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Thread #2457

EVERYONE IS TOO LAZY TO MAKE A THREAD edition

Last thread: >>168894294

New summoning mechanic: Link Summon
Explanation: https://ygorganization.com/memberdrawing6/

● YGOPro is an automated simulator.
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Useful Links:
>Current Official Rulebook, last updated 6/27/15:
http://www.yugioh-card.com/en/rulebook/EN_SDSE_Rulebook.pdf

>Wiki with a wealth of information for the players:
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

>Yu-Gi-Oh! stock market:
http://yugiohprices.com/

>OCG decklists:
http://blog.livedoor.jp/yugioh_tpr/
https://ocg.xpg.jp/v/deck/event.html

>TCG decklists:
http://yugiohtopdecks.com/decklists

>TCG/OCG news sites:
https://ygorganization.com/
http://blog.livedoor.jp/maxut/

>Hypergeometric Probability Calculator:
http://yugioh.party/

>Official /ygo/ ruling test:
https://testmoz.com/466984

Upcoming Sets:
●OCG: Tyranno's Rage (February 25th)
●OCG Starter Deck 2017 (March 25, 2017)
●OCG: Code of Duelist (April 15th)

●TCG: Raging Tempest (February 10th)
●TCG: Fusion Enforcers (February 24th)
●TCG: Duelist Saga (March 31st)
●TCG: Structure Decks Machine Reactor & Dinosmasher’s Fury (April 13th)

Before asking to be spoonfed, try the following:
● READ THE OP
● Read carefully the cards
● Lurk and read the archives
● Google your deck before you post it here. If your deck is/was competitive it will probably have topped an event, see the provided links above
● Most games have single rounds or a best of three match; matches are encouraged as they teach you to make use of your side deck for tournament play
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Posting for my bro the Lighting.
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CONSTRUCT
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>look up "yugioh" on youtube
>see this as one of the first videos
>remember this faggot started doing these
>begin to watch it
>it's just as bad as before

It's literally a video of this fag looking at funny yugioh pictures and laughing and then explaining the joke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m98TFsCKU0
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>>168950313

>Azneyes

Please no.
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>>168950313
He should kill himself.
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Zoodiacs were a mistake.
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>>168950313
>Azneyes
I though this faggot quit.
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>>168948208
>or maybe people could just stop being shit to each other
Or maybe you should have an info section with FAQs of reasonable questions under the stream like any other normal stream would have. Or have the tablet tech crew not wear the same shirts as normal ass judges.

>We usually just don't have the staffing to provide an actual table judge. I'd rather have better coverage on the floor where dozens of matches are affected, instead of one.
Yeah, except that's on-screen with actual proof beyond mere hearsay. That one match matter more than others precisely because it's being viewed by more people. You're held up to more scrutiny. It's also one judge. If you can't spare 1 judge, then that means something is wrong with your staff and management policies. If you can't be fucked to have one extra judge to make sure things go alright, the bare minimum of what you can do, then what does that say about the rest of operation? It's like if a restaurant fucks up the bread. If they fuck up the bread, what else are they going to fuck up on?

I dont expect top level professionalism, especially from Konami or anything yugioh related. But I at least expect Konami to at least give a small amount of fucks and actually try. If these twitch whores can make a little bit of effort, so can Konami.

Julia must be able to suck the chrome off a bumper to still be employed. She's a walking talking bad PR machine. Fuck kikes, /pol/ was right.
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>>168950472
kek
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>>168950313
>>168950472
>>168950486
>>168950537
uuuuhhhhmmmm.....what's wrong with azneyes???
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Press f to pay respects to quasar

f
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>>168950701
>Julia must be able to suck the chrome off a bumper to still be employed.
Indeed, that's another part of the reasons why KoA is a fucking joke.
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>>168950701
>I dont expect top level professionalism, especially from Konami or anything yugioh related
The fact we don't expect it doesn't mean they're any less fucking stupid for not doing it.
"It's up to the players to enforce the rules" is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard
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>>168950313
Just like card opening videos
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oh no
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>>168950864
If you have to ask that, you are what's wrong right along with him.
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>>168951381
Translate it weebs!
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>>168950864

Here's a hint
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The first spellbook support was released over 13 years ago. Feel old yet?
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>>168951381
What does it all mean?
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>Link monsters can only be in attack.

>Link monsters must be special summoned

>Link monsters are required to play modern yugioh unless you're a main deck luddite.

>Zeta and 101 finally have a use.
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>>168951492
It says you can't have the same type of extra monster(fusion, xyz, synxhro) linked to the same link monster.
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>>168951381
I can't into moonrune, so I'll just predict what this means.
ED monster died when the Link monster died.
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>>168951769
>It says you can't have the same type of extra monster(fusion, xyz, synxhro) linked to the same link monster.
For real? Damn.
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Aside from the Zoo and Windwitch Variants, what are some cool Invoked decks? I dont really care for Blue eyes.
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reposting
>>168948208
You don't need to be an active judge, just complete your RC-1 and get your e-mail.

Personally I fucking hate the group because it's the only way to get a consensus on rulings since TCG is too retarded to have clear rulings in the Database.

Sure there are a million articles on PSCT, but there's no clear location for advanced rulings like what information is stored in a card (lingering effects, how the monster was summoned, etc.)

Thank Horakhty my local YGO community is great, otherwise I would not be judging since 24 packs aren't worth having to deal with Julia's self-righteous bullshit.
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>>168951769
RIP YUGIOH
WORSE THAN WE THOUGHT
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>>168951769
HAHAHA ZOOFAGS BTFO
Seriously though, what does it say?
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>>168951769

Konami needs to just man up and make public their synchro hate.

This passive agressive bullshit is getting too out of hand.
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>>168951381
If pendulum summoned from extra deck, it has to go to EMZ.
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>>168951769
If this is true then XYZ or Synchro only decks are even more fucked.

BUY D/D/D
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>>168951872
>>168951895
>>168951906
I lied, I can't read everything, but it looks like it is talking about rulings we already know
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>>168950313
>Slaydra

Didn't even have to open it to know it was shit.
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>>168951769
Oh. If this is true then Quazar just went from ""impossible"" to summon to actually impossible to summon.
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>>168951381
Please say this new extra monster zone is only for Link Monsters.
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>>168952273
And you haven't even watched his original channel. It became a non-yugioh clickbait fuckfest
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>>168951381
When the Link monster dies, any extra deck monster in the linked zone goes with it. They just fucked the extra deck even harder, holy shit, the absolute madmen. I'm switching to rituals now
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>>168952145
>>168952274
You cheeky fuck
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>>168951381
It's confirmation that Pendulum Monsters summoned from the extra deck have to be summoned to the extra zone or a linked monster zone.
Basically, Pendulums are dead.
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>>168951381
Comment from nip
>It is the end
>Dd Goodbye
>A moment when the official acknowledges Pendulum as a failure
>I can not do mass pendulum from extra without link ...

Damn.
DAMN.
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMNNNNN
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>>168951381
Changes about summoning extra deck monsters

Fusion, synchro, xyz, pendulum can only be summoned from the extra deck to the Extra Monster Zone. (If you summon these kind of monsters from anywhere else that isn't the extra deck, you summon them to the Main Monster Zones.)

But, there is a method to summon them without placing them on the Extra Monster Zone.

By using Link Monsters' Link Markers that point to your Main Monster Zones you can use the pointed zones to summon monsters from your Extra Deck.
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>>168952547
Didn't we already know this?

>>168952708
>Salty nips
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>>168952708
Yup, Pendulum monsters in the extra deck must be summoned to the extra deck zone, meaning Pendulum is fucking dead.

Also, linked zones can only have 1 type of extra deck monster in them so if you have an xyz monster out, you cannot make another one for the other zone and finally, when the linked monster dies, monsters in the extra deck will die immediately as well
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>>168952890
Ultimaya, Bahamut, and Goyo Defender dead.
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>>168952971
>Also, linked zones can only have 1 type of extra deck monster in them so if you have an xyz monster out, you cannot make another one for the other zone and finally, when the linked monster dies, monsters in the extra deck will die immediately as well
This is bullshit, stop spreading misinformation
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>>168952407
It's what makes me thankful for dpYGO and Lithium. The former can actually be insightful and is actually funny at times while the latter actually discusses the meta without le dank maymays xDD and other stupid shit.
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PENDULUM IS DEAD!
REPEAT, PENDULUM IS DEAD!
THIS IS NOT A DRILL
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>>168952971
The text is too little for the second sentence, anon.
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>>168952971
Well, time to play Red-Eyes.
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Will red-eyes ever be good bro's?
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>>168953081
>dpYGO
>Lithium
my nigga
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>>168953016
This might only refer to properly summoning a monster, we need better rules for that.

If anything, "This is considered a X summon" cards and effects might be the actually crippled ones.
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>>168952584
Only if they are coming from the extra deck. You can still use pendulum to fuel your combos, you just can't spam the field with them every turn.
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>>168952971
>there are people that are unironically going to fall for this b8
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buy cybers
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>>168952890
Doesn't it said that it applies if you want to summon from ED?
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>>168953081
clearly, no debating, the best two
>>168953206
they would be great right now if they didnt give red-eyes fusion that shitty "you cant summon other monsters this turn" restriction
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>If fusion, synchro, xyz, or pendulum monsters are special summoned from an extra deck, they will basically be special summoned to the extra monster zone. (When summoning these monsters from other than the extra deck, it is the main monster zone as before.

FUCK THIS GAME, IGKNIGHTS ARE DEAD.
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>>168953363
Is there a larger image for honeybot? Also, the spideris rad as fuck.
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>>168953363
>tfw actual Cybers are kill thanks to the changes

Thanks a lot Konami.
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>>168953438
Oh yeah definitely.
They'd be able to OTK out the ass with Lightpulsar and chaos builds.
but alas, they kept giving Red-eyes cards retarded restrictions for no real reason.
Like, Buster blader i bad because it's an Anti-typing deck.
Red-eyes is bad because the cards have unnecessary restrictions.
Doubt they'll get any more support anytime soon too lol.
;-;
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>>168953430
Meant for >>168953304
I thought it said it applies if you want to summon from ED?
It just said, summon, not specify proper summon, right?
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>>168953543
RIP that gay Utopic Zexal turbo dick
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>>168953430
Yes it does says that, however I, want to, believe this refers to proper summons, like with tuner + no tuner kind of proper summon. The one that you can revive from the graveyard if not negated.
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>>168953643
What about Link dying and having different ED monsters?
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>>168953643
no that anon, but.
If it is all from extra go to extra monster zone, man the damage is crazy.
I also think that it is likely that only traditional summons are extra mon zone and non-normal methods like ultimaya will go to main monster zone.
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>>168953763
bait for the fishes
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>>168953763
The link part is a lie but the linked zones having to have different extra deck monsters is true.
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>>168953763
Nothing was stated about that. It just talks about Link Markers and how they enable zones for you to summon from the extra deck.
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>>168953868
Fuck off man
Do you just get kicks out of lying to people?
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>>168953868
Imagine the zoofag tears if that was true
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>>168953438
The "you can't summon ANYTHING this turn" clause was the way you could tell they never wanted the deck to work. It even shuts out Meteor Black Comet's floating if it dies the turn it's summoned.
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>>168953643
Comment from nip
>There is still hope for non-regular summons from extras
So I guess you're right.

Now to wonder whether I can use Majester effect to summon Luster/Master from ED.
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>>168953927
I'm not lying.
>>168953984
It IS true
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>>168953927
Your butthurt is pretty funny.
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>>168953763
There was no concrete statement on that. Considering that Link Monster is a requirement to summon from ED, I don't think that any other ED monsters are affected, especially since fusion, synchro, xyz, and pendulum monsters summoned from the grave are not restricted to EMZ.
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>>168954069
(You)
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>>168954069
Shut the fuck up.
>>168954105
You too.
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and people said we weren't going to get a female protagonist
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>>168954053
I don't know if I'm real or not, is just that it is very obvious that proper rulings are needed to determine what can be summoned and how from the extra deck to the field.
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>>168954069
Prove it.
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>have 5 decks irl
>2 pendulum, 1 synchro, 1 red-eyes, 1 kaiju

please, tewart, change the rules for the tcg, nips are crazy.
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>>168954251
Anything useful from the QA?
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>>168954183
try harder, literal fag
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>>168954416
>not wanting a Playmaker on your dick
Think of the plays yet to be made anon.
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>>168952584
>>168952708
>>168953543
I called it! The fucking STATE of pendulum fags.
>If scales are up can they can only use 3 spell/trap zone
>Can only pendulum summon 1 (one) monster back from the extra deck
>Still get fucked over by Anti-play fragrance
I think they're up there with the forever cucked synchrofags
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Do you guys sleeve your cards with a special color in conjunction with the theme of the deck? Like mermails blue, madolche light pink or purple (like a sweet color) ect
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>>168954352
>Red-eyes
Why would you hurt yourself like that.
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>>168954251
Comment from nip
>I'm concerned about 'basically'
>Do not know what happens to non-genuine such as Bahá'ichir orkin

It seems like he's also in denial mode.

But you can only Pendulum summon Pendulum monster to EMZ seems mostly true though.
So yeah. Pretty fucking huge nerf.
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>>168954513
I sleeve them with a slutty version of whatever the cutest card in the deck is.
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>>168954513
most do but cant in the ocg now
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>>168954352
>Red-Eyes
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>>168954484
Shut up.
I'm still in denial.
Here's comment from nip.
> ペンデュラム弱体化しすぎだろ…
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>>168954539
If they were in the ED, you can still normally pedulum summon from your hand.
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>>168954697
>Blue-Eyes
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google translator of the important new stuff

>To link summon a "LINK-n" monster, you need n links. (The same numbers are included in ※ n)
Basically, 1 monster counts as one link material.
>In "LINK-1", the condition of the material is "normal monster 1 body", send 1 normal monster to the Graveyard and summon the link to the Extra Monster Zone!

so, its basically the same as Xyz Summon.
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>>168954883
>Amazons
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>>168954697
I remember that short-ass time period where red-eyes was better because it had better support.
But then they gave blue eyes even better support on-top of being a better monster on it's own.
Red-eyes is the ultimate loser.
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>>168955061
>Dead pendulums
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>>168954965
Except we want to know about tokens are acceptable for Links.
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You know what deck fucked up completely with no chance to recover?
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>>168954484
>was actually hyped for Orica Magicians and was considering AActors as a petdek
When will pendulums stop paying the price for Pepe
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>there are people in this thread RIGHT NOW that willingly send their monsters to the grave yard

Heartless.
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>>168955230
Say what you want. I'm already imagining plays and adapting. Though I will need Darkwurm and the supreme king gates now
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>>168955217
Free scout, free the equip, free Towers, free Skill Drain.
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fuck konami, smogon of yugioh, when?
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>>168955179
>A good engine that can only make one monster now
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XYZBROS WE WILL WEATHER THE STORM
PENDULUMFAGS BTFO
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>>168955418
Smogon usually ends up being worse than the regular pokemon meta game though
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>>168955418
ARG or whatever the fuck its called tried it and got laughed out of the building for it.
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>>168955494

Gas the XYZ
Race war now
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>>168955494
GOD BLESS
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>>168955389
>free Skill Drain.
Finally I can make Red-eyes viable with a super stun version that just throws a endless horde of 2400 attack shits at you.
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CHEATING EXODIA IS THE STRONGEST!!

I beat every duelist challenge with this!!!
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>>168955494
AMEN BROTHER!
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>>168955230
When a mechanic that's mindless board vomit stops being inherently degenerate.

Pends are so absurd on a power scale that you only can get memes slightly shittier than the average petdecks or utter bullshit like Pepe. Hell people feared Igknights due to alleged Key Beetle shit that didn't actually work.
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>>168955379
Here's your sekrit tek.
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>>168955515
thats wrong though, or are you forgetting the 6 viable pokemon in vgc?
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>>168955494
I unironically think xyz is the best out of the new summoning mechanics since OG fusions and shit.
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PENDULUM GENOCIDE - BEST DAY OF MY LIFE
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>>168955494
>XYZbros
more like XYZbabs.
It's not like your decks where more than throwing out a single XYZ then setting 5.
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>>168954391
if you post it, I could translate it.

>>168954539
Yes you can only pendulum summon from the extra to EMZ or LMZ.
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>>168955657
Metal.
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Hey, Synchrofags and Pendulumfags, how does it feel? How does it feel to lose something you had alot of fun with?
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>>168955846
xyz are effect the same way synchro was tho
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>>168955796
Metalfoes were a fluke.
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>>168955750
You mad little synchro?
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Can I revive Pendulum monster with this shit?
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Majespecters were the only decent "true" pendulum deck, everything else has been an Xyz, Fusion, or Tribute deck that used really good continuous cards that happened to go in the pendulum zones.

Prove me wrong.
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>>168955846
Synchrofags are used to the struggle and pain.
It's like that one kid that their parents ignore to focus on their other kid(s).
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>>168955846
One of my favorite cards to fuck around with and see how far I can go with is ruined forever.
I actually like the new mechanic though and might actually pick up playing the game with physical cards again in spite of the changes though. Slower games would be a nice change of pace.
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>>168955664
Sweet
>>168955753
I found this one
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>>168955521
ARG tried it twice. The first was some anti-Nekroz list that did nothing to Nekroz. It resulted in Nekroz being tier 0, nutellas right below them.
Then they tried Newgioh, which was their own take on Goat Control.
As I recall they were shut down with the first, and the second was irrelevant to a casual format
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>>168955947
>d-doesn't count!
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>>168956001

>Majespecters were the only decent "true" pendulum deck,

Who cares?

The entire first half of the show was telling Yuuya that you need to be beyond pendulum because using it alone is fucking retarded.
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>>168955984
Not really.
I don't like XYZ decks because they're exactly what you just posted.
Overlay into something that stuns/removes something then set 4.
It's boring and gay as shit. I'd loose my mind if I had to play something like that often. Ruriraptors and Red-eyes are the only XYZ-based decks that don't bore me to tears.
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>>168956062
>games will be slower
I love this meme, it doesn't slow down zoodiacs or true dracos/kings at all.
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>>168956001
Metal.
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>>168955991
>This card
Pendulum fags are this desperate

>>168956173
>Ruriraptors and Red-eyes are the only XYZ-based decks that don't bore me to tears
>Bad decks are the only decks that don't bore me
t.shitter
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>>168956093
Translate it you sack of shit weebs!
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I can already see the first update of Duel Links being these shitty blue cards.
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>>168956393
>Pendulum fags are this desperate
Shut up.
When pushes comes to shove, I'll just use Supreme Metal TD.
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>Igknights gimmick is like reloading your Extra Deck with ammo and then firing
>Can now only fire one at a time
bruh
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>>168956393
>Trying this hard to try and prove that XYZ isn't the gayest summoning method.
I don't like stun-shit, it's boring. Excuse me that every single XYZ deck happens to be stun based. Give me a (You) when a combo heavy XYZ deck comes out.
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I'm a ritualfag.

Discuss.
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http://www.yugioh-card.com/japan/howto/new_master_rule/

I'm maining Pendulum Reborn now
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>>168956585
see >>168956538
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>>168956585
Lunalight.
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>>168956596
You are literally the most or second most abused summon-method fag and I apologize for that.
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>>168956596
Ritual Summoning is just Syncrho summoning but worse
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>>168956667
And what Pendulum monster even worth to summon using it, anon?
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>>168956093
1-Q:Where does a, probably it talks about properly summoned here, Link, Synchro, Xyz, Fusion monster goes when summoned by Monster reborn?
A:Main Monster Zone. It can't be placed on the Extra Monster Zone.

2-Q: Can you target a Link Monster with Book of Moon?
A: Since Link Monsters can't be on defense position, you can't target them with Book of Moon.

3-Q:Player 2 has only a monster in his Extra Monster Zone, can I attack directly then?
A:You can't.

4-Q:Can I destroy set S/T cards in the left and right pendulum Zones with -that card for pendulms that has like 3 effects and is banned-?
A:No, you can only destroy Pendulum Monsters activated as the scales.
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>>168956783
Fusion summoning but without Konami's pet projects*
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>Kaiju the link
>blow up the entire opponent's field

this game will be wonderful
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>>168951879
Fortune Lady
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>>168956727
Isn't that Fusion OTK stuff feat. Pendulums?
I tried it out for awhile and it was pretty neat.
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>>168956783
>uses a spell
>materials can be from field or hand (or grave for some)
>doesn't require exact levels
>main deck ritual vs extra deck synchro
"no"
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https://ygorganization.com/reallypendulumswereverysorry/

The overview from Konami's video regarding Links. Mostly stuff we know already from VJUMP.
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>>168957032
It's Xyz spam feat. Fusion now after Kaleido and Bull.
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>>168955230
>not playing AActors anyway and banishing all links from the enemy ED
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>tfw Dinomist Charge
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>>168956859
Basically, same Q&A as the one in ygorg.

The only changes I can see is this part
>It can't be placed on the Extra Monster Zone
So I think you can only place monster to EMZ if you properly summon it.
Basically, you can't Kaiju opponent's EMZ if your opponent's MMZ is full.
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>>168951381
From the comments
>The grass does not stop
BUY INFERNOIDS!
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>>168957189
They really did just completely fuck the very concept of pendulums. You could almost bring back full power EMEm.
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>>168957195
Kaleido?
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>>168957331
>AActor changing room is now useless
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every pendulumfag maining 3x pendulum reborn and 3x pot of riches now.
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>>168955846
Feels like playing yugioh
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reminder that he died for nothing
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>>168957450
Winner of the best support an archetype can get.
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>>168957339
Pretty much
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>>168957639
He died to save me from spending money. Truly a hero of the common man.
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FINALLY FOUND ONE
>リンク無しにエクストラからの大量ペンデュラムは出来ない・・・
Pデッキおわた
>I can not do mass pendulum from extra without link ...P deck Owata
HOLY SHIT!
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>>168957592
Nah.
There's nothing worth summoning through that hoops and there's nothing worth recycling.
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>>168957665
So from what I can gather, it lets you skip steps with Leodancer and/or mill from the deck. It recycles polys, and when you use it with Miracle fusion-esque cards it's basically a battlephase long armades?
God i wish archtypes i liked got shit like that.
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>>168957665
Too bad she can't mill herself, that would've made the deck actually good.
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>>168957747
>taking nip comment as fact
Just see this.
http://www.yugioh-card.com/japan/howto/new_master_rule/
https://ygorganization.com/reallypendulumswereverysorry/
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>tfw my pendulum deck still can do mass pendulum
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>>168957450
Kaleido Chick AKA the thing that both saved the archtype and gave them a pure rank 4 engine that makes a board of Panther Dancer, Drancia and Dragostapelia WITHOUT THE FUCKING RAT.
Being able to consistently summon Leo Dancer with 7000 atk, and by the chick's effect, you basically attack like Chaos Golem (no effects at all on battle phase) which means fuck Crystal Wing, Fuck the lightning, fuck bujins, fuck electro turtle, fuck EVERYTHING with ATK below 10100 (cuz 10k is as highest as possible i've summoned leo dancer)

Shame that Link summoning killed this shit, best board you could do now is just Drancia and Panther with a dumbass link monster sitting out doing shit.
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>>168957852
It also sent as cost so you can abuse it with Tiger.
They usually just summon Bull over and over by abusing Tiger, then maybe end with Leo.
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On the bright side they can now make a generic pendulum tuner and it'd still be worthless trash.
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Dead pendulum, dead synchro
Xyz mostly fine

I'm scared, what can they do to fuck over fusions?
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>>168955230

When synchros stop getting restrictions on everything.
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>>168957887
You actually don't need to mill another chick, cat and fox are more than enough to do all the shit you want, and also if you pulled Perfume and both foolish burials, you CAN actually use 2 chicks to mill your entire deck.
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>people thought Links were made to kill Synchro
>they were actually made to kill this faggot
Plushfire to 4 when?
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>>168958173
Fusion now can change token into actual monster.
They also can use Link monster as material.

If anything, they get a mini buff.
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>>168955230
>When will pendulums stop paying the price for Pepe
After Synchro cards stop having worse effects than XYZ monsters while being harder to summon.
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Can I get unbanned now? I mean, it's not like I'll accomplish much anymore.
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>>168956985
Have they actually confirmed that if the link dies the monsters linked to it die too?

cuz i havent seen anything that confirms this
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>>168957937
>For all Fusion, Synchro, Xyz, and Pendulum Monsters as well, when Summoning them from the Extra Deck, they will normally be Special Summoned to the Extra Monster Zone. (When Special Summoning from outside the Extra Deck, they are Summoned to the Main Monster Zone as they have been up to now.)
>These are the zones where you can place monsters brought out from the Extra Deck, and during the Duel you may choose either the left or right zone. (One person gets one zone each)
So you can only summon one pendulum monster from the extra deck as there is only one extra deck monster zone, unless you have a link out. Thanks for the official clear-up
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>>168958280
Links were made to kill synchro and pendulum, two of the worst summoning methods in the game, due to their masturbating combos, and slow down xyz. I haven't felt this good since Trump won. Seeing people suffer even more is a bonus, you know some dumb son of a bitch bought crystrons and DDDs
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>>168958358
No. Join the bargain bin of banned cards that wouldn't be run even if they were at 3.

You did the crime, now you pay the time.
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>>168958241
It'd still make your rank 4 plays so much better.
>chick, mill chick, revive chick with tiger, mill chick, pop Tiger with Barrage, revive chick, mill Panther Dancer, make rank 4s, search Wolf with Bull, use Wolf to summon free Leo after rank 4s
hnnggg
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>>168956506
and then all normies and nostalfag stop playing. It ain't happening, Jewnami won't lose all the dl shekels
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>>168957852
>God i wish archtypes i liked got shit like that.
Kaleido chick and that new B.E.S. support (despite turning the deck into mecha majespecters) are evidence that konami can print some seriously good cards but they probably refuse so they can sell the next hot shit. Also kaleido chick and crimson fox have yet to be imported, and i bet my ass that they're coming here once we get link summoning.
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>>168958413
Links where made purely to cash in since they're strictly better XYZ cards and you need them to play any extra-deck based archtype.
Hell I doubt any of the """""""""Good"""""""""" synchro decks give a shit since they spit out fodder and can revive them so easily.
Pends are dead though.
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>>168958494
do they even get any? i thought it didnt have a cash shop
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>>168958406
It makes sense with the zones rules, they do "come out from the extra deck" and all that.
It just blows for Igknights (hyukhyuk) whose entire strat piling into the ED. Unless they add a 1-link card with 3 arrows in your directions these dummies are fucked the hardest of pendy.
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>>168958406
The only change from V-Jump is that Pendulum is now categorized as ED monster when summoned from ED.
Fucking dick move.

Also
>they will normally be Special Summoned to the Extra Monster Zone
>normally
There's still a faint hope for Bahamut, Ultimaya, and Goyo.
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>>168958413
No, Links were made for you to buy
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>>168958691
So far, Link number directly corresponds to number of Link marker.
As in, Link-1 only have 1 Link arrow, etc.
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>>168958413
the game hasn't slowed down at all, you're really desilutional if you actually believe the game will slow down
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>>168958413
>pendulum
???
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>>168958413
>Thinking links are going to kill masturbation decks
Lmao.
Links where made for masturbatory combos with how you can climb with them an need to spit out multiple to use your ED.
If anything LInks are going to make masturbatory decks worse since it adds more steps to basic plays.
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>>168958413
>pendulum
>due to their masturbating combos
What kind of Pendulum deck can Pendulum summon more than OPT, anon?
Zefra?
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You know what I think the worst bit is?

You can't attack directly if you have a monster in your extra monster zone.
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You know what deck benefit greatly from Link?
Now they just need Link-equivalent of Tsukuyomi, then they can plus harder than Zood..
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>>168958993
what?
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>>168958993
you will always be allowed to attack directly
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>>168958993
>>168959131
that's org's ver see >>168956859
granted with all of this who knows
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>>168958993
Shit, I misread that. It's better than I thought, but still bad... For helmet decks.
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>>168958993
That's mistranslation.
>相手のモンスターがエクストラモンスターゾーンのみにいる場合、自分のモンスターは直接攻撃できる?
>直接攻撃はできません。エクストラモンスターゾーンのみに相手のモンスターがいる場合も、メインモンスターゾーンにモンスターがいる場合と同じように考えます。
The Q&A asking whether you can attack your opponent directly if your opponent have monster in their EMZ.
The answer is no.
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>>168959176
It's saying if the opponent has something in its EMZ you can't attack directly silly. Why would you ever refer to yourself as player 2?
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>>168958685
You can buy gems if I'm not mistaken, typical mobage bs
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>>168959306
Ygorgalready fixed the mistl. That was quick.
It used to said
>you can't attack directly if you have a monster in your EMZ
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You know what i think the worst bit is?

Monsters linked to a link monster get banished during the end phase of the turn they were summoned and you take 2000 damage for each one banished.
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>>168958473
Well i play it pure so in turn 1, what i search with the two bulls are black sheep and tiger (if i didn't had either of them in the hand) and the rest is just dropping dragostapelia and panther alongside with Drancia, set backrow and pass.
In turn 2, i either bait and outgrind my opponent (unless the fucker has Arifact sanctum or dimensional barrier ready which halt the deck completely) or just yoloswag my way into Leo, with this deck its either win in turn 2 (or 3 if i went first) or bust, and it can be quite hard sometimes.

I still find it fun though, it can compete with meta decks fine and sometimes i love abusing idiots who waste their drancia on panther or think Raigeki can halt me.
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>>168959494
You know what i think the worst bit is?

They're slowing down all the other ED mechanics so Link spam will be the solitary meta in a few sets.
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>>168958402
They arent. There's absolutely nothing to suggest this.
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>>168955991
http://www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/faq_search.action?ope=5&fid=7727&keyword=&tag=-1
No.
But you can activates it even if it's sent to opponent's graveyard though.
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>>168959595
I know i was right, i want that meme rumour to die
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Somebody pls remind me of the Zodiac Link Spider/Missus Radiant combo?
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Why does tribute and ritual summoning get to dodge the new FUCK YOU rules?
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>All these stupid fucks saying shit like "Links Kill Pendulum"
>Meanwhile I was literally playtesting Zefra Nekroz feat. Slifer under that assumption (and the assumption that the ED won't be expanded) yesterday.
Literally the only thing keeping this from being good is the fact that I refuse to not run Nekroz of Thighs despite it being literally the worst card in the deck. Otherwise it's still stupid easy to slap Decode Talker on board and make plays with only 2 slots. The hardest part is gonna be protecting Decode Talker while I ramp up my board into Rituals and Grammaton.
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>>168959548
You know what i think the worst bit is?

Xyz spam will still be a thing and zoos will forever rule until konami mans up and fucks the rat in the ass
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>>168959853
Nekroz of Thighs?
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This is the kind of average turn 1 board lunalights can puke out by themselves, bring that sphere mode if you have it, that ball is why i sometimes just end it with Drancia and Panther.
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>Cool-headed and extremely clever. His real skill is in his hacking and cracking abilities.
>tfw Yusaku is a hacker on steroids
>tfw Yusaku is literally /ourguy/
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>>168959890
Rat will be at 2 when the list comes out with the new starter deck.
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>>168959917
Sophia.

It's a bad card, but since she's leagues easier to play in Zefra than her home deck I can't bring myself to not run a copy. If I was trying to be more competitive I'd cut her in a heartbeat, but most of the time, a dead draw isn't going to change much against the people I typically play against.
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>>168959984
Yusaku is basically Yusei but instead of bikes it's hacking and computers.
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>>168959996
I wish, anon.
I wish.
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>>168959984
um hello?
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>>168955846
You say that as if this hasn't been happening to Synchro ever since the very reveal of Xyz.
>This card cannot be used as a Synchro Material Monster.
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>>168959951
Good luck doing that after links :^)
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>>168959853
>I refuse to not run Nekroz of Thighs despite it being literally the worst card in the deck

My fucking soul brother.

Post preliminary dick while you;re at it.
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>>168960094
>that post I made on /a/rc-v like 2 years ago is still getting circulated.
Feels good.
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>>168960039
Oh aight.
Well i know what you mean, I COULD make a ""Competitive"" Dragon deck for OTK's but i'm too damn intent on making reddo-eyes okay.
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>>168959826
because you either need to have the monster in hand or commit resources to getting the monster from your deck to your hand.
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>>168959984
>tucking his pants into his shoe lip
dropped, sold my cards, deleted ygopro, filtering all of you, I'm fucking out.
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>>168960161
With links i can end it at Panther and Drancia which is fine, i've tested it.
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>>168959984
>"/ourguy/"
>the messiah of Links
>literally the anti-Christ
>>
CIRCUS FREAKS ETERNALLY BLOWN THE FUCK
RULERS RULE ONCE MORE
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>>168960039
>Nekroz of Sophia
>now you can easily adjust the type of monster you control with Link-1
>but can't use them as tribute to Ritual summon because they don't have level
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>>168960310
>dark matter rulers will never be a thing
such wasted potential
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>>168960417
cancer deck anyway, and a stain on their history.
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>>168959853
share your nekroz dicklist, might as well get used to playing rituals
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>>168960310
You know, there's a slim chance DRuler will go to 1 since they can't spam Dark Matter and stuff.
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>>168960279
This is only true if links speed up the game.
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>>168960417
>>168960475
>>
What's the best way to spam monsters to tribute fodder them for links?
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>>168955370
My skull servants live in a graveyard so its humane to put them there!
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>>168960616
Token.
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>>168960616
Edea
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>>168960475
>cancer deck anyway
>
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>>168960679
Tought so, i hope they end up confirming that we can use tokens as link fodder, please ATLEAST let us have that.

>>168960729
>also you cannot special summon monsters from the extra deck this turn
fuck no
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>>168960616
Goats.
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>>168960616
im calling it now; this will get put on the ban list in some way (whether it's the card directly, seraphinite, or trick clown) around the time links are officially released. abuse it while you can. screen cap this.
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>>168960896
goats wont always meet the requirements!
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>>168960892
>what is waboku
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>>168961009
i can't wait to start with waboku but not edea
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ABUSE MEEEEEEEE
I AM NOT OPT, YOUR IMMORTAL RITUAL FODDER
I'M ALSO A LEVEL 6 FOR YOUR CYBER ANGEL
ABUSE MEEEEEEEE
pls
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>>168960976
Why bother banning something that can't even be used in this new game? It'd be like banning Shadow mist, skullcrobat joker and tuning
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Kristya or vanity's fiend in darklords?
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>>168961178
Both obviously.
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>>168960896
>flip summon
Anon...
>>168960976
Wait a second
>1 card two effect monster fodder if you send trick clown
I'll stock up on this asap
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>>168961121
You can use BriFu though.
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>>168961121
Anon, are you legitimately retarded?
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>>168961121
>can't even be used
you're not serious, are you?
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>>168959102
Since you send them from the field to grave wouldn't you just need to have a way to have at least 2 in your hand? Seeing as they get their effects.
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>>168961221
Prediction Princess Tarotrei is a thing.
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>>168961514
Not for long since my favorite method of disruption just lost a lot of its bite
Someone said they address whether you can Link with facedowns though, did they?
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>>168961514
So you're telling that to summon ONE link succesfully i have to add a ritual, plus their ritual spell, plus the scapeghost?
I'll stick to brilliant fusion thank you
>>
Is infinity dark a good card?
>>
I learned how to play from the anime, Does this mean ,I can't do accel synchros like Yusei did or summon Odd Eyes Rebellion/Raging Dragons like Yuya?
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>Pends can only be summoned on EMZ if they come from the EMZ
>Synchros lack spaces (without link monsters) to drop their combos
What's next, you can't overlay an xyz over an xyz because you already have the zone occupied so you cannot summon another thing on top of it?
>>
What's a good deck for a new player to play to learn the game against the ai in YGOPro?
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>>168960827
It was just normal Rulers but gimped by running shitty Mythics, just for the sake of a ridiculous OTK. Should have banned Dark Matter and let DR stay. They only released that bullshit card just to give kill Dragon Rulers permanently.
>>168961121
kys
>>168961514
absolutely garbage
>>168961696
Obviously no. Literally nobody in the history of Yugioh has ever used it. It's garbage. Not even worth keeping to wipe your ass with, since the corners are a bit too sharp and the card too thick.
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>>168961462
Hangar is now 1-card ABC.
But of course you need to summon a Link-1 monster using the pieces, which sadly doesn't exist yet, and maybe Link-2 using the Link-1 and the last pieces.
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>>168961696
>Gemini
no
also eff wouldnt work on link if that was your idea
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>>168960976
It would literally be better to run 2 Garnet and make Radiant with them.
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>>168961876
what does gemini mean
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>>168961816
No way, they wouldnt do that. Not while Zodiac is meta.
>>168961818
>learning against AI
lol
anyway the answer to your question is DD or Magicians.
>>168961860
if you need a card that doesnt exist then clearly the combo doesnt exist.
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>>168961663
>Basics of Link Summon #1: It uses face-up monsters on the field as materials.
No, you can't.
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>>168961816
>Konami
>Doing anything to hurt their precious baby that is XYZ.
Lol.
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>>168961860
I thought that the spider is a link-1 monster or is it not generic?
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>>168961818
ddd to learn mechanics
zoo to win
cybers for link era
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>>168961961
>if you need a card that doesnt exist then clearly the combo doesnt exist.
Soon, anon. Soon.
Be very afraid.

>>168962036
Not generic.
>>
Should I keep my Terrortops and Break Swords or should I sell them?

Are Tops still gonna be good in Link format?
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>>168961803
Summoning odd eyes raging is ez, even with links you can pendulum from the hand to do it.
You need:
1 odd eyes + 2 level 7 monsters you overlay for odd eyes absolute dragon + xiangke magician

1) Pendulum for 3 (from hand), this being odd eyes plus the two level 7s

2) Overlay the level 7s and put absolute dragon in the extra deck zone

3) activate xiangke magician on the pendulum zone and use it's efffect targeting odd eyes absolute dragon

4) overlay absolute dragon and odd-eyes for raginng dragon

5) go ham
>>
This was such a bad change.
Konami needed to see how they were making Boss monsters and they needed to take a step back and prepare a giant-ass banlist.

They should have unleashed more ST removal, banned the recent slew of free negation monsters (And stopped printing more holy shit), questioned the removal and level of quick-effects they gave bosses and kept that in mind going forward.

I'm certain people would have been more happy with a soft reset that banned a huge number of generic problem cards like Crystal Wing, Kirin and Hope Harbinger rather than the travesty that is Links.

Links is Konami's shitty business practices and design coming back to bit them, and instead of using it as a way to reflect, they just decided to push the whole thing back two years.

Anyone who supports links is retarded.
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>>168962110
break bit late
tops likely good
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>>168962104
I'm not afraid, ABC is already irrelevant because of Zodiac, and Zodiac is 99% unaffected by the new rule changes because of Lyca and Missus Radiant.
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>>168962110
Terrortop is going to die by the banlist 2 weeks from now on and break sword is getting reprinted in the star pack, so id say sell them
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>>168962197
If bosses didn't have quick removal they'd die to lightning.
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>>168962350
Lightning, Kaijus, Castel and 101 are all part of the problem.
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>>168960478
>>168960163
This is what I playtested with IRL yesterday. Cyber End Dragons are Decode Talker and Cyber Twins are Gaiasaber. Before you ask, I don't have any Oracles or Brio, but they would definitely help speed up the deck so use 'em if you got 'em.

The group I play with IRL runs Traditional format, so the side are the cards I swap in against people that want me to adhere to the banlist.

General strategy is to turbo into Decode Talker, then after that slingshot yourself into Valkyrus and exploit his Tribute effect in conjunction with Pendulums (and your 2 slots) to draw 2 every turn forever. The Nekroz monsters will usually force the opponent to turn their attention in that direction instead of towards your Link or your weaker Pendulums, so against decks with limited resources you can just out-grind them.

Pros:
>Barely affected by the new system and can easily make it work for them
>Decode Talker will get the buff from Chosen and you can use Pendulums to fuel his effect for protection.
>Pretty easy to make good plays.
>Once you get your engine going, the number of playable wincons means it doesn't really matter if your opponent nukes you so long as you can recover.

Cons:
>Could probably stand to have more protection.
>Doesn't stand up to a total board wipe well.
>Opening hands where you have less than 3 pendulums are basically bricks.
>No real way to get Rituals back to hand after you've used your one Prep.
>Dies ultrahardcore to Turn 1 floodgating.
>Sophia is in the deck.
>The draw engine can be TOO good if you don't pace yourself. A few duels where I got Valk out T1 ended up cutting me down to the wire in deck space to the point where I considered expanding to 50 cards even though that is usually retarded.
>Only 3 backrow slots really fucking hurts sometimes.
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>>168962350
Ban the Lightning then. Then ban the stuff that makes The Lightning a necessity.
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>Ban omni-negators
>Ban Kaijus
>Ban the bosses that were only kept in check by Kaijus
>Ban The Lightning
>Ban the bosses that were only kept in check by The Lightning
>Ban Castel
>Ban the bosses that were only kept in check by Castel
>Unban Heavy Storm and Harpies Feather Duster
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>>168962408
I wouldn't say 101, since you can play around it.
Agree with Castel though, it's thanks to him that we had a surge of "can't be targeted" show up.
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>>168962572
>bosses that needed to be checked by Castel
>existing
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>>168950109
what are the absolute strangest cards in the game?

just general weird cards that you've probably never seen in a game even once
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>ABC SS isn't a Fusion Summon
This keeps getting better and better.
If Ultimaya doesn't need to go to EMZ to summon it, ABC also doesn't need to.

>>168962274
Unlike Zood, which is slightly inconvenienced by Link, ABC actually gets better with the existence of Link.
But that's okay.
Keep circlejerking your Zood. I just want to find a way to actually exploit it rather than seeing it as obstacle.
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>>168962572
>Ban the bosses that were only kept in check by Castel
Literally just Construct. Everything else was kept in check just fine before Castel, Castel was just there to make the problem worse and make R4NK more obnoxious.
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>>168962572
>ban everything that stops my fun because I should be rewarded for mindlessly bringing out big monsters
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>>168962572
I don't there are any cards that warrented the existance of lightning.
It's sole existence was to make R4NK decks better because it's konami's pet.
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>>168962823
towers, which gained immunity to everything due to castel
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>>168962686
From my understanding, the new rule prevents you from summoning monsters FROM the Extra deck to anywhere outside of the EZM and Linked Zones.

Proper Summon, or summon from an effect, it doesn't matter as long as the monster you're summoning is from the Extra Deck.
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>>168962686
I'm pretty sure anything summoned from the Extra Deck applies to Links
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>>168962728
>I should be rewarded for mindlessly bringing out big monsters
But I SHOULD be rewarded for mindlessly summoning 2 level 4's and getting rid of any problem I might face?
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>>168962823
ZAPDOS.
Which you can't kill with crab.
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>>168950701
>Julia must be able to suck the chrome off a bumper to still be employed.
>TGU is based on Julia
L-lewd..
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>>168962879
We have Kaijuu's and King Crab for that though.
Being perfectly Honest Lightning feels like an exec got tired of not trying into their Kaijuu's when someone managed to get out a boss monster that doesn't go down to Castel.

>>168962938
Ah yeah I forgot about that. Raidraptors can go into that thing pretty easily too? That said is the armades effect really necessary then?
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>>168962886
>>168962895
That means Bahamut, Ultimaya, and Goyo Defender is dead.
Especially Goyo Defender even if you use Link.

I'm banking on this sentence.
>For all Fusion, Synchro, Xyz, and Pendulum Monsters as well, when Summoning them from the Extra Deck, they will normally be Special Summoned to the Extra Monster Zone.
>they will normally be Special Summoned to the Extra Monster Zone.
>normally
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>>168962686
lol m8 you dont even know how Links work
and Zodiac got Lyca, man. Fucking Lyca practically negates the existence of Links. You can still do exactly what you did before, you just need to drop Lyca during your combo at one point.

Also, ABC SS DOES go to EMZ.
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>>168962930
If I use a Charmer or activate Change of Heart targeting a monster in the EDM Zone, does the card retain it's position (just switching who the zone belongs to), or does it go to an empty MM Zone?
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>>168962930
Can i use tokens as fodder to summon a link monster?
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>>168962931
>2017
>extra deck mattering anymore for anything other than Zoodiacs
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>>168963030
If you never use Lyca before Link, you're a shitter.

>Also, ABC SS DOES go to EMZ.
Yeah, mate.
Just like Pendulum from ED goes to MMZ.
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>>168953643
Konami just confirmed that summons from the extra go to the extra zone for all monster residing in the extra deck, unless a main monster zone is linked. Outside the extra deck monsters go to main mon zone. RIP Ultimaya.
Source: Read the ygoorg article that just released.
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>>168963028
Bahamut and Ultimaya aren't dead if you have a Link monter up :)

Goyo Defender is definitely dead though.
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>>168962930
Do you have your official Judge shotglass?
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>>168963028
It's still a fusion summon, see chimeratech.
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>>168963153
Wait, can i tune a monster in my monster zone with a monster in my extra deck monter zone?
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>>168963153
>they will normally be Special Summoned to the Extra Monster Zone.
>normally
I have hope, though it's faint.
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>>168963214
No, sadly

>>168963056
If they match the specifications on the Link monster yes.

>>168963041
Ask Konami
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>>168962930
If I tribute Light pulsar dragon, will it's effect that rezzes a Dark Dragon go off or does it miss timing?
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>>168963282
Yes, they're on your field and you control them.
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>>168963309
What Tier 2 events have you judged?
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>>168958173
fluffals are already fucked nigga
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>>168962930
Must be a really common question but, how do i become a judge at events? i want to get a cool judge mat and packs for watching nerds play
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>>168963232
It's not a Fusion summon.
See Metalfoes Combination.
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>>168963312
miss timing
wow das old
havent heard LPD in long time
last thing to have happened was the monster being summoned, not LPD going to grave
>>168963367
im not him, but I was at 2008 us nats.
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>>168963427
Oh alright.
So basically Pulsar going to the grave will miss timing unless nothing else happens?
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>>168963427
Oh shit nice, what Nats swag did you get?
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>>168963292
I have a feeling this seals the deal.
They might have some new cards bypass it, but since they have yet to say the case for non traditional summons, I have a feeling its the former.
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>>168963312
Mrs. Timing

>>168963367
Like 10 regionals and locals

>>168963386
Pass the RC (1), network with other Judges, get experience at Regionals, pass your PC (1) somewhere along the line. And then respond to the Judge Call in your email, then reply to Julia's reply with an application, and then get denied/send another application when Julia says "okay actually apply now"
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Hi I'm a noob trying to build a deck from scratch. but I dont understand what cards I can and cannot use. I'm not using any banne dor forbidden cards. but when I try to play a match It says my deck isn't valid. are there only certain areas I can get my cards from? if so what are they? I'm sorry if this is already posted somewhere and I missed it. I'm new here.
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>>168963484
I got kicked out for masturbating in the bathroom and impersonating a KDE official.
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>>168962930
Can I attack directly using Rampart Blaster in face-up defense position if my opponent have a monster on his field?
Did I use her ATK or her DEF in case of attacking directly using her effect?
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>>168963689
That's what you get for practicing your synchro deck.
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>>168963578
Anon, they still bothered to use "normally", even in moonrune.
Let me have my hope, though it's faint.
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>>168963675
Post dick
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>>168963692
motherfucker just check google we are not basic bitches' first rule book
>>168963754
I was determined to beat my first nats.
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>>168963153
I don't know if the article confirms what we want to know.

It is like saying that pendulum monsters treated as spell/traps placed on the left/right scales but not because you activated them as such work as scales. You get what I mean? This is why long ass weird ruling pages are released and I actually want to know what is the answer for the 2 previous scenarios as well as Rank-Up magics and Xyz Evolutions. But I already have something in mind more or less.
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So are Pendulums dead?
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>>168963692
you can always attack directly

atk is used for calculation
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>>168963812
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Best way to run Nekroz in our current format?
Saw some people mixing them with cyber angels and some others with eidolons but idk what build would be better
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>>168962930
If I SS Sophia properly, with Necrovalley face-up on field, will her effect gets negated by Necrovalley, or will it go through since cards in grave can't be banished from the start, so technically Sophia's effect won't move any card from grave?
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>>168963937
yea
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>>168963993
Did you read the card
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>>168963990
Zefra Nekroz or Cyber Angel Nekroz are the two best builds right now. I've never heard of Eidolon Nekroz, and I can't imagine it's terribly good considering the Water monster is literally the worst one.
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>>168963984
always check the format that you save the deck as
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>>168964082
what does a basic core of a cyber angel nekroz deck look like?
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>>168964059
So Necrovalley work just like Solemn Warning?
That means if I activates Gear Gigant X, Necrovalley can just negates it since he can moves a card from graveyard to hand?
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What is wrong with flip summon monsters?
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>>168964207
KEKED
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K
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>>168964207
Keep telling yourself that.
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>>168964271
>>168963993
>Negate any card effect that would move a card in the Graveyard, other than itself, to a different place.

>Negate any card effect that would move a card in the Graveyard, other than itself

>Negate any card effect

>that would move a card in the Graveyard, other than itself
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>>168964317
>Even /a/rc-v knows combos to work around the Link restriction for D/D/Ds
Fucking nothing changed except your ED composition and the fact that you now run 3 Night Howling instead of just 0-1.
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>>168964207
I know. I mainly play DiDiDi, just wanted to shitpost
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>>168964317
Will he ever get out of his chair?
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>>168964207
in duel links anon-chin
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>>168964453
>combos to work around the Link restriction for D/D/Ds
teach me anon, show me the way, why is night howling suddenly good?
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>>168964423
But in GGX case, they can choose whether to add card from deck or graveyard.

And in Sophia's case, Necrovalley prevents cards in grave from being banished, so Sophia's effect won't actually banish cards from graveyard.
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>>168963692
>>168963817
>>168963964
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Elemental_HERO_Rampart_Blaster
The TCG was a mistake, this is the stupidest ruling I have ever come across
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>>168962930
Can I tribute a monster in my hand or a facedown monster in my field to pay for Amorphage's maintenance cost as Pendulum scale?
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>>168964679
>ED Monsters can be revived from the grave into MM Zones.
>Night Howling is one of the many cards in DDDs that revive cards from grave, and is also a tuner.
>It is super easy to get DDDs off of the board by using them as material for something else.

Does that answer your questions?
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>>168964707
>But in GGX case, they can choose whether to add card from deck or graveyard.
yes of course

>And in Sophia's case, Necrovalley prevents
"Negate any card effect that would"
"would"
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>>168964896
So will GGX effect gets negated by Necrovalley?
By the time of his effect resolution, usually there will be a machine monster in the graveyard from GGX's mat, so he might be able to choose one from there.

What's the significance of would there?
Even before the effect is activated, it knows that it won't be able to banish cards from grave.
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You know which synchro deck can actually live without link monsters?
Fucking, six samurais.
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>>168964871
I see where you're going anon, but that fiend type restriction really fucking sucks.
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>>168965282
Or, you know, WW.
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>>168965282
yeah they'd live to get fucked in the ass by lawnmoving infernoids/monarchs/zoos/kozmos and whatever other decent deck out there survived the link masacre
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>SS effect tributes all monster you control, including your Link monster
>thus you're forced to place it on the EMZ
>thus effectively making you have no Linked Zones
>thus making you unable to Pendulum Summon a second time this turn
KONAMI DOES IT AGAIN, TRULY MASTERS OF CARD DESIGN AND FORESIGHT
Mr. Grammar was such a perfectly designed card, and it only lasted 1 booster pack. I'm mad.
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>>168965217
>So will GGX effect gets negated by Necrovalley?
Depends if it is going to add a card from the Deck, or Graveyard.

>Even before the effect is activated, it knows that it won't be able to banish

Meaning it WOULD NOT
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>>168965315
Literally 100% of the deck is Fiend. If the type restriction is holding you back then you need to try harder. If you want to run Links themselves, you really only need to put Decode Talker out as your first move, then progress through your plays as normal.

DDDs mastered Pendulum, Synchro, Xyz, and Fusion. I have no doubt that they can also master Link and Ritual eventually.
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>>168965443
Just do what Zefras do with all of the other big monsters they can play: Make the big play your last turn and don't bother playing it unless it can get you the kill. Beatstick the opponent with smaller stuff in the meantime.
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>>168965443
I have a hope, though it's faint, that since it's not a Pendulum summoning a Pendulum monster from ED, it won't go to EMZ.
It's just a little hope, though it's faint.
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>>168965443
We don't have confirmation that Pendulum monsters are placed on the EMZ when summoned from the Extra Deck. The way the article on VJump was written and how they specifically emphasized "Fusion, Synchro, Xyz and Link" makes me think it won't work like that.
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>>168965531
The fiend type restriction hurts because i can't meme crystal wing as fast as possible into the field
So the plan is to get materials asap in the field to tribute them for decode talker WITHOUT using our normal summon so we can summon nighthowl?
I see, build would definitely have to be optimized to achieve this and similar combos consistently
I think that DDDs can still live but the builds will DEFINITELY change a lot.
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>>168965804
Anon...
https://ygorganization.com/reallypendulumswereverysorry/
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tfw some guy with a pre-2007 deck beat my meta deck since I couldn't do jack shit with my hand and he had magic drain on the field
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>>168965923

Really? Fuck Konami. That's it. I am selling all my cards and dropping this game completely.
Bye, Anons.
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>>168965809
The fact that you went "I can't meme out Crystal Wing so it's not that great" just proves that your thinking is too rigid.

Open your mind, see all the possibilities, put it all aside for now, and accept that EVERYTHING is going all according to the Keikaku. Good, bad, neutral, victory, loss...all is as the Keikaku dictated.
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>>168965524
So Sophia's effect won't get negated by Necrovalley, cards in grave stay in grave, but other cards in hand and field gets banished?
Can't you just tell me this without being cryptic and waste 30 minutes of our time?

And how did it work for GGX, exactly?
Did I declare whether I'll add card from grave or from deck at resolution, then get negated after declaration if I declare that I want to add one from graveyard?
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>>168966069
see you tomorrow anon
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Do we have an official word on if you can use tokens for Links yet?
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>>168966051
How did you know he have Magic Drain, anon?
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>>168966436
None, but the wording seems to align with how Synchros and Tributes work, so I imagine it's kosher.

Link Spider will instantly become playable for the honeybot access if Tokens are workable.
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>>168966436
Not yet.
When Synchro summon is introduced, is there any official word on if you can synchro using token?
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>>168966436
Me and my brother were playtesting yesterday under the assumption that since Links work like Synchro, that tokens would work with Links. After about 2 games of bricking and generally getting frustrated with Super Quants, he put in three copies of Scapegoat and proceeded to never not have at least 2 link zones.
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>>168966535
Though there's some problem like pic related and if you can't do it, summoning Honeybot from Link Spiders is kinda worthless.
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>>168966069
Every pend deck gets the dick for simply existing

>>168966759
Huh, that's a good question
We need much more stuff than what these Q&As are choosing to address explained
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>Can only SS 1 pend from the ED to an EMZ
Pack it up boys.
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Was it so hard to make it so new rule only affects face-down extra deck cards? I mean I don't like Pendulums' ability to infinite recursion as well, but this and the PZone nerf just reeks of maliciousness against the cards they've been releasing for the past 3 years or so.

Even the shift from Synchro era to Xyz era wasn't as blatant as this.
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Reminder that synchro and pendulum are kill not because konami hates them but because players who use those methods take forever just to finish their goddamn turns
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>>168955846
I don't nderstand really what you mean? It's not like synchro decks were optimal.
I just feel like I wasted time b/c Jack Atlas deck finally gets non tuner support it needs to at least be able to summon 2 synchros consistently outside of the Duza loop and now it might be dead again.

I just don't get why they didn't check their own shit an realize that all this really does is give fast xyz decks more power.
I have never been confused by mechanic choices before but man. This doesn't make sense
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Reading all this stuff I bet they will release a Foolish Burial clone that let you send one card from your ED to the graveyard. At this point is asking to be printed.
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>>168966989
Pendulum wasn't even a major problem outside of PePe. The ARC-V years were mostly dominated by Xyz or decks that could make good use of Xyz. Synchro was dead through the entirety of it and Fusion was only relevant in the form of Dolls and Masked HEROes.
Konami must love masturbating to Utopia.
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It also affects Pendulums because Pendulums would have given you recurring fodder for Link Summons, quite an advantage over decks that don't have Pendulum
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>>168967207
Gale dogra
But it doesn't help, because then you can't SS them from grave.
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>>168966103
>>168966103
>So Sophia's effect won't get negated by Necrovalley, cards in grave stay in grave, but other cards in hand and field gets banished?
Yes


>And how did it work for GGX, exactly?

Moving a card in the deck will get GGX's effect negated

Moving a card in the deck won't get negated
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>>168967310
MEANT TO SAY MOVING A CARD IN THE GRAVE WILL GET GGX NEGATED

I'M TIRED
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>>168967226

>Fusion was only relevant in the form of Dolls and Masked HEROes.

?
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>>168967576
>implying
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>>168967258
That's absolutely true, but they still decided to gut a mechanic for the same of making a new one. I dunno, I used to totally understand people thinking that pends and their inf recurring fodder was problematic, but this feels ridiculous
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>>168967207
((nekroz kaleidoscope))
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>no one plays pendulums
IT'S MY TIME
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>the pendulum mechanic is ruined before we get pendulum rituals
WTF RITUALBROS IT'S NOT FAIR
WHERE THE FUCK IS OUR DIMENSION
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>the ONE time Konami listens to shitters, it ruins the entire game

Great job, yugibaobaboons.
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>>168967864
thats is a contradiction
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>>168968230
I'm partially annoyed they chose dark blue for links. It's not enough to neglect rituals, they had their base card color taken as well. I figuratively placed bets on the next color as red. Maybe the following series after 6thgioh then.
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Who is the Sam Hyde of link summons?
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>>168967207
Read Semi-Nomi rules and then tell me why this shit you just said is stupid.
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>>168968230
dont worry brother, the rituals shall RISE with the links
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>>168956037
Anon why must you hurt me so?

>>168968332
>>168968332
didn't japs bitch about the game being too fast?

why didn't konami just have a duel masters esque ban list instead
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>>168968452
RIGHT HERE
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>>168968429
Seeing how XYZ don't have levels, period, and level effects can't touch them, I rule Links don't have DEF so this effect won't do shit to them.
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>>168968545
Mill yourself, Marzepan.
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>>168968545
WHAT THE HELL IS THAT THING
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>>168968456
>people constantly complained about Zoodiacs, Lawnmowing and floodgates
>instead of hitting any of those, cripple everything instead
>and THEN shill a new Summoning method that's currently shit
>shitters STILL won't be able to beat the decks they bitch about
>everyone gets their pet deck neutered
>the current meta remains the meta
>and everyone ultimately loses

Solid proof that shitters and Rat ruin everything.
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>>168968727
why would you ever compare me to that person?
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So now that the new rules thoroughly and completely shits on pendulum like nothing else.
Can they unban each and every pendulum card now?

What's even the point in keeping them banned if they can no longer do anything?
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>>168968875
Mental trauma and lingering bitterness, with a dash of malicious attitude.
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>>168951381
I told you that pendulums on the extra deck were extra deck monsters.
And yet you kept yammering about how the previous snipped "defined" extra deck monsters differently even though it did nothing of the sort.
And here is the proof. Cards in the extra deck are extra deck monsters. Just like monsters in the main deck are main deck monsters.
Their relative origin matters over their initial origin. Glad this settled that debate.
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>>168968875
UNLIMIT ME!
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>>168969184
Are Qliphorts the deadest of the dead after Links?
They seriously need to make some Pendulum specific or perhaps even Qliphort specific Links to salvage them.

Actually. Wouldn't surprise me if they make some kind of Link monster(s) that use pendulum monsters as materials and then support pendulums somehow. Otherwise it would just be hilarious. To just shit on pendulums wholesale like that and just leave them behind.
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>>168962686
>ABC SS isn't a Fusion Summon
Wait so can I summon buster to the regular monster zone?
So I can just summon tsukuyomi to the extra zone and summon buster to the main zone?
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>>168969184
>full power Qli unplayable because of the Extra Zone rules
>Demise Qli BTFO by the Pendulum Zone re-location
JUST
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>>168969315
>Cannot Special Summon Monsters, except "Qli" monsters.
It's literally Qliphort Links or Dead.
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>>168967207
fucking retard
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>>168969184
So you can have a literally unplayable deck?
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I know that Synchros had a really hard time competing after the introduction of Xyz. But at the very least they could still do Synchro plays.

What the fuck Konami? Introducing and shilling Pendulums for an entire era of the game, and then just fucking over the entire mechanic like that?
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Will Fabled finally get support?

>>168968753
I really wish they'd have an open q&a about this so we can understand outside of the obvious cashgrab and shoehorn why they did this
I tried playing sharks and its fucking hilarious b/c if i do anything I have to make an xyz first then remora then tribute the xyz and I basically get nowhere.

>>168969612
this shits on synchro too tho
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>>168969612
The worst part is that killing the backrow would've been enough, since the Pendulum decks worth a damn like setting lots of backrow, the only one getting away with not having persistent backrow being Memes and OEM, both of which are MC archetypes (both of which are also hardcore restricted).

The second change hurts every pendulum deck except for specific builds of Zefra, DDDs, and some builds of Normal Pendulums. There was no reason to go that far.
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>>168969673
>this shits on synchro too tho
Not any more than it shits on Fusion or Xyz.
But Pendulum monsters are not on the same level as Extra Deck monsters. Their entire thing was stacking recursion and they no longer have that.
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game is kill
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Didn't all this do is power up non Extra Deck using decks like Kozmo and Monarch.
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>>168967207
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>>168968545
Dinosaurs are shit, fuck off with this meme
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>>168969906
>dinos are shit
epic
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Post hidden link casualties
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>>168969851
I really wonder how post-Links Kozmos will do.
Most non-targeting, non-destruction effects came from the extra deck.

Granted that people will still be able to summon Ignister or whatever in their one EMZ.
Oh wait. Ignister needs a Pendulum, and who the fuck will play Pendulums now?
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>>168969954
>no dinos on board
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>>168969954
>Extra deck
What year are you living in?
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>>168969954
Where's your links bro?
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>>168969954
What about post-linksu?
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>>168970018
>laggia isnt a evolved dino
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>>168969851
Yeah more or less. I want to hope that this is the precursor to more Ritual decks and Boss Monster decks, but I feel like it'll only be terrible until some fucktard at Konami decides to print some busted Link that gives you 20 Linked Zones and draws 7 cards and fucks your opponent's mother in the ass and negates all of their summons and then we'll basically be back where we started.

What I'm saying is fuck Shaddolls. It's been 2 years and I'm still mad.
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>>168969954
I see an illegal board
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>>168970076
>evolution summons
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>>168969954
>no links
yea no fuckk your peenus weenus of a board
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>>168970076
>tfw no rank-up magic to turn evolzars into wyrms
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>>168970139
>Inherent -1 summoning method unless you happen to open 5 Pendulums.

NICE GAME YUGIBABS
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>>168970126
>evolution summons
OH SHIT
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Its time for Rituals shine!
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>>168969954
Share that cardback.
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>>168970260
i can't to destroy that cunny with my peeeeenus weenus but ofcourse haha! :D
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>>168969976
We hardly knew ye
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>Pendulums can only summon 1 monster from the Extra Deck
>Unless you magically amass a bunch of Link monsters
>In which case you only have three zones left to summon to
R
I
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>>168970262
i gotchu
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>mfw ritual pendulums STILL havent been released yet
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>>168970489
kill yourself pussy
how about you shove a ritual peenus weenus up your ass you fucking :D emoticon loving fuck
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>>168970360
>when you minus to set your scales so you can minus to make your links probably expending your pend summon
>when you're now vulnerable to having your Link popped on top of already worrying about TwiTwi or Cosmic
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>>168970360
>It is actually impossible to do a 5-monster Pendulum Summon unless you have Decode talker out and 3 monsters in your hand.
>Can't 5-man revive anymore
The fuck was even the point, Konami?
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For pendulums sake, I hope that the Link3 monster(s) with directions 1, 2, and 3, is pretty damn good.

Still though. This is pretty ridiculous.
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>>168970550
i got your ritual dangus right here
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So when did the KONAMI HATES SYNCHRO meme start? Yang Zing? I honestly didn't think they were that bad, did I miss something about them?
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>>168970601
I have a feeling they will eventually end up releasing a continuous Trap or something that allows you to summon ED monsters into the zone above it. Probably have an insane cost to activate it too.
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>>168970667
it's not a meme
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>>168958406
Who's this sexy eating a pizza
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>>168970667
>So when did the KONAMI HATES SYNCHRO meme start? Yang Zing?
ZeXal. Xyz.
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>>168970667
There were like 2 Synchros released in all of ZeXal era, most Synchros since Quasar have been mediocre at best, and in Arc-V era Synchros got the least support out of literally every major summoning method. Even Ritual got more monsters than them, and fucking GEMINI of all things was hot on their heels.
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>>168969976
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>>168951593
>The first spellbook support was released over 13 years ago. Feel old yet?
Idiot.
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Let's be grateful they didn't rule popped Pzone cards get graved now.
I see a wave of new Link Monster support you have to buy just to use your old Pendulums coming but it won't be for a long time. Konami wants to push new product and decided to kill old product a little to do so. Just gotta deal with it.
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>>168970579
>when you're weaker to a drive by Titty Twister just because you have your scales set
Good job bluffing nerd
This is what you get for playing pends I guess
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>>168968452
>>168968545
>>168969954
What can Dinosaurs even do except spam Xyz monsters? Will they be good for anything once Links arrive? Ultimate Conductor is great but if the rest of the deck can't do its job he's kind of out of place.
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>>168970667
end of 5ds plot
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>>168970812
>There were like 2 Synchros released in all of ZeXal era,
And the only Fusion archetype that we had after GX and before ARC-V was Gem Knights, so what? It's just Konami loving Xyz.
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>>168970831
There's a very specific archetype called "Spellbook" you braindead moron.
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>>168970667
it's not a meme. outside of the obvious limitations to them to have space to promote xyz they have been continually shitting on them since zexal
even the support they do get pales in comparison to other things.
They got very little support comparet do everything else. The new ones take more to summon than Xyzs do and yet are considerably worse.

RDA was actually a pretty average speed deck if you used resonators and the "king" cards along with a Red Warg or three, some teched shit, Red Nova(the tuner) and such but now thats down the shitter too.
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>>168970667
Since Evilsawrm came out desu
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>>168970776
Main female protagonist from Pokemon Sun & Moon
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>>168970929
Of which Book of Secret Arts is a member, look it up. It's in the same bag as how Celtic Guardian is somehow part of the Noble Knights.
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>>168970869
nothing
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>>168970869
1 VFD or 1 laggia turn one is plenty enough to fuck links
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>>168970985
>秘術の書
Where in that do you see 魔導書
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Why Links when we could have something new and cool like "Extra Deck" Equip Monsters with their own special Deck?
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>>168970985
>Madōsho = Spellbook
>Book of Secret Arts = Hijutsu no Sho
Yeah, sure, it is a Spellbook card
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>>168970985
Because 1 is named Celtic Guardian of Noble Arms. A celt makes more sense than some french skank being a part of the King Arthur archetype.
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>>168971128
Literally my mom's claw of hermos.
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>>168971167
i didnt know your sister was a noble knight
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>>168970667
Right around the time of Infernities fagging everything up.
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>>168971287
Hey, don't insult anon's sister. I'm sure she's British or something nice.
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>>168971442
she can get the D/D/Dick either way
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>>168971960
she boot too big for she gotdamn feet
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>updated link summoning article still doesn't explain if you can use tokens or not
JUST
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>>168969612
I was mad when my Black Horn errata'ed to push Pendulum. They will do this every time.

>>168970098
Free construct
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Obligatory "why do them darkies play Yugioh instead of MTG: The Gathering??"
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>>168972369
Niggas love anime
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>>168972367
>when my Black Horn errata'ed to push Pendulum
That was just the TCG being dumb with having crappy translations. In the OCG it was never erratad.
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The way they ruined pendulums seems to prove that you can use pendulums and therefore tokens to make links.
BUY BLACKWINGS.
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>>168969954
>not VFD Nat Beast Laggia
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>>168972369
-The rules are less binding, ie the going limit rule is one normal summon per turn vs one land per turn. The one land limits how many cards you can play per turn, where as in yugioh, you still have hand traps, spells and traps. The "One monster per turn" rule is easily broken, far easier and more widespread than "More than one land per turn"
-The game is more stylish. The cards have more bling to them, and most decks play like ANT.
-The game is easier to steal than mtg
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>>168972752
>-The game is easier to steal than mtg

I see what you did there
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>>168972752
>The game is easier to steal than mtg
?
do Magic players keep their deck boxes in steel cases or something?
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At least Black Rose is good now, r-right?
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>>168972752
ANT is cancer though
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>>168972369
What is worst? Banning entire sets/using manas like Magic or summon only one extra deck monster/using links like neo-YGO?
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>>168973068
Is that Tori Meadows?

>for the first time in the series, the main female protagonist is a loli instead of an ugly old hag

>super sexy and slutty, far sexier than the old hags before her

?
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>>168973813
>Tori Meadows
I swear I've seen a pornstar with the exact same name
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>>168973813
That's Mizuki Kotori, yes
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>>168955846
Ritualfags here, I am so happy the new cards are BLUE, AND my beloved Ritual archetypes and staples are now more practical and spammable than ED methods!

I wonder how Fusionfags feel... their method is still shite outside Contact Fusion, Graveyard Fusion, and heavy Fusion Spell support. They're still cucked like the rest of the ED methods, right?
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>>168974293
Did at least she get the MC's semen?

I didn't watch her anime since it looked horrible and from what i heard it was horrible too.

But in the Legacy of Duelists game, she had a lot more interaction with the MC than the previous ones.
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>>168974449
>Did at least she get the MC's semen?
She did.
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>>168974449
Zexal I can be hit or miss, but Zexal II is worth the watch. Unlike 5Ds and Arc-V, it starts out eh but gets considerably better as time goes on.

Her and Yuma are probably more openly close on-screen by the end of it than Yusei-Aki or Yuya-Yuzu, that's for sure.
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>>168974449
One of the last lines of the show is her telling Yuma she loves him, as they hold hands and fly off into the sunset

To fight an unknown evil with the rest of the cast, but still
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>>168957063
If you put Rituals in he Extra Deck, like a lot of Ritualfags wanted, then you'd just get the Synchro mechanic, with some Fusion-like elements. Basically it's just adding levels up (the same as Synchro), even the more modern usable Rituals require exact Level matching. Just swap out the Ritual Spell for a Tuner and you have Synchro.
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>>168974449
Her character basically amounts to saying the MC's name every episode due to her VA's contract requiring her to appear in every episode of the show.
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Why do people like Ritual cards so much?
I can understand not liking the extra deck. But I have a hard time understanding why one would like the Ritual cards.

The very idea of having two cards who don't work without each other. In a card game with randomized draws. And where you also ultimately have to pay a cost to play said two cards even if you managed to draw both of them.
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>>168974656
>I can understand not liking the extra deck.

I can't. What's the problem?
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Why is the org using these images for everything?
What do they mean?
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>>168974679
It's different. And the extra deck works independently from the main deck.
Some people aren't fond of that inconsistency. It's like an outside element affecting the game.
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Doro! Monsta Cardo!!
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>>168974679
Making the game rely on an easily and always accessible toolbox is bad. Especially since some decks can access it much easier compared to others.

>>168974785
フラゲ short for Flying Get (フライングゲット), which basically means getting a product before the release date, and thus spoilers.
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I know this happens in other games but why is yugioh the only card game I have played that consistently fucks over a wide range of things rather than dealing with the issue?

Duel masters is a bit different since your main resource is mana/lands but there are quite a few ways to
a) speed up your generation of them
b) reduce costs
c) outright play things for free

But these things don't necessarily mean you are instantly winning.
When resource abuse, mill, or whatever goes to far if a particular combo is the problem they may reduce both cards usage to 1, prevent you from having bothcards in a deck, or whatever else to slow down or neuter a combo.

Yugioh just says fuck the whole game lets restart shit. But this time they took it to an extreme with it. I guess they don't care about backlash but whats up with this?

>>168974940
so basically xyz
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>>168974876
now do it with passion this time ya cynical fuck
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Is she too easy to out these days? Or is she still viable?
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>>168975008
>Yugioh just says fuck the whole game lets restart shit

Perfectly summed up for me why MtG is always gonna be better than Yugioh (didn't realize it before)
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>>168975080
>Maiden with Eyes of Blue
>Maiden

>"too easy"

Hmmmmmm.
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>>168975080
Do you like The Lightning punches?
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>>168975080
did you really need to ask or just wanted pic
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>>168974679
It's less a problem with the extra deck itself, and more with how your extra deck is almost always mostly generic monsters. It means decks generally always have the same win conditions, they just get there a bit differently.
Making archetype bosses actually better than their generic equivalents would solve many of the issues with YGO's extra deck.
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>>168974449

Jaden literally became one with his girl

think about that
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>>168975346
>girl
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>>168975341
>t means decks generally always have the same win conditions, they just get there a bit differently.

fucking this
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>>168975341
>Making archetype bosses actually better than their generic equivalents would solve many of the issues with YGO's extra deck.
That's what Zoodiacs did and everyone hates them
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>>168969353
>>168969315
I think they have already established rather explicitly that Link Monsters use monster cards to summon themselves.
But a Link 2 Monster that consumes the pendulum scales to summon itself would be pretty great for pendulums. Considering their current predicament at the very least.
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>>168975568
Among other things, one problem there is that the Zodiacs themselves are generic. I wouldn't call them 'better' than anything, though. Their problem is their ease of use, otherwise their effects (outside of the Rat) are pretty tame.
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I think I'm finally ready to embrace something wonderful. What should I know before trying to run Gusto?
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>>168975341
What if the extra deck was hidden from the opponent
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>>168975712
You should know that the deck is dead because Links
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How many link monsters will be in cotd?
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>>168975865
Exactly 8 so that Tewart can make all of them secret rares.
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>>168975865
There won't be anything good in cotd anyway.
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I am once again really glad that I gave up on cardboard a long time ago.
But I can't stop thinking about all the people who got into / got back into the game because they thought pendulums looked fun and or interesting. Bought the pendulum structures and or got the pendulum cards or whatever.

This must sting pretty bad for them.
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>>168975865
Looking at set numbers, a lot
They kind of have to release a ton of them given how important they're going to be.
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>>168976006
>There won't be anything good in cotd anyway.
What makes you say that?
Duelist Alliance had the Satellarknights, Shaddolls, and Burning Abyss among others.
Granted that the Burning Abyss were TCG exclusives.
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>>168976016
Why? You can still play Pendulums just fine. Buy the starter deck for a couple of Links and you're set if you just play casually.
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Do you think Yusaku will use any Synchros, Xyz, or Fusion?
Or do you think it will just be Links on Links?

I am wondering because I imagine that they would make a big deal out of how Link Monsters creates EMZs.
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>>168976384
He'll get a Link Xyz version of Decode Talker.
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>>168976382
>Why? You can still play Pendulums just fine.
No. No you really can't.
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>>168976453
Explain how you can't.
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>>168976384
He will use Links to allow a lesser form of Synchro masturbation.
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>>168976541
>can only pendulum summon pendulum monsters from the extra deck to emzs
Should be pretty self explanatory. They can no longer rely on making any comebacks with destroyed pendulums. And if their scales are destroyed they can't even get them back.
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>>168975712
Welcome to the fold, brother.

The first thing to realize is that, unfortunately, pure Gusto aren't that hot anymore thanks to non-battle destruction/bouncing/etc and negation being rampant. You can still make use of it though, and the best way to play them IMO are with Speedroids tossed in.

You get the speed of a modern Synchro deck with the advantage of Gusto synchros and sustainability at your back. And cute girls.
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>>168976715
are you retarded?
only extra deck cards like fusions/synchro/links/xyz go in EDMZ
pendulums will be able to do the same shit since they aren't any of that.
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>>168976830
oh you poor innocent soul
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>>168976541
Just take a look at just about any Pendulum Deck or archetype.

Let's say the new Magicians for instance. They literally rely on destroying their own scales and or monsters to activate their effects. But it's fine since you can just pendulum them back. Except that you no longer can't.
They're dead.

But what about Majespecters? They rely tributing their monsters to activate effects. But it's fine since you can just pendulum them back. Except now you can't.
They're dead.

How about Qliphorts? They rely on swarming the field for tribute fodder, tributing said cards to activate effects. But it's fine since you can just pendulum them back. Except now you can't.
They're deader than dead. You can't even summon Link Monsters with a Qliphort scale in the scale.

But what about EMEm or Dracopals? Same idea. They stack the extra deck so that they can swarm the field for extra deck materials. Except now they can't swarm the field with pendulums, and even if they did they can no longer use them for their extra deck monsters.
They're dead.

The only Pendulum decks who are relatively unaffected by this are the ones who only rarely pendulum summoned in the first place. Like DDDs and whatnot.
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>>168976830
>are you retarded?
Are you?
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>>168976830
>since they aren't any of that
They are when they're in the extra deck.
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>>168977197
>Are you?
idk, are you?
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Pendulums will probably get a Link monster made from 2 Pendulums and has 3 bottom arrows, so you can get out at 3 ED Pendulums in your PSummon
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>>168977353
>2 Pendulums and has 3 bottom arrows
Nah. The number of arrows are always equal to their Link "level".
Meaning that 3 bottom arrows would need to be Link 3. And requiring up to 3 monsters to make.
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>>168977479
Oh yeah, forgot about that.
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>>168972318
You can use tokens. Just like you can use pendulums.
The wording is the same as for for synchro summoning. And you can use tokens and pendulums for synchro summoning.

Yes one Gofu can give you double spider.
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>>168976715
>>168977123
Pendulum Monsters are not Extra Deck Monsters, which is why they're placed Face-Up on top of the Extra Deck.
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>>168955947
Metalfoes weren't a fluke.
But a frequent mistake that Konami kept doing, again, and again with Pendulums. Is that they kept doing strong monster effects with really mediocre pendulum effects. When it should always have been the other way around.
Respectable pendulum effects and mediocre monster effects.
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>>168977787
Pendulum Monsters are Extra Deck Monsters when placed on the Extra Deck.
See >>168951381
https://ygorganization.com/sorrypendulums/
https://ygorganization.com/reallypendulumswereverysorry/
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>>168977787
The new rule doesn't care. New rule makes it so that monsters inside the extra deck, face-down or face-up, usual special summon or through card effects, can only be summoned to the EMZ and Linked Zones.
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We won't get any new card reveals before March will we?
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>>168979305
that's a shame
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>>168975712
>>168976826
>Gustos
Weren't these murdered by E-Tele to 1?
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>>168980680
Sort of. Not being able to turbo Pilica from the deck reliably hurts, but Speedroids make up for it. Creature Swap shenanigans never get old, either.
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Been away from the game for a while, about a month I think. What's with this new extra deck zone rules? So basically we can only summon maximum of 2 monsters from extra deck now? RIP synchro masturbation and r4nk xyz
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>been farming Kaiba for a month now
>still no BEWD
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>>168981030
>What's with this new extra deck zone rules?
Konami's Yakuza overlords want to shut down the last non-pachinko moneymaker by making nobody want to play the game.
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>tfw tons of unfinished CaC but most of it is completely invalidated by Links so you don't feel like finishing it
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>>168981462
>revival-based synchros
>invalidated by links
Anon...
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>>168981572
Those are some of the few that weren't.
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>>168980786
Wind witches help too
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>>168954352
Play kaiju
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how expensive is a good DM deck? can someone give me a deck list to try out?
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>>168962408
>>168962458
>>168962572
>>168962823
>All these people STILL assmad about my bro The Lightning
You mad little white and purple card boys?
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>was incredibly happy about the new mechanics
>realize one of my favourite decks, igknights, are shafted by this
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>>168969976
>lose 1 turn
>rescuecat

damn how did I never notice this before
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So what would happen if one used Darkness Approaches on a Link Monster? As far as I have read, being face up or down isn't included in defining a Battle Position. Would its Link ability get "turned off" like normal effects of other monsters that get flipped face down? I would guess Extra Deck monsters summoned in Linked Monster Zones stay on the field, but any Linked Zones not occupied by the player will become useless until the Link Monster gets flipped face up again. Is that right, or am I looking at this the wrong way?
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>>168982780
Doesn't work
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>>168982780
Link Monsters do not have Levels, Ranks, DEF points and they cannot be put into Defense Position or Face Down.
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>>168982470
>was incredibly happy about the new mechanics
>most of my favourite decks use main deck boss monsters like Spooky Skeletons and True Dracodicks

It does suck that pendulum got slaughtered though. Especially if it turns out you can't make Links out of them.

I'm not sure if I'd prefer Pendulums and Tokens being able to make Link monsters or not
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>>168982870
Is whether or not it is Face Down or Face Up part of defining a Battle Position then? Or are Link Monsters officially ruled as card that can never be Face Down either.

From what I have seen, it can only not be Face Down in Defense just because that is a Defense Position. Face Down Attack Position does not seem barred though as the Link Monster would still be ib Attack Position as its Battle Position, just Face Down.
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>>168982470
>only irl decks I have are uncompleted OEM and RR from 4-5 months ago
>they're both fucked
I just like Odd-Eyes and now I have no idea how I'm going to play him.
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>>168982881
>tfw ojamas could be a legitimate threat
the idea of using country to make link monster's defenseless as well as cockblocking their link spots just sounds too beautiful
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>>168983150
>inb4 ojama country doesn't affect them.
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>>168983123
It can't be Face Down at all, as far as I'm aware.
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>>168983217
i would actually be pretty pissed if that ends up happening, seems very possible too since they don't even have a defense stat listed
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>>168983290
The card says "original attack and defense"

If it doesn't have a defensive stat you can't switch it, duh
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>>168981462
CaC is autistic
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>>168983478
i know, but i'm still hopeful that it'll cockblock them, even if it is highly unlikely
at least the idea of being able to lock out the link monster zones seems more realistic, unless they errata every single mention of "monster zone" to be "main monster zone"
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>>168982780
>So what would happen if one used Darkness Approaches on a Link Monster?
nothing at all since konami said they can't be put FD
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>>168950109
Reminder if you're not playing kaijus, fuck off this board and go to the duel links thread where you can be a slow deck shitter.
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>>168983672
And so are you, but that doesn't mean I won't support you through your hardships, anon.
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>>168983150
Country wouldn't affect them, since they have no DEF stat to swap with ATK.

But even so blocking Linked monster zones would be a dick move, even if you can't seal the Extra Monster Zone. You'd effectively be limiting them to one extra deck monster anyway, especially if you chain Trio once they summon a weak Link monster.
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>>168983806
>Kaijus
>Fast
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>>168984206
You can use tokens to link.
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>>168984320
Ojama King doesn't use tokens.
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>>168984365
>especially if you chain Trio once they summon a weak Link monster
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You know what the worst thing about he new rules for me is? We actually have to use the game mats now (no more playing casual duels on just a table or bench) and can't move cards around for convenience.
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What are some archetypes that were literally made for links?
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>>168983686
>unless they errata every single mention of "monster zone" to be "main monster zone"
From http://www.yugioh-card.com/japan/howto/new_master_rule/
>モンスターゾーンは「メインモンスターゾーン」に名称変更
>Monster Zone renamed to "Main Monster Zone"
Seems like this affect every mention of Monster Zone in card effect too, just like how "select" errata'd into "target".
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Post yfw Viper and Barrage to 0 and Rat to 2 before the week is out.
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>>168984987
shut it carlos
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Can T.G. Hyper Librarian go to 3 now that synchro spam is no longer practical?
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>>168985157
Why would you even run 3 now anyway? 2 max in decks that can revive him consistently, but I doubt 3.
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>>168985157
Synchro spam is actually one of the least hindered things due to its focus on graveyard revival.
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>>168985284
That's exactly why it can go to 3 no problem, nobody would ever use them.

>>168985315
If you revive it from the graveyard that Librarian is pointless.
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>>168985284
Maybe anon just really likes drawing cards.
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>>168985157
Gofu SS Token change into Missus Radiant.
Proceed to Librarian and Sohaya.
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>>168985157
lots of things can go to 3 with the change on the banlist but my guess is it'll we'll be right back at day 1 extra deck spam in no time. People kept saying it took synchro and XYZ 3ush years to get good but the same year pendulums got revealed we got qli and then monkeyboard and friends in 2016.
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>>168985392
Gofu tokens are DARK

>>168985376
Not really, since if you manage to sync with 2 Librarians out it's probably a Formula so you draw 3 and make Cosmic Blazar
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So how long until we see Link-2 monsters with materials like '1 Synchro Monster + 1 Effect Monster' or '1 Fusion Monster + 1 Monster'?
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>>168985469
Change it into Link Spider first, retard.
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>>168984320
Source? I didn't think it had been confirmed or denied yet.
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>>168985469
>Gofu tokens are DARK
People already noticed you can turn each token into the Spider link, then make Missus

People are already figuring out Link climbing, so much for it slowing the game down.
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>>168985578
Well spell it out the combo then nigger, how was I supposed to know you went into Link Spider. Also that's two ED slots shit's gonna get cramped.
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>>168985574
Have you ever seen Xyz monster with "1 A + 1 B" material?
No?
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>>168985652
>Tokens -> 2 Link Spider -> Misus Radiant
Are you really this retarded?
This is just as obvious as Terror into Rat.

>Also that's two ED slots shit's gonna get cramped.
Did Reaper teach you nothing?
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>>168985668
That's something I wish we had gotten.
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>>168985668
I guess not? Later Xyz monsters like Utopia Kaiser have some pretty odd summoning restrictions, though. I don't see why Links would be exempt from something like that, especially since Synchro and Fusion have their fair share of such things and Link is basically Contact Fusion.
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>neo new synchro spam decks start wasting 3-4 ed slots just on links, cramping it even more
Now when I kaiju the Quasar, they REALLY won't have any choice but to surrender.
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>>168985584
Inference from the killing of pendulums. If pendulums can be used there is no reason why tokens couldn't be used.
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>>168985834
Even Utopia Kaiser use multiple monster with the same condition.

>and Link is basically Contact Fusion.
Nah.
Read the new rule carefully.
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>>168985993
Can't Kaiju my Quasar in EMZ when I have full MMZ.
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>ここまでPけなすならEM返せよ
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>>168986126
>Senet Switches it to main monster zone
What now, magic man
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>>168986046
>send multiple monsters meeting the requirements to the graveyard
>summon link monster
...?
The only real difference between the two is the fact you can use Links as more than one material for the summon.
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>>168986236
>move 1 monster on your side of the field
Did I need to comment on how my MMZ is full?
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>>168986236
>senet switch affecting opponent's monster
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>>168986253
They're synchro without tuner.
And if you don't really understand the difference between synchro without tuner and contact fusion, you really need to brush up your ruling.
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>>168985735
Not really since it's been three days max since we got links. But no need to get all worked up nigga.
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>>168986425
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>>168986494
That's why you should THINK before you post, retard.
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non-Link Monster cards making linked Zones when?
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Even if Ojama King or cards like Ground Collapse can't block the EMZ, they can block the zones below your opponent's EMZ, effectively fulfilling the same purpose.
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>>168986221
TRANSLATE IT WEEBS!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-8Fj0Vttg4
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>>168986682
Ojama king completely fucks up the EMZ since it blocks three.
But you can get around Ground Collapse by changing the Link monster since you can use Link monster to Link.

But you can get around both by changing your EMZ. It's still not confirmed whether you actually can though.
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>combos I don't know doesn't exist!
Glad to know you're still the same stupid fuck, /dng/.
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>>168986682
>make castel
>continue combo
great lock m8
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>>168986490
It's not a Synchro without a Tuner, because levels are an important aspect of Synchro Summoning and they don't come into play at all. If you're aware of the rulings on this, then what's the difference exactly?
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>>168986490
>level independent summoning method
>"it's like synchro"
okay anon
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>>168987354
>>168987357
to summon a link 3 monster
either 3 non-Link/Link 1 monsters
or 1 non-Link/Link 1 monster and 1 Link 2 monsters
seems like synchro stuff to me
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>>168987354
>>168987357
Contact Fusion is not a Fusion summon.
Then there's the gimmick of being able to use face-down monster to contact fusion.
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>>168986570
You where pretty stupid assuming everyone would figure it out without the extra step.
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Post your petdecks and discuss whether or not Links kill them?


>Glad Beasts
Maybe? It's not like they endlessly shit things out.
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>>168987618
It's pretty obvious and people has been saying the combo since the day after Link.
As obvious as BriFu into Yazi.
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>>168975712
>>168976826
>>168980680
>>168980786
>>168981657
Wait a minute. Don't Gustos have no wincon? I tried them back when E Tele got hit and couldn't even figure out how to win with them.
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>>168987749
I know but look where you are.
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After a few tests, I say as much as Pendulums were affected, considering how everyone got slowed, it isn't as big of a problem as I anticipated.

Basically, same thing with all others: shift strategy a bit to use link summoning, which will give the spaces needed for pendulum summoning from extra. Also, there is still the possibility of pendulum summoning a bunch of monsters from the hand.
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>>168987797
Their wincon is sphreez burn damage
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>>168987545
I mean, I guess...?
I wouldn't say the fact you can be variable in the materials you use doesn't make it similar to Synchros by default. That's sort of like saying 'hm, I can discard Benten -or- two Level 3 Fairies for this Ritual Summon, seems Synchro-ish!'

>>168987560
What does Contact Fusing not being actual Fusion have to do with anything? The debate is about if you relate Link Summoning more akin to either Synchro Summoning or Contact Fusion. Or are you backing up our point? Going off of how the game works right now, you should be able to use face-down monsters as materials for a Link Summon just fine.
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>>168987865
It kinda fucks grammaton though
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>>168987639
Isn't Glad Beast just cycle through a single fusion and set 4? If so, they isn't affect by Link then.

>Metal Synchro
Dead as fuck.
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>>168987797
Summon Sphreez.
Crash Gusto floaters into something and repeat until your opponent is dead as fuck.
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>>168987932
>Basics of Link Summon #1: It uses face-up monsters on the field as materials.
What did I said?
Read the new rules.
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>>168988132
Okay, that's one thing I'm wrong about.
What else?
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I love True Kangz
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>>168988217
what happened to his eye?
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>>168988018
>Dark Magician

I told you you'd all see.
>keep telling yourself that
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>>168985065
What is the story behind this pose?
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>>168988187
That alone is enough.
Link is as similar to Contact Fusion as Xyz.
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>>168988217

We wuz Wyrmz and shit?
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>>168988268
That's his ear. The blue glowing thing under it is his eye which isn't nearly as intimidating as what you were seeing.
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>>168988336
Whatever sleeps your bleep, buddy.
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>>168987639
Last played in like Nov '15.
>Shiranui
>Speedroid Gusto

IT ALL RETURNS TO NOTHING
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>>168988356
I don't get it.
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RIP
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>>168988449
It's from this.
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>>168988449
At all.
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>>168987983
Grammaton is weaker but he still sets scales up instsntly
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>>168988497
Damn this doesn't work now.
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>>168987639
https://youtu.be/nRDuEvUJSZI
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>>168988443
Shiranui can still go safely into their synca, they just can't spam a lot now. There's always Omega for Mezuki spam though
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>>168983148
RRs might not be that bad actually.
If you can just get Ultimate Falcon out once you should be pretty good. And you can even revive it from the graveyard independently of your EMZs.
Meanwhile, your opponent will hopefully be struggling to come up with answers now that EMZs are a bitch.
Is what I am saying as I realize as I am writing this, that Decode Talker itself can go up to 3800 ATK.

Well. I guess they're fucked.
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>>168988359
>>168988132
>>168988187

Link is pretty similar my dudes. Gladiators can link summon in the exact same fashion that they play their deck normally, the only caveat being that their monsters will go to the graveyard. ABC monsters don't go to the deck but we still call that contact fusion. Link Summoning is more like a universal contact fusion with fewer restrictions on who gets to do it.
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>>168987865
The main problem of shifting your strategy to use Link summoning is the fact that you need to SS monster(s) before you Pendulum summon.
And Pendulum deck that can do that usually doesn't really needs their Pendulum summon anyway. Because you already summoned a bunch of monster.
And if you need an external engine to do that, it cut a lot of consistency. Not to mention that a lot of pendulum decks still need their NS.

Pendulum summon from hand is never viable since it's basically -2.
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>>168988507
Is there any context to it?
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Best Zoodiac TCG builds? I'm gonna play ranked on Devpro and so I can only use tcg shit.
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>>168988617
Cherries ;^)
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>>168988610
>mfw

>>168988497
>>168988589
>fusion summon something
>revive materials
>link them
It's still useful
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>>168988424
What will you be playing, hoka no boku?
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>>168988617
Decode Talker ban when?
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>>168988650
You can use face-down monster to Contact Fusion.
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>>168988714
Who would ever use Reaper on Ultimate Falcon in this day and age?
Or are you suggesting using Reaper on Decode Talker?
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>>168988702
It's manzai pictures that used to be posted on Arc-V's twitter. That Shun one was so crazy that it got a shitload of retweets and fanart as a result.
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>>168988662
Gofu
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>>168988753
And where do you put that Link monster, retard?
Above the fusion?
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>>168988497
I don't understand the card-art.
It looks like it's some Synchro fusion card, but it's just a crappy superpoly.
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>>168960896
TAIYOU SCAPHEGOST META WHEN
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Why do they hate white and orange/green cards so much? They hate Ritual,too since they just stole their color and slapped it on another method.

Konami is run by idiots and I hope Vrains flops hard and they barely sell cards because of this bullshit
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>>168988753
>fusion summon into EMZ
>revive
>EMZ clogged

well, technically you can summon Decode Talker this way though, although you have to give up on your fusion monster
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>>168988907
It is not enough.
Not enough.
Not enough.
Try again.
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>>168988612
What does Shiranui look like in the Glorious Future of 2017?
Last time I used them, they looked like this.
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>>168988876
The latter.
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>>168988919
>>168988991

Oh well. Bollocks.

Maybe link one of the mats with the fusion? Predaplants benefit from sending Rafflesia to grave.
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>>168988831
I know that, but the value of that is pretty semantic in this argument. It's one small difference, that's why I said Links is similar. Obviously a different mechanic would not be a carbon copy.
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>>168988937
the anime card revives one of the materials as a tuner
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>>168988336

What is the strongest meta deck built around the very strong Dark Magician (boy)?
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>>168988937
It's Xynchro Fusion.
Or Fuxynchro.
Don't forget the Xyz part.
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>>168989005
Never was a huge pendulum fan so I'll just leave it with Gofu.
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>people think tokens will be allowed to make links

Lmao
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>>168989072
Not just that, you could even change one of your revived monsters level to be the same as another of your revived monsters. The card was made so you could fusion,synchro and xyz off one card.
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>>168989010
3 cut thr Shutendojis and run 3 gozuki, one for one, a level eater, glow up, trishula, Naturia beast, beast of the pharaoh, 3 instant fusion, Norden and Sea Monster.
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>>168989179
is it even that broken? boohoo sohaya and scapegoat
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>>168988897
Hmm, I guess so, I didn't watch much of the anime, but it does look uncharacteristic of him to do a pose like that.
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>>168989010
>2 sword
ARE YOU READY TO BE SPOOPED?
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>>168989032
That semantic is what makes Link closer to being synchro though.

Contact Fusion do what the card told you to do, and can either tributes the material, sent it to grave, banish it, etc, as cost on top of that, when Link is just like synchro, sent the materials to grave through summoning mechanic.
The only similar thing Contact fusion really have to Link is the fact that it's pretty generic, and you can write it off as Link being a different mechanic.

Many of the mechanic on how they function differ.
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>>168989249
I actually had another build that ran Glow Up + Beast, but that's been lost to the sands of time with DN kicking the bucket.
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>>168950109

What the hell??

Why does Kaiba have a gun to his head? I thought this guy was just nicely pointing a finger at him in this scene
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>>168989308
Hell, you can count the amount of times Shun has smiled on one hand.
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>>168989179
>people think tokens will not be allowed to make links

Lmao
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>>168989406
In practice, guns are basically just shiny fingers.
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>>168958935
As a Zefra-only player, this kills me. Zefras can only win if they masturbate. They suck so much they literally have to to stand a chance.
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>>168989129
Then stop talking as if you know or care, you 400 ATK vanilla.
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Remember guys. Unlimited possibilities!
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>>168988617
>Decode Talker itself can go up to 3800 ATK.

Why would you summon a monster in its linked zone to give it that final 500ATK though? Wait, does that mean you get a free ED zone if you opponent summons this?
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Can someone tell me the fucking tag for Eidolon on those OCG sites? I want to check out some builds but everything is just Zoodiac shit.
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>>168989179
>people think tokens will be allowed to make synchros

Lmao
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>>168989568
Apparently, yes. Decode Talker gives your opponent an EMZ, but if they use it, Decode gains 500 atk.
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>>168989560
s-synchro climb in your one EMZ
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>>168989568
>Why would you summon a monster in its linked zone
I imagine that the more common scenario will be that you already have a monster in its linked zone for whatever the reason. And then they summon Decode Talker and link to it.

But I guess that will be a fairly rare occurrence in itself. Since people will most likely want to avoid that zone for last precisely because of this.

That said. Yes. Decode Talker gives the opponent an EMZ.
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>>168989605
You can search card's name, anon.

>>168989568
Dunno. Need ruling.

>>168989680
Stop saying unconfirmed shit as fact, retard.
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>>168954513
Black main, purple extra for shiranui
orange main and for pet dragunity blue-eyes
dark blue for pet gishki
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>>168989743
>That said. Yes. Decode Talker gives the opponent an EMZ.
STOP SAYING THIS.
IT'S UNCONFIRMED AND NOTHING INDICATING THIS IN CURRENT RULE.
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assuming we are link/synchro/xyz climbing, can we switch the EMZ?
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>>168989790
>Stop saying unconfirmed shit as fact, retard.
Not that guy. But how the fuck is it not confirmed? There is nothing ambiguous about it.
They have said absolutely nothing about an exception nor anything even hinting towards an exception.

Linked zones are linked. Linked zones become EMZs. Why would you ever assume that forward arrows work any differently than backwards or sideway arrows? They haven't said anything of the sort.
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>>168989790
>unconfirmed shit as fact
This is why I said apparently, because according to what we know, MMZ that has link markers pointing at them can be used as EMZ. And the rulings never specified your own MMZ, so as far as we know, it affects all players.
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>>168989943
>Linked Zones become EMZ
more like MMZ, which can be used as EMZ
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>>168989790
>unconfirmed shit
So you think the arrow is just for show then or what?
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>>168989943
>>168990005
See this picture.
Takes note that is Decode Talker.

Also, they said
>if you have Link monster, you can summon ED monster there
>if you have X, you can do Y
>if you HAVE X
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>>168989901
There'd be no point in the arrow pointing up if otherwise.
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Can we call the extra deck the bruise deck now? Because in a year's time the only decks you're gonna see are ones with just xyz and links in them. Synchro and Pendulum are dead and only a few fusion decks can survive without vomiting out 2 or 3 fusions.
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>>168990052
Yes. That just means that you can't summon monsters to your opponent's fucking field.
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>>168990036
>>168990087
For Decode Talker's ATK gain effect.
Why did you think the arrow is different when it points 1,3?
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>>168990123
>Why did you think the arrow is different when it points 1,3?
I don't. Which is why I asked why you seem to think they're different.
Never have they alluded to them being any different.
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>>168990115
No. That just means that you it doesn't fucking gives EMZ to your opponent.
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>>168990090
aren't xyz at a disadvantage as well outside of archetypes that don't shit on the mechanic via chaos xyz evolution since fusion and synchro can actually use other fusions and synchros to make themselves?
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thread where
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>>168990207
That it gives you EMZs that you can summon monsters to does in no way mean that it doesn't give your opponent an EMZ.
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>>168990198
I thought you are talking about this picture.
Decoder have arrow pointing up for his ATK gain effect.
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>>168990227
Alot, and when I say alot I mean every XYZ based deck outside of Zoodiacs and Clownblade/PePe. Usually XYZ once or twice then set 3.
Burning abyss can spit out shit for links so they might also not give a fuck about the ruling.
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>>168990341
or you could notice how the up arrow says "LINK!"
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>>168990304
That it gives you EMZs that you can summon monsters to does in no way mean that it does give your opponent an EMZ.
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>>168990394
>Burning abyss can spit out shit for links so they might also not give a fuck about the ruling.

Anon...
>>
so since psyframe omega returns and not special summoned from being banished, does this mean he can be placed into the EMZ or does he have to be placed into the MMZ?
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>>168990052
What are you trying to imply is a fallacy.
>if x, then y
doesn't imply
>if not x, then not y
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>>168990341
>clearly points out how all 3 zones become linked
>it has clearly been stated that linked zones can be used as emzs
Where is the room for doubt? They can clearly be used as emzs and nothing has opposed this idea.
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>>168990394
except a link causes every BA to selfdestruct
>>168990448
>ygopro STILL thinks it's a special summon
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>>168990289
Soon, looking for an image that accurately shows Synchros and Pendulums getting fucked. Yuma got fucked too, he can never make Future Numbers 0 Utopic Future with this
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>>168990398
Have I ever mention that the fucking arrow pointing 8 is different to the one pointing 1 and 3?

Decoder ATK gain effect does in no confirmed way correlates to EMZ.
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>>168990426
You are right. But the fact that Linked zones are said to be able to be used as EMZs kind of does mean that. Fairly explicitly so even
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>>168990528
It's only different because the monster zone is closer to it.
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>>168990430
>>168990492
Fuck how could I forget.
Oh well, Guess instead of double-triple dante it's 1 dante with 1 more facedown.
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>>168990469
What are you trying to imply is a fallacy.
>if x, then y
doesn't imply
>if not x, then y
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>>168990528
Wait, you mean because there is 2 arrows? You can't be serious. Tell where did you read that if there is only 1 arrow, it can't be used as EMZ.
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>0 Pyro-type Rituals
>0 Fish-type Synchros
>0 Thunder-type Pendulums
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>>168990528
>Have I ever mention that the fucking arrow pointing 8 is different to the one pointing 1 and 3?
The only difference is that it's slightly bigger?

Are you saying Link Spider/Gaia Saber and Honeybot don't open links since their arrows are the same?
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>>168990528
>Have I ever mention that the fucking arrow pointing 8 is different to the one pointing 1 and 3?
You kind of have. By implying that the arrows 7, 8, and 9 somehow don't give EMZs unlike arrows 4, 6, 1, 2, and 3.
As if 7, 8, and 9 somehow follow different rules than the other five directions.
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>>168990679
>0 Competitive synchro decks
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>>168990473
>>168990553
What they said is that if you HAVE Link monster, Linked zone connected to it becomes EMZ.
The rules mention nothing about interaction with opponent.

>>168990591
It's only different because it can't be used as EMZ.

>>168990657
Tell where did you read that if there is only 1 arrow, it can be used as EMZ

>>168990771
Different ownership imply different rules.
It's just that easy.
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>>168990717
I'm talking about the nip picture, not the card.
>>
>>168990638
I'm not implying that at all, do you even understand the basics of logic?
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>>168990857
>What they said is that if you HAVE Link monster
Actually, from what the org posted
>"You can also Special Summon monsters from the Extra Deck to Main Monster Zones pointed to by a Link Monster’s Link Markers."
It doesn't mention who possesses the Link
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>>168990857
>Different ownership imply different rules.
No it doesn't. Not automatically and without context.
From what we know, linked zones can be used as EMZs. That's all we know on the subject. Nothing has said that linked zones on the opponent's side of the field are exempt from the fact. And if that would be the case, they would need to go out and state that is the case.

But as of now, going by all the official sources and all that we know. Linked zones can be used as EMZs, period. That's how it works until implied otherwise.
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>>168990857
>Tell where did you read that if there is only 1 arrow, it can be used as EMZ
They literally said that if there is a link marker(arrow) pointing at a MMZ, it can be used as EMZ, retard.
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Why would front arrows be different from back arrows?
Why would one even assume that they'd be different?
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>>168990958
>I'm talking about the nip picture
What an arbitrary thing to base yourself on
>>
assuming I mind control Decode Talker from the opponent EMZ, do I have to place it to my EMZ, my MMZ or either?
>>
>people arguing over rules that havent even been released
stop being retarded and just make a new thread
>>
This is so dumb, holy shit is this so dumb. Why did they have to slap this bullshit ruling onto Link monsters? They'd still be the replacement without the extra deck ruling since they're even simpler to make than xyz, they don't need matching levels, just 2 or more monsters. That alone would of made people buy them.
>>
>>168991220
Link 2 monsters are weak as fuck compared to most 2 mats synchro, fusions and xyz
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>>168991207
it'd change monster zones naturally when changing control so i'd assume it would go to your mmz
>>
>>168990857
>Different ownership imply different rules.
The difference is that even if they become emz, they don't become -my- emz.
There is no contradiction.
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>>168990964
Fine.
X doesn't always equal to Y.
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>>168991207
We don't know yet. From what we know, you can use the MMZ, since extra deck monsters coming from the grave and ban can be summoned on MMZ.
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>>168990981
>>168991025
>>168991318
>>168991074
Fine then, I concedes.
This reminds me of last thread argument about how Pendulum isn't an ED monster, but whatever.
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>>168991310
that would be the balancing factor, duh
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>>168991362
I'm asking, because they HAVE TO be summoned to the MMZ

>>168991315
sounds like a reasonable argument
Interdimensional Matter Transporter and psyframe omega will most likely go to the MMZ to that reasoning
let's wait for rulings I guess
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>>168991163
Just like the text in a nip website?
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>>168991310
Don't worry, in a year's time they'll be stronger monsters than even Lighting, don't you remember the early synchros, xyz and pendulum cards?
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>>168990052
I really dislike the new art for the Dimension Dragons.
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>>168991415
Pendulum isn't necessarily an ED monster. It only is when it is in your ED, this is why you can summon synchros from your grave to MMZ without links, but you can't pendulum summon pendulums in your ED on to MMZs without links.
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>>168991213
>>people arguing over rules that havent even been released
But they have been released.
http://www.yugioh-card.com/japan/howto/new_master_rule/
>new_master_rule
Read it.
>>
>>168991627
This. Remember when people where using Gaia Knight and Pearl because they were one of the better cards of their respective Level/Ranks during their time.
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>>168991704
Yes, that is one of the argument used last thread.

Then there's also the fact that they specifically mention what ED monster consist of and Pendulum isn't one of it.
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>>168991745
> そのリンクモンスターが初収録される「スターターデッキ」発売日の2017年3月25日より、新マスタールールが施行されるぞ!
Read nigga.
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>>168991808
What, that was alread stated. Pendulums coming from ED can only be summoned into EMZ. But nothing was stated about pendulums out of ED, so we can assume the rules about them stays the same as they are now.
>>
>>168991960
>>168991960
>>168991960
new bread
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>>168991808
>they specifically mention what ED monster consist of and Pendulum isn't one of it.
They never said that these are the ED Monsters and they're the only ED Monsters.
They just said that Fusion, Xyz, and Synchro monsters are ED Monsters. They are. Nothing exclusive about the statement.
Pendulums just become ED Monsters when they are put on the extra deck. And are then subject to the same rules. Which has also been explicitly clarified by now unless there were still people who weren't sure.
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>>168991875
It says that those master rules will only be used after that date at the release of the new starter deck.

The new rules are already released, they are just not enforced yet.
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>>168991910
When I said argument in last thread, I mean before the whole rule about Pendulum is stated officially.
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>>168991875
What of it? It just says that the rules won't be enforced until after the release of the starter deck at the 25th of March.
They're still the same rules even if they aren't enforced yet.
>>
>>168992029
>>168992080
Not used is the same as not released anon.
That's not the point, anyway.
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>>168991808
And they also said to be careful that monsters IN the extra deck cannot be summoned from to the main monster zone.
Line below the the monster images.
>EXデッキから入れられたモンスターは、そのままではメインモンスターゾーンには出せないので注意しよう
>EXデッキから入れられたモンスターは
It was always vague with Pendulums even on the first spoilers.
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>>168991990
>Pendulums just become ED Monsters when they are put on the extra deck.
This is something that they never clarify until the new rules.
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>>168992128
>Not used is the same as not released anon.
It really is not.
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>>168992238
Exactly my point.
Thank you.
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>>168989074
>>168989074
Hard to say. I would imagine apprentice illusion magician would be out by the time links hits so run 3 of that and all dark magician major staples. Navigate at 2 is fine, and run 1-2 full force virus.
I like to run dmoc and dedication through light and darkness but it's likely better not to. Magician's hand spells are good too, especially the anti spell one.
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>>168992353
But it is.
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>>168992450
You can't be a native speaker if you actually think that.
They have issued the rules already. They're out in the open. They're public. They're avalable. They're released.

They just aren't enforced yet. It's not the same thing.
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>>168992596
>They're released.
But they aren't.
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>>168989790
>Stop saying unconfirmed shit as fact, retard.
Except the V-Jump spoilers specifically said you give your opponent a linked zone.

Do you get off on being wrong or something?
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