/parag/ - Paragon General

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>just realized I don't have Teleblink

>>169050590
Sorry, deleting other thread. Didn't have any good Shinbi memes

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>3 fucking matches
>lost all 3
>We weren't even bad, we just sucked at team fights more than them
I want to die

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>>169050996
Chill, I didn't see the last post/post count before I posted that


Just had this shitty game, not sure if I should keep playing; I want to play Steel but every time I get in a match, I queue with retards.
My teammates were toxic the entire match, Aurora kept spamming good job, our Grim was typing like he was hot shit despite giving the enemy free kills and our jungle kept bitching at someone because they didn't dive in. My elo keeps dropping like a motherfucker and I feel it's a game of chance rather than skill when it comes to winning a game or not.

>>169006836
That kill seemed fair to me, towers are a bit of a problem but this isn't the video you want to show people to prove your point.

>>169003501
I don't get it, just because they're a famous cutesy Korean in their games means they're similar? They don't have anything else in common.

>>169051194
no, Shinbi is LITERALLY dva. as in she is a literal diva.

anyway what the hell was wrong with your Grux player?

>>169052071
Shinbi is nothing like Dva you racist

>>169052071
The dude was crazy but that whole game was a mess, he went nuts after one of our teammates made the mistake of getting close to him when they had a Gadget's stick mine on them and he died because of it. He kept trying to take the enemy from the back but they just jumped him. I would try helping the dude escape but he'd stay trying to fight a Gadget when he had a quarter of health.

>>169052465
I think he's just trying to say that Shinbi is literally a diva, not D.Va
he's just wording it to get (You)s

>>169052619
this game will be quite humorous when ebin figures out voice chat. gadgets bombs are pretty bullshit though, would've tilted me too.

>finally finish Costanzarog
>Upload failed
thanks hiro

>tfw you just won a 4v5
>tfw you can't post an appropriate face because jap moot destroyed uploads

>>169051168
I know those feels
I've been on this terrible losing streak; either because someone D/Cs, someone on our team meme picks/sucks ass, or the enemy is acting as a group and no one on my team can listen to commands other than the poor jungler who tries to be everywhere at the same time

>>169051168
>that filename
kek

>finish second image
>still can't upload

>>169060425
you can't upload but why the hell was this possible? /a/>>>153772210

>>169060425
>>169060579
shit I don't do that often enough >>>/a/153772210

>>169060692
>4chan pass members

>Go jungle with K-pop
>Go left with K-pop
Best girl has finnally arrived!

anyone wanna play paragon?

>>169064025
You do

>go into match
>Grux and Shinbi go offlane together
>afk 10min in

How I love unranked

>every Shinbi
>10+ deaths
Do they really expect every hero to be easy to play? Literally every Aurora maim transferred to Shinbi, I have played against only 1 Aurora today.

Fucking FOTM fags

>>169066758
They're probably just practicing with her anon. Playing against bots can only do so much and besides, testing out a new hero can be exciting.
Soon people will get good with her and she will either be devastating or she will fall off.
Either way, she'll be put in a tier soon enough, and then we can all complain about brain dead she is.

>>169067196
Nope. When Aurora was released everyone became a pro. Same with Countess.

Shinbi is on an entirely different level. And I'm 100% sure they haven't practiced in bots and just jump into queue especially with their universal decks and windcarvers

Tiers aren't going to stop people from playing Shinbi. Guarenteed.

Most people can't even get 8 stacks let alone 5 within the 7 second window.

3 weeks of this shit, and then the next hero if it isn't a support or is also difficult to pull off 3 more weeks of feeders.

At least if someone locked in Aurora first time she's baby mode easy to play.

>>169067196
>They're probably just practicing with her anon.
Mr I play for fun, some people don't want their elos fucked up its a bjf fucking problem i dont give a fuck if they're practicing i will report and make it a point to tell them to kill themselves

Anyone wanna try Narbash/Riktor for a few games and kill Khaimera early-game while he tries to farm jungle? I've got a great Narbash build to do it. I'll be on all day Wednesday.

>>169067623
Then perhaps this is a nice change of pace? If this is a hero that requires actual skill to use, then the majority of new friends will drop her once they see that they're not getting the results they want. Just give it like a week, or more than likely, a few days.

>>169067724
Okay anon, but there are ways around that.
>go in with a 5 man pre-made
>use vgs for commands and see if you can convince Shinbi to jungle during the draft
>draft dodge
But most importantly
>teach/don't be toxic
Some players may have real potential with her and if you want her to be more than just a hot serving of cxp for the enemy, then try to tell her what you want and what the team needs
>inb4 fell for the bait
I'm aware, so enjoy your you

>>169067724
Well mr professional player, some people play games for fun and don't care about your virtual points. If someone afks, trolls or obviously has no idea what he's doing than he's a faggot who needs to be reported, but if someone just sucks or has a bad day, especially when playing a new character hating on him is just childish. Yeah, we definitely need this ranked mode.

https://www.epicgames.com/paragon/forums/showthread.php?64231-The-great-tower-debate/page2#post_0

>tower fags getting btfo

>want voice acting in game already
>but the current leaked voice lines are all cringy as fuck

what the fuck the lines were written by an autist

>>169073024
Which lines are cringy? I like gideon super line
>BEHOLD I OFFER YOU A GLIMPSE

why are all of epic's games early access trash
but you can't complain about it being bad because it's in beta
forever

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Finally
>hiro reliable for anything

>>169073859
The game isn't in early access anymore

>>169073024
I think most of them are actually pretty good, I like them. Muriel sounds annoying and some of the Dekker's line seem cringy, but others are mostly fine. I can't wait until they implement them, hopefully with some more character bios alongside.

Anybody is going to play in a moment?

>>169084510
I mean I could but im a goldie with meme decks

>>169084952
Well if you don't have an issue with playing with two guys who play just for fun and might fuck your elo up than be my guest. If not, I'll understand.

>>169085157
regicide2

>>169085372
Ah, all right, I have you in friends already, just give me a sec, I'm playing with a friend who's been away from the game for some time and he have to check up a few things. He was pretty good back when he was playing though.

I'm going to marry Shinbi!

Are we gonna start regularly playing together when ranked comes out?

>>169089481
wouldn't ranked be more of a reason NOT to play with /vg/shitters?

>>169075969
it's still """""in beta"""""
that's early access

>>169089973
No. Early access was when you had to pay or get invited to get in. This is open beta.

>>169089864
That's assuming they're all shitters, but seeing as the few of us here enjoy the game and would love some quality matches (not shitting all over new players and not being shit on by people who are playing as a team while you're stuck in solo queue). At least, I certainly wouldn't mind getting gud in ranked with the people from here.

>>169090504
I usually stay solo because matchmaking is so bad if you duo and don't play like hardasses you'll most likely lose. And as someone who queues very fast and concentrates, it's difficult to get over a loss you could've won.

Can't wait for them to give us two different modes.

>>169090819
>I usually stay solo because matchmaking is so bad if you duo and don't play like hardasses you'll most likely lose
Why is this? Me and a friend are both gold but as fast as we team up we end up in matches where no one picks a support or we have 3 junglers.

What the fuck.

>>169091189
prob because there aren't enough players or proper rank to group elo closer. You can have pretty even team elo but it could still have a 300 elo difference between players. Check the teams elo on agora when you finish a match to see who you were paired with.

>>169090819
But solo queuing is very inconsistent as far as the skill of your teammates. Slightly longer queue times sound worth it so long as you know you have a real teammate and will have some influence in the flow of the match.

>>169091803
I've duod triod and five manned a lot already.
I go on winstreaks solo, 50/50 if I team up.
You have a higher chance of winning if you can beat the uncoordinated players.

Once people get coordinated you can't even have fun at that point.

>>169091189
I've gotten straight up afks after teaming up or just 3 unreliable players. Rather not risk it.

>get second pick
>first pick takes Shinbi
Sometimes it's like they'll pick Shinbi even if they don't wanna play her

>>169092741
>teams are no fun
You can still meme if you want
Nothing feels better than disappearing so all the enemies group together to push one lane only to have steel ult them, Gideon succ them, Aurora ass blast them, Howitzer anally assault them, while the Murdock ults in the sky with an emote to follow for max bm
You just need to find people willing to have fun regardless of their ELO

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Whats the point of the farming phase?

Why doesnt the game just start with everyone at least level 7 with their skills and some filled out cards?

Thats when it starts to get fun anyway. We dont need these long ass matches. Game is slow enough already.

>>169096165
There are already games like that and they're called arena mobas. To be honest I'm also unhappy about many things in new mobas, but the basics are so cemented right now that they're basically unchangeable. Farming is not one of those things though, it's pretty much crucial to the basic idea of moba

>>169096802
>they're called arena moba

NO THEY'RE NOT

YOU PULLED THIS COMPLETELY OUT OF YOUR WRETCHED, POZZED ASS

NOBODY IN THE WORLD CALLS ANYTHING

"ARENA MULTIPLAYER ONLINE BATTLE ARENA"

>know-how to play Shinbi
>pick her when I can
>someone else doesn't get to play Shinbi
>they feed and lose all game
So either they feed as Shinbi or feed as something else nice

>>169096165

What's the point of base building

What's the point of the Ancient era in Civ

What's the point of eco rounds

What's the point of starting weak and gaining power

>>169097112
It's his first moba calm down

>>169097317
All those things are fun to play through.

Here its just standing around slowly left clicking on brainless minions for 10-15 minutes while you wait till your character can actually do something interesting.

>teams do the 2v1 in off lane
>enemy team gets fb off of our offlaner
>i move to offlane and even it out
>shit on the enemy with my off laner
This happens every game, why do they like to lose?

>>169097451

If you find that so dull, then play Jungle or Offlane. Jungle has to move around constantly and take gank opportunities, and Offlane can't farm safely at all.

>99/100 Shinbis feed and blame everyone else for losing
Why are people so shit, shes so fucking easy.

>>169097112
Nobody ever develops the abbreviation anyway, half of people couldn't probably tell what it actually stands for. And yes, I know many people who call them that, it's just intuitive, what's the big deal?

>>169097848

Dude there's nothing "intuitive" about "arena moba". It's fucking retarded. EVERY MOBA takes place in an "arena". Moreover you've just added an extra redundancy to a term that already has like three redundancies. It's unspeakably retarded, I've never heard it before, and I'd never like to hear it again.

>>169098196
It is, "normal" mobas maps are played in something that resembles a battlefield rather than an arena, even if it's in the name. This other type of mobas we're talking about takes place on a much smaller map and focuses on battles between characters rather than pushing, so it actually resembles an arena. The name might not make sense, but it is intuitive especially when you consider that many people probably don't even know what "a" in moba stands for and it is used. Whatever, I don't want to argue over that.

Greystone nerfs when?

How do you think Epic plans on fixing the card system? Do you think they might introduce a way to purchase actives separately from your deck?

>>169099724
What is there to nerf about him?
His ult is strong since it's a resurrect, but he can't move making him really easy to burst down as soon as he comes back
Before level 5 he's easy to deal with, but after that you just need to play a bit more cautiously. Mid to late game he becomes really easy to deal with

Moba would be boring to me without farming. It's like a mini RPG every game and how good you are at it effects the overall outcome.

if you don't like it I recommend playing HoTS

>>169099724
haha yes lets nerf greystone

we can start with that ability that forces players to focus or chase him to the enemies side of the map that ability is too strong

:^)

>>169099996
Eitber nerf his ult or nerf his obscene damage
He's naturally tanky, he gets to attack freely after level 5 because if you "kill" him with no dash, blink/stasis card you'll die while he lives
He can use his ult to dive, take turrets, while building full damage.

Not balanced at all. Especially when you might waste an ult blowing his

>our Kwang was 1200 elo
>enemy kwang was 1400
Kill me

>we have an adc already
>autistic fuck picks Serath jg into grux and Rampage
Wish i could dodge every game with a Serath

>>169102782
Is she so bad or do people playing her tend to suck? I haven't tried her yet.

>>169103229
People who play her suck and don't know what they're doing

>>169102171
Just learn to play around his ult and to force it out with a poke
Greystone isn't much of a threat so long as you have some forms of CC or have someone there to support you

>>169103954
I don't have a problem with Greystone
My teams do
I can't control the other 4 players

>people building aurora like an adc
Wew
No wonder their ults haven't been doing any damage

>4 straight losses because none of the teams played any hero with CC, had a Shinbi, or forgets about the Paper mache Core

>>169106654
do you type in chat before match? I've started doing this recently and was surprised with how agreeable most players are. nothing like Overwatch's player base.

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Is this game robot and gay free?

I need to know before picking it up.

>>169107256
>robot and gay
what?
>free
yeah it's free and so are all of the heroes

>>169106907
I do, they don't say anything until I flame them after the match is over

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>>169107442
Does this game have robots spreading robot propaganda?
Does this game have gays spreading gay propaganda?

This is important.

>take a break from paragon for a while
>come back
>shinbi

what were they thinking

>>169107906
Uh, not that I'm aware of.

>>169107906
What exactly is "robot propaganda"?

>>169104117
Doesn't mean he should be nerfed. Just means that you're playing with people who don't know how to play

>>169108652
It does. If he's so much to deal with on the average player, imagine on an adept player with a good teamcomp

He needs a nerf. You shouldn't have to alter your entire build to deal with one player.

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>>169108324
Trying to convince us than robots can be alive and be anything else but mere tools.

>>169108123
Good. I'm downloading the game.

>>169108110
I honestly wish they'd stop making heros with no CC appealing
It's a retad trap

>drop from mid-gold back down to the cusp of silver in 2 days
>one cause is people think it's TDM and ignore minions pouring into our inhibitors, then core, to chase kills
Played my first game as Kwang (probably should have bot game'd him first, but the bot AI is worse than terrible): 6-6-15, not too shabby. How do you folks build him? Crit?

how many melee characters have been released in a row?

>>169109101
Well there is Krunch who is a robot, but seem to be a very advanced entertainment robot without an and there is Muriel who seem much closer to being sentient but it's still implied she's definitely not human-like. I don't know if this triggers your autistic obsession, if yes you can just not play with these two characters. Heroes will surely get more personality when the voice acting is implemented.

>>169109612
6 I think? Kwang, Countess, Krunch, Seraph, Aurora and Shinbi. Bellica was before Krunch if I remember correctly. There is supposed to be one more before another ranged one, I hope they will then make a row of ranged ones for difference.

>>169109882
*without any real personality

>>169108992
But you don't need to alter your entire team comp
Just have an escape ready or a blink charm, bait out jump/ult, and then get out of there
Greystone is durable due to his ult and natural armor, but once he ults he might as well be dead because it's so easy to kill him.
He's also the only hero who you can force to ult which is a major disadvantage even if compared to someone who blows their ult willingly

>so much to deal with on the average player
The average player won't know how to use him effectively and will continuously blow their ult and get killed.

>imagine on an adept player with a good teamcomp
If you're solo queuing, then you probably won't find one especially at lower ELOs. However, if you do run into that situation, then you're playing in a higher ELO and should have a good teamcomp of your own and maybe even a Greystone of your own.

Greystone is like Aurora in the sense that below average players get fucked by average players, but adept players will know how to counter fuck her

>>169109882
So there's no lore or voice acting yet? I just noticed the website is kinda barebones.

>>169109523
I'm not home so I can't show you the build I'm using, but you can just check agora.gg if you want some ideas

>>169110585
Cool, guess I'll have a look.

>>169110518
It's still in beta and they're adding lots of things all the time. All there is to lore so far are 3 (very)random facts for each character and some random bits here and there. I suspect and hopee they will add something more soon. As for the voice acting they are working on it. There is a soundcloud somewhere with about 2-3 minutes of leaked sound files for about half of characters each. They sound pretty decent.

>3 people trickle into middle
>Belica, dekker and rampage
>Jungler still thinks its okay not to come and help
Im just gonna jungle with shinbi from now on

Bump

>>169110864
They also added a quote for all the aster challenges
I like sparrows
>Dear Niece I am proud of you, you are still going to jail however. - greystone

>>169117195
Is Sparrow supposed to be Greystone's niece?

>>169118072
yes confirmed

>>169118183
Nice. That's way better than what I thought it was.
I thought he was just trying to kidnap her and keep her some "love" dungeon

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>>169109101
Well, robots in this game include Crunch, who is like Real Steel, and even made for that purpose and all it is designed to do is punch shit. There's Riktor and Steel, who are either combat droids, sentry bots, or Transformers without the transforming. And I see Muriel is already mentioned, but that cunt is a cyborg and lorewise lacks a sense of humor but has sentience since it is a cyborg and not pure robot.

And as far as I know, none of the characters are proven gay yet, but lorewise, there has been a lot of straight drama

>>169118521
what straight drama!

>>169118521
I don't think a christian creative director care for adding gays to his game.

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>12 losses since Monday
I'm better than that, so I can say with no ego that it's the matchmaking.

is anyone watching Epic's community stream? I don't think I really like the streamer too much.

>>169109523
Are you me?
I just dropped back to 1301
So mad, why won't they fucking retreat when you ping RETREAT

>>169123134
I'm just watching in hopes of a reward

Official list of known bugs by epic devs

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HcF3yWvHLcBJIkFwOkl8qv4YTwJ4ABvctolevg1ijOo/edit#gid=0

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also portraits for rampage skins

what are some things that make you dodge draft? I just left because we had no carry or caster. squishy ass team.

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>>169123130
13.
13 games lost.
100 ELO lost.
Last game I went 6-3-12 as a Steel solo on offlane because Shinbi demanded help in the draft. And lost, obviously
>defend middle lane
>defend middle lane
>defend middle lane
As the enemy team walks down mid into our core, Khai and Grey decide defending the inhibitors is a better idea.
I worked so hard to get into gold and 13 awful, awful, awful, toxic teams drag me back down into the shit.
We lost to a team with an Iggy and Serath for Christ's sake.

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>>169131549

>>169131549
lmao just ask to play with someone here and get carried

>>169131804
I do the carrying on most teams I play, but it's not enough. And I somehow doubt you're as good as you think you are.

>>169131983
Trust me kiddo

I am that good

>>169131549
I've been stinking lately too bro, just had a dekker on my team who built 2 whirling wands and 2 spear of the rifthunters, some people are fucking retarded

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how is everyone liking Shinbi?

This game runs like shit on my pc fuggg :DDD

>>169132728
If you are nvidia master race let geforce experience optimize your settings because the ingame ideal ones are either auto set to 1080p even if you have a native 1440p monitor or just detect that your game can max it out when it can't.

>>169132332
Easy to get First blood with if you start wolf circle
But as with every game, it's more about team comp, less about the hero.

>>169131549
Which one is your name on the pastebin. Time to duo back to gold. Let's go.
13 losses is worse than usual.

Can't wait for the next hero

>>169136317
yeah you can

If you play Shinbi, you're the reason why your team does bad. She has no cc and her early game is trash.

>>169139209
>another Shinbi on my team
>and a fucking Twinblast
Fuck

>>169140176
Filtered :D

If I play countess, can I have cards in my deck that include crit? Can my abilities benefit from crit or is it just basic attacks.

>>169141408

crit only affects basics

>>169141523
Thank you Anon.

>>169141408
You don't ned crit on countess
Power and sustain is all you need

>I'm good with Shinbi people suck with her
>proceeds to feed all game
Nice one Epic. I hope they never do this again

On Sevarog, do I build attack speed or crit?

The whole card system is just so stupid. Why can't we just have an item shop like a normal MOBA?

>i have to keep dying for inhibs

>>169144901
Because then we'll get the same old same builds every game shit
Some people like variety

If you want to play a MOBA with a boring item shop then go play LoL or something

>3 wins on the trot with Countess
I'm in love

>>169143497
At full build with Sev I have a Windcarver with 1 major kinectic and 2 Major cast. The rest is Armor and damage.

>>169148072
>Because then we'll get the same old same builds every game shit
And your plan to avoid this is to have the exact same thing as an item shop except you can only use a small portion of the items available, which you have to choose before the game begins, eliminating any chance of strategy or counterbuilding?

>>169148402
>build deck heavy on basic armor
>build deck heavy on ability armor

>pick which deck you want to use when game starts after you drafted heros and asses the situation

woow

you don't have to play this game if you don't want to

>>169148402
>eliminating any chance of strategy or counterbuilding?
Yeah if you really believe this is happening and think it's exactly the same then I don't need to continue talking to an absolute retard.
If you don't like the game don't play i, nobody forces you to play. The card system isn't leaving for a special snowflake like you.

>>169148883
And how does that result in more "variety" compared to being able to choose which resistance to build based on the game state?

>>169149139
just don't play the game if you don't like it

>>169149038
>using special snowflake as an insult while defending a special snowflake system that no other moba uses because it's trash
loving every laugh
>>169149215
not an argument

>>169149307
Not arguing

you are correct I concede

Now go and don't play the game

>>169149391
If you have nothing to contribute to the conversation then why are you posting
neck yourself

>>169149307
>special snowflake system
>meanwhile deck building games like Hearthstone, YuGiOh etc have existed for ages

Get a load lf this guy. Who forced you into the general? It's a general of peace so you can see yourself out.

>>169149612
>that no other moba uses because it's trash
pointing out that there are card games that use cards does not change this fact

>>169149503
My post is as valid as the answer to your question whether the card system is shit or not. Literally no point yet here we are still posting.

If you don't like it you don't have to try to stir shit up. People will be baited but you can't say I'm wasting my time and you aren't.

>>169149758
like your shitposts aren't even shitposts because there's no content in them
they're nothingposts

>>169149725
The only person who holds that opinion is you.
Don't let the door hit ya where the lord split ha

>>169149942
That no other moba uses this type of system is not an opinion. It is a fact. Learn the difference.

>another 0 CC teamcomp with Kallari Shinbi Sparrow Gideon Twinblast
>just dodged to take the 8 minute penalty
Would rather not waste my time because I CAN ONLY PLAY TWINBLAST

>>169149939
Yes we are now one

Thank you for the bumps to our thread the community appreciates it, btfo :^)

(baited the fuck out)

>>169150074
oh no i've been baited into doing something i was going to do anyway

>>169150069
You called the game trash and claim you dislike it, while asking why the MOBA isn't the same as other MOBAs. If you want to keep whining about a game you don't like go ahead, I can post during recalls

>>169150205
he isn't going to concede or change his mind. It's already been set. Just farm him for bumps but don't get baited.

>>169150205
I called the card system trash, not the entire game. Learn to read you brain damaged piece of shit.

>>169150427
That's your opinion. In fact the people who play the game have no problem with it except you.

>>169150594
Well that's just objectively false. I see people on the official forums complaining about it all the time, and the devs themselves are currently working on a rework.

>>169150805
Well if you do "see" people "complaining" you should be providing evidence to back it up. Otherwise it's an opinion

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>Playing Constanzarog
>Business as usual
>Jungling and helping out in lanes against ganks, saving allies running away from enemies and slowing down enemies for the kill
>can't get kills because I'm too busy blocking their escape route with my bat raised
>just assist kill
Not feeling too glorious,
Well, at least I led the final charge into the core

>>169150960
https://www.epicgames.com/paragon/forums/showthread.php?62975-Card-System-State&highlight=card+system+rework

>>169150960
whoops wrong link
knock yourself out
https://www.epicgames.com/paragon/forums/search.php?searchid=258239

>>169150960
stop getting baited

>>169151084
Playing literally who?

>>169152049
Sevarog, the edgiest of the edgelords

>>169152264
I really can't use him in the jungle. I mean his Q is pretty good but other than that I feel like his autos are too slow.

>>169152748
Yeah, he needs an attack speed buff, but as long as you give him 2 major kinetics and a major strike with windcarver blade, he does well. Also late-game Siphon is fucking dangerous

why is grux considered lower tier?

>>169151272
How am I getting baited? The retard actually posted links while I was wining a game. lmao like who the fuck cares

>can't open crates without keys
that's like, totally stupid man

>>169154006
Because people are scrubs and don't understand that bleed deals percent damage and Kwang + Grux is free prime in the first 5 min of the game

Holy shit. I finally perfected my Shinbi build. Like legit this is how you should play Shinbi. But I'm bot sharing the secret. Lata bitches

>>169154479
>get systematically proven wrong on every single point you make
>lol who cares right lmao guys

>>169154512
The game is already free

how much free do you need

>>169154006
He shouldn't be. He has CC a dash, one of the only heroes with a Bleed, shit man I hate grux late game. Makes you wish you used thise situational while bleeding cards

>>169154579
>free prime first five minutes
explain

>>169154479
you better not respond to his shit post or else

>+8 elo
AWWW YEAAAAH

>>169154787
if only there was a way you could take those cards AFTER you see grux doing well instead of having to take a gamble on it before the game starts
oh well i guess there's no way to do that

>>169155072
Easy, just stick 1 or 2 in your deck with the same CP as 2 other cards and if he does well just sell what you got and equip those.

That's how my decks are, situational cards at the ready. I only make another deck when playstyle and stat focus is different

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>>169155070
>only 8

>>169155510
xd

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I like this feel.

Alright anons, give it to me straight. Did they buff Belica?

>>169159149
what's your secret

>>169159286
Always be farming
Necroveil and Hunters Guile help when you're in trouble
Pick off loan squishies
control river buffs
know the limits of the character

>>169159216
I don't feel it.
Belicas ult used to have base ability damage so it wasn't a complete overhall. Also they lowered the missing mana from 2 or 1.5 down to 1.2

As a Belica main, I'm feeling these nerfs hard. They weren't necessary since she wasn't played often. Meanwhile Aurora, Kwang, Greystone, Countess will never be touched.

>>169159357
Do not waste card points on Necroveil
It used to have a longer duration but they lowered it so It's pointless as fuck for 6-7 CP

>>169160386
Not him but late game when countess strong as Fuck and you're fighting squishes in the groups that just makes it the better to cause confusion.
At least for me I enjoy it.

>>169154579
How does the bleed work? It says that it does percentage damage over 5 seconds, but the wording suggests it only does 1% of the target's max health over 5 seconds. So is it that or is it 1% per second?
Either way, bleed isn't exactly all too dangerous or useful if you do the math
Assuming bleed does a totally of 5%, hell, let's even bump it up to 10%, over the course of 5 seconds, then on a 2000 health hero (it's just a number I pulled out of my ass so don't look into it too deep) you'll do a grand total of 200 damage at 40/second.
To put this into perspective, a normal health potion with two charges at +6 health/second will heal you for 180 health over the course of 30 seconds.
But to use two charges from a health potion and to be able to wait 30 seconds only to heal yourself for 90% of the bleed damage is unrealistic.
So, we look at lifesteal. At 10 lifesteal on someone who deals an average of 150 damage (we go low in the case of support heroes who deal little basic damage but still assume they have lifesteal), you heal for 15/hit requiring a total of 14 hits to heal for 210, 105% of the bleed damage. In the case of melee heroes with a cleave rating of 10%, they heal at a rate of 15+1.5x where x is the number of enemies they hit for cleave damage. This is all based on health/hit too as opposed to health/sec, but those with higher attack speeds will heal through the bleed even more effectively than slower attack speeds (obviously).

None of this takes into account any damage received separate from the bleed, any potential shielding from Muriel or green buff which can mitigate most if not all of the damage, or characters with high attack speed and damage with or without crit or those with higher lifesteal percentages. I used low numbers to favor the bleed, but even then you can see that it may only be useful on heroes with low health and no way to heal or mitigate the damage. Other heroes can handle the bleed much more effectively and burst down Grux.

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>>169159357
>loan squishies

>>169162689
But what if the enemy you're attacking has 10000 hp and no healing? And gives your team a massive buff when you kill him?

What's the best way to build Aurora?

>>169165434
alt+f4

>>169165823
I'll just check Agora thanks anyway faggot

>>169164180
Well it would be useful there, but the point I'm trying to make is that against heroes it can be near useless at times.
Maybe if instead of a DoT it shredded armor like Murdock's buckshot or applied a slow, then he would see more play.

>>169051168
just broke an 11 loss streak

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>got enough spare shekels to open my first crate
>get a fucking Twinblast emote and nothing else

Glad i didnt drop any money for a three pack. I thought crates would at least throw in a few cards and exp buffs besides the main prize.

I think ill just save up for the skin i actually want.

>>169165434
Power with minimal mana regen/health, cooldown is always a bonus. Points distribution depends on level/CP. Use this if you want to figure best DPS to Burst ratio.

https://paragondb.info/calc

https://paragondb.info/deckbuilder?deck=5051
This is my sparrow deck, should I get rid of stonetooth and put in a wind carver?

>>169167216
I feel you but I was never making the point for heros and only for prime

>>169165434
as support

tell me a story about one of your games when you were new to the game lolg.


Heres mine: Queue as adc in bronze to rank up those LP.
Get a Xerath support and I didnt consider dodging back then.AS the game starts he buys a dorans ring and starts fucking up and taking my CS, couldnt believe how absolutely retarded this guy was so I looked up his stats. sub 30% winratio and he was a xerath support main that always took cs.

Absolutely retarded

Ug oh

>>169177445
Just build full crit you don't need attack speed

>>169180490
Ah, then that's my bad anon.
But I have to ask: how do you rush orb prime without being punished? I feel if you need to kill at least 3 enemies before prime is even an option.
And how do you do it with just Grux and Kwang? That sounds real neato especially if you can get someone willing to pull it off with you.

>>169186814
>how do you rush orb prime without being punished
The same way you rush baron in League.
Check the enemy positions on the map, have 2 or 3 teammates being visible to the enemy, have enough damage. Just because the enemy shows up to OP doesn't mean they'll last hit it

>>169190564
Never played league, but I see what you're saying.
When would be a good time to go grab it as far as level and equips go?

>>169190970
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWp3KjIvxqw

Just do this

Skeleton king = kwang with AoE lifesteal
Ursa = Grux/damage

buy some armor and pot tokens I guess.

>>169191151
Holy shit that's amazing.
I also totally forgot that prime doesn't spawn till 15 minutes so you should already be around level 5 with a couple of early game items finished.

http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Roshan
http://paragon.wikia.com/wiki/Prime_Helix_Guardian

Yea and prime has twice the stats of roshan so I was memeing lul

>it's another nobody jungles team

Anyone wants to play in a second?

>>169192990
Sure, I'm up. Line 14 of pastebin

>>169193891
All right, just sent you a friend invite

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>kiritofgt29: pls let me jungle as shinbi
>retard Khai: alright
>surrender at 20 mins, 12-2

Drafting in next game
>first pick is Shinbi
>do not pick Shinbi
>Shinbi's butt buddy tells me to "fuck my mom"
>"I pick who I want"
>"come at me 1 v 1"
>dodge
My God.

>>169195520
Same here just lost a match thanks to a shinbi main Countess

who do you guys offlane with besides greystone and countess?

I swear i dodge every game that has shinbi jungle. Play her mid or off or don't play her at all. I just got to plat Carrying these fgts.

Also shinbis passive reveals enemy's in stealth. Pretty neat.

don't die

>>169200076
Steel and kwang.

>>169200076
I assume Aurora doesn't count either
So
Howitzer
Sevarog

>>169200076
>>169200336
Add Belica to that too

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>>169192476
>It's another everyone wants to pick jungler episode
END MY LIFE

>>169200293
how do you build offlane steel? straight damage?

>>169202974
Thunder cleaver some armor, purity sensor cuz its op as hell and the rest damage.

>>169200076
Shinbi if you have a tank already.

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>>169196508
>>169195520
>Shinbi selects offlane, but gets beat out by an Aurora
>switches to Shinbi mid
>never takes mid tower, leaves at the earliest opportunity to go left and claim it
>spams "defend mid-lane"
>0-5-2
Another loss.

The only real win I've had this week was with an incredibly toxic team, and only then because I got purple buff and coordinated a gank on their strongest player with my abusive Sparrow. And no, it's not me: no one takes objectives and my teams seem to think they'll walk deep into enemy territory and then walk out again without a scratch. I had to take offlane and midlane t1 last game because no one was interested.

>tfw first game
>destroyed by the AI in the longest most boring match of my life.

What is a fun hero to play with? I picked the same one from the tutorial and felt really boring

Is there a way to not play with PlayStaton 4 shitters?

>>169210161
How do you know who's who? The purposely made it so PC players can't tell.

>>169210161
>its a PC player can't carry himself outta silver and blames ps4 players episode.

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>idiot rampage doesn't surrender
>instead he quits
what the fuck is with these retards? if you're going to quit just fucking surrender so I don't have to sit through this garbage. Christ.

>>169210661
No. I'm tired of have a shinbi and a greystone and a countess all going offlane because some ps4 idiot made a new deck.

>>169211487
>this happening
>not just starting a game having all roles selected
>not just not being in shit elo

wut

https://www.epicgames.com/paragon/en-US/news/shinbi-world-tour-shinbi-selfie


ebin is handing out a free 1080 if you can take a good pic of her butt

>>169211621
Hard to not be in shit ELO when you need to have good players to get you out of it.
Regardless of the memes, you can't carry 4 idiots to victory.

>>169211854
you can as support

>>169211854
>Dekker

Dekker can carry but then again you get an ADC like Twinblast who doesnt have a single madstone gem.

>>169207612
Depends on what role you want to play

>>169207612
Any hero that isn't offlane or carry is fun

Anything else is just sitting and waiting to last hit and backing up. Everyone else is like playing 4D chess.

I actually got into a game with a decent mid Shinbi, wow

I prefer someone picking Howitizer over any other mid hero though desu, his cc/damage is great for any team

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>kallari feeds 7 times in row
>quits
>play 4v5 for 40 minutes and nearly win
>lose
maybe I just shouldn't play paragon today

>>169184565
Define full crit, that build gives me 52% crit and 500 a shot, do you want more power or more crit chance?

>>169217181
Or maybe it's a sign that you perform well when at a horrible disadvantage.
It's a good quality despite the loss

>game has designated carry
>every ones custom deck is full damage crit with no kind of armor or health regardless of role
>not even a tuned barrier

pub meta is 1 carry 1 support and 3 casters for ez elo

you guys better be saving up 15k for those basic support cards

or else

Why can't people understand that you can't just call the jungling Sev for help willy nilly? Sev needs to jungle and get them sweet stacks so that he's actually a threat. Also, typing in the chat that the team did not come for your needs is pretty fucking petty

>>169221381
If you can't call jungle because the junglers kit than that is a shit jungle

Not to mention other junglers don't have that ability and still do work without the bonus HP. You don't have to kill anyone just going in and landing like two hits is enough to make a huge difference.

Also

>jungler
>needing to be a threat

We already have mid and carry for this reee

Junglers are way too entitled on this board

>>169221685
No, I can jungle, but early game jungling takes time. And I do help out in lanes, that's first priority. But second priority of clearing jungle minions needs to be done too

>>169210161
>PS4
>shitters
I play with a controller, have faced 4/5 PC team
Have won against PC players many times.
99%of PC players on my team are garbage and full of themselves that they feed and flame everyone else trying to win

Now the question is: how do I not play with PCucks?

>>169220367
that's a nice way of putting it. I'll probably get back on tonight after taking a nap.

>>169221991
Your way of gaming is inferior to our Master Race.

>>169221991
we need to build a wall

>>169218247
500 a shot of what?

>>169224432
i use m&k on my ps4.

Oh please god no more fucking Shinbis

>>169227080
>not maining Crunch with fighting game controller
>not button mashing a mix of AA with your abilities for maximum combo counter
>not completely obliterating your enemies with his Empowered finishers

Anyone up for elo focused duoing
I can play every thing but tank/jg, I'm low gold

>>169227998
this is just how it is man its what happens when a cute and perfect character is made.

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>>169228589
im high gold and am up for it i guess but im laying shinbi right now.

>>169228106
>implying i dont play shinbi with the dj hero controller

>>169226574
500 a crit from my basic

>>169231317
Which is your name on the pastebin I'm logging in rn

>>169231691
What's the max damage on your abilities

>>169231980
Kairos-X-Man

>>169232195
Says I got an outgoing request from ypu that you didn't add.
RobotLivesMatter

>>169232118
I think snipe does over 400 and my rain of arrows ddoes over 600 but I cant tell for sure

>>169232436
Oh yeah you're build is good but a full crit murdock is better if you only have 52 good luck

>>169233435
thats why i have blink , but yeah a full crit murdock will always better if they get first hit but I feel that If i get first hit and pop ult I can win

>>169231463
>not using a Dance Dance Revolution mat so you can dance along to Shinbae's greatest hits as one of her backup dancers while she anally eviscerates the enemy team

mid/high gold,
looking to play a couple games
I'm usually offlane (Kwang, Greystone) or the best support you'll ever see in gold as Steel

>>169235265
Name?

>>169237325
DouglasDraper

>>169237325
Not that other guy, the guy you replied too, #21 on the paste bin
I play on PS4 though and typing is very slow and impossible during a game, just a heads up

GG RobotLivesMatter ur pretty gud

>>169237519
Doesn't work

>>169242096
We coulda ended faster and done a 3v3 had Howitzer and Aurora not left me to die.

>tfw you have the Santa claws Riktor skin but don't play Riktor
>tfw 2 Murdock skins and sparrow skin
>tfw all these random ass skins for shit you barely play

I wish games ended sooner. The most fun ones end at 30 min. That's when most of the plays you could do get done but then after that its just footsies where you killed the enemy team but the minions were pushed to your towers anyway so by the time you clear the minions that were attacking your towers and push them out so you don't lose your base the enemy team has respawned. You have to keep doing this until like the 45-55 minute mark when deaths are long enough you have time to do shit.

I might as well play dota then ree.

how's everyone's sessions going tonight?

>>169245871
>7 win streak
>actually lose a game

fucking horrible I think I'm going to quit

>>169245871
I just don't get it. Is Sevarog good or not? Everytime I see him on an enemy team, I shit myself, yet building stacks with him is such a fucking chore without using the ult

>>169246180

I don't get this build stacks meme for sev

Does he have like negative hp compared to other heros that he is useless without stacks. I'm pretty sure he has the same stats as other heros except his attack speed is slow or something. Just stop worrying about getting stacks it's probably hindering you. Don't sit and do nothing because you don't have stacks and lock yourself in a jungle.

You should be thinking about it in terms of him having something later on instead of him not having something right now.

I haven't played sev at all yet but this is all that comes to mind.

shinbi looks so real but I can't find a real girl that looks like her

>>169246939
http://www.shin-b.com/gallery

>>169247129
wait what

So is shinbi mid/offlane? Her kit seems strong as fuck.

>>169246613
Well, the stacks also increase damage for his Siphon ability, to the point that it does pretty insane damage. The main danger of seeing a stacked Sev is the fact that he can root and Siphon combo your ass for serious fucking damage

>>169247775
She can do both
you just need to be good with her cuz building fast is harder than it looks

woah woah!

>three losses in a row
damn man this sucks

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>When you see 4 enemies coming mid and you're the only one at the tower
Fortunately the came the moment after I died flinging them away with Sev's ult to get some minion kills and stall for time.
At least we won

>>169256443
I started using Countess and she is a beast under tower. Her minion clear is nuts.

>>169256643
I doubt even Countess would be able to do much with Murdock, Gadget, Sevarog and Aurora coming at her

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>>169256443
>tfw howitzer strike and watch em back away

>>169257975
In all honesty, that probably would've bought enough time to survive

buggabugabugabooo

wake up eurofags

anyone wanna play a few games?

>>169265862
my cranium is in pain

Does scourging tails work on grims slow ?

Page 10? Naw, bruh.

pretty fun against players, we just steamroll them with 1 guy afk and 1 enemy disconnected, 20minute matches ez

This dude makes the best paragon vids

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENt2zkMOPBw

>>169283326
>when you losing but their Kwang disconnects and they all fall apart

>>169283326
I played a game the other day where the enemy howi glitched and walked straight into my tower at level one and I got a kill and he disconnected, by the time he was back I was level 4 and the rape train was on the way.

>>169284109
>aylit
Mah nigger

>play muriel
>every third game has my ult being greyed out and unusable for the entire match

EPIC GAMES

they think we're smaller and not worth the mention.

>7 dodges in a row

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Just had a game that lasted 2 hours.
Our Steel apparently didn't know he had an ult until the last five minutes.

>>169287946
Been there: it wasn't even over a new character, people were just being bitches.

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>miss Kwang's tether
>Good Job!
Shit's hard, you have to lead them. It's not like Grux's pull or Gideon's rock where the hitbox is kind of fucked and you get it if they're in the general vicinity.

>>169289863
Did you win?

>>169292562
Yeah. We had all of their inhibitors down for about 40 minutes before that, though: they probably deserved the win more.

>want to play muriel
>no natures muse

feels bad

>>169285601
our team had lv10+ i was 11 by the end of it, enemy teams best player got to lv8 and their worst was lv4 as was our afk

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opWbU44EVmU

Not five minutes in yet, but if this is high level play, I'm not impressed.

>>169293967
https://agora.gg/profile/431726/Sylphin

I mean I like his autism spreadsheets but I didn't realize he was an actual shitter. I'm mad he got invited to dev stream and gets early access to shit. ree.

https://agora.gg/profile/185492/Pathetik
https://agora.gg/profile/196529/Defysz
Also it looks like this is plat/low diamond when masters exist.

>>169294615
Nah, man: he's commentating, but the quality of this "pro" game is very poor.

> all these people that don't know how to play shinbi calling her shit and asking for buffs.
Yes make me stronger plebs

>>169295386
Hahahah had that in my last couple of games. Shinbi is really strong.

I wonder if Paragon will ever have pro tournaments with thousands of viewers and much money to be earned

>Ally running away from enemy trio
>climbs the 2 flights of stairs on the lane
>doesn't jump and just stands at the corner
>enemy trio comes and jumps right past him
Guess stealth works even when you're not Kallari

>>169295386
>>169295991
Almost everyone that picks her can't play her, and it costs me matches. It's the Kallari/ Serath problem.

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>>169297447
>being chased through the jungle with no health by Steel
>no teammates close by
>he gears up to bullrush
>step aside
>he goes flying off the jump pad into the other jungle and I run to safety

>>169297447
>chase twinblast with low health into the jungle
>he stops moving
>see he's just standing still in a minion camp
>stop and look at him for about five seconds
>he thinks I didn't see him and walks out
I just let him go back to base. Gave me a good chuckle.

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>don't chase that enemy!
>retreat!
>retreat!
When half of the enemy team is missing, especially their fucking gankers, don't chase a lone enemy all the way down mid while we're defending our inhibitors.
YOU
FUCKING
IDIOTS

This is the caliber of team I've had for the entire week, and I've dropped so far from where I was that I may as well just start a new account.

bonus:
>"I'm good with Shinbi" they say in draft

>>169297970
Heh, that's nice anon. He won't get someone as considerate next time he pulls it, but good on you.

>>169302232
>tfw I don't know that feel

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>tfw

>>169297970
I had a similar situation with a twin blast.
>be countess
>enemy twin blast was partnered by steel the who game and was bullying me on my lane since the beginning of the match.
>finally catch him by himself because we scared everyone off after a team fight.
>I give chase in our jungle.
>tries to hide behind our minion camp.
>stare at him and wait for all my cool downs and wipe him and the minion in one combo.
Honestly don't know what he was thinking hiding behind them near the end.

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Oh boy, a win

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>Our Gideon disconnects after first death
>great, yet another loss
>proceed to play one of the greatest games ever 4 v 5 and win

>>169309398
Hiding behind raptors scares everyone away, maybe he thought the principle was the same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWaJhkxbgas

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Share those moments your team did everything right
>Khaimera jungler actually jungles and gives kills second priority
>Steel holds off his lane and helps Sparrow land shots and kills
>Aurora actually holding off-lane pretty well and helping out mid whenever she gets a push
>be Belica and holding off mid, mostly against a Fey and Countess combo, with some dumbass early game Sev who dies like a bitch
>do a dumbass thing once of chasing a low mana countess once when she had a little bit of shield buff left effectively saving her from my ult and landing her a kill
At least I got 7 kills that round. Most people don't see Belica's ult coming since it's a one shit with so much bullshit damage.
They also surrendered 20 minutes in since we got inhib and killed 3 of them

>>169312680
You know I feel sorry for trashtalking that Sev, he was an earlygame Sev trying to hold a lane solo against 3 guys coming at him. He actually tried when his teammates were falling like flies

>>169312545
Damn, I liked the voices themselves, but combined with gameplay they sound fantastic! Characters sound like if they were having lots of fun.

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>>169312545
>THERE'S A BUG ON YOU!!!

>>169312079
Because if you hit the camp it'll chew you down unless you KNOW you'll kill him

Another 4 v 5, this one did not go as well.

>>169313427
yeah that was my favorite

>>169308649
this is what I need

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>someone picks Twin ahead of a level 8 Sparrow
>they've played 10 games
>die 8 times in 20 minutes
>4 surrender votes almost pass but don't
>enemy Aurora and Khaimera are so confident that they are going to win that they set up traps for me in my own jungle
>disconnect
Fuck it. This matchmaking is pure distilled cancer.