/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

first for finland confirmed next civ dlc

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1st for pre FTL XCOM defending their planet from YOU.

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>tfw combined fleet action

Carrier group
>Fleet carrier
>3x3 Bomber wings
>2 FAC's on heavy bomber configuration
>1 FAC on crew rescue and recovery configuration

Frontier first response fleet
>C2 Frigate
>4 Missile Frigates
>1 Auxillary sensor Frigate
>Marine company
>Support Collier/Tanker

Battle fleet
>Battle Cruiser - Flag ship of the fleet, fresh from Jove Yards
>2 Missile Cruisers
>Advanced sensor Frigate
>5 Heavy beam Destroyers
>3 Point defense Frigates
>5 Missile Frigates
>2 Marine Brigades

Auxiliary fleet
>Fleet Collier
>Fleet Tanker
>Combat Tug
>Crew rescue and recovery Frigate
>Auxiliary jump tender

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Wish me luck on my first game with Hyperlane

>>169129463
Why not Brotherhood of the Star Ocean?
Since you're going for the piracy shtick you should go with Military Junta or Military Dictatorship since they focus on your fleets as apposed to your ground troops.

>>169129684
>Why not Brotherhood of the Star Ocean?
Like the Sea of Stars High above
>you should go with Military Junta or Military Dictatorship since they focus on your fleets as apposed to your ground troops
O shid i fugged up
Thought the bonus on starbases was about ports
No biggie, easily fixed

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>>169129378
>nothing matters because the enemy will always send their death blob to your homeworld

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>>169129684
>>169129924
That restart really worked out

>>169130516
>Carribean

It's actually Caribbean :^)

Looks like you'll have to restart again :^)

>>169130639
Pirates are not vocabulary scholars

Why can't utopia be out already? I want to remake all my factions with the cool new empire editor. Finally I can use whatever government type I want. I've always wanted to make a military republic but the bonuses were so garbage I could never make one viable. Now I can make a military republic and give it whatever bonuses I want.

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>>169129152

Ayy lmao

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>>169129152
>>169130864

>Apeniggers in charge of defending themselves

>>169131060
well that's how XCOM2 begins

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>>169129152
Wow they annoy my abduction fleets. Good job.

>>169131190
xcom is an organization of peace

>>169131190
>>169131604

Either of you have the XCOM suicide bomber webm?

>spawn on my own little peninsula
>settle the front of it before the back to stop any incursions
>start back settling
>find there are 2 polish settles on the back of my peninsula
>alt f4
every time

>>169130516
>carribean

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>>169130762

>Illiterate pirates not only managing to develop space travel, but practical ftl

What are some necessary mods for stellaris? Where I can get them without using steam?

>>169133272
The best mod I have found is the uninstall button.

>>169133272
>using mods when the mod apocalypse is about to descend

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>>169130762
Some have PhD

>>169133272
Base game + DLC is pretty good, considering that none of the game's many problems are fixed by installing a mod that was developed by a bored 16 year old who doesn't know anything about space or strategy.

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>>169133272

If you're bored, get the XL titan laser mod that also converts normal XL weapons to L.

>>169133272
Take your pick of these awesome stellaris mods:
>real world flags
>movie/book reference flags
>more flags of an unspecified variety
>cosmetic changes to one or more races
>controversial racial mod for humans
>"improved" graphics
>mod that claims to fix the AI (it doesn't)
>"more (resource)" mod with 1000+ subscriptions because most people are fags who play on easiest difficulty and still lose
>mod that adds a shitload of traits to empire creation and totally imbalances the game

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>>169133272

No Clustered Starts is fucking mandatory, unless you want to find yourself always surrounded by other empires 2 systems away

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>>169133365

>tfw some of your favorite mods are always left behind and forgotten by the creator after every patch

>>169133215
Maybe they are just dyslexic

>play Stellaris
>clustered start
>start next to advanced empire that hates me
>restart
>pick random
>start between two empires that hate me and a xenophobic FE
What the fuck

>>169133215
>Yarrrr astrophysics be easy but grammar an spellin be more treacherous than the sea itself

>>169136302
>restarting until you get exactly the start you want

>>169136486
I just want a comfy start that lets me expand a bit before I have to start fighting wars.

>>169136554
git gud @ diplomacy

>>169137346
>stellaris
>diplomacy
lol

>>169136302
Fallen empires don't matter. Just expand in the other direction.

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Is Age of Wonders 3 fun?

>>169137506
It matters when you're right next to two aggressive empires who also expand away from the FE and one of them shares a world preference with you.

>>169138936
I got bored after a single campaign. There's not a lot of depth to managing cities, you just spam upgrades til you eventually have everything. It's more focused on the tactical battles which are actually pretty fun, but it takes a while to fight everything out.

>>169139060
I remember trying the tactical battles, and I found them really bad.

>>169139163
Compared to what? I don't have a lot of experience playing that style of combat so to me it was something new and engaging. If kinda easy.

>>169131060

>implying humans are not fanatic purifiers by nature

>>169139249
Compared to, I dunno, Heroes of Might of Magic.

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>>169138936
Sundren a cute!!!

I started playing yesterday and it seems fun but like other anon said; not a lot of depth. But I like fantasy setting so it'll probably hold my interest for a while

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is a planet with ideal atmosphere but no water better than one with no oxygen that has water? how much does water matter in aurora?

>>169139402

>Fanatic Purifiers
>Can't purify they're homeworld

JUST
U
S
T

>>169140824
>they're

>>169130639
>>169130762
>>169133215
You do know you can rename any solar system and planet within your borders by clicking on the name of the planet/star in the windows that appears whenever you select them, right?

is there anything better than bullying the shit out of fallen empires?

>>169144549
sex

>>169144630
>2012+5
>Having sex
Anon, pls.

>>169140230
Atmosphere composition doesn't matter, only things that matter are temperature, oxygen % and pressure, the other gases only affect those 3 indirectly

Why is spiritualist-collectivist-militarist the undisputed greatest picks in the game?

>>169141895
yes, yes, yes, you party pooper

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>>169128921
GET FUCKING HYPED

> space (.) com/35790-seven-earth-size-planets-trappist-1-discovery.html
> space (.) com/35784-trappist-1-earth-size-exoplanets-pictures-gallery.html?utm_source=notification

Anyone have a link for a master of orion 2 download?

>>169148983
master of orion 1 just came out mate, I don't think there'll be a 2 for a couple of years

>>169149192
can a non-newfag answer me?

>>169148983
have you checked, I dunno, like ANY torrent sites?

>>169150804
i dont wanna get HACKED dude

>>169151047
>calls others newfags

>>169151238
>>169151047
I was being ironic but i have and there aren't any good ones 2bh senpai

>>169148601
That's only according to what scientists say. What does the Bible say? It doesn't mention planets around TRAPPIST-1 at all. Scientism is a disproven religion.

Are there any species concepts or government ideas that just *fit* with certain modes of interstellar travel?

Like, I always see the Not!Elves (both creepy blue and hot fuccboi varieties) using hyperlanes because, you know, leylines.

Likewise, Fanatic Spiritualists always feel like they'd use wormholes.

>>169136554
>I just want a comfy start that lets me expand a bit before I have to start fighting wars.

Here's how you do this.

Huge galaxy, 4-armed spiral, 8 starting civilizations, 1 advanced nation, random start.

You'll usually find your first neighbor by the time you fill out your Core Systems, and when you meet your first continued expansion is as easy as going the opposite direction (or just around them.)

>>169151268
that's not irony and there's several MoO 2 torrents on kat/tpb

>>169151497
My rules of thumbs:
Wormhole is the standard
Warp is for aliens who don't give a shit about travel (maybe they're long lived or they reproduce fast enough to offset it)
Ancient aliens use Hyperlanes

>>169152025
>kat
not up anymore, current one is meme site

link to tpb one?

The unit snapping in CIV6 is the worst thing to be included in a video game ever.

I hope venerable will get a point cost reduction for gene modding. It seems to me that the very first thing a species would do when getting such technology is to extend their lives. Hell, I could see the biology path having an upgrade which makes your dudes immortal or at least live for hundreds of more years.

>>169153284
>Hell, I could see the biology path having an upgrade which makes your dudes immortal or at least live for hundreds of more years.

We've already seen the capstone for Biological and it fucking suckkkkkks.

>>169152926
>current one is meme site
yeah it's pretty shit atm but it hosts mostly the same stuff found everywhere else..

https://pirate.trade/s/?q=master+of+orion+2&page=0&orderby=99

I have to use pirate.trade which is just a proxy because .se is blocked in my country. Anyway there are a few there. I haven't tried them, hope they work for you

>>169152993
Just wait until you try the mouse scrolling.

>>169153338
That's what the capstone should be though. You should get maximum age of >500 years, get extra happiness for being a biologically perfect being, and at least 10 traits.

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Repostan unbiased OC

Will Robots and genetically-modified versions of your primary race still be treated as xenos in the next update?

I find it kinda' weird that a Xenophobe empire would be okay with using Gene Warriors but not modifying its citizens to be conformists or adapt to different environments and shit.

>>169154623
I think Psionic Ascension would be more like turning your people into not!Unbidden.

>>169154646

Gene Warriors aren't genetically engineered, they're genetically modified.

Big difference, one's snipping off the fat and leaving glorious killing potential, the other's fiddling with the GATTACA strings.

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>>169154623

>Psionic Ascension
>Not pic related

Ftfy*

What's the name of that speculative future series that had a race of beings known as the Qu that conquered Humanity and bio-engineered them into all sorts of terrors?

If I recall, the toughest stuff in the series turned out to be robutts.

>>169155213
it's not a series, it's just the one book
all tomorrows

>>169155213
All Tomorrows

Link can't be posted here

You can find it easily

>>169152926
kat just relaunched legit but good luck finding the real one amidst all the scam urls

>>169154646
>I find it kinda' weird that Warhammer 40k
Just because the emperor is a psychic doesn't mean it's OK to be nonhuman, anon.

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>>169155213

The other anons told you, but the Qu are honestly the only inspired thing about it. Most of it is breddy shit-tier, complete with a ham-fisted tweest ending.

>>169154816
>psionic ascension final perk:
>all your ships and planets disappear
>your leaders turn into awesome space monsters
>you can still recruit more leaders and play the game normally, except that now your leaders are all on the map with 100k power per skill level

>>169155475
>Link can't be posted here
how'd that come about? did /tg/ shitpost too hard?

>>169154646

Both Robots and Gene Warriors are by default made in their creators' image (it's fucking obnoxious that Paracucks couldn't even go through the effort of making unique synthetic models for each species,) therefore they're not xenos, but either the distilled combination of the strengths of the race or creations of that race's technological knowledge, which makes them a point of pride.

>>169156256
Also you don't need to worry about space marines polluting the gene pool because white women don't mate with them.

>>169156041
No idea really.

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>>169155938

(((Wiz))) might actually deliver on this one.

Did you see the screenshot with the shroud offer that gives you shit like +100% Food, +100% Mineral/Energy production, +100% Construction speed, and +100% physics/society/engineering output but with red text that says DON'T CLICK THIS OPTION.

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>>169156478

>tfw the Space Marine modification that kills their sex drive wasn't originally intended by the Emprah, but actually added by human manlets after the Great Crusade to curb the lust of human grills for the BIG ASTARTES COCK

>>169156553
So, who is going to be the crazy motherfucker who will do it to tell us all about it?

I'd probably do it. No way it can be worse than LEX's Arcadia chain.

>>169157070
>No way it can be worse than LEX's Arcadia chain.
you've never gone Seeking, have you
this is alexis kennedy we're talking about

>>169157070
What exactly happens in that event chain, the most I did was bust open a bunch of Gatekeepers and then get the galaxy turned into one giant plant tumor.

>>169157070

>click it
>computer blue screens
>installs a virus called Unbidden
>bricks your hard drive if it detects pirated Paradox DLC

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>>169157070

>So, who is going to be the crazy motherfucker who will do it to tell us all about it?

Me on my first playthrough. I want to see if they take the 40k theme and play it out to the end-game.

>Already have a race of space elves ready
>going to make all the bad decisions
>hope that giving in to the Shroud not only turns your species into eldritch horrors, but also tears a massive hole in reality in the middle of your empire that automatically summons the Unbidden or something similar regardless of date or prior crises

Someone has to do it

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>>169157719

Right on, broseph.

I'll be over here gnawing on the Biological path like a boxer with a bone.

>>169157438
Haven't finished it because of a mix of lel crash and the game turning into a massive slog that waiting longer would make me want to kill myself but basically

>find system with size 25 shielded Gaia world
>bringing down shield is nothing special
>planet has a lot of ruins covering it but also a perfect spot for a administration (as in it has 4 FE buildings around it)
>also insanely good planet modifiers and 4 obelisks that provide fucking insane research boosts and production
>get events to activate obelisks and boost research even higher
>after activating 3 (if I recall) obelisks shit happens
>insanely fucking strong ayys take over the system
>drop frontier outposts on steroids in nearby systems because fuck you
>if you have a fleet stationed there it joins the ayys, NEVER station your Doomstack in Arcadia
>after wiping them out and liberating the system get told to raze the obelisks
As I said, never made it to the end it because I underestimated how bad performance can get on a huge galaxy and just couldn't stand it. I started a new game on a smaller galaxy to see it and the other events through.

>>169157719
>>169157858

Going full machine here.

>tfw an event spawns of three massive Visitor ships from another galaxy
>one made of metals and nanomachines
>one thats basically a giant living organism with Alex Mercer prototype powers
>one thats made of pure psionic energy
>literally here for sight seeing says Hello and promptly leaves after giving you a Tech gift

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>>169157858

Enjoy your +3 traits lmao

>Not letting based extradimensional entities into your collective psyche
>2295

H-haha

Send help ;__;

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>>169158215

>mfw I bio-engineer the Tau

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>>169158132

>tfw an event spawns of three massive Visitor ships from another galaxy

Is this actually an event they're adding, or are you making shit up?

>>169158416
Made it up, but would be amusing.

>show up in your galaxy
>each ship over 100k strong
>each one feels like you're fighting an entire crisis crammed into one ship

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>mfw Paradox weren't so completely bankrupt that they made the Mass Relay system from Mass Effect as an FTL option

>>169158795
isn't that basically the wormhole generators though?

>>169158873

Not really, it'd be more like a combination of Wormhole and Hyperlanes.

Mass Relays are not omni-directional. They can launch ships across immense distances almost instantaneously - but only with another Relay they're keyed to.

>>169159027
Except for that one Relay in 2.

I do kinda wish there were Hyperlanes that let you travel completely absurd distances, like those ones that show up on the galactic edge sometimes but on the interior instead.

I never realized how bad Civ 5 was without NQmod until I removed it

Literally every tourism and culture wonder, and still only manage\d to generate 7/450 artist points a turn

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>>169158608

Damn. They've already implemented 40k, Babylon 5, Mass Effect, Star Wars, XCOM, and Cthulhu shit into the game, how long till they add top-tier Homeworld motifs?

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>>169159282
>having to deal with The Beast in Stellaris

>>169159259
>Except for that one Relay in 2.

That Relay was the first major red flag that Bioware wasn't giving a shit about their lore anymore.

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>>169159461

>It assimilates the Prethoryn Scourge

>>169159507
Yeah, but I always wondered why there were so many Batarians running around in the Terminus if they had to get through all that Council space first.
I mean it raises more pressing questions than that but still.

>>169159461
The idea of The Beast touching down on a planet literally made me short of breath. Would it really ravage the surface or does it require a biological and technological ratio closer to spaceships?

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>mfw I attach Psi Drives to all my ships

>>169159779

The half-assed explanation was that the Batarians were essentially Space North Korea/Pakistan.

They were a nuisance that many wanted to eradicate, yet weren't worth the effort of going to war with as they could theoretically mobilize a massive number of pirates/slavers/mercs that would cause more political headaches than bringing them to heel was worth.

>>169160009
>Any sign of the Unbidden yet?
>Negative sir
>KEEP JUMPING BACK AND FORTH DAMN IT

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>>169159657
>it appears in the middle of a War in Heaven
>starts assimilating both awakened empire's fleets
>Beast infected Titans with beams that instantly take over battleships

>>169159942
if thinking about being ravaged makes you short of breath you've got problems lass

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>>169159942

It can and will absorb anything remotely biological, and if there's biological life near technology, it will use that life's tissue to form organic circuitry that gives it control of that technology.

>tfw the fucking screams when a beast missile hit a civilian ship

>>169160515
And people pretend that Cataclysm wasn't the best Homeworld.

>>169160584
>people pretend cataclysm exists

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>>169160009

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>>169160515

>"IT'S KILLING US"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDcELUCroDs

>>169160584
I wouldn't know. I've never played and unfortunately never will. There will never be a remake.

>>169140230
The worst that can happen is an ice shelf melts and it might (but probably won't) fuck up your terraforming if it's a planet that you have to push to the limits of human atmospheres to get to the right temp and oxygen.

I can't remember if the will ever refreeze but neither are worth colonizing unless they have minerals unless you're desperate for commercial trade for some reason. Commercial movers are useful. I can't be arsed to move all those auto-mines.

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>>169161309

Play it right fucking now faggot.

https://torrenty.to/1313386-homeworld-cataclysm-pc-ver101

>>169161660

>Tfw no Predator movie
>tfw none of the men are sexual tyrannosauri
>Tfw they have a kid

>>169147504
PURGE

I prefer materialist for better tech but spiritual is fine too

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>>169161798

But anon, they are making a new Predator movie :^)

>You DO like Olivia Munn, right anon?

>You DO like a child MC in a Predator movie, RIGHT anon?

>>169162129

Olivia Munn has not been relevant for FIVE YEARS. In online years that's like 30.

And they all look like such limp-wristed losers, it's like they don't know what made Predator so great.

>>169162274

>And they all look like such limp-wristed losers, it's like they don't know what made Predator so great.

Exactly, and they're obviously going to make it 2edgy5me, yet with a miraculously happy ending since dude the chilluns lmao.

Honestly the best part of Predators was the surprise that Adrian Brody can be a credible action hero and not just a slackjawed limp-wristed Jew faggot.

A shame he didn't do jack shit with it.

>>169162274
>it's like they don't know what made Predator so great
You say that now, but over a decade from now two of those actors will be governors.

>>169162129

Why is the director touching that small child.

Why is the cast 80% black yet I know the white guy's going to survive.

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>protective

Blorgs realy are the best. I was expanding like crazy and this advanved start nigga guaranteed my independence, made no agrression pact with me then gave me a research agreement since i was so far behind tech thanks to all the planets. all because i a fellow fanatic materialist

>>169162735

Do the BLORG live in Brussels?

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>>169162604

The white guy has to survive so that he can get #MUNN'd and raise some guy's wife's autistic son

Is Stellaris end game on larger galaxies ever going to be playable? Or are they just going to abandon it for shiny new $10 DLC's?

>>169163294
it is?

>>169163294

What did he mean by this?

>>169163294
Do you mean the lagging?

>>169163789
Ye

I liked how in Civ: Beyond Earth newer Affinity buildings were on the outer limits of a city and the older boxy buildings were in the middle to show that the city is growing outward.

>Decide to finally play humans
>Sol system is full of resources
>Nearby systems have energy/minerals in the double digits
>A little further ahead are two dead ringworlds for easy engineering
>Just north of Sol is Gargantua
It has to be one of the mods I've got, there's no way a start can be this good vanilla.

>>169164185
Probably won't get any better, but is watching the fights late game that important anyway? At least I never get any lag as long as I don't watch fleet in action.

>>169164185

Sadly probably not. All you can do is get a better pc.

I'm running it on a 2016 laptop and the lategame runs flawlessly unless I'm selecting a fuckhuge fleet.

>Paradox
>Optimization

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>>169164449

Humans are OP. For extra keks, install the ringworld restoration mod. Enjoy your free 600 pops.

>>169164781
12*25=300

>>169164781
I do in fact have that already.

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>>169164781

>Takes 50+ years to fully restore 1 (ONE) ring section

>Needs not only a maxed energy stockpile, but 4-5 late-game techs and multiple units of multiple strategic resources

>free

That mod will make you overpowered if you pull it off, but it fucking makes you work for it.

>>169162274

The lead of Predators was fucking Adrian Brody and he managed to not be limp-wristed.

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>>169164914

>yfw when he said 2 dead ringworlds

>>169164781
Does each pop represent 1 billion individuals?

>>169165693
That's what I assume, although when you consider things like medieval civs it sorta falls apart.

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>playing Civ 6
>researched: rocketry
>nuclear fission
>satellites
>lasers
>guidance systems
>nuclear fusion
>nanotechnology
>still haven't researched ELECTRICITY

So, we've got a new, 3-point Hive Mind ethos that ignores happiness and factions.

We've got Civics options to go along with our ethos, traits, and governments.

Utopia's gonna be pretty wild, huh?

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>Be >>169164449
>Find the fucking Tree of Life by 2230 two systems from home
Jesus FUCK what is going on.

>>169165774
Maybe it's like Civ cities where additional pops are nearly double the size of previous pops.

>>169165939
the civ 6 tech tree is kind of fucked, yeah

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>>169166028
>Science vessel ends up inside Xenophobic FE while I wasn't looking
>Instantly declares war
I knew it wouldn't last.

I think in the original Ringworld books the ring had a population of over 1 trillion humanoids.

>>169167241
>over 1 trillion humanoids
Did they poo in loo?

>>169167384
English please, not inane (and old) meme-anese.

>>169165979

It's Paradox. Half of the additions are going to be fucking goat, and the other half will break shit so badly as to completely cancel out the good half.

>>169167241

The 12-planet ringworld setup isn't perfect at all, but it's not completely gamebreaking either, and still would represent 300 billion people.

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>listening to muh Stellaris playlist
>pic related popup happens
>link related starts playing

https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PL03477EC1F9CA9BA0&params=OAFIAVgg&v=hameCvYsAyw&mode=NORMAL

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>>169168956

Fucking Baneshit I swear. Meant this

>>169169070
bane?

Wait...
So it would just be day all the time on a ringworld.
The population would go insane. Even with completely dark rooms.

>>169171007
no, they wouldn't

>>169171007
Never been to Russia or Scandinavia, haven't you?

>>169171104
No, but that's only for a few months out of the year. And even then, it's not major metropolitan areas.

>>169168956
>>169169070
>Big guy in the playground...
Sounds extremely painful.

>>169171074
>>169171104
>implying they aren't a little sketch
people get better sleep in the dark and work better in daylight. A day/night cycle is very beneficial to humans

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>>169171007
That's what the inner solar panels are for.

>>169171673
Just close the windows nigga

is it just me or does neighbouring aliens in stellaris always share the same biomes and ethos?

>>169171673
Evolution would take care of any such problem.

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I'm just starting out with Distant Worlds Universe and there are a couple of things I don't understand. I've gotten my empire up and running twice in different games before being eaten by worms/aliens, but 80% of the time I'm simply stuck right from the start. I built one small spaceport (removed all weapon parts from the design to make it cheaper), one exploration ship and one construction ship, but apparently I'm already bankrupt on resources because I am unable to even build a single mining station.
Is there something fundamental I'm missing here?
Also a secondary question; is there any way to view the total cost in resources of a design?

>>169172990
First one, make sure all your ships (even the civilians one) have warp drive.
Second, don't build stations unless you have a very strong reason to do so (missing ressource, research bonus).
Third, tax your colony only barely enough to not be in the red.

>>169172378
Just you. I play Spiritualists and 8/10 times I'm surrounded by materialists.

>>169173678
>First one, make sure all your ships (even the civilians one) have warp drive.
Yeah I figured the extra speed would be important.

>Second, don't build stations unless you have a very strong reason to do so (missing ressource, research bonus).
I'm starting at pre-warp, in my experience the civil sector ships just loiter around until I build a mining station somewhere. How am I supposed to gather resources otherwise?

>Third, tax your colony only barely enough to not be in the red.
I've set it at about 10% to promote growth, should it be higher/lower?

I think I might have figured it out, the moment my spaceport is up and running the ai spams a ton of civilian ships (freighters, miners etc), that might be the black hole all my resources vanish into. I barely have time to build a single mine and get the early warp tech before I become deadlocked.

>>169174194
Civilians mining ship will gather most of the ressources, but you need mining stations for at least fuel (check in the ship designer), and whatever you need more. You start with a stockpile of ressources, use your colony planner screen to see what ressources are in high demand.

>I've set it at about 10% to promote growth, should it be higher/lower?
Ideally, it should be at 0% for maximum growth, but in early game, you have no choice. Check in your economy screen if the civilian economy strives or don't, and adjust the taxes in consequences.

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>>169174283
I'd like to add, redesigning your mining stations to have a couple guns or missiles to defend itself will help fend off pirate escorts, they tend to run after their shields drop and they take hull damage.

Is there a guide or tutorial or something for AOW3? First time playing an AOW game and I have no idea what the fuck I am doing. In game descriptions only provide so much info.

main questions:
What should I be prioritising in my cities?
Should I be building a lot of cities?
Are ranged units OP?

>>169174576
Oh yeah, that too.
But in the very early game, shouldn't it be better to minimize the amount of systems to lower the costs?

>>169174705
Barracks.
No.
Kinda.

>>169174724
Saves on how big your early fleet is, better than losing your first few mines early on as well. Also will help them against the lower tier space critters.Even just 2 weapons goes a long waay i my experience.
Also I got tired of my early escorts getting turned against me by pirates.

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>>169174283
Is there any way to 'force' them to mine? It seems they just hang around doing nothing, or is that a result of supply and demand. As in pic related, I can no longer afford to build a mining station, long before my construction ship has reached the closest gas giant, even though there's plenty of resources on the moon right next to me and other planets not too far away.

>>169175115
You can't "force" civilians to do anything. Welcome to democracy.

>>169175115
You need to scout your system and others. Find minerals and then they'll start scouting.

>>169174705
>accept quest
>says 'no turn limit'
>20 or so turns later
>quest failed
>quest giver now supports your enemy
t-thanks

This game is already annoying me.

>>169174724
thanks for the info

>>169175390
Start mining*

>>169162735

You got patronage from a xenophobic advanced NPC AI? Well, thats new...

>>169175405
I had worse in Warlock.

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>>169157719

What? psionics and geno cancer? No.

>the flesh is weak

>>169140824

>No xenos on the ground
>Still has will to purify others from the same species

There.

>>169167215

It never happens. They just kick you out. They do get mad as fuck due to border friction though.

>>169176381
>Never happens
Considering all the other ridiculous shit that's going on, I can believe that it almost never happens.
Granted I had two frontier outposts right next to them to claim two empty ringworlds so the science ship was probably the last straw.

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>leaders are useless and don't even have full voice acting
>all civs are the same
>simple repetitive trade and diplomacy
>simple repetitive tech tree

Is V better?

>>169176537
IV is better than V.

>>169176537
Also it doesn't have any missions or goals other than destroying your enemy

It's like the worst of a strategy game with the worst of a grand strategy game

so yeah, the final of the four dlc packs is a double civ

>>169176681
literally saving 5$ by buying the deluxe edition, if the twin civs are 10$. what a fucking shitty deal.

I remember there was a page on the wiki that had almost every possible variable you could use for modding
what happened to it?

I wish Battle Realms got a sequel.
I liked the comfy little Dragon village.

Wow quill18 Aurora lets play is actually !!FUN!! to watch, make me want to try the game

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>>169176681
>>169176791
Guess who's coming to party?

>>169179072
Serpent's better.
But yeah, I liked the scale of Battle Realms, thought it was pretty neat that you had to tame horses and shit.
> tags are not supported on /vg/.
Please tell me this is a mistake.

>>169179201
I like Dragon because people were nicer.
Serpents were all dicks, and their first building is a tavern.
Plus Dragon had archers. I love archers.

Why is it Serpent and not Snake, by the way?

>>169179182
this is the first time macedonia is ever in Civ right

>>169179329
As their own Civilization and not lumped in with Greece, I think so.

>>169179370
they were lumped before? I don't remember that in III

>>169179072
>>169179201
>>169179265
I like the Serpents because muskets and cannons.

Then again, the Dragons had cannoneers too, and also Samurai that fought in both range and melee.

I also like the Wolves because they had guys that carried ballistas on their backs and guys that sounded like Arnold and carried giant sledgehammers.

>>169179408
alexander the great was in civ 5, who was the leader of Macedon.

>>169179494
oh right

>>169179265
I guess because Serpent also has the connotations of dragons as well, but also snakes. Like a dragon that was cast down or decided to mess with mortals instead of chill up in the heavens.
>>169179478
>I like the Serpents because muskets and cannons.
Basically my reasoning too. Musketeer troops > Archer troops.
I think I used to like Lotus more than Wolves, but looking back, Wolves were much cooler. Them shale golems.

>>169179478
Muskets were fun, yeah. Cannoneers, I dunno. Their balls look silly. The Sumo Cannoneers look a bit more impressive.

And I don't like the Wolves or the Lotus because they look way too differents from the others. They're fun to play and the Wolves Druidess are really good, but aesthetically speaking, I hate them.

>>169179613
>Musketeer troops > Archer troops
Bitch I challenge you to a battle.
Final Destination, no item, Fox only.

>>169179754
As far as heroes or elite cadres go, archers > musketeers.
But for the common soldier, musketeers > archers, unless you've got an obscene amount of archers, a la 'Hero'.
t. British Longbowman

>>169179972
But in Battle Realms, you're extremely limited.

>>169180082
Hence why muskets always win, baby!

>>169180182
Muskets are dumb, shit, requires no training at all, and make you overconfident.

>>169180267
Which is why I give them to commoners.

>>169180308
You're upsetting the natural order by giving weapons to peasants.

>>169180362
They're peasants and they get trained in taverns that I supply.
I am the natural order now.
Me and my elite archery division.

>>169180464
That honestly made me laugh the first time I played the demo.
>Dragon peasants train in dojos, learning how to become deadly weapons by themselves
>Serpent peasants are just sent to a tavern and are given a sword after a few drunken rounds

Is there any way to shrink my border in stellaris? This fallen empire is getting buttmad at me existing.

>>169180909
not really. Purge all you pops on the closest planet is about the only option. If it's an outpost just disband it

>>169180686
Don't forget that if you put a peasant in a pond or something he becomes a girl, though I think the actual fluff for that is that they "trade" peasants for Geisha instead of turning them into one.

>>169181097
Yeah, they do. The peasant take the geisha's place, which allow her to come on the battlefield.

And it's more or less admitted that the Serpent's fan geishas are prostitutes.
Better lube up.

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>>169165939
you don't actually need electricity for any of those except maybe guidance

>not enjoying your steampunk satellites

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Am I fucked?

>>169176642
quests in a 4x suck massive donkey dick

it was cute for a first playthrough of endless legend due to the fantasy setting but then it got boring and I would rather turn them off

>>169182092
How did you manage to fuck up that badly.

>>169181628
if aliens wanted to kill us we'd be long dead already

there is no great silence, SETI is just extremely dumb

>>169181628
>tfw can't weaponise wormhole stations to plant ships directly into enemy planets

>>169182210
I didn't pay attention to ethics diversion and started purging xenos when some of my pops started to get individualist. 3 planets started rebelling and now I'm getting fuckall resources.

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>>169181628
That video honestly made me think... what if WE are the great and horrifying evil in the galaxy? we've always imagined hostile races who would want to see us enslaved or killed but what if WE are the bad guys... the grotesque monsters who threaten the universe?

>>169182507
Does that make me a evil priest?

>>169182092
>2443
>that small

>>169182507
>you
>thinking
not possible

we haven't even left earth

>>169182507
It would be pretty radical.
Although I'm sure there are probably aliens asking the same thing on their Arcturian Quasar Weaving forums right now.
>Have one of those Extra Event mods running
>Playing as humans
>Research an anomaly
>Results in one of my science ships landing on a very tiny, intelligent civilisation
>They start throwing rocks at my scientist's shoes
Great mod.

>>169182627
I had a really shit start, where I could barely colonise anything without fucking over my economy completely.

>>169181628
kek, that was great. Come at me filthy xenos, I'll fucking eat you! The rule of two has nothing on survival of the fittest!

>>169182785
name of mod?

>>169182851
>eating xenos
I like that idea.

>>169182875
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=727000451
This ought to be it.

>>169182998
Bare in mind though that the mod seems to throw a lot of events at you, so you might get much more of a head start than you would in a regular game.

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https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-dev-diary-62-government-civics-and-hive-minds.1001169/

>>169183252
when are they going to fix the AI? literally every single other change they make will be pointless until war is possible

>>169165939

i discovered the internet in civ 5 before i had computers

>>169183252
>Fanatic purifiers are a paid feature
Bravo, Paradox.

>>169183309
It was an actual series of tubes. Like a huge pneumatic message system.

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>>169183252
>i can finally be true xenomorphs in stellaris
about damn time!

>>169183252
>While Hive Minds are psionic by nature, the way they function and their connection to the Shroud is radically different from that of regular psychics, making them unable to follow the Psionic Ascension Path.
I hope this means there's a kind of Tyranid-ish "Shadow in the Warp" effect.
Maybe more Hive Mind pops/proximity to Hive Minds affecting the outcome of Shroud interactions?

>>169183707
Haaa, look at this mommy protecting her young.

>>169183572

it came from the same nation that built submarines before we had gunpowder, so we were experts in that kind of thing

>>169183252

>Hive Minds can't be fanatic purifiers

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>>169184436
>any non hive mind pops will be processed into food
>not fanatical purifiers
wat?

>>169184436
Hive minds are whatever you want them to be.
You're the hive mind.

>>169184436

I'm more angry that Fanatic Spiritualists can't become fanatical purifiers.

Nope, only people that can become purifiers are those who reject the spirit for the flesh.

>>169182835
Lern2early game
Also, colonization is totally worth fucking over your economy

>>169184527
That seems wierd. I don't see why a hive mind would automatically eat non hivemind pops. What if hey where from a friendly empire?

>>169184850

If you're not skirting a negative energy score even without a colony under construction, you're doing it wrong.

Minerals are paramount in the early game, expansion and science for the mid-game and energy in the late game.

>>169184630
Well. It's all archetypes.
If you're xenophobic to the extent that you exterminate on sight with absolutely no exceptions then being locked into Fanatical Xenophobe and Militarist makes sense.

It's not like you can't purge everything as Fanatical Spiritualist & Xenophobe. You just don't get the 33% fire rate and in return can actually engage in diplomacy as well as having the opportunity to think "maybe these very strong fucking heathens would be better as slaves rather than dead"

>>169184527
>>169185217
>hiveminds are automatically evil

morninglightmountain did nothing wrong

>play Japan on normal speed
>everything going peaceful so don't plan on war
>research Samurai so I figure why not, and start training a few
>finish 3 before a few Eurekas spirit me away to gunpowder
>suddenly Samurai are obsolete
You got to be careful in Civ 6. Tech progression can be erratic. If you simply follow the most efficient course by researching techs with Eurekas first you may end up neutralizing your UU if you aren't careful.

>>169185298
> morninglightmountain did nothing wrong

My nigga.

I loved the plot of those books but fucking hated every single character.
I'm like, OK, so the heroes here are a spread-legs-to-win reporter, the most dickish trillionaire plutocrat marty sue in human space, his dude weed lmao old friend, and a cuck astrophysicist who got turned into an ayy.

Indeed, if this is mankind's best, then please morninglightmountain, come cleanse the galaxy of this filth.

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>>169185298
When morninglightmountain sends his people, he's not sending his best.
We have to build a solar-system-enclosing wall, and it has to be built quickly

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>>169186195

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In Stellaris can I play as the Prophet Man Empire where everyone is a psychically controlled clone bent on enslaving the universe?

>>169186705
Now that we know there's hive minds in the next DLC, the answer is apparently "yes"

It's a little sad that Endless Legend is the only game to bother with different seasons.
I woulda loved Battle Realms in Autumn.

>>169176681
What were the others?

Oh, we're getting Australia.

That's... something, right?

Fucking Firaxis.

>>169152993
I thought an update allowed you to turn this off?

>>169187736
Poland
viking scenario
Australia
and now Macedonia and Persia as per >>169179182

viking scenario is very out of place

>>169187150
There are some 4x/rts games with different seasons though. Total War for example.

>>169188228
Oh, wow.

Wow, that fucking sucks.

What a waste of money -- I was expecting actual expansions, not... this.

My fault for trusting Firaxis to be worth a damn.

>>169188486
>I was expecting actual expansions

anon... now anon bear with me on this... but you you're a Civ V Complete person are you?

>>169188479
Yeah, but only winter matters, with attrition/frozen river.
There's no mechanism like in Don't Starve where it rains in spring, get hot in summer, live peacefully in Autumn, and freeze in winter.

>>169188550
No, no, I bought everything piecemeal.

I just expected more from VI, I guess.

>>169188746
VI incorporates plenty of full Civ V system though

with that said

>vanilla

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>>169130416
Im pretty sure he is talking about Aurora.
Unlike Stellaris, Aurora has legitimate tactics and strategy involved..

I want a game like Dwarf Fortress but with less autism. Or like Banished but with more things to do. What should I play?

>>169189734
Clockwork Empires?

>>169189710
I'm thinking I could use some siege missiles in my fleet as well. Couple of large launchers strapped on a destroyer that fire 2 stage missiles and sensor missiles for auxiliary sensor support

>>169189896
Mmm, never heard about that one

>>169189896
Just watched the trailer. It looked good until it goes full autism with the supernatural shit

>>169190569
>Dwarf Fortress looked good until it went full autism with the supernatural shit.

If you dig too deep, stuff happens.

It's pretty awesome to defend your fledgling colony from fishmen.

How's it feel, lads.

How's it feel knowing Banks and Utopia aren't getting released until at least next week?

So, hive minds ignore happiness, right?

Does that mean they can settle anywhere with Adaptable, or would you need Very Adaptable?

>>169190805
>Next week
That's too optimistic

How will hive minds handle the Horizon Signal event?

>>169190825
>Does that mean they can settle anywhere with Adaptable

Yes.

You're playing a hive mind, anon. Hive mind races in fiction typically spread like a plague.

>>169190927

The Worm loves YOU.

>>169190825
They still need the base 40% habitable to colonize it though, right?

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>>169190316
If you want to be minmaxing : dedicated point defence vessels teamed with missile attack ships with many launchers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything else

Add couple of ships with orbital bombs and troop drop pods and you are good to go.

>>169190927
Tbh I wish it would be special for them, but desu it will probably end up breaking the game

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>>169190825
>habitability of the planet affects only happiness

That has to be most retarded Paradox concept ever aside from sectors and influence mana.

>>169191185

What's wrong with Sectors?

Also in case you hadn't noticed, everything in Stellaris is environmentally-controlled and sealed off from the native habitat. Food production won't be an issue on an Alpine world for Continentals because the Hydroponics farm is in a bubble.

Which I agree is a horrible, dumb-ass concept. If I settle a lush desert world as desert dwellers, I want them actually working the land itself.

>>169191037
I'm way past minmaxing, missile spam is boring

>>169191185
If habitality determined happiness, Icelanders would be fucking mental all the time and Canadians would be unstoppables.

>>169191437

>Implying Icelanders aren't mental and Canadians aren't unstoppable

Canada has never lost a war they took part in, and have you *seen* the names those Icelanders use?

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>>169191370
>What's wrong with Sectors?
Its a biggest no-no possible for a strategy game : Forcing player to leave control over 90% of his empire in the hands of AI.

Giving AI control should be optional.

And no - fact that you can minmax shit in Stellaris to get X number of sectors changes nothing.

>>169191437
We are talking about planets here nigga, Icelanders are not loons because they can get shit like food or other goods from other places.
Its hard to do this on the planetary scale.

>>169191435
Fair enough.

>>169191506
Stuff like Bjork.
It sounds more like someone puking, to be honest.

>>169191663
All the more. You're only unhappy because you know there's better somewhere else. Not everyone in the population knows about Hiragi and how much of a paradise it is.

Anyway, I see CIVCITY: ROME on GoG, is it good? It looks like Caesar IV.

>>169191663
microing hundreds of planets in realtime would be a nightmare

>>169191185
Well unhealthy pops aren't going to be very happy are they?

>>169191370
The thing is we get those bubbles on our homeworlds too.
If you have the tech for sealed up super farms then it doesn't make sense not to use them even if the planet is of the same type as your homeworld's.

>>169191506
Not that impressive for a nation only a couple of hundred years old.

>>169191185
Well, influence isn't that stupid, to be honest. Like the Hapsburg in real life, you can have a lot of political power but not have land directly.

It's just poorly handled.

>>169191506
I think that has more to do with living on an island

islanders are all crazy
the smaller the island the crazier the people

>>169191976
>want to object
>remember Japan
>England
>Manhattan
>and then realizes planets are just giant island
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

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>>169191754
>>169191794
>Well unhealthy pops aren't going to be very happy are they?

>All the more. You're only unhappy because you know there's better somewhere else. Not everyone in the population knows about Hiragi and how much of a paradise it is.

Its not about knowing that somewhere else is better, its about not having proper diet because all you can grow is some artifical nutrient paste shit because planet lacks suitable soil to grow anything. Its about living in perpetual darkness, jungle teaming with predators etc.

Its not about happiness, its about LIFE and survival. We cant dump 500m people on Mars not because they would be unhappy but because they would all fucking DIE.

>>169191892
No, its just simply stupid.
Your 36 bilion people Empire cant find second scientist to command survey ship because you have not enough mana...
Or your crowded as fuck empire has shitload of colony ship but you cant actually colonize anything because you have no mana ..

And dont even get me started on character limits and shit.

>>169192069
Damn right man.

>>169192143
>its about not having proper diet because all you can grow is some artificial nutrient paste shit because planet lacks suitable soil to grow anything

That's what all hydroponic farms produce, anon.

Read the description of the Farm, it's producing vegetable paste. All of them produce vegetable paste. Meat-eating is a feature introduced only in Banks, and only as a way to eat other sentient beings.

>>169192143
Well, it's poorly named.
I have the feeling that "influence" could just be replaced by "authority". Like, instead of using influence to beguile a scientist to join you, you forcefully enlist him.
But it's poorly used anyway. And why use influence to colonize anyway? I can understand when it's about political stuff like building outpost or hiring people, but to colonize?

>>169192392
>And why use influence to colonize anyway?

Because it *is* all about the political stuff.

You need to hire new bureaucrats to handle the logistics of adding a new planet to the empire. You need to map out new shipping lanes, new telecommunications, new deals with neighboring empires to confirm that yes, you landed on that planet and yes, it's sovereign soil.

This is why it costs more influence to settle a planet halfway across the galaxy than one the next sector over.

>>169189710
How long do you have to play in order to get this far?

I played for a while but I never got to the point where you build jump gates before my computer crashed

>>169192623

Adding to this, it costs influence to suppress factions, change governments and enact policies, this is more than enough evidence that Influence is a representation of a nation's Bureaucracy or governmental administration.

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>>169192392
Why would you had to "forcefully enlist" someone to command space survey vessel ?
That shit would be the most fought over position on the science job market.
And you dont have to "enlist" anyone in the military to command fleets, its called fucking OFFICER CORPS and it has proper structure and resposibilities and shit.

Paying mana for buidling outposts is also retarded.
If you have money and material to build shit then you should have the ability to build it without some bulshit mana resource.

>>169192350
Food mechanic in Stellaris is retarded as fuck also.
Habitability = happiness also do not takes into account shit like gravity, atmosphere etc.

Its simply stupid but hey its Stellaris, that whole game needs a complete redesign to be even remotely inteligent and playable.

>>169192643
Its very early game nigga.

>>169189734
black and white 2

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>>169192918
Holy shit I must be really dumb.

>>169192623
Said like that, it makes sense, but only if you capture an already existing planet. I mean, if you take a neutral planet, there's no need to proclaim to the face of the world that it's yours.

>>169192918
>Why would you had to "forcefully enlist" someone to command space survey vessel ?
Because they work in a comfortable office for Versalife or whatever and you're dragging them kicking and screaming for mommy to show them in a cold space ship that doesn't even have a coffee dispenser and no porn.
You monster.

>>169192918
influence is great as a diplomatic resource, like endless legend does it, but in stellaris it's kinda retarded yeah

I can see how it might take some "influence" to pass a new law or something too