/mbg/ - Mount & Blade General

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>>168839932
(Looted) Thread: >>168680186
You're welcome

Do not trust the Rhodok man

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I'm posting Cao Cao in honour of the poster who was posting in honour of the original Cao Cao poster until we get a good Romance of the three kingdoms mod.

>you will never have a pure three kingdoms bannerlord

So did Fierdsvain get buffed in the latest PoP? Or are all the factions the same unbalanced pieces of shit they were earlier

>>168840603
Fiersdvain was actually the original OP PoP. At least so far as autocalc field battles went.

>>168840520
fuuuck
thanks

>>168840603
Can you give a quick briefing about PoP factions? So far, I only noticed that Imperials have the best rhodoks crossbowmen, and Fierdsvain has the best heavy infantry.

>>168840603
usually rather stable without player involvement, the AI logic which declares wars on strong factions to "keep them in check" has a tendency to involve whoever comes out on top in a war with every faction around them

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Swadians couldn't defend their castles if it depended on their life

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because swedish mayo and geko are both open-source I was able to take the 'next - prev' button from geko's report menu and add them mayo so now you can actually view all the faction relations in swedish mayo.
>tfw most modders don't release source so nothing can be fixed

>>168841006
disgusting image

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>>168841101
Say that to my warband and not online and see what happens

>>168841317
can't see anything because the textures are too shit lmfao

>>168841006
>>168841317
Dude your warband is laughing at you.
Look at your helmet, it's a fucking meme. It doesn't even remotely match the rest of your armor.

>>168841006
>winged helm

>>168841006
>entirely covered by blood
>almost full health
You used Ctrl+H, didn't you?

>>168841473
I don't know why they look so shit when I take screenshots, I have the quality on high and it looks good in-game.

>tfw my entire party got turboraped by a couple of amazons using nothing but metal bras and daggers
How do I join these Possessed Doombringers?

>>168839932
why do they look so angry?

>>168841651
After playing Warband enough times I decided to try cheating for once. I didn't Ctrl+H, I just edited my STR to an absurdly high amount.

>>168842005
That's just how rhodok naturally looks like

>>168841075
release that shit, faggot

>>168842870
it's not done yet.
I also fixed the 'known lords by relation' screen and I want to rename some troops that don't have their faction in the name or have improper capitalization.

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How do we still now know which faction has fun polearms yet

>>168843039
*Bannerlord faction

>>168840856
Fierdsvain have the best infantry for sieges and fighting other infantry, but they're generally weak against cav which you'll see a shitton of. Their archers are shit, don't bother. Their shock unit is solid, but empire's is generally better.
Ravenstern have the best archers by far, other troops range from mediocre to good. Has ok horse archers if you're going bother using them, has access to some relatively weak cav.
Empire's crossbowmen are basically rhodok sharpshooters, sword & board infantry are inferior to fierdsvain's top tier by stats, but come with javelins and use swords which make them more rounded, especially if you micro when to throw the javs. Their pikemen are an ok addition in small numbers as a support unit. Best shock troop.
Sarleon's commoner troops generally blow. Their archers are mediocre and their top tier inf is a halberdier which (obviously) doesn't come with a shield.
Dshar has solid sword & board infantry at the end of the tree, but the preceding troops are shit. I think their pike troop is slightly better than empire's. Mediocre archers, solid horsearchers. Only commoner tree cav that is worth using.

This only refers to the commoner trees, which is what you'll be getting if you're not a vassal or a sovereign, though you can sometimes get some nobles from prisoners. All noble trees typically end with heavy cav that has sword+shield and lance/bow/jav. Fierdsvain's nobles are easily the worst, Sarleons are probably the best.

>>168843039
The Jatu in PoP Bannerlord Edition.

>>168844051
Fiersdvain Berserker has higher stats and their assured two-handed weapon usage makes their utility predictable. Gladiator weapon spread Vaegir style random and their armor low tier armor just isn't significant enough to be a significant factor when comparing the two. The top tier Fiersdavain common infantry actually has superior stats to many honor knights - So they should not be underestimated. There is probably no better unit to efficiently slaughter super units than Beserkers as nothing kills things as efficiently as Beserkers.

Fiersdvain is just boring in that they are essentially just Nord+.

Ravenstern Rangers can kill many infantry in a melee thanks to having high power strike + two-handers and their rangers have power draw 6 and high overall stats. Ravenstern can feasibly go full commoner archer force and easily win the mod.

D'Shar is horribly overrated in that; while they have objectively superior top-tier infantry to Fiersdvain, D'Shar Blademen's high level makes training them efficiently essentially impossible. D'Shar Assassins are probably the worst of the glass cannon infantry as well due to randomly spawning with horses.

Sarleon halberdiers are strong it is just that they are the faction that most desperately needs their noble unit to function. Basically they can't force factions like Empire and Ravenstern to close in with their inferior archers and they can't safely close in with their Halberdiers unless they use Cavalry to engage them first.

Empire is overall strong. Their Legionnaires; and infantry as a whole with exception to Immortals, were pretty underwhelming to my memory once a melee really broke out though.

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>>168844084
>Jatu
>Unmounted combat

>>168845105
>D'Shar Blademen's high level makes training them efficiently essentially impossible. D'Shar Assassins
Those two don't even exist in the latest version, some of the unit stats have supposedly been adjusted as well

>>168843039
stop posting this chinese shit, its fucking cringe

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>>168845391
Oh wow, I did not think they changed the D'Shar that much. I had been mocking the D'Shar design (non-aesthetics) and calling them overrated for years now. So I'm not terribly surprised that they were completely revamped. Before they were basically Nords with Scimitars and throwing knives. I would say noble mounted archers but I don't think anyone actually uses them.

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>>168845473
Nah. Alternating weapon grips and getting rid of stupid minimum range limitations for thrust attacks in particular would be great too.

>>168846886
or just use a shorter weapon

>>168847005
Don't trigger the spearfags please

>>168846886
Don't listen to this faggot >>168845473
Keep posting polearm chinkino.

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>>168847005
Part of the advantage of a polearm is ability to change grip not merely reach. 1H weapons would still have the benefit of shield usage.

The implementation of thrust attack minimum range is just dumb. Its not even defensible from a gameplay perspective due to breaking unit AI.

>>168847364
or just use a sidearm
because having one weapon that can just do everything would be dumb as fuck

>>168847364
>The implementation of thrust attack minimum range is just dumb
doesn't exist

>>168847549
Halberds can do almost everything but would be terrible in enclosed spaces

>>168847638
>has never tried to thrust attack someone while hugging them
do you even play the game?

>>168847549
Most Polearms can't be competently used with shields. Balancing weapons around making swords viable is part of the problem.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpGz6orJaRU
It so goddamn good

What's a good ancient or ancientish mod? I want something with no guns and minimal horsefaggotry. Just yuge clashes of infantry and some archery.

Is VC the best I'm gonna get?

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>>168847813
pollaxe would be a better example since they can do what halberds do but more since they're built for versatility, but like you say they're shit in CQC where swords and daggers are better
>>168847979
>do you even play the game?
do you?
>Most Polearms can't be competently used with shields. Balancing weapons around making swords viable is part of the problem.
what the fuck are you even talking about

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>>168847979
Does NOT exist

>>168848058
>not wearing padding under your mail coif
enjoy getting concussions from even the slightest touch

>>168848372
stupid technique that's necessary only because a minimum range exists when used as intended, and NPCs can't even do it.
we're talking about improving spears so shit like this is no longer needed.

>>168848372
>using an exploit to overcome design limitation
There is a reason why I mentioned "breaking unit AI." That such an exploit is so common in MP is both an illustration of the absurdity of the mechanic and that it should not be in the game in the first place.

>>168848415
dude It just a stock photo

>>168848582
>exploit
I bet you think feinting is "animation glitching" too

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>>168848665
No such thing as an excuse for a ___________/his/fag________

>>168848309
>Use an illustration of the lowest reach weapon in the game (fists) in a conversation of polearms
???

Many Polearms such as the Poleaxe and Glaive cannot be used with shield at all. Polearms that can be used with shields; such as spears, tend to have their moveset limited to just down thrust. Even with upstab implemented we are looking at 4 vs 2 attacks.

Not being able to use shields at all or having your moveset limited with a shield equipped is a pretty big negative.

>>168848702
You can sometimes attack through walls using this technique. Attack the ground/air so you can use a spear as essentially a light saber is if nothing else dumb as shit.

>>168848309
>dagger
>>168848372
>does not exist
>post webm that proves that it exists

kys fucking niggers

>>168848786
>fists
>it's a dagger
how dumb are you
>Many Polearms such as the Poleaxe and Glaive cannot be used with shield at all.
that's a good thing
>Even with upstab implemented we are looking at 4 vs 2 attacks.
you don't need 4, 2 is fine

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>>168848940

>>168849009
eh, I glanced at the video and didn't see the tiny camo knife. Either way you are selectively using an absurdly low reach weapon to prove a non-point for higher reach weapons.

And yes. If you could read into context at all I am presenting shield limitations as a good thing. That is the entire point. Do you have a point yourself or are you just trying to post inane contradictions?

>>168849243
spoiler alert
shorter weapons are better in close range
longer weapons are not

can someone tell me why WFaS crashes on me all the time?
i dont have any mods and i have load textures on demand set to on

>>168849515
mod is broke

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>>168849347
>what are alternating grips

>>168849671
hafted weapons have all of the haft behind them even when choked up
this makes them bad to use in close quarters, which is why knights always had rondel daggers

>>168849620
i just want my 1655 pike and shot mane

>>168849797
It's BROKE

>>168849789
Rondel Daggers were used for grappling. There are plenty of CQC techniques for polearms; and even swords, for full body takedowns. Ideally you are not going to the ground with your opponent (grappling) as that means you will need discard your primary weapon and expose yourself to every potential attacker around you.

>>168849978
this doesn't make polearms any better for a range that close because they have all of that mass and material behind them
there's a point where you're too close for swords too
you could just accept the fact that polearms aren't super weapons that can be used at any range, and carry a sidearm as well as a polearm

>>168849671
anyone can read manuscript here?

>>168850131
The shaft itself serves as an effective lever for grappling your opponent to the ground or bashing them. You're philosophical point seems like a non-issue to me.

What it comes to gameplay mechanics; which really matter, minimum thrust breaks unit AI and players are ignoring it through exploits anyways.

When it comes to polearms there are already implicit disadvantages to the polearms where grip variation would be useful (shield usage more obviously) and the issue with Warband's dagger extend beyond reach in that it is essentially treated as a joke weapon for peasant women.

>>168850174
Try google translate my man

What module is best for playing a qt female lord?

>>168850427
>The shaft itself serves as an effective lever for grappling your opponent to the ground or bashing them
not when you're too close
if you're too close it gets in the way
if these were so effective in close range rondel daggers wouldn't even be necessary because they've got a polearm
but as it stands, no, a 6ft polearm is awkward in close range because it's 6 feet long
>minimum thrust breaks unit AI
no it doesn't
it's polearms being too gimped by default in native because of balance
>and players are ignoring it through exploits anyways.
that isn't exploiting
>that it is essentially treated as a joke weapon for peasant women.
this is, again, bad balance on native's part
entirely possible to make an effective dagger for close combat
the rest of your post is incomprehensible

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Why not just treat raise the stat requirements of more versatile Polearms. Its already a bit odd that Polearms have no representation as strength weapons despite the shaft allowing more brute force.

>>168850894
What are you trying to argue

>>168851010
>CAN CRUSH THROUGH BLOCKS.webm

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Posted in wrong general because I'm a dumbass

Is this doable or should I abandon ship?

I have 22 swadi knights, 22 sargents, 23 sharpshooters and some other lowlevels.

>>168846886
Sau Ce?

>>168851010
Did that guy just cut through wood with a PVC pipe?

>>168851304
run

>>168851337
Yes
That's just how strong polearms are in real life.

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>>168851304
>23 sharpshooters
Do it faggot.

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>>168850894
>if these were so effective in close range rondel daggers wouldn't even be necessary because they've got a polearm
Professional Warriors always carried multiple weapons. By the time a Rondel Dagger was drawn your primary weapon was likely completely discarded and you have grabbed your opponent in some fashion. Obviously you are not going to be using a two-handed weapon when you are grabbing the other person with your hands. Daggers have always been rather unique in that you could competently grab a person while maintaining grip with the knife with the same hand. This is also likely why Daggers and Swords are treated as completely different weapon categories. Weapon categories tend to evolve due to the techniques associated with them rather than superficial appearances (much as why many refer to spears and polearms as seperate weapon types).

>it's polearms being too gimped by default in native because of balance
>(weapon dragging) that isn't exploiting
seriously?

>this is, again, bad balance on native's part, entirely possible to make an effective dagger for close combat
Possible yes. In a manner that is consistent with it's historic usage however? Likely not. Grappling will likely never be a M&B mechanic.

>the rest of your post is incomprehensible
>responds to all points including the very last sentence
Seriously?

>>168851304
What does the castle garrison look like? Or are you the castle garrison? If you have the sally out option, you can hold on till the start the siege, beat them in that fight to make them restart the siege, and chances are good they will fuck off or allies will back you up by then.

>>168841075
>>168842870

http://www.mediafire.com/file/8x0sid3rb4aw3uu/presentations.txt
here's the new presenations. I'm not sure if it's save game compatible but it should be.

>>168851524
>seriously?
it's not exploiting no matter how much you cry about it

>>168851530
Garrison is a single peasant woman
>hold on till the start the siege, beat them in that fight to make them restart the siege
I totally forgot siege defense happens in waves, I actually might have a chance here

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Alternate close range weapon modes for polearms. Take a page from upstabanon's book.

>>168851685
It literally is. Exploits don't mean bad or good, they are just techniques to circumvent an intended mechanic. AI can't take advantage of this because it's an exploit and instead they play by the rules, retardly trying to stab you while hugging you even though it will never do any damage.

>>168851805
I was talking about the sally out option if you can use it. 22 swadian knights and 22 sergeants should easily when in a small arena brawl.

>>168852047

Sure, but then polearms need to be destroyable like shields to balance them with swords

>>168852060
if it wasn't intentional they would've locked the rotational axis on all attack directions
>AI can't take advantage of this because it's an exploit
the AI can't take advantage of anything because they're fucking dumb

>>168852108
Who cares about balance

>>168852174
>the AI can't take advantage of anything because they're fucking dumb
weapons should be balanced around the AI

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>>168852108
Only if you can take the two sharp pieces and dual wield them as mini spears like you are in a chink movie or something.

>>168852179

>I want my spears to be the best and OP

Fucking spearfags, stop overcompensating for your little diglet
You never see sword/axe/macefags whinge

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>>168852108
>implying that swords are indestructible weapons
The idea that every weapon needs to be balanced around swords is cancer

>>168850131
The sidearm was for if you lost your polearm. Polearms ARE super weapons that can be used at any range. Swords, maces, etc, were always carried as backup weapons, not 'oh gosh he stepped towards me' weapons.

Particularly shorter polearms like polehammers. A polehammer should have no minimum range.

In game 'two handed weapons' function pretty much the way polearms should function. There really should be no distinction. A special distinction for really long pole weapons designed to be used exclusively for infantry which would be pretty shit up close like great big fucking pikes is reasonable, but the game is putting shorter spears, poleaxes, and multi-purpose two handed weapons which happened to have a wooden pole somewhere in them in this retarded minimum range catagory

>>168852272
Balance for the sake of balance doesn't make fun gameplay

>>168852239
the AI could be not retarded instead

>>168852174
Now your just being obtuse. That it a horrible solution.

>>168852370
the game would look fucking stupid if the AI span around like polearm users in MP

>>168852438
It doesn't even look that stupid tho

>>168852267

You can have the metal end, this isn't an anime
Unless you wanna support weebshit and waifus in which case I am in full support of your idea

>>168852327

Swords would literally hack off shards of the shaft, an axe even more devastating

>>168852358

Make spears the best in every situation is lack of variety, how is that fun?
Without a trade off it's like automatic crossbows a pure upgrade

>>168852531
it does, they basically point the weapon at the ground and spin upwards. to a casual observer seeing and entire formation of spearmen doing that would look like an animations glitch.

>>168852391
no, because that's what would solve that """exploit"""
>>168852357
>The sidearm was for if you lost your polearm
the sidearm was used for many things, that could be one of them but also for use in situations where it could be better to use
>Polearms ARE super weapons that can be used at any range.
no
>Swords, maces, etc, were always carried as backup weapons,
no because swords are not only secondary weapons, they're also primary weapons in a variety of historical periods
maces are generally primary weapons
>A polehammer should have no minimum range.
no
>In game 'two handed weapons' function pretty much the way polearms should function.
that's because "two handed weapons" are close range infantry polearms
that's the whole point of the class distinction
polearms are supposed to be medium to long range ones

>>168852625
>Swords would literally hack off shards of the shaft, an axe even more devastating
This has been disproven in actual practice. This hacking largely assumes that the shaft is perfectly rigid with an ideal cutting angle given to the attacker. This is almost never the case due to the polearm user constantly angling their weapon and even just their arms absorbing much of the force even when there is direct contact.

I also never said to make spears or polearms the best in every category. From the beginning I even mentioned that there are implicit disadvantages even in the current system with shields.

>>168852108
The balance for swords is that you can use a shield with them

Also they should really make it so you can only carry one 'large weapon'

pole weapons
bows
crossbows

then it would make sense.

Everyone who was not ranged brought a pole weapon into battle. Knights when fighting on foot brought polehammers, men at arms bought halberds and the like, peasants brought pitchforks. Everyone brought a pole weapon. So having a battlefield build that does not include a pole weapon (or bow) is automatically incorrect.

>>168852673
>no, because that's what would solve that """exploit"""
Or you know, removing the minimum thrust distance in the first place, instead of making it so that once you start your swing your entire character locks into a single direction and can't adjust where they are aiming their weapon so that now you can literally run past a person thrusting or doing an overhand attack.

>>168852873
>removing the minimum thrust distance in the first place
you know there's no "minimum thrust distance" right it's based on reach
short polearms can thrust fine at point blank

>>168852960
that the minimum thrust distance is conditional with weapon reach does not change the existence of the mechanic

>>168853102
it instead means that it isn't the problem, the fact you're using a weapon too long for the distance is

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>>168853227
>breaks unit ai
>players exploit weapon dragging to avoid it
>not a problem
How do you even argue with someone this dense. Your point is even irrelevant since players can ignore it via said exploit presented as an argument against minimum thrust distance.

>>168852792

A short range mode would make it the best due to the ranger, don't act dumb there's a reason why bastard swords are better than pure two hander/one handers, versatility

>>168852836

>The balance for swords is that you can use a shield with them

Zweihanders

>Also they should really make it so you can only carry one 'large weapon'

No fuck that, no fun, no one wants that
Either go all the way in or go full realism don't half ass it, pick fun or realism a psuedo historic aesthetic does not affect either

>Muh historical accuracy

Mad gay son, all I inferred was if you want the advantages you need to take the disadvantages of it and you jumped to game mechanics because you're a faggot

>>168853447
>breaks unit ai
because the AI is dumb
>exploit
there's that word again
>not a problem
i never said how it works is perfected, but it's not nearly the problem you're making it out to be

>>168852673
>swords are not only secondary weapons
Yes they are. They fucking are.
>muh zweihander
essentually a sword shaped polearm
>muh romans
>muh vikings
The shield is the primary weapon here. In the case of the romans the formation was the primary weapon, in the case of the vikings, a viking round shield is the primary weapon, its what you lead in with, you close the lines, you rush with the shield, the sword is there to stab someone after the fact.

Neither of these are going to work against heavily armored oponents though. You need a two handed weapon to viably defeat heavy armor, which is why people used two handed weapons when complete body armor became a thing

>muh rondel
literally a last resort weapon, optimized to be as good as it could be given the fact that you are pretty much fucked if its come to that. Because modern soldiers carry combat knives doesnt mean thats some special weapon they pull out at close range because its optimal, its optimal to fucking shoot someone.

Maces are not 'primary weapons'. A mace is the sidearm a knight would cary because a sword is completely useless against someone in full armor. Absolutely useless. Its not going to do shit to articulated plate. So if you lost your polehammer, well, at least you have a mace.

>thats because
then why are there no spears?

Polehammers were typically around 3 feet long

>>168853451
>don't act dumb there's a reason why bastard swords are better than pure two hander/one handers, versatility
You do realize they suffer a one-handed penalty right? Claiming that bastard swords are better than two/one handers is a pretty wild claim.

Zweihanders were used; and even carried idle, much like Polearms. So they are an extremely poor example.

>No fuck that, no fun, no one wants that
>in a topic where multiple people are presenting arguments for it
You not wanting it != Everyone.

>Mad gay son, all I inferred was if you want the advantages you need to take the disadvantages of it and you jumped to game mechanics because you're a faggot
wut, not even same anon either but your name calling isn't substitute for an actual argument

>>168853451
>Zweihanders
A sword shaped polearm. They even have a second fucking crossguard because they arehalfsworded like 90% of the time.

>>168853728
>Yes they are. They fucking are.
plenty of examples in history of swords being used as primary weapons
romans, 15th century armoured combat, 2h swords in the 16th century, swords used by officers during the line infantry days
>the sword is there to stab someone after the fact.
viking swords aren't stab oriented
>literally a last resort weapon
where did you hear that meme shit from
it's designed to be used in close range against gaps in plate like voiders
>You need a two handed weapon to viably defeat heavy armor
rondel
>which is why people used two handed weapons when complete body armor
and one handed swords
>Maces are not 'primary weapons'
they sure are, carried with a sword and shield in the 13th century
being one handed doesn't make it a secondary
>So if you lost your polehammer, well, at least you have a mace
why would you carry two weapons that do the same thing
>Polehammers were typically around 3 feet long
they were usually the same length as pollaxes
unless you're talking one handed hammers

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What is with all these autists screaming about polearms and sword? I just want to talk about butter.

>>168854254
This meme has fallen into reddit hands. It's time to move on or make it normie-unfriendly.

>>168854254
We'll go back to speaking about dead memes soon enough just go back to sleep famalam

>>168853843
that's not what the lugs are for, they're for parrying polearms so you don't get stabbed in the face

>>168854385
We need to associate butter with some more anti-semitic stuff.

>>168854254
>Implying you are not an autist as well
Just accept who the target audience for Warband really is and embrace it's glory

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>>168854415
Alright. Good night.

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>>168851304
Okay so turns out all of those guys were there by coincidence and ran off to some shithole village

now I'm dissapointed

>>168840603
They got fucked in less than 150 days in my recent game. Only 1 city remains, and I didn't do shit.
The dshar/sarleon fucked them hard.

>>168854153
>and one handed swords

Swords are a popular sidearm used by cavalry because they are just fine for cutting down routing peasants. The reason maces were even a thing was as a sword alternative if you needed something effective against armor. Swords are not effective against heavy armor.

Viking swords are typical cut and thrust swords.

Nobody picked a one handed sword to fight a fully armored opponent. It has never happened in the entire history of existance. Nobody thought that was a good idea. Even the stupidest retard realized it was a bad idea and he took an axe or something.

Being one handed makes a weapon a secondary weapon unless you are using a shield before the point that armor improved to where it did. Which i will remind you it has in mountain blade because we have full articulated plate in game.

>do the same thing
Because if you need to fight someone in armor and you lose your primary weapon its nice to have a secondary weapon that can also be used against armor.

>same length as poleaxes
this is false. Polehammers were almost exclusively used by the wealthy and elite when fighting on foot. They are not a standard infantry polearm. They were designed essentially for armored combat. A polehammer is a specific thing. You cant call just any old polearm with a bludgeony bit at the end a polehammer.

>>168855427
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdx8kNo_ouA
>Because if you need to fight someone in armor and you lose your primary weapon its nice to have a secondary weapon that can also be used against armor.
yeah it's called a sword or a rondel
maces were also mainly used with a shield
>A polehammer is a specific thing.
no it isn't
a lucerne hammer or a bec de corbin is a specific style of warhammer
a polehammer is as loose and vague as poleaxe, while pollaxe is a more specific connotation

>>168855767
>post a video explaining swords are secondary weapons, and that pole weapons are the primary weapon
>the exceptions he mentions are mostly the ones ive already addressed

And you still keep insisting the ludicrous idea that swords are in any way optimized for fighting armor.
Because some special kinds of swords were made to be less crap against armor does not in any way mean that swords are good against armor. It meant that some people wanted swords, which were not hopeless against armor, because they wanted a sword. So they made swords which were as good as they could be against armor - which was still crap, but not hopeless.

Then someone wrote treatises for their use, likly because they are so shit against armor they need special instruction. And then you, you come along, and take that to mean that these were magical anti armor weapons? No sword has ever been ideal for use against armor. Not a one, not ever. There has always been an alternative weapon of similar weight and dimension that would serve you better against armor.

>>168856716
>And you still keep insisting the ludicrous idea that swords are in any way optimized for fighting armor.
yes that's why swords became more thrust oriented toward the 15th century
>Because some special kinds of swords
http://www.albion-swords.com/articles/oakeshott-typology.htm
look at how swords become more thrust oriented over the years
that isn't "special cases" that's a general trend
>Then someone wrote treatises for their use, likly because they are so shit against armor they need special instruction.
is that why polearms had treatise to be used against armour? what a stupid "point"
>magical anti armor weapons?
i never said that at all
>There has always been an alternative weapon of similar weight and dimension that would serve you better against armor.
better how exactly? because anti armor weapons like maces and warhammers have significant drawbacks
swords are versatile, that's the point

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>>/his/2383594
The tales of the welsh empire are spreading to /mbg/'s colonies.

>>168857380
>>>/his/2383594

>>168857460
>>168857521
Thanks pham.

>>168857104
>yes that's why swords became more thrust oriented toward the 15th century
Thrusting became more popular in general. And again, because swords were being made to be 'less ineffective' against armor does not mean they were ever the first choice. Swords have several advantages and most people were not armored, so wanting a sword was perfectly naturally, and wanting your sword to have a little bit of its disadvantage against armor removed was also reasonable. This does not mean it was the optimal weapon to use against armor.

>special case
I was referring to things like an estoc

>is that why polearms had treatise
No, polearms had treatises because they were everywhere.

Treatises follow the weapon, not the other way around. The point in making is you can not claim that the existance of a treatise on how to use X weapon for Y purpose proves that it was generally considered a good idea to actually use X weapon for Y purpose, just that it was acknowledged that people with X weapon may find themselves in a situation where that all theyve got to deal with Y. - there are knife fighting manuals and nobody has ever reccomended someone get into a knife fight, but because people carry knives generally for utility, techniques for fighting with them were developed. If people knew they were going to be in a fight they would bring something else. Likewise if someone knew they were going to be fighting someone in full armor they would not pick a sword.

>better how exactly?
At defeating armor and fighting someone in armor
>versitile
exactly, most people were not fully armored or only had cloth armor, and swords are great at that kind of thing. This is why swords remained popular.
Specialized anti armor weapons were usually carried only by people also in full armor because its not going to matter if you have something good at defeating armor if you are not armored yourself, you will die before you can use it effectively.

>>168857104
>swords are versatile, that's the point
not certain why this is worth emphasizing as polearms tended to be far more versatile. A sword being less crap against armor is a far cry from it being effective against armor. Especially when the design is intended to get around the armor and target gaps.

There are video illustrations of >50 year old obese men being able to slam in plate armor with a pollaxe. Yes they were rather effective against armor.

>>168858287
>Thrusting became more popular in general.
yeah, because of armour
why else would it be more popular
if the sword wasn't optimal for use against armoured combat you wouldn't see depictions of formation fighting armoured men using swords as well as pollaxes
>No, polearms had treatises because they were everywhere.
well what a coincidence because swords were everywhere too
>At defeating armor and fighting someone in armor
you're half right there, because those weapons can be better at defeating armour but worse at fighting armour, because they cannot defend themself as well as a sword
>most people were not fully armored or only had cloth armor
this depends what period you're talking about
>This is why swords remained popular.
more to do with the fact they're versatile and easily carried unlike most other weapons

>>168858356
because versatility isn't just combat usage but every other aspect

>>168858815
This is only valid if your idea of versatility is killing random civilians in petty honor duels. This is especially if we go more broadly and remember that the spear is perhaps the most ancient hunting weapon in human history.

>>168858950
i said not just combat usage
carrying and wearing everyday and on the march is a good example

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>>168859083
If you are marching around with a weapon you are just transporting yourself to a battle field. Carrying it for the bar fight that shouldn't be happening in the first place is just preparation for combat.

Gathering food for yourself and family is a pretty important utility.

>>168859337
that was a comparison to carrying a sword to a mace or a warhammer, not a spear

>>168858669
>why else would it be more popular
It became more popular for unarmored combat as well. If you look at the history of sword thought it tends to fluctuate back and forth between thrust favoring and cut favoring. You can see this back and forth right up until swords stopped being used at all, even in the 19th and early 20th centuries.

>cannot defend
armor defends you. As i said anti-armor weapons were mainly used by people wearing their own armor. It doesnt matter what weapon you have if you are unarmored and someone in full armor comes after you you are fucked.

>>168859921
>If you look at the history of sword thought it tends to fluctuate back and forth between thrust favoring and cut favoring
it doesn't fluctuate you just have different swords for different things
at the same time you have 15th century styled thrust oriented swords, you've got messers and falchions
during the later part of the 19th century you've got cavalry sabers right next to entirely thrust centric cavalry swords used in place of lances
>armor defends you.
not from other anti armour weapons

>>168860239
>it doesn't fluctuate
Yes it does. There are swords of varying types but the popularity amongst the 'combat intellectuals' for lack of a better word tends to go back and forth with different things being in style.

>not from
you need armor to engage someone else in armor, or numbers, or a gun.

Someone in armor can just rush an unarmored person regardless of what weapon they have. There are too many ways they can hit the other person with good effect and too few ways they themselves can be attacked. You need your own armor that makes most attacks against you ineffective in order to have the ability to get close enough to try and defeat the oponents armor.

>>168860714
>you need armor to engage someone else in armor
when did i say that wasn't true
i said swords have the advantage of being able to effectively defend themselves, while maces and warhammers really don't by themselves
this is not a problem against weapons that are not anti armour weapons
if two armoured people are both using anti armour weapons like maces and warhammers by themselves, then they can not effectively defend themselves from their opponents blows because those weapons are not effective for parrying or grappling
however if one had a sword, then one could defend themselves effectively

Reinstalled.
PoP, Nova Aetus or Viking?

>>168861787
VC

>>168861787
Roll of the dice between PoP and VC depending on preferences. If you want a total conversion that is still fundamentally Native warband in mechanics go PoP. If you want to experiment with a complete revamp of gameplay mechanics go VC.

>>168862247
Is it true that VC gameplay is kinda locked to an actual campaign?

>>168863176
There's a story mod and a sandbox mode.

>>168863176
Gameplay no. There is some equipment that is story mode only however.

>>168863498
Oh, alright.

Hrmm, guess I'll flip a coin.Tough choice. I hadn't even realized PoP was getting updates again. Haven't played since I think 3.6.

And I hear VC is actually legit as fuck now after a wonky first edition.

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someone should finish amazon mod

>>168865096
there's nothing to finish, it never even made it to alpha

>>168865096
A mod like Amazonia won't be that interesting until Bannerlord anyways due to theoretic child system.

Why in the world would I demean myself supplying pussy for other men. Absolutely disgusting.

>>168865096
my dick

>>168865201
I could release it I guess? I put out the assets a while back but I don't think anyone really cared lol

>>168865785
have you given up?
if so then please post the module with source and anything else you have

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>>168865903
I wouldn't say given up, just bored and distracted by other things. I'm sure at some point I would have come back to it. But if anyone wants to keep working on it, then they're free to do so. I want to see amazons in m&b too!

https://mega.nz/fm/PJAVDZRK

>>168866365
thanks m8 but I don't think that's a share link

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>>168866581
Weird, let's try this..

https://mega.nz/#F!fEoHDJoT!qx7827pMh54kaUYDe6C6Qg
https://mega.nz/#F!adJWjR7Y!PKZrdBvxcV-VYZ3MmQ4lZA

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any last words, /mbg/?

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>>168868510
>Deflects bullet
Nothing personal

>>168847192
For (you)

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>>168868510
Heh, too slow......

>stuck in my own castle because they wont stop besieging it

Does honor really matter? Can I just indefinitely imprison every fucking lord indefinitely holy shit let me conquer already

Does anyone know how multiple projectiles are done?
Is there a script or something I can just snip script.txt or module_scripts.py out of somewhere?

>>168870843
check NW source for musketoon

>>168871195
Where an I find that if I don't own NW?

Currently doing a donald trump build where I just hold controlspace and trade around the map, just opened my first dyeworks in Veluca since the guild master said thats the most prosperous town

any tips to make some mad dosh trading? I always participate in the tournaments of towns I visit and win of course. This is my first time really playing the game without cheats and its pretty fun just running around trading

>>168871297
you download source from TW site

Is there anyway somebody could upload the mod The Parabellum as a torrent somewhere?

Every file I download lately ends up extremely corrupted, except for torrents for some reason.

How do I not suck in Floris mod? I find recruits do jack shit. Also I'm not making money, I only seem to be finding quests on killing bandits that are hard to kill; or delivering cattle & grain which doesn't net me any money.

>>168872859
Recruits don't do jack shit in any mod.
If you want your troops to be not-ass get a trainer companion like lezalit so they're at least T2.
Pick your battles and have some pathfinding.

What makes Native easier is generally what makes Floris easier.

>>168873105
>Pick your battles and have some pathfinding.
I can never find looters, so my only choice is whatever bandits that are roaming like forest bandits.
It's hard as fuck finding the companion you want.

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>>168872859
>Floris

>>168873259
Get a mercenary contract with any faction and then enjoy the infinite money they throw at you (it grows to compensate for how much wages your part costs). Now go hire all the high tier mercenaries you can find.

>>168861180
You can wield a mace alongside a shield. Saw someone test weapons against chainmail recently and swords were completely useless against that.
Even a rondel would in most cases not penetrate deep enough to cause lethal injuries but it would most certainly hurt and be somewhat tricky to remove so my guess is that daggers were either used to finish someone off who was lying helplessly on the ground or to hinder and hurt someone by stabbing them in the armpit or wherever a gap was and leaving the dagger stuck.

>>168873461
What's wrong with Floris? I wanted to play the game close to vanilla with more features. I got bored in native, but probably because I was on easy.

>>168873475
Don't have enough money to hire them initially from the tavern. I guess this is where money lending comes into play?

MBG

I NEED GOOD EARLY MEDIEVAL MODS

WHAT ARE SOME MODS SET PRIOR TO 1150 AD.

>>168873721
VC

>>168873809
I should have specified, bit later than that, I'm looking for Norman Conquest era mods. I want to skullfuck Saxons as a French Viking.

>>168873882
>Normans
>French Viking
kys

>>168873565
>I wanted to play the game close to vanilla with more feature
Legitimately this perception, especially as many Newbies were playing Floris before touching Native. With the extended troop trees, peculiar cultural changes to factions that are not even consistent with time period between factions, and bloat of features like changing animations (which are doubly horrendous for newbies).

Other people have different issues but that is the main one for me.

If you want Native+ I would go with DIplomacy or Tocans. Enable Dark Knights and take a shot at a player faction if the mod allows it. And take it off easy if you don't want to be bored.

>>168874186
Can you join the Dark Knights?

>>168874247
I don't think so but I heard others claiming otherwise.

While the Dark Knights are formidable to fight they are actually pretty bad when used by the player due to excessive upkeep costs though.

>>168863498
>>168863901

Alright.
Pagan or Christian?

>>168874353
be adventurous and follow your gut m8

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>>168874353

>>168873475
>Get a mercenary contract with any faction and then enjoy the infinite money they throw at you (it grows to compensate for how much wages your part costs). Now go hire all the high tier mercenaries you can find.
>>168873565
>Don't have enough money to hire them initially from the tavern. I guess this is where money lending comes into play?

So if I don't have enough starting money for the initial hire, what should I do? If I take a loan, what's my best bet of paying it off?

>>168873565
I literally have no idea what you're doing wrong.
Buy a lance, a blunt one if you can find it, and 1 shot kniggas and then ransom them.
Join tournaments in praven/suno where everyone is a lancer. If you know how to lance it's hard to lose, especially if you're willing to tone down the difficulty.
Become a mercenary for a faction so you don't have to worry about troop costs so much.
Fight with your faction so you can get some dank loot and rescue high-tier troops as prisoners.

>>168875227
It's just hard to get hiring money when all the quests are ones that are too hard like killing bandits, rescuing prisoners, or don't give money like give this village grain.

Enlisting for an army is boring too because waiting takes long.

So if i made my own faction to early, do i have to worry about anything if they take my castle?
I've been defending it over and over probably killed 10k troops at this point

Though it is pretty good for grinding relations with lords.

Should i just let it go and build my army or keep grinding on it until i can face tank armies?

>>168875589
worry about filthy sarranids trying to join you

Are ranged units worth getting in VC? If so, are Pictish Elite Skirmishers good? They seem to be the only units with crossbows. Thanks /mbg/.

Is it just me or is it when you finish the tutorial quest that looters disappear?

>>168876289
No but they do seem to become less frequent with time

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>>168875457
Stop doing quests,then - Floris isn't 1257AD.
The tutorial quest nets you like at least 1k when you combine the all the money from helping him and the bandit hideout loot. That's enough for a shitty lance.
Now that you have your 1-shot machine get like a dozen guys, find some dudes, and lance them to death. Some guys will level up at the end. Repeat the process a couple times and you're golden.
It's even better if you have a training companion to get all the T1 fuccbois to T2 overnight.

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This is actually a really neat skill. Why does no other mod do anything like this?

Also holy shit I forog thow much fun 1866 is. It is a shame this was never remade for Warband.
and not that shitty GABBY mod.png

>haven't finished tutorial quest
>meet the king
>tells me to collect taxes from Praven
>get 7.2k of taxes
wat

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>>168876683
>CHA
>3

>>168876803
I guess that is from my background choices? Still 24 seems kind of low for attributes but it has been so long since I've played the original M&B it might be normal.

>>168875761
They're good to have, if you use them well. You don't need nearly as many as ai lords field, they just leave them in a big unarmored line for your cav to run a wedge down once the shieldwalls are locked in. 15-20 is fine for an army of 200-300, just spread them out and hold fire until they're in position on high ground and they will mince peasants until the enemy lord feels bullied and orders a charge.


Actually I play Dark Age, iirc ranged units actually are kind of shit in regular VC. Might still be worth taking some.

I heard that Bannerlord let's you slaughter horses to feed your troops.

>>168877213
there's actually an unused horse meat item in native

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The wild west sure was a crazy place.

>>168876978
I tested it out of curiosity, it seems 1866 starting choices aren't perfectly balanced in attributes (I got 25 with one setup) and it's lower than native.

>>168877253
In Bannerlord it will be used.

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>ctrl+space doesn't work
>can't hold "attack" while reloading and imediatly start aiming when done
Holy shit I've been taking the smallest things for granted in Warband.

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>>168877764
Yeah
The weapon swing animations are so much worse too. I really hope it gets revived for Bannerlord.

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>>168876803
>giving a shit about Charisma

>>168876683
Carry on brave anon. Carry on

>>168877764
>ctrl+space doesn't work
welp, that explains why I spent so much of my early Warband play at normal map speed

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>>168877835
Also the "large" sombreros are to small.
Plus there doesn't seem to be a Sombrero + Cigarette option which is unforgivable.
I'll have to fix this myself in OpenBrf

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MILORD

There are still no arguments whatsover on why >floris is bad.

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>>168878098
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>168878098

>>168878226
If you ignore them all, then yea that is kinda true I guess.

>>168878282
What do you mean by 'them all'? I've seen no list.

>>168878337
some anon listed a few of them earlier, scroll up.

>>168878282
>>168878337
Can we please not have this shitty argument for the 100th time

>>168878393
>100th time
it's been way more times than that

>>168878431
Sorry, my 0 key got stuck.

Blog in 9 days.

>>168878393
I'm not arguing, I'm just telling >>168878226 that
>There are still no arguments whatsover on why >floris is bad
is untrue.
He might not be a shitposter, it might actually be his first time on /mbg/. I like to give the benefit of the doubt.

http://www.nexusmods.com/mountandblade/mods/5959/?

Is there a way I can wait faster inside castles and towns? Also how can I know when I'm healed up during waiting?

>>168878623
They're all shitposters.


Pick any ten posts in this general and ten of them will be shitpost.

>>168848415
>>168850427
>>168852267
>>168853842
>>168858356
>>168866365
>>168873531
>>168876491
>>168878857
Lets see what we get.

>>168840548
Anyway how's the mod looking right now?

>Swedish Mayo is unbalanced and too based on Native
>Geko is boring
>ACOK is shit
>Floris is unbalanced as shit
>AWOIAF is unfinished
>AD1257 has too big map
>TLD is based on original M&B and has shit AI
is there any mod except VC without glaring flaws?

>mercenary
>die and lose army, and no money
>still broke as fuck in floris
>don't want to borrow money
>not getting any money
HELP

>>168880830
t. 578

>>168880890

Does Floris not have tournaments or quests you can do for money?

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>>168881176

>>168880830
>AD1257 has too big map
This isn't a negative if you enjoy logistics and management ~

>>168881176
The tournaments are extremely harder, I never been able to make money with them, just lose money.

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>>168839932
>Finally got the legendary Kingslayer in Persino
>Even has some ominous red magic effect.

>It's overall stats are just a little better than the sword I was already using.

I hate when this happens, and Persino doesn't have VC blacksmiths to allow you to improve weapons.

>>168880890
Use your new undead powers to raise money at a carnival freak attraction.

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>>168875761
>Are ranged units worth getting in VC?
yes, nord warrior archers are decent, and even weaker archers of other factions can be used well
>are Pictish Elite Skirmishers good?
they are amazing, if you keep them out of the range of enemy archers/skirmishers

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>No good brown girl faces in Gekonewer
Wish I could go back to normal faces at will, actually managed to make a good face in the base faces.
I mean Momo is a skeleton so that saved me from having to look at her base face, but still.

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>>168883961
Gekokujo needs to implement traditional Ganguro ladies.

>play For Honor
>those grab mechanics
Fuck, I'd love those in Bannerlord. Throwing people off ramparts during sieges would be mad fun.

>>168886706
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGlnrPI0PB8

For Honor does some things right

>>168886894

Why did you make me watch this video

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>>168886894
I don't know what's going on but still

>>168886894
boring arena game, the fights are maybe more exciting but long time motivation for this game?

and it is way WAY overpriced

>>168887562

Yeah I didn't give a shit until I started looking at it as a fighting game, not a M&B wannabe, it's a good fighting game.

But fucking 60 euros plus microtransactions+ no dedicated servers+always online+ubisoft?

FUCK THAT

>>168886894
How can somebody be this bad at a videogame holy fuck

>>168887562
>everything have to be a competition
Come on, now.

>>168886706

Cant you kick people off already in Bonerlord as seen in the siege footage?

>>168889332
yes but it might as well not be possible because of how shit the kick is

>>168889332
You can, but it works like kick in Warband. You can't really throw people off their feet or choose direction you're planning to shove them.

Does gingercunt ever visit /mbg/ these days?

>>168889915
do not bully the ginge

>>168889915
he doesnt dare to

>>168889915
can't talk about that at the moment

>>168890087
eh eh eh eh

>>168890087
nice meme

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>>168890627

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>>168881772
>>168839932

>Doing the quest to kill the Red Immortals.
>Go near the village the quest asks me to.
>Didn't know they were supposed to spawn, so mess around trying to figure out what to do and save the game afterwards.
>Go to the forum where I learn that a Red Immortal patrol is supposed to spawn.

>No idea if it spawned.
>Can't find it anywhere.
>Don't know if the quest is broken now or if the patrol is still out there, or if it even spawned.

It's 8 AM.

I'm gonna sleep.

>>168890808
ctrl+t

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>Playing Gekonewer
>Control Sado because I can't keep it burned down forever.
>Want to hire youkai and oni troops but my entire army is based around being the world's finest youkai-killers led by a Hakurei shrine maiden.

I'm not sure how to proceed. On one hand I want demons under my command but on the other hand it would miss my army's purpose somewhat.

>>168890876
>cheating

>>168890940
There is no point in leading a youkai-army if there is no demons to kill. Let yourself become the Youkai-Jesus and turn the land of the rising sun into the land of the rising dead.

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>>168891345
>Joining the enemies of humanity when you're a woman of the bloodline sworn to protect it.
>Even letting them continue to live on Sado was an extraordinary mercy.

If I wanted to betray humanity I'd just join Byakuren's temple, sympathiser.

>dismiss all my companions because some of them are salty and I don't want to bother with a information gathering queue
>figure I'll just pick them up again, sans salt, from taverns
>Half haven't respawned
help

>>168866365
>>168867280
Well, if we're doing this, then I'm going to upload the unfinished map I designed for your Amazonmod.

IRL stuff and most of all laziness prevented me from ever renaming the remaining towns and villages with Greek/Hellenic names, but other than that the map is basically “finished”.

https://mega.nz/#!fkUTUZDK!fnDeG2FdOJDRdbCrj5UsrBxaL2_iHTiYJ_UehOH1GaM

Please see the INSTRUCTIONS file, you need to replace a few lines in the module.ini file for everything to work properly.

What mod should i play if i want a medieval europe experience?

>>168892290
1267
Floris Evolved

>>168892290
Hispania 1200
Floris Evolved

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>>168892401
>>168892545
You think this is a joke

>>168892290
Warwolf
Floris Evolved

>>168892958
worst meme

>>168892290
Floris evolved
Floris evolved

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>>168892958
Think about it this way anon, what's better for a medieval europe experience than a shitty mix of random stuff from all 1000 years of middle ages.

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>>168893360
>being this autistic over armors and weapons
mmmhmhmhmhmhmhmhhm

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>>168893560
>implying i'm one of those super autists that attack floris all day
dumb worst girl poster

>>168891593
you aren't playing VC are you? because companions that leave you become adventurers after a while and can't be recruited anymore, you will see them running around the map however

in the playthrough I am doing right now, I kinda regret not recruiting them all early on so that they defect and start their own parties, would have made the map much more lively

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>>168893360
Good point

>>168893698
Warband native.
I guess I'll just sit in a city for a couple months and see if they show up again.

My Favourite Mods
- 1257 AD, lots of faction wars and huge battles without straying too far from classic core M&B gameplay
- Swedish Mayonnaise, love the setting and the variety of units
- Chronicles of Might and Magic, love the setting and it really brings classic HoMM to life
Thank you for listening to my presentation! What are your favourite mods?

>>168893891
-Floris Evolved : Nice graphics, combination of gameplay mods. An enhanced edition of vanilla.

>>168893891

Certainly not 1257, it's trash

>>168893891
Floris, because it's an objective improvement over native
Floris Evolved, because it's an objective improvement over Floris
Napoleonic Wars, because it offers much more skilful and fun multiplayer than native
Honorary mention goes to Nova Aetas, which is far deeper than Bannerlord will ever be

>>168893891
Floris Evolved: It's a better Native.

>>168893853
Looks like they're just gone.

welp

When was modded 1257 last updated?

>>168880830
worst thing about awoiaf is not being unfinished or even looking much worse than acok, is it being based on boringblanda

>>168894865
I don't know, but it still works for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el93MIxAf-c

Bi-daily reminder of Khergit superiority

Does anyone know how to add the mbg_pastebin_anims.brf into the module.ini? I've tried it myself, but the load_mod_resource line in stock 1257 isn't there in the modded version.

Also, I'm getting mesh related errors whenever I open up a trade screen which mention the entities (not sure what you call them) that I added to the itemkinds1.txt as per the mordhau and halfswording guides. It's not causing any problems yet, but I'm worried it might in the future.

Guys I want to play bannerlord

I want to play bannerlord so bad

>>168894865

Apparently this year

Do you need to be autistic to enjoy 1257? Even acock and floris are better than it

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Is there any ways I can change a characters inventory in gekonewer?
My game gets kinda gittery when I use cheats to get weapons that aren't available through the game normally and I want that mace pistol.

What is a town's AI garrison depends on?

>>168898791
wealth of town and wealth of its owner, unless you're playing mods that introduce other factors

How come there ain't no Band of the Hawk mod or something.

>>168895673
Too bad it gets kinda bad after the first 1:30min.

>>168893738
who is this faggot you are posting everytime

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>>168900770
Chris Evans
I have at least one copycat

>>168900573
Kill yourself namefag.

>>168900573
There's a Berserk mod for the original M&B you dumbass.

>>168900957
>Chris Evans
>check wiki
>actor mostly for capeshit

into trash

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVcAFFyLhlk

Not steppe warrior-themed but close enough. I can't get it out of my head since I listened to it once while reading Shoukoku no Altair.

>>168904323
Doesn't actually sound that bad desu. Don't really think it's fitting for horsefuckers though. That anthem song and the rap song posted yesterday were better.

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>mfw upstab is the new for honour meta

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Is 1267 meant to be that easy ? In less than 10 minutes, I was able to kill someone for 2000 golds, then build an army of 50 mercenaries and buy me a somewhat good armor by looting some stuff.

5 minutes later, I fought a Swede and won against his 150 men army.

Do you prefer to build combat stats or cha/a little int on your dude?

>>168905720
I love combat builds because they allow me to get right into the heat of action, but cha/int builds allo me to steamroll the game really easily. Depends on your mood tbqh famalam

>>168905497
why the fuck is everyone calling it 1267 now

>>168907514
It's the new and better version, with Floris Evolved in it.

LONG MAY HE REIGN

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anyone knows how to fix this?

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>>168907916
LONG MAY 4CHAN BE A PIECE OF SHIT AND NOT SAVE IT WHEN I POST PICS

>>168907916
you kind of forgot your picture there, anon.

>>168908000
Why are you calling it modded_diplomacy instead of dickplomacy like a good human bean?

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>>168901932
>>168908081
I see you messed up again, let me help by posting the proper pic

>>168908000
Why would you fix badass ghost horse?
Also it's only feature of script extender in dickplomacy

>>168908404
thx

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ENOUGH!


GINGEEEEEEE

no 72 virgins FOR YOU

>>168872531
Please somebody
I cant mod my game with normal downloads
somebody help

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Willl ACOK ever be saved?

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>>168908249
POLISH THINE HORSE'S LANCE, FAGNAR
IF THOUST CAN EVEN AFFORD TO UPKEEP THAT RUSTED GELDING

1257 AD:

>charge into guy in mail with my shortspear, meatshot, does 7 fucking damage
>he hits me with one overhead slash right on my kettle helmet and takes me out

is there any way to balance this shit?

>>168910421
i'm 6 and what is this