/gerg/ - Giant Extreme Robots General

american players are bad

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>>168879061
>Eu is terrible
>NA is terrible too
>Non-exsistant Oceania players
Australia is best player

I miss you so much Hawken, please don't stay dead forever...

Hawken-sama....

>>168879157
>aussie have zero awareness
>aussie can't shut up
>aussie spread out for no reason
>aussie cap even when winning
>aussie shoot vip
>aussie die like a bitch

¿ʇɥbıɹ 'noʎ oʇ ןɐɯɹou sʞooן sıɥʇ

why is it always the assaults who don't connect

>>168879509
"My PC is really shit, all this armor should protect me from my poor piloting skills"
>PC overheats and shuts down during load times

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>>168879373
>Americans cant handle banter and are always no fun allowed, example: Kong
>British get upset if you look at the funny and rage quit
>Everywhere else are who's and shitters

>>168877882
If you want to maximize LRMs with minimal loss to team tonnage go with a 4xLRM5 Locust-3S.

Why is the Catapult ridiculously small.

>>168879708
:^)
>tfw you realize the catapult being the size of a light was not a mistake and it's here to stay
kys pgi

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>>168879708
It became the Owens.

>>168879509
There was some strange stuff lately disconnecting me. Killed some meta-compliant guy with a random laser (after sandblasting with LRMs), he ragequits, then about 15 seconds later I get booted to login screen with message "something wrong with my connection".

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>Catapult
>65 tons

>Kintaro
>55 tons

all that tonnage must be in the boxes :^)

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*blocks ur path*

>>168881207
Why cant the p!g do another rescale?
I know the minitures arent scale to law, but the fucking catapult is shorter then a jenner

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>>168881918
>The gargoyle
>One of the more interesting and better looking clam mechs
>Costs your soul worth in cbills
Its not fair

>>168881918
redpill me on the spurdo mech /gerg/lings

>>168882132
It's the original Linebacker. And it actually kind of looks like a linebacker.

>>168882132
It's a Pulsecrow that weighs 85 tons instead of 55.

>>168882489
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=236&l=8953d1513bac915d8ca8bbae236361ffee5aeaf8
8O tons

>>168882954
Do heatsinks matter for assault/heavy/medium? Why run a laser assault if a medium/heavy can do that same with the same heatsinks and therefore heat capacity/dissipation besides armor.

>>168883038
More armor, more truedubs inside the engine, more dubs total
It's not really worth it compared to going 108kph in a Crow, but don't tell that to Kong

>>168883169
>more truedubs inside the engine
Only the heatsinks that come with the engine are truedubs. Additional heatsinks inside the engine are not.

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Is there a bigger joke of matchmaking in video game history?

>>168884162
>yfw its a ping numbers

>>168885101
you wish

For anyone wondering MW:LL is actually more alive than this thread.

So, in 5-7 CW drops i'll have some c-bills enough to buy a Huntsman.

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=457&l=e6d955c262e676fc70ebcfb9c135ca9ccd071da8

Can /gerg/ predict how bad this can be (for scouting)?

Supernova - Gameplay Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBHkM33f9xk

>>168886691
>CW drops
Why would you do this

>>168886761
I like ranks. Other than mech-pokemasterring i cant see what to do in mwo.

Speaking of CW, how many points do you get per game?

>>168887095
Invasion - anything from 400+ to 600+ regardless of the winn or loss.

>>168887225
time to grind some free mech bays then

>>168887280
My autism prevents me from changing factions. Guess i'll just keep going grindind my way to the Galaxy commander.

>>168887602
See you in two years.

>omni mechs with ferro but no endo
reee

>>168887773
>two years
>mwo
GladOS_Still_Alive.flac

>>168887913
It's not their fault, it's the pig who cant give armor buffs if you're using ferro, making ferro just less viable endo.

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Where's my ONI-chans at?

Also, Kong's sixth year anniversary is coming up. Congratulations, we're now so old and established, we're all essentially married to each other.

Forever.

>>168888408
gas yourself.

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>>168888537

I did once already, man.

TOMORROW
O
M
O
R
R
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W

>>168891076
Waiting for th fail.
Thought i'd rather read the patchnotes but it seems like there'll be fucking nothing again.

guys is mwo p2w?

>UAC barrels don't spin when they fire
is it really that difficult to animate such a simple thing?

>>168892592
B-but they ARE spinning.

>tfw shitting on premades in CW as pugs

They weren't Davions this time I swear on me mum

>>168893008
NO THEY ARE NOT

>>168893119
What mechs did you observe?

>>168893527
What mechs did you observe?

How come I never observe as many people using shitmechs as you guys do?

Is it because of my tier?

>>168893632
Shadowhawk.

>>168893632
Jaegermech

>>168894073
>>168894207
Ok now how come all mechs don't have it?

>>168894267
Sigh, you're just new, if you'll stay you'll learn a lot more about pig fails.

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>playing random trial mechs, mostly lights
>seeing how I fare with them now that I have some idea of what I'm doing compared to months ago when I first started
>tfw hunting people down in the spider with the rest of my light lance in a hunting pack
Oh my fuck, I may have to buy one of these. Or something that can perform similarly. What are some of the best, and most importantly the fastest, light mechs? Ecm would be nice as well, but I mostly want to be hitting people from where they aren't expecting and then be able to move in for the kill once I find a juicy target separated from the herd.

>>168896682
locust e1 with 6 small pulse

>>168896682

Arctic Cheetah with ECM and 6 SPL

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Why does the supernova fucking float inbetween steps.

It doesnt even finish putting its foot down before the other one comes up.

>>168897472
Because PGI are worse at animation than Bioware.

>>168896682
LCT-1V with a LPL

>>168888408
Yeah, we're one of the few original generals left on 4chan, and Kong itself predates /vg/.

>>168897472
Minimum effort for minimum viable products.

I still have the 300 mc from last event, and 20 caches piled up. Do I buy 12 keys to go with the two I got from this event and open 14 of the caches hoping I can get something worth it, or do I play it safe and either save my mc to stockpile it for something good or just buy a mech bay or something? What's the best course of action here?

>>168900264
single use camo patterns duh

>>168897548
Being worse than bioware would actually take effort though.

Guys is MWO p2w?

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I hope you guys don't consider this marketing, but there's this nice 2D mech shmup that just came out on steam a little while ago called Zangeki Warp. it's a nice little game, but it's so obscure and not many people know about it.

I thought you guys would like it.

I want Caustic Valley to be the only map.

What is the most fun mech in the game and why is it Cent D?

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Meanwhile, in Halo Mythic...

>>168904159
what?

Stop posting off topic

dude mechs lmao

>>168893632
What mechs did you observe?

Battle Armor when?

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>>168909391
Soon™

>>168909391
Hopefully fucking never

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>>168909640

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>>168909901

Best Clam brawler?

>>168910102
>mechassault 3 will never be a thing

Which mech looks the most like a tank turret on legs?

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>>168910386
>ma3 released for xbone
>ragnarok and lava gun get canonized in bt tabletop
>much wailing and gnashing of teeth from salty loremasters

It can't come soon enough.

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>>168910708
UrbanMech with an AC/20 is pretty much just that.

>>168910708
Jenner or Locust?

>>168911007
Do you have any idea what a tank looks like?

>>168911007
Visually though probably a Cicada.

>>168911394
no

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>>168911152

>>168911495
Are you looking for a tank turret with or without arms?

>>168912746
noooooo

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HGA patch is up. http://steamcommunity.com/games/416020/announcements/detail/680444679537632010

AI Bots added to all game modes for each team.

Here's the updated Tiger model geometry, still WIP for textures.

Why is everyone retarded?

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>>168914589
Light Flamethrower on Pioneer Outpost.

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>>168914761
Mortars to be added in later update.

SUPERNOVA: 1 day to release
'Mech Lab Preview

Join Phil "Sean Lang" from NGNG on Twitch
as he previews the Supernova build options in the 'Mech lab

12pm PST / 3pm EST
twitch links are spam

I guess they didn't reveal the quirks because there are none.

>>168903257
It's a cute game with a single interesting mechanic, but that shmup isn't really a giant robot game.

If I was going to play that style of game I'd rather play enter the gungeon anyway.

>>168912746
gross

>>168914589
>AI Bots added to all game modes
How's the AI?

Cataphract was a mistake.

Would the game be more fun if the standard match was 8v8?

>>168915089
get good
>>168915196
yes

>>168915257
You can't carry in a Cataphract.

>>168915360
>can't carry in a turbo quirked heavy
get
good

>>168915423
kys

>>168915747
get
o
o
d

>>168914987
Seems they have received an overhaul on pathing in the maps to track players into areas previously inaccessable and have improved weapon use logic. Overall they can be pretty tough and tend to swarm in groups.

>>168915360
maybe you can't
but good players definitely can

>>168915952
Post proof.

>>168916037
Before you move the goalposts, what is proof?

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>>168911152

>>168916138
A miserable pile of shoops?

>>168916138
4 digit games are good proof.

>>168916669
No they aren't.

>>168915952
Agreed, phracts are cool guys and shitters need not apply.

>>168916962
They really need to update the model though.

>it's a polar niggyrlands season
dead game

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>>168888408
>four years without having mwo installed and i still check the general sometimes
>it keeps getting worse

Post your mei-mei builds.

>>168917625
Don't forget, you're here forever.

I'm replaying MW4 Mercs. Redpill me on the Long Tom. Is it ever remotely good or worthwhile? I'm thinking of putting it on the back of a Marauder II as a long-range weapon.

>>168917625
Hi there!

>>168923351
It's a slow ass arced projectile with big aoe splash damage and shitty aiming that makes it mostly a suicidal short range weapon/something against fixed defenses.
Good for the novelty of blapping some lighter mechs with it. Once.

>>168925026

Eh, I've already got the Behemoth II with the railgun, so it's no biggie. If I could buy a railgun, I'd just slap that on the rear.

>>168926191
>If I could buy a railgun
Just buy another Behemoth II.

Does Greg still play Zoose

Wow holy shit the SNV-1 really does just have -5% ER laser duration.

Good fucking job PGI

>>168929440
$uperDOA confirmed long ago
Grab a Boiler or just stick with Scorch/a Huelander

I wish more Assaults had 4M and 3+B for maxibum buttblasting

>>168930440
Hi there!

>>168929440
>he thought this was fake
>>168427554

kek

We've talked about our favorite 'Mechs, our favorite provinces & worlds, our favorite regiments. So now I ask: as a fan of the FWLM, what is your favorite battle they've ever fought? Did you love the goal line stand of the Bolan Defenders during the First Succession War? The jackass buffoonery of the 2nd Regulan Hussars during the events of Ideal War? The knife-fighting between the Knights of the Inner Sphere and the Smoke Jaguars in the Dhuan Swamp on Huntress? What FWLM battle do you enjoy reading about the most?


For me, it has to be the Battle of Xanthe III during the Andurien Secession. The 15th Marik Militia is shattered, the 10th Militia surrounded when hidden Andurien 'Mechs ambush them in the city of Estan. The 10th Militia holds out against all odds for weeks until they find a weak spot in the Andurien lines. Their counter-attack rips a hole in the rebel formations, allowing light forces to sally into the Andurien rear areas and convincing the rebels to pull back enough that the FWLM regiments are saved from annihilation. Reinforcements eventually arrive and drive the Defenders of Andurien off-world, and the 10th Militia's commander is promoted and given command of the entire Marik Militia organization.


A close second is the Phact Finding Mission during the War of 3039. The 2nd Oriente Hussars conduct a string of raids across the Sarna March, kitting Old Kentucky, Chamdo, and Reballa, all of which went off without a hitch. On the final raid target of Phact, however, the Crazy Second run across a full RCT. Stuck on a hostile world and outnumbered five to one, the 2nd Hussars led the Lyran troops on a merry chase for three weeks, keeping the RCT pinned down and unable to contribute to the invasion of the Draconis Combine, before they are able to extract themselves. The 9th Marik Militia, dispatched to help pull the Hussars off-world, divert to Capella upon hearing of the Second Oriente's withdrawal and smash Blandford's Grenadiers for the Hell of it.

>>168931673
BattleTech lore is kind of a joke, but my favorite battle was killing that Avatar in MW3

>>168931673
>pasting oldcopypasta from /btg

kek

>>168923351
It's probably more useful in multiplayer than the campaign to flush out campers clustered together behind terrain. Though it would be good to take out mission objectives and avoid turret defenses, especially if you are using the mekpak version that has the artillery range indicator added that is tied in to torso pitch.

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Greetings fellow Mechwarriors. We fight for the honour and glory of House Kurita and the Coordinator.

The dragon will be victorious.

...and in Victory the Dragon will lay claim to all that lies before him!

#FEARtheDRAGON

I was thinking about the original JR7-A Jenner which carried only a single large laser for armament and had a full dozen heat sinks. I think some of the early lore even suggested the large laser was mounted on a turret. The -A reminds me of a slower, jump-capable Hussar, the ultra-fast Star League 'Mech armed with a single ER large laser but with only 1.5 tons of armor.

While the heavily armed JR7-D is the quintessential knife in the back, the -F variant, which trades the SRM-4 and volatile ammo for three additional tons or armor, is a much more hardy machine. Of all the light 'Mechs slated to be included, the Jenner I suspect will prove to be among the most deadly.

That said, I let my mind wander across the even faster chassis available to see if I could come up with something equally deadly.

If my understanding of the Hardpoint system proves correct, by removing the jump jets, you could modify a SDR-5K Spider to carry a single chest mounted large laser and put a small laser in each arm. This would allow it to snipe at scouts from range and also rush in for a physical attack, including the two small lasers.

The LCT-3V Locust, armed with a two medium lasers in the center torso and a machine gun in each arm offers some nice possibilities as well. If the "Support" Hardpoint shakes out, the machine guns could be replaced with small lasers and the armor restored to the original 4 tons. While the armament is exactly the same, this is an improvement over the -1E since the -3V houses the medium lasers in the center torso instead of in the lightly armored and vulnerable arms. I affectionately refer to this as the "Crack Zombie."

Last, the CDA-3C Cicada could replace it's leg mounted machine guns with small lasers and add an additional ton of badly needed armor or even two tons of armor if the eleventh heat sink was dropped. No one likes a PPC to the rear, especially given the high probability of it penetrating into the structure with just a single shot. The PPC could also be downgraded to a large laser and the armor increased to a total of 8 tons, giving it close to maximum armor and making it a tough little machine, i.e. the "Swamp" Cicada.

As I looked at these, it occurred to me the ubiquitous machine gun was invariably the first thing to go. Without infantry, the need for a burst-fire weapon is basically gone and if the "Support" Hardpoint system makes it possible to swap small lasers for machine guns, it seems to be a pretty obvious improvement. Same range, increased damage, zero ammunition liability and it weighs less overall to boot. Sure they generate one heat but I don't see that as a major drawback. In addition, if I recall correctly, small lasers, machine guns and flamers are "added" to physical attacks giving them some utility even with their extremely limited range, especially on faster machines that can attack and then withdraw.

Another tangent that occurred to me, this one while I was dreaming up the Cicada.

Maximum armor is probably one of the best ways to maximize profit and minimize expenses. Once a 'Mech starts taking critical damage, the bills start mounting up fast. It will be interesting to see how this works out in the game. I know plenty of people who automatically run for max armor on every 'Mech they play in TT and invariably if forced to play stock reach for the TDR-5S, WHM-6D and CN9-AL.

Old men please go.

>>168932487
>>168932638
I think PvE builds might run toward armor, but PvP builds might not. In MW4 and MWO, we routinely shaved armor off locations with low hit chances, legs and heads mostly. Now, the hit spread is going to be more uniform in this, but I still expect to see at least some of that kind of design work.

For your speed demons, I like that Locust idea, its clever.

I think its hard to say yet which are going to be the best without some games to play and see how essential jets are for smalls. In TT smalls without them are basically dog meat unless they are 8/12 or better, something that can really book, even in terrain that costs extra MPs.

Patch when? Superdoa event for 200 to 300 FFFFREE MC when?

I can't find LBX-10 in the skill tree, is it a bug or am I retarded?

>>168940281
the latter

but mostly PGI is retarded for the module lists being atrociously 'organized'

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>The supernova will just be another double goose + pepsi mech

>>168941070
>The supernova will just be another double goose + pepsi mech and the only variant that can run it is the p 2 suck slightly less one

>Supernova is Quirkless
DOA

>>168941730
>No quirks
>Fire 1 large laser and your mech explodes
>Have to med pulses to even get kills
Really makes PGI think

bamp

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fight me

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Bump.

>>168910842
>tfw I like the design

Anyone excited for the assassin next month?

>>168951315
the Kintaro is excited to not be the worst mech.

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>>168947278
Gotta love that +2.5% XP

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Whoa, robots.

>>168954128
Vass pls play the game ffs and stop posting memes

Is there any F2P version of the Huginn SRM4+MG spam build?

http://mwomercs.com/news/2017/02/1742-patch-notes-14105-21feb2017

>literally nothing to see here

>>168955615
Jenner

>>168954250

No, I'm robot retired. Besides, I barely have the freetime as it is to keep track of their fuckups and position changes.

>>168955618

>we're gonna be making 12 decal packs a patch.
>I mean, we're only gonna be making 6 decal packs a patch.
>the decal patch pipeline has been altered. We're now making 2 packs a patch.
>okay, now it's been a couple months of decals, so you, uhh, only get 2 decals. Period.

Good old piggy.

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>CW 4.1.
>this signifies our will and commitment to change and improve for our loyal gold men audience.
>amounts to regular maps played in CW until you 'level up' and trigger real invasion maps.
>piggy still calling it faction play.
>invasion now being rebranded siege.
>new robutt DoA.
>loyalty robutts released earlier than usual, but only available through the store for big money.

Sure is a top notch patch, proving the infinite relevance of said eternally reposted repost >>168954128

where's my fucking group drops im so lonely

>>168947278
ok

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=163&l=537475fe0995fe357152a179a8d99e8d062b09dd

if only all IS mechs had quirks as good as the hunchbacks

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>>168888408
let's take a moment to remember the fallen

shouldn't running in water help your cooling efficiency?...

Reminder that Haruko wants a nice 5, 9 white guy so she doesn't feel like she's having relations with an Orc. Daily eve play is a must, must not be clingy but demand the bang once in a while as well.

>>168960147

It does, but only if the water is high enough to cover locations, and the locations in question must also have heatsinks in them.

>>168960528

>imblying.

>>168960879

You're right, her knees would start knocking the moment he opened the wallet for isk.

>no one to play robots with

>>168961116

>Haruko gets rich, white sugar daddy.
>he keeps asking why she never wants to go out and buy something really expensive, and is so insisting on the precise sum of 489 dollars a month.
>she never, ever tells him that she uses it to buy a weekly 28 PLEX pack.

Pity bump.

If all mechs were rescaled again, who would benefit the most?

>>168965320

The megahound.

>>168966234
you mean the
>hello tiny tiny puny little havy mech, FEAR THE GIGANTICNESS OF WOLFHOUND! master of lights!!!!

>now featuring anti-gravity engines to make a HEUG MECH way so little

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>>168965320
The light Mechs would get the most benefit, as a proper rescale would be accompanied by the removal of Pixel Perfect Alpha Strike Weapon Convergence With Every Shot Fired No Matter How Much The Firing Mech Is Moving, or PPASWCWESFNMHMTFMIM for short.

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>>168897472
It's not floating in between steps. It's just that on certain terrain the mechs dont actually touch the ground, they hover slightly above it because REASONS. This is extremely apparent on on that space map who's name I cant remember because I haven't played in forever. You just never notice it because there aren't a lot of instances in the game where you are at an eye level you can see it at.

any IS Lights with great builds?

>>168969437
>any IS Lights with great builds?
Locust 1e with xl190 and 6 small lasers for pew pew, good with friends in swarms.
Firestarter with the med pulse quirk
Myst lynx is the best light in the game with an ecm + erppc

THE FISH HAS LISTENETH, BRETHEREN!

Too bad they're at least two years behind and won't get the playerbase the game had years ago, but i like the attitude of this dying game.

>>168970590
what are you even talking about

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>>168970590

>>168971218
>>168971051

http://mwomercs.com/news/2017/02/1743-latest-news-regarding-upcoming-skill-tree-pts-update

Tl:dr - they reducing costs by 60% and planning to remake the trees. We'll see a testpatchnotes on friday.

>>168970590

>dying game

lol, they've said that since 2013

population stabilized last year

it's not going anywhere

deal with it nerd

>>168972739
How many people are playing daily?

>>168972739
>population stabilized last year
Because you said so? And do you bother to know actual numbers? Do you really think that less, but somehow stable playerbase is enough to feed the pig?

DED GAEM.

Alright /gerg/

I just completed my 25 cadet matches. What is the best Urbanmech to buy? I don't care about other mechs, I want to play the Urbie.

>>168973136
The one that can fit 3 LLs or like 5/6 MLs

>>168973136
What kind of weaponry are you interested in?

>>168897472
It's not just the Supernova, look at other mechs on various maps. It happens all over the place. Then again it happens underfoot is shittons of videogames, so what's the problem?

>>168909391
I want Elementals to be a reality.

>>168973213
I'm still new to the game for the most part. I actually completed my 25 cadet matches a week ago and just kept using trial mechs.

I'm less liking the big guns, only because I've ran out of ammo, even when trying to be frugal with my shots and not aiming wildly of when there's no chance in hell of hitting. I guess I'm more of an energy weapon fan.

>>168973136
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=275&l=9c0304440e85d51f44d5d6cf12b1cdc123c7b7d4
Best runaway hillhumper in Polar ever

>>168972309
Sounds like decent ideas, but they still need to throw around quirks or "enhanced" skill nodes liberally because that is literally the centerpiece of all MWO balance. The SuperDOA will remain DOA unless they position shift back to this stable, fertile ground.

>>168973373
Mind you - weapon range is cruicial if you have ballistics and not so many ammo as you want.

>>168970590
>>168972309
>the fish has listened
>it still costs 5,4million c-bills and 72,800 XP to master a mech
>it costs that much just to get MANDATORY skills back

>All the useful trees are getting nerfed by having the number of nodes increased and the percentage bonuses provided per node reduced, meaning you have to invest even MORE just to get similar utility back as on live servers

>hurr durr piggy lissens

No. No they do not.

This is fucking us up even more. They may be slamming the fucking retardation that were the multiple weapon trees into one big conglomerate of crippling autism that will most definitely punish one weapon system more than the others. Either ballistic, missile or energy will be in the middle of the tree requiring you more investment to get the specific benefit nodes.

Also, now by detaching accel/decel and torso speed from engine rating for weight classes, they're guaranteed to make bad mechs worse. Where an Atlas could previously rely on torso twist quirks and a 350-360 engine rating to give it just enough torso mobility to roll damage, they're most likely now going to be considerably slower even if you fully invest into the upper torso skill tree portion.

>>168973565
I feel like they have something in a sleeve, i dont believe they'll roll out Superdoa because of it's DOA. I think we'll see some crazy undocumented shit. Either that or my hopes about pig learning something will be gone.

>>168973751
Holy shit, you are delusional.

Supernova is garbage now, it will be garbage later. PGI has no intention of removing ghost heat for this one particular mech, and they are making all mechs worse by detaching engine ratings from accel/decel/torso speed values.

Unless they suddenly make a 325 engine rating have the same accel/decel/ torso speed values as it would have with 55%/55%/35% quirks, then the mech WILL be worse.

>>168973591
Range is crucial for virtually everything. Cooldown really only matters for UACs to try and avoid the jams a little better.

>>168973615
From my point of view you're just whining and want top performing mechs for free. You won't be getting that, be sure.

Costs ARE reduced. If this is too much for you, well, somehow i was ready for the rising costs due to the diversity on quircs.
And yes
>mandatory
NOPE. Mandatory is standart mech you get once purchased. New system is complete rebalance, so yes it doesnt meacn you'll be able to reach levels we already have AND some more finetuning - they are trying to slow the powercreep and this is good.

>oh god, i'm protecting the pig
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE, SURAT

>>168974034
Don't you think that DOA is obvious, so obvious even pig should see that?

>>168972858
>>168973032
Guess what faggots? You can just go online anytime you feel like and check the fucking leaderboards, because everyone is listed and the numbers are big.

>>168973615
I think a variation of a sphere grid system for skills would work out better than linear trees. Skills would be bought in-out or out-in, both would work. Unique things would be stashed along certain paths to encourage building towards those unique qwerknodes, but that would increase the amount of work on the trees to (tree * num_chassis). All the more reason to consolidate nodes though.

Then I also think that all radar derp mods should be removed completely, permanently. Target duration increase can stay because its an investment for a niche use.

>>168974224
Pig doesn't care.

Pig sees you and many other retarded faggots pay money for garbage, so they make garbage and leave it as is.

"Not all mechs are intended to be equal" as they've mentioned on a couple of occasions off hand.

>>168974340
>numbers are big
The numbers are ok, not great, but ok.

>>168973136
2LPL xl urbie, and 4MPL standard urbie are both pretty good. You can also be a huge jerkass and just use boring ERLLs and snipe all day.

>>168974420
You're even worse if you think it's actually possible to maintain perfect balance in a game like this.

>>168973615
>>it still costs 5,4million c-bills and 72,800 XP to master a mech

So? This is way cheaper than buying three mechs, and buying upgrades for those mechs, or buying modules for three mechs, hell it's even cheaper than buying a single important module for one mech.

>>168974150
You don't seem to understand.

Top performers will now be even better, as shit mechs with poor engine ratings will be even worse. By removing all mobility quirks, mechs become notably clunkier to move. Unless niggy piggy gives all engines acceleration, deceleration and torso twist speed values equal to having 50%/50%/25% quirks on them, then mechs will not be able to torso twist or move as well as before. A LOT of shit mechs are extremely reliant on their increased mobility from quirks to survive with less firepower than the top performers.

This will enforce nigger faggot ass style firing line gameplay even harder, where the first player to peek their head out will get pounded harder than your mother on a work day.

It will also enforce people to pick mechs with the best values right out the gate even more, as you will no longer have the capability to really influence your mechs mobility profile through this new, bloated skill tree system.

If you find the game in a slower form with less capacity for player input mattering better, then I highly suggest you take up a gambling habit.

>>168974710

He's complaining just to complain
The cost changes are great

/gerg/ is worse than /v/ when it comes to doomsday calling everything

>>168974652
and you're fucking retarded if you're not making demands of providing equalizers for shitmechs. Instead you seem to be content there, sitting in your shitty squalor, paying pig for irredeemable trash.

Like some sort of nigger.

>>168974710
If you were paying for modules, then it'd be cheaper.

But you're now going to be paying for the basic SKILLS. They're turning basic heat containment, heat dissipation, acceleration and deceleration bonuses into modules and making you pay for them on each mech.

>>168974895
>If you were paying for modules, then it'd be cheaper.

So you're telling me your account just came with all modules unlocked, and a copy of every weapon module, and every useful general module? Shit dude, why don't you share the wealth?

>>168974895
Ooh nooo, instead of having to buy three variants of the same mech and pay 18 million cbills in module costs to fully master a mech, now I have to pay 5,4 million! What a fucking travesty.

>b-but just swap modules bro

Please unironically kill yourself or at least go to bed because you are upset over nothing and are acting irrationally.

>>168974895
They're also turning MODULES into basic SKILLS. So you never have to buy another module again. This is way cheaper.

>>168974995
>>168975087
>>168975143
Nooo you fucking faggot nigger retarded shit cunt faggots it's worse everything is worse I'm just too intelligent!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>168974895
Yes, it's overhaul, deal with it already, old system will go and for some time we'll have to remember how unelited mechs are.
But i cant see how is this a big deal as i'm contantly using shitmechs while pockemeching on their way to master.

>>168974895
The only legitimate complaint is anyone with over a hundred mechs who will have to click a hundred times per mech to properly skill them up and get some sort of repetitive stress disorder.

That and weapon boating needs to be discouraged.

>>168975224
People just can't deal without their crutches. Every little change to them is the end of the world.

>>168975312
The issue with anti weapon boating is that some mechs are simply meant to boat weapons and some of them are really good, like the Night Gyr.

>>168975445
Nothing prevents you from doing it. Yes, it might not be as cool as it is now, but neither other mech would be. And then there's that strange teammate who invested all in JJ.

>>168975445
How is that an issue? Those are posterchilds for why boating is a problem. Boating is inherently better in every situation by default. It's made even stronger if you can strengthen one type of weapon easier than all weapons at once, like how weapon modules work now, or how divergent weapon skilltrees work in the PTS.

More specialization of damage type, more specialization of range, less weapon groups, all lead to simpler, easier, and more efficient gameplay.

Most mechs in the lore weren't specialists of one weapon, and those that were, were considered incredibly strong. That's fine for the lore, this is a multiplayer game that needs balance outside of point systems.

>>168975731
You're going to have to come up with something more concrete than randomly throwing around ideas.

>>168975828
I don't care how they balance mixed builds mechs vs boats, I just want them to do it. Because it would improve balance overall.

>>168975916
>Just do it!
Really now?

>>168975947
Are you suggesting there aren't enough good ideas available?

>>168975312
Well as a guy with a lot of mechs I will be considering selling off mechs to make way for new ones that I would have never enjoyed before due to the 3-variants skill system. I still feel the need to grind out my existing mechs to master them before the skilltrees hit.

>>168976123
Yeah sure the answer is right in front of their heads but they're just choosing not to do it?

All in all i'm chill as i'll sure have enough of everything to remaster my drop decks, and other mechs just dont bother me, collecting dust in the hangar.

>>168975828
Quirks. Which the Pig wants to reduce. Even though it is precisely how you balance mixed hardpoint mechs.

The Pig finds it very hard to take a step forward without also taking another backwards.

>>168976298
lol

Let's be clear. There's a lot of mechwarrior and battletech fans. Many thousands of them. Most of them are fans in the purest sense of the word, fanatic. They are fanatical about the game. They live and breath mechs, they've played every mechwarrior and mechcommander game, they study battletech lore, they buy little miniatures and paint them. They write fanfiction about this shit. Some of these fuckers have even bought GOLDEN digital mechs.

They also go on forums and post things. They go on reddit and post things. They go in all sorts of places and post things. If you had ever gone to the official MWO forum, you'd have seen not hundreds of posts, not thousands of posts, not even tens of thousands of posts, but in the 7 digits. There are dudes that have 10 thousand posts all by themselves. If you go the mwo reddits. And there are two of them, you'd see tens of thousands of reddit posts.

Now all of these aren't full of ideas. Only maybe 1-2% are. And of these ideas, only 10% are good, and due to various reasons only 10% of those good ones are actually viable to implement in the game.

This is still fucking thousands of great ideas that go unimplemented because the developers at PGI don't want to hear them, they don't want to read them, they don't fucking care what your ideas are. They have their own system of coming up with ideas, however shitty it is, and they will plod along slowly and clumsily until they find something that works. When the community rebels against it, they will grumble and shape it until something else that works until the community stops brandishing torches and pitchforks. That's it.

So no, fuck off with your bullshit that there is a lack of answers. There are almost too many answers to ever implement in even a dozen games, you myopic ass.

>>168975731
>>168975828
>>168976539
Also I forgot. The value of boating is helped a lot by the slow heat dissipation of our current system. A higher dissipation value would allow fewer heatsinks to satisfy a certain amount of primary weapons better, leaving more space for secondary weapons to fit into the remaining hardpoints. The crit space of DHS would become a more important tradeoff vs tonnage for weapons.

>>168976770
So basically you have no idea what you are talking about so instead you assume that a thousand monkeys can write them the answer?

lol

>>168974594
>>168973529


NO. just NO.

>>168973136
std 170. x2 JJ. x2 erll. max armour.

Enjoy your 90+ kph jj light with a glacis to take unavoidable hits on that has more armour + structure than almost ALL heavies armour / structure on their components.

um r60 still has even more armour over and atop the rest of them, but r63l puts those 2 erlls in the left side T so you can ALSO lose the left arm AS well as both the right arm and right T.

>>168977073
>standard engine in a erll light
???

>>168977213
MUH DEADSIDE

Are medpulses viable anywhere?

>>168977578
Clan ones are okay, not meta but very heat-efficient.

>>168977213
>>168977326

deadside urbie is stupidly tanky and is great for the sniper setup.
any mech that is assymetrical with a fast torso twist and pitch can be indomitably tanky in the hands of even a competent let alone actually good player.

>>168977578
Yes plenty of things? They go very well with an AC20.

6E Raven when

>>168978405
Why would you want that?

>>168978972
Because it would be amazingly strong?

Why do they always have to patch at the worst possible time?

>>168979447
because if they didn't it wouldn't be a monumentally retarded ass-backwards way to run a business and or service or product.

I play with default Brightness and Gamma.
#MechWarriorConfessions

>>168980765
Same.

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Are imbalanced Pay2Win Anime Robot Girl third-person shooting games suitable for /gerg/?

>>168982472
Fuck off Greg.

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>>168982545
I'm not Greg.

fuck off kakos

How much damage does one ton of UAC10 ammo translate to?

>>168983209
60 shots of 3.33 each is 180 damage + ... .33x60 = 1x20, combined 200 damage total

>>168983521
I thought UAC10 did 5+2.5+2.5

>>168980765
Same.

>>168983587
It's 3 x 3.33

>>168983682
That's dumb to be honest.

>>168983612
>>168980794
>>168980765
Enjoy your River City night.

>>168983835
I just use Night Vision?

>>168983872
That doesn't let you see across the river. Turning up brightness and gamma to 10 sure does though. :^)

>>168984130
Nolifer.


_________________________
Hey, /gerg/, i see SuperDOA as a total suc(k)ess as it caused so many arguments here.

>>168972309
>spread the bonuses across more nodes on the useful trees
>now everyone will just spend more points on the mandatory trees because they want to max that shit anyway lmao
>normalize mobility by tonnage
>they still can't get it through their skulls that the fattest mechs are freekill with their shit torso twist speeds and mega hitboxes
>they still don't understand torso twist speed is a constant across every weight class and engine rating on TT

>>168985493
Nobody will take your arguments seriously if you bring up TT by the way.

>>168985493
muh TT

>>168985631
Nobody will take your arguments seriously if you're retarded. This will make clan shitassaults perform even worse than they did before.

For example the Executioner has a fuckhuge engine AND massive mobility quirks on the CT, that change will remove those mobility quirks and change it's base turn rate from "95tonner with a retardedly huge locked engine" to just "95tonner". It'll have the same agility as a Banshee with a shit ass STD engine and a trillion shoulder-mounted lasers.

>>168986002
>hurp dur you're retarded I win
See this is why no-one takes advice from you, because you are a literal child.

>>168986179
Do you actually have any arguments, or just logical fallacies?

>>168986179
hue

Superdoa tuesday

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>The blood of an entire franchise is upon them, as much as it is the developer, for they are beings who feed on this filth - me, 2013.

>tfw 32,962 standard armor in my inventory and nothing I can do with it

>Crimson Strait
Nah, no more. I'm going to quit out of every single Crimson Strait game from now on.

>>168993238

What's wrong with Crimson Strait as long it's not Escort mode? Plenty of cover on both sides, plenty of urban fighting too and ample opportunity to push

>>168993498
Because it's a piece of shit map.

Holy shit what is with all the absolute retards playing at this hour?

why do those idiots over at the pig still fucking insist in not getting rid of spoopy heat once and for all???

>>168993689

I fail to see what's so shit about it.

.... you're not a muhlurms shitter are you?

>>168994821
And admit it was a bad idea?

>>168995106
it was a shit idea
it was back then, it is now and it always will be
just fucking delete it once and for all and let people build their fucking robots the way they want without punishing them

>>168994835
Out of all the maps in the game Crimson has the LEAST strategic opportunities. Narrow angles make for turtle matches because it's difficult to be aggressive as a team when there's only room for one mech. Extremely long flank routes are useless for anything other than the fastest lights and even then if they are caught they have no way to fall back. A good 60% of the map is never used at all. Honestly it's just not a very enjoyable map at all because every game is just exactly the same game of waiting around until one team pushes the top floor unless the enemy team is on top in which case they push the bottom floor and then it's just more waiting around. Even the old Terra Therma was better.

In my opinion Caustic Valley is the only good map in the game because it's the only one remaining from the original set. It's just a simple layout and simplicity is always better in map design. All of the originals were good maps and I have no idea why they thought that adding four players to both teams would require them to make the maps three times larger.

Mining Collective is also a nice layout but has way too much "detail" that bogs down visual clarity and performance.

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>>168982545
wadda want fag

>>168995180
>it was a shit idea
And you really expect them to admit that?

>>168995641
Fuc kooo Gerg

>>168995641
hi greggy c: !

>>168982915
fuck off haruko

>>168995709
yes

>>168996104
please don't call me greggy

>>168995509
Autistic valley is just a mess, HPG and Canyon are the only actually decent maps because they support various builds, playstyles and approaches, and have minimal visibility and framerate drop problems.

>>168995641
gas yourself pathetic shitstain.

>>168996386
preggy greggy

>>168996413
HPG is nothing but a carousel and you're wrong about Valley. Also HPG is completely unplayable for LRM boats.

>>168990923
i have a question for you and your deep knowledge of the pig..what happened when spoopy heat was slapped into the game?
why did they do it?
what actually was the reason behind that abomination?
whose idea was it?
what was the game before it when you could do everything you wanted?

>>168996912
6 PPC stalkers

>>168997002
and why was that a bad thing again?
even without ghost heat, its not like they could fire non stop, they still would heat up

>>168997080
insta kills

>>168997129
and what was the problem about that?
as long as they can aim properly and manage the heat and the target is retarded and stands still

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>>168996327

>>168997245
Everybody was just hiding the whole match

And if you peeked you died instantly

>>168997353
it is the exact fucking same now
and it always will be
the weapons are different but the shit remains the same

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>>168997129
>>168997245
would pop someone in one shot, two if it was a big mech. this was pre-quirkening so a lot of mechs could probably survive it. this meant that anything short of a void-shielded light would get vaporized, because it's easy as fuck to hit shit with PPCs.

there was also the ORIGINAL RAIDBOSS of MWO, though that was more a combination of SSRMs being broken than the lack of ghost heat. ASRM36 was also much scarier when it came all at once.

>>168997437
No it is not
Maybe you should not have 30 back armour
Go back to tier 5

Why do you think we also have goos charge?

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>>168997245
>and what was the problem about that?
Didn't fit their vision (and the devs got rekt by it too many times).

>>168993689
No, frozen vastness of LRMBoats is a shit map.

>2 hour downtime for an update
how

>>168998067
Yes, so is Crimson.

They're both shit

I have more fun camping E6/E5 on Frozen to force a brawl than I do playing either of those maps

I want a Boiler

>>168998650
Fuck no Frozen is the WORST map in the game.

That fucking valley of death in the middle what were they thinking. It would be so much better if they just removed the middle entirely and brought the two sides together.

>>168998848
GC-3904-85E0F4C467DC6EF0

>>168998980
ty

>>168999220
Wait, did it actually work? Fuck, I was at KFC on my phone

>>168999456
No you would need two codes, one for the standard pack and one to upgrade it to include the hero mech.

>Crimson Strait
>spawn on the worse side
>assaults take a peek inside the tunnel and take return fire from four different enemies inside the tunnel
>they continue to do this until all of our assaults are dead and for some reason all of our mediums and lights decided to go over saddle and cap

Fucking Crimson Strait

WHY AM I ONLY GETTING FUCKING ASS FUCK RETARDED NIGGER RETARDED FUCKING SHIT FUCK TEAMMATES WHY WHY WHY JUST FUCKING KILL YOURSELVES PEOPLE THIS FUCKING STUPID SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO LIVE

>>169000281
Don't play in the mornings if you can't carry

>>169000548
BUT IT'S ALWAYS MORNING SOMEWHERE

>>168997506
SRMs being broken?
more like hit registration working properly back then before they broke it

>>168997709
>defending spoopy heat

lamao

The specific offense is/are:
>ALL-the game is rather hideous and performs like turkish tank driver

Gomen PIG-sama!

>>169001382
>saying the game is different with spoopy heat is defending spoopy heat
kill yourself retard

>>169001472
xD

>>169001382
Zero reading comprehension

Are you american?

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>>169001195
>SRMs
>when I said SSRMs
>saying that hitreg "totally worked guys"

niceme.me

>>169001529
ebin

>americans wake up
>thread turns to shit
who would've known

>>169001597
hit reg worked in closed beta

>>169001704
Remember the rubber banding when you got knocked down?

>>169001704
closed beta MWO also clearly wasn't made by PGI, your point?

>>169001773
remember when you could two shot shitters when your ASRMs actually registered the damage?

Orions are bad.

>>169003085
We know.

>>169003196
I will remind you.

>>169003238
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cQh1ccqu8M

patch time boyos

>have to wait until midsummer for loyalty summoner pods
why

>>169003693
Why not just buy them?

Why is the Victor so wide?

>http://mwomercs.com/status
>HTTP Error 502
lol

>downtime during euro primetime
Thanks piggy.

>>169004393
2 hour downtime :^)
Enjoy your grab deal tomorrow!

>>169004393
Russians did it.

I'm going to run my Boiler with a Standard engine!

>>169005519
Thank you for your contribution.

>>169005559
AND my Supernova SNV-1 too!

>MWO ded
>only MWLL server with players is running TSA
Going to bed desu.

Where's my update?

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Article posted up yesterday with the producer of HGA covering its development history and thoughts on crowdfunding and the state of the mech genre in general.

http://www.gamereactor.eu/articles/507033/Talking+to+Stompy+Bot+Heavy+Gear+Assault+Interview/

http://www.gamereactor.eu/articles/507033/Talking+to+Stompy+Bot+Heavy+Gear+Assault+Interview/?page=2

Flame away.

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>>169009058

>>169009058
>>169009505
Do you have any news on the MWO update?

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>>169009589
Indeed.

>>169009730
Keep me posted.

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>>169009841

>playing MWLL
>enemy controls all four bases after team gets rolled in the initial engagement
>half the team goes afk
>the other teams starts turreting it up in front of their base
Love this meme.

>still on steam client update
reee