrogant one, friend?

>if only I were a woman

what did he mean by this

>>169439387
>So tell me, how's the arrogant one, friend?
The person who made a list titled "Hardest bosses in each game:"

>>169438845
what are you talking about? its never been blue

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Alright dear /dsg/, after just finishing this faith run in DS2 I have decided to start a new one.
Is Power Stancing any fun? I'm torn between getting the heaviest arms and armor I can find and powerstancing everything that exists, or playing a Hexer [I'm working off the assumption that humanity-based magic in 2 is actually functional and viable to use and beat bosses with without the need of a side weapon, as opposed to miracles which are definitely not. Please correct me if I'm wrong].
Suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>>169438007

shut the fuck up scas

>>169439508
So the person who was trying to strike a discussion about people's opinions on the hardest bosses? I thought that this general was made for discussion about the game.

Seems I was wrong

>>169439293
>Gwyn is weak to lightning too
no
http://darksouls.wikidot.com/gwyn-lord-of-cinder#toc4

>>169439534
Scas is my waifu, do not bully

>>169438845

way of white miracles are white anon

>>169439534
how can you tell

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>These tags.

>>169440058
they look accurate to me

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>you reached the king's chamber in the ringed city
>you kill the furtive pygmy
>you take the Soul of Man
>it looks like this

what would your unironic reaction be, ?

>>169439620
If you wanted discussion about it, you got some.

Instead of discussing it, you went all "My opinion is right" Why not preface your post with something like "What do you think are the hardest bosses, he's my opinion"

Instead you came off as arrogant cunt, and when people called you out for your idiotic list, you went defensive.

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>>169440152
>Why the literal, metaphorical, convoluted and transitory fuck is it not a flame, and why don't they call it the Dark Soul anymore?

>>169440272

it's only a flame when it's on fire

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>>169440058
I guess they allow any tags since it's yet to be released.

NMS WON

>>169439030
I actually think the Skeletons are worse than Velstadt. I also fought her on NG+ with covenant of champions, so maybe it's because of that.
Here's why I think she's the hardest:
-Can easily punish estus spam even she's far way due to the black magic
-It's hard to actually land hits on her with Vestadt or Skeletons chasing you because she also attacks when you get near and hits extremely hard. And you have to get away from her once the mobs get close to you
-Kills you with two hits, even with 3k HP
-Insane HP, even with Chaos blade+5 buffed or Espada Ropera+10, which was what I was using

I guess that I have a problem with her because you have to pay attention to too much shit, whereas the fight against Fume and Alonne are simply one on one, you just have to learn pay attention to them and them alone.

>it's considered scummy to hit someone while they're buffing
>especially when it's their third or fourth buff
lol

>>169440520

b-buffs are better than infusion noob, d-don't hit me while I stand still for 3 seconds to use one.

>>169438765
Monscim was fucking disgusting and you know it.

>>169440520
>see someone do ariandel buff
>run in for a backstab

>>169440520
Even better. Let them use all the buffs, then throw a duel charm right at the end.

>>169440813
>using a whip
don't they already have it hard enough?

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guys, what's the little black thing that's burning in the soul of the lords? is it humanity? is the soul of the lords just a lump of burning humanity?

>>169440207
>you went all "My opinion is right"
What? That's literally the opposite of what I said, here:
>>169436517
>>169436602
>>169437675
>>169438231
Since the beginning of the argument you were the one trying to downplay my opinion whereas I was simply asking yours. I never once said my opinion was right, I said that thinking that your opinion about the hardest boss is the only right one is generally the mark of someone new, then you got offended, probably because I was right.

>"What do you think are the hardest bosses, he's my opinion"
You are yet again, proving that you are new. If something like this is enough to trigger your autismo, you don't have any place discussing here. See the other replies to me, none of the other posters who ass ravaged like you, which is understandable, because only extremely sensitive people would react to my posts the way you did.


>when people called you out for your idiotic list, you went defensive.
Not people, (You) were the only one who did that, because you are defensive yourself. Not only that, as you lack imagination and creative, as proven by the fact that you said the same thing as me, sad.

>>169440870

it's the soul of man anon, when you finish the DLC2 and learn that's what it is, you can give it to the painter girl for the worst miracle in the game

>>169440207
Not him, but you sound like a huge faggot.

>>169440870
>>169441037

MFW ashen one's can't go undead because their humanity was amalgamated into the soul of the lords when they linked the fire in their previous life

MFW Frampt's master plan was to get as much of the dark soul into the flame as possible so that it would one day be usurped by the next dark lord

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>>169439510
>>169439914

QUIT GASLIGHTING ME IT WAS ALWAYS A LIGHT BLUE

>>169440724
It wasn't, parrying bosses and parrying entire gank squads was fun as fuck.

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>>169440870
Well if you WANT a lore explanation rather than simply accepting it as a small design detail of no consequence, try this:
Humanity is merely a fragment of the Dark Soul, so it can't be that. But the Dark Soul is also a Lord Soul, just one of a different nature and not really attuned to Fire as the others are. The same way that Humanity is a mass of darkness with a white-ish border, the Lord Souls having a small core of dark from which the bright flames sprout from isn't all that weird.

It isn't consistent with earlier depictions of the things either.

>>169441309
No anon you're crazy

guys I think he's fucking right wasn't it blue? Also I remember there was a patch where you didn't have to equip untrue dark to get non-gay looking weapon buffs

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justify this

>>169441337
>Humanity is merely a fragment of the Dark Soul

miyazaki said that every humanity is an intact lord soul

Invade some kid, go up a later and "Soul of a Great Champion" is just sitting there. Wtf?

>>169441337

OR the soul of lords IS the dark soul, and humans have to kindle it with humanity fragments once in a while to keep it burning.

>>169441573
Because dex weapons are lighter. Duh.

>>169441584
I've wanted to see a source on this forever.

>>169441573
bleeding metal is very heavy

>>169441309
Its okay anon you simply were mistaken, it's only natural when you're a human

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>>169440272

when a soul gets big enough it gets all wonky-fucky, so the little white bits could just be too small to burn

>>169441584
Even if the shards can reform into entire things starfish-style they all came from a primordial soul at one point. You can still trace all Humanity to a single source.

>>169441702
The Souls of Lords wane in power as the Fire fades, the Dark Soul does the opposite. They're separate things, just part of the same category as sort of "greater souls" found in the First Flame.

>>169441573
>that little piece clipping into the shoulder

REEEE FUCK YOU FROMSOFT MODELERS I HOPE YOU ALL GET IN A CAR ACCIDENT THAT DESTROYS YOUR HANDS

>>169441881
>Even if the shards can reform into entire things starfish-style they all came from a primordial soul at one point. You can still trace all Humanity to a single source.

That explains why rats drop humanities.

They eat corpses.

>>169441750
but the bastard sword which is even smaller also weights 8

>>169441881

I don't think you fully understand what you're talking about.

>>169441573
I want the snek Flamberge from 1 back, and as a Dex weapon rather than yet another quality like 3's is.

Invade some kid, go up a later and "Soul of a Great Champion" is just sitting there. Wtf?

>>169442030
Would you like to give any reason for that, or...?

>>169441612
>>169442079

is this a meme I'm unaware of

There's an Impromptu fightclub outside sully @sl120 on PS4.

Why is the range of the longsword at least twice as long as its model?

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>>169442020
>>169441573

>>169442154

great souls/lord souls are just shit that has been lit on fire. It's easiest to see with aldritch's soul. This is why they fade.

If the dark soul is lit on fire, it's obvious to conclude that it's eventually going to burn out, and more humanity will need to be set on fire to keep it going. humanity is probably sent to link the flame BECAUSE it's a renewable resource and realistically shouldn't run out, as long as you keep putting more into it.

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>>169442769

aldritch's soul for reference.

>>169442606
>>169441727
>>169441750
>>169442065
you guys are missing the point

fine let's say the AGS is made of super light material that's why it weights the same as a bastard sword

the question here is not about looking light/heavy

it's

if the AGS is that light why it has the UGS moveset? Can't we just use it like the bastard sword?

>>169443050

would you rather have to pump up your endurance so you can carry a 14 weight weapon without fatrolling?

>>169443050
You're missing the point. Everyone you quoted is being facetious. It's a retarded design decision and basically only exists because DEX=light and STR=heavy to punish STR builds even more.

>>169443162
Like I already do with other UGS?

>>169441567
He is right. It was patched to be white instead of light blue

Considering jumping in on this Return to Drangleic thing, what's the most fun DS2 build?

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>>169441573
Astora Greatsword retains all of its current stats and length, but has been converted into a greatsword with a greatsword swing speed and the hallowslayer moveset. What happens?

>>169443609
Powerstanced caestus and dragon bone fist in full Jesus armor is my plan.

>>169443653
Pure physical weaker onyx blade with a worse WA

>>169443825
>onyx blade
>as long as Astora gs

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>>169443979
It's almost there

after being buffed it surely matches

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I barely remember anything about the game, it's like going in blind again, didn't remember best waifu was here.

>>169443825
But Onyx WA is pretty bad

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>>169444249
>>169443979
better picture

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>DS3
>be Blade of the Darkmoon
>FINALLY summoned! (waited hours)
>get ready to kick some invader ass
>see a host friendly phantom coming toward me
>get immediately OHKO backstabbed by him
>YOU DIED
>it was an invader using a ring

are the Darkmoons THE biggest cucks in *Souls? Jesus christ. Feels like tyrone just ripped me a new one. How do you darkmoonbros manage?

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>>169443609
I'm gonna go full edge, dark everything, my goal is getting a dark infused weapon with dark magic and dark powder. What's the edgiest armour I can make?

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>>169444465
Yeah well back in my day, being a Darkmoon used to mean something.

>>169444465

The Darkmoons are supposed to be shit. It's in the lore. It only makes sense that a covenant Pontiff royally fucked up would be terrible.

Wait dark souls 3 has the same glitch in it as dark souls 1? The soul dupe?

>>169444513
Aurous Set seems to be pretty edgy

>>169444312
how can one say this when things like stomp exist

>>169444416
>>169444249
Impressive. Now that you say it, l did almost think the onyx was a ugs when I first saw it on Vilhelm. Anyhow I guess a 2h r1 from a greatsword into charge would be some shit.

>You'll take a bride
Alright
>That wedding
Oh ok

>>169444465
Put the covenant on in April, went on an all night wrecking ball spree in the Undead Burg at SL30 or something. Killed five invaders back to back in one shit-ass host's failed gank squad world where his phantoms died and he pussied out to let me fight them all solo. When I murdered the last endgame equipment using twink on the wooden bridge with zero estus left, my cock was harder than diamond.

>>169444513
That would be Raime or Throne Defender.

>>169444465
>get blueberry summoned
>load into world
>Host of Embers has died, returning to your world

Much fun, such wow.

>>169444827
I'm talking about the class. Stance, judgement stance, homo beams, wolf and perseverance are the better WAs.

Onyx WA is just a FP tax you need to pay every so often so your damage isn't awful. It can combo from R1s, but that's pointless since R1R1 is more damaging with the buff active and you should always have the buff up. Onyx would be much stronger if it dealt as much buffed damage as it does now and was a full generic claymore copy, though that'd make it an even more boring weapon.

>Dragonslayer Swordspear is not a FTH weapon
>it is instead yet another fucking """quality""" weapon with a neat weapon art

I just want my 60 FTH Sunlight Spear slinging sunbro to be able to play with it effectively. If From weren't retards they would have designed the weapon of fucking Gwyn's firstborn with some faith scaling.

>>169445235
85 dark buff instead of 150 fire works out much better, but yeah it's pretty garbage without it, so there's no reason not to have it up constantly.

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How do we fix split damage?

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>>169444249
This is a...

>>169444416
Fuck me... I wasted my time like an autist.

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>invading with a twink character at high wall
>end up invading a twink gank ambush
>kill both phantoms and then the host
>host alt-f4s as he's killed
I live for this shit

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Guys, I found the perfect method for getting blueberry summoned.

Just get halfway through shooting the dragon on the High Wall to death and you'll get a summon instantly.

>create character with specific build in mind
>pre-plan everything
>half hour passes
>character has strayed as far as possible from the plan

every time. is this austism?

>>169445574
>Shooting the wyvern at high wall.

You do realize he just flies away, even if you don't shoot him.

He appears at Lothric castle with the other wyvern.

>>169445692

but i want him to leave now

>>169445742
Why?

Just run past his flames, if you want the axe, you get burned a little, but it's 100% doable. Hang on, if you're shooting at it, you already went past his flames.

Why are you doing this?

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>>169445516
>about to die from cheeser twink invader
>alt+f4
>the invader has to convince himself that he "beat" me even though he got no confirmation
who else DEVILISH here?

>>169445426
You don't need to. You just buff weapons that have it.

>>169445426
You could start by giving source.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl2B83DmlpA

>>169445426
Make every weapon/infusion in the game buffable by normal means

>>169445862
Getting a host accumulate strikes for disconnecting is much more rewardring than covenant rewards, souls or embers.

>>169445426
by having hot, steamy sinful sex with the firekeeper and have her love juices put out the First Flame.

>>169445862
they were twinks themselves, and I did deal the final blow, I just never got the sign saying I won.
Ruining their youtube video is good enough for me

>>169446120
>he still believes the strikes meme
someone with a faulty computer will get banned for life?

>>169446120
>use CE to drop 99 coronas or get a mule to drop them on PS4

:)

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thoughts on my build?

what are some weapons other than the greatlance that can displace players (weapon art or even as simple as the greatlance sprint attack)

>keeping Yuria alive during the SoC

this is impossible

>>169446347
just git gud :^)

>>169446330
stomp for ugs makes your opponent fly in the air

>>169446347
Try wearing the skull ring and be super aggressive. Also try having miracles handy to heal her.

>>169446194
>>169446275

It's inconvenience, more than losing a few souls or embered state.

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>>169444714
>>169445191
>>169445272
Thanks for the suggestions, and what'd be a good melee weapon to infuse with my edgyness?

>>169445827

i'm a dragonslayer

>>169446486
You're not, you're a dragon inconveniencer.

Because the wyvern doesn't die, it just gets tired and flies off.

>>169446450
roaring halberd

>>169446429
can it actually move them off of the level or is it simply an animation

>>169433204
>>169432842
>>169437891
Here's an idea:

Make real fucking boss fights instead of DaS1 references and "killed u in 1-4 hit" fights.

Oh, wait, last game in the series, too late. Ah, well.

>3 hit killing people with the zweihander
it's crazy how many people can't escape the r1 r1 slightly delayed r2

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WHY IS DS3 PAINTED WORLD SO HARD

DO I NEED SL120 WTF

>the Nothing Personnel Kid edge-bird who litearlly 2-shots you
>over 900 ice warriors in the valley after the birds
>the big wolves

Rosaria's Fingers shouldn't have been Red. Perhaps brown with its own Brown Orb.

They should have worked in Red with Yuria.

>>169446878
It's extremely easy to run past all of that. That whole mountainous area full of followers is one of the best pve combat encounters in DS3 imo.

Pronounce Raime. Is it "R-ayme" or "R-aymey" like Jaime?

>>169446878
le prepare to die XD
dlc is trash anyway

>>169446878
Nothing Personnel Edgebird can do nothing to you if you stay behind it. It actually doesn't have any moves that allow it to damage players behind it, which compensates for how dead you are if you stand right in front of its thrusting weapon.

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>>169446878
>playing Dark Souls: Bonfires Every 6 Feet Edition
>Not just running past things you can't beat

Hahahaha.

Oh, wow.

>trying to kill hawkwood

jesus FUCKING christ this is DeS black phantoms all over again

>>169447410
Just parry him, the fight won't be dragon on for too long then.

>>169447410
guess you aren't the true dragon

>>169447457

I tried to parry him for 2 minutes straight,

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>>169431234
>>169431556
does he actually have eyes or is that thing in the middle of his face his only eye

>>169447820

I'm pretty sure dragons are all blind

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these guys are turning into pilgrim butterflies

mind = blown

>>169447820
That's his eye.
Kalameet is basically a HD version of the black dragon god Guyra from King's Field, which incidentally was also the primary rival of the white dragon God Seath. That's where his design comes from.

I hope we see the return of the covetous demon in the final DS3 dlc and when you kill it the only drop is a paintbrush to explain a sudden disappearance of the painter girl brought about by the dlc.

>>169448015
DELET

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>>169447820

He has two smaller eyes.

>>169447093
>Bonfires every 6 feet
>Painted World

Poorfag or just shitforbrains?

>>169446878
It tells you to come back after you've beaten Lothric Castle. You figure it out.

In general though, you're not supposed to charge headfirst into the snow storm and get ripped to pieces. You want to plan your route carefully and methodically pick off small groups while minimizing damage. The giant wolves are sort of a ruse, since they disappear at after taking less than half their health in damage.

If the Corvian Knights are two shotting you though, you probably have shit VIG.

>>169447410

>uses Farron sword and its moves
>wears some Watchers armor

He's like a mini-Abyss Watcher. It's adorable. Until he heals 50 times.

>>169447879
You're retarded.

>>169447820
He has normal eyes to the side, though whether they're intentional or not is up for debate.

>>169447410
>tfw fighting him with OWCS, Abyss Watcher set and Sorcerer Hood
Top 10 anime battles desu

>blocking with spiked shield now applies bleed and damag to anything that hits it

yes?

why didn't Leningrast simply smith himself a new key to his workshop? or crawl through the window?