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>2.6: Legacy
https://www.pathofexile.com/legacy
>3.0: the Fall of Oriath
https://www.pathofexile.com/oriath
>Offline Skilltree Planner
https://github.com/EmmittJ/PoESkillTree/releases/
>Offline Build Planner
https://github.com/Openarl/PathOfBuilding/releases
>Helpful links
http://pastebin.com/8R2HQiuu (embed) (embed)
>"Hey guys what's the price on this piece of shit item"
http://poe.trade/
>Wiki
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Path_of_Exile_Wiki
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first for no hardcucks allowed
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fuck this game
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fireball elementalist or inquisitor ?

for bhc

havent played in some time and I'm sure the breaches are going to rape my ass anyway

I dont care for pleb meme blade skills
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Reposting for an answer desu.

>i got an ad for Guardians of Ember,i'm guessing it's shit?
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>>169003187
Elementalist if you wanna live.
Inquisitor if you want moar damage than you know what to do with.
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Tfw get both my level 88 and level 83 die within 2 hours of each other.
I just gave all my exalts and chaos orbs to a newbie and quit till next league.

What are some good other vidya to kill time till next league?
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With the promised 1h love I think I'll try pic related for 2.6 desu senpai

Unless the AoE changes snips BF's balls off, then I'll try something with less attack speed and more crit. Like everyone else...
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I want queen atziri to flay me alive and use me in her quest for eternal youth
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>>169004376
>eternal youth
Zerphi boss fight when?
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why is tul so perfect, bros?
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because she is not real
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IMPORTANT LEAGUE POLL

http://www.strawpoll.me/12388328

IMPORTANT LEAGUE POLL

http://www.strawpoll.me/12388328

IMPORTANT LEAGUE POLL

http://www.strawpoll.me/12388328
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Post pictures of tul
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>>169005659
Scrubcore. I'm too much of a lazy sack of shit to gamble it all on the chances that that 4-Ghost 5 Essence Mob with a Bonespire Talisman won't kill me.
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>>169003670
This is the thing I'm struggling with as well. Planning on buying FFXIV but I know that in 2 weeks I'm just going to go ham on PoE and then I have FFXIV which I will probably not play a whole lot for the coming month.

If it's easy to get the legacy stones (I assume they will be easy to obtain) then having perandus, breach and other stuff active will make it really easy to get a build going.
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>>169003670
>>169006676
Hollow Knight comes out on Friday.
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>>169003682
But then you're going to have to face the issues of a possible vaal pact nerf if going crit. Since life and crit doesn't really work atm you end up with too few life unless life gets some changes as well. If the Vaal Pact + ghost reaver thing gets nerfed along with possible nerfs to ES melee ES builds are not going to be a thing to play in hardcore anymore. Just removal of vaal pact will hit very hard.
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Is this a ok Max Block Crit Lacerate Gladiator Build? http://poeplanner.com/AAUAAOEkAwBuuR0V7JkrvYHKkITZR369NmVNvqcvzMGCYuy2ioTv2sF07QUteu9AoMC_qZUM96yvBIcyTo-ZGbQtgxUgCTPRNuIsAdx346lueWjBBF8_wBp4DbXyNZLYvTrh_o9N46ZXFCDvDlBH5FEaPn7ieTlnm8T2cqn3MpJ93COYb-XPr6c9DwY5UWD7qvMGxq4LYa9saPLwH6IABLPqGHasz36tjayqWfMaOJBVJy_p1a4-wGY8Be983Q1brw2N_MW3F4Dh4l44lhR1d9d0oFh1BiAX3AaiBosg41_aCiaS9wAAAAAA
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How important is Spire of Stone for pizza sticks? As in, do you care enough that your totems get stunned to use up a jewel for it, even if you have 0 allocated strength in the radius?
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this confirms it, HC is dead

Why do you think did it die?
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>>169007203
You can forego it, but it's very helpful. All depends on personal taste.
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>>169007357
>Polling during daytime when the HC players sleep
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>>169007525
>HC
>Sleeping
You're doing it wrong desu senpai.
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>>169007601
That's only true when there's a new league out
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>>169007357
It died when they removed separate HC/SC leagues. It's been a wasteland for ages. HC is niche and GGG doesn't care about making a niche HC arpg anymore; they only want money, and niche doesn't make money. The casualization and powercreep of poe is not a meme. It attracts more people and yields GGG more money. They can't make shittons of money catering to such a small percentage of their playerbase (it used to be the majority of their playerbase).
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>>169007730
but the statistics from breach showed more players in HC.
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>>169006745
I don't know but I imagine with leech being so heavily debated (and mostly Vaal Pact) I do expect some changes are coming. The thing is if you nerf ES and buff life, so that life will be better, people will just start making unkillable builds that only die to oneshots with life + leech + vaal pact.

https://youtu.be/a11NfvfTDUI?t=1065

17:45-19:45 Chris Wilson talks about the plans he has. At 19:00-19:30 he mentions a couple of things that are ''hot topics'' in other words topics that likely are going to be adjusted or nerfed.
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>>169007804
Do you have a link to them? I can't be bothered looking. You could be right but the previous leagues did not match that trend.
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>>169007804
>>169007730
Hardcore difficulty always had the player retention issue. The leagues would die out early because people just lose motivation to level a fourth or fifth character.
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>>169007957
it's almost as if hardcore is retarded or something
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>>169007927
that was 2 months in
its of course just a snapshot of the ladder and does not display all characters
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>>169008451
It displays the top 2,000 from each. The last time we got statistics actually comparing the leagues would be the prophecy thread here:

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1707517
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what are some ethical builds?
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What did he mean by this ?
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POE misses that joy of finding better gear for yourself like in Diablo. In poe you just buy your min maxed gear and you are done.
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just run mf /b/ro
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It wouldn't be the same thing with the second build. Your first build should be an efficient farmer and able to shape most yellow maps while retaining an easy leveling without great gear. The cost curve on it should modest to prevent eatting into your next builds stockpile.

Then on your second build spend a few alcs on leveling gear and breeze through til maps. You can now play a much larger amount of builds because you didn't pigeon hole yourself into build that can literally do everything which is a very small amount of options from the very start.
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>>169009557
or you can just get a fotm build farm endgame and get as much income
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>>169009203
It's only like that in poe because GGG has to balance around their precious softcore economy.
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>mathil copying MY oro's cyclone with xoph
fucking manlet
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>>169009203
>d3
>joy of finding gear

In d3 you find all gear you want in less then a week and then you really only can get 5% upgrades(basically min-maxing)

Oh you can also farm paragons/gems
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Mathil did it first, fact. It doesn't matter if you made the build and even made a build guide on the forum, Mathil did it before you, even if the date he did it is after your build was created.
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>>169009203
>>169010309
Neither PoE nor D3 ever gave me the same feeling i got when i dropped my Griffon's back in D2 (although my first Shav's drop came quite close).
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fuck you bitch I planned that shit the instant I saw xoph's blood
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>>169010459
How would Poe fix it?
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will /ourguy/ ever return?
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My first brodeal ever. Too bad it's so late into the league.
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pt is NOT our guy
baked is
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nice flask binds
wish I could shoot you rn
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>peepole unironically enjoy playing seizurestrike
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>>169010590
If you were spewing words back when Breach started here, I definitely remember it.
Mathil still did it first 3 months later.
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>>169011104
Remove the RNG out of jewels fuses
Reduce to certain extent the bad rolls on high level gear
More shit like essences like something that rolls suffixes doesn't touch prefixes or vice versa
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>>169011275
no idea what you're talking about, I don't share my builds
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>>169011104
Eh,i still get some rush out of PoE when i see a T1 Unique or an ex drop,don't get me wrong.I guess the Griffon incident just stuck with me cause it was that one unique i just REALLY wanted.
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HOWAutists need to be rounded up and shipped away to extermination camps

i think everyone here can agree with this reasonable opinion
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>>169005659

its no surprise our gen has been raided by shitbirds
now even GGG has acknowledged them
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RF SR, life or low-life? Assuming currency isn't a huge issue.
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low lifu
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>>169011482
>HOWAutists
Don't you mean HoWaAutists
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>>169011482
GGG's dev and QA team should be rounded up and gassed. anyone who actually plays this shitty game knew how op that claw would be when it was released
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we went over this last league

pt is our guy on odd days, our guy baked on even days, and our guy paws on weekends
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>our guy paws
she's a girl you shitlord!!!!!!!!!!
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>>169010145
>WE WUZ META BUILDERS N' SHEEEEIT
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>>168908115
>free
>>168915584
>free
>>168929381
>free
>>168960861
>free
>>168997384
>free
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>>169011819
>fire sword with avatar of fire amulet
>meta
HAAH
WAAW
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>>169005659
im gonna play sc because im too shit for the labyrinth. i usually play hc but i give up now, i've lost too many chars to traps
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is it possible to make a non support quad/penta curse blasphemy build?
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literally how do you die to traps

just press 1 or fucking using your movement skill
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the only scary thing in lab are those poison pew pews if you're not ci
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>>169012085
quad yes
penta no

dont see why tho. curses are the most gimped theyve ever been
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>>169012058
Same, it's the biggest factor deterring me from playing HC. I'm too fucking lazy to do every trial/lab carefully and anallyze every roomba's trajectory.
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>>169012296
Just to make something different, get damage from the curses and not the tree
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>there is no incentives for creating alts
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>>169012058
>>169012468
holy shit you guys need to git gud
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>>169012640
stop
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>>169012662
no, 1500+ hours on steam playing mostly on hc. i give up now, i'm just too shit at doing the traps
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Someone give me the copy pasta. You know the one.
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it's stupid how the best way to deal with most trap layouts is to just quicksilver through and using your health pots as necessary
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what are some ethical items that are SSF viable
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I play softcore because I don't care what anyone thinks and I'm FREE to do what I want, you all should feel the same
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I never liked ARPG games, and I only played POE because my friend and I were looking for something to coop. The fact I was playing with a friend was literally what kept me slogging through the game until I finally understand it. The game really does need a tutorial, but I'd say more like giving them out as they become relevant. IE, find the firs trial, get a small popup explaining that trials let you access something later on. Claim reward before Brutus from Nessa, have a small pop up explaining that some gems can be linked together. At this point of the game's life cycle, especially with the ambitious move to Xbox, there is absolutely no excuse for not having something as basic as a tutorial explaining the mechanics. it's something that really should have been in the game from the beginning and updated as more stuff got added.
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>>169012058
I didn't know there were actually people that found that pile of shit hard. I thought all the hate was just because it was boring, unfun and unrewarding.
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>>169012284
One of the lieutenants has some of reflect ability that he rarely uses. I only found out about it this league towards the end of the endgame challenge.
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30 seconds of voice as you are laying in the water.

"You have been exiled to the land of Wraeclast from the capital city, Oriath, blah blah blah." Keyword here, intro to Lore there, and then

"You wake up in Twilight Strand."

Then a tutorial inside Twilight strand.

These are sockets. This is how you link them and how you get more of them.

These are colors. This is how you change them.

These are gems. This is how you equip and use them from the UI.

These are support gems, and their relation to links.

These are flasks. They gain charges as you kill more.

It should not be that hard to implement this?

Twilight strand should be 10x bigger on Tutorial mode turned ON (default) and there should be little quests from guys all over that give you an idea on what I laid out above. Do this, and i guarantee you that average player retention lasts far beyond Brutus.
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I don't think the lowest ilvl of the items that you trade in determines the level of Mysterious Gift's reward anymore.

I just traded in a bunch of shit low level (18 and below) uniques and got Surgebinders.
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>>169013806
its like you dont know GGG

>why have proper trade system when poe.trade exist
>why have QoL options when people can use macros
>why have a proper way to filer loot, let people make their own loot scripts
>why have a tutorial, let people just go to reddit
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>>169013249
Rise of the Phoenix
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>>169013823
the end game map + trials are hard for me. i hate the fucking aura stones they have (applies bleed, can't use movement skills, no flasks, or whatever the fuck it is that they do)
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>>169014534
i hate them too, and i dislike the lab enough to never farm it

but i wouldnt call it hard. at worst if you brick a run by getting stranded in the middle of traps with no potion charges left, just log out
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>>169014128
That 3rd one is reasonable.
The next reasonable step is to let people reskin their HUD.
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>>169014714
you can already, with poesmoother
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>>169014876
>0.0001% chance of being banned every second I use it
No thanks.
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>>169015010
is there even anecdotal evidence of anyone being banned for it?

ive used it on my laptop to play with no weather and shit for months with no issues
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>>169014682
im not a logout scrub, i dont play hc to logout when i face danger.
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>>169012468
>Play RF character
>Can just indefinitely facetank any lab trap
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NOT! Are you fucking kidding me?! How in the hell does anyone play this on hardcore? That end skeleton motherfucker with his intestines shooting out and tickling me to insta-death. I fucking hate him and all the bosses leading up to him. All of them. Thank god you don't have to restart a boss fight when you die, or I would never have beaten normal mode. Sweet baby jesus, I cannot imagine cruel and merciless with the exp penalty.
My poor ranger brutalized over and over. I have to STOP TO SHOOT MALACHAI. I can survive for a few moments running and dodging on the 2x2 platform full of FIRE BOMBS AND SKELETONS AND LAVA EXPLOSIONS while that big son of a bitch tries to tickle me to death. I'm just not sure how to feel. Dominating mobs with ease, got my shit handed to me on the boss fight.
God bless you hardcore players. I need to go put some ice on my more sore areas.
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how does this build look poeg?

http://poeplanner.com/AAUAAOcSAABxm43OqAG873rnCgqbeOv8xbcXXPlkWjiW4l6A4e4OVvqq-KiiwdjTfn11_rq746OK-WOUuHsUBiMZ_hsB_sgV8AX5mybo1iLqsTDaZI9PtQhxocM6KjjndG1stUibtV-wykpvnoMJYENuPQOWOyiJa-x0IzFGcbQMytO-ipMnL50W8yY86roNfFfJKPq4kxzc6-4y0UVHwGat8RhdPO9o8q9sC2HGrsT2J-0ZLtlhVw3xrCku9qMVIC2DGbS-p2VNvTZHfoTZapNM_0MxwzNaGlT-veY2PVWFpctb9Hmhi5m5bwAAAAAA


pls be gentle
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its b8 don't bother looking
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I really hope you'd stop baiting with those shitty builds. I like to help but holy shit you are causing my increased physical damage
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>>169016489
you should just assume any poeplanner link is b8
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How about some funny video compilations?
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how about you shut the fuck up you fucking streambabby
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>throws a temper tantrum over a post on an anonymous video games imageboard
>has the gall to call anyone else a baby
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>>169018474
>>169016993
>>169016776
Upvoting these posts
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I don't even have Steam
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>>169016160
Your build gave me a stroke.
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I want to try to kill atziri for the first time in legacy. What's the cheapest atziri-viable build?
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pick any skill
if you can do yellow maps with it in less than 10 minutes, you can kill kill atziri ez
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>>169019779
>cheapest
EQ Juggernaut.
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>>169019779
Pretty much anything can kill her these days,the trio before her is what should worry you desu.
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whats better for bosses enfeeble or TEmp chains
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>>169020398
TC if you think you can stay out of their reach.
Enfeeble if you think you can't.
Ideally, both.
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>>169020185
Yeah, I know. I just got deleted by al alai and I'm salty as fuck about it.
>>169020138
Thanks senpai.
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Is it possible to get to high end maps without ever bothering to "trade" with other "people"?

How successful would it be?
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>>169020789
Yes. It's called Solo Self-found.
Not very, because you'll literally end up farming for gear until 80 in Dried Lake because you need capped resists to suitably map.
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>>169020789
It's very possible desu.I hate trading with others too.Heck,this league i didn't even have to trade maps to fill my atlas.
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>>169020789
if you dont plan to play 8+ hours every day dont bother
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going to bed

reminder to play ethical builds
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There is no ethical building under capitalism.
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>>169022030
haven't been to vg in 4 months, i missed this ethical build meme
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>>169021970
Well,with leagues being so long he can just take his time,no need to rush it (unless he cares about ladder pos or something).
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>>169020878

I only traded for a 6L this league. Breezed through the entire game quite easily. Masters helped a lot.
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>>169024534
>I only traded for a 6L this league
Not SSF.

How many challenges did you complete?
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Why does trading still revolve around "random" currency that only the richest players could possibly use or care about
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>Find out they added a SSF mode
>SSF doesn't give you increase droprates or anything like that so you are literally left sucking monster dick in fried lake till you rng hard enough to get geared for maps
wow
so this is the power of
an arpg
with korean tier droprates
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>>169025190
>chaos
>random
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>>169024915

19 by just playing through the content. My retention dropped after the first month though. Only now I'm starting to push for Shaper at level 88.
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You are free to try push alch-based trading, or wisdom scroll-based trading if you wish.
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I have no idea whats going on /poeg/

i think i made you angry for some reason

but which

I watched some video and some parts in the front are tingling

might be my inner shitposter
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>>169025345

Its a game mode meant to filter out shitters and retards

And it seems to be working already.
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>>169025345
>korean tier droprates
Korean tier droprates is an euphemism. I bet most people can count with the palm of their hands how many top tier uniques they've gotten after thousands of hours
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>>169025781

I got a Headhunter and vendored it because I didn't need that shit. There are already a lot of people playing SSF or barely trading.
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>>169025904
so you only needed 1 finger

sad
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>>169025781
1500 hours here on steam version (dont know how many on nonsteam)
Only """top tier""" unique i've gotten from my own drops was Searing Touch when it was 2ex and before it got unfairly nerfed into a useless level 66 item
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>>169025389
wow so viable
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>>169025510
fuck off retard you damn know well what I mean
>hurr durr exalts are worth bunch of chaos
>hurr durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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>>169026412
its all based on their perceived rarity and utility.

but its entirely possible to trade using other currencies if you can get someone else to agree to do it. Ive sold things for fuses and scours.
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>>169026669
"rare" "high end" currency should not only be useful in the event that you have hundreds of them.
That's shit game design and anyone that says otherwise is a cocksucking faggot
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>The Broken Crown
>Prophet Crown base
>Socketed Gems are supported by level 20 Cast on Death

>clearly a reference to islamist suicide bombers who die for Allah, the "Prophet"

How did GGG get away with this?
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ok i finished all 3 arcs now what do i do? i have access for the ascendancy trials but i get my shit pushed in. thank you in advance
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>>169027229
mudslimes are banned from newzealand
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>>169005659
Red flag only, some of us here are not casuals, despite what the inevitable influx of pre-league redditers might lead you to believe
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>>169027850

You can do better.
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poeurl.com/3IL

anything you'd change about this anons
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give details about build, goals and league or i'm not even opening that
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>>169027850
Get gear life and cap 75% resistance fire/cold/lightning
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>>169029223

just a slayer that i can map with comfortably

gonna be hc legacy
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>>169011150
no, let him rest
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>>169029127
aside from some minor hiccups like that +10 dex nodes instead of connecting with a +18 end charge duration or soul of steel for 5 points when you have no relevant armour to scale, that looks okay, I'd rather grab the 2-point jewel sockets and Indomitable because crit protection is more important than 2-3k armour and another end charge worth of PDR
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>>169027850
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Where it says that piety is a whore
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>>169014010
nigga you retarded
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that's r*ddit for you
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Piety must be protected above all else
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>Its revealed Piety travels back in time and is really the mother of Innocence and Sin

>You (the exile) are the father (if male).
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>>169031018
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>169029127
Switch to marauder. Drop duelist starter nodes, soul of steel, combat stamina, hematophagy and the dex/int nodes.
Pick up versatility, the combined mana/life leech node at the top of the duelist leech wheel, and the 2 point jewel sockets you path by.
You'll have 5 points left over so you can get hematophagy, combat stam or tireless.
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^this guy is fucking clueles and has never made it past level 80 in hardcore
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^This user has not even played Path of Exile and has pretended to do so for 3 years.
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>>169029127
Drop the Marauder start for another %Life node. Drop Soul of Steel for Rampart
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kinda retarded to drop duelist start if he is going for a specific ascendancy
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Slayer is the correct ascendancy, nothing a mara ascendancy gives you tops the increased aoe, permanent leech, mega cull and bleed immunity which are all ideal in breach/beyond/perandus and so on

now back to plebbit, idiot
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>>169031118
>>169031587

/poeg/ """"""""""""""advice"""""" everybody
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berserker is for warchiefs
slayer is for eq
jugg is for ???
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let us discuss SSFHC strategies and builds
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jugg is for clearing game on ezmodo and never die
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>>169032058
Juggallonaut is for Earthquack.
Slayer is for Tornado Shot.
Berserker is for Cast When Damage Taken Avatard of Fire.
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think of them yourself you fucking noob
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>>169032058
Juggernaut is for chin sol shrapnel shot.
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>everyone sleeping on Champion
>when he has a literal 30% more damage built-in in his ascendancy without the downside of being a shitty Berserker
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>>169032423
Damage is rarely a problem in Path of Double Dipping. A builds real test is how tanky it gets while still having enough damage.
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its 24% since youve a damage penalty if you taunt, but i guess redditors dont actually understand how that ascendancy works

and bserker still has better leech and warcry spam
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>Warcry spam
>When you'd have to forgeo 40% More damage or 100% Leech to attain that
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>champion needs to use 3 nodes to get 30% INCREASED damage taken on enemies
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>he thinks hes gonna leech on a blight ac build
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>>169032706
Champion's more well-rounded, and isn't forced to go VP like a Berserker is, it'll be interesting to see how GGG balances the class once they nuke VP in 3.0

>>169032831
>intimidated enemies take 10% increased damage
>enemies you taunt take 20% increased damage
a literal 30% more damage multiplier unless you start factoring in rare other sources like shock

there's no damage penalty to taunting, what are you talking about?
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>>169032831
>since youve a damage penalty if you taunt
are you retarded?
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witchfire brew or ele weakness is better than champion ascendancy for increasing damage taken by enemies
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when comparing ascendancy to ascendancy, it's a pretty good idea not to start including external factors like flasks because flasks can be used by everyone
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exactly, aspect of carnage is multiplicative with such increases while champ isn't
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>Being literally retarded
Modifiers to enemies are additive, but are applied based on damage dealt. AFTER your Inc/Reduc and More/Less mods.
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>damage is everything
logic of a shitcrow
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>Moving goalposts
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>>169033854
if you don't start including rare sources of increased damage taken on monster side, then 30% increased damage taken is equivalent to a 30% more damage multiplier to your damage, the same way shock would be a 50% more damage multiplier without other factors

what's so hard to understand?
the point is that 30% is consistent, a built-in ascendancy perk, while your flask or shock is not
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>30% increased is actually 30% more if you play these mental gymnastics. I win.
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>Hits taken deal 30% increased damage
>This is somehow not 30% more when it applies on top of all your other modifiers
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you realize you have to start thinking of specific scenarios to turn that 30% more into less when I already acknowledged their existence and also their impracticality

but okay let's just assume your vuln is permanent and your hits always shock, what ascendancy is that?
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SSF HC MOM VORTEX INQ
Damage with 2 lifesprig for reference (not counting jewels): 21k hit. 19k DoT

http://poeurl.com/3Jf


can it make it?
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>>169034659
>SSF
>2 Lifesprig
Have fun farming The Hermit.
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>building for lifesprigs
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>SSF autism
Not even clicking that
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>>169034724


used lifesrig because its equivalent to a self-found wand you'd get in normal
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>in act 3 you can have a 20% ele damage sceptre with 30-40 inc spell damage just using vendor recipe

>autists complain because a build takes into account a lifesprig
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>life inquisitor
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>Vortex
>Inquisitor
the memes just get danker and danker
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>>169035042
i was complaining because of the opposite, because theyre weak and dumb
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>lifesprigs
>weak
(You)
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>>169034659
why inquisitor over Elementalist? Vortex is not really a spammy spell so Instruments of Virtue is essentially wasted except to shield charge faster

I guess you could argue there's a bit of defensive bonus in Augury of Penitence and the mana regen on consecrated ground, but Elementalist gets more damage, ignite from Conflux and can actually use the saved points for that mana branch and Scion's mana jewel

Heart of Ice is pretty poor value for 8 points

either Purity of Flesh or Written in Blood is better than Tireless and saves 1 point
Sanctity is better than one 8% ele damage node

if you're going MoM, picking up that starting 20% mana regen 14 life and that 5% mana 5% life nodes would make sense

not seeing what the intended concept here was desu
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>>169036416
Doesn't really do much, nothing but terrible nodes back there.
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>>169035763

I plan to replace Heart of Ice with 2 jewels slots once i manage to rell/find 2 proper ones. But that may happen later on.

You're right about tireless and the starting nodes.

The concept is mainly having a cheap build that can survive up into red maps.MoM+SC40fy seem like an avenue into that, since vortex doesnt really need auras.
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>>169036604
Just noticed they moved Fatal Blade, so yeah.
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Master of Force and Flash Freeze are getting buffed for EK shadows and FP rangers, calling it now
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>>169036645
yeah but how is that better than Elementalist though, Vortex's spell damage applies to ignite and you get ignite from Conflux, normally you use things like Pyre or other options but SSF Elementalist just makes more sense to me because Vortex without ignites is kinda trash
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>>169036720
it's good maybe for Frost Blade or some other meme like that.
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>>169036416
the fuck is this?
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>>169037041
Teaser for a manifesto tomorrow. Pretty significant tree changes apparently.
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>>169036416
They also moved/removed Force of Nature.
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>>169036901
Its true that ele does more damage, but Augury of penitence is a pretty good keystone , and available very early on. In general, seems to me the extra defense can pay off.
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>>169036416
I wish they would stop balancing the tree according to that vocal minority on reddit and actually had the balls for major changes
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>>169037374
Get vocal then, crybaby faggot
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>>169037793
The collective of the forums has been vocal enough about weak parts of the tree and they also have all the data necessary
>>
if FB doesn't get "balanced", a self cast FB elementalist should be able to reach high red tier maps with relatively cheap gear right?
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>>169038025

wasnt the official GGG party line that "Life is better than ES so life nodes are just fine"?
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>>169038327
sure
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>>169038339
Yes.
>>169038327
Probably.
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>>169038393
>>169038486
good to hear, guess I'll use it as starter build to collect currency for meme builds
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>>169038339
Life vs ES is a complex issue, weak and shitty clusters being scattered across the tree is not, if you have any experience with the game, your trees for a given build were basically the same from 2.2 to 2.5
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Ranger Life Clusters just need to have their % bumped up by 1 to be in line with literally the rest of the tree.
Hell, Heart of Oak and its 2 other points are 8% total, whereas Mara/Templar/Shadow equivalents are 20%, Duelist is 18%.
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Would Kraityn's 10 all res normal reward actually be a legit option for SSF instead of Oak's 40 life? You lose some life obviously but it's not a big deal since you're playing a trash life build anyway, while +10 all res might help a lot with early gear pressure
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>>169039839
>Early gear pressure
Not even fucking close. You have defensive Auras for that shit.
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>>169039839

no.

if you must, spec passives with resist and use purity of elements but that normal bandit reward should be either life or the point
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>want to play legacy league
>Dont want to burn myself out before the big 10 act patch
fuck do I do until then
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Ill be the first to get level 100 SSF
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>>169040186
Legacy League starts soon. 3.0 is not until July.
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>>169040186
get a gf until 3.0
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whats ur build gonna be animeposter
>>
2.6.0 Is finally make Wild Strike Elementalist viable.

MARK MY FUCKING WORDS
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>>169040191

>ssf
>not hc ssf

a slightly less shitty crow is still a shitcrow
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>>169040859
>not Elemental Hit
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>>169041005

>steampunk char on a dark fantasy game
>>
guess you've missed the whole steampunk aspect of dominus' frankenstein experiments powered by the magic of lightning
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I just can't decide what to get for my second set of ascendancy points: the onslaught or the frenzy charge path. I have no skills that devour frenzy charges right now, nor do I have other sources of frenzy charges
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how dumb can you be
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>>169042084
Yeah realized I probably should have mentioned that it's a Physdam Raider.
Nop, i do not know the current meta surrounding onslaught and frenzy.
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!!!
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All my builds are shit, so warning before hand but this is a blade flurry build where I do a lightning warp out of range then start doing it so I can keep the channel but still move. Then back off a bit and reposition and repeat. Ranger and the top phys wheel are going to be last so ignore them. Is there anyway I can get better defenses? Im going to be shit core my computer cant handle hard core I DC too often because the internet sucks and I lag when boxes open. Again suck at making builds so any help is good.

http://poeplanner.com/AAUAAPcWAAB5sNii2cgU9W9qjBa_JpVh4lVLjDaJ03BSKgu00eLV7UF1_YRvyAy1SBGWBx6VLvDVSVGP-lxAVL0V7ZaL1bnDOpu1X7DKSlFMrEd9WypNPydKyG6qtfI1kti9_gryRTrh_o9N46ZXMZ4i6ujWmyYyAbIZz3ph63pTBbW0xWKsbIydqo2_1CMwcd2oS3g6QsLsUUfnVCT9_94wfI19I_ZNkkfiIuKkOZAbcFaaE9vU0NBHBth2uT6sZizhfeMtVRaqPdEFfdvnNj3rY9RCo4qxswxzlWYDh9N-AF4Zju2DCC6bjYSiB5lZ8EyOMjIQktmGvG8AAAAAAA==
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Ignoring the fact that this build is full retard and useless.

Which one is least useless? Dagger or Sword? 1-handed.
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>>169042557
>free frenzy charge generation
>each charge gives you 4% more damage, and increased attack and move speed
>when on max charges, the rest of the ascendancy gives you ele status immunity
>no dps drops from chill, never get frozen or shocked

vs

fixed inc attack/move speed bonus with nothing else
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>>169042563
Nice piece of shit you've got there
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>>169042794
They're both shit because passive clusters are moving and they won't function.
>>
So is the secret to making truly good builds just not self-casting things and putting those things on mines or traps or something instead of what
>>
depends. a few spells are fine self casted

but generally yes self casting is shit
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>>169043037
The follow-up on onslaught (increased chance to evade) kinda makes up for it though.
Question is: go all-out on offense or retain some defense
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>>169043508
as long as breach is a thing, nothing is better than being immune to chill and shock

you need both offense and defense
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>>169011531
Bump.
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>>169016160
It looks really awful, and i dont mean that in the /poeg/ is always mean way, i mean like its not good...
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>mfw Double Strike + Faster Attack Speed + Multistrike for the first time
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>>169045003
B-b-but /poeg/ told me melee is shit!
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>>169045238
You can get what, 60% reduced damage just with endurance charges and fortify? Add on resists and converting damage to lighting/cold and youre neigh invincible. After that armor works miracles.
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>>169045461
B-but life and armour are useless!!!
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>>169045581
This is just a facebreaker build, there are very few things that can handle this amount of dedication in passives and gear. Something like a reflect build using bramble jack or something. Back when punishment aura was actually good.
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>>169045461
>some gods' powers help against big, sudden hits
>suddenly evasion and dodge are worth something again
Right now it's amazing to just facetank a boss because you have >50% chance of evasion adn then another ~50% chance to dodge only to die to a single hit
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>>169045461
>ive never found a red map volatile
>ive never done dangerous map mods

keep dreaming
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>>169003012
>regenerate 100 life per second while moving
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>>169046020
>can't stop to pick up items
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>>169045238
>Cyclone
>Curse on hit
>Poacher's Mark
Enjoy
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>>169045959
>60% reduced phys damage
>30%-40% changed to lightning, 85% resists
>20% changed to cold, 85% resists
I dont see how this is bad. Hell you can get better then 85% no cant you? or did they change the flasks, just came back after a while.
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>>169046138
>stopping
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>>169046242
Chaos golem and soul of steel +other node push it to 70% doesnt it?
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>>169046242
How are you accomplishing all these phys to ele damage conversions
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>>169046229
>run into lightning thorns
>enjoy your respawn (i know you dont play hc)


>>169046242
unless you are an izaro farmer, phys damage actually the least of your problems in the current meta. try doing a tul breach on a well rolled red map to see what i mean

reflect outside reflect maps isnt an issue, and you cant run reflect maps that penalize your build period
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>>169046229
Fuck off shitcr*w
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>>169046648
Lightning coil+taste of hate. Not hard to get.
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>>169046657
>85% cold res
>hurrr try doing a tul breach
Thanks, I will.
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>enter cavern of wrath
>no waypoint
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>>169046779
meant esh actually, but still try doing a tul

not sure where you think you get 85% resist tho, unless you plan to have a flask for every element
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>>169047001
>Dying sun
>Taste of hate
>Vinktar
Not hard to get one of each
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>>169047083
if you are the point where you have op unique flasks, you are already invincible with any cookie cutter 10k es build as long as you have some decent dps

when you are scaling your regen with your damage, most things you mentioned become rather pointless other than having a basalt on and fortify
>>
What is the plugin that allows you to hover over an item ingame and get a rough price of it as a popup?
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>>169048174
the poe trade macro

its on reddit
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Is there a site that shows the changes to the passive tree over time? I haven't played in a year or so and would like to see changes to the tree.
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Selling PoE lessons to anyone who wants to be succesful.

BTC equivalent of $11/hour

Leave you email.
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Best bow build that has huge clearspeed ?

Tryna get some like crazy screen clear lightning arrow shit going on but I've never done it before so IDK how to figure out all the damage/items properly yet

Do you just take phys dmg everywhere and let the lightning arrow do it's thing or do you go full ele


I'm thinking opus + drillneck into slivertongue as deadeye, using LA with fork to proc all bonus of slivertongue and put out so much AoE it's crazy

dont give a shit about money wanna get a headhunter anyway
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>>169051185
[email protected]
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>>169051265

barrage emberwake+taming prolif w/reach
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Have to decide between jade and quartz flask, dunno what to get.
Are the 10% Chance to doge flat or 10% of my current chance to dodge?
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Actually fuck it. Not going ssf. Being limited to 3-4 skills unless [x] thing drops is just gonna make me stop playing sooner
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>>169052867
flat

consider that a well rolled jade is gonna give you like 6k eva (assuming you have no other eva bonus, and not counting dex bonus) and that alone is like 20% evasion chance at level 80
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>>169052867
Flat percentage.
If it were Increased/Reduced/More/Less chance to Dodge, it'd be based off your current Dodge chance.
>>
>havent played in 2 years
>they've barely added any fun spells

not looking forward to 3.0 to be honest
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>>169053663
b-b-but they're going to add LOTS of new uniques and spells! they haven't said how many, but still!
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>>169053663
you dont like earthquake anon?
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>>169053663
Glacial Cascade with Knockback is still fun as hell.
Even if it's pure shite due to having limited scaling potential.
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>>169053075
>used Alteration a few times
>"91% increased evasion rating during flask effect"
>from 5,5k eva to 17,9k
>from 53% chance to 73%
Noice.
Still wondering wether 10% spelldodge wouldn't have been better
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>>169054005
there are limited sources of spell damage in this game

better pop vaal grace when you find yourself doing breaches or map boss fights
>>
How would you feel if Eternal Orbs were droppable in Legacy league?
>>
Would attack skills that also scale with spell damage be op?

Like melee spellblade shit.
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>>169054546
>Also
Yes. There's a reason Crown of Eyes was totally gutted.
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>>169054546
You mean elemental damage?

lol
>>
Test.
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https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1836843
Relics
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>>169056753
>Throughout the game, it can drop
Interesting.
>Confirms Relics are guaranteed from the big chest
>Once inside, you'll find a large chest that contains a Relic
Nice.
>Divines let you keep the Foil, but update items to their modern stats
Fug.
>Unless it underwent a significant change, like a base alteration
Nice.
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>>169056753
Can't wait for them to release the list of relics.
Will legacy vinktar be on there?
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>>169057825
I'd prefer if they let players speculate and discover which are available on their own.
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>>169057825
There's never been anything quite as insanely powerful as release Vinktar.
It's also a gated unique item in that it only drops from a single source.
So probably not.
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Can this be the Grim Dawn general between leagues? It looks nice.
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>>169058427
Since the Diablo General can't even live between Seasons, feel free. It's basically /arpgg/.
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How did i MAKE a build though
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Is there a certain way to farm specific master's quests? Apart from running the locations after they appear first 100%?
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>>169058561
No this is reddit
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>>169058869
Yeah. Go to Global 820 and join up some Master Rotations.
In exchange for dealing with other people, you get to run your Daily and 5 other people's.
Ton of EXP.
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>>169058869
not unless you try buying/asking people who get the quest you want
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One of you guys suggested a fun build, firestorm CoC glacial hammer with dual nyctas lanterns, you picked inquisitor obviously right? And does it matter if it's life based or ES based?
>>
xD
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>>169056753
>those foil animations
>foil vinktars
>foil ToH
>foil rumi's
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>>169060380
Would foil rumi's be legacy or legacy legacy rumi's?
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>>169060380
no Foil Vinktars, they're a boss drop
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>>169060380
>Foil Vinktar's
I don't think they're stupid enough to reprint 2 uses with no additional charges, 30% of Lightning Damage Leeched as Life and Mana and Leech applies Instantly Flask again.
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>>169060682
see
>>169060615
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>>169060615
where do they say no boss drops?
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>>169060772
Nothing says they can't move drop tables around. Divination Cards can give you Atziri items.
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>>169060615
It's unlikely for that reason, but I don't think Legacy makes it into the core game anyway, so they might special case it.
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>kill a volatile rare on a no damage modifier map
>chunks me for 4k health even with capped res

how are you even supposed to deal with these while playing melee

if this was a +damage mod i'd be in standard right now
>>
>playing melee
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>>169060951
You aren't supposed to.
True Melee is dogshit for a reason.
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@169060772
@169060615
>wanting (You)s so hard you reply to yourself
You have literally no basis for your conjecture. Fuck off.
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https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgEA5FFnm11JJSd7jJd5OQ4JlpBVGjhZ86yqcqnE9saurj4t0p8-gpvsODrYJy_vfJ_fmjuRzrvt-OvqGPcyz352rBLhktBeE-9OYVKGYDpSDjwUce8OUEf-VA3NK1Aczq-nGJG8n1dUirOTqAUteu9AoKIA4XM=

Coming back from a very long break. Not really sure what I wanna build but I want to have endurance orb stacks in it. How does my planned build look?
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I assume there is, but, is there a distance range for exp gained from monsters killed in party play? I have never played this game in a party in the 4-5 years I've played because I have no friends, but my excessively overactive brain is keeping me awake and it won't let me sleep until I know this piece of information that has no effect upon me whatsoever, and I haven't seen anything on the wiki that specifically states whether or not there is but it seems obvious that there should be.
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>>169061626
~a screen and a half or so.
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>>169011150
he's stubborn but im pretty sure he will be back, even if only by 3.0.0
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>>169057443
>unless it underwent
>unless
that's not what it says. read again before you wrongfully use a divine in the future
>using a Divine Orb will only roll mods within its current range
>current
^is the keyword
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>>169061065
>playing
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https://www.twitch
tv/videos/123818111?t=02h06m27s
>paid races
jew wilson strikes again
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>>169063685
>implying you'd be invited to participate in anyone else's races besides the official poeg shitcrow 12 minute bursts
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>>169063685
Neat.
Here's hoping buyers can make them however the hell they want too.
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>>169033186
Can't taunt bosses that matter anymore. Completely worthless because you only need that 20% for those bosses. If it was 20% for intimidate it'd actually be a good class (outside of party play of course, but solo is meta anyways).
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There will never be a true SSF action rpg game ever
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I'm fucking done with listening to conventional wisdom.

People say don't spec resistances on the tree. People say don't spec damage because damage should come from items not the tree.

I don't care anymore. I'm going full glass cannon if I'm going to get walled it's going to be from dying too much not from lacking dps.

Everyone who says my build is garbage can eat a dick. I'm sure it is but I'm going to learn the hard way that I don't have 100000 dps in practice and I'm going to get one shot until i reroll.
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nobody says those things
you're just a retard
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>>169063685
its actually a neat idea, if it was affordable it could become a guild thing (if guilds were a thing)
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getting resists on tree is pretty bad though unless your gear is full of uniques and you have no other way to get capped
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>>169065548

resistances are inefficient and most damage clusters are extremely inefficient as well. but that doesnt mean "dont spec resistances and damage", because you will need to spec those

it means, grab resist stuff that is on the way somewhere or on hybrid keystones that also give you something else, and focus only on the most efficient damage nodes/clusters for your build. this could mean: grab only the best damage shit and as many jewels as you can afford, since jewels can have both resist and damage, etc
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>>169065548
You spec Resists on tree while Levelling or if it's for Red Nightmare. 14% block is pretty hefty.
You unspec Resists when you no longer need them and spend the points elsewhere. You use Resists to cap gear, Gems to cap damage. A little damage is fine and dandy, but there's no need to go for >3 major clusters unless it's utility-based or Crit.
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I'm not feeling like pushing for the demon wings mtx
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Isn't better to sell pale court set than do it? for dunno 30c or so. Considering I don't need reach
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>>169065863
Fuck you I'm going like 12 damage clusters and yes some of them are crit. Fuck life nodes reeeeeeeeeeee.
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>>169066268
Have fun getting obliterated.
>>169066239
Yes. Pale Court is pure garbage unless you're aiming for the Scepter for ED or Reach.
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its most likely youll find yourself still doing little damage, since all your problems come from not understanding how damage works in the game
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>>169066402
I'll only die if I get hit by the bullets. I've played Touhou before I'll be fine.
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>>169066546
Shame your hitbox is >1 pixel this time around.
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>>169066419
Now that path of building is a thing it's a lot easier for a retard like me to understand damage.

Is 100000 path of building dps actually meaningful? I will find out though experimentation.
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depends on the skill

for example: PoB says my fs miner has 15k dps but that for every fs hit, and my mine hits 88 times per cast with 55% inc aoe so most things get hit at least 10 times. etc
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>>169067009
The skill is frenzy. So yeah unlike fs mine the dps will be overstated but here's my thoughts. I think that 100k pob dps with frenzy should feel twice as damaging as 50k pob dps with frenzy. Basically what I'm saying is that it's fair to compare same skills.
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so

if my options are traveling a bit to get more % life nodes or just picking up endurance charges, which is more worthwhile
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>>169067832
Generally speaking, Life. You should be getting both tho. It's only 2 points for an Endurance Charge from Pathing nodes.
If you mean while levelling, go for the HP until you can suitably sustain Endurance Charges and you're in at least Merciless A3.
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>>169067832
endurance charges on tree are not worth unless you are a jugg imo. just pick the extra one from bandits if you need it and use a basalt
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>>169067937

i've got like 224% life and the only nodes left that I can path to are purity of flesh and tireless

>>169067962
so are they not worth it for a slayer?
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>>169068046
>224%
Then you're fine, go get them Endurances.
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>>169068046
>so are they not worth it for a slayer?

I wouldnt get one unless you absolutely had nothing else worth it to pick up. For 2 points you could grab a jewel if you have one near.
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most of these relics will probably be so rare that barely anyone will ever find them, and the people who do find good ones will be selling them for more than a mirror
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An extra endurance change won't let you tank something you couldn't tank before.

Extra life nodes will make you less likely to suddenly explode. If you're doing fine with your clears definitely get life.

If you're struggling with clears the issue is lack of leech probably. Best way to increase your leech is to increase your damage usually but not always.
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they'll have tiers
they aren't going ot make a big gimmick of the league more rare than a mirror
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>>169068386
they will for the first couple weeks
then drop the rarity
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path of exile
more like
poo of exile
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No idea what to do for next build. What offers the most fun and least pain in the ass to gear?:

A memebreaker build of some sort
A trap build
Or a tornado shot build.

On the flipside, suggest fun builds.
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Why don't facebreakers increase the damage of zombies?
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FUN IS A BUZZWORD
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poo on exile
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path of patch notes
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shitcore is 8-9x more people playing it but i bet GGG keeps the same droprates between SC and HC
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This game is just a shitty mix-mash of Roguelikes and baldur's gate inspired CRPGs

trash
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i want that foil aegis
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>>169069605

youd have saved a lot of letters just by saying "d2 clone"
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>>169069665
if it was a d2 clone it would be good
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i wonder why there's a reliquary
they don't mention there being mobs but why does it exist if there isn't
the key could just be an asshole divination card
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>>169069701
its a lot closer to d2 than to roguelikes or crpgs. there is a whole genre of d2-likes or clones or whatever you want to call it and poe is just another one of those. also you need to be at least 18 to use this website
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i'd suggest caution until someone verifies there isn't a rape machine in there before you get to the chest
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the only thing i'm excited for is the official SSF HC ladder

the league itself looks pretty terrible
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dont make me beat you up
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Hi, haven't played in months. Is this game still path of poison+blade flurry/vortex?
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pretty much
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flurry sucks until you get decent gear
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bros rate my build

http://poeplanner.com/AAUAAPsAAAB7vryC5JARiq9KyG6qtfJ4DcAaqW55aMEEjr8bRcbYPycqTQDuLOkVIPaj73oBvM6om4134wHcn6Onn7kdLYMZtMKO-KGbLX1brEdRTMpKX7CbtcM6JIsPq7MOIcCw2DWS2L3-Crc-g8w8LcauC2GvbIrkm-xPBEGH-eiCxyj6uJMc3OvufIMRLY6-ksHfsG-egwlGcbQMytO-ipMnbAsi9H3SVK7fijLRRUdrrDdH-d1TNVBCPL0sRkV8GYqXBvkz5-qv664-Z5tdSSUne4xaUqiam13ylwhnkzoYPL0nt9bbWS2osZDqug18V8k3g6brLKY0CjdmAAAAAAA=

any recommendations?
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>>169009203
That's a good thing actually. Gear is not the goal, killing new bosses and clearing new areas is. Gear is just a tool for that.
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What was the golden age of PoE? Where tons of different builds existed for lots of different skills?
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>new player here
>returning player here
>bros
>rate my build
>poop planner

they aren't even trying to be subtle anymore
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Does headhunter synergize with FB totems? I plan to push the ladder in SSF and get HH.
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There is absolute zero synergy between FB and HH, the most useful thing you get is a haste aura, HH is a pretty garbage prestige unique unless you actually deal phys damage one way or the other
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here's a FREE build for SSF HC

poeurl.com/3Mf

hierophant MoM firestorm

run warlords mark + blasphemy

run firestorm + echo + faster casting + fire pen in your helm, until you get a 6l

this build will easily get you into red maps

it's beefy as fuck and hard to die with
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>>169073602
Ascendancy, 2.2.

We literally had people making different builds in mspaint.
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I rather play with fucking glacial hammer then use firestorm ever again
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returning player here do you still need to click on things to pick them up?
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Let's play a game, Predict a Cluster that's been moved that we don't already know about. I think they moved Disemboweling
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>>169069605
>see a game you've never heard of before
>look at a few screenshots
>"isometric huh. baldur's gate is an isometric game that i'm vaguely aware of. time to impress these guys with my vidya knowledge"
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>>169074003
>this build will easily get you into red maps
the fastest way to get to red maps in SSF league is to run map with high pack size and more often than not retarded mods once you start vaaling them because you cannot bypass natural progression with trading

your build can't run either hexproof or ele reflect which puts it at a distinct disadvantage compared to say, flameblast totems which runs everything

>lol I'll just reroll maps
costs your 1c or 1scour+alch every time, if you need to do it on average twice for say every 5 maps, then you're 4c less efficient per 10 maps, you also won't be able to vaal high yellows/reds in fear of "bricking" it

>dude MoM lmao
hierophant offers no end game scaling, you're basically maximizing for dried lake to 80, good job
using your default curse slot for warlord's mark is bad because it means you cannot use enfeeble instead, a vastly superior choice in hardcore

verdict: shitcore build from a shitcrow, will get to dried lake then opt out back to its babby trading league
didn't ziggyd use to recommend a hierophant firestorm build as well? maybe you should join his league and leave the elite one to elite players
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Making a facebreaker character.

Ranger or Duelist?
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Witch
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>>169074717
Raider maybe if you do a silly shield charge build.
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>>169074648
win a demi before you speak to me
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you're 10 years too early for SSFHC catshitter
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I have 2 ssfhc demis shitter
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i have and i don't want to speak to you
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show me your memephant memestorm ssfhc demi or go feed on fish shit
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reminder that you must win a HC demi before voicing your opinions
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EK trapper will the definite meta build in 2.6

scribble my fucking runes
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>trapper

the problem is

you NEED clever construction

and you also NEED chain reaction

there is no other way to play a trapper

but that's not even the biggest problem

you have to go shadow

which means you can't get enough defenses unless you go CI, but you won't be able to go CI easily in SSF HC and SSF HC is all that matters

unless you actually think you can survive HC with only 5.5k life and no armor, block, leech, or any other form of defense, then go ahead and play your shitty glass cannon trapper build

also EK is garbage
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why

do

you

talk

like

some

asthmatic

retard

?
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reminder that you should leave this general if you don't intend to play hcssf in 2.6
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>>169076928
SSF is hipster tier faggot. The real players will be flipping while you struggle to cap your resists
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>>169061593
Anyone? I'm not sure if "take all the life nodes" is still the best build in the game
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>>169076928
Nah, I'm going to make a good character.
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>>169077338
Your build doesn't load for some reason and more importantly the best build is currently take the big ES nodes + CI and have infinitely more survivability then life while also having plenty to invest in offense.
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How do people change their entire build so easily?
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>>169077147
anything but SSF is for trash casual reddit tier shitters like you
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>>169077498
try this one
https://www.poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgEA5FFnm11JJSd7jJd5OQ4JlpBVGjhZ86yqcqnE9saurj4t0p8-gpvsODrYJy_vfJ_fmjuRzrvt-OvqGPcyz352rBLhktBeE-9OYVKGYDpSDjwUce8OUEf-VA3NK1Aczq-nGJG8n1dUirOTqAUteu9AoKIA4XM=

Right now, I'm just trying to get back in the game using a fresh character in this new league so I dont really have anything in the orbs/currency department. I'm just assuming life builds would be the cheapest to play
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>>169077546
I think they spend currency buying passive respec points.

Or just wait for large patches to grant you full respec for free.
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>Still 9 days till the league starts
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>wait eternity for new league
>die second day
>ragequit
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Can someone link me or tell me what the new freezing pulse jewel is? What are the modifiers?
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Check the site news for the announcement of the league.
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>>169078307
Why do you play hardcore if you can't accept the possibility of failure?
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>>169078457
i never die

my highly evolved cerebral cortex allows me to see 5 seconds into the future
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possibly the worst quads in the history of 4chan
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how do you play if you're always looking five seconds into the future
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>>169080129
with one eye he looks into the future

with the other he looks at the present
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>>169080426
that's impossible
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>>169080426
So he's a Xatu?
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Fuck /poeg/ the front of my head hurts and i have tinnitus

Also are they changing the tree for 2.6?
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>>169080629
>Fuck /poeg/
forgot the ,
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>>169080629
>Also are they changing the tree for 2.6?
yes
manifesto today
patch notes in a week

there won't be game changing changes but it should shift the meta a bit, they said they wanted to try the first batch of new changes in 2.6 with 3.0 being the bulk of rework of keystones/ascendancies
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>>169080773
can't wait for defenses not being useless and vaal pact nerf
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>>169081062
won't happen until 3.0 and the pantheon system

seems MoM and the lower part of the tree is getting some love at the very least
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can't wait to do one 3.0 runthrough and quit the game for good
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>2017
>2.6
>not playing SSF HC
>not going hiero MoM
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>>169003012
can any of you rich cunts give me a bunch of fusings or buy me a 5l queen of the forest
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why would you beg and not even say what league you play in
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>>169081150
but 3.0 will literally save the arpg genre and usher a new golden age of poe with unpredecented balance

blizzard btfo again
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breach mate
this game is so hard to log into, it just locks up all the time
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>>169081221
>SSFHC
>MoM

>when you can reserve your mana for AA, purity of elements, grace, haste or vitality
guess you hate layered defenses
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good changes: interesting gameplay changes like boss fights and mob ai reworks
boring changes: spend 90 minutes discovering how to optimize your character again
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>>169081528
>doing ground slam marauder because its the last ezpz build I remember before quitting this game
>mfw I get a sunder gem
Whats the point of ground slam when sunder exists?
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try earthquake animebro
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>>169081646
inherent stun threshold penetration
but if we're being real ground slam is kinda garbage rn
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where do i go from here
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should've started spider, bro
the rock is the worst class
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>>169082165
there are actually some nodes in the tree that can increase your damage
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>>169082165
They are going to change the tree why do you are you bothering?
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you might notice that screenshot is from the literal game that he is playing
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he's playing a class from the bottom left part of the tree

obviously a new player
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my head still hurts i wonder how to fix it

also

>tfw It still 365 days till the league starts
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Is this game even worth playing if youre not going to spend hundreds of IRL dollars on it?
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The game is completely free and will never be "pay to win".
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>>169082840
it started to hurt yesterday

>>169082864
I think you only need 1 premiun stash tab for trading
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you won't spend hundreds unless you buy cosmetic shit
not sure i'd recommend anyone play this game though
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>>169082165
back to the "good build" drawing board
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chew on a raw onion, it helps me when my head hurts
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>>169082910
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>>169081406
implying you need layered defenses when you have 10k EHP
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remember to farm merc crab for alchemy cards in SSFHC
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who will be the poshybird of poe
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>>169083037
how would that solve anything?
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>>169083310
MoM is a complete noob trap for anything but life BV Berserker, nothing you can from some extra buffer is worth losing AA and another aura/blasphemy, and it does nothing against degen

not sure if you're trolling or just still that ignorant after all those years
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try chewing on some botulinum toxin to cure your headache
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Played this game 3 years ago and quit and now I came back. I was following a wand barrage coc build but I found my points reset so I just picked a cyclone coc build on the forums and now I'm following that. I've been joining public map parties and just leeching exp/items for chaos orb recipes but I see dudes with bows blowing shit up with these ricocheting shots while I get my ass oneshot because I have to get in melee range. I mean I guess my gear is trash but is coc still good or should I make a new character?
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Try staying away from any kind of screen (tv,pc,phone) for a couple of hours,maybe take a nap,that should help desu.
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>>169083638
>Google that
woa nature is scary
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>>169083614
MoM is the goat damage mitigation my dude

the only way to efficiently reserve mana while using MoM is to go EB, and the only way to efficiently go EB is to go GR, and the only way to efficiently go EB GR is to go hybrid, and hybrid builds are vulnerable to chaos damage, and chaos damage is everywhere these days

good luck getting good hybrid gear with chaos resist in SSF HC
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>>169083782
Still wonder how i got it what did i do? I can't think of anything
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>>169083754
CoC has gone under massive changes, it can still work but you have to understand how the new mechanic functions and build around that, maybe try to inform yourself on your build mechanic before jumping into copypasting a guide

short answer is that yes, it can still work, but it's typically restricted to CoC melee with a vagan dagger on a budget or Cospri's Malice if you're rich

stick to simpler builds if you're poor and relearning the game
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>>169080000
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>>169083876
I don't understand mom meme it essentially adds to your life pool , isn't it better to jut go raw ES? Whats the difference between 300 mana nad 300 ES?
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>>169083945
>maybe try to inform yourself on your build mechanic before jumping into copypasting a guide
Well I can't know what I don't know.

>stick to simpler builds
Such as?
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>>169083876
at no point in your incoherent rambling did you explain why MoM is a good idea versus just reserving your mana with all the auras you can and leaving 10% for casting

MoM is only good in the very niche case of something like poison BV Berserker since you get built-in dual sustain and you need nothing besides leech to be as tanky as CI

AA is extremely good, so is blasphemy enfeeble, the alternative you suggest, nothing and blasphemy warlord's mark is complete dogshit in comparison
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>>169084117
hierophant with divine guidance, legacy cloak, corrupted aylardex with damage taken gained as mana + 8 power charges is over 60% reduced damage taken
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>>169083925
Well,the last time i got a bug headache was after spending too much time on my phone browsing (since pc was unavailable). Sometimes the prolonged exposure can cause headaches (especially if you sit too close/focus too much on the screen),that's why i started taking small breaks ever since.

Of course,your headache could be from something else entirely but this is /poeg/ so i expect people being stuck in front of their monitors 24/7 .
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>>169084139
literally anything else, pick a build archetype then pick a gem that fits then an ascendancy that sounds interesting

CoC builds are just too complicated to maximize right now if you're poor and don't know what you're doing
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>He plays HC +/- SSF
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>>169084169
>AA is extremely good
I miss old AA and huge mana pool builds desu.
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>>169084253
Yeah but mana is not infinite if you get hit by a shiton of damage it goes to 0 meaning you don't reduce the next hit so whats the difference between extra ES +lifeleech and just mana
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>>169084169
you can run blasphemy + warlords + AA and still have ~1000 unreserved mana

berserker only makes sense for the dual leech so you won't have to run warlords, but then you'd give up the 10% extra MoM and tons of ES/mana
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>>169084396
the idea is that you benefit from dual sustain if you have moderate mana regen and dual leech like warlord's mark, but in reality it doesn't work as well as just having a massive life or es pool

>>169084404
>you can run blasphemy + warlords + AA and still have ~1000 unreserved mana
how does 60% mana reservation leave you with 1k unreserved mana? even with Sovereignty, you're looking at 1000/(1-0.60*(1-0.14)) = 2k mana pool

and you still forego your enfeeble on a 1 curse baseline, which is retarded in hardcore
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>>169080071
you mean some of the best
praise KEK
>>
you have to go back
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>>169084716
>the idea is that you benefit from dual sustain
Getting a bunch of life regen with Zealot oath if ES wouldn't be enough if not better? % of 10k beats whatever you can get from MoM
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>>169077147
>while you struggle to cap your resists
Wasn't there discussion earlier about how resist nodes are actually a useful temporary leveling tool and only redditors think they should be universally avoided.
>>
EB MOM ZO
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>>169085129
Sure, the argument was in the context of SSF with limited resources which makes going CI less of a trivial decision, I was arguing that life + auras is better than life MoM + unreserved mana
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>>169084297
Well apparently I have a legacy meginord's girdle, how much could I sell this for? Although I'm guessing with the new league coming up this wouldn't be an easy thing to sell
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>>169085324
Well in SSF getting enough gear and spare points for MOM wouldn't it be way harder?
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Why can't you just use chaos to only reroll 1 afix at a time?
>>
Are you retarded?
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>>169082339
ya but thats the point
its a blank slate atm i could go ele or phys
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Am I doing my math wrong, or is the new Tidebreaker mace absolutely insane? As in, it's like 750+ pDPS?
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>>169086926
10% increased phys per ec is local, not global

it looks really good for perma stun perma ecs builds but also kinda limiting otherwise
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>>169041262
If you think PoE is dark fantasy you're retarded.
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I started playing like 3 weeks ago hardcore and Im just now in tier 10 maps and have yet to complete the uber lab so Im definitely switching to sc for the next league because I want to actually see the end game in some reasonable time-frame.
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>3 weeks to reach t10
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Howa, vaal pact, spectral throw

y/y
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what do i do with a cospris malice
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>>169087076
I think you have it reversed, the phys per ec is global not local. Local would have made it insane
>>
use it to cast vortex
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>>169087437
yeah that's what I meant
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>>169087243
Im guessing that skilled players get there within days?

I dunno maybe I should just play HC its so much more rewarding even if you must play at a glacial pace
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>>169087130
https://www.pathofexile.com/game
>Path of Exile is an online Action RPG set in the dark fantasy world of Wraeclast.

Please proceed to pedantically explain why they're wrong about their own fiction, though.
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>glacial pace
the players in the HC ladder are always higher level than SC
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>>169087439
what class
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>>169087809
probably because "dark fantasy" is shorter and straighter to the point than "dark fantasy with various anachronistic and genre merging elements"
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>>169087810
yeah except for the ones that die which is like half of them
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When is it worth running a support build? Ill be playing with two newbs when the league comes out so i was wondering if its worth it or just running damage
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>>169087734
>not killing shaper on day 2
i don't know what to say besides git gud
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even with most of the players dying off, the first 100 is always in HC
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>>169088304
* except in Breach
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flicker strike with mirrored dagger in standard while i wait for the new league?
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>>169088247
>supporting newbs
play something that carries hard
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>>169088247
a necrobot carries a 6-man party while also not being completely useless solo like a guardian
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>>169088406
Yeah i was thinking of that as well, probably for the best to get them into learning the game.

>>169088556
Ill take a look at that
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>Some one reddit is going to do a give away while I am at work
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>>169089323
>browsing Reddit
>participating in giveaways
>working
Utterly disgusting desu.
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>>169089786
Sorry.
Not everybody is lucky to be born in a First World country to collect NEET buck
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>watch raiz races to level 70 in 6 hours
>it takes me 9 hours to reach dried lake with leveling gear
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>>169084716
it's easy to get 2k mana
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"feed souls to the relic" with minutes of nothing but long ranged mobs is the worst bullshit
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>not using vaal cyclone
hah
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>>169091246
keep a srs gem in your inventory, cast 20 srs, unsocket gems = 20 souls
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>>169090864
>mfw i always end up doing every single sidequest while leveling cause autisms
I can suppress the urge to clear the Fetid pool for example during races ,but fuck me i just can't leave those areas.
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so among league mechanics breach is a 10/10 right
>>
Beyond in 10/10

Breach is 8/10, too build restrictive if you don't have AoE or sustain and no control over what you get
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The great debate
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who are those sluts
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>>169092112
beyond got so fucking old. it's much better as a map mod than an omnipresent thing
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stop posting traps here, thanks
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>>169092262
be more respectful, cunt
>>
beyond is overhyped
if you have a good build you don't even notice the spawns because they die instantly
still good for xp though
>>
who are those promiscuous nymphs
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>>169092112
>>169092297
>>169092460
Beyond was the best when reflect auras were a thing,so many tears.
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who else /top 10 SSF HC/ here
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>>169093364
>who else /top10autism/ here
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>>169093364
I'd be happy with top 100
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Just got 40/40 on sc breach, I will switch to hc next league and will brag about my meaty big totem
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40/40 in anything but SSFHC is invalid
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>>169093771
this
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>>169081241

I'll give you 3 fuse never to post again.
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>>169093879
> ProjectPT is now a faggot who plays WoW on pirate servers
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>>169090864
>>169091648
Takes me usually 10-12 hours to get to max.

The thing that is the most time consuming is getting 75/75/75 resistances going into merciless. Always end up refunding a good deal of passive points I dumped into resistances.
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>>169081241
sent ;^)
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I can totally afford a shavronne's wrappings with my leftover currency from this league
Should I do it? For shenanigans in standard inbetween leagues
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lads if I get that Jorrhast's Blacksteel and summon a few weps right, do they disappear when I switch weapons?

I'm guessing the duration remains but I'm not sure about the extra copies.
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>>169096001
You must be pretty poor to think that's a big ticket item.
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Vaal Pact is moving to where Disemboweling is on the tree.
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>>169096154
I spent a considerable amount of currency linking stuff just because, and in other items to fuck around in standard during this league
I expected it to be expensive seeing as it's so popular, but I checked poe.trade and it's actually quite accessible so I decided why not?
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>>169094725
Over 300 people will go buildless this league due to GGG's actions.
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>>169096497
I used to do that too when I was new to the game. "I'll bring this to standard and make something with it!" I wouldn't really waste your time. Bring stuff to standard that's valuable in standard. Mirrors, HH, 900+ es vaal regalias and other sick loots you can scam off of redditors that don't know the value of items and have their sell tabs burning a hole in their brain when shit doesn't sell in 10 seconds. Shavs is cheap as shit though so go for it.
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>>169096117
Shouldn't, unless your animate weapon gem is on Blacksteel.
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>still 9 days till the league starts
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>>169096497
>>169096794
Alternatively,don't bother with standard at all.
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>>169096919
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>>169097116
The reason you bring valuable items that you can resell back to standard is so you can sell them and RMT the currency.
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>>169097116
Ok I have considered these arguments but before I give a ruling first tell me what does Zizaran do?
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>>169097479
with that gay voice probably suck dick
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>>169096991
There are other games to fill the void. Thousands of older games if you don't give a shit about new releases too.
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>>169096496
That doesn't sound so bad.
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>>169097910
I played most relevant old games and new releases are shit

I could try to play wow but that would be fill the same slot poe fills so i might get burned out before the league even starts

Why did vydia have to go to shit?
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>>169098163
>new releases are shit
Or you just became a jaded autist. There are plenty of new, enjoyable games.
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Is there a trick to lacerate I'm not understanding? I run cyclone but then swapped with lacerate and tooltip dps went down considerably
inb4
>tooltip dps
Clearspeed went down considerably
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>>169098386
like?
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Should I bother with HC if I have to work 50 hours a week, played it in the past but now I have way less free time. Never killed shaper but I would like to
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elite HC players can level to maps in <6 hours
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assuming the servers don't shit themselves
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>>169099197
If you just want to get a shaper kill? play standard, literally takes no effort to get a couple million dps and suicide it.
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>>169099553
they're in groups and split up objectives and runner's rely on teammates to carry them past bosses they could never kill while so under-leveled and they abuse player 1 hp locking and half of them end up dying anyway
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>>169099981
still, 9 hours is average
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What is the best build? Obviously there are a lot of good ones but which one is the best?
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glacial hammer ci marauder
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the "best" build depends on how ethical you are
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>600k unreflectable dps that isnt reliant on double dipping
>12k hp, 9 endurance charges, fortify, pure defensive auras

Can't wait to see how the changes make my future-proof build better :^)
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memeblade
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>>169100834
Occultist with Cospri's Will, Uul'Netol's Embrace, and four curses loaded into a Heretic's Veil. It's both satisfying and hilarious to see all those corpses exploding while Bone Novae are going off all over the place.
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>>169099981
>1 hp locking
Whats this?

>>169099173
>Still no answer
as i said vidya is daed
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so when can we expect the manifesto today
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in 2-10 hours
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>>169102745
Whats the manifesto anyways? Its not patch notes isn't it?
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They will talk about tree changes, also they said that vaal pact will be changed in 2.6

Maybe es nerf/life buff who knows
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>getting hyped to play flameblast or bladeflurry again, playing path of AoE

what the fuck is wrong with you
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This is the most caustic general I've ever seen.
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>>169102745
>waiting 8 hours for random spawn
Fuck Baium desu.
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>>169103263
>again
I always wait until a skill gets its first nerf before playing with it so it'll be my 1st time going BF.
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meme flurry got nerfed already
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meme flurry will be nerfed, right know you have 100% chance to hit without any acc
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>>169096496
[citation needed]
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what are some ethical builds
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fork burning arrow champion
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is this game fun if I RMT the best items?
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>>169051265
death opus burning arrow
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>>169058356
I have to agree. Legacy kaoms is pretty fucking good. Legacy vinktar is just unfathomably good. It gave Vaal pact+up to FOUR uses+30% leech. Having 100% uptime on that is easy even as something other than pathfinder.
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What would you even use Legacy Kaom's for now days?
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>>169105498
Explosive Arrow Juggernaut.
Any life-based build that wields a 2-h weapon and isn't socket starved.
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Uhhhhhh poetards???
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>>169105006
If getting banned is something you enjoy, I guess so
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Is this it?

Is it over for poeg and HC?

member beyond? member 99% of us being HC?

What happened?
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"Ethical builds" refer to builds that reject the idea of abusing whatever exploitable mechanics that are unfair by nature and expected to be nerfed/removed by GGG in 3.0, including double-dipping and CI+VP Vinktartanking, in order to progress.

Example of ethical builds: a traditional summoner Necromancer, an Essence Drain Scion, a Righteous Fire Chieftain. Those builds rely on simple, effective concepts that are not reliant on double-dipping or instant leech.

Example of unethical builds: an ignite Flameblast Elementalist, poison BV Pathfinder, Blade Flurry Assassin.
Those builds rely on unethical double-dipped damage, or trivialize game content through instant leech abuse.

The choice of using ethical or unethical builds is up to personal choice (very much like the choice of good or evil in real life), self-respecting players will use ethical builds, while honorless power-craving "players" are quick to jump from fotm build to fotm unethical build, as long as their personal advancement is ensured without regards for game balance.

Hope that cleared things up.
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>>169105854
it got to 80+ votes im surprised
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>>169105854
poeg has been for the vast majority a shitcore general for many years now, only a handful of non casual players remain
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essence drain needs double dipping for single target damage
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>>169105961
shit bootlickers say
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best ed builds don't use poison for single target
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>>169105725
A4 and everything that came after it (including the comics) shit on all the previous lore in terms of consistency

they really would have needed a script supervisor but TINY INDIE DEV and all
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Will fall of oriath make HC fun again?

The main problem I had with HC is leveling was boring as fuck.
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This is fucking brilliant
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>>169106754
Of course it will, shitters will be BTFO and the progression curve will be much smoother now that you don't jump from cruel Malachai to merc Hillock
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>>169106754
That was my biggest problem until I actually trained in race season and getting to merc dried lake became easy and fun
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>>169105854
people grow up
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What is the best blade vortex ranger build?
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Reminder that 90% hc players will beg for a carry first day of 3.0
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>>169107075
pathfinder
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>>169105961
>honorless power-craving "players" are quick to jump from fotm build to fotm unethical build, as long as their personal advancement is ensured without regards for game balance.


so "ethical builds" is just an euphemism for "honorable virtue signalling roleplay"?

gay
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>>169107075
deadeye
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>>169105854
I switched to SC in Essence and have zero regrets.
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>>169107106
I see, are there best build by a specific person you can think of?
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>>169105854
HC is more fun, but I barely play enough POE to bother. The worst part of the game is leveling to maps by a huge margin. Why would I play a mode that makes me do more of that?
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>>169107183
yes
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>>169105848
They don't ban for RMT in this game.
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>The worst part of the game is leveling to maps by a huge margin

only if you're grandma-tier slow
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>>169107454
read the ToS
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>>169107087
Is that remilia's spellcard in the background?
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>>169107521
Irrelevant if they never enforce it. Same with ToS breaking macros, map hacks and bots. They only ban the streamers that get caught.
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recommend me a game to play till 2.6
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>>169107132
At no point in my post did I mention roleplaying. RP is worth as much as a rat's fart to most players, game balance affects everyone who plays the game. The issue with unethical builds being played by unethical players is that taking power that people have grown accustomed to is remarkably difficult for GGG.

We've seen it time and time again, it took great time and effort to make people accept that casting 20 spells a second was not acceptable after GGG finally pulled the plug for unethical CoC builds. Once the unethical beast of unlimited CoC casting was removed, spells like Fireball or Ice Spear started being balanceable again. The same things will happen once the unethical cancers of double-dipping and CI VP are removed.

Having blatant imbalanced builds in the game limit its scope and the design space, because any content has to account for both ethical builds which are represented by 90% of skill gems and unethical builds which are represented by only a handful of mechanics abused by a handful of immoral opportunists.

Using unethical builds is akin to pissing in the swimming pool, you won't get caught for it, there's no real consequences as far as you're concerned, but you've just made the water full of piss for everyone else.
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>GGG banning cheaters

literally lolroflmao'ing out loud right now

>banning paying customers
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>>169108015
le obligatory Hollow Kngith shill reply
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>>169108015
any Bioware rpg that predates KoToR
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>>169108080
I just really like the game.
Go back to /v/, anti-shillfag.
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anyone wanna practice SSFHC together?
I'll be necro support
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>>169108739
>p-please buy my game
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>>169108784
S stands for SOLO
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it just occurred to me that SSF HC is essentially a real life simulator
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>>169108784
im in

>>169108896
I raised myself from birth.
My parents didn't exist.
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raiz is practicing a level 70 SSF under 6h run

https://www.twitch
.tv/raizqt

take notes if you wanna git gud, shitters
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>>169108785
Pirate it if you want. I just like Metroidvanias.

But seriously, crying "shill!" is garbage that should stay on /v/.
>>/v/
Now shoo.
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Hello I'm a noob.

Could i buy a grace gem from someone for an alch? The fucks on poe.trade don't respond.
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>>169109092
>Google it
>It looks like a flash game
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>>169109404
we don't run a fucking daycare here
flip off
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>>169109404
This is standard league fyi.
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>>169108036
Except your """""""unethical builds""""" utilize core parts of the game that work exactly has intended, so your distinction between "ethics" and "unethical" is a false dichotomy except of course for obvious and blatant bugs that for some reason GGG has never bothered to fully fix (bv multi-gen exploit). And even then it can be said if GGG doesn't care to fix that, why should we care to avoid it?

Unless you are inventing a new set of rules about an idealized modus operandi an """""ethical player"""" follows and conforms to, and that is roleplaying because those restrictions are the result of a fuzzy ideology of game balance that is completely foreign to actual in-game elements.
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>>169109463
One chaos?
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>>169109423
in the sense that anything with a clean animated art style looks like a flash game i guess
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>>169109653
this. there's no such thing as unethical builds.
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have you ever wanted to talk about something but theres no one to listen

thats literally this game potential
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>>169098163
play Marvel Heroes 2016, reach endgame in a month and never play again ;^)
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>>169109653
Of course it's not a strictly defined ideology to adhere to, it just depends on your perspective like I said in my first post. What is considered unethical for me might not be unethical for you.

For some people like you, anything goes as long as it's allowed, for others like me, things that are allowed or possible but devalue the sense of accomplishment you get from beating the game on what is deemed a fair basis are simply ignored. I refuse to use CI+VP builds because I view the idea as facetanking immense damage and turning overwhelming damage into overwhelming defense as cheap.

It is worth noting that for the cases of DDing and CI+VP, GGG's official stance is that those are problematic when it comes to overall balance, they just haven't had the time to properly remove them just yet.

Is it intended for some skills or mechanics to have linear scaling, while others have exponential scaling in a game that relies on overall balance to be enjoyable to most? Was it intended for CoC to have 20 times the power of self-casting? Your issue seems to stem from the inability to differentiate what is possible within the current state of the game, and what is desirable or healthy for the game. Of course, a non-concern for "it's all about me" players, otherwise referred as unethical players.
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>>169110327
>Its a fremium ARPG
ill pass
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>implying poe isn't freemium
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>>169110671
Marvel charges for content its different

>tfw no real diablo 3

I still don't know what i should play in the meanwhile
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>>169110781
>>169108619
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>>169105961
Is HoWaA unethical?
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>>169111158
The only RPGs from bioware pre Kotor are jade empire and both BGs all which i played already

I think i played all important games that have come out , only exception are 4xs and grand strategy i can't stomach them
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>>169111328
Yes, since it relies on
>CI+VP Vinktartanking.

Damage or defense should always have a tradeoff. With CI+VP, damage becomes defense, which is unfair, imbalanced, and unethical.
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>>169111328
Exceedingly
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is our guy pt coming back for 2.6?
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pt is a annoying fake tough guy and a retard, he's NOT our guy
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who's our guy
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>>169110452

Whatever sense of accomplishment you get from killing dumb ai mobs in the least efficient way possible, you have to at least be self-aware enough to realize that such reasoning runs in direct opposition to the correct way to play arpgs -because there is one-, which is: kill as much shit as quickly as possible.

Whatever your questions about game design are; playing the game in a way you wish it was designed versus playing the game in the way it is designed right now, is roleplaying, and RPing in PoE is a shitty meme.

I've also decided no one can be this dumb and you must be b8ing me. Good job.
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pt is an autistic shitter who is garbage at the game
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i don't know, but solaris and lunaris are /ourgirls/
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our guys:
havoc (semi-retired)
etup (semi-retired)
bob (retired)
hans (retired)
alkaizer
kripp (retired)
hegemony

our girls:
esk
pressstarttopaws

reddit's guys:
mathil
ziggyd
raiz
projectpt (ragequit)
zeno (retired)
nugiyen (retired)

autists:
steelmage
mors (semi-retired)
ghudda (semi-retired)
bakedchicken (retired)
zizaran

irrelevant trash:
everyone not mentioned
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r*ddit always steals our guys...
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>>169112169
What about Baked's babyboy?
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>>169112169
>Actually knowing that many streamshits
I could barely remember 2-3 of them and that's cause you can't stop talking about them.
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Can someone explain why shotgunning was removed.
It seems like a plain unfun update.
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>>169112064
That's the thing though. You're trying to ascribe some roleplaying meme quality to my reasoning when I'm looking at game balance from an objective viewpoint. Namely the stance adopted by GGG that some mechanics are imbalanced and need a rework. Exponential scaling for a given skill is an issue when others use linear scaling, that's logical enough, not some arbitrarily made up roleplay rule.

By all means, feel free to play whatever you want. Ignoring game mechanics is a possibility, you just have to not care about the idea of beating the game for what it is, instead of using a pseudo cheat-code. Not everyone needs a moral code, it's when everyone lacks it that the game's balance goes to shit.
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>>169112738
>each projectile was 100% more damage
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Why does raiz NOT want to hit level 10 too early?
why does it matter?
he's going to hit level 10 either way, why is it actually BAD if he hits it sooner than later?
level 10 is level 10
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>>169112738
Balance. Shotgunning limited design space for new projectile - based skills.
Then they subsequently decided to utterly ignore that change and make nothing but AOE skills with insanely high damage values and make projectile skills total garbage by comparison.
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>>169113043
Who?
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>>169113043
it's just a question of the cost/reward, in terms of speed, of stopping to kill mobs
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>>169113145
>>169108979
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>>169113043
It lowers your exp efficiency, there's no point in wasting time in lower areas when you can make up the difference and more in dense, exp rich areas such as Sins 1 for example
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>>169108071
>cheaters
>customers
:thinking:
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>he doesn't have Twitch Primeâ„¢
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>they don't have discord nitro
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Are sextant mods unique? If I roll every red map am I more likely to get the Nemesis Currency one?
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>>169114309
No. You can get the same sextant mod on different maps of your atlas. The same mod can't repeat on the same map though, which is why people stack sextants on maps with many overlapping sextant circles
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>>169114309
Yeah I think so

People use shit tier sextants on tier 1s they will never run so they can't get shitty sextants on maps they actually plan to run


Don't know about different tiers of sextants changing anything though
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>>169110460
And PoE isn't?
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>>169114309
the real question you should be asking is are sextant mods ethical
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>>169111912
the community was too cucked for a redpilled guy like pt
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>>169115072
Sure, everyone can use them, unlike unethical build mechanics which are reserved to a minority of unethical players
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is poopsocking ethical?

it saves water and gives asian children jobs by making me consume socks faster
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>>169115021
marvel has content locked behind paywalls
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>>169116430
so does your mum
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>>169116430
name what is locked behind paywalls

chars dont count, since you can still farm shards to get them for nothing
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>>169115204
/pol/ memes are not an argument

PT is, and always has been a fucking moron

>>PT finds out that more people will be playing Path of Exile in half a year
>things that means the game is going to be casualized and content starved
>Proceeds to leave Path of Exile to play World of Warcraft (the MOST casual MOST content starved RPG on the market)
>his crowning build achievement in Path of Exile was: Earthquake, except you get critical hits a lot

PT is retarded
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why does the term ethical trigger poeg so much

it's like a bunch a children you have to teach right from wrong
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>>169116617
he was playing vanilla tho
also source on the crowning build? pt haters love to make up shit
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>>169116763
source on that NOT being his crowning building achievement?
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>>169116945
>prove me i'm not wrong
rofl
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>>169116721
right and wrong are relative
morals and ethics are a human invention, they don't really exist
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>>169116978
>i literally cannot provide a better build that PT made than crit earthquake
roflmao
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>>169117059
>moral relativity
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>>169117072
let me study the PT streams and i'll get back to you in 3 years
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>>169117403
ok
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>>169117297
Morality is literally a social construct.
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>>169117553
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>>169116721
made up dualist categories applied to vidya mechanics is fine if the actual design and lore made it part of the story

but when you do so out of your need to roleplay, its just rather gay

>>169117297
whatever you want to believe about moral relativity, claiming good builds are evil and bad builds are good on a video game is just plain retarded
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>>169117059
Moral relativism is for edgy teenagers and cowards. If you have no self-respect, then you're not worth respect either. To be clear, just because something is a relative concept (such as something being right/wrong or ethical/unethical) doesn't mean it's exempt of real life practicality.
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>>169117553
I always thought ethics are universal since they emanate from external beings while morality is relative
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>>169117825
>since they emanate from external beings
u what
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>dude you can't judge me because good and evil don't even exist lmao
t. high school freshman who stumbled upon a nietzsche internet quote
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>>169117937
Lets say work ethics

without work there's no work ethic , morality comes from the person itself
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>>169117779
dualism is what fuels extremist ideologies

but i bet you must be a canadian muslim so you think thats all good thing

>>169117825
only if you believe that such external beings (or whatever undefinable thing they be) are real

>>169118117
only if you see work as something in itself worthy of mystical fetishism

if you see work only as something you do to make some money, or something you extract from other to turn it in to money, you end up with modern capitalism
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>>169117690
Except it's not a player-made "duality" but one that is officially awknowleged by the developers themselves. GGG is telling you "okay this is a huge problem but we're not sure how to fix it without further destroying the game so we're delaying the fix until 3.0". So whatever imaginary line you choose to draw or not, there's one that is official. You seem to be the one invested in roleplay here, when game balance as viewed by the devs themselves is absolute.
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>>169118381
Its not belief its a fact

Theres a purpose theres a beginning and end ethics is how to get from one point to other.

Morality is based on the perception of the ethics

or something like that
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>>169118105
this desu

kys poetards
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>>169118458

You are taking the dev's concerns about game balance and its current design flaws and extracting a your idea of a holy gospel out of it.

Show me where they officially state players should not double dip right now, if you want me convince that im wrong. Show me their punitive actions against those who break those rules you believe exist.

But you can't show me anything, because there is nothing to show. You are that guy hearing a priest voice his concerns over his religion and making a cult out of that because you like to roleplay.

>>169118602
Show me any fact that backs up ethics being an empirically-detected phenomena
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>>169119085
Its a fact that without the notion of work theres no work ethics

Its a fact without any being but the person you can have morals
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>>169118381
Moral relativism is actually the most dangerous stance to adopt. To say that nothing matters because everything including morals is relative is another way of saying you don't care about the concept of society itself, as long as you get your share of the pie at the end of the day, others less fortunate can die like dogs in the streets. It doesn't take much to realize society would collapse upon itself if everyone thought that way.

This is the exact same stance as saying you don't care about game balance affecting everyone in a multiplayer game so long as you can enjoy yourself, even if your personal enjoyment is detrimental to that of others because balance is global. Now tell me, how do you call someone who only cares about their self without a care for others sharing the same space, or even worse, care about using others as stepping stones to achieve a sense of superiority? I have a word for this, unethical, but maybe you have a more appropriate designation.
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>>169119187
And the notion of work can exist just fine without ethics (in fact that how it exists right now in most of the world).

Know why? Because work ethics are a man-made ideal.

The other sentence in your post is nonsense.
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is lutbot ethical
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>>169118458
>>169119085
>"Hey,players are ""abusing"" our failed mechanic and double dip,what should we do in our next patches to fix this?"
>"Just add bosses with 10 times the HP,that'll slow them down"
Enter Atlas of Worlds desu.
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>>169119386
>The other sentence in your post is nonsense.
No its not Ethics are tied to the nature of the objects limits being the purpose

Morality to the perception of the object theres a judgment
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>>169119085
>Show me where they officially state players should not double dip right now, Show me their punitive actions against those who break those rules you believe exist.

When did I imply that? All I said was that was an issue officially recognized by GGG. Can you learn to read?

You can use double-dip, you can use instant leech, you can use whatever you want that is permitted within the game, it doesn't mean your actions are exempt of judgment when it comes to defending your flawed version of game balance that is detrimental to players seeking more from the game than cheap, immediate gratification.
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Why play the game if you are just going to abuse broken shit like ES+VP, vinktar's, or poison?
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cant stop me now
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is poesmoother ethical if you play on a macbook air
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>>169119319

Moral relativism is merely acknowledging man-made concepts concepts and rules are not of any mystical or divine nature, but out of our need of self-governance and self control.

I believe right and wrong and relative, but that doesn't mean i don't care for our society, i just happen to care MORE for our society relative to other foreign society when push comes to shove, even if i know that in their perspective they may be in the right.

Except that doesn't apply to vidya, unless its design was conceived to account for it. When you take your own personal ideological (and arbitrary, in this case) stances and apply them to how you play vidya, its roleplaying.
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>>169119803
>these were the best uniques they could preview to hype people up
2.6 is a flop isn't it?
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>>169119803
ghost reaver
EB
kitavas thirst
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Is running a guardian with Radiant Faith and Shav's a gud idea, or is investing in both life and ES not worth it?
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>>169119803
so can you run over lab traps if you have 1000 hp or under
wow
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>>169119612
I don't,they make the game even more casual than it already is.My beef with them is when they """balance""" new content with their already broken mechanics in mind and don't fix the root of the problem.
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>>169119803
>100 life per second
>get zealoth's oath on any CI character
>min 200 es per second
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>>169120087
it's a good idea but unethical
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>>169119612
I wanted to make EQ Necro with a twist the new staff
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>>169119576

What is the purpose of Work?

Raw, undefined, human Work.

Produce to further his society?
Earn money to further himself?

If ethics and all the concepts you throw around where anywhere near real, my 2 questions would always be simultaneously true, but that isnt the case.

So there no "true" purpose, or limits of its nature, other than what we impose on it.
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>>169120202
Unkillable Occultists incoming?
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should i talk to my philosophy lecturer about my 2.6 build?

i cant be too careful right?
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>>169119606

So you admit you are trying to push a meme RP cult out of some verbal musing from a dev because you think well made, efficient builds are bad, and enjoying the game that way is evil?
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>>169120436
go for it
write your final essay on Build Ethics in Path of Exile with your argument being that Under Capitalism, there is no such thing as Ethical Consumption, and therefore no such thing as Ethical Building
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>>169119915
So why do you not care about others living in your own society, following that analogy? A multiplayer game has to account for a wide variety of players sharing the same space, and the same tools and the same economy.

o deny that some elements are problematic and limiting the design space just because you happen to enjoy them is unethical. That has very little if anything to do with roleplaying, it's just a matter of redistributing power equally among players so that not only a few can enjoy the game, even if they screw the game for everyone else in the process. Do you actually believe the game is in a better place with double-dipping than if it were removed and balanced around that?

Defending one's right to have a relative set of morals is not the same as defending their freedom to shit on others for personal gain. Why is this so difficult to understand for you?
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>>169119871
Buying computers made by children in china isnt ethical tho.
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>>169120352
That doesn't disapprove what i said

you can't go beyond what the subject at hand is with ethics and the set of all ethic makes ethic itself

With morals you go beyond the object it can start anywhere and end anywhere

I don't know how to put it into words the front of my head hurts make it hard to think atm
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>>169120747
fair point

i forgot how shitty apple is
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>reddit shitposting for months
>suddenly real deep ethics discussion about builds and game balance

Is /poeg/ saved?
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>>169120867
Every corporation is shitty.
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You are arguing under the false notion that all mechanics arent available for all players.

That is simply a lie.

I will gladly welcome the double dipping removal, VP nerf and a restoration of the downsides that once made ES a actual build choice with a cost. But until that day comes, pretending we need to play like that or we are evil, its roleplayign.
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>>169121302
The notion picking the OP shit being wrong is not new, however i doubt that applies to PoE since the game is balanced around the OP shit
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>>169120758

You didn't say anything that COULD be disproved because you are never bringing up conclusions or ideas that come from facts, but merely ideology. Which is made up.
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'roleplaying' doesnt seem like the right word I'd use
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Oh forgot to quote

>>169120718

heres your (You) >>169121302

>>169121443
Most because every game ""discriminates"" against bad players. Claiming we should all be bad so no one feels left out is plain silly
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>>169120528
There's nothing wrong with efficient builds being efficient, what's wrong is defending that the existence of a minority such builds must also mean that other builds are as a result rendered inefficient, which destroys the enjoyment derived from other players.

An example I used to illustrate this is CoC pre-cooldown nerf. The existence of CoC made the balancing of self-casting spell builds impossible because buffing said spells meant in turn buffing CoC, which wouldonly exacerbated the balance disparity. Is this turning into a debate about why game imbalance is a bad thing?

An unethical player would not care about such an imbalanced state so long as they enjoy playing CoC for personal selfish reasons. They might even defend its unethical scaling if such a build is only achieved with a lot of currency, because it gives them more opportunity to use the economy to further feed their superiority complex. To only care about oneself is unethical, there's nothing morally relative about this, if you have such a disdain for others then play a solo game where your actions affect no one.
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>>169121479
yeah nah im talking from a mathlike logical point of view .

With morality you give value to objects with ethics its the other way around

Like with the nazi trials, the soldiers were ethical in executing their commanders orders but were morally right in their eyes and morally wrong in the eyes of the allies.

of course its not that simple cause all the sets of ethics must come from the same principles that are decided by nature not by the people

If i play a video game and want to break the rules ill probably lose and get game over

If i play soccer and everyone else asgre on changing a rule you can do so because its based on beliefs
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>>169121789

Thinking some other build having larger numbers than yours means yours is bad -even if it does everything you want it to do- is not the other player's fault.
Its yours for having an inferiority complex so that if all builds arent equal to yours, you instantly feel bad about yourself.

Learn to measure your build against your own goals in the game, instead of caring about other people's cocks being larger and thicker than yours.
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Woo got to harvest in normal without dying.

What do you think? Will I die on that nightmare dude?

Also taking bets when will i have my first death, and when will i reroll?
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it's very important to remain ethical in your endeavors because maintaining the moral high ground is crucial to winning internet arguments

if you're not playing an ethical build in an ethical way then how can you possibly expect anyone to take your opinions seriously?
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>>169121745
Of course certain mechanics are not available to every player. Not every item is available for free, this isn't a MOBA but an aRPG with global economy. There is nothing about mechanical skill involved an expensive double-dipping or CI VP Vinktar build. You can either afford it or you can't.

Bad players are not discriminated against, poor players are. This isn't so much as creating a game where even bad players can succeed though, only bridging the gap between builds that scale linearly and others that scale exponentially for no other reason than design that has spun out of control.

Good players should have an advantage over bad players. In a way, this can mean economical advantage which means they can afford more expensive, more powerful builds. So long as the game balance does not take into account such builds as the baseline because that would mean build diversity is hurt as a result and an ARPG with no build diversity becomes d3.
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>>169121994
>all the sets of ethics must come from the same principles that are decided by nature

tell me how nature decides the rules of soccer
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>>169122429
Nature not as in biology

Nature as the essence of the beings
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I just realized today that my friend is a botter?
How do you guys feel about botters?
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Some exponentially scaling builds don't require currency, but they are squishy as hell. Mine is one of them.
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>>169122569
they're unethical parasites
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>>169122569
/automating/ is comfy
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>>169122569
turn him in
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Should I let you guys turn him in? I have the shadowplay of him admitting to it and I can show you his account name.
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>>169122637
>>169122642
>>169122710
Combine all these with a twist.Have him give you a portion of the loot or you tell him on GGG.
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>>169122884
Do what you feel is right within your heart
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no dont do man wtf why would you do this to me i thought we were friends wtf dude cmon i was only joking
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>>169122234
it feels like 70's era college feminists are raiding us TBQH

>>169122396
How is a player excluded from a mechanic in a way some other player is not on basis of currency? Think carefully, you heading towards a logical fallacy.

>>169122494
tell me how the essence of soccer determines its rules?

i would imagine that if this where the case, FIFA would not have standardized all measures and norms related to soccer because such things would be obvious by themselves
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>>169122993
You've talked to much dismantletime. I'm telling the world
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>>169122884

I would blackmail him
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new ethical map when
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no dude stop seriously why are you doing this dont report me i thought we were friends guys no dont hes lying i didnt bot i swear
>>
free
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is it ethical to play poe for five years without giving GGG any money?
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>>169123458
No.
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that is literally theft
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>>169117779
I never said they didn't have practicality
I'm just saying they're not real
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>>169123458
its not ethical to play more than 2 hours without paying for your entertainment, you entitled GenY'er
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>>169123529
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>>169123004
>tell me how the essence of soccer determines its rules?

Soccer is a game where you kick a ball
bunch of logical proposition

>Don't hit other dude
>don't give passes behind defenders
>etc

Same way GGG balances this game o wait you still get the idea

its a logical system that has a grounded limit in nature

The soldiers example is the best

everyone agrees the nazi soldiers did the correct thing logically or ethically but they disagree morally and they were judged morally by laws that were made up after they have committed the crime pretty convenient
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>>169123774
kicking a ball is not soccer any more than american handegg is

you cant derive any of the arbitrary rules from "just kick the ball". because they are man made with no relation to anything mystical about the concept of kicking a ball itself

all im asking is:

if you think ethics are real, show me a SINGLE little empirically observable phenomena that backs it up
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>>169124163
>kcik the ball
>Forever?
>No up until the goalpost
>what if there were 2 goal post

I already told you the nazi soldier example if you mean external to the person if aliens found earth and started doing stuff wouldn't they arrive to equivalent ethical conclusions upon the interaction with the objects? That only happen upon meeting the object?

Morals start in the person not the object
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>>169120202
I did something similar with Voll's Vision, Geofri's Sanctuary, and Shaper's Touch. Used a Pillar of the Caged God and just stacked stats. Wasn't killing guardians with it, but it made a rock solid league starter since everything other than Shaper's Touch cost 1 chaos or less.
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>>169124728

>Why have goals?
>Why only 2 goalposts?
>Why not just one

If rules naturally came after the essence of what a thing is, there would be no need for standards because said way to do things would be self-evident. Soccer's rules came out of a need to have a competitive and fair game so they were made up that way.

How do you know aliens would agree regarding ethics? If not all humans even agree with you, why would a complete alien intelligence?


You are 100% just making shit up.
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>>169125253
>Soccer's rules came out of a need to have a competitive and fair game so they were made up that way.
Of course cause the nature of the game is to kick the ball and be good at kicking the ball

>How do you know aliens would agree regarding ethics? If not all humans even agree with you, why would a complete alien intelligence?
some things must necessarily happen for something to be. Morally both species can give different meanings and values to the object

and you ignored the nazi soldier example
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>>169125550
>some things must necessarily happen for something to be

some things must be necessary for your made up ethics argument to have any validity, but that doesnt your argument needs to have any validity at all. nothing in the objective worlds requires it


and im ignoring your nazi example because you are assuming soldiers where good people following evil orders. How do you know? You are projecting your own ideas on them to justify their actions and you think that adds value to your ideas.
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>>169126041
>and im ignoring your nazi example because you are assuming soldiers where good people following evil orders. How do you know? You are projecting your own ideas on them to justify their actions and you think that adds value to your ideas.
They followed orders as a soldier should both parties recognized it

>some things must be necessary for your made up ethics argument to have any validity, but that doesnt your argument needs to have any validity at all. nothing in the objective worlds requires it
Its not made up i just don't know how to put into words. The thing that starts the reasoning is the real object not the perspective of the relationship between the person and the object which morals do
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Yesterday I thought I'd manage to make a 5 link out of my Sire of Shards and only managed to break it. I had about 7k damage with it now I'm down to 3.5k

I need fusings please help me they are expensive and I'm poor as fuck please
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>>169126504
>They followed orders as a soldier should both parties recognized it

What if they also killed jews because they wanted to? There is PLENTY of anecdotal evidence of solders going way beyond what was ordered to them.


>Its not made up i just don't know how to put into words.
If you can't put it into words because there is no frame of reference to talk about it objectively, then you can't frame an argument = nothing to talk about. Like wittgenstein said
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>>169126930
>What if they also killed jews because they wanted to? There is PLENTY of anecdotal evidence of solders going way beyond what was ordered to them.
Thats another issue

The nazi defenses it was just my job while the others said well you are sick for doing your job and this doesn't disapprove me it would merely state that a trial procedure is useless in that situation


>If you can't put it into words because there is no frame of reference to talk about it objectively, then you can't frame an argument = nothing to talk about. Like wittgenstein said
No i've had a headache for some time now a dot like piercing pain which makes it hard to think cause all attention goes there
>>
Is Cloak of Defiance "40% MoM"?
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https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1837149
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>>169127983
>All sources of "Increased Radius of Area Skills" have been replaced with an increase to area. This means that rather than the area of the skill increasing exponentially as the player invests in the modifier to area scale, the radius gained per point of the stat will be lower and lower as heavy investment occurs, similar to diminishing returns.
>>
VIRUS
don't click that link
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>Vaal Discipline no longer grants any bonus energy shield.
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>As another notable change, Melee Splash now gains significantly more increased area than it did increased radius as the gem levels, bringing it much closer to equivalent area skills.

>equip Kitava's Feast
>hit enemy
>screen cleared
>>
ded game
ded thread
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>>169128314
slayer passives buffed when?
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Leech effects in the Shadow area of the tree now leech from all attack damage, not just physical attack damage.

:thinking:
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>>169127983

>Almost half the one-handed and two-handed sword base types now grant flat accuracy, instead of increased accuracy. This should make them more desirable for characters that don't naturally have high accuracy rating from dexterity.
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Vaal Discipline dead. R.I.P.
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>change change to duelist passives
>leave templar with melee damage instead of attack damage
i really hate ggg
>>
>This manifesto
What the fuck.
>>
>2.6
>playing CI
I SERIOUSLY HOPE YOU DONT DO THIS
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Fix your site, hiroshima.
>>
"ever before"
>>
get fucked CI shitter
>>
Dw Lacerate Gladiator is looking pretty good now.
>>169129234
>The pictures thing yesterday, now this
>>
>Vaal disc is required for a CI build
Yeah no
If anything the assassin leech buff and claw buffs will make it better than before.
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>"so players don't feel like they need to gather every single point of area radius to reach their character's full potential."
>Reduced overall AoE potential
>This somehow makes people collect less AoE nodes when they'll need all of them to be even comparable to what they had before
>>
This Vaal Discipline change is stupid.
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did you guys like playing OP howa builds last league cos you can do it again in 2.6 but morer. try frost blades now.

--promising to fix double dipping since 2.2 <3 GGG
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>Viper Strike's Threshold Jewel now also grants a 10% chance to gain Unholy Might on hit per poison stack on the enemy, and is limited to 1.
>Vigilant Strike's Threshold Jewel now grants allies Fortify for 20 seconds, up from 3 seconds, and is limited to 1
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>>169129590
>Vigilant Strike Threshold Jewel
It's still nothing.
That Viper Strike one is also nothing, because
>True Melee
But it's at least interesting.
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>>169129526
it's what you do when you want to nerf people's builds without admitting it
>we're going to give you increases with gem level, we promise it'll be good!
>>
No, it means that with only a few AoE nodes you'll be ahead of where you were before. It's only once you start trying to get lots and lots of aoe than it will be worse.
I wonder if the area changes will effect existing items or if we'll get legacy dying sun/divinarius/jack/etc.
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>>169129680

idk i'm interested in the vigilant strike one for when i play guardian
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shiggyd did ok with his retarded shitstrike character that only died because he got a shav's and wanted to use it
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>instead of fixing skills, we garbaged up the tree.
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>>169129726
how new are you.
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>>169129769
>Guardian
>Wanting to walk up to exceptionally deadly enemies and hit them
>Just to give your party something everyone already has from their Movement Skill
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>>169129559
what was it changed to. if you don't know you're stupid for broadcasting that thought.
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>back to no viable 1h skills because the only aoe clearing 1h skill with enough damage was nerfed to dust instead of just balancing it

ggg strikes again
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>>169130146
Lacerate still starts with huge AoE.
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>>169130146
reave is still a thing
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>>169130268
so is child murder
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they want to force one-handed swords and staves
claws will only be a thing if they end up with more damage than daggers
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>>169130146
im sure sunder will be great
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Sunder was amazing if enemies were close by already, im hoping aftershocks dont get nerfed too much.
Also Call of the brotherhood nerf was uncalled for.
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>>169130595

two hand swords are getting the accuracy change too which is nice

i might actually look at doomsower and kondo's pride now
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>Heavy Strike's Threshold Jewel now grants a 20% Chance to deal Double Damage, max of 2
>When nobody ever ran even 1 because Heavy Strike does worse damage than Earthquake and is mechanically way weaker
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apparently fire vortex was just too good for ggg
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>Deletes Vortex Elementalist from offline tree planner
So when are we getting the tree changes?
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