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Bretonnia Patch Notes:
https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/191504/bretonnia-update-patch-notes/p1?new=1

>>169279340
did they fix magic? or they just added horsefrogs and didn't give a toss about balancing/fixing other stuff?

>>169279340
>Fixed a bug causing the game to crash with very large numbers of men in a unit.

Does this mean unit size can now be modded beyond 200?

>Dwarfs can now make grudges against Wood Elves in Campaign.

Savage Orc buff, praise Kek

>>169279340
Why the fuck would they ever buff irondrakes or any dwarf unit

fucking dwarf elitist CA devniggers

>>169279340
>Wood Elves are now more isolationist in character, with periodic bursts of aggression.
Finally

>>169279413
>>169279413
Man I hope so, I always play with Ultra ++ settings to feel the true WAR, not just some shitty skirmish

>>169279340
>Added 2 more defensive siege battle maps for the Wood Elves faction, also available in Custom Battle Mode.
Fuck, I've perfected my strategy on the one we had, and now I gotta learn two new ones.

>>169279542
Irondrakes are too situational right now, so a buff should be good.

>Orion, The King In The Woods, has issued a proclamation throughout Athel loren denying his resemblance to Mel Gibson.

>Armour effect values for spells and abilities changed from 15/30 to 30/60. Also increased duration for these abilities.

CAN'T SMELT THE GELT

>Flock of Doom has been made less effective.
rip

>periodic bursts of aggression
no aggression would be better

>+10% phys resist to all savage orcs
neat

>>NO CHANGES TO FLIER MECHANICS MENTIONED

G O D FUCKING DAMMIT

>>169279626
inb4 those periodic burts of aggression are map spanning swathes of conquest

>>169279340
>Dwarfs can now make grudges against Wood Elves in Campaign
D A W I
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>In line with their lore, the Wood Elves are now more isolationist in character, with periodic bursts of aggression.

Praise the fucking LORD

Christ.

>centigors can finally hide in woods

about time

>>169279786

>periodic bursts of aggression
>no aggression would be better


bullshit, they have hunt seasons in lore

Politics are so underdeveloped in this game...

Why can't I demand a neutral faction remove their hero/lord from my land, or at least stopped fucking things up / raiding?
Why can't I cede/demand a region?
Why can't I ask an ally attack a faction I'm currently at peace with myself?
Why can't I demand two factions make peace with each other?
Why can't I provoke another faction into breaking agreements or declaring war without violating their borders or raiding, just by pure diplomacy?
Why can't I give/demand tithe per turn for some turns, as alternative to flat gifts?
Why all politics are open to other factions? Can't one make a secret agreement?
Why is there so few ruler features? Say what you will about Knights of Honour, despite primitive political system it had rather variegated ruler personalities.
Why is there a fucking penalty on being large? I understand the technical reason, but it's such a lazy and crappy implementation... Preventing snowballing must be more elegant.

>All these quality of life improvements to Campaign

Based

>>169279340
>Reduced the accuracy of the Campaign AI assessment of player movement extents to improve game balance on lower difficulty settings.
Excellent news, hopefully they'll be less obnoxious now.

>>169279786
lolwhat? they nerfed the only viable damage spell? are we not supposed to use magic to nuke shit? why have magic at all then?

Did beastmen always have lore of shadows casters?

>>169279890
>Why can't I cede/demand a region?
Because the AI used to create epic border-gore with that ability and they don't want to have player-only options I guess.

I want to die in Isabella's delicious thighs!

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>Improved the use of "He" and "She" gender pronouns throughout the campaign text in English.
https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/191504/bretonnia-update-patch-notes/p1?new=1

>>169279981
>they don't want to have player-only options I guess
That's absurd. The ai bypasses so many rules that it may as well be playing an entirely different game as it is.

>>169279890
Because it's a tactical battle simulator, not a grand strategy game.

>>169279872
true but based on how unforgiving campaign ai is, periodic bursts of aggression could easily turn into map-wide conflicts for treebensraum

>>169279951
There's always a bunch of changes that they don't mention each patch regarding magic

>Added 2 more defensive siege battle maps for the Wood Elves faction
>One of them is the same map with badland desert textures

>>169280071
it sounds like GW's old excuse, "We're miniatures company, not game company."
No matter what they claim to be, they are underdeveloped grand strategy at this point. You either go all in or not at all.

>>169279981
couldn't that be fixed by simple "adjacent regions only" flag or something? KoH had such an option and didn't have much border gore.

>The Life Bloom spell has been reduced from 10 HP/second for 10 seconds to 4 HP when it triggers
Lore of Lofe nerf

>Waywatchers finally got improved accuracy

YES

>>169279340
>Archaon the Everchosen + 20 Armour

>>169280110
so we can hope there was lore-wide buff to damage spells?

also they mention adjusting power costs to match spell strength. that could mean anything including minimal costs for damage spells, making them more or less spammable on cooldown... which would make them somewhat viable

>>169279970
in custom battle now, they don't. There are multiple mentions of Lore of Shadows casters for beastmen in the notes so they must be getting them. Movement passive will be nice

>>169280292
CA needs to work on how they write these things out, some of the notes are unclear. This one I assume is changing the life bloom bonus from 100 hp always to 4hp/second lasting as long as the casting time for whatever spell you're using, but I can't be sure

>>169280403
Who knows, I wouldn't be that surprised to see some spells get better or worse
I think they're probably holding off doing any significant reworking of magic until they have to put Loremasters and Slann in, at which point they can't really ignore 70% of spells being useless anymore, or ignore differences between caster ability

How much longer will the development cycle be of this game? Will they be adding more to the campaign map?

>>169280578
About 3 years.

>>169280395
Maybe he'll be less of a joke of an endboss in campaign now. Especially with that <1% health boost he got on Dhorgar.

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>>169280434
Goes from 10hp per second for 10 seconds to 4hp per second for 10 seconds.
i.e. from 100hp total to 40hp total.

Is there a way to remove March from the game? I'm about to scream.

>>169280619
Source

>>169280662
Thats another way to read it, but its hard to tell bc of how unclear the language is. Honestly not that big of a change either way

>>169280702
Use google, you fucking faggot. Holy shit.

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>>169279340
>Flock of doom nerfed

>>169280659
Could you give me a tl;dr? That wall of text is so poorly written that if physicaly hurts to read.

>>169280702
expansion 1, plus expansion 2.


there are 16 races, not counting that chaos will be split in 4. Do the fucking math you Mannlet worst cuckstein

>>169280659
Radious is white and based.

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>>169280000
fuckin beat me to it

>Back when Legendoftotalautism's peasant spam build was going around people asked CA to fix flying lord hit-squads
>CA said they had balance changes for flying units in mind that would make it so any flying unit that attacked a ground unit would be grounded for a longer period of time to prevent cycle charging
>said change in mechanics would come alongside Brettonia
>No mention of anything like this in the patch notes

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What do we do about the Chinese menace?

>>169280071
>it can't be improved because it's out of the scope of the game
>Man, why is diplomacy so fucking bad?

>>169280000
So basically making sure all elves are refereed to as "She"? Good, makes sense.

>old one eye vanguard deployment
For him or his army?

>>169280659
Jesus, I thought he was just a shitty modder - turns out he's a terrible human being too.

>>169281051
>half of negative reviews are from chinks and ruski

>>169281051
give them a proper translation

>>169281050
not to mention that Brettonia got 2 new flying units in Royal Pegasus Knights and Hippogryph Knights, so be sure to pepper your angus lads

>>169280659
TL;DR
Sum that shit up

>>169275860
They look like Godzilla 2000 fucken lame-o

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>>169280882
patreon

>>169280882
Radious has, until Warhammer been a team of people

Radious is a jew, and decided to link his own, exclusive Patreon (which is the ultimate form of cancer for mod communities, mixing donations with subscriptions) and donation links, and doesn't provide any credit to the other members, one of which had that small meltdown

at least it's what I understood

>>169280882
>asks people for donations for his mods, doesn't share proceeds with other modders that contributed to his mods, or even tell them he's asking for donations
>tells modders that they can't release stuff they've made as standalone mods, that content can only be in radious mods (despite there being no contract etc.)
>uses other modders' work on a new webpage showing radious mod stuff, again without asking or telling them

>>169281051
China should have been nuked so long ago

Hell, the urban areas may even become more habitable after a nuke or two

Fantasy of Sigmar > Age

>>169281050
I've given up entirely on mp for this game. Maybe with the bigger expansions theyll put some effort into making it playable.

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Honor is all.
Chivalry is all.

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>>169281113
Can we get the Chinese government to ban Steam by replying to the negative reviews with Falun Gung propaganda?
>Nine Commentaries on the Communist Party 九評共產黨
>http://www.ninecommentaries.com

>>169281472
>not "you came to the wrong duchy, mon ami"

>>169279340
Savage Orcs
+ 10% Physical Resistance
+ 3 Charge Bonus
+ 2 Melee Defence

Savage Orc Big ‘Uns
+ 10% Physical Resistance
+ 3 Charge Bonus
+ 2 Melee Defence

Savage Orc Boar Boyz
+ 10% Physical Resistance
+ 4 Charge Bonus
+ 2 Melee Defence

Savage Orc Boar Boy Big Uns
+ 10% Physical Resistance
+ 4 Charge Bonus
+ 2 Melee Defence

Savage Orc Arrer Boyz
+ 10% Physical Resistance

START DA WAAAGH

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>>169280220
>you will never play a game which combines TW style battles and CK2 grand strategy

>>169281074
Check your privilege, what if I want to roleplay as a mentally ill transsexual who commits suicide by wandering into the Chaos Wastes?

>>169281472
>chin down eyes up

>>169281051
>>169281348

>Nippon Strong, Nippon Strong
>Imperial Army did nothing wrong
>Rape of Nanking?
>No such thing!
>Unit 731
>So much fun
>Look out!
>Here comes Nippon Man!

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>i was only pretending to be a nazi

>>169281537
Yeah, my 1st campaign after the patch will obviously be chivalric, but with these changes I may give wurrzag another go before trying an isabella campaign.

>>169281660
How the fuck did you get a trade agreement with kislev?

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THIS IS NOT FUCKING FAIR BROS
>everyone knows that I am the true Von Carstein
>Daddy Vladdy and Mommy Isabella have their own faction
>they don't take me in
WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING TO ME
IF THEY TAKE IN KONRAD I SWEAR I WILL END THIS WORLD
W-WE ARE STILL FRIENDS N-NAGASH, ARENT'S W-WE?

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>>169281767
They will give you trade agreement on turn 1 on legend.
Also i kinda sacked North.
REALLY sacked it. If Talabec didnt backstab Kislev i they probably had a chance to beat Chaos too.

So I bought the game and I'm playing as Empire first turn

Karl is up north conquering but there is a stack of wood elves who keep going right up to my settlement and keep moving around my territory

Should I be worried?

More detailed ability changes:
https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/191508/patch-6-full-ability-balance-change-list/p1?new=1

>>169281884
a lot

Wood Elves are nazis, and they will pull a Poland on your territory

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Soon, fellow Vnderstanders.

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>used to shit on SEGA and their shitty DLC practices
>almost considered giving Warhammer a negative Steam review because of this
>almost one year later, I'm now excited for every new DLC

>>169281884
Yes you should.
Dont play Empire until you get feel of the game because you got worst position in the game opponent wise.
>electors
>chaos
>northern Chaos vassals
>Bretonnia likes to DoW for no reason
>Vamps
>Forest nazis
>Beastmen and Agrund can be dragged in
>Border princes
And that small Orc warband on start

Why are marauders so hilariously shit? My guys are losing a 1:1 fight on flat terrain to some fucking Skaeling poison dogs.

>>169281984
Most of the warhammer DLC has been a lot more interesting than the majority of DLC released for previous total war games

>>169282067
Doggos are great against unarmoured units

>>169281597
>and Age of Empire or Heroes of Might and Magic style city screens and variety of buildings
>and Victoria-style resource variety

truly, why live?

>>169281905
Plague of Rust: Increased -15 armour to -30 armour and -30 to -60 armour for upgraded. Duration increased from 27 to 44. Costs reduced from 5 to 4 and 7 to 6 respectively.
Searing Doom: Reduced cost from 6 to 5 for regular and from 9 to 8 for upgraded.
Glittering Robe: Increased armour from +15 to +30. Duration from 31 to 40. Cost reduced from 8 to 7, Upgraded cost increased from 12 to 14.
Gehenna’s Golden Hounds: reduced detonation force to increase reliability against light entities. Upgraded also had a 25% reduction in vortex movement speed.
Final Transmutation: Reduced cost from 16 to 14, Upgraded reduced from 26 to 22.

I-is gelt good now?

>>169281884
>>169282002
Plus if you're playing on any dificulty above Hard most if not all those fuckers can happily ignore their differences based on how much they hate your fucking guts.


I dunno how I managed it, but last Legendary Empire campaign got destroyed by an ancient alliance of Mousillon/Wood Elves/Greenskins/Angrund/Marienburg to converge on my ass.
Those fuckers all had either military or defensive alliances and all hated me, despite me never attacking any of them besides Greenskins and Beastmen.

I swear if I managed to hold out a bit longer, I might have brought peace to the Old World based on how everyone senselessly despised me

>>169282140
>tfw no AoE2 sounds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oTUvjgvVWE

>>169281905
wait a min, duck got hired by ca?

>>169281884
Yes. Make defensive allies with both Dawi factions near you and with as much of Bretonnia as possible. If they go to war with you they will have to go through your allies first. They will most likely obliterate them all but atleast you'll have time to prepare for them
And remember, Helstorm and mortar are Elf's greatest enemy.

>>169282002
Not him but I bought it yesterday, 10 hours in on first campaign as Empire, 100 turns in normal difficulty and Im having a blast

Three full stacks. Most of the land to the north and around me conquered. Karl and a general is up north fighting the Skaeling and The Chaos and I feel unstoppable, already number 1 faction, army in the south with that patriarch guy and beast wizard(amber?). Franz nearly has his griffin.

Really enjoying the game it almost feels too easy but satisfying

Fuck the sieges though, raped by arrows much prefer to auto resolve that

Who should I play next and when will my Empire campaign ""end""?

>>169282195
Not as good as Karl, but then again what is? Might be viable at least.


Still never gonna use Final Transmutation

>High chance the enemy will ignore damage
>Strong vs a single combatant
>Weak vs a single combatant

Like what the fuck dude?

>>169282195
Nope

Also
>Changed Black Coach abilities into passives that will activate after 45, 90 and 135 seconds in melee, allowing them to stack. Tweaked values to balance their new cumulative effect.
Is Black Coach decent now? can you even keep it in combat for that long?

>>169281597
>>169282140
>>169282238
why is there no perfect setting or perfect game? good stuff is always split among several ones and no one has balls to just steal everything awesome, saw serial numbers off and make one true setting or game.

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>Reduced range of Rune of Wrath and Ruin from 75m to 50m.
>Added max 3 uses to Arrow of Kurnous and increased range to 600m.

looking at Empire units one has to wonder...

What has gone wrong in our world? Why fuckawesome Gandalf beards and badass mutton chops and splendiferous puffed sleeves went out of fashion? They are so fucking awesome!

>Devolve was overnerfed so hard that they've had to rebuff it by a full 50%

Christ

How is Cavalry best used in TWW?

More specifically, is there an effective difference between shock and regular cavalry? And is it more effective just to leave them stuck into non anti-large infantry or to micromanage them to fuck by charging, pulling out immediately and re-charging?

Only three shots with Arrow of Kurnous now
>Added max 3 uses to Arrow of Kurnous and increased range to 600m.
RIP in peace sniper glade lord & way watcher??

>>169281905

>Sneaky Stabbin’: changed to single target
little waagh is now fucking useless

>Pann’s Impenetrable Pelt changed from Ward Save to Physical Resistance.
welp looks like thats another spell I won't be using

>Master Rune of Oath & Steel: Armour increased from +30 to +60. Duration increased from 15 to 25.
PAY BACK EVERY GROODGE

>Changed Black Coach abilities into passives that will activate after 45, 90 and 135 seconds in melee, allowing them to stack. Tweaked values to balance their new cumulative effect.
CA somehow managed to make one of the worst units in the game even worse

>>169282550
Shock cavalry is more effective on the charge, melee cavalry is better in prolonged melee, but shock cavalry is generally better

If you're against anti-large infantry, it's probably better to cycle charge, if not, leaving them in for a while before taking them out will do the most damage.

>>169282550
You shoud cycle charge shock cavalry

>TWWH has been around a while and is very popular
>TWWH wiki if dead and full of tumbleweeds
why?

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>>169282227
You expanded too fast.
Be a smart goy and take that port province up north and burn Northmen to the ground.

Worked for me, as you can see my legendary run is more or less set in stone.
Once i burn down Elves i will stomp North and be done with it.
>1st in power
>8.3k bonus dosh
>>169282550
Shock has better charge bonus and regulars have better combat stats. Cav is your morale breaker, archer attacker and cleanup crew in one. Dwarves for instance has really bad time mopping up bunch of mobs on legend because m-muh speed.

>>169282716
There's a wiki?

STORMFORGED FUCKING WHEN

>Lady’s Blessing changed to a self buff with +20% physical resistance and 1 use, deactivating when routed.
Lady’s Champion changed to 1 use, deactivate when routing.

I am confused - does this mean that the blessings of the lady now work like foe seeker and the other melee abilities? Or is this some sort of work around to make sure you lose the blessing when you rout, requiring you to activate it once at the beginning of a battle in order to get the bonus

>>169282910
never

also it's Stormcast, not Stormforged, you illeterate shill

>>169282440
>tfw no floppy hat 4 all mod IRL

>>169281051
I'm bored so I'm gonna review-bomb all their reviews.

>>169282917
Pretty sure it's a passive buff with one use.

>>169282910
When you make a mod for it, you lazy fuck. Paint some chaos warriors gold, give them hammers, and put gelt's mask on all of them and you're golden.

>tfw men of reikland and middenland working together

>>169283035
but that is counter-intuitive, if it is a passive buff it shouldn't require any sort of activation at all. Guess we will just have to wait till release to see what they mean, seeing as how CA is shit at describing how stuff works

>>169282440
Beards and Moustache fell out of fashion after ww2 because soldiers had to be clear shaven because lice.

Puffy uniforms fell out of style when nations properly unified because its easier to produce and maintain tight uniforms.

>>169283121
bah, there were soldiers and lice during earlier wars too, yet soldiers always were ones with best facial hair!

I know the practice is absolutely scummy, but is the blood DLC actually good?

Like, does it look good and feel necessary?

I hate the fact I have to buy it, but the question remains.

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>>169282650
>>>Sneaky Stabbin’: changed to single target

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>Level 3 bretonnian settlements get walls automatically

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>>169283086
>tfw image gets lost

>>169283174
it's nice but it ain't worth the price

>>169283219
Oh, look. Yet another way in which the Empire is left behind by new factions. I sure do love having to sacrifice a slot in every single province just to get fucking walls.

>>169283121
I thought it was because of WW1 gasmasks?

>>169283156
Earlier wars had smaller armies so you didnt get as many epidemics as ww1 had.

>>169279626

rip forest hitler

>>169283183
THIS STINKS

>>169283219
>Brettonia has better buildings than the empire
>Brettonia has a better trait system than the empire
>Brettonia has more starting locations than the empire
>Brettonia has a more in-depth economy than the empire, despite being "dude peasants lmao: the faction"
>Brettonia has a better tech tree than the empire

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>>169283263
That too actually. Now gas masks did let you have smaller moustache.

>>169283368
everyone has better tech tree than the Empire

who fucking looked at Empire tech-tree and thought "Yeah, this is cool."? NO ONE!

>>169283368
>>169283261
[honhonhon intensifies]

>>169283368
You forgot
>Brettonnia has flying cav

>>169283368
some mememaster make me a picture of that sad bald meme guy with some imperial features and hugging a cannon it's his only friend?

because superb artillery is all we have left

>>169283439
Oh shit, did Eugen secretly kill and replace CA?!

>>169283526
Trebuchet is better than cannon because rock drags around instead of exploding.
It also doesnt require clear line of fire.

>>169282328
>why is there no perfect setting or perfect game? good stuff is always split among several ones and no one has balls to just steal everything awesome, saw serial numbers off and make one true setting or game.

That's pretty much what Warhammer Fantasy is, though.

WHICH ARMY HAS THE BIGGEST ASS??

New MP Meta Predictions
>Dwarf Runesmith/Lord spam remains thanks to buffs for oath and steel, no change in ward save rune
>Orcs become much less popular due to sneaky stabbin nerf
>Brets new king faction thanks to FLC power-creep + Green Knight

>Changed Black Coach abilities into passives that will activate after 45, 90 and 135 seconds in melee, allowing them to stack. Tweaked values to balance their new cumulative effect.
What moron decided this would be a good idea? Sitting in combat is the exact fucking opposite of what the Black Coach should be doing. Fucking morons somehow nerfing one of the worst units in the game

>>169283526
As long as I can mow down chosen with helblasters I'm content desu.

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>>169283261
The power of having an Elven protector

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So much blood.

>>169283606
nah, being a long-time fan, I became tad disillusioned with it. so many things I'd love added to it... but it's dead now.

at least TWWH is so good I normally don't remember about its faults

Aw yiss my brahs the beastmen got buffed

>>169283714
Dont you find it tad too easy?
CA should up the ante with ai a bit.

>>169283714
I meant in the sense of combining things from many sources.

>>169283594
>what is helblaster

Hey guys, I'm new to the series and only have Shogun 2.
How do you guys deal with having potention enemies on all fronts when you're in the middle of the island? It feels like I should have full armies in every city in case someone declares war on me, because if I don't I'll lose it. But I can't afford that many units, so I try to evaluate which clans are the biggest threats.
Then someone declares war on me, and they border 3 of my provinces and I won't know where they're gonna attack until it's already too late.
Should I just bring the heat to them instead and hope they retreat to defend their own cities?

>>169283795
agents

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>Sneaky Stabbin changed to single target

That is literally the only useful spell you get in the Lil Waaagh tree, what the fuck CA

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>>169283368
Lesson: Worship Elves

>>169283918
Simple and effective, I should have thought of that.

>>169283794
>fantasy Katyusha
Great on range but have fun with units in melee.
Unlike mortars that are great for lobbing.

>Master Rune of Oath and Steel will now stack with its lesser version to give dwarf warriors 215 armor

>>169283795
Don't expand unless you're absolutely certain you're able to defend your territory. This includes using agents to assassinate, block, harass, and incite rebellions. Don't be afraid to bully even your closest allies if you think them losing their daimyo to poison and their capital city to a Christian rebellion will favour you in the long run.

>>169283594
Wait what? They make cannonballs cannot skip and bounce? They understand that cannon roundshot and mortar shells are 2 different things, right?

>>169283368
>elves are better than dwarfs
>hence elf humans are better than dwarf humans
*dull surprise*

>>169284081
i once managed to lock a superior force (4 units, I think) with 2 units diagonally on sides, leaving a hole for Helblaster to blast them to pieces
that was carnage

>>169284089
>dwarf warriors
meant ironbreakers

Dwarf Warriors will still get 175 armor tho

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>>169284153
They can, just not as often
On this picture, it's a bit hard to see, but cannonballs roll down hills and bounce occasionally

>>169284153
Napoleon had very good bouncing cannonballs and i kinda didnt pay attention to Warhammer.
Cannonbals have much smaller diameter than lobbed rocks though.

>>169284136
At the moment I'm in a situation where I can defend my territory, but I can't take my army out to assault them because of fog of war and two fronts. Most of their armies are depleted now because of the continuous assaults on me, but if I had used agents I could have taken more troops from other cities to form another army without being in too much danger.

I just did a quick google search for things I can do with agents, and I have severely underestimated them. I've only used the metsuke for more taxes and arresting other agents.

>>169282317
no and no

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Get a stupid Orc song stuck in your head with this one weird trick:
https://www. youtube.com/watch?v=JXCLtD5batc

>>169284398
Agents are amazing, doubly so if you opt for Christianity. You always want a metsuke as a "defensive" agent in your own settlements and policing your borders to catch enemy agents, whilst your ninja, monk, or priest is out in the field gathering intel and doing as much damage as possible.

>>169284478
nothing stucky. there ain't even a melody to be stuck in the first place

if you want a song stuck in people's head, you need something special

like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytWz0qVvBZ0

>>169279340
That's a tasty patch.

Rule Change: In Campaign, If a faction loses a battle and the only surviving unit is their last general, the general is killed.

I don't get it

>>169284789
For you.

>Bretonnian peasants get silver shields

Why do smelly, bumblefuck 12th generation inbred serfs get fucking silver shields?

>>169284892
no more skarsnik standing around alone and suiciding into your settlements for 50 turns until you finally waste the time to kill him in a battle.

>>169284934
because their shields are fucking big

>>169284892
There was a tendency for single lords to stick around with 1% of their hp on the campaign map, not doing anything except preventing their faction from dying

>>169279340
>Okkam’s Mindrazor: Changed +44% ap damage to +36% ap damage. Duration reduced from 32 to 27. Cost reduced from 18 to 10. Upgraded cost changed from 21 to 20.

Well that cost change is pretty significant.

>>169285008
Aye, had that happen.
1 hp dwarf kept sieging last VC castle and VCs had no hero to break out, effectively blocking me from doing anything.

Improved Khazrak’s attack animations in battle when mounted on his Beast Chariot.
The Gorebull's Axe will no longer be misaligned to his hand when swapping between some animations in battle.

Fucking finally was driving me crazy

Archaon the Everchosen (Dorgar)
+ 86HP


Fuck off CA you're not funny

is there any info about Isabeuty and Vladawesome von Coolsteins? i.e. which mounts do they get, how will their tech-tree/buildings/units differ from Mannlet's, etc?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgwYDy48inU

>checking out Steam for discounts
>this is new

I WANT SHITPOSTING TO END

>>169285612
They get early building for 2 extra Vamps and she gets some chalice artifact.

>>169284934
For the same reason goblins get silver shields.

>>169283614

Beastmen.

>>169285759
>Beastmen
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/6999253/d253cac9/hondengevecht_des_doods.html

>>169285862

I aint clickin that nigga.

>>169285920
Suit yourself you pansy.

>>169285862

the hell did I just click on

OH SHIT MUSTARD GAS HEEEEEEEEEELP

>>169281237
>Czech Social Security Administration
Pure fucking cancer. Does jackshit all day and gets paid shitton.

>>169285920
its worth the click but only if you are a real hardcore mother fucker, psssh like me.

are there Mordheim (or ruins thereof) or Ubersreik in TWWH?

>>169286038
Sadly no. Mordheim is probably something they will add(unless it is IP restricted for some reason)

You can see the ruins of Skavenblight in the game though.

battles and political disputes should have an option "Settle by Bloodbowl match"

do you agree or strongly agree?

Auto resolve really needs to be nerfed

>>169286135

Disagree, bloodbowl is not part of the universe.

>>169286131
hm. seems strange that they left so many places. several major castles in Sylvania, Ubersreik which is in WFRP and is a biggish and important city, etc

>>169286135

bloodbowl is dumb

>>169285862
Oh it's you. Fuck off soldat.

The campaign custom battle map addition is going to be pretty great.

>>169286135

Bloodbowl is it own separate setting

>>169286386

Thought they said they couldn't add campaign map editing.

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>>169286221
>>169286038
Well that part of world already has bunch of cities, its hard to put it all on map.
Maybe if they redo it in next one.
With our luck Skaven will be only in New World because Empire is too crowded already.


Here, have Mordheim intro. Its pretty rad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27Ua2pP31yE

>>169286453
Changing the shape of the campaign map, no, but changing the battle maps that you fight in particular regions of the campaign map, yes.

>>169286547
>changing the battle maps that you fight in particular regions of the campaign map

That's what I meant, and if they can do that, thats fucking awesome

>>169286453
They made a tool for it it seems. You basically paint the campaign map where you want your custom map to be "active". Pretty basic, but efficient tool.

Modders also figured out how to replace current siege maps in the campaign with hex editing. You can only replace so it is a little limited.

>>169286135
Bloodbowl has absolutely nothing to do with WHFB, anon.

>>169286650
>You basically paint the campaign map where you want your custom map to be "active"

Can't wait for modders to make every map an epic choke point defense

>>169286737
Kek, yeah is going to happen. At least the tool is easy to use.

>>169286892
Again, remember that Bloodbowl is literally a different setting. Stop. It's every bit as absurd as adding Quidditch events.

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>They didn't fix magic
>They didn't fix magic lord

Fuck CA, new edition my ass

Bannerlord when

>>169286737
>implying choke points are bad in Warhammer

>>169287035
Magic will never be fixed. The system is fundamentally broken (or rather the lack of a system).

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>>169287002
>Quidditch
bloodbowl takes place in warhammer universe you dungus, not warcraft, not GoT

it's like there should be no naval combat because man o war and battlefleet are different settings.

It would be just a little easter egg

>>169287151
Mods have fixed it.

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>>169286892
>blood bowl commentators
Not nearly enough lines in second one.
They actually made models for them if you want to add them to the tabletop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFfLjpB_Qs8

>>169287157

It doesn't take place in warhammers universe it is a seperate deal using warhammer races. It is NOT part of the universe.

>>169287157

>bloodbowl takes place in warhammer universe you dungus

No, no it doesn't.

Bloodbowl is not a fucking in universe thing, the different races do not meet up and play fucking football, are you actually retarded?

It's an alternate universe joke setting made specifically for the game.

>>169287146
>implying chokepoint maps in total war are fun

>>169287157
Its a spinoff thing, doesnt exist in canon per say.
Same how Warhammer Online had its own story.

>>169287187
No, the system is still the same. A bandage doesn't fix a broken bone.

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>nerfed sneaky stabbing

THIS STINKS

>>169287293
>Same how Warhammer Online

Sad how warhammer online end of times is so much better than end of times

>>169287357

Is there one of these of beastmen or welves?

>>169287418

Yes but I don't have either saved

>>169287283
in Warhammer they are, since there's many more threats to factor

>>169287448

Shit. Thanks though anon I can keep an eye out at least.

if I give the CA my ex as sex slave, will they release Skaven faster? I want Skaven

>>169287151

Explain

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>>169287418
There's an Orion one for sure, don't have it tho

>>169287523
They already have Grace.

>>169287453
I guess there are more shit to consider like flying units, but I always get bored of chokepoint maps pretty quick.


Fucking rome 2 fort/camp battles.

>>169287418
>>169287501
I suggest you ask in /whfbg/ on /tg/

>>169287573
but my ex is better than Grace!

>>169287628

>but my ex is better than Grace!

Then why aren't you still dating her?

>>169287674
not better enough

>>169287559
The base system for AoE spells is basically the same as for artillery since Napoopan. Unit mass influencing how much damage fire does for example is completely fucked. Not to mention that hit detection is made for artillery, and is extremely hit and miss with the virtual projectiles in some spells. Just look at it all in the Assembly Kit to see how fucked it is.

Stop talking about some PR chick you pathetic virgins

>>169287928
MUH WAIFU

>>169287914

Fireballs are not shit though, it's just vortex spells

And I don't understand why the can't make the vortex just do damage instead of some weird mass system

>>169287928
t. darren

>try steel faith overhaul
>can only have 5 wizards

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Can it be done?

>>169288018
Fireballs work because they're basically cannon balls anyway. Also, they can't make vortexes do straight damage because the system is fucked as I said. It's just not made to do that.

>>169288060
Mod is still easy mode with the t4 minor settlements and extra skillpoints for lords and heroes.

>>169288117
How much ward save does Kholek have?

are Bitch Hunters worth it? I ain't got problem with corruption yet, and so haven't been bothering with building/upgrading churches (got only that came with confederation anyway), but the enemy was using a Witch Hunter in battle once he looked badass

>>169288117
Easy

>>169288126
it wasn't a complaint about difficulty

>>169288117
Not even close

>>169288117
would need to know what those 3 reinforcing armies are

But it seems possible if Ostland has little missile troops

>>169288123

You didn't really explain how it's fucked, you just said it does damage based on mass, which I already knew, I was looking for some explaination that would prevent them from changing the damage

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>>169288117
Yes
Well, I don't know what the other armies are like, but if they're roughly the same quality then you should be able to squeeze a victory out

>>169288117
Yes. Just gang up on 1 lord/hero at the time with your lord/heroes

>>169288117
Probably, unless the other armies have extreme hero spam with captains or lots of steam tanks/demis

>>169288171
Only 45%. RNG hasn't been on my side this campaign.

>>169288117
>those sizes
can't you just step on him?

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OK LOREFAGS
why would a fucking CHINGCHONG teach the art of assassination to a MEME RAT?

fucking japs, retards even in fantasy

>>169288213
>are Bitch Hunters worth it?
In battle? meh, but for all purposes use him, everything can be good in campaign

They are also the only reliable assasin agent the Empire has, which makes them great

>>169288213
They are good for killing enemy agents/blocking armies.

I think they only have accusation in battle.

https://youtu.be/tHxV-2gucLk

>>169288213
If you've not had a problem with corruption yet, this just tells me that you've not encountered the VC or had Chaos start spamming sorcerer agents.

Witch Hunters are very much worth it, and iirc they're the best agents to train up to assassinate others, which will be very relevant when Chaos starts properly fucking you up.

>>169288239
The system is very complex, especially with hit detection being wonky for knocked down units, so there's no easy damage change especially since unit mass varies so much. You have to see it to understand fully.

>>169288275
It's going to be easy if you remember to focus fire high priority targets with your hellcannons.

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Man having a reiksguard unit so early is nuts, they get like 250 kills a fight.

>>169287370
Well it very a very simple setup where half of protagonists were new.
It was hard for them to piss of as many people as End Times did.

>>169288223
Second stack is almost identical to the first, just with halberdiers, flagellants, and free company replacing the four heroes. Third stack is half strength but built almost identically to the first, with three heroes. Fourth is just a lord on his own. Total is fourteen cards of missiles, six of which are pistoliers. No artillery, no handgunners.

>>169288404
Vlad is much, much worse. Vanguard deployment Blood Knights fighting other VC armies will easily get 1000+ kills.

>>169288364
I wiped out Vamps after a long struggle and through use of Light College Acolytes and a Warrior Priest I managed to bring the vamp corruption to manageable levels so now it's enough to just camp WP in there to clean it up completely

chaos sorcerers are mostly fucking up other counts at the moment, and I hope by the time they get to me Sylvania will be clean and WP will be there cleaning stuff up and probably assassinating them

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>>169279340
> Reduced number of Flagellants recruited by the AI.

Finally.
Are they even worthy?
I mean, a few? Sure, they are good at stopping the enemy so you can flank them, but having a dozen in an army...

>>169288319

They couldn't tell that they were rats through their slanty eyes

>>169288596
>confederate Todd
>he counts as a LL
>if you fire him you cannot get him back

>>169288596
that's bad
even though I have no DLC, I have a sizeable army of flagellants thanks to confederation

on the plus size, maybe this will mean AI will hire more Free Company, so I can get those from next confederation...

>>169288319
indeed, why would any human try to be friends with hairy smelly bloodthirsty freaks? oh wait, Dwarfs are Empire's biggest allies!

>play qb bc bored
>forgot how ridiculous raise dead is

>>169288735

Free company seem uber shit though.

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>>169281601
wait for slaanesh faction?

>>169288763
It's actually pretty fucking shit since it is very rare to get decent infantry from it.

>>169288709
What I hate is that if I get him from a confederation, I can't give him a fucking horse.
>>169288735
>on the plus size, maybe this will mean AI will hire more Free Company, so I can get those from next confederation...
They already do that too.
At least at the beginning. The Free Company is available at the level 1 barracks and they are actually pretty goo.

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>>169288828
>purpose of raise dead is to provide quality
Yeah pick Gorst or Strigoi King then

>>169288784

They're basically portuguese tercos but cheap

>>169288784
dunno, the few I have kick some fine ass

>>169288927
How are quantities of more zombies or skeletons worth it at all?

>>169288917
Huh.
Mine has a barded horse.
>>169289021
They can flank and cause terror and can bog down archers/arty?

>>169288245
There are still people who play on bitch difficulty?

>combat lord to kill stuff that comes close
>1 unit of crossbowmen/quarellers to kill light cavalry
>1 unit of handgunners/thunderers to kill heavy cavalry
>rest of the stack is different flavours of artillery

would this work?

>>169289021
You can shut down the whole skirmisher force of the enemy army and even block charges.

>>169288457
You should be able to do it in that case, Kholek+Shaggoths will turn any lord/hero into paste

>>169289232
If battlefield was a long line, sure.
Or if those units had magical aoe taunt.

>>169289451
won't artillery fire that heavy just be able to rout anything before it even approaches?

>>169289021
>provide constant exposed fland/attacked in rear penalty
>provide constant fear from behind penalty
>instantaneously spawn units in enemy rear
>instantaneously shut down enemy skirmishers
>instantaneously spawn giant hp sponge wherever it is required
>can do all this with minimal WoM cost
>spell has low cooldown

something tells me you are not a trve vnderstander

>>169289514
nope, you need more melee + a couple of light wizards with nets

>>169289514
Nah.
Besides what if opponents spreads his force.

>>169289572
pity. i love me some artillery

>>169288784
they are decent for early game, when you can easily use them as ranged units or melee ones, depending on who are you fighting and what you need

>>169288319
Apparently, out east they are more harmonious with non humans. Cathay and Ind to some extent live alongside beastmen without huge trouble (there's even a beastman Cathay emperor for a time), and Ind they even get along with daemons without a lot of trouble. That same tolerance is extended, at least marginally to the Skaven, to the extent that they at least trade a little and aren't always kill on sight 100% of the time.

>>169289646
Aye Free militia has 11 soft and 1 AP damage which means they do jack shit to armor above 50.

should I avoid starting a new campaign I can't finish before the Bret update?

>>169289750
>Apparently, out east they are more harmonious with non humans. Cathay and Ind to some extent live alongside beastmen without huge trouble (there's even a beastman Cathay emperor for a time), and Ind they even get along with daemons without a lot of trouble. That same tolerance is extended, at least marginally to the Skaven, to the extent that they at least trade a little and aren't always kill on sight 100% of the time.


ok that sounds really a lot cooler than the main old world shit.

Where I can read about the beaeastmen emperor

>>169288784
You are shit, not the free company.

They are relevant all the way up to late game for their good flank potential and beastmode melee for being peasants with knives. The only times where they turn into shit-tier is when you are fighting something like dwarves that have enough armor to survive a cannonball thrown at them.

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>>169289065
>Huh.
>Mine has a barded horse.

Yeah, I've seen him with a horse a few times, but when I get him I don't even have the option.
He only has Sigmar's ward.

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They know

>>169288117
JUST FUCKING STEP ON THE FRENCHFUCK

The next LL for the Counts is Nagash

>>169290062

>Domina
>Not Dea

Bravo CA

>>169290062
Is this some twitch shit? My internet is still dogshit thanks to the incompetence of my isp.

>>169290184
yeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssss

>>169290184
you are dumb
your meme is dumb
your Nagash is dumb

>>169290245

It's just a Youtube video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHxV-2gucLk

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>>169290004
Here is mine, ai also ruined him with combat skills.
Notice he has Stupid Traits and barded horse is separate from normal one.

So...did people report this to CA?

>>169289880
Anything eastward, you'll only get a sentence or two here and there, it's really not fleshed out in the lore and mostly just footnotes.

Like the beastman emperor is a monkey king expy who overthrows the assumedly human emperor before him, and is tolerant of the Skaven to the point of trading with them and having a Skaven diplomat and advisors, but that's literally all that is said, it's just a small bulletpoint in a timeline.

>these awful looking flaming arrows
where did everythng go so wrong?

>>169289840
in the early game, not many units have 50+ armor

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>its a "CA makes the singleplayer experience worse in an effort to appease mpfags" patch

rip little waagh, release-old world edition

its a good thing that ca is preserving the mp balance though

>pic related, average mp battle

>>169290383
Aye, thats why i simply mentioned it.
RoR one has good pen though.

>>169290324
>Treasurer Boris Todbringer
>Not "The Emperor's Eye" Boris Todbringer
s m h

Playing Ork. What am I meant to do slightly early on against Gyrobombers?

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>no new historic tw for years
ah rome...

>>169290446

That's what happens when AOE buffs exist.

>>169290324
He's hardly ruined with those skills. With those lords you either make them full melee monster with a high tier army, or you give them Honest Steel which is readily available in a few levels.

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>>169289847

>>169290530
>emperor's eye boris todbringer

lol

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Anyone else feels like Realm Divide in Shogun 2 is a bad mechanic? I don't mean from a difficulty POV, since it fixes the endgame rollstomp that happens when you get too big, I mean in the sense of how it feels like a big "fuck you" to the player that you can't use to your advantage as well, basically making it somewhat "unfair", so to speak.

Like, let's say that you wait until someone gets big enough and the Shogun declares that force too dangerous and that they should be destroyed. That could be a very reasonable strategy if you were, for example, Shimazu and another clan from the east (Date/Oda/Takeda) claims superiority, so everyone on the center/west besides you starts a coalition against him, since that will give you an opening you can exploit and use your forces to claim most of the west while they're busy striking against the common threat on the east.

I say this because I'm currently on a campaign facing this, and to be honest, is less difficult and more annoying than anything that EVERYONE wants a piece of the cake when they can't even handle a single province and throw full stacks over and over again. Nobunaga's Ambition (Iron triangle in this case) had a very similar idea behind this, but only those close to your forces or with hostile diplomatic relationships declared war when a coalition was formed (In that playthrough I controlled 2/6 of the map, Takeda another 1/6 and the rest of the clans made up the other 3/6) allies didn't stab you in the back at the first sight of trouble (my ally was Takeda), etc.

The way it feels now is kind of cheap and lazy, which is a shame, because the entire game had been amazing up until this point, where on top of the bullshit mechanics that most Total War have on higher difficulties (like I said, full stacks for 1 province clans) it really showed the utter lack of troop variety (like, 8/10 play exactly the same over and over).

What do you guys thought about this when you first encountered it?

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Attila is the best TW ever, fantasy fag and collision fags need not apply

>>169289847
>>169290716

Yes, obviously.

>>169290542
Ignoring them works, and so does massed arrows. Obviously don't blob up. It's Orc with a c in Fantasy btw.

>>169290716

Yeah, hold off anon. It's only a few days.

>>169290670
I really dont need 15% more combat stats on a lord, i needed upkeep reduction since its Legendary.

Can custom maps be put into the campaign map?

Because that would mean that every big city would get a custom siege map, and that would be goat.

I hope CA allowed this

>Fay enchantres has a 15% 1 poin trait

POWER CREEP DOESN'T EXIST LMAO

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>>169290759

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>>169290716

It's only 3 days Anon

>>169289880
Tzeentch-worship is tolerated in Cathay because they like scheming and stuff

Dark Elves regularly raid the coasts of Cathay, Khuresh and Nippon

The current emperor of Cathay is descended from dragons or empowered by them or something

Cathay has a magically reinforced Grand Bastion (Great Wall) on their northern border keeping out the Hung to the Northeast, Kurgan to the Northwest and the Hobgoblins all around.

The steppe north of Cathay is full of fighting between various tribes of Hung and Kurgan human worshippers of Khorne mostly and the hordes ruled by the Hobgoblin Khans

Ogres used to live near Cathay and eat them but then the Great Maw came from space and ate their homeland so they moved west. Presumably Ogres still raid them and Ind for delicious humans though.

A lost bloodline of vampires exists in Cathay, if they were fleshed out they'd probably be like the Jiang-shi.

Cathay has special Astromancers who use star power, they are not Celestial mages but something different. Presumably Astral Lore would have been a thing exclusive to Cathay just like Ice Lore would have been exclusive to Kislev had either of those factions been added.

>>169290759
It's mind-numbingly boring with excessive turntimes and nothing going on at almost all times.

>>169290805
Yea, fuck upkeep reduction, economy boosts can be acquired in other ways. Killing the enemy lord 15% faster is much more useful.

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I want to be dominated by a best elf!

>>169290831
in the 28th, yes

we don't know the extent of "campaign integration" and siege maps can't be made currently

>>169290758
it would be fine if long term allies and vassals actually fucking stuck with you

>>169290234
She's referred to as the Lady rather than as the Goddess so it works

>Fay Enchantress has extra peasants
>replenishes troops faster
>starts with Pilgrims and Grail Guardians

Who here is gonna go full crusade roleplaying with nothing but paladins and religious fanatics?

Stream is up

>>169291085
whence

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>>169291057
Dont forget
Also will Brettonnia patch fuck up old saves?

>>169291284

>Holy Water Trebuchet

CA has got us covered, anon.

>fuck up old saves

Definitely.

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>>169291373
Damn, gotta finish my Empire legend then.

>>169291451

>Damn, gotta finish my Empire legend then.

You can just tell Steam not to update the game Anon.

Was industrial buildings being useless in Attila ever fixed?

>>169291284
>Also will Brettonnia patch fuck up old saves?
Shouldn't, but you will be missing most of the new additions