/dsg/ - Demon's/Dark Souls General

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This thread is now blessed by Gravelord Nito.

Dark Souls 2 is still the best

Are the tearstone rings based on proportional HP or just having low HP?

fc

>>169041885
>still

It never was.

>>169041783
this image gets larger every time I see it

>>169041549
>look at animations and sounds during the fight with oceiros and you will instantly understand what actually happened to ocelotte and how worthless all your baseless speculations are

you mean the part where Oceiros has been completely *consumed* by madness? and goes completely fucking bonkers when he starts to realize he doesn't have his son?

>>169041897
Proportional.
Under 20%, I believe

>>169041493
Sounds like fun. Sign me up when you guys are ready to fuck up some leafs

>>169041543
Curse was instant for me first time playing Dark Souls 1 when I ventured into frog hell.

Dark Souls is for casuals.

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>>169041885
BEAR
SEEK
SEEK
LEST

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>>169041987
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6vCZdcp6hE
enjoy

>>169042272

The blacksmith from Dark souls 1 was also canonically the first born, up until they cut it. Now they have a new character who is the first born.

that's the magic of cut content, you can replace it.

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>>169042403
You're one dumb motherfucker.
Cries of Ocelotte are still in the game.
Oceiros still holds him at his left hand and that hand creates shockwaves each time he hits with it.

if I use a bonfire aesthetic in forest of giants, does that mean I can KEEP getting effigies from the corpse, or just one more time?

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>of all hyped up Lord of Cinders in the trailer the most interesting one ended up being this guy
Also I'm pissed the skull ring doesn't give you glowing red eyes.

>>169042531

you're a dumb motherfucker yourself

they removed ocelotte from the fight for a reason

they changed oceiros' dialogue to represent that ocelotte was not there, for a fucking reason

I'm sorry this is so complicated for you

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>>169041694
Rate my build
is there anything i can do to make it better?

>>169042659

pls /dsg/ I know its a dumb question but I jsut want to make sure

>>169042946
>they removed ocelotte from the fight for a reason
They removed his visible model because that shit went overboard in terms of gore, he's still in the battle and you can hear his cries and see baby shockwaves he's creating when his father beats the shit out of him.

>>169043115

conveniently skipping the part where they fucking changed his dialogue

>>169039313
Same as every other part of DS2 with enemies in it. A lazy roadblock to slow you down and pad out the game's completion time.

>>169041915

Where?

>>169042896
Honestly, I can't say I'm surprised.
Not after first talking to him and hearing all that "oh don't mind me I'm just a rotting corpse, I'm sure you have more important people to talk with"

Ludleth best Lord in 3.

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>tfw you find another cosplay anon
Thanks, weeb~

>>169043163
Entire point of that battle is that he's getting mad because Ocelotte stays invisible, retard. There's no ambiguity in his dialogues, he simply wants Ocelotte to become visible and stop being afraid of him.

>>169043326
>I may be small, but I will die a colossus

He's a swell guy.

>>169042659
>>169042659

please help

>>169042896
>Aldrich, The "we couldn't get the boss concept to work so we just recycled gwyndolin" of the Deep
>Farron's Undead Legion, The guys with a puny healthbar that you stunlock to death by mashing R1
>And the Reclusive Lord of the Profaned Hallway, Yhormruler the DeS Gimmick

>>169042946
>changed oceiros' dialogue
source?

>>169043541

man you are really intent on this bullshit magical invisible baby narrative.

>>169043272
That's every Souls game though. None of them really put any thought into enemy placement.

>>169043694
Unlike you i'm using actual things present in the game. Not your retarded fanfiction.

>>169043650
aldritch and gwyndolin use absolutely different animations and their battles have barely anything in common aside from sharing a character who is kinda half-eaten in ds3

>>169044007
>same homing projectiles but now purple
>same huge laser but now purple

>>169043834

I'm not the one grasping for straws here retard

Oceiros isn't holding a baby, so I say there is no baby

There was a baby that was cut during development, so you say there is in fact a baby

I am of the opinion that cut content isn't canon, you are of the opinion that people who are mentally challenged (you) have valid opinions.

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>>169043694
Because dragon offspring being able to turn invisible is a foreign concept to the series.

>>169044073
>Oceiros isn't holding a baby, so I say there is no baby
Next thing you will say is that children cry comes from Oceiros.
You're literally retarded, mongoloid.
Nothing is cut, model of the child is still present in actual game, just, you know, invisible.

>>169044191
>Elder
>Not HMPH

>>169042946
>they removed ocelotte from the fight for a reason
Citation needed.

>>169044247

the model is still present because going in and remove parts of a model, when removing the texture works 100% exactly the same, is absurdly time consuming and a pain in the ass. There are baby cries in the boss room because it sounds cool.

>>169044389

because it's overly violent, risking a higher rating, and is a waste of a character.

>>169044495
No, say where did they say why they removed it and whether it's cut content or DLC

>>169044191
Why is Lady Maria so damn tall?

>>169044495
>There are baby cries in the boss room because it sounds cool.
That's it. The beastly idiocy.

>>169044615
>not liking girls with long legs
The edgelady personality is a bit of a problem though

>>169044793
Edgeladies are cute. At very least it ensures she's not a normalfag

>>169043751
You guys aren't even trying anymore.

>>169043834
>i'm using actual things present in the game

If the baby is invisible then he isn't actually present in the game friend.

>>169044702

I feel like I'm arguing with the same retards who pushed that solaire was the first born for 5 years.

>>169044876
He's actually present in the game unlike you're that another anon who thinks that child cry and shockwaves are there because they "look cool" lmao

>>169044134
>have a folder of thousands of Dark Souls and Bloodborne images, mostly from these threads
>113 of them are Priscilla
>still seeing new ones every day

Where are you fucks even finding all of it? Share with me your secrets.

>>169044067
>implying
Anon confirms it, Aldrich is a rip off of the Shrine of Amana because both have slow sorcery projectiles homing in on you

>>169044910
But it's you're the one trying to push a theory that is comparable to solaire being the firstborn, anon.
Still waiting for citation of original Oceiros dialogue you claim to have.

>>169044961
You can find the textures for the mangled baby still in the game, as well as the audio files of it being squashed like a grape. The baby was very clearly intended to be there and get splattered.

The removal at the last second is kind of a clusterfuck and it shows as a half-assed job. You can honestly take away whatever you like from it. The baby is invisible. The baby is already dead. The baby never existed and Oceiros is insane. It doesn't really matter.

>>169044961
>I hear a baby crying during the fight so there must be an invisible baby

By this logic there's an invisible orchestra playing music off to the side of every boss fight.

There's shockwaves because he punches the ground you mong.

>>169045080

I'm pushing the claim that Oceiros is crazy and doesn't have a baby.

you're pushing the claim there is a baby because apparently cut content is canon

you're a fucking retard.

>>169044067
You mean homing soulmass and soul spear?

What? He shares attacks more with Crystal Sage than Gwyndolin.

>>169045127
I've heard the cut audio but I haven't seen the mangled baby textures. Got a sauce on that?

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>>169045327

they're very low quality, they don't look finished

>>169045183
Children's cry and shockwaves coming specifically from his left hand ain't cut content, anon.

Deal with it, poor baby simply dies during the boss battle. He ain't going to show up in DLC, he never had any grand meaning aside from showing up how fucked Oceiros and his eugenic experiments are.

>>169045414
Huh, that's interesting. Thanks anon.

>>169045169
Sounds of an infant are not a part of the OST, they are coming from Oceiros himself during certain moves.

>>169045563

magical invisible cut content baby exists because his hand has shockwaves.

explain to me why the giant royal woman has a fucking dragon egg then? for what purpose does she have that egg?

>>169045774
>egg

You mean Vagrant.

>>169045774
>explain to me why the giant royal woman has a fucking dragon egg then
Woman actually keeps a shell of the vagrant but you've never actually played in DS1, right.

I doubt Ocellote is in the DLC2.

It seems like they just cut the gruesome stuff.

The egg in the trailer, and Gwyn's first daughter, are probably something from the Abyss.

>>169045935
>>169045896

>vagrant

and you say I'm pulling shit out of my ass.

>>169046018
If egg is connected to Vagrants then lore can even go balls deep into multiverse stuff, because Vagrants are the same phenomenon as miracle resonance rings and those were already touched in AoA.

>>169046142
>and those were already touched in AoA.
Tell me a story, Anon

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>>169046092
I didn't, actually. That's some other dude.

But you know I'm right.

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>>169046203

>>169046142

We know that The Ringed City has been taken over by The Abyss.

I'd say it's most likely a hatched Abyss Dragon.

A Vagrant would be cooler, of course.

>>169045896
>>169045935
>>169046018

if we're gonna be faggots lets be faggots

see how the vagrant has the same tendrils as Oceiros?

the vagrant IS Ocelotte

>>169046361
Oh so that's what that description was referring to

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>From only half cuts out half of the baby murder during a boss fight.

>Arguing about whether or not the invisible baby exists instead of complaining about From half-assing things again.

wew

>>169046092
It looks literally the same and even has traces of the same black goo inside.

>>169046495

Probably to get past censors.

They can then just say that the King is just being delusional.

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>didn't realize that Ocerios fucking spikes his kid into the dirt at the phase transition until after I'd been summoned to kill him like twenty times

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>>169046502

it looks like a hatched reptile egg to me anon.

>>169046502
Just from reusing assets nothing new

REUSE THE FUCKING BB MOVESETS REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>169046824

I bet you didn't know that a boy says "rest in peace, father" after you kill him? I don't even know if it triggers every time, I've only heard it twice out of the number of times I've killed him.

>>169047086
You must be shitting me now anon

>>169047086

>plot twist
>your PC is Ocellote

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>>169047086
holy shit I thought I was hearing things so I wasn't the only one

>>169047086
>a boy
Who?

>>169047086
If a boy says rest in peace father then who was the magical invisible baby that supposedly gets murdered?

>>169047692
by the sounds, the clearly survives

>>169047508

nobody believes me either anon. I don't know how to trigger it and I've beaten him several times, but I've heard it twice so I know I'm not 100% crazy. maybe going straight to him before fighting dragonslayer armor?

>>169047617

it's very faint, sounds like Lothric, but I haven't heard it enough to know exactly. I assumed it was the same omnipresent voice that tells you to kill prince Lothric, but people tell me that was priestess emma?

>>169047692

it has absolutely nothing to do with invisible hand baby.

>>169047692
It's actually a really high level aural decoy designed to keep Oceiros looking for his kid

>>169047854
Maybe you need to be carrying Lothric's cinders?

>>169047783
>The baby making clear baby crying noises that is invisible and also gets punted into the ground making a shockwave is capable of talking

This is some kind of next level conceptual ruse.

>>169047975
He does keep crying after being crushed again and again

>>169047967

impossible, the two times I heard it I hadn't even beaten dragonslayer armour yet.

>>169047854
>it has absolutely nothing to do with invisible hand baby.

So.... there's two invisible assholes hanging out then? A baby and a mystery kid. Okay.

>>169047854
I heard it while making my twink, so I had only defeated Iudex, Vordt and the Dancer.

>>169048018
Or maybe the cries are just ambient noise to tie into the theme that the king is completely bonkers. Seems waaaaaay more plausible.

>>169043650
>>Aldrich, The "we couldn't get the boss concept to work so we just recycled gwyndolin" of the Deep
Unironically the lowest point of DS3 was how little Aldrich got for all the hype.

>>169048141

I'd test it but I don't have any pre-oceiros saves. if anybody has one lying around maybe try it out or upload it.

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What the fuck was this guys deal?

>>169048308
desu recycled gwyndolin was way better than recycled gwyn. At least I felt like Aldrich's spells were a natural evolution of gwyndolin's from the first game. They were all functionally the same, yet were each more powerful.

gwyn 2.0 is literally just the same thing with a couple extra easy to dodge lightning spells thrown in.

>>169048528
Crystals do strange things to people

>>169048528

he was completely consumed by seath crystals

he was a puppet

>>169048528
Another Undead who kept trying to kill Seath over and over, but who Seath didn't consider 'worth it' to take prisoner; he kept throwing himself at Seath in the upper room over and over, affixing crystals to his armor and weapons to try and gain and advantage---but all in vain, for he knew not of Seath's invulnerability crystal deep in the caves.

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Discuss why Creighton is an innocent victim of circumstances and the machinations of one manipulative douche and one estoc R1 spammer.

>>169048308
Yeah.
I can forgive Yhorm being shit because he's mentioned in the intro and then pretty much forgotten until you find the Littlest Capital. His presence was about as much as his gimmick warranted.

Meanwhile no boss in 3 is built up more than fucking Aldrich. You beat the tutorial area and Hawkwood exposition dumps Aldrich's backstory. You enter the settlement and Hawkwood tells you "oh by the way the road to aldrich is in that zone, go find it and pay him a visit." The Settlement itself is "Aldrich Loredump: The Zone." The area after settlement is "THIS IS THE PATH TO ALDRICH." The Cathedral of the Deep is his home base and pulls a "lol jk you just spent 1/3 of the game chasing Aldrich but he's not here, go spend another 1/3 of the game chasing him." You just fucking stumble onto Farron keep on the way, passing through for no other reason than it's just kinda in your way on the path to Aldrich.

You face off against him in fucking Anor Londo of all places

And then his fight is squandered in such a mediocre fashion. Even fucking Nashandra was a better payoff than Aldrich

>>169048746
I quite enjoy how ridiculously out-matched Sirris is against him. Same with based Hodrick.

>summon two sunbros at the very first Irithyl bf because I need the coins for SO
>we go all the way to the silver knights
>first silver knight completely ignores my sword for no reason and kills me in a 2hit combo
>neither of the sunbros put their signs down again
I hate this fucking place.

>>169047086
>1400 hours
>never heard it
>only heard his death "OCEEELLAUUGHGHHHH"

Should be in the audio files. If I remember to, I'll extract and listen to every file I can.

>>169048717
Headcanon? If it is, it's actually believable.
>>169048746
He was a lost, confused wanderer. As a foreigner, he was an easy mark for the local government and law enforcement, thus suffering unjust persecution at the hands of the world's most incompetent Darkmoon, who would have been tossed over that bridge sans tongue had it not been for her support muscle, while she took the credit.
I still blame Pate for his misery

>>169048746
Honestly he acts and sounds exactly like me when I meet Patches in my games, so all explanation should end there
That said, Darkmoon loyalty should still take precedence [not that Sirris is a very good role model for that]

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>>169048746
>>169048849
>>169049159

He's a cool dude.

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TFW she's an ancestor of the furtive pygmy

TFW in DLC2 you find the painted world of Artorias

>>169049292
>spoiler

I'd never be able to regain my sides.

>>169049159
>Headcanon? If it is, it's actually believable.
I had thought it originally when I played through, because he looks like an NPC, not just another enemy.

Then I saw it addressed in Silver Mont's lore video on Seath, and he made basically the same conclusions I did, which was neat. So yeah, it's a thing in my headcanon and probably other people's too.

So are you guys going to be doing the event going on on the 25th for DS2? Anybody want to give me some build ideas, I'm up for anything but a mage.

>>169049718

I've considered it, but I'd have to rebuy the entire game because I got robbed like 2 years ago.

>>169049718
STR + pyro
Iron king hammer, outcry, forbidden sun, dual smelter swords, explosions fucking everywhere

>>169049682
The way he's guarding Seath suggests a role as some kind of protector or guardian, even a watchman. The usage of crystalline armor and weapons could lead to being granted the gear by Seath, or he just dug up whatever he could find in the area

Heres a minor theory. The ringed city fell apart because of the same reason Lothric fell apart: Religious schism between a new faith and the old one.
In the Ringed city's case, the Old Faith was the proto-darkwrait/path of dragons.
The new faith was the Way of White.

>>169049839
Crap dude. That sucks.

>>169048717
Thats tragic and hilarious
>alright so if I tie these crystals to my face no way I can lose again

>>169049282
Why the damn ring is so important. REEEEEEEEEEE

>>169050290

actually you are half right, but get this:

the original faith was the path of the dragon. They worshiped dragons and viewed them as the path to enlightenment. The schism came when some elite members of the church, who were transforming into dragons, had a personal revelation and switched allegiances to embracing the dark side of humanity, instead of dragons. This caused them to fall from grace and into the dark, and instead of becoming dragons they became revolting malformed serpents. In response, the rulers and the populace chose to embrace the light of humanity, founding the way of white and eschewing dragon worship as heretical

>>169049718
I still don't get why they've planned it for a few days before DLC2, I mean there's obviously a large overlap in people who'll be interested in both and the majority of them are probably gonna move over to 3 once it drops and forget about the revival.

>>169048746
I mean if he's the same dude and not a lolcycles reincarnation then while he isn't by any means a nice guy, neither BotC or CoA are any better. In fact they may actually be a lot worse.

>>169050221

the description for the armour says that the wearer himself was partially crystallized

I'm of the opinion that the soul crystals are part of seath's soul, and when they consumed the knight they took control of him the same way humanity has a mind of its own and can change people.

>>169050221
Is he guarding Seath though? Because he's clearly hollowed, and the fact that he's right before Seath's first room---where he's invincible---kind of indicates that he went hollow trying to defeat him over and over and over.

I don't think he's guarding Seath at all---why does an effectively invincible dragon need guarding? I think his shit -became- crystallized after spending years trying to make a dent in Seath and failing.

>>169050905

DLC2 comes out march 28th doesn't it?

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There are NINE bastard swords in the game, and FIVE of them are BOSS WEAPONS

>>169050905
DLC2 doesn't come out until nearly the very end of March. There's more than a 30 day gap between the start of that 'event' and the dlc release.

>>169050762
Its not even a good ring man.

>>169050792
Is this from something leaked or are you just making an educated guess.
Primordial serpents being humans all along. Don't know what to think about that.

Also
>light of humanity
What this suppose to be?

>>169051103
The armor set says he went Hollow and partially crystallized. Most likely, he just went insane. The crystals could have been a side effect of the territory, but Seath's usage of Curse-building crystals (set has no Curse resistance at all) could have contributed to his Hollowing and the crystals on the armor

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so what parts of DS2 are canon?

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>>169044615
It's that Pthumerian blood going all the way back through Cainhurst.

Kinda makes me wonder why Maria was never among the chosen to bear a Great One's child.

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>>169051532

>what this suppose to be

the Angels anon

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>>169051175
did someone say BOSS WEAPONS

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>>169051163
>>169051176

Oh yeah, I thought it was next month, disregard the retarded shit I posted.

>>169051546
Almost all of the in-game events are, I'm sure.
Some of the item descriptions are not.
Some of the NPC dialogue might or might not be, depending on wether or not you consider it factual information or the ramblings of a host of schizophrenic amnesiacs.

>>169042272

>00:14

Damn. I'm not surprised that got cut. That was hard to listen to.

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>>169051532

angels

>>169051620
her womb was destroyed by Gherman

>>169042946
Why the fuck can you still hear Ocelotte crying if he isn't there

>>169049292
Isn't she priscilla's and that pyromancer's kid?

>>169051546
Presumably all of it, but at the same time it doesn't actually matter because all of those events took place in a far away land that might as well not exist in the context of whatever is happening in DaS3.

>>169051546
I'm willing to say the bulk of it. It wouldn't make much sense to have a game completely separate from the timeline (since DaS3 is more or less a direct sequel to DaS). The ruling out of the game in the lore aspect because people didn't like it is irrational; we've seen DaS2-specific items and characters reappear, and the game could have survived without them.
>>169051620
It's possible there's an unwritten rule that hunters don't get selected

>>169051532

>A silver ring depicting a snake that could have been, but never was, a dragon. Fallen foes yield more souls.

t. item description

>>169051620

>Kinda makes me wonder why Maria was never among the chosen to bear a Great One's child.

Moon Presence

>>169051685
>>169051870
But aren't the angels connected to the pilgrim butterflies which are abyssal creatures evolved from the pilgrims of londor, a city basically ruled over by Kaathe?
Why is Kaathe suddenly embracing the light side of humanity?

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>>169049292
The Furtive Pygmy is the ancestor of all humans, dingus.

She's a serpent's love child. The eyes are exactly the same.

>>169051175
>it's a boss weapon
>it has the same moveset as the generic weapon in its class
>it has elemental split damage
>it has a "special" WA that's not particularly special or interesting compared to the standard WA
Basically all of them.

>>169052215
Moon Presence more or less had a child, that being Gehrman, or whoever's sitting in the wheelchair

>>169052258

Serpents are dragons. >>169051980

>>169051986
>all of those events took place in a far away land
but they beat it over your head that dangleic=lordran and how would the 4 lord souls have wandered all the way over there?

>>169052234

Sulyvahn also co-opted and destroyed the way of white, so the lines have kind of become blurred, anon

plus I never said the light side of humanity was good, just bright. Petrus was kind of a piece of shit, and they were low key already working with Frampt.

>>169051546
All of it.
Conflicts in canon are the result of two things being developed independently in two places and being unrelated, or a consequence of DaS2's deliberately unreliable narrative perspective

>>169052389

I'm saying the hunters birthed the moon presence

>>169052425
>reincarnating Lord Souls
Always hated that particular plot point. Makes no sense really.

>>169052448
I'm just saying I thought the angels were connected to Londor via the Pilgrims. Isn't that Kaathe territory?

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>summoned to co-op
>it's another "host feels the need to aggro and kill every single enemy in the level" episode
It's going to take me ten years to get ten fucking medals.

>>169052582
I'd say beckoned more than anything

>>169051546
>Vendrick
>Nashandra and the Children of Dark
>Eleum Loyce
>Creighton
>Lucatiel
>Gilligan
>Raime
Pretty much all of it really

>>169052772

the angels are frampt territory, but they could be working different sides of the same angle.

>>169052425
>dangleic=lordran
I really never got that impression, but maybe I just missed something. As far as the 4 souls, it could easily be a case of them just throwing an allusion in there for the sake of it, rather than something to take seriously as if those characters are reincarnations of the four lords.

The main problem is how much of a mess DaS2 is with how certain things fade in and out of where it's trying to be a direct sequel or just another game in a series that has throwbacks and references. Just another mark of the rushed and messed up development the game had.

It seems for the best to consider it a separate area of the world entirely but somewhere in the same universe.

>>169052424
>"The serpent is an imperfect dragon and symbol of the Undead. Its habit of devouring prey even larger than itself has led to an
association with gluttony."
>Dark Souls 1 covetous silver serpent ring.

From my understanding, the true stone-scaled dragons were essentially the infinite pinnacle of existence. Undying, all knowing, without vice or end. Their descendants are flawed and vicious. The serpents were malformed and inherently imperfect, but greedy and crafty in a way that's all too human.

Think of what the race of lords are to the human. Mighty, larger than life, easily overpowering yet lack a devious kind of cunning. The human is weaker, easier to overcome once, but is ambitious, stubborn, and with a dark, almost malevolent cunning. That's what the serpents are to the dragons.

>>169052930

I'm more of the opinion they pooped the thing out, possibly to use as some fucked-up weapon, and it grew out of control, which is why there is an umbilical cord in the hunter's workshop. The doll being a fucked up surrogate for it, maybe

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Hi bros, Im playing Dark Soul 2 and enjoying it
I plan to buy DS3 when the final dlc is released so I gave DS2 a try meanwhile.
I like the game and finally beat it today, but something that I don't really understand is the DLCs lore, can someone give me some insight and make a rundown about what the fuck happened?
Especially the whole Kings and Abyss stuff
So far I don't understand

>The whole deal with Nadalia
>Sir Alonne, why we kill him, did he backstab the Iron King?
>Fume Knight?
>Why there's more smelther demons?
>The entire Sunken DLC
>The entire Ivoky King DLC
>What are the memories how they ever work in the lore
>What's all this thing about Manus turning into hot waifus?

Like I don't understand what the fuck is happening except for the base game lore

Sorry for the beastly idiocy.

>>169051546
The appearance of the giants is probable non-canon considering Yhorm.

>>169050792
Your definitely onto something, but where are you getting this from? Not a lot of info on the ringed city has been released yet to have this much of a conclusion and I, for one, given up all hope that the snakes will ever be relevant again.

>>169053160
The cord itself likely came from Kos and the Orphan, and their third brought the Moon Presence. The Doll was just Gehrman's arts and crafts project. We may want to take the lore discussion to /bbg/, they need the traffic

>>169053361
lol

>>169052880
Always drop your sign by the boss fog. If they summon you then head the other way just crystal out. Obviously, give them 30 seconds or so to make sure they aren't just switching their gear or something.

>>169053361
>>What's all this thing about Manus turning into hot waifus?
Look at the appearance of Nashandra and compare it to a certain character from DaSI.

>>169053516

I find the moon presence's infatuation with hunters, hunting, and fucking up other great one's to be quite a bit suspicious. I imagine the thing being raised by Gehrman, and then it taking him into the pocket dimension because of the familial bond it felt for him. It's also why the dimension is solely the workshop, since that was where the presence spent probably its entire life.

plus, we see that the player turns into a baby moon presence after killing it, so it might be possible this was also a clue to how the thing was brought into the world.

>>169053361

manus' soul was given sentience somehow and in some way. each little piece of humanity contains a fragment of manus' mind and emotions

a handful of shards managed to grow enough to grow physical forms, and represented specific aspects of manus.

seath did the same thing with soul crystals

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>>169053115
>yet lack a devious kind of cunning
Hello

>>169053361
From what I remember off the top of my head
>The whole deal with Nadalia
She went looking for a king, didn't find one, in her loneliness she tore her body and soul and scattered it around Brume Tower like a gigantic phlactery
>Sir Alonne, why we kill him, did he backstab the Iron King?
That's a great question
>Fume Knight?
Was once one of the two main knights of King Vendrick, but after a falling with Velstadt, he set off as a wanderer. He found Nadalia, and started serving her ever since
>Why there's more smelter demons?
Because the world hates you
>The entire Sunken DLC
People buy a city in honor of a sick dragon full of poison. Knights come, stab the dragon because that's honorable somehow. Dragon pops like a baloon, drowns city in poison, lives happily ever after until you show up
>The entire Ivoky King DLC
Another of Nashandra's sisters find another kingdom. Except the king of this kingdom is so awesome, she actually falls in love with him. Except beneath the kingdom they find the festering Chaos Flame that has grown into an Abyss-like plane of reality, so the Ivory King throws himself at it to seal it away, with Alsanna staying behind to watch over his eternal suffering
>What are the memories how they ever work in the lore
They really don't. No one has any idea what the hell an Ashen Mist Heart is.
>What's all this thing about Manus turning into hot waifus?
Manus was a very unique being whose soul and Humanity was unlike anything else seen until now. When he died, after a while the shards of his soul/humanity actually started fusing together again into their own independent beings. This was all most certainly entirely accidental.

>>169053361
Go watch Vaati's lore videos.
I liked the Sir Alonne story a lot

As for Ivory, the Bed of Chaos spreads to Loyce, The Ivory King being a badass goes down there as a sacrifice, the child of dark that was supposed to bring darkness to his kingdom got so wet for him she uses her power to keep Chaos at bay.

Sunken Kingdom had a group of Drangleic Knights, the Drakebloods, invade Shulva for Sihn for his blood. Their leader, Yorgh, stabs him in the chest but joke is on him because the queen, another child of dark, had been singing a curse into the sleeping dragon. As soon as his spear pierced his hide, poison spewed out and wiped out the entire city.

>>169054034

>gwyndolin
>literally the half-human bastard god with snakes for legs

bad example

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>>169052880
>put a sign down at Ariandel Chapel
>they go across the ropebridge and into the village

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>>169054248
>half-human
You have no basis whatsoever to be claiming this, Anon

>>169053897
They didn't find it or birth it, they accidentally beckoned it with the cord. It adopted Gehrman as its surrogate and all hunters sustained by the Dream became its "children." The hunter turning into an infant Great One, not sharing much in appearance to the Moon Presence, came from ingesting those cords and gained eyes on the inside. They followed the instructions in the Lecture Hall for the three cords.
We really need to take this to /bbg/, arguing BB lore isn't exactly a pastime of /dsg/

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>>169054034
This is all true except for
>This was all most certainly entirely accidental.
Whats not accidental is how nashandra is a dead ringer for Dusk of Oolacile

>>169053445
>The appearance of the giants is probable non-canon considering Yhorm.

But what about the dead giant tree in firelink that gives you the seed of a tree of giants anon?

>>169054368

>has snakes for legs
>SNAKES
>FOR
>LEGS

no

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>get summoned while cosplaying
>host is cosplaying as a character in the same series that you are
>die
>can't find out which Steam user is that anon to send him a FR
fuck PC

>>169054487
Nobody knows. To make it even more confusing there's a giant coffin in Gundyr's area with a tree growing on it but AFAIK it just looks like a regular tree.

>>169054427

>woman wears a dress
>is a dead ringer for a woman in a dress

no

>>169054502
I don't remember many humans running around with snakes for legs in this franchise, although memory may be failing me at the moment

>>169054569
No pain trance continue

>>169053361
>What's all this thing about Manus turning into hot waifus?
i despise DS2 for retarded lore nonsense like this

>>169054669

what part of half-human god abomination do you not understand?

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>>169054649
Did you even compare their appearances anon?

>>169054569
Which game?

>>169054797

it's a woman in a fucking dress, there's not much to compare

>>169054802
DS3

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>>169053701
>>169054018
>>169054034
>>169054091
Thanks anons, I don't feel lost anymore.
Im not very bright on this kind of stuff, for Bloodborne at least I got the hang of it thanks to that Paleblood Essay, but since most people hate on DS2 it was hard to find non-meme sources of lore.
Reading gamefaqs lore discussions was painful.

>Go watch Vaati's lore videos.

Never heard of it, I will watch them now, thanks anon.

Tits on return.

>>169054569
Under the 'view' tab you can select 'Players' and see everyone you've connected to in an online game synced in that way with steam. Everyone you encounter online in DaS3 will show up here.

>>169054782
so he got the snakes from his dad?

>>169053361

>Sir Alonne, why we kill him, did he backstab the Iron King?
Sir Alonne didn't betray the Old Iron King, the opposite. He fled to Brume Tower (where he died, you encounter him as a memory) after Alonne went mad.

>The whole deal with Nadalia
Fume Knight (Raime) was Velstadt's partner in battle, I believe that he flees to Brume Tower likewise after some problem came up.

Headcanon: Raime fled to Brume after a dispute with Vendrick, most likely regarding the realization that Nashandra was an evil monster. This makes sense because Raime settles in Brume Tower with Nadalia and became her champion. Perhaps the reason he left in the first place was that Raime thought that Nashandra could be controlled and reasoned with, and disagreed with Vendrick/Velstadt's plan to undermine her power by hiding vendrick away in the undead crypt, where she couldn't reach.

>Why there's more smelther demons?
From Soft is lazy. Each DLC has one recycled boss. (Gank Squad, Blue Smelter, Lud and Zallen) but in-universe? Because the smelter demon was a creation. Headcanon: It's likely that Smelter is Alonne's replacement after he left the Old Iron King, maybe Alonne created the smelter demons in the first place and didn't feel safe leaving the iron king alone without some sort of protection, and knew that even if the king went mad, the demon wouldn't betray him (unlike alonne, who probably felt he was tempted to betray him but had too much honor so instead exiled himself)

>What are the memories how they ever work in the lore
Literally time travel. The Last Giant is the Giant King, and that's why he goes berserk upon seeing you - you were the one who defeated him in the first place and got him trapped.

>>169054782
The half-human part.
I keep asking how the hell having snake legs prove that he's half human and the only answer I get is "BECAUSE THEY ARE SNAKE LEGS!"

>>169054487
That what giants turn into when they die?
Not like they are alone in the turning into trees club...

>>169054967
>has never heard of /our guy/

You're in for a treat anon, and thanks for the animu boobs.

>>169054967
A word of warning, Anon.
If you truly are going to watch Vaati's content, take it with a grain of salt. In fact, just swallow a saltshaker as a whole.
That's a man who makes a living off souls theorycrafting. He has a vested interest in making videos with as many outrageous theories with as much tenous and circumstantial evidence as he can get away with, for the views.

>>169054967
Delete this, Chris is pure!

>>169054904
>Same Color Hair
>Same facial features
>Basically looks like an older Dusk
>Just a woman in a dress
I mean, its not like manus kidnapping Dusk in Aota is important or anything.

>>169054997
It;s never in order of appearance though, so you have to send FRs to like 10 people and message each of them (IF they accept).

so...
is the next dlc going to finally make DaS3 fun?

>>169055370
No.

>>169055134
Isn't Vaati the one who popularized the dumb "Gwyn linked the fire to humanity" theory?

>>169053361
>Nashandra
Fragment of the dark representing power or pride or some shit. Their goal is to seek out powerful, influential souls and get the dark party started. She was pretty good at it up until Vendrick got wise and hid all the shit
>Sir Alonne
You kill some weird ass memory of him, and he abandoned the IK when the dude went insane and sank a fucking castle into a volcano
>Fume Knight
One of said fragments (of solitude) sought the IK and found him dead. She still set up shop, and then Raime the Fume Knight came along after betraying Drangleic and decided to stay with her.
>Smelters
They're a construct
>Sunken
Again, another fragment representing wrath. Only this time a gang of knights fuck everything up by going in and blowing up a poison dragon
>Ivory
There once was a land called Forossa, that fell apart due to war. One knight was so sexy he fucked the augur of fear into falling in love with him and tamed several giant white sabre tigers. When chaos encroached on his land he held it back, then his waifu sealed it up.
>memories
le time and space is convoluted, as in you literally travel through time via someone's memory
>Manus
Souls can be fragmented. Manus soul got fragmented into hot babes

>>169053361

>What's all this thing about Manus turning into hot waifus?
Humanity can manifest as a physical form. Manus was the first. Nashandra came afterward. I don't think "shards of manus" was meant to literally mean that he turned into nashandra, but that he was the first of the series of twisted creatures that come from humanity.

>The entire Sunken DLC
Sunken is a stand-alone story that doesn't really relate to the main DS2 story (unlike Brume). It's about a city that kept a dragon secretly chained up underground to siphon it's blood as a child to power their mages. Unfortunately disease and corruption spreads throughout the city. The Drakebloods (including Yorgh) come to kill the dragon because they believe dragon blood is magical.


>The entire Ivoky King DLC
Also doesn't really relate to the main story. Ivory King was a brutal but wise dictator over the land of Forossa (same place the faraam armor, and likely the player character, is from). He discovers the Old Chaos, which is a connection to the same chaos area where the chaos flame originated (in the DS1 opening graphic, also the area beneath the bed of chaos). He builds Eleum Loyce, a magnificent city, overtop of the chaos to conceal and hide it. He was such a self-sacrificing figure that he built his THRONE overtop of the entrance to the chaos. He worked hard to control the old chaos, either as a source of power or as a way to end chaos altogether, but for the most part failed.

Then comes Alsanna, who (like Nashandra) shows up. He falls in love with her. But since she's a child of dark, being around her weakens him until the old chaos begins to consume him. So he jumps into the fire to use himself to seal it away until a stronger figure can come and defeat it.

Old Ivory King, to me, is sort of a "what if" scenario of what would happen if the events of DS2 took place, but with a much more honorable, powerful, and noble figure than Vendrick.

>>169055398
damn
really makes me think that the A-team ain't really an A-team at all

more like G-team

>>169055040
Sorry, meant Sir Alonne fled to Brume Tower after Old Iron King went mad.

>>169055657
Old Iron King in a secret gay affair with Alonne?

>>169055235
>>169054904
>>169054797
>>169054649
>>169054427
>>169054034
Are you implying that Manus kidnapped a human woman to look what was under her skirt and how "it" worked, because in case someone defeated him he could go "plan b" and split into queens and seduce kings with puffy anatomically correct vulvas? Just to spread the abyss again

>>169054967
Wait so Vaati okay around here now? Last time I was here everyone hated his shit and thought he was retarded.

>>169055806

See: >>169055559

>I don't think "shards of manus" was meant to literally mean that he turned into nashandra, but that he was the first of the series of twisted creatures that come from humanity.

Manus is a young (dumb), but powerful (close to the abyss) manifestation of humanity.

Nashandra is an old (smart) but weak (far from the abyss) manifestation of humanity

>>169055806
The idea of Manus having a grand secret plan to explode into women in case he was ever defeated is almost as ridiculous to me as the idea of the Furtive Pygmy being a grand chessmaster that has been micromanaging every major event in this franchise from the shadows rather than just an easily forgotten nobody that decided to be a major bastard for no particular reason.

>>169055892
>making money off retards who think Souls lore is serious
I dunno anon people have done a lot worse things for cash.
I wouldn't mind getting paid for shitty fanfiction.

>>169055806
Not any of those anons, but the fragments of his soul lusted for power, given the description of Nashandra's soul. The best way to acquire that power was to seduce the local kings; they just adopted the appearance of beautiful women to accomplish their means

Any sunbros on PC want to kill Yhorm with me?
I really need the medals before I head into Lothric Castle.

Sign at fog, pw "ahahaha"

>>169055970
>close to the abyss
FATHER OF

>>169055806
What I'm implying is that Manus was originally a human woman before those Oolacile Sorcerers dug her up and tortured her into insanity.
But part of her still remembers what she was before she became the father of the abyss
>A wrenching nostalgia, a lost joy, an object of obsession, and a sincere hope to reclaim it
>Could these thoughts belong to the beast from the Abyss?
>But if that were true, then perhaps it is no beast after all?

>>169055981
>the Furtive Pygmy being a grand chessmaster that has been micromanaging every major event in this franchise from the shadows rather than just an easily forgotten nobody that decided to be a major bastard for no particular reason.

I like to think in my headcannon that the pygmy was the first person to link the flame

>>169056154
I still think that the Furtive Pygmy is Patches. It's why he hates clerics and is in all of the games.

>>169055452
>Pride
>Solitude
>Wrath

So Manus is FMA Father basically?

What the fuck os this action queueing
>lightning doggo attacks
>Press roll
>get hit becasue im retarded
>rolls immediately after recovery
>die

>>169056148
>Manus was a woman
>Manus FATHER of the Abyss
Also it's assumed that Manus was the husband of the furtive pygmy or at least lost his wife or someone close to him since you have the broken pendent, him kidnapping Dusk, Dusk's description of what she felt in the abyss, the shards of Manus all seeking out companions/marriages first thing when they reformed, and Karla getting somewhat attached to the Ashen.

>>169056154
Gwyn was the first person to link the flame, there was no one that linked it before him.

>>169055981
To be a prick for no reason other than you can is probably one of the most human acts one can do, as opposed to the lords where everything needs a bullshit dramatic reason.

>>169056453

bonfire is an undead corpse for a reason anon, it didn't just appear like that.

>>169056294
That's dumb. Your dumb.

>>169056453
In my defense, don't women have some sort of unique affinity for humanity? Thats why only they can be firekeepers?

>Karla
Zullie's daughter or Zullie's reincarnation?

>>169056696
>Your dumb.
The irony.

>>169056569
Patches kicks you down holes for shits and giggles, apologizes for it, then does it again as soon as you turn your back.

>>169055892
Not really okay as much as he's somewhat tolerated right now since he was the only "pillar of the community" to release his Ringed City information from the event while the others just made excuses about being too busy playing Nioh and FH.

We'll probably go back to hating him the next time he plagiarizes or makes a retarded theory on how "X" is Velka/Allfather Lloyd.

>>169056694
Wasn't that a cut idea from 3?
And why would the furtive pygmy link the first flame anways?

>>169056696
>That's dumb. Your dumb.
Get ready for a nonsensical explanation of why he's right. I agree that it's idiotic beyond words (appearance in DeS and BB (even AC to an extent) don't fit in, lack of appearance in DaS2, no real aim or motive), but just leave him to talk to himself

>hiro broke images on the entire fucking website
bravo
r
a
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>>169056943

I'm talking about the first flame anon

the first flame is an undead corpse, bonfires are made from undead corpses. Pygmy became the first flame.

>>169056294
>Furtive Pygmy
>Is Patches
>Because he hates clerics
what

>>169020128
ahahahaha

no not at all.

All i get is the arena.

so I respecced with CE so I could be 120 again

>>169057057
Now that you brought it up, do we have any lore about the bonfires?

>>169056696
She might have been a reincarnation of Zullie, but her connection to Manus is a thing too, with her current reincarnation's name ending in -a like all the other sisters of dark and her soul stating she's a child of dark and immortal.

>>169057095
People have forgotten that Humanity is the Dark Soul. That puts humans, especially the pygmy, on the same level as the gods. Yet, clerics buy into this whole "gods are superior and should be worshiped and obeyed" crap.

It makes sense that the pygmy would had clerics with a passion, the same way Patches does.

>>169057275

all we know is that

1. bonfires are made from the corpses of the undead

2. the first flame is a bonfire

"First flame" could literally just mean "first bonfire" and we just dont know because of lack of info.

>>169057330
>Humans get the smallest sliver of a lord soul, split over million times.
>Same level as the Gods with their fully intact Lord Souls

>you still get ONE sunlight medal regardless of how many Warriors you have summoned
Is there anything this game does that DOESN'T piss players off?

>>169057330
Patches hating clerics is nothing new, it was happening in DeS. Let's say he is the Pygmy, why is he a spider in BB? Or in AC? Or why is he not even in DaS2 (and please explain this one without your usual hate parade of the game).
He's just a character that they reused, almost a sign that Miyazaki was working on the game, the recurring trickster figure

>spend all game up to Undead Crypt fighting things with a Lightning-infused Mace plus miracles
>"alright, this weapon is getting old. Let's try something more interesting"
>pick up Velstadt's Sacred Chime Hammer
>it is still worse than the Mace

Someone, please advise, this is ridiculous.

First playthrough babby here, what should I do before venturing into NG+?
I killed the NPCs in firelink shrine and found havels/drakebloods armor sets.

DaS3 of course

>>169057629
>>Humans get the smallest sliver of a lord soul, split over million times.
Each humanity is a full dark soul. Big M said this during a DaS1 interview.

>>169057576
I assumed that Gwyn created the bonfire in the kiln of the first flame as a part of the linking process, not that the bonfire already preexisted.

>>169057317
One of the spells you get from Karla implies she's zullie's and alva's daughter

>Dark Edge
>Passed from mother to daughter, this blade was intended for both protection and as a means of taking one's own life. The young girl never swung it more than once.

AAAHHH the slime! The slime is red hot! Sulyvahn you rat! You weren’t using the kiln of the first flame to bake cookies, you were heating up the saint of the deep so you could give me the ole’ spicy cannibal!

How could you give your own trap the spicy cannibal, Sulyvahn?

>>169057687
Wait, disregard all this, I just realized Sacred Chime Hammer scales with the lowest faith or int, not just straight up faith.
...well fug

>>169057894

yeah but he had to make it from something. someone. and he's also canonically the only non-human to link a flame.

>>169057982
What's your FTH at currently?

>>169057820
>Big M said this during a DaS1 interview
link?

>>169057275
Off the top of my head what we know:
>Bones of undead are burned in the bonfires
>Humanity from the firekeeper fuels it
>Firekeepers are extremely close to the dark, full of humanity, and if it wasn't for them tending bonfires they'd probably go full Pus of Man.
>The first firekeeper saw some horrifying shit and her eyes are clearly tainted with dark/abyss.
>Firekeepers can retire and die eventually, as seen from DaS2 and all those firekeeper corpses in DaS3.
>Linking the first flame seems to allow firekeepers to be relieved of their duty if the DaS1 firekeeper's dialogue is any hint.

>>169058209
It's sitting at 51, meanwhile I have only 12 INT because I was too stupid to realize that the damn thing scaled like hexes.

I wasted a whole lot of upgrade materials on it too.

>>169046495
in general, oceiros is a halfassed boss that doesnt really feel like he belongs where he is. hell, preview shots showed gundyr in there instead. (with the field of ghost swords in the ground)

I feel like Oceiros in general is rushed cut content that was supposed to be somewhere else and they just shoved him at the end of the garden

>>169058230
It was in the old DaS1 OP copy pasta. It is how we orginally found out that humanity was the Dark Soul.

>>169057820
it's rock paper scissors guys

humans > gods/lords > dragons

for simplification, witches and nito are considered 'gods'

>>169058554
Considering what the DLCs are dealing with and the cut content Ocelotte baby, I wouldn't be surprised if the DLC plotline and the half-breeds were going to be explained in a minor side-quest and instead they decided to make it longer and more drawn out by putting it in the DLCs.

>>169058631
Well, I just wasted a whole bunch of time looking for where it says that a fragment of the original dark soul is a full blown copy.
By that logic, every human should be manus tailored powerful.

>>169057924
Go back to /tfg/

>>169059484
Every human has the potential to be a Dark Lord. That is why the gods were so afraid of them, and why they obscured the history of the Dark Soul.

Manus was basically brought back from the dead and his humanity went out of control.

>>169058209
Use a Soul Vessel and go 30 FTH / 30 INT

>>169041694
>>169042978
anyone? pls
i maide another with 48 vit and 40 endurance
but all i can wear with it is the dusk dress and iron bracelot is that not good enough?

Is there any info on the splitleaf GS? I hear conflicting rumors about it being a halberd and a greatsword? Which is it? (I don't want to read vaati's thing for fear of spoilers.) I just want to know what it is/does/stats on just this item. Might work out for a cosplay so I'll go out of my way for it.

>>169059660
Titanfall general?

>>169059906
It's possible that it uses a completely hybridistic moveset that might incorporate both Halberd and Greatsword characteristics

>>169059754
Shit, meant for >>169058402

Is it worth it to beat the game and put up with NG+ shit just to be a level 40 anti-twink at high wall and settlement? SL20 twinks can still invade me at that level and I want to troll them but Ive already killed the dancer, vordt, and cursewood. Should I just give up and swamp stomp or go full circle?

>tfw want to make a fatrolling greatshield spear-turtle tank build but can't decide on specifics

>>169060053
That's pretty cool.

Does anyone have that leak screencap of the anon who knew about old firelink before we saw it?

Why can't they just add in a blue-eye orb? Just drop it in Yorshika's church or something fuck.

>>169061365
because there's no sin mechanic.

thats basically why it doesnt exist. otherwise it would just be a red eye orb painted blue.

>>169060107
Honestly I might just bite the bullet on my own idiocy and realize I lost a lot of upgrade materials on a weapon that's useless to me.

Probably going to go around with a Defender Greatsword or something instead now, considering not a single blunt weapon in this game scales natively and effectively with Faith it seems

>>169061470
Why not have Concords drop from invasion kills, like Sunlight Medals?

>>169061470
But they don't really need sin, just let me into worlds that have reds in them without the host needing to put on his okay badge.

And fucking fix poison.

>>169061682
Poison if fine retard, get gud

>>169060407
Spears are pretty underwhelming overall. But using a great shield with the right hand weapon art as the skill can make things more flexible persuer's is the only one I can think of but they're are others. Try dragonslayer swordsspear and use the awesome weapon art from behind your personal fortress or perhaps something with charge. You can also keep a pocket dagger with Quickstep for BECOME UNSTOPPABLE mode. I've fought that set up before and it was very annoying. I only got hits in by dead angling.

>>169041694
is the grass crest shield worth it in das1? or are you better off just using the heater shield for better armor?

>The ringed city is the city of the pygmies

>Everyone is STILL taller than you

>>169061941
something something game design so you can see what you're fighting better

>>169051980
>still insisting on the retarded dunnel/priscilla shipping

You guys will gobble up any retarded theory that comes your way, won't you?

How can Dark Souls 3 be so good? I thought it was overrated at first but the story and setting matches DaS1's level of polish, with major improvements over DaS1/2's controls and combat.
Lads I might actually do NG+ after DLC2 at this rate

God, I want to see what the Herald's Helm looks like with the visor down so bad.

>>169061863
Grass crest is meant to be worn on the back while you two-hand your weapon like a real man. If you want defence in pvp, go magic crest or blood shield. Heater works for anything else as long at you lower it after 2 hits.

post fan art that you have made

>>169061550
in that case they should just make it so if you invade with a red eye orb while wearing the sentinel/dorkmoon badges, you invade as a blue, something which is fine by me

>>169062129
We can't post images right now.

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what's stronger, str, dex, fai, int, str + dex, str + fai, str + int, dex + fai, dex + int, fai + int?

Who let all the casuals know about the hollowslayer?

>>169053361
>What's all this thing about Manus turning into hot waifus?
Manus is stated to be consumed by extremely powerful emotions, namely nostalgia and want.
Manus also has an extremely feminine, thick thighed, thin wasted, and seemingly breasted figure.
Manus wanted to be a grill. The pendant reminds him of wearing jewelry and happier times.

When you killed Manus, the massed humanity in the area split and dispersed.
When you traded Manus's soul to the crow girl, she split it into several pieces to warm her nests.
These pieces eventually grew with the ages of fire and dark to become their own entities, composed of raw emotion.
Nashandra was Manus's desire and want.
Elana was Manus's primal rage and wrath.
Alsanna was Manus's fear and solitude.

>>169062184
Strength plus dex beats pretty much anything.

>>169062184
>actually needing to ask this

STR+DEX every single time

>>169061365
Because fuck the players, Miyazaki just wants your money.

The "ran out of time to make the game" excuse is tempting, but you also have to remember that the "Sin" mechanic would have had to be fine-tuned before it was implemented in DaS3.

What determines where and when a Dorkmoon can invade a sinner? Should the orb be global and invade anyone who's Embered and is a sinner? Should the level of sin determine priority and reward, and after a successful kill should the level of sin reduce? Should sin be determined by number of kills as a red invader, should it also include purple invaders, is it only kills against the host or also against other phantoms? What if a Dorkmoon invades a sinner, who is also coincidentally invaded by a red?

Part of the issue is that unless there are enough concrete differences, why would people not simply invade as a Finger? There's no real difference in it, mechanically, since covenants can be swapped on the fly, so the only real reason to join one side or the other is for the rewards or for roleplay (which is, again, pointless since covenants are temporary).

If anything, the whole problem is that Dorkmoons shouldn't exist as a covenant in the first place, since that role is already taken by the Blue Sentinels; and on the flip side, there's no point in making them sinner invaders since Rosaria's Fingers also exists and they'll get far more activity due to being able to invade indiscriminately.

>>169062184
are you a wizard

>>169062182
why not? i was wondering why my upload failed

>>169062286
Half of that is bullshit.

>>169061734
Poison does 300 damage. Any weapon in the game can do more than that in a single hit.

So when are you going to stream, pussy.

>>169062184
how the fuck did you post that

>>169062319
they need to make it easier

my last cheevo is all rings because pf this fucking covenant

How could you make split damage useful without making it flat out better than pure physical?

>>169062425
the purpose of poison is not cause damage retard

if damage was everything great weapons would be the best in the game

>>169055559
>But since she's a child of dark, being around her weakens him
is this speculation or just something that went right over my head? i dont remember seeing anything to that effect

>>169062110
i'm wearing the dusk dress and hollow soldier waistcloth
i was wondering if the defence from the dingy robe would be worth it
but i can only wear it if i switch grass for heater what do you think?

>>169062613
>the point of poison is not to cause damage
>literally the only effect it has is calling damage

What did he mean by this?

>>169062527
It's simple
Do it like DaS2

Buffs need to be multipliers, not flat damage
In DaS2 the more base damage you had, the better buffs were on it

Flat defense needs to be removed as well, because it makes any amount of small element damage completely fucking worthless
The only defense against elements should be a %, and light armor / robes need to be FAR better at resisting it than they are now

This system along with the functional poise system made heavy vs medium vs light armor a reasonable setup

Instead, element defense means absolutely nothing in DaS3, you get heaps of it from just about anything
You don't need to even think about switching your armor to resist lightning or whatever in a wet area
Defense rings are also a joke

>>169062613
>the purpose of poison is not cause damage retard
I have no image but I must scream.
>>169062767
He's a fucking idiot that thinks invaders have more of an advantage in 3 than hosts do. And every time I've told him to stream and prove it he's pussed out.

>>169062613
It kind of is, poison and other DoT is supposed to put pressure on the afflicted by making them decide between taking the full damage or using moss to cure themselves at the risk of being punished by their opponent. When poison does less total damage than an r1 from most weapons there's no decision to be made because letting it trickle down your health is clearly the safer option.

>>169063000
>more of an advantage than hosts do

What, because of monsters? How does someone actually think this? The host has literally everything you do, except more health, more healing, and certain shit that actually works that doesn't for invaders. He can even pop a seed to level the playing field, or else gather up a mob train and run at your dumb ass.

That's to say nothing about being able to throw infinite expendable backup at you, some of which can be password summoned SL200 fags.

So is the ringed city gonna be like, the last addition to Dark Souls, ever? This better have some answers

>>169063437
>So is the ringed city gonna be like, the last addition to Dark Souls, ever?
Yes.
>This better have some answers
lol

>tfw getting every item in the game every new character because i need the estus shards and undead bones

>>169063306
The excuses he uses over and over are: pull mobs into them, shoot poison arrows, and git gud. Despite all the barking though he won't show us how great he is.

>>169063437
>This better have some answers
*raughs*

>>169063505
Is there any reason not to do this?

>build needs me to go Rank 1 in Warriors, Darkmoons, and Faithfuls
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>>169063698
It gets pretty boring after the first few playthroughs you know??? I just want to chill

>>169063437
>This better have some answers
(solid minute of laughter)

>>169063602
But the host can do the exact same thing? They can literally pull mobs right to you, and sit out of range with the obscuring ring, and plink you with poison arrows.

This is MORE effective than when you do it to them, because they have to whittle you through less than half the HP. If you do it to them, they have 30% more total health to poison through, twice the estus, any healing from phantoms, and any mobs they kill can potentially refill their estus.

>>169063505
I have that same problem, even on NG+. I have every single item, but keep making detours to grab everything anyways, and it hugely slows me down. I don't even think about it, I just pilfer all the shinies.

Wait a minute, Irithyl had nothing to do with Pontiff.
He showed up and took over, but Gwyndolin was running the entire thing up until that point. How have I never read that?
Fucking GREIRAT of all god damn people is the one who says the city had a bunch of moon worshiping nobles originally.

>havent been a blue in a while
>hey lets try that
>put thing on while going through ariandel
>get summoned
>hey that was fast
>appear at the very start of the area with the dogs and the knights
>nowhere near host or invader
>remember that blues in this game can aggro enemies
>host of embers has died

ah, now I remember why i STOPPED being a blue

>>169064046
>Do some mound makin for shackles in the DLC
>Every single invasion is two white phantoms and a blue being summoned immediately.
If you see mobs alive and you spawn at the bottom of the drop off just sprint up the side path and drop down on the upper level with the host. No blue I saw ever had an issue joining up with the mob blender team and plowing through the DLC shit.
Wolves dont even fucking attack you right away they just stare at you.

>>169063880
Yep! I love seeing how bullshit it is when someone make a oneshot build and invades, kills the the phantoms, hits the host with his combo, and he still STILL lives with the tiniest bit of hp. At that point it doesn't matter much, he's still going to die. But just seeing exactly how much bullshit you have to go through to do that and THEY STILL LIVE is such a fucking middle finger up the ass of anyone who wants to invade.

>>169064046
It's weird how quickly blues are summoned but how hard it is to get summoned as a blue.

To make it worse the majority of blues are awful at the game and just after ears so they can get achievements.

>>169064005
/dsg/ is mostly a series of some fucktarded anon failing basic reading comprehension and then everyone else repeating it without fact checking anything.

It's explicit that he moved in, declared himself Pontiff, put Aldrich in a room with Gwyndolin, and effectively imprisoned Yorshka, because he is a Deep worshiping nutjob and subscribes to Aldrich's god devouring channel.

>>169064461
I do it for the Darkmoon Ring. I couldn't give less of a shit about 100%ing DS2 and 3.

>>169064005
Do you think Irithyl's all dark and mooney because Gwyndolin was eaten or Gwyndolin stopped hiding away and embraced the moon?

>>169064461
>It's weird how quickly blues are summoned but how hard it is to get summoned as a blue.
THIS. If I put WoB on they come as soon as I get invaded and I see them in invades all the time, but never get any summons myself.

There's also that stupid bug where they spawn in after I've already killed the red by myself. The poor bastards.

>>169064524
That is a good ring. It's annoying you basically need it if you want to cast spells.

I don't get why they won't increase the ear drop rate. Other covenants are much easier to grind the drops. I grinded for tongues to get the obscuring ring and with a half assed item discovery set up I got it in no time. Even grinding for the ring alone in Darkmoon is a nightmare.

>>169064723
>There's also that stupid bug where they spawn in after I've already killed the red by myself. The poor bastards.
That's how the majority of my summons happen as a blue. Either the host is dead or dies before I get to him or he and his summons killed the invader.