Roguelike General - /rlg/

first for wizlabs are dumb

Scatological RL when?
Should I make a Boogerman RL?

>splat my amberite archaeologist like a retard
They seem a bit like rogues, except they use crappy weapons instead of daggers. Better than I expected, at least.

Take pity on those who have forgotten the snozz, for the snozz has not forgotten them.

What perks should I pick as a OWH force user?

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I can improve.
I did luck out with a room full of panlords and one of uniques though.

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care to discuss?

>>168907798
>no ASCII
No

>>168906685

The correct way to play OWH is to take zero perks and no dvault.

whose face is that in the OP?

err why is there a pack of yaks on D:5?

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Pretty excited to try out the new god in trunk, even if he doesn't have the dancing weapons thing anymore.

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>>168911643
>ascended to divinity after battling their way out of the afterlife

>>168911643
Tactical martial arts straight outta cdda? Do want.

>>168911643
But the weapons where the cool part
Now everything is automated and ends up being "lol move around"

>>168913268
more like outta sil

>>168904603
elona
DF

*bezots aggressively towards u*

>>168911643
It actually happened. They added something fun.

I'm whirlwinding through Lair in spider form and everything around me withers and dies.

>>168914465
>moving is fun

>D3 Hippogriph
>not even 300 turns into D3
Is there a 33% chance of this happening or am I just that lucky?

>>168914595
The freest of freexp

speed 10, normal attacks, fat with low ac and ev, easily taken down with 1 combat consumable for 2 free levels at that point

I'm envious

>>168915390
>NaWn
I read-id'd teleport.

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>>168914587
yup

>>168911643
Offline trunk or experimental?

>>168916049
He's officially in trunk now, in the latest version at least.

>>168911643
>no dancing weapons
im piss

>>168915390

It isn't a freexp if you need to use a consumable

>>168916708
tummies are NOT for gentle

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>>168917227
Degenerates, the lot of you.

>>168907798
Item degradation is too much I think. I've only been able to beat shattered variant as a result. Part of this is me being a shitter but still, I don't see how it improves the game. It really sucks for things like rings as before you might consider putting one or two enchants into a good ring but now you need to save all of them for weapon and armour.
Also I think the item destruction mechanism is too harsh. Early on stepping on a flame trap can be game ending if you get unlucky and it takes out too many good scrolls.
But I still play it since there aren't many options for mobile roguelikes.

>Try to fight icky caves boss
>AC goes from 59 to 42 as he ruins half of my armor slots
fuck
time to look for more unruinable shit

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Hope your runs have been good anons and remember to take it easy and nice and slow! Check your options, your inventory, everything before you do anything and try not to splat!
And even if you splat, remember to learn from your splats and improve for later on!

>>168916278
consumables other than tele, blink, and haste don't matter

I wonder if an Ogre with GSC can attack at 1.0 speed while not having the required skill to swing it at 1.0 due to IJC whirlwind passives.

>>168918786
And what about a Centaur with a scythe?

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>>168918471
>learn from your splats
no
learning is for fags

>>168918786
No, the IJC attacks are scaled based on your weapon's attack speed.

>>168918189
You can enchant them back up in town.

>>168919689
Is it supposed to be several thousand just to get them back up to zero? Besides, I'd rather not have the exact same thing happen in 5 minutes.

>>168919795
if it's just random {good} shit then it's not worth it unless you're rich as fuck somehow

but if there are ego items you want to keep for a while then you might as well enchant them

and of course ammo/shooters scale incredibly well with enchantment so if you're ever playing an archer you should max-enchant your bow and a few arrows ASAP

>>168918471
fuck off dumb animeposter. Maj. Actaeon is a viable tank for anomaly and I refuse to think otherwise.

>>168920014
yeah I'm still trying to finish the marilith challenge
One of them gives me blindness resist, but the others are mostly useless aside from maybe 1 resist that I haven't seen any benefit from yet.

>>168920616
>marilith challenge
Old and busted.
The new hot stuff is doppelganger imitator now.

>>168919795
Angwil's paladin guild seems to be somewhat cheaper, but I tend to avoid doing icky caves until I have at least two pips of rAcid (or mainly egos/artifacts that can't melt) because it's still annoying.

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>ferret is nerfing Orb and other relics starting kits next update
fuck me lads. I think they're fine as is conceptually and it's just a few abilities like Ice Ring that are a bit too strong. If your anything but Orb, it can be really expensive to pick up new skills on the first few floors due to low a low amount of credits which prohibits character builds.

>>168921763
Acid resist (aside from immunity) doesn't actually protect worn armor from being damaged.

You probably still want at least double resist so ubbo doesn't destroy your entire inventory though.

>>168922886
Huh, it doesn't? I thought it was in the same type of category as potion shattering. Guess I just tend to have acidproof gear at that point.

Anyone here playing Tales of Maj'eyal? I just started playing, any tips you could give me? I'm totally new to the genre.

>>168923037
Nah acid has two separate effects. It reduces armor plusses regardless of resist (but is blocked by immunity or by Hephaestus parentage)
and it causes inventory destruction which IS blocked by resistance
if you ever played an archer with sub-65 acid resist you'll know what i'm talking about with the absurd about of arrows being destroyed whenever you get hit

>>168923182
do some/all of the low-level dungeons first before heading onto the tier 2 dungeons

i think the game gives you a quest to go to places like the maze or the volcano ASAP but you really shouldn't go there right after beating your first boss

>>168923182
Assuming your playing 4, what you want to do is do quite a few low level dungeons before moving on to tier 2. I would recommend Old Forest->Maze (If A variant)->Sandworm lair-> Maze (if B variant)-> Daikara for tier 2 dungeons. Maze B is very tough imo for magic users as the boss has a grappaling ability that will almost certainly stun and fuck you fuck more than the minotaur in Maze A.
Archmage is a really good class with lots of versatility and spells to choose from and is fun to play.

>>168923371
>>168923854

Alright I'll focus on tier 1 dungeons then. Playing a dwarf bulkwark atm (I know I'm boring, but I'm sure that's the easiest class for new players).

>>168924153
Grab a tier 3 shield (ideally with some elemental damage on hit) from Last Hope or Zigur as soon as you can.

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Did they make the jiyva temple appear more often?

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We ancient multi-hued dragons now son

>>168925181
cavalry? neato

>>168911643
The UNLIMITED BLADE WORKS version was a lot more fun.
Still decent.

>>168925181
what have they done to angwil anyway, it never was full of packs of mad bears how it is nowadays

>>168926543
Being able to jump from wall to wall to outsmart speed 10 monsters is pretty neat.

>>168920083
you mean well-fed actaeon

>>168922239
better download the current version now before he slaps every build with the nerf hammer

>>168926931
I think wilderness spawns just got cranked generally. You see it in other towns as well.

>>168926931
Angwil was always a death trap since I started 6 months ago

apparently it's too expensive to build a wall like with other towns, they'd rather just have phase spiders and ogres and bears all over the place

>>168928787
i see

>>168928798
i recall it was noticeably different in ~4.0.0 or so

>>168928138
I believe you mean well fed Artemis
What do you guys think of Ilombas? I've never bothered with them but going through the codex I realized that they look like decent front liners due to only weakness to light and decent spread of stats

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>start with faeire because they're rare and want a lifegiver faerie early on for Actaeon
>a lifegiver faerie spawns on T:2
this is the run lads. Never made it farther than Tower 15 but I can do this.

>>168929201
those are the snaeks right? I never bothered with them either

>>168907798
Is this the original version? I've been that far but no way picked up that many potions of healing.... or much of anything remotely useful to be honest

>>168926931
When I was a kid, this was a peaceful neighbourhood....

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>>168919392
>>168920083
No bully! Remember, take is slow and easy and dont bully other anons in here!

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>>168930857
i will never stop bully

Any tips for DrTm in DCSS?
I try to skip spider and ice forms to go straight for blade hands with some snake summons but I'm not sure if I'm being fucktarded in doing so.

I'm also putting points into DEX, baseline INT should be enough up to dragon form, right?
Maybe I should put points into STR instead if I eventually find statue form.

>>168931429
Dragonform cares only about str, not dex
statueform cares only about str, not dex
bladehands is the only tmut that gets damage from dex
and even for that str is equally as valuable as dex

felidragons are the best dragons

also... blade paws!

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GET FUCKED Viktard, first time successfully linking him. Arcadia also spawned so I'm going to have a memedancer and a memetank

>>168931145
You should!

>>168931594
Fuck I've just found out that STR is as important as DEX for aux attacks, I thought that only DEX mattered and also didn't check for the formular on anything but blade hands.

Thanks anon, at this point they might as well remove DEX.

>died to the variant maintainer's bugs after running out of potions
I have no idea how to start classes that have no options besides smashing their mediocre melee into monsters and hoping they come out victorious.

PCB:
If I have a unique mount, and then dismiss it, will I encounter it again later?

>>168933621
You can always shoot hydras/dragons for xp and then run away to not die.

>>168934129
Yes, but why not just capture ball it?

>>168933621
>have access to infinite teleportation
>have access to infinite potions
>die

that's my /rlg/

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Someone a few threads ago was saying that corpses aren't worth it due to the encounters being toughened up, however I got emit sparks and expel from corpses along with an Easg Saint so I feel that they're worth it to an extent. Feel like I'm lacking fire damage and resistance though so I'm a bit worried about Fotias going into anomaly

If I find an artifact early, doing its guaranteed spawn (dungeon boss or quest) generates a randart of the same type, right?

>>168935118
You should be OK in Anomaly with that party. Just dismiss whenever necessary.

>>168935384
Yeah. Especially useful with the phial since the original does nothing notable beyond saving an inventory slot.

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>>168935530
Indeed. I'm quite happy with my phial replacement for the time being.

Cloning pits dropped both ele branding gauntlets, which means killing Utgard-Loke may actually be worth doing.

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>>168935982
gee I wonder what's the secret in that vial of yours

>>168936308
Flinging it all over the room every fifteen turns seems tiring.

What the fuck is oUr SaNcTuM1!1?
I just found a sanctum on Anomaly 2 and I have never heard of it before. Whats the unique in there? I had to kill Python so I still only have Actaeon and Vikhor

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This new god is so fun.

Especially the heavenly cloud ability, that gives you +10 slaying and adds on more for every whirlwind attack.

>>168936774
It's just an odd place centered around a bunch of odd beings.

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>>168935982
Well, uh, rShards is nice.

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>>168937145
WHAT DA FUG.
>10 SP to fuck your party up
>10 SP for 100% lower your stats and deal a large amount of damage
>multiple of them in an encounter
The unique better be good.

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Fucking Paracelsus. Our Sanctum proved to be fucking shit since you can't recruit glitches or get their abilities.

>>168934509
PCB:
What kind of a ring carries a fucking backpack? I have a fairly active imagination and yet I cannot work this out. My inventory is different from my mounts, because I can be dropped and keep all my stuff. How can I be a ring mimic glittering in the morning sun carrying a ton of fucking weapons and armor, and nobody suspects a thing?

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>>168938836
I tried. Maybe the backpack is in the spirit realm?

>>168932187
if you don't have dex, you won't be able to dodge at all
If you don't have dex, you'll become the Heavyweight Champion instead of the Grand Master and the dex-titles are way cooler than those faggy strength based titles
Dragon form does too much damage anyway, you don't need more strength

>>168940685
I thought the grandmaster/featherweight/middleweight heavyweight/cruiserweight champion titles was based off race size rather than strength/dex levels.

huh, probably because I always level STR on pretty much every melee character.

>>168941112
Nope!
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/skills.cc#L64
there are some really great titles

>>168939621
anon, are those strawberries?
still, this theory works until you get picked up and put on someone's finger. Don't even get me started on how even a level 1 magical ring can be on someone's finger and still pull a stack of 24 iron spikes out from nowhere and start actively throwing them around, that's some serious magic.
Still 10/10 for effort on that diagram though.

>>168941319
My favorite has to be Chief of Staff.

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>>168938836
You disguise as some dead guy's stuff, and whoever picks you up also picks up your inventory because, hey, free loot.

How you drink potions in ring form is a secret.

>>168942224
anon, how did you know my ring is mounting a lizard king? consider me spooped.

>>168933621
did you not have any scrolls of TP
the solution to out-of-control breeder monsters is "literally walk away"
usally you just have to leave the room they're in, but if said monsters are Unmakers then you might wanna abandon the level instead

Anyone knows what is the best Titan's Fist start for cunning?
I want to make a pure debuff build, and I think soul armor would be the best upgrade to start with.

>>168936871
>powered by death for infinitehealth plus gold clouds for infinitedamage and infinitefog
sounds like a 10/10 combo for tablording

>>168942617
Pierce maybe?

>>168942349
everyone wants a lizard king husbando
they're tanky, good melee damage, +10 speed, and really easy to get as soon as you can cast "charm ring bearer"

>>168942617
I never really understood the appeal of soul armor since it costs credits and for the most part you end up about equal in strength pre-soul armor except with just reworked immunities/weaknesses and health. I find enemy lure to be better since it gets you an extra encounter per floor which adds up over time to lots of XP or new demons.

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>>168941336
looks like healing potions to me

On the one hand, relying on a rod with 50% fail chance was colossally stupid (even if it needed to fail ~8 times in a row to be a real problem), but on the other I think I knew that and kind of wanted to die.

Did that marilith winner decide on a new thing?

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[HEAVEN]

>>168943151
true

what is bezotting

>>168930680
it's vanilla 1.7.2a. Healings are farmable but dunno exactly in which patch it got introduced; flyes, vampires, some mages and other stuff make them more common past level 5

>>168938836
there are two options

a) like dnd's nondimensional pocket
b) when your mounts drop you they separate their stuff from yours and drop it too so you are laying in a pile of your stuff waiting for the next mount

>>168943447
People were pushing doppleganger imitator last thread and no one voice objection to it so probably that

>>168907798
is this a scroller or a what?

what's the hard part about marilith? isn't it a great race?

also, why haven't you uploaded your marilich on the ladder?

Anyone else playing CoQ? There's finally some revamped skill trees and I've been trying out long blades again. It's actually pretty fun, especially compaed to how i used to be. Axes also let you blenderize people and hack all their limbs off, and you can hulk smash people through walls with cudgels now.
Still no real extension of the main quest, still mainly a bunch of additions that don't do much, like asphalt lakes, fungal infections, and mini-dungeons. But at least there's SOME new shit.

>>168943151
It's more about the speed though, i had the idea when I saw a pack of modified raichos.
Combining high speed with something like ego theft could make a quite cool combo.
But yeah, considering that there are no good debuffs on the early game, Mask would be the better start.

>>168945062
>a scroller
what
it's a rouge like on the android telephone platform
yeah it has tiles but it's also open source so that makes up for it and makes it count as a rougelike again

>>168946103
what's its name?

>>168946252
pixel dungeon

>>168946103
apreciated anon
>>168946252
Pixel Dungeon

>>168945074
The transition at 40's a kick in the teeth, but it's not bad, no. I figured it was more meant to be a friendly race and/or spark some discussion rather than be particularly difficult.

>>168944946
I thought that was a joke.

well theoretically the anon who won was supposed to pick a combo
but he didn't

>get banished to abyss with sentinel's mark
why god

>>168946641
With doppelganger imitator we can separate the men from the boys

it's authentic /rlg/ autism at its finest

>>168946970
lol

nobody has actually posted any doppleganger imitators though
other than the one guy who died to freesia

>>168947076
clarification: it was abyss 5
no purge potions
escaped with 1 hp to splat back at the vaults
rip

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>>168947362

>>168947362
Doppelganger feels like one of those things where the designer felt like they might end up being interesting, so they made it as unfun to play as possible.

tfw so done with crawl, i ctrl+q'd a promising character in a cleared-out floor of the crypt out of boredom

>>168949883
Shouldn't flew over lava and let it expire

OH
WAIT

>>168949883
>ctrl-qing
>not just walking away and never coming back
i think i still have a character in webtiles with castable haste just because i havent actually logged in and played since before it was removed

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I tried.

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>>168950304
Good effort.

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Oh, really? You love me that much?

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>>168950610

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>>168950304
>dying to a stationary enemy

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>>168950982
Don't worry I'm making progress.

>finally got enough gold to buy an offensive wand in the black market
Maybe devicemaster will be a bit stronger now that I actually have a device.

>>168935090

>>168935090

a game with infinite bloat is always popular to our local casuals

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>>168951706
i believe in you

>still no option to name custom food in DCSS

worst game

>>168956040
it had that option for pizza toppings actually
but pizza was removed

>>168956404
They seriously removed pizza?

>>168956693
Pizza isn't tactical

>>168922239
I do wonder how much will change. I got a feeling that Hand of the Dead will be stronger in the upcoming build, though.

>>168956927
Personally I want more multi-floor branches. In the current state you would be retarded not to do at least the first 2 Anomaly branches and as much as possible in Anomaly 3 without losing to an enemy summoner due to the good xp and demons that can be acquired there. If more multi-floor branches were added than it would give more options like leaving Anomaly early due to a hard encounter with the idea that you could just dive a later multi-floor branch to regain what you lost in Anomaly.

>>168956693
They removed it (and jerky) when they made all food take one turn to eat. It's apparently bloat when bread, meat rations, fruit, and jellies all exist and take a turn to eat.

>>168958104
I do think there will be another early multi-floor branch in the game eventually. It's probably going to alternate with Anomaly, though.

Also, I like the looks of the new starters.

>Everyone hates Crawl
>Everyone still plays it

>>168956693

Pizza and beef jerky are redundant to other better permafood. One of the hidden game philosophy that Crawl has is to remove any feature that has the slightest sign of redundancy

>>168958204
should have removed everything OTHER than pizza tbqh
and i guess make carnivores and vegetarians get half nutrition from eating it

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Is there anything unique in these monster zoos? Just some sick loot? Maybe just Exp?

I don't know how to open it at the moment... maybe a lever or something. I'll keep exploring.

I've never played a Tm, but I can't imagine this is great news (but nor is it awful):

https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d40821f382ad88ce220cf71294a4421e84cef27d

Blade hands, statue form, and dragon form previously had base UC damage that scaled with strength and dexterity. They now have flat damage: Blade hands deal 22 base UC damage, Statue Form deals 12 base UC damage, and Dragon Form 32 base UC damage.

Dragon Form got the biggest buff in damage, but I also imagine that Chei Transmuters have just gotten the short end of the stick in many cases.

Still, looking at the cases listed, it doesn't hugely change things.

>>168959486

YEEEESSS THEY NERFED THE BLOAT

>>168959486

It brings base damage of transformations in line with literally everything else in the game, that has flat base damage. Stats still have a huge impact on unarmed (ie transmuted) damage.

Chei Tm did get nerfed here but they're still kind of good, and Dragon Form is now a legitimately great final spell for Transmuters.

>>168958373
Ya I do like the new starters. I'm not an expert on Demon and the highest I've gotten is tower 12, but the game does feel somewhat unfinished with a real lack of variety imo in later floors resulting in samey parties. I think more alternates like the Tower 1 1/2 or Arcadia spawn would be good since you have variety in what appears on the branches while still being able to make a consistent party based on whichever branch spawns

>>168945386
Guess not. Honestly I don't know why I'm playing it myself, maybe it's some sort of pseudo-masochistic urge to makes my free time as unpleasant as possible.

>>168960121
CoQ is kinda fun at times.
Beats playing shit that /rlg/ recommends people.

>>168959761
eh? stats now have the same impact as for any other weapon type

>>168959817
Well, there's still a lot that has yet to be added, including at least one major gameplay element (traits). Only time will tell what it looks like when it is more finished.

>10
>>168961130
I hope ferret makes mythology themed branches like Arcadia becoming just Greek mythology demons or a branch for Chinese deoms

>>168963806
Imagine some sort of equivalent of Crawl's Dungeon Sprint for Demon. It will probably be a long time before such a thing will be seen, though.

>9
stop dying u fucks. This is literally the only place besides the forumslol to discuss Demon.

>>168965563
Quiet night...


What's your favorite veil in that game? I'd say either poison veil or dazzling veil. They're both pretty damn strong.

>>168966262
>veil
I pretty much only play Orb, although I have some play time in Fist so I guess I would say electric veil since electricity is my favorite element. I really like Orb since roguelikes are a genre of survival over killing but Orb is all about blasting dudes for as much damage as possible while letting your front-liners worry about surviving.

>>168931429
Ice form is good. Tm has an easy early game if you don't try to skip spells, and Dr has enough spell slots that it's not a problem.

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This stupid game presents no challenge

Why am I so compelled to dump hours into it

>>168968258
It's that stupid "fun" gimmick that causes it.
It should be removed because fun doesn't fit in tight design.

GOODBYE CHEI TRANSMUTERS

>average transmuter has 30/30 stats at their win
Did they fucking include chei stats in that, no fucking way normal species get 30str and 30dex in a normal run

>>168968258
addiction

>>168947362
playing mimic is way more fun imo

I thought Tm^Chei is supposed to push Int

>>168968973
I'm pretty sure Cheistats can easily make int pumping meaningless.

>>168969114
Int is actually the only stat without dimishing returns
It also depends heavily on the character species, dumb retards like trolls and Minotaurs usually get int while others get whatever they need

>>168969114

Wrong.

>>168969170
Strenght has a dimishing return cutoff?

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>>168968693

>>168969734

For encumbrance

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We did it, Mr. Unfriendly! You've earned a well-deserved rest before being turned into dragon-glue.

It's 3:17 4chan time. Do you know where your thread is?

>>168973156
But 4chan is a nip site so its more like 17:19

>>168973214
That's almost primetime, where are all the Australian shitposters and Thai ladyboy roguelike players?

>>168970697
>not putting him in a capture ball and depositing safely in the museum to live out the rest of his life

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So, It's few days that I'm playing Poscheanband and after the Orc hill I've noted that my characters intelligence and wisdom got lower when I got polymorphed by some magician in that dunegon, how do I get my stats back?

Are you permanently polymorphed on your character sheet, or does the polymorph form just show up in red at the bottom of the screen?

>>168974889
post that part of your character sheet where it's said how you were polyed exactly

>>168974889
or just put the whole dump on pastebin or something
press | on the C screen and save it as a .txt

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>>168975869

>>168976128
That's a temporary effect, it will end after a few hundred turns

>>168975528
It doesn't appear in red at the bottom of the screen anymore

>>168976180
Thanks bro

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>>168968031
>Ice form is good
i once cleared zot in it because i didn't know it gave fire vulnerability

i played felid

>>168977359
Ice form as felid is insanely bad because it makes you huge (losing most of your EV) while only giving you 20% hp to your shitty 60% pool

>>168979452
dragofelids are the best!

desu iirc i mostly used shadow creatures and summon haunting something that run

i have won as a dragofelid too, but it was soooo painf... fun!

Do the new big guys, that replaced elves when HE didn't fly so well, work well with tmut?
Sounds like they have EV problems sorted out, but huge hp pools to boost with tmuts.

>>168979727
they never made it into the game

>>168979850
Wait what the fuck is Ba then?

>try to play beogh
>every single turn consists of hitting space 20 times
>every
>single
>turn

>>168980881

What the h*ck are you talking about?

why are there no slexposters or amyposters around anymore

Is an archer/shooter in DCSS garbage or can it be effective? Does it count more on dexterity or on strenght?
Do i go Trog or Okawaru if i want to get a good ranged weapon SoonTM?

>>168983609

don't do it, ranged weapons will surely get removed later

>>168983609
Oka for ammo. Even the best ranged weapons get kinda weak later on, though.

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>>168983027
tfw i have read it as sexposters and animeposters

had to re-read it

>>168984859
>lego shit
>cant read
>retarded as fuck
Please stop

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>>168985807
pet me!

>>168986031
Ill rather fuck you, useless shit

>>168984198
>Even the best ranged weapons get kinda weak later on, though.
TriXbows have the highest base dmg in the game

>>168984198
>Even the best ranged weapons get kinda weak later on, though.
You what??

>>168988135
>10 aut per attack
nty

how are to supposed to play qud i cant even clear red rock

>>168988849
some builds are better than others

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haha I won the samurai don't know how to swim

>>168968826
I would think they'd have to have. Too bad they didn't know to use median instead of mode

>>168984859
lewd

>>168988849
Good con
Good will and ego
Mental mutations only

>>168968693
Thank IJC, chei was a shitty meme anyway

>>168980770

pepes

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Escaped with Orb + 15 runes.

Hell was more difficult than Pan. Only unique Pan Lord that was any trouble was Lom Lobon because of his blinking. All the others were locked down with summons and bribed enemies. I was worried about Cerebov but he was actually easiest because I got him last and didn't need to conserve resources. He died to his own Phantom Mirror clone firestorming him.

I don't approve of how easy it is to grind Pan/Abyss. Extended becomes very easy and it all plays the same (bribe+haunt+servitor+evo summons wrecks everything). Maybe I played too cautiously but speedrunning isn't appealing so I probably won't play again.

>>168994283
gj and congrats anon

>>168994283
it's fucking impossible to get beyond elven halls or d/10 , if not using melee even less.

how the fuck do you do it.

>>168994532
Hexes early game, transitioning to Summons late game. Invisibility makes Elf much easier. And lots of running away, which Spriggans are very good at.

>>168994283

Spriggans and Centaurs should be removed from Crawl.

I gotta say tome4 is significantly more enjoyable when you're not playing on a 10 year old toaster.

>>168994283
230k turns is not even playing normally, its straight up scumming

>>168995708
It's not my fault Abyss:1 is basically free gold and every 3000 I collect gives me a shitload of free permanent allies.

>>168995708

100k turns is not even playing normally, it's straight up scumming

>>168995865
BTW, it's possible to lure Starcursed Masses out of the Abyss. I suspect with enough regen you could lure one into a killhole and farm it like a Nethack pudding.

>>168994283
Seeing stuff like that makes me realize my autism isnt big enough

Did they remove the gold display from trunk

>>168999367

Yes, it's replaced with a noise bar. If you're a Gozag worshipper, it's displayed in place of the piety meter. You can still see your gold with % or $

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>>168999934
So you're saying gold will be removed and will only remain as a Gozag gimmick.

It's clear that shops will only remain in their current "call merchant" ability and will never spawn in the game.

So elegant.
So balanced.

>>169000530
No, Gozag is getting removed entirely. Gold will be removed. Shops will be replaced with an increase in Acquirement spawn rate.

>treasure cove asks 2 acquirement scrolls to enter
>hmmm I wonder what kind of awesome artifact it holds
>few shitty scrolls

https://youtu.be/YeAp15OmW2s?t=29s

Why aren't you guys playing Cal Cu Lator?

>>169002620
>get into a trove for the minor cost of two +0 hats
>complain

>>169003642
>playing a species that can acquire hats

>>169003642

>2017
>acquiring armor

shiggy

>>168996005

50k turns is not even playing normally, it's straight up scumming

The new potion of mutation is definitely an improvement. Once you get on Mr Cigotuvi's wild ride, you're not getting off.

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Just a fish, I can tab it...

>>169007971

It's mostly just a quality of life change to reduce inventory clutter. For the mutation game to actually improve, a new kind of malmutator should be present as early as Vaults:1 and Depths:1, one that has a chance to malmutate you whenever it hits you in melee.

>>169008471
since we have the chaos brand, we should also have a polymorph specific brand. what could go wrong

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>>168994283

Woah... that's quite a high tumcount Nefro-chan! May I peench it?

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Thanks Azathoth.

Where is the pic from?

>>169009163
How would I go about getting as much speed as possible? I want to be even faster than snek

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>>169009163
Oh, don't mind if I do.

>>168995667
yea
too bad it's still shit

>>168995708
>scorescumming
I don't get why everyone shits on people with high turncount, while also trying to penalize them even more or straight up trying to "remove" the ability to have a high turncount. You already have to deal with out of depth enemies that will absolutely fuck you unless you dive immediately, which has the side effect of making that floor a no-go zone when retreating/stairdancing, and your score gets absolutely destroyed.

>>169010342

>You already have to deal with freexp

what did xir mean by this?

>>169009561
game?

Note to self: nowadays Irradiated Wanderers have the strength of Brutes and the speed of Feral Runners, but the special attacks of neither. Loot's still garbage though.

Also, bows don't seem to be all that great anymore; the fastest of the crossbows needs 30 seconds (~5 turns) to reload, and doesn't deal that much damage. The best bow, the reflex-recurve, is much better at ~3 turns per precise shot for some pretty substantial damage. The issue with both though is that wielding melee weapons takes a long time now. Ranged weapons cap at 30 squares away. and most enemies move at 1 square per turn; you get maybe 6 shots before you have you drop your bow and wield your melee weapon if you don't want to give them free turns; considering all the effort that goes into using bows, that's not a lot of return per encounter.

Incidentally, what on earth is the point of the heavy crossbow? It takes 6 minutes (~-60 turns) to reload, and the one shot it gets is really damaging but nothing else. It doesn't have extra accuracy, or special ammo, or even a longer range; it's just a strong-but-slow weapon taken to unusable extremes.

>>169011381
>tfw they nerfed archery with the ugly stick

>>169010342
the guy himself said he scummed abyss:1, you wont get any OODs there

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>>169009163
>>169009561
wow

>>168959486

Notice how duvessa mentioned himself that using averages and statistic bullshit is naive. He really should edit the title to a nerf instead of """"simplification""""

>>168922239
What game is this?

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>>169009386
there's not really all that much point in slapping on more speed after a certain point (see pic related, the table that converts speed into energy gain per turn, you get to take a turn at 100 energy, typically actions cost 100 energy)

but if you really want to have a character with super sanic potential, probably a psion (taking the speed buff ability when it comes up, the mark V version gives +20) with any of the +speed races (demigod of hermes, sprite, etc)

dragons and other lotsaringslots races can also get to be pretty quick, but OTOH they often need to commit rings to resists/stats/damage, and also often don't have boot slots for speed/feanor ego or hermes/feanor arts

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>>169009386
>>169013081
oops I changed the image right before posting, here's the table

>>169012940
demon
http://demon.ferretdev.org/

>>168994532
No, you're just bad at the game.

Learn to evoke your feet buddy, this race is the best at this particular technique.

>>168995865
I wish devs would just do what hellcrawl recently did and turn all Abyss monsters into durable summons (=no exp).

>>169013081
>>169013307
Are there any races/monsters that can take more than 2 rings? Multiple rings of +15 speed would be gud even if it gimps my resistances.
The farthest I've ever made it is killing Azog ;_;

>>169010342
I would have enjoyed the game more if the high turncount hadn't been possible. I made Pan too easy and took all the fun out of it because I didn't want to lose the progress of surviving Hell.

>>169014171
The khorne demon gets four rings eventually and can wear boots.

Dragons have six and beholders have... a lot.

Of normal races, I think time-lord with one of the +speed races ends up with +12 just for existing, though I don't think it's an especially strong class.

>>169009163
STOP playing easy races you miserable MiBe enthusiast

>>169014727
and force-trainer has the lightspeed skill, but then you'd have to play a force-trainer

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>>169016618
no

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Why the fug is there an ice fiend on depths:1

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>>169018296
Send help.

>wear combat ring
>wear resistance ring
>20 levels pass
>ooh, +20 combat ring, perfect for my setup, I'll just switch it out with the old one
>hmm, I wonder why my damage didn't change on the character screen
>horrible realization sets in

I've been missing out on 75 damage for the past 8 hours

>>169018431

Zot trap? Hard to tell because you play with compressed tiles for some reason

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pretty good start eh lads

>>169006880
winning DCSS is not even playing normally, it's straight up scumming

>>169013081
easiest race for maximum gofast is ring
you get an intrinsic speed bonus from eating speed jewelry, you get a speed bonus from riding a fast mount (archons are only level 40ish, they're +20 speed and can cast globe of notdie), you can zap your mount with -hastemonster for +10, you can drink !speed for another +3...

you can easily get pointlessly high speed scores, basically

or just play force-user, they have a spell that gives them +99 speed for a single-digit number of turns IIRC

>>169014171
dragons and IIRC hounds get 6 ring slots each but they have otherwise bad slots so they need to use lots of those ring slots for things like damage and resistances
beholders can wear lots of rings on their eyestalks
xorns have 4arms so 4rings
mariliths have 6 arms but only fit 2 rings for some reason

>>169020118
yeah you're practically guaranteed to win now for sure

>>169020118
dont be a cheapass buy some shitty +0 boots gloves from town for dat FREE AC

are you playing air elemental btw?

>>169020452
Playing DCSS is not even functioning normally, it's straight up autism

>>169018913
fucking two of those!? seriously how

>>169019378
did you have it on the wrong hand? Because it sounds like you had it on the wrong hand.

>>169020118
just think, an android could be leaving that thieves' quest at 25th level. Even so, that is a nice kickstart.

>>169023873
androids don't get levels from shooters or rings
i don't think an elvenkind armor on its own would take them to 25

>>169024215
hmm I knew about rings but I'd forgotten the shooter thing

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>find a gel razor just sitting on the shelf in a gardening center of all places
>never used it before but blob feed is really cheap and easy to make, decide to try it out
>first time I try it realize that there's an unmentioned need for a table, mound of dirt, counter, etc. to brace up against
>go find one of those
>in the meantime a tank that's been shooting all nearby zombies with grenades has worked up a horde
>drag a table out into the street, use the gel razor from there
>first couple of shots are nothing impressive; ~15 damage per shot
>fast gun though
>3rd shot bounces, hits 2 other zombies for ~50 damage each
>check out precise aim; only costs 2.25 turns extra for a huge boost in headshot likelihood
then the game froze and it's been like this for several minutes
I have it set to save often, so if I exit it should be able to resume the game from the last time it saved, right? I won't lose the whole file?

>>169021454
Mariliths can't wear rings on their hands.

>>169024547
At first I thought you were saying they were foreveralone christmas cakes that would never get married, then I understood.
Lewd.

isn't high elf warrior or ninja one of the easiest race/class combo in poscheng?

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>>168904259
Currently playing Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead.

Like every roguelike, is rich on options, but hell, the graphics sucks balls.

Roguelikes are the Linux of video games....

>>169024536
Wont lose your file, you're fine. Also the turrets automatically firing at every zombie got fixed in build 6251, so update if you want that i guess.

>>169024976
they're both fairly reliable, sure. I think warrior is a bit easier at getting to high lategame damage. Any high device skill race that still has decent HP is fine for warrior. If it comes with more bonuses (e.g. hades demigod for life and 2 feats, balrog for intrinsic resists) so much the better.

>>169025165
guten tag danke

>>169025113
yeah pretty much true

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S T A T P O T S
T
A
T
P O T S

>>169024976
in vanilla angband maybe
does PCB high elf actually get anything other than good stats and rLite (the least useful resistance)

for maximum ez pick tonberry monk or something

>>169025641
>that white h
spooky
it's way more fun when there's just a huge pile of purple h and you can dissolve them all at once with a single _holiness zap

>>169025701
afaik the main advantage of high elf is their high device skill

the anon above mentioned it too already

>>169025701
It's the toughest race with both high stealth and device skills, mostly.

>>169025925
you get more than enough device skill from just picking lucky though

>>169026127
false, though lucky helps a bit

>>169025641
Anon, what are you playing? Centaur cavalry?

>>169026127
lucky gives 7 to device, 3 to save, 2 to stealth
high-elf gives 13 to device, 12 to save, 4 to stealth

of course you can always take both. Besides making dumb choices, device troubles are one of the main ways lategame characters run into trouble (failing teleport, failing destruction, etc)

>>169008349
>big fish
Mein gott. I had forgotten.

>>169027502
NEVAR FORGET

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>>169027743

>>169026380
Demigod cavalry

>>169027894
>tfw people still havent forgotten about me

>>169028220
>less than three minutes later
>every single time
Anon, how much time do you spend on thsi board

>>169028321
Im in 6 generals at all times, i look at each one from time to time and post when needed

>>169028431
>6 at once
Marilith challenge is over, anon.

>>169029098
A what?

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UGHHHH

I escaped by the grace of God

>>169029934
pshh you had a whole extra hit point as buffer. You only die at -1. Not even close.

fuck

>>169029934
>one poison breath brings you down to 1hp
either you are a tard for fighting big poison breathers with no rPois
or you are a tard for being at only 301hp and not drinking !heal

>level 11
>only 4 Ds muts

this is not alright.

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Ahh yes, the old "four fails in a row on a 16% fail device"

good old PCB

>>169030335
>imfuckingplying I didn't have 2 pips and got doubleturned
just admit PCB is not balanced and accept it that way

>>169030774
>a 16% fail device
that's a death sentence desu

>>169030774
ah yes the old "any chance less than 50% is 0 and any chance over 50% is 100" meme
why dont roguelike players understand statistics

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>You feel clever!
>You feel clever!

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>>169030976
It wouldn't happen in DCSS because the devs realize it's not fun. They at least had the foresight to make spell success rates quadratic. It's the same reason no one, not even Chris himself, plays spellcasters in pcb.

>>169031660
>0.00065536
So roughly a 1/3 chance, right?

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Noice.

>>169031660
now calculate the chances of getting 4 fails in a row at any point in a test run of 100 or 1000 uses

>>169032019
>1400 fucking hp
steel drag?

>>169032170
Yep.

>>169032043
First you'll have to justify why such high fail rates exist at all. How long do you want players to grind for !healing and staves of healing (simplicity)? 2 hours? 5 hours?

For extra credit, justify randomized energy.

>do something thousands of times
>act surprised when something that is statistically unlikely happens

>>169013373
Cool ty, it looks great

>>169032902
i'm not saying the game is perfect
i AM saying you're playing badly by relying on something with such a high failrate

you CAN use the 16% device, especially if you have a lot of health, but if you're in a situation where you could be in serious danger if you fail an activation you need to use the 0% option instead

if you have 900hp against something that can breathe for 600 post-resistance you should feel perfectly safe using high-failrate devices at >600hp, you should feel uncomfortable at 300-600, and you should absolutely never under any circumstaces use _healing over !healing at under 300hp

>>169033146
*for 300 post-resistance, I mean
if it breathes for 600 post-resistance and I had that kind of HP/healing I'd just avoid it because it would be a huge waste of heal pots to fight it

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>thermodynamics jokes

>>169030774
see this is exactly the sort of thing that I was taking about with the anon in >>169026127 being wrong

even with 1.5% fail I've had 3 fails in a row before

>>169032019
>created forest
There's scrolls of that?

>>169033451
which joke
what unrand
what is it

>>169033934
yeah they're fairly rare and therefore often hard to make space to carry them around usually, but specifically for killing metal babbles or other cast-happy dudes they can be invaluable

still not as wonderful as based Create Doors spell but as stephen wright says, you can't have everything, where would you put it? I think he must have faced roguelike inventory issues.

>>169032904
0.07% isn't even especially unlikely in a long run

also that's why device skill is great

>>169034161
but how do they affect spellcasting? i suppose they are not usable vs snek anyway

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>it shoots around corners
best gun ever

>>169034953
monsters without disintegration breath (that are capable of moving) will approach.

Maybe in some situations or spawning AI types they will also summon? Not sure, I know they do that against wraithform or in some other situations where you're out of sight. But mostly against doors/forest/etc monsters just walk towards you so they can see you.

>>169034953
oh yeah and you can certainly use them against snek, it will still spend most of its turns approaching (until its disintegration breath or aura removes it, in which case you could read another). I wouldn't bother with it against a disint-breath happy guy like the destroyer though.

>>169029437
Someone made a competition to win with a Combat tan'ri in PCB

The winner gets to decide what the next competition is