/dfg/ - Dwarf Fortress General

First for "whoa, dozed off"?

Some migrants have arrived.

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difficulty

reminder: robbed
http://www.strawpoll.me/12395638/r

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>>169259217

I made my first magma piston the other day, it's about 160 levels deep. I feel quite accomplished.

Can a recasting magma piston punch multiple levels at once? I think that will mess up the obsidian cast but I'm not 100% sure.

>>169260778
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

II isn't 11

A couple of questions. Why does everyone hate square tilesets/anything not ascii and therapist? Is it just a sense of trying to feel superior?

>>169261934
nobody actually cares. loud minority

>>169261934
personally i'm frustrated by the fact that there just aren't any good square tilesets. like, square tilesets seem like such a good solution but none of them are good - the aesthetics always end up clashing terribly because no one wants to take the time to really make enough cohesive artwork to cover everything in dorf

despite the fact that the default tileset makes things less aesthetic (can't have pixel perfect symmetrical constructs) i still stick with it because most other things make the game look even worse imo, although i do use external software in order to keep track and manage my dwarfs esp. once the fort reaches 50+

>>169261934
It's not as bad as some vocal people make it seems. Most don't care.

>>169261934
>Why does everyone hate square tilesets
Not everyone hates them, but they look squashed and a bit ugly when you're used to rectangular tilesets.
>anything not ascii
Non-ascii sets are pretty much exclusively hideous. The game just looks like too much of a pile of vomit with anything more detailed than text and numerals.

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>>169261934
I like 'em. Mayday's neato.

>>169262476
>square
>squished
>pile of vomit
get a load of this moron

>>169263275
don't just read the bits that annoy you anon

>>169263332
Square tilesets don't squish anything, Anon.

>>169263550
in comparison to rectangular they look squashed. squares are more horizontal than rectangles are. this is a fact.
read the whole line of text please.

for the record I don't mind square tilesets, but I can nsee why someone might.

>>169263730
>a square is more squashed than a rectangle
Anon, are you alright?

>>169263840
talking aspect ratio here man, try to keep up.

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>>169263730
Sounds like someone lit the nonSquareman symbol, what do you need good citi-
>>169263550
>>169263275
WHAT THE FUCKERY IS THIS

>>169263940
>1.0 is more squished than 0.5

>>169261280
they're towers

>>169264115
whoa

>>169264029
16x24 or 24x36 is 0.666... the 0.5 ratio sets are too skinny.

There is literally nothing wrong with microcline

>>169261934
Square/nonsquare tilesets are skub. That's pretty much all there is to it.

"ASCII" (actually pseudo CP437) is standardized, clear and simple. Whatever pixelart pictures someone drew and then made into a tileset aren't standardized, aren't simple, and very often aren't clear.

The rapist is a crutch that some people don't know how to play without, and isn't updated to work with the current version of DF. Also, some people don't like its aesthetics and/or its effect on immersion. I've never used it and don't know all that much about it so I don't know much more about it beyond that.

Also, I would like to thank you, because somehow your post spurred me to finally try making a tileset. I messed up on my first try, but I think I know what to do now and will probably try fixing it tomorrow. It's nothing fancy and I expect someone else has already done the exact same thing, but I haven't seen an example of it floating around.

>>169266487

I like not using the rapist because it ends up with me unintentionally making a caste system. Since I don't want to fiddle with labors manually too often, generally once a dwarf has his labors set they stay that way for life.

>people don't use therapist

Literally how? Once you get a fort of 60+ dwarfs it is waaaaay too tedious to manage them withouth therapist.

>>169266487
When you are finished with the tileset post it.

>>169267284
I'm using the dfhack labor manger while waiting for the therapist to be updated.

>>169267284
I set and forget, if a dwarf doesn't have a high useful skill or moodable skill he gets a metalworking one (typically armorsmith because I like artifact armor) and then goes into the hauler and unmoodable menial labor class until he gets a mood. There's very little "management" to be done; by the time you have enough dwarfs for them to be "unmanageable" you have enough that you don't really need to manage them.

>>169267284
I don't play with 60+ dwarves since that would kill my fps

I still use (well, used) the therapist though

>>169267284
I've never understood this at all, the only answer I can come up with is that some people were simply crippled by dwarf therapist. I have no problem whatsoever dealing with hundreds of dwarves, I can give them nicknames, custom professions, and it's not as if you have to deal with a lot at once, unless in cases of huge migrant waves.

The game has several tools to control not only labor, but also transit. It seems most simply do not care enough to try and learn it, and would rather run into the same problems over and over again (i.e cave crocodile ate the armorer, 80 idlers).

>idlers
I almost never really have these. My forts are usually busy enough that all the peasants are always either building something, hauling something or sleeping. The only "break time" is when I consciously suspend the work for a while to give them all a break.

>>169267284
>Actually managing my dorfs

I literally just wing it the whole time. I've never checked thoughts or preferences, never checked what jobs their best at, and haven't ever used any in-game vanilla management tools, if they even exist.

I just dig holes, make workshops in the holes, and then order stuff to be made in said workshops. It all gets done eventually, so why bother with the details? You can always get more dorfs if one of them goes berserk, and if the fort falls, just make a new one.

>>169270136
*They're best at

>>169266352
best stone

>>169270136
The problem with this is that you can end up not being able to do certain things, and your only option is hoping that a migrant with the skill needed to do that comes and it has it on.

What you said sounds like a challenge run, and a tough one at that.

>>169271140
I mean, that's how I play it by default really. I spent years eating raw food until a cook came along.

>>169271190
That's one of the most frustrating ways to play DF I've ever heard, just relying on rng, you must be a masochist.

>>169271405
Well actually yes I am, but that's besides the point. Its just the way I've always played it.

>>169271454
I still don't understand how you can play like that, did you really think that it was the way it was meant to be played? Did you really not check if there was a way of changing jobs? Did you really think the game was just like that?

Honestly I just can't understand, if I was in your position I would just have dismissed the game as rng horseshit.

>>169271719
>did you really think that it was the way it was meant to be played? Did you really not check if there was a way of changing jobs? Did you really think the game was just like that?

Well I did gradually become aware of other options as I kept playing but really I was just too lazy to learn all that and was like "Either the problem will fix itself or everyone will die so its a moot point." And so I am to this day.

>>169271919
Well alright, it still sounds as fun as hammering nails through your balls, but if that's how you want to play.

>>169272160
I guess I'm just fine with not micromanaging. If I see I can't do something, I just shrug and focus on what I can actually do. And inevitably I glance back at the list of units and wouldn't you know it, I have a dude I want now. There you go problem solved. So long as you aren't invaded, getting the dorfs you want is inevitable. Its just a matter of patience.

>>169272249
Sounds more like luck than patience to me, especially if you're playing with a small popcap, since you could hit the cap and still not have dwarves with the skills you want.

>>169272352
Oh no I play with a 100+ pop cap, my computer can handle it.

>>169272412
That's good.

You will still have problems if you play as an extinct civ, so avoid that.

>>169267284
No one forces you to micromanage every single dwarf for optimised production.

Personally, I just add labours to some idle dwarves (with v-p-l, of course) if I feel that the labours aren't being done fast enough. It works just perfectly. Since I don't obsess over optimal performance, it means I can have a more comfy time watching the private lives of my dorfs.

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>tfw you micromanage every little detail as much as you can
>importing the right food, materials, clothing and whatever
>keeping a small population so you can know each of your dwarves
>tfw you can't figure if you should put urist's house near a friend and a passing acquaintance or two friendly terms

am I the only o-one?

>>169272986
Best to play it safe and take friendly terms. If the RNG hates you, the passing acquaintance might as well develop into a personal grudge. Friendly characters stay friendly forever.

>>169267406
Ok, but don't expect anything worth waiting for. Also, I'm lazy, so I won't finish it until tomorrow at the earliest.

>>169270136
>You can always get more dorfs if one of them goes berserk, and if the fort falls, just make a new one.
My goal for my current fort is actually to test out if there's a limit to that.

>>169272570
If I wanted to play as an extinct civ, how would I get to do so? When I generate a world in which dwarves were wiped out it just won't let me play fortress mode.

>>169272986
My 'tism would get out of hand if I consciously allowed myself to do that. I'm bad enough even with the anti-'tism measures I'm currently taking.

>>169263730
Ever stand upright and look at the floor tiles a few feet in front on you?
What are they like?
Square? Squashed into being vertical? or Squashed into being horizontal?
Perspective, motherfucker

>>169270282
muh orthoclase

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>>169273621
nigga i know squares are square, we're talking relative to df here.

>>169273694
>merchants visiting
>kea air raid just before the merchants leave
>shoot down one of the pests right above the depot
>wagons get scared to death

Whyyyyyyy?!? Ok, so how much of a problem do I have here and what can I do about it? I am now in possession of five wagon wood logs and a bunch of other merchant stuff. The depot says that there are no merchants trading right now. They announced that they would be leaving soon, but they hadn't started packing up yet. They've got a bunch of yaks, some are in mortal fear, some aren't, some of them have a couple of items hauled each, some of them have nothing. All of the stuff I sold to the traders is still in the depot, marked [T] in the item view (the view that includes building materials).

>>169274582
I didn't mean for that to quote >>169273694

>>169274582
>>169274656
>all these (You)s
oh my

>>169274582
Anyway, if they're dwarven traders all the stuff they dropped is yours for the taking now, even what you traded; no real problem there.

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>>169274092
a df tile is 2x2 as measured by minecart physics, therefore, square
And there's no perspective that'd make them "non-squished rectangles", you'd only get squished squares

>>169275303
we're having two different arguments here.
i'm saying that the square tilesets can look relatively squashed when you're used to non-square tilesets.
you're saying that the in-universe tile is a square, which has nothing to do with what i'm saying.

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>>169275521
stop trying to argue with him. he'll never learn.

>>169274092
Shit, man, I'm the guy who originally argued that it was insane that a square could be seen as "squished" compared to a rectangle, and I have to admit I honestly never saw it this way.

I concede defeat.

>>169262476
>>169275521
That's like saying that 16:9 monitors look squashed at native resolution because you're used to using them at 1024x768.

>ezum Oltarzatthud has become a Elite Marksdwarf.
Apparently this does not mean attainment of a legendary skill level. Does anyone know what it does mean? He's a great marksdwarf and a proficient archer. Does that add up to legendary or something?

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>>169264029
>>169265708
The golden ratio is 0.618...
Nonsquare is closer to it.

>>169277141
It means he reached "great" in crossbows. this applies to every skill: once they hit great, they're a historical figure.

>>169267284
Just go to your meeting area and look for idlers, and give them the jobs that you want done faster.

>>169277349
addendum: not historical figure, just the "elite" version of that skill.

>>169277329
Also that image shows it as 1.618 but the thing about it is that it's the solution to x-1=1/x.

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post dorf

>>169275303
Maybe it's an isometric view at an angle.

Give me fun activities to do lads.
I have all my basics in order, and a full legendary military squad. But I am the only none Gobbo civ left in a whole Badland world. With a rich and fertile cavern to explore.

Wat do?

>>169277774
Whoa in my mind's eye I always imaged adamantine veins as like solid tubes of pure adamantine. But I guess that interpretation makes sense and is consistent with the idea behind mining ores in general.

>>169261306
kek

>>169261306
>tfw efeye died

>>169275521
>i'm saying that the square tilesets can look relatively squashed when you're used to non-square tilesets.
shit, sorry

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>tfw no one will ever beat Star Zoo and get to see the secret animated cutscene at the end

>>169281941
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZNcUjsc0G0
This letsplayer came pretty close (by savescumming between each mission), but he gave up in the end.

>>169282643
That guy is an idiot and I hate him.

Bump

>>169277774
I always thought they didn't use torches in the fort and just scrambled over each other in the dark like mole people.

Isn't that why they get cave blindness and nauseated by the sun?

>>169281941
ill beat it one day

>>169286289
>they get cave blindness
They don't. On the contrary, they have perfect night vision.

>>169286994
I meant cave adaptation, my mistake

>>169286289
>torches underground
>25 or so constantly burning torches of pitch to illuminate a decent sized fortress
>fortress fills with smoke and everyone dies of asphyxiation

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>>169288850
>not ventilating your fortress

>>169290784
>ventilating your stupid opinions

>>169291025
>being both bad and rude

>>169292004
>being both dumb and fat

>>169292116
>calling someone dumb and fat when you post on 4chan

I hope the irony is not lost on you

>>169292372
Hey, I'm not fat, I'm just dumb alright?

>>169292372
>muh 4chan
Listen hear, aspie: 4chan has changed. This isn't a refuge for social misfits and nerds anymore.

It's a medium where well-adjusted, mature individuals can enjoy high-quality serious discussion.

There is no excuse to be a fat autist on 4chan.

>>169292983
>Listen hear
You are triggering my sides.

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>>169292983

>>169293105
Cry me a river, autsit.

>>169293286
I was laughing, no tears now.

>>169293694
Good for you. No shoo, DF is an inherently neurotypical game, and we should keep the community clear of autistic trash.

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post-irony isn't funny

>>169294034
Sorry for harshing your buzz, Chad. Have another natty lite to get back in the mood. I don't want to take up any more of dwarfing time, I'm sure you have pressing social engagements with your large group of young, attractive friends that you'll need to attend to later. Perhaps an athletic competition to participate in. We're lucky to have a neurotypical like you in our general.

>Still no shovels, the most basic mining tool
literately shovel ware at this point

What the fuck is this retarded detraction that is currently taking place? Do either of you having nothing better to do? Not even play the game the general you are posting in is based around? You just want to shit up a thread? Okay.
Both of you are fucking autistic.

>>169294650

Probably a IMDB refugee, they are pretty toxic

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>>169294434
Actually, I'm in the middle of saving all known Tarn Adams interviews on my computer, then sorting them based on media (written, video or audio podcast), year of publication and publisher. For the written ones, I also convert them into pdf files, which takes a while.

Still a proud neurotypical, though.

>>169294650
There were at least 3 people participating in that retarded detraction, but suspect it was 4. In any case, no, I have nothing better to do. I'm at work. Pretending to be offended by a guy pretending to be a normie is literally the most productive course of action available to me at the moment.

>>169261934
>it's a joke
It's a joke.
>it's a joke
It's a joke.

>>169261934
Memes

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What's something you miss from older versions? I miss the glowing pits, I really liked how they were different depending on what demon was inside and I think it'd be cool if something similar was implemented again.

>>169295923
Something similar might actually be implemented.

I miss tentacle demons.

>>169295923
>tfw there have been five different versions of windows released since dwarf fortress

>>169295923
That and demon fortresses would be about it. I would like the economy and guilds to come back, but they were broken and unfun in previous iterations, so I don't miss what we had.

>>169295923
I miss sites being more abstract, for modding purposes. I hope sometime soon Toady will let us define sites more specifically because I think Dark Pits would be perfect for an insectoid race, but right now you have to have a demon if you want to use them.

So why won't this autist just hire some people to work with him? He wastes so much time on trivial shit that has almost no effect on gameplay, no fucking wonder he expects it to take another 20 years.

If he had any fucking direction he could reach an almost identical result from a gameplay standpoint in 1-2 years. Instead he's wasting months on covers and other shit.

>>169297715
He's just doing it this way to annoy you.

>Weaver cancels Weave Thread: Needs 1 unused collected plant thread.
How do I deal with this shit? I have 68 thread units and he doesn't haul the whole bin to the loom, it's still stands there in the stockpile, accessible and so on. Yet he spams after every single operation and when I redesignate the job - poof - he suddenly notice exactly one thread

>>169297715
just drop the game if you don't like it. toady will do just as fine without you. after all, he IS making the game for himself, not anyone else.

>>169298420
>makes game for himself
>doesn't play it
mkuthnkuh

>>169298504
Except he does. At least during the tests.

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Does DF have cheating on spouses and Dwarf men unknowingly raising a child that isn't biologically theirs?

>>169298338
it's bin issues, make a quantum stockpile near the workshop

>>169298583
Not right now

Well actually...

If someone is raised by a goblin civ, they can become a snatcher, so that means they can steal children.

So, no to the former, yes to the latter

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>>169298631
>quantum stockpile
cheater

>>169298739
Oh wait, but they don't do it unknowingly.

No to both then.

>>169298739
>Båx My-dwarven-neighbour's-son
kek

>>169298631
That's cheating tho. Would setting an extra thread stockpile with no bins allowed help with the issue?

>>169297715
Legends say that he did, once, hire someone to take care of the graphical aspect of dwarf fortress

The cries of fear yelped after he saw Toady's code still haunt the night, to this day

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>>169275303
It is 1:1.5, not 1:2.

>>169294034
O rly

Nobody actually expects this to be finished right? Toady will not drag this along another 20 years, and if he does there will be better games that do the same out by then (though not necessarily as autistically, but the colour of a sock in the drawer of some guy half a world away does not affect you much at all).

>>169299926
Honestly? I expect Toady to die before finishing it.

>>169299926
>tfw you have a fear of certain colors of dyed fabric and socks
>tfw a wizard learns of this and hunts down exactly the right sock to use as a component in a spell to bend your will to serve them

>>169299926
whether the game gets "finished" or not is irrelevent.

the important ting is that we keep getting more and more interesting features. in fact, it would be a great tragedy if Toady declared the game "finished", since that would bring an end to the addition of new features.

of course, you're just baiting, but my point withstands.

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This baby is covered by her parent's blood after they were eaten by a cave spider. Both were marksdwarves, and both killed by the same spider. While the other dwarves are feeding her, she's still completely drenched in blood.

:'(

>>169300885
Can't she just drink the blood

>>169301028
Nah, she's too young

>>169301197
Only one thing for it then, stuff the baby in a cage, put the cage in a mug, and drink the baby.

>>169299008
Obviously.

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>>169301389
>tfw toady implemented vore

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>>169301389
>>169301828
nice

>>169278179
What did he mean by this?

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>>169302527

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I just killed a bunch of dwarves

>>169303442
You monster
what the fuck is wrong with you?

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>>169303442
what the fuck did you just say to me

>>169303442
So, fear me.

I've killed them all.

>>169302741
>cropping out the glass of pump heml wine I painstakingly colored

Still hurts, tbdesu.

>>169304581
sorry

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>>169304581
It's still there for the finer jabs.
I'm happy everyone kept the boner tent I edited in.

>>169304829

Is that a figurine of a dwarf in gabbro in his right hand?

>>169305763
No, it's an obsidian anal plug.

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It took a long time to make PDF's out of these interviews. At least now I have them in an aesthetically passable form in case they disappear from the internet.

>>169306190
Good job, shitposter-kun.
Are you going to upload them somewhere?

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>>169306190
The video interviews.

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>>169306352
And finally, the audio ones. That makes all known interviews.

One of them was impossible to find, so it might be lost forever. Another one was in Finnish, so I didn't bother.

>>169306271
Wouldn't that be violation of intellectual property?

>>169305874

I see. I will kill myself forthwith.

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>>169306496
No point showing it to others online if you're not going to share.

>caring about intellectual property
>2017

>>169306496
If you aren't gonna upload them why are you posting about it here

Oh, I know, to bother me, you fucking cunt

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>>169306776
You don't need to do that.
Just plug it in.
You know you want to.

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>>169306907

>cut trees and elf diplomat senpai notices you
>no trade agreements and dwarf diplomat senpai notices you
>no matter what you do, human diplomat senpai never notices you

I want proper human diplomacy

>>169306809
>>169306785
I might upload them somewhere in the future.

For the moment, I just wanted to collect them in one place (doing it for an autistic friend).

However, I also have one question for everyone in the thread: where can you find footage from Mutant Miner? In the intro of the Dwarf Moot video, you could see a few seconds of gameplay from Mutant Miner, but I've been unable to find where it was from. Did they ask Toady for it?

I need it for my Bay12Games/UnrealesedGames/MutantMiner folder.

>>169303442
Why?

>>169307886
>The race of men, who above all else desire power.

I don't think they feel any need for diplomacy, aside from sending a diplomat to a new barony who vomits everything that has happened to them ever since the colony was established in one breathless litany to the unfortunate baron(ess).

>>169307147
>I played guitar in an all-black band in the 50's, but I'm too old for MMA, I'm in my 60's.
>Well hello there lil' white boy, you look like a mighty warrior indeed.
>I'm three!
>Well shit, pick up a guitar!

>>169307886
>>169308852
Once you achieve a barony the human law-giver himself comes to conduct diplomacy. It's the highest level state interaction that occurs in the game at all. If that ain't senpai noticing you then I don't know what is.
Granted, human diplomacy is shallow as fuck and consists of them giving you a wall of text about every snatching that's occurred in a human hamlet since the beginning of recorded history, but at least it's the head nigga coming to read you the headlines.

>>169307886
Start murdering the traders and they'll notice you real quick

>>169303442
tell us anon, what did you do?

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Will the next update finally have magic and Rings of Power so I can play-act out my Tolkien fantasies?

>Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone

>>169309890
Come back in 2019. We might have an idea of the timetable by then.

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>>169309185
>tfw you learn what a law-giver actually is in adventurer mode

>>169309062
Forgot about the "all-black band" meaning he's black. Reddit is awful, not quite as bad as tumblr, but nothing is, but AMA's often produce truly hilarious shit.

>>169307147
Why does reddit hate Steven Segall?

>>169309890
Does he plan on implementing magic?

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>>169310396
I was simply shitposting.
All my life I've played roguelikes so I don't even expect a "final" or "definitive" release of DF.
As it stands, DF is already one of my favorite games ever and this was true about 5 updates ago already.
I believe it is simply the younger generation who didn't play the shit out of Angband, Nethack etc. in the 90s with ascii that are to blame for this serious entitlement issue some of the player base of DF seems to have.

>>169310602
I hope so.
I'd personally surely enjoy it, at least.

>>169310460
Better question: why does anyone care about reddit or Seagal? The only worthwhile thing he's done his entire life was completely fuck up his own backstory in a hilarious fashion.

>>169310842
Angband and Nethack are terrible roguelikes.

>>169311008
Angband is unironically the best, though.

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>>169311008
It is a matter of taste and in the early 90s there wasn't much of a choice and no internet so one played whatever circulated with the floppy disks in town.

>>169311265
I think *bands are fucking shit in general, too tedious to be fun.

So what does everyone here think about that game rimworld?

>>169311797
Well I never played it so I can't really say anything about it.

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>>169311797
>no z-levels

>>169311797
>2d
>poor man's DF
>costs money
a no-no in every thinkable way

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>tfw you find out Toady's ph.d thesis is available through your university's database portal

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>>169311945
do you not know how utterly useless your reply was? you have no identity so there is nothing implied either, and no one cares because you have no identity. your comment isn't a shitpost. it's a nothingpost. it serves no purpose whatsoever. it's like saying "this" in a youtube comments section or something

just saying

>>169310924
Seagal is king of the weebs. Master of nothin personnel. And he's friends with Putin, so there's that. It's only natural that he would become a living meme.
I unironically want Toady and Seagal to collaborate on a guitar track for DF.

>>169312762
I know, it was on purpose.

>>169312891
alright. carry on, then

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>>169312601
>tfw Toady is a mathemagician who hates real physics

How the fuck can melting some objects yield more material than they contain?

>>169313223
Dem dorfs man

Dem dorfs

>>169313478
Beak dogs are giant birds, not actual dogs.

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>>169313352
That's actually a really good point, dem fucking dorfs man.
>Urist DemDorfs, mayor has imposed a band on certain exports.
>export of Windows prohibited
Good thing everyone installed Gentoo.

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Anyone here good at modding? I'm trying to make a skeletal bull megabeast, how do I make it a proper skeleton instead of a weird mannequin thing as it appears to be right now? Here's the raw: http://pastebin.com/kWdXkE5B

>>169313223
>dwarf goes to melt metal object
>smelter adds energy to melt it
>dwarf adds energy to turn it into a bar

Law of conservation of energy, my dood. Maybe if you were an acclaimed mathematician like Tarn Adams you would understand.

>>169314434
ah, so that's how metal-smith forges don't warm the room you use them in

>>169314434
>Law of conservation of energy
But each exchange here has an increase in entropy (assuming Toady meant for the observables of 2017 to correspond to DF) with no corresponding decrease of temperature clearly signifying magic or dem drofs man, dem dorfs.
I wonder what His (Toady's) thoughts are on this subject?

>We extend the notion of a flat chain with coefficients in a normed abelian group from Euclidean space to an arbitrary Banach space and prove a compactness result. We also remove the condition that a flat chain with arbitrary coefficients have finite mass in order for its support to exist.

That's a short abstract. And he still managed to lose me completely.

>>169313932
I'm not quite masochistic enough to go gentoo, when I compile shit it's because I actually need to do so, but I'm pretty sure those dudes have started to find it fun at this point.

>>169314117
Hmmm, put the usual vertebrate tissue layers stuff, all of them back in, skin and muscle and whatnot, then try uhhh:
[REMOVE_MATERIAL:HAIR]
[REMOVE_MATERIAL:SKIN]
[REMOVE_MATERIAL:FAT]
[REMOVE_MATERIAL:MUSCLE]
*tissues stuff*
[REMOVE_TISSUE:HAIR]
[REMOVE_TISSUE:SKIN]
[REMOVE_TISSUE:FAT]
[REMOVE_TISSUE:MUSCLE]


Also add:
[NO_CONNECTIONS_FOR_MOVEMENT]
[NO_THOUGHT_CENTER_FOR_MOVEMENT]

>>169315724
What the fuck is a flat chain, what the fuck is an euclidean space, and what the fuck is a banach space.

>>169315894
Oh shit, and remove [NOBONES]

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>>169315992
Nerd stuff, I guess. Don't ask me, I'm in humanities (archaeology).

Also, how in the world is a fucking ph.d thesis allowed to be 28 pages long?

>>169315724
>>169316189
nice blog, homo

>>169316328
It's Toady's ph.d thesis (TL note: Toady is the creator of Dwarf Fortress).

>>169316498
Just ignore these guys. For some reason we've had a bunch of people start spewing vitriol at random comments lately, probably hoping to get attention.

Why they do this in one of the comfiest generals on /vg/ is beyond me.

>>169316631
Some kids just wanna watch the world burn, when they should be watching it flood with magma.

>>169316189
My math background is rooted in relativity, so I'm not too sure what banach chains are beyond a bit of knowledge about Banach-Tarski and their fabulous balls.

>>169315894
I'll give that a shot, thanks

>>169307147
reddit is such cancer of course they would hate seagal

>>169317073
Don't forget the nobones thing, if I'm right you should end up with a skinless, meatless, fatless, skeletal horrorshow.

Oh god, forgot put this at the end:
[SELECT_MATERIAL:ALL]
[COLDDAM_POINT:NONE]
[HEATDAM_POINT:NONE]
[IGNITE_POINT:NONE]
[IF_EXISTS_SET_MELTING_POINT:55000]
[IF_EXISTS_SET_BOILING_POINT:57000]
[FIXED_TEMP:25000]
[SPEC_HEAT:30000]
[SELECT_MATERIAL:BLOOD]
[PLUS_MATERIAL:PUS]
[MELTING_POINT:10000]

Just had a Were elephant attack, my very first elephant

I did not know they could swim

nonetheless my brave fishermen stalled it enough to let the drawbridge raise and the crossbows to get in position.

at least it solved the fish overload problem

>>169317859
Do you regularly mod df? Are you the ksbd mod guy? How did you learn to mess with the raws and not fuck everything up?

>>169318036
Getting crossbowman into firing at an enemy properly is one of the most satisfying things you can do in war

>>169316189
>Also, how in the world is a fucking ph.d thesis allowed to be 28 pages long?
Math and engineering kek. Mine will be just a circuit and 40 pages of blablabla

>>169318162
Yes, and the error log is your best friend.

>>169311797
It was way too simple when I last tried it. It's just boring after a couple hours at most.

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>>169313478

Toady should implement Crossbow fire by rank mode

i want my dusty dwarfs in tight formation firing rapidly at the charging Steel Skinned Rhino

>>169320036
Why isn't there a fun picture with a Dwarf edit of the Stallman pasta?

>>169315992
Euclidean space is the space were euclidean geometry holds true. Things like:
"The sum of all three angles on a triangle is 180 degrees", so, basically, anything you learnt in school about geometry was euclidean. Probably not the real definition but you get the idea

Non-euclidean geometry, like that on a sphere instead of on a flat plane, would fuck that up. Triangles adding up to 200 degrees, or shit like that. That's where Cthulhu lives. Banach space must be a generalization grouping euclidean and a number of non-euclidean spaces, maybe some of then are BANAna SHaped

>>169316125
>NOBONES
Oh man, that's such an obvious thing that I feel dumb having missed it. This reminds me of the time I modded in a creature with fire for blood, but forgot to give it the [FIRE_IMMUNE] tag, so whenever it was wounded it'd start burning which just caused it to bleed even more, causing a positive feedback loop that shot fire everywhere constantly until it died.

>>169320584
Ah, I see, so basically anything that isn't euclidean is really weird.

>>169321220
Sounds like genetically engineered suicide napalm bombers

>>169321728
No.
You're non-euclidean too.

>>169321943
So, anything that isn't euclidean is really weird.

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>>169322072
Well my cock is non-euclidean and your mom still sucked it and took it deep, deep into her dirty asshole last night so you tell me how weird it is.

>>169322072
>>169322273
owned lol

>>169321943
The point still stands

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>>169320584
So, lemme see if I got that right.

>Flat chains in banach spaces
>2d chains in 3d spaces

dunno if it makes it less or more complex

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>>169322273
That'd be very weird since she's a skeleton already

>>169321729
It do don't it?

>>169321220
Yeah, without the dragon style temperature fixes it would start burning itself I think.

>>169322273
Oh yeah, well yo momma so fat if she put on a belt she runs the risk of dropping below her Schwarzschild Radius and collapsing into a black hole!

Yo momma so fat, it took a team of astronomers 15 years in a coordinated effort with other observatories around the world to accurately determine her mass by observing the deflection of stars occluded by her ass!

>>169322649
Owned indeed.

So I want to be a dirty cheater. Can anyone help out?
Basically I've made a butterfly man adventurer who through a hilarious series of misunderstandments and lack of social understanding ended up being tasked with fighting a weremonitor. Now, infected and unable to contain his monthly bloodlust, he has been driven from his hamlet (so far as the game allows) and has decided to build a fortress of solitude near a lake.

Having designated ~10k logs worth of fortress I realised that I have to actually sit through a million b>w>s *wait two minutes*, aquire food nonsense.

Can I hack my fortress complete?

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>>169323017
pls be joking

>>169323137
>pls be joking
I never joke about skeletons.

>>169323064
Can you read?

Make a slab, view it and run gui/gm-editor, go to the bottom, set inscription type to 6 (Secrets) and then set the topic to like 5 or 6, one of those should end up turning you into a necro when you read it.

Then visit a tomb and get an army of skeletons, bring back over 100 and it'll only take a couple of days to complete.

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>>169323017
Well it was a spooky suck.

>>169323378
Ah you see I thought of that, but don't want my character to be a necro, as he'll go retire in a tower and will completely disregard the backstory I have painstakingly crafted for him :(

>>169324534
No he won't, I wish they did.

>>169324912
Really? I guess it was just coincidence that my other character did that.
Or maybe it was that he claimed a bunch of places, the tower being one of them.

>>169324534
Oh, try this since you can fly:
http://pastebin.com/9BJ80ijX

It'll make you into a ghost, you can still carry shit around and build, and it'll stop people from freaking out if you're a werebeast, which, I mean, a fucking ghostly butterfly man turning into a goddamn ghostly werebeast sounds pretty damn unsettling, but nobody will care.

You can also carry infinite weight as a ghost and don't eat/sleep/etc.

>>169321728
Somewhat. But when you study linear algebra and analysis you get used to all kinds of weird shit

>>169325094
That's cute and all, and thanks, but I'm gonna go the necro route I think. Can you revert necro status and unlearn the secrets?
Also how do I spawn a slab? Can't find it in any of the item.txts so don't know what to point createitem at.

>>169326067
Ghostly is pretty easy, and no, removing necro status isn't really something I'd recommend trying, though I could probably do it by fucking around with gm-editor enough.

Just use gui/hack-wish from your unit screen, but createitem SLAB FEATHER:WOOD should make one light enough to carry and possible to destroy later.

How do i defend from tax collectors?

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>>169326489
Ghostly sounds cool, and I'll remember that trick for dicking about at some point, but here I'm just after reducing the real-time investment in building this thing.
Thanks a bunch.

>>169326759
Yeah, necro is gonna be the easiest, zombie workslaves are handy, just set em and forget em.

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>>169318162
I've never had any luck with crossbowmen

It's either they're jumping out of towers or not going where I need them too

axedorfs are god tier though

>>169326957
>forget them
Until you go to take a couple fortnights off at your beachside penthouse and hundreds of raven corpses and guts-trailing humans come rushing at you like so many overexcited dogs.

>>169327256
Ah, here's what you use ghostly for, while you could just exterminate UNDEAD, why not try something complex and dangerous?

Build a floor that's like 7x7 with a hole in the center, supported by a wall, make sure they're all under it, ghost yourself just in case, then deconstruct the supporting wall.

SPLAT!

how do i remelt glass back into sand?

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>>169328589

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>>169328425
They've gone and made a mess.

How do i turn Hens back into eggs?

>>169329045
you can use the new hens to put eggs

>>169328589
Besides just teasing you over how derpy a question it is, here:
[REACTION:UNMELT_GLASS]
[NAME:unmelt glass]
[BUILDING:KILN:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:1:ANY_RAW_MATERIAL:NONE:NONE:NONE][IS_GLASS]
[REAGENT:B:1:BOX:NONE:NONE:NONE][EMPTY][BAG][PRESERVE_REAGENT]
[PRODUCT:100:1:POWDER_MISC:NONE:NONE:NONE][IS_SAND_MATERIAL][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150][PRODUCT_TO_CONTAINER:B]
[FUEL]
[SKILL:SMELT]

>>169330336
Small note: I have no idea what [IS_SAND_MATERIAL] will end up doing with no other conditions, GOOD LUCK EVERYBODY ELSE!

I have a parakeet girl in my map and she just won't come into the fort, she's just flying 20 levels above

guess she has to die

>>169331170
>Polly want a catapult?

how do I turn my wooden splints back into logs?

>sand bags

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mica

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mica

>>169335864
no

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>>169335864
Seems legit.

>keep looking at screen for 5 minutes
>game is paused

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>>169336484
FPS: 1 (1)

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

>>169338149
hire some help

>>169338149
>be elv
>plant seed
>wait for construction to grow

feels good

>>169338149
>>169340101
>Will you lead me to glory and adventure?
>Y-yeah.

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>>169340101
I resurrected some very helpful common snapping turtles, geese, and swans.
Though some lifelong acquaintances of mine from FlickeredMansion seem to have armed themselves and followed me here.
I've just hit the full moon phase and have dropped my building work to go on a wildlife rip and tear spree when I find mangled turtles all up in my house and this guy hiding in a closet.

Ofc in my bestial rage I'm going to tear him apart. But I'll act all sad about it, yeah?

Would you survive /dfg/ if you was transported to the world of Dwarf Fortress with all its fun and hazards

>>169340670
>too autistic to ask for shelter at night
Bogeymen would rip me a new anus.

>>169340670
I would just do what I do in real life, get drunk at the tavern and argue with poets

>>169340670
I don't know, man. I'm afraid of bears.

>>169340670
No, I wouldn't

>FPS death
Alternatively, yes I would
FOREVER

why the fuck am I getting like 20 fps just holding a direction in a completely barren glacier? there's no animals, no companions and super heavy cloud cover (I can only see 1 tile in front of me in the middle of the day!)

>>169343597
now it's dropped to 3 fuckin fps in whats pretty close to a vacuum. For some reason the terrain is perfectly flat for a few world embark tiles, then it goes up 1 z, then flat for a few more embark tiles, then down one z level in a pattern like that. I didn't fuck with meshes at all for this world, what the heck is going on?

>>169343597
>>169344005

you move slower when it's cold

>>169344295
is that it? my speed hasn't dropped at all, and I'd been walking through the cold for a fair while before my fps started shitting itself.

>>169343597
Are you near an ocean or something with refreezing water?

Are the caverns experiencing the population bug?

If you are using dfhack, next time you get a big fps crash pull up the terminal and hit reveal, then exterminate and see how many critters it lists, usual for a wilderness block is like 5 to 100 at a border with several cluster pops like ravens and shit.

>>169340670
>be me
>realize I'm now in a "genre-savvy modern dude in a primitive game setting" show
>start knapping rocks and wrestling wildlife like crazy
>keep an eye on the sky
>make use of my [NATURAL_SKILL:DANCE:15] to get free booze and a room in a tavern
>keep up the rock knapping/throwing and cat strangling until I'm fucking shredded
>head to a nearby hamlet and start picking through the piles of shit in the back for armor and weapons
>see about raising my dabbling swordsman and untrained shield skill
>train up my grasp_strike and stance_strike in friendly brawls before calming folks down for dancing and booze
>get killed by a dragon shortly afterward because I didn't notice the coins around the corner when I made my first attack
>being coated in boiling gold and silver is a lot more painful than I expected...

>>169345753
>Are you near an ocean or something with refreezing water?
That might be it. The main reason this is a problem is because I can't use fast travel since I'm travelling over a frozen ocean.

What are some of your most memorable Dwarf Fort moments?

>Generate new world
>Take two steps outside Hamlet and find a vault
>The guardians are made of ash and die in one hit
>Get slab
>Travel all the way to the Dark Fortress
>Game shits itself with lag
>Sigh
>Spend hours systematically murdering sleeping goblins and helpless trolls. This was before the morale fix so they're all crying and shouting about how afraid they are
>Eventually the lag is manageable
>Go upstairs to the throne room, ready for the ultimate confrontation
>There's just some goblin standing there
>According to Legends the demon has been dead for over 100 years

>>169312601
sci-hub.cc

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Early spring of 132

I fix the sewer system, start with housing, finish the library, finish two temples, make two towers and finish the tavern roof, next is starting with all the other temples

This is the most satisfactory playthrough that I had but invasions have been a joke, the first one was literal just a goblin with her elf slave and the other two were just one squadron each, so I've been thinking about starting a war but the problem is the caravan from the mountainhome doesn't come every year so I have to rely in the human caravan,
I know the logic thing to do is to kill the elfs but I want metals and I don't want to lose the option for animals, what to do?

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>>169347196
Here an image of 129 for comparison, the fort was built in 120

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How are the forts going, lads

>small 2x2 embark space, population capped at 75
>embark in the interior of a continent, far from the mountainhomes, on the shoreline of a large lake
>got a wooden wall topped with fortifications
>have a small fishing industry going
>decided to base my economy around blueberry wine
>pumped water into my fields so I can have lovely large squares of blueberry fields
>have several craftsdwarves making glass pots for the wine
>thinking of expanding the industry into encrusting the pots
>want to get to the point where I'm producing so much blueberry wine in decorated glass pots that I can imagine that my wine is famous throughout the world
>dwarves lives are leisurely enough, save for the field work, wine industry and small militia
>my fort is essentially becoming a little villa in the countryside producing blueberry wine

Once you get past the frustration, death, mutilation, and all around abject suffering of the early game, and get a good fort going, DF really does become the comfiest game

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>>169346083
Uh, that's not a glacier bro, and omae wa mou shindeiru.

>>169347916
Yeah gathering/brewing fruit is one of the comfiest things.

>>169347916
That doesn't sound very Dwarfy, Anon.
You're doing things above ground, like some kind of elf.

>>169347916
I want to do a Trappist monk fort next, with the brewery being reserved for believers of a certain god while everyone else lives in the village below the mountains

>>169348794
>tfw you read Trappist and thought of the star+exoplanet system

>>169347196
If or when you retire/abandon it would you be willing to upload it? It looks amazing

>>169348973
That's partially what inspired me actually

>>169349265
I can upload it now if you want, before I start a war that you don't want

>>169349642
I want to explore it in adventure mode so maybe I do want that war. I wouldn't complain if you uploaded it now though!

>>169347379
How do people manage to pump liquids around so effectively? Building a pump stack seems like a Herculean task....

>>169350482
I'm in a volcano, I only use one pump for the river

>>169350267
Because you are going to use it for adventure mode I didn't bother to put notes for the levers so if someone else download it be carefully with it
https://www.mediafire.com/?aljictaqtzf1ur9

>>169346249
Its kind of two stories at once but yeah this stuck out at me

>Have Succubus mod installed, playing a demonized elf for them sweet bonuses to ranged attacks.
>Train up to legendary crossbowman so I can actually stand a chance in fights
>For context, my town (A single isolated city that contains all demon-kind) is constantly plagued by werecreatures and night-trolls.
>For some reason, my cambion (that's the term for an elf turned into a demon) is friendly with outcast NPCs.
>Get a bright idea
>I recruit squads of outcast NPCs to join me in the fight against nightcreatures.
>And so the purification began.
>Even from the beginning, the attrition rate was incredibly high, and no one was safe from sudden, hideous death.
>About 5 soldiers died for every nightcreature slain.
>My trap demon sees so many people die, grows bitter and jaded.
>Eventually a full moon happens.
>Like 20 werebison turn up in the outskirts of town.
>Whole squad is massacred while my character can only run away.
>Crying and broken, but uninfected, he crawls to his hovel and gives up.
>becomes an alcoholic to numb the pain.
>Eventually, I retire him.

Cont'd in next post

>>169350482
just dig and build the pipes

how hard is it

>>169351258
>Enter the new character on the other side of the island.
>And elephant man wandering hero, who fights nightcreatures one on one through the virtue of his size and hefty axe allowing him to go toe to toe with all manner of nightcreatures.
>Eventually makes his way to my original character's city.
>Happens on a patrol of demons in the wilderness, fighting off a night troll
>Oh shit, my original demon character is among them for some reason, and about to die.
>He must have been recruited to the town military due to his skill, and despite his protests.
>My elephant man charges in just in time and the blow bounces off his hide as he turns and decapitates the monster, saving the squad.
>Talk to them for a bit
>They seem to like him, but he doesn't care since they're ineffectual goons who would only slow him down.
>Part ways a bit later.
>Wanders in the woods for a full month, waiting for the full moon so he can kill as many werebeasts as possible, wanting to add to his glory and killcount.

cont'd in next post

>>169351029
Thanks!!

>>169351935
This sounds familiar

>>169351935
>After ages of waiting, it finally happens.
>Has to act quickly to kill as many as possible, can't let this opportunity go to waste.
>Sees something in the distance and investigates.
>Stumbles into the same patrol, sleeping in a tent while my old demon character keeps watch
>A werebison is sneaking up on him
>Nope.jpg
>fucking tackle the thing before it can get close.
>The two of them work as a team to take the monster down.
>End up having to fight another one minutes later.
>And another.
>Armok help me its a pack of them.
>The monsters thin out after awhile, but the elephant man stays with the camp of hapless guardsmen
>In the end, he realized that it doesn't matter how many monsters you kill if it means you don't protect the people you're fighting for.
>The night ends, and with it any chance to take out the rest of them in one fell swoop.
>Decides to stick with and help the soldiers
>The next week consists of the him recruiting each guard and training them to be hardened warriors, including teaching my cambion to use a sword.
>Eventually they are an A team.
>My elephant is pleased.
>He tells them all goodbye, making sure to praise them all.
>Wanders off into the wilderness
>Finds a wide and deep river
>dives down into it
>Opens his mouth and lets water into his lungs.
>He had been bitten near the end of the werebeast attack.
>No one will ever find a body.
>Everyone will think that he's still out there going on adventures, living a good life.
>Its for the best.

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>>169352731
>Switch back to playing my cambion who is now much stronger than he was before.
>He resumes the purification project, and is much more capable of joining the fight not just as a crossbowman, but as a swordsman.
>Casualties are still fairly high, but not unmanageable, thanks to the teachings of the elephant man.
>Eventually the surrounding wilderness is devoid of threats.
>But there is one more problem.
>The city he lives in is ruled by a vampire king.
>He had ignored his problem for a long time, believing it to be out of his hands.
>But he can ignore it no longer
>The city is shrinking.
>The vampire's appetite is so great that the city will surely collapse in a few decades.
>He assembles a squad of veterans who survived the nightcreature campaign, all titled and high leveled.
>They enter the king's castle.
>Corpses litter the great hall of his keep, from traveling performers to upstanding citizens.
>The cambion stands before the tyrant, and calls him out as a child of the night in front of the royal court.
>The king flees into the catacombs, the party pursuing in a running battle
>Several are killed
>Eventually he's cornered by two veterans, but they can't keep up with his monstrous power and skill.
>At this rate, they'll all be slaughtered one by one.
>My cambion takes careful aim
>His bolt strikes the vampire in the leg, causing him to fall over.
>An axeman uses the opening to cut off the being's head.
>Its finally over.

And so, the cambion redeemed himself after a miserable and bloody war, avenged his fallen comrades, and saved his city from a bloodthirsty tyrant. All thanks to a wandering beastman who finally realized that there was more to life than the taking of it.

>>169353481
Gay.

why can't I fill my sand holes with sand bags

>>169351794
Powering it. Can you do it without a water reactor or another exploit?

>>169354737
I just tell the dwarves to pump it, works fine

I don't see the point of using other power sources, unless you need an absurd amount of magma

>>169355138
But don't you need one dwarf on every pump? And if you have like a 50 z stack then you need 50 dwarves pumping at once.

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>>169355287
So?

>>169355287
throw a small cistern in every 50-100 z levels then

>>169355578
So, if one gets hungry the whole process stops.

>>169355287
yes, a single dwarf per pump

I tell them to pump and once they're done they go back to whatever they were doing before

>>169355634
Good idea.

>>169355663
have you ever done pump stacks before? that shit is incredibly fast

how much magma do you need? are you trying to flood the whole embark?

>>169355810
I've never done it before. I've only used pumps for aquifer piercing. I don't know. People always talk about pumping magma everywhere all over the fortress and onto invaders and stuff.

>>169355810
>not greedily pumping as much magma as dwarvenly possible

I wonder when actual lighting will be added to the game, rather than the buggy, lame "sunlight/outside" system we have now. Pretty lame that there's no way to increase your vision cone at night in adventure mode with torches or anything in the current version.

I am NOT gay.

>>169355972
fire/ campfires not producing light in adventure mode bothers me to no end

>>169354737
Windmill. Lots of windmill

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>>169355972
It is annoying that your vision cone is a vision sphere.

>>169354737
>implying dwarven fusion is an exploit rather than them being that damn advanced

Are the interactions in "interactions examples" literally just examples or are they the actual interactions the game uses to create those procedural entities?

>>169356848
Yes

>>169356848
They are generic copies of the ones the game uses, but it randomly varies some values, and the actual files in that folder don't do anything.

If you want to poke at the generated ones directly you could look through gui/gm-editor df.global.world.raws.interactions if you felt like it, the last hundred or so should all be generated stuff.

Update when

>>169360195
December

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>>169315894
I did this and it sort of worked, kind of. There's no more bruising, at least, but those guts should probably be looked at.

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>>169362253
Hmmm, here's my first attempt at a straightforward fix: http://pastebin.com/cyJg5yhs

Doesn't have the extra parts and stuff, but some of the part definitions sound kinda funny, might be better to just do a copy of the quadruped neck hoof definition and rename those sections and make sure the [SKELETON] tag is on all the parts, I'll try it out cause why not right?

Also it sets everything on fire, not sure if you intended that, but it's the situation now.

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Made a shlong fort by accident.

>>169365774
"""""""""""""accident""""""""""""""