/poeg/ - Path of Exile General

kikoeta ki ga shita
kanjita ki ga shitanda
furuedasu ima kono mune de

is poe fake news?

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>>168686372
>FREE
>>168698315
>free
>>168708290
>free
>>168709618
>free
>>168714523
>free
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>free
>>168719072
>free
>>168746569
>free
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>free
>>168747661
>free
>>168766865
>free

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>>168774803
So who else /glacialhammer2.6/ here?

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>>168774763

For that guy postulating Blade Flurry v. EQ end of last thread, Blade Flurry had the highest usage rate in Breach of any Skill. It dropped off sizably due to HoWAA Spectral Throw, but still remained top all the way to the end, due to just how uncomparably insane it is.

>>168775017
someone give me the quick rundown on this chloe

>>168775017
take whatever that is to a different board

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>leave PoE during perandus
>come back
>my insane jack the axe build still isn't nerfed

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>>168775017
HCSSF glacial hammer masterrace

>>168775095
>insane
>Is weaker than HoWAA Spooky Toss by a factor of 15

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>>168775218
>newfag doesn't know about my jack build

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This is Vinia.

Say something nice about her.

>>168775049
Kk, I guess I should just run with the meta or whatever. It isn't like I will ever create another melee character after this unless they really change things in a massive way.

>Animefag thinks his special snowflake build is good
>It's not
Like pottery.

>>168775307
I miss /ourguy/ zeno

>>168775023
i'm your slave anata dake ha tokubetsu da kara
nando mo itte kudasai

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>>168775307

>>168775345
It's okay, anime! Eckbawk release won't affect pc version at all! Press M!

it's too hard to live in this world without zenocide "ghengis khan was chaotic good" genius

Protip for Jackfag:
>Rigwald DW weapons far outpace DW Jack Axes with Lacerate

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no crit? you'er build is shit
no leech" you're build is shit
not ci? youare build is shit

tl;dr: git gud

>still doing your own damage in 2017
this is only allowed for poison and ignite builds

lacerate is the stupidest meme

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>>168774853

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>>168775345

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>>168775509

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>>168775896

>>168775896
>tfw in the webbum
>tfw still here

>>168775896
>watching animes
suicide is the only option

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>>168775896

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>>168776010

6th statue has the nicest tits imo desu senpaitachi

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i've narrowed my SSF HC builds down to either hierophant or berserker

hierophant has nice defenses with a large mana pool, MoM and warlords mark + blasphemy, but lacks the damage to scale into t12+ maps. as a bonus illuminated devotion makes leveling incredibly easy which is nice

berserker is more of an end game build. if i could get some decent CI gear then it would be fairly easy to scale into end game, but getting the gear needed would be difficult/impossible, and leveling would be torture

i've always enjoyed the novelty of a CI marauder but i'm afraid it will be too hard to pull off in a SSF HC league

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>making builds before the balance patch
uhh poetards?

i dont reply to nazi imagery

making builds, even if shitcrow tier, is the best part

>>168776162
life is actually easier to play in SSF in my experience. ES/CI builds pull way ahead in the endgame stage wherein you'll be trading and dumping a lot of currency into your gear, but it's hard to get there playing SSF.

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>>168776261

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I love you retards

Easiest t10 map? Need to do an unided one but Id rather not get buttraped and rip 3 challenges away from portal.

let's be real for a second here, if you're not playing SSFHC in 2.6, well you might as well pack up your shit and leave this thread at once

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*ssf crows cawing in the distance*

How's the enemy variety in this game?

>>168776619
You could probably squeeze the shitcrow meme and quick rundown in, but big guy is pushing it.

there are various enemies

>>168776636
depends on your perspective

>>168776636
there are 2 enemy models and 400 recolors

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>>168776667

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>>168776162
>SSF is all about making do with whatever you find while intelligently maximizing both your defense and damage on restricted gear
>BUT MOM HOW DO I GET PAST T12 MAPS ON MY OWN THATS TOO HARD
>BUT MOM WHY CANT I JUST TRADE ES GEAR AND MAKE A CI BERSERKER
Jesus fucking Christ, please be a joke

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>tfw you will never slide your cock inside a Rhoa's tight little cloaca

>>168776816
Perfect.

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>>168776832

spiders or snakes i could understand, but birds? have some dignity

>>168776863
y-you too

>poe players
>dignity

>General for a shitty game
>Great community

>General for a legit god game like PoE
>shit community

Really makes you think.

poe is a shitty casino attached to a cosmetics shop

poeg is at its best when a league is active or we're all brainstorming builds and blogging about our rips, don't expect quality content when we're all waiting for patch notes and there's nothing else to do

>character is offline
>character is offline
>character is offline
>character does not exist
>character is offline
>character is afk
>no reply

Kill me.

>Gladiator
Outmatch and Outlast or Gratuitous Violence?

>he isn't smart enough to penetrate the 7 layers of irony and partake in the rich discourse and meme exchange
>he doesn't understand why this community is the best on 4chan
lmao fag

5 words:
solo
self
found
hard
core

>>168777373
>don't expect quality

everything else you said is a lie

>>168777425
both, if you're asking which one to get first, charge generation is better

>>168777452
But as what, you retort?
>Summoner, any variant
>Earthquake Juggalonaut
>Whatever is the least Nerfed Raider
>DW Lacerate Gladiator
>Something with Ascendant that isn't total dumpster

>>168777425
GV is the only node making Gladiator somewhat competitive with more offensively oriented subclasses

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5 words:

retarded commie hardcuck

can't wait for all of the stupid people to sign up for solo self found, discover that it doesn't make the game more fun to play, switch back and discover that they've missed out on lucrative early trade days
your regret shall echo until june when chris announces 3.0 is being delayed again

>>168777505
Fine then, second question: Violent Retaliation as 4th Gladiator Notable or Gratuitous Violence?
I will already be causing Bleed on Hit.

Act 5 looks boring.

Literally just boring blackguard enemies in a boring setting.

>>168777592
I'd go with gratuitous violence

>>168777661
Thanks kindly.
>50% Block if you've eaten a Hit recently
>50% Spell Block too
I am now ready for the misery that I am preparing to subject myself to in Legacy League.

>>168777525
Anything Raider is unironically a solid SSF option, frenzy charges make her a generically good caster/attacker from the get go and much of her power is frontloaded meaning you got a build going as early as cruel lab

>>168777558
Can't wait for the trade shitters to burn out in a week like every league, while SSF elite are still going strong and enjoying the game the way it was meant to be played, old school and solo

>tfw no self found non solo option

I just wanna play with my buds.

>>168777630
Boring is a boring critique. It makes you sound boring and uneducated.

>>168777753
alkaizer played a max block gladiator last league. he dumpstered everything, died to a volatile. Highly recommend checking it out. https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/AlkaizerX/characters

>go to do my unided t10 map for challenge
>zone out due to lack of sleep
>grab wis scrolld
>id it
>appreciate the mods till I realize what ive done

Fuck.

>>168777858
>Wanna play with friends
>Give a shit about e-peen
They'll drag you down and you won't top the SSF charts anyway if you could.
You could also make 2 characters. 1 for fun with them and 1 for serious business.

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Act 5 looks racist.

Haku, the slavemaster, sells decorations of white women and their newborn child

He sells human beings as "decorations"

How did GGG get away with this?

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>>168777556

>>168778124
He's giving refugees a home in your Hideout.
It may not be a great home, but it's better than dying in Lioneye's Watch.

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A slave is not a man
A slave is not even worthy of death

It's always a shame to see self-hating farm equipment.

I have an idea:
PF BV (or any skill really) with max block+aegis aurora
You get a decent amount of armor from a granite flask of iron skin, so the aegis isn't just for the block chance.
Even a post-post-nerf Rumi's combined with tempest shield and a couple reckless defenses will put you to 75% block, and PF has no issues keeping flasks up. You'd end up with about 9k ES (more if you sacrificed a damage aura for discipline) and 20k armor. Since it's BV you'd still end up with plenty of DPS.

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umm pogtarts??

>>168777932
He also has several ex of gear on that character, like 290pdps 8% crit Vagan foil, essence rolled 6-link astralis, +1 curse voice of the storm, insane rings, uber atrizi gear etc.

Good luck doing any damage on your shit build with a 1h and shield without that gear.

Got 9k es and 4k dmg on icestorm, whatre the odds of me getting gibbed by uber izaro?

>>168778351
It's nothing really groundbreaking, you'll probably struggle with mana though, BV is expensive, you don't want really want spell echo since it double dips on less poison damage and if you use WM you lose the blasphemy Enfeeble necessary to justify Reckless Defenses

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>>168778693
Wasn't planning to do poison. I did non-poison BV PF last league and it still steamrolled guardians/shaper.
I've had enough double dipping for a few leagues, pic related.

>>168778669
AA+basalt

should be easy

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>>168778669
youll die instantly

>>168778953
Aight sounds good.

>>168779004
At least id be free at that point.

>>168778779
Sounds like a waste of PF's free poison on hit which synergizes well with Witchfire Brew's Vuln on flask, but yeah sure, SE solves the mana issue and if you can maintain your granite then Aegis become a really good option

Granite+Rumi's is redundant though, you can't stack the same implicit and get 6k flat armour (or 9k with PF) so you either want Jade+Rumi's with IR or just a generic basalt if you don't want to give up your evasion

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top secret SSF HC strat:

farm these http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/The_Incantation

>farm the easiest part of the build, surely this will mean the +INT gear which is the hardest part to find will follow

>>168779348
>thinking you're going to find enough CI gear with INT as SSF to do any damage with whispering ice

>>168779468
>find
>not just roll it/essence it

>>168779348
the only one of those i've ever had i got from a box

>no shield
>no stun immunity
>no ES
>no damage
>at least I get my 6L hehe
WI babbs are delusional

i had skyforth's on my ll chilly rain character

>WI
>in SSF
poeg on brain parasite watch

>>168779106
Actually, I just ran into a bug with path of building, where flask implicits will stack. I would need it to be a jade flask, otherwise it would only be 12k armor.
I'll probably just do what I did last league and just shoot for 50-60% block with rumi's+generic ES shield+tempest shield.

>>168779582
>no stun immunity
Plenty of ways of getting it
>no ES
But it's literally an int stacking build, how can you not have ES
>no damage
great meme
>at least I get my 6L
Speaking of which, I accidentally 6linked my WI in about 10 fusings. I was only trying to get 4 linked blues for CWC SR memes.

>>168779815
>Plenty of ways of getting it

???? The only way you're going to get stun immunity as SSF is Kaom Boots or pathing to Unwavering Stance yourself.

>pathing to unwavering
not hard desu

What is eye of chayula

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>WI
>getting stunned
>getting hit

>get an eye of chayula to drop or your build dies instantly the second you get hit

are you a retard?

>>168779815
we're talking about a SSF scenario, you don't have an infinite supply of essences of spite to craft +INT gear nor is there any reasonable chance to self-craft it (since it's a suffix competing with resistances), and WI is a special case of ES build where you can't just gradually improve your ES with higher ES, you need high ES _and_ high INT

It's adding another restrictive variable in an environment where you don't want to be restricted, i.e. you'll be better off with a generic CI build that isn't reliant on a stat on gear to deal damage

>>168780007
An item, which has no card set, so you're never going to find one SSF.

You can just go hybrid before getting eye of chayula, it's really easy to chance

i get a shitload of chayulas every league

>>168780006
>Dude, let's just waste 20 traveling points which don't help me at all and I can't even convert them into INT because there's no available Brute Force jewels lmao
I'm sure that surplus of 100 STR comes in handy

>>168780176
gamblers fallacy

no
it's very common

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DUDE NAZIS LMAO

>Let's just pick this incredibly gear restrictive build which needs specific itemization and a spread thin tree
>Surely this will work out okay in SSF
delete frogshitters

>you should just play flameblast or ed in ssf

play whatever you want
if you don't get the items you want you can just play normally

>>168780352
You shouldn't play WI, that's for sure, you fucking retard fuck. Retard.

like I said, play literally any other CI build if you're masochist and confident in your ability to survive without Chayula/Valyrium, chaos spamming ES gear is a valid strat when you don't need INT on top of it

ci is not hard to pull off self found
but you might be farming dried lake a long time

>no brute force
>no fertile mind
>no WI staff
>no astramentis
>no good ES chest
>no surplus of spites/woes
>no enlighten
>no fire conversion/tri curse
>run out of chromes trying to get colours on gear

"SSF viable" - poeg

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I will dominate ssf ladder with my WI build and you can't stop me

good luck getting an astramentis
i've still never found ro chanced one

>frogshitters
>animeshitters
the competition is non existent here
stay out of my league if you don't wanna embarrass yourselves

astramentis? more like ASS TREMENDOUS!!
amirite guis?

i doubt you'll even get a staff tbqh

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Reminder that cadiro can help with your ssf gear next league

CI CoC Trickster is viable because Cyclone has inherent stun immunity, movement skills cost nothing as Trickster so you can use Purity of Elements, and you get +250 ES from your ascendancy, on top of that you can buy a vagan dagger for 1 alt

That's an example of how you build a CI character SSF you plebs

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good guy cadiro
i'm glad we didn't gas them all

yer gonna get stunned before you spin and die
play a totem character until you have a chayula

>the best and most fun league for farming and making insane builds including legacy uniques

>ruin it and play ssf which you could do any time in standard

????

It takes some serious amount of being shit to get hit before you spin when you have Blasphemy TC

Discipline 35%
Blasphemy 35%
Purity/AA 25%

The fact that you can reserve 95% of your mana without caring and that you get a built-in stun immunity means Trickster is the perfect SSF CI class

artificial handicaps are how mediocre players disguise their mediocrity

Trickster is currently the worst asc class in poe

Even slayer is better

>>168781165
You can play softcore with a no death rule too, but it wont be the same as enforced hardcore.

>>168781197
Nothing artificial about playing solo, what's artificial is requiring the help of others for boss kills and buying gear you didn't earn.

except for mob-specific drops you don't earn gear in path of exile, mr. denial

Has there been any word on how the labyrinth will work now that there's only one playthrough?

>>168781265
the only reason it's not the same as enforced hardcore is because you interact with other players via trading and shit
this is irrelevant for SSF

>>168781339
Alright so next league,

Don't buy an Atziri's Flask before killing Atziri
Don't buy any Breach uniques before earning it from the respective breachlords
Don't buy a Reach before killing the Pale Council
Don't buy a Vinktar before completing SoV
Don't buy The Scourge before killing Chimera
Don't buy a Dying Sun before killing Shaper

and see how far you can go on truly earned gear
who am I kidding, you'll buy gear from day 1 and call it less artificial than playing solo

yea i'll call playing the game as it's designed less artificial than gimping yourself to disguise your poor performance

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>>168781513
>and see how far you go
lmao get a load of this shitter

>>168781390
What's your logic here?

>Why play SSF now when you can do it whenever you want lol
>Why play hardcore when you can just not die on softcore lol

The common point is that until an official system is put into place (enforced HC or enforced SSF) then there is no point in arbitrarily setting the rule because you have no way to know how you compare to others

>>168781556
SSF: pure, unadulterated experience
Trading: by definition, bypassing difficulty by buying gear you didn't earn

Which one is the most artificial?
When you play a game and try to "beat it", do you view staying in a low level farming area and grinding currency to pay other players to beat it for you as playing the game "the way it was intended"?

>>168781369
Still the same, 3 labs, 1 uber lab, you'll be able to enter what is now the normal/cruel/merc lab after a set amount of trials completed, more trials being added in a5-10, subject to change in beta

you don't earn drops mongoloid
the artificial one is where you impose limits that aren't part of the game on yourself
just come to terms with your mediocrity

the pure unadulterated poe experience is playing the game as it's intended to be played: with trading

could anyone with the obsidian seraph set give me some screenshots of the front&back on a witch?

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How to play a dual wielding melee class without wanting to kill myself?

>>168781754
I see, makes sense. Wonder if that means they'll also be adding more traps to the labyrinth, since trials typically introduce new traps.

One thing though, how will that work with trial progress being account-wide? Will you be able to enter any labyrinth difficulty at will?

>>168781760
>you don't earn drops mongoloid
Of course you do, gated uniques are just a specific example of that, if you buy a Guardian unique to boost your character from t10 to t16 then all your progress from t10 to t16 is invalidated because you took the easy path and bought progression indirectly. You could theorically farm Dried Lake with literally zero challenge involved for long enough until you buy the literal BiS gear for your build, slaving on a treadmill is not earning your drops, no more than using your mom's credit car to RMT gear is.

>the artificial one is where you impose limits that aren't part of the game on yourself
That's a fallacious logic, trading merely exists as a reason to make the game multiplayer, but that doesn't mean your entire progression is not made artificial if you trade for gear you didn't earn, party with a support, buy challenges you couldn't complete yourself if you tried, etc.

>just come to terms with your mediocrity
Don't have anything to prove to you, you won't touch my league so you're irrelevant to me.

see how one handed weapons get buffed
planning builds without patch notes is a waste of time

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i think i'm on to something here

berserker CI WI

you get free can't be stunned, free leech, and FREE damage

yea no one that is good is going to touch your leaderboard, because they don't need to hide anything

>>168782024
>if you killed recently
Good luck with that conditional stun immunity

>>168782043
So why are you so acting so insecure about it? Go copypaste your favorite streamer build and pretend you're a good player, peasant. It'll be interesting to compare the rankings and realize you wouldn't even crack top 200 in the SSF ladder

>chimps out over his artificial handicap
>n-no you

>>168781230
>250 flat es
>30% DoT damage
>bad

found the player who isnt as good as xhe thinks

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Thanks Izaro, just what I needed.

>explaining to literal retards why players will play enforced SSF the same way hardcore players play enforced HC is "chimping out"
You don't get to backpedal like this you pathetic slimeball. You're an inferior player afraid of the challenge of SSF and you know it.

slayer wi for stun immunity while leeching
you'll be the only person to ever do it

stop chimping out and come to terms with the psychological reasons you play like a beggar, pt

>>168782081
it's better than nothing my dude
>>168782259
too bad duelist pathing is fartshit

>no quoting meme running rampant

Fuck I hate this.

who are you quoting

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The inability to understand the glory in pursuing greatness by yourself instead of relying on others to carry you in symptomatic of betaness characteristic of a casual shitter. You're nothing but a d3 reject, an individual so afraid of challenge and so addicted to instant gratification you can't even fathom the struggle as the goal itself.

>the reason i'm still doing tier 4 maps is because i am actually really good

>>168782592

Are you talking about softcore league people or...?

>I define greatness by how quickly I can whisper players on poe.trade so I can buy gear I didn't earn for a build I didn't made for challenges I don't dare completing

>>168782651
SC < SSFSC < HC < SSFHC

>>168782724

What's SSF?

>every time someone asks me why i play so slowly, why i'm so far behind, and why my character is so shit i can just say "solo self found" and it's all ok

>>168782770
SUPER SAIYAN FOUR

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DUDE ORIATH IS PEACEFUL
DUDE ITS INHABITANTS KIND
MEMBER?

@168782778
i see the shitbirds already have their excuses lined up

Or MAYBE people also enjoy accumulating fortune ?
Maybe different people have different measures for success ?

I'd say a true sign of betaness is being so concerned with the above.

>every time someone asks me why I avoid challenge or play softcore, or buy boss kills and challenges, I can just say "I just play for fun dude" and it's all ok

>playing tier 4 maps is a challenge

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Does it count as solo self found but you sell alteration stacks for currency orbs you don't use just to make yourself feel like you're getting richer and advancing in the game somehow?

>>168782909
no because SSF only counts if it's ``enforced"

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>Or maybe people enjoy different things?
Sure, that was never the point of contention. It's the inability for the casual to understand his place as a casual that is really problematic. They would rather drag the world down to their level than try to elevate themselves to greatness. You can make up all the excuses you want about playing softcore, or buying challenges and progression, but don't lie to yourself. Someone out there is not as casual as you and will not play by your casual rules.

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stop using this word

how humiliating it will be for the insecure when they can't even rank on the artificial handicap leaderboard
they'll probably ask ggg to remove it at the end of the league

>tfw leveling new character that is fun but sort of slow
>get chayula breach and can't even clear it
baka

How humiliating it must be to be content with mediocrity, to refuse the possibility of failure because casual games like D3 conditioned you to always winning, even if winning takes no effort or thinking.

ah, but since ssf is actually the most rng (read: least skilled) way of playing, they'll just chalk their mediocrity up to "bad luck"

>durr durr ssf challenge

Real men take their life savings, go to a casino and become billionaires. Because THAT is a challenge.

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FRIENDLY REMINDER GGG OFFICIALLY ACKNOWLEDGED SSF GAMEPLAY AS THE ULTIMATE CHALLENGE IN POE

SHITTERS ARE SCRAMBLING TO TRY AND PUSH AN ALT-REALITY NARRATIVE TO TRY AND JUSTIFY THEIR FEAR OF IT

DONT LET THEM

What does it matter that people are casuals ? Are you that insecure about your life that you give this much gravity to success and skill in video games ?

You should really stop projecting. The only players who make excuses are those who buy challenges and progression. They have to literally justify bypassing difficulty because the game allows them to, therefore it's acceptable in their eyes. If they had it their way, no doubt the exp penalty on death would be removed so they could freely suicide against content and pretend there's skill involved.

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I'm finally starting to fix my life but on the other hand I want to play new league 24/7

what to do

>>168783250
uninstall poe
do it for your ancestors

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casuals are destroying gaming

game devs need to pander to the lowest common denominator to maximize profits

casuals(aka shitbirds) are the lowest common denominator

in short: git gud or git out

Is it challenging? Sure. Is it challenging in a meaningful way? No. All you can do is to grind until endtimes when RNG finally decides to bless you and you grinded masters high enough to get decent mods. That's all it is.

>>168783217
>What does it matter that people are casuals ?
Do you have reading comprehension issues? It's fine for casuals to be casuals. It's not fine for them to pretend they're not. Their collective delusion is bringing down the general average level to the shitter. There's no incentive to try to help a casual who thinks he's elite, since he'll be adverse to the very idea of criticism. In order for him to become a better player, or at least not smear the general with his persistent idiocy and denial, he must first accept his status as a casual.

path of exile is a casual game
>levels
>rng
>items

The game has a heavy RNG factor, even if you're very skilled you could end up with shortcomings.
Only way to combat this is literally playing hundred of hours.

Having free time =/= Skill

But free time is the only thing NEETs have so free time = skill.

People crying about rng are basically redditors
>wheee streamers are so rich because they get those t1 unique and i can't drop anything

You get rich in poe with good plan/idea and consistency

>There's no challenge because it's all RNG
This point is brought up time and time again and is simply not true. There's no sensible way even good RNG significantly changes the ladder rankings, since it all evens out in the end. The law of large numbers dictates that variance is not meaningful in any way, given enough repeats of the same experiment. Sure, there can be RNG as a deciding factor in a 1-hour race. Not in a 1-month race where hundreds and hundreds of maps are necessary before you hit level 95-100.

When variance becomes a non-factor, and cheating your way with external help is not possible, the only constant remains your consistency and your ability to outperform others in efficiency. You cannot chalk down top players performing better than others consistently to just luck. To deny the element of skill is to admit you have no meaningful input in the game, a mere slave to RNG. In which case, I suggest you play a slot machine game or Diablo 3, no doubt a game where you would thrive.

for truly skilled play ggg should implement "three hours a day" ladder for the truly skilled looking for the "only three hours a day" challenge

>>168783250
Fix your life AND play the new league 24/7

Just make it a meta game, for every challenge you complete you must fix something else in real life

see whispering ice bro, the law of large numbers says you will get your gear in the long run
do not fret about rng

>>168783649
those are called races. we just had a bunch

yes being able to play in a continuous realm for only three hours a day for three months is a race and we just did that

move to china, they have anti-addiction timers there so you will only get to play 2 hours a day whether you want it or not

we need a limited time per day ladder so we can compare how we are doing against each other

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> im a normie who can only play 3 hours a day GGG make it so no one can play more than me

this is sjw-level entitlement

this is a highly skilled ladder for those that only need to play three hours a day to show how good they truly are
three hour players can only interact with other three hour players
once you play for more than three hours in a day you are moved to the casual ladder
only true hardcore players need apply for the three hours per day ladder

>>168783708
No, but it says that two builds of the same expected outcome X will end up at X with very minor variation after Y repeats, given large enough Y, despite all the claims of RNG being a wild card factor. The law of large numbers makes RNG a non-factor, thus making it ironically a fairer system than one where you bypass it. Choosing a bad or unoptimized build is on you as a player, you can't blame RNG on that.

Rolling the same d20 dice once means a comparatively large possible variance.
Rolling the same d20 dice a million times means the expected outcome with comparatively negligible variance every time.

Your job as a player is to roll the highest dice possible or roll it as many times as possible within the same time frame. You cannot complain the player with the d20 dice ends up with better results than you because sometimes he rolls a 20, when you're stuck with a d10 dice and don't know how to upgrade either the number of sides or how quickly you throw it.

It is NOT a challenge when all it requires is dumb luck or high time investment.
With these it's either "lol I win" or "how much time do I want to sacrifice to place on ladder".

whispering ice bro this guy is saying you are going to get all of your items
this is great news for you

>>168784103
"Dumb luck" evens out because of the law of large numbers, there's also no magical drop in PoE that gives you a distinct and obvious advantage, even finding an exalt means very little.

High time investment is limited to 24 hours a day. There will be no-lifers only in top 10, but there should be no excuse to not be top 50 at least if your build is good and you're consistently efficient.

The idea is not so much to decide who's going to be rank 1, but to have your ranking more accurately reflect your progress than in a league where you can cheat progression as easy as buying gear or having a dedicated support bitch.

reminder that a league where you could get any items you wanted from your stash whenever you wanted but you could only play for three hours a day would be a better determinant of skill than a league where you could play as much as you wanted but all of your items were determined by rng

>>168784145
Whispering Ice in the analogy is a d5 dice at best.

Understanding the affix pool is weighted in a certain way that is disadvantageous to building a certain prototype is basic knowledge, and is irrelevant to RNG supposedly affecting the outcome of a race.

>get all of your drops in one event
>get nonse of your drops in another event
>doesn't matter XD

>>168784343
If you d10 dice lands on a 10 ten times in a row, does that mean you'll be the unlucky d12 dice player given enough rolls? No, because progress in PoE is not dictated by a dozen rolls but a dozen million.

>The LLN is important because it "guarantees" stable long-term results for the averages of some random events. For example, while a casino may lose money in a single spin of the roulette wheel, its earnings will tend towards a predictable percentage over a large number of spins. Any winning streak by a player will eventually be overcome by the parameters of the game.

basically what this guy is saying is that you should just play more to get the same results

Yes, we know, that is the entirety of ssf league

the reality of a game like poe is that advantages accumulate and early advantages are very beneficial to the outcome of your league experience and you have down's

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shitcrows make so many excuses LMAO

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reminder that time spent =/= skill

Not an argument catfrog poster.

reminder that in one league pt got a shavronne's wrappings, heretic's veil, a consuming dark, and a lvl3 empower on a essence drain character
these events did not matter

Your sentence doesn't start with a capital letter = post discarded

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he played the game and he dropped items REEEEE he should just play wearing white items REEEEE

solo self found is an emotional crutch for narcissists with poor reflexes

>>168784476
>basically what this guy is saying is that you should just play more to get the same results
I'm saying your progress will reflect your skill and time spent. If you played 10% more, you could expect/predict a 10% more progress. There's no trading factor distorting the predicted outcome since you cannot cheat your progression this way. You will progress at the pace that is expected of your skill and build power. There is no way for lesser players with lesser builds to catch up with you unless they improve their build/skill. Trading as a shortcut is not a possibility.

>>168784481
>the reality of a game like poe is that advantages accumulate and early advantages are very beneficial to the outcome of your league experience
There's no such thing as "early advantages" accumulating in SSF. Your reasoning applies to a trading league where trading is enabled and an economical advantage can be obtained and somewhat snowballed if you're the first to get a foothold in maps. Having early lucky drops boosts your early progression, but that is evened out when other players get lucky drops when you're unlucky. You're arguing against a mathematical concept because your mind cannot wrap itself around the idea of large numbers evening out the expected average. This is not a 1-hour race, it's a 1-month race if not more.

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No periods = pic related.

.solo self found is what you do when you know you aren't good at video games but your job is teaching iberians english

>>168784749
yeah it takes some crazy reflexes to trade

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>all this cognitive dissonance just so tradeshittters can sleep at night thinking they arent the cowdung of poe

>>168784632
>and a lvl3 empower
So he farmed enough shit maps to level an Empower to 3, meaning that at his snail pace he wouldn't be top of the SSF ladder no matter what. The very fact that ED is a subpar build without all the necessary lucky components lining up means that he would not have been anywhere near the competitive top 50 in an enforced SSF ladder. There are bound to be statistical outliers, the point is that the exceptions to the rule doesn't disprove the rule. 99% of players progressing at the expected pace means your ranking is far more likely to accurately reflect your actual ranking, without any luck element involved.

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>100% chaos conversion viper strike viable when

the law of large numbers does not even apply to this game in the way you want to use it
none of your dice babble is relevant
and the length of the league does not matter because the outcomes of events go through a giant control system with feedback loops
go back to misapplying the gambler's fallacy

>>168785029
>the law of large numbers does not even apply to this game in the way you want to use it
How so?
>none of your dice babble is relevant
How so?
>and the length of the league does not matter because the outcomes of events go through a giant control system with feedback loops
Such as?
>go back to misapplying the gambler's fallacy
It's not a fallacy but a proven mathematical theorem.

lads I want to do SSF animate weapon, is my only option to level as FB totems until I clear uber lab and then respec?

>ek can now full screen aoe thanks to the gem, actually its past the full screen


100 to 200k+ phys and chaos dps seems like an awesome demigod rusher to 100 lads plus farming beyond headhunter maps

I mean its no uber killer but i think itll be one of the best shit for the tempo league since you dont need gear for that shit.

>>168785140
Level with SRS and/oi Spectres and switch to SSF when you have the proper setup and ascended, how hard can it be?

>>168785160
its still shit

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GGG has been pretty greedy over the past few years; adding more p2w tabs every league and patch. i was starting to lose faith in them. i'd rather not give money to a company who is willing to throw away all of their integrity for it.

but these SSF leagues are interesting because they make trade tabs no longer necessary. it's a perfect way for GGG to restore a bit of the respect they've lost over the past few years.

>making ek into nova
How does this solve any real problems ek has? You're still scaling a projectile when AoE tag has conc effect, it's a spell so not point blank viable, if you're not going crit you lose one benefit you have over bladefall.

I love EK but I am really skeptical about picking that threshold jew up.

>>168785160
It's not 360 AoE

You cannot scale coverage in any other way but projectile speed, which is limited in sources unless you wanna start using wands

Pierce/Fork/Chain is mandatory

You have no single target

>>168785262
shut up white boi

Two words: 2.6
2.6 will change how shit works a lot, including AoE, projectiles, never mind melee getting buffed.

>>168785542
It won't be enough to make EK an actual viable skill, not when Blade Vortex/Fall exist

not what viability means

2.6 is three words you dumb fuck

not viable by the standards superior spells are judged

>Game is being ported to xbox
>GGG adds nazis
Coincidence?

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Rate my build.

>>168785542
no it wont

keep dreaming cuckbird

The only thing 2.6 will change is the true separation of the elite from the rabble

>>168780249
Its kind of a mix between nazi attire and the holy men of father mozgus. I like it.

Also what build will you try out in the new league if, lets say you have 5ex as capital.

doubtful most good players will even play in 2.6 unless it feeds into the 3.0 beta in some way

>>168780249
Both designs would look way better without the nazi pandering symbol.

And what do you think those "good players" will do instead of playing 2.6?

play other games

Play a better game. The game of shitpost.

isnt beta starting during 2.6

during last month yeah

the first two months should be enough to do everything you want

Why do blue items exist?

its a paid beta. who cares

with the full gamut of currency in poe they provide a measure of control over affixes

funny, I remember earning my way to a4 beta without paying anything

>>168786284
take a wild guess anon

they'll probably pick streamers and alpha access for the beta and go from there based on reddit feedback

oh no, some privileged people and long term supporters will get access before you do

better file a complaint on reddit about the unfairness of it all

you are the dumbest poster in this general

helping improve the game is a privilege, not a right

>>168785452

Its 360 degrees with the new support gem nigga

>150k dps
>need single target

Were not fucking wasting time on shitty guardians when rushing beyond nemesis maps to lvl 100 for demigods is the goal

>>168786663
>Its 360 degrees with the new support gem nigga
no, there are gaps between each projectile which widen the further you are away from the center

you will miss monsters here and there and it'll be much more frustrating than playing a real 360 AoE spell like ice nova

>150k dps
probably inflated by every buff and flask in existence, I'd be surprised if you break 50k

>fork
>chain
delete yourself

>DW slayer lacerate vs high block gladiator blade flurry/lacerate
>can reserve 100% mana with Soul Taker
>can grab Scaeva for block in DW
>BoR makes DW not attractive due to less resistance sources
>slotting in Rumi's when you could have ToH instead sounds meh
>Doon Cuebiyari and Scaeva for GV explosions, bleed and poison justice

I'm really attracted by the idea of scaling big bleeds with Lion's Roar, TC and Vuln blasphemy while everything is exploding. If GV could poison then abusing adds for retarded boost in damage would be completely nuts, but then it'd need Snakebite or some shit I guess if it could work.

What's more optimal in Legacy RMT HC?

might as well suck freeposter's dick if you're going to be this dishonest

How viable would it be to make a build around shock nova

not very

just play vortex

shut the fuck up

reminder that you must win a HC SSF demi before having opinions

i do what i want

you think you're so elite
you're so garbage

unless you own privatized natural monopoly you are nothing

dunno what build to play next league

play ek trap and if that sucks switch to freeze pulse trap

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>pohx made it to 100 in a HC league with fucking Blight

what's your excuse?

play shiggy diggy howa build

i quit playing when i get bored
put the blight gem into a socket is already maximum boredom

patch notes when

blight is actually fun skill

but I guess autist rather play vaal spark for muh speed clear

10 days of literally nothing to do -.-

no blight is a shit skill that pohx only played because he interpreted people calling it shit as a claim that it was impossible to play

t.shitter who never played blight

>watching a normiecuck like pohx

i'm sure you'll be playing a lot of abyssal cry^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hblight in duct tape league

that's the point. pohx is a 420 blaze it retard and still made it to 100 in hc and with blight.

the only reason pohx wouldn't make it to 100 is he'd get bored and quit

leveling to 100 is pure autism

>>168787945
Cool kids did it few weeks earlier.

did they do with with a shit skill

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Reminder that SCmasterrace got lvl 100 faster then hcucks this league

any level 100 that is not achieved SSFHC is invalid to me

>>168788691
wonder why

>>168788730
I don't think anyone is actually trying it now with "real" ssf.

ProjectPT will be the world's first recorded, verified level 100 HC SSF.

It kinda sucks that 95% of prophecies have no value whatsoever. I'm really hoping for an overhaul of prophecies in general.

who care

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prophecy was easily the worst league GGG has ever made

i hope chris fired the idiot who made it

i could unironically make a better one and i'm a diagnosed retard

>>168789176
prophecy was unironically an idea that i had but never expressed! although it was not handled 100% the way i thought about it!
i think i might be magic guys

>sc hc dichotomy
>ssf/path of trade dichotomy
What's next, I get the perks of restricting your stash to one lifetime and SSF ladder metric, but it could go far worse with autistic shit like equipping only uniques like ZittyD did.

Spewing it for the memes is alright but it almost looks like ppl are actually serious about swinging their epeen of SSF mode, here's an example of similar autism
>projectpt soloing uber atziri
>log out on storm calls
>comments section: yeah its 2ez nowadays might do her ssf with slower build
>slower than fucking ED

>>168789312
Obviously 100 points build / no skill tomes

AN ADVERSARY

SLAIN

people aren't going to switch to solo because it limits game variety even more

Going from a vaal pact/vinktar flask character to one that uses neither makes me realize how fucking OP/strong they are. Everything is harder when I can't just ignore mechanics and leech through everything

srs is real hard

>>168789176
>prophecy
>not torment

I don't know if you played it, but it was fucking awful.

I have 10 ex lying around, the league is ending soon, and I can't find any upgrade for under 20 ex. Should I just exalt my jewels and be done with it?

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I played 1 month bloodlines/torment league and ghost were fun

ghosts are one of the most annoying things in the game
not as bad as bloodlines

>>168789642
>shitcore leagues

not even once

I miss phy link on old devourers

>>168789715
just give it to me

How would you feel about a league that's a sequel to a previous league.

For instance a Beyond 2 that improves/expands on the mechanic and gives the monsters unique models.

i don't think there's anything inherently bad with revisiting leagues

i'd play for 1-2 weeks every time if there weren't any leagues and it was just a ladder reset every time to be perfectly honest

What is the meme about getting t16 spectres?
I opened up a high level map and tried desecrate but I never get the minions I need like it implies

>>168790105
i think people would feel its a cheep lazy attempt unless theres a substantial change and new feature, if its just extra loot it aint going to work.

it would have to be different enough somehow

>act 5-8 are just re-skinned "10 years later" act 1-4 with literally the same layouts

what are people even cheering about. this is a complete fucking joke.

Still better than playing cruel and merciless again imho, especially if farming of div cards doesn't change much before maps (not that it matters too much)

>>168791360
That's what I'm worried about

I hope they revisit and improve on league mechanics because it's a way to improve the game without adding to complexity/feature bloat, but the community is filled with entitled whiners.

>>168791495
because it's much more than we though we were getting and it beats the hell out of replaying the same exact stuff.

>>168792031
case in point^

its FIVE extra acts you retard, if the reuse stuff its expected
besides, its better than running the same thing three fucking times

i'd rather play the same content over and over
it's more hardcore that way

>>168792229
>not also SSF
trash

>claims to be hardcore
>comments on something being more hardcore before it's out
Resistances going down and new bosses combined might be harder to deal with simply because it's new and possibly inherently harder. Nothing is more hardcore someway before it's released.

>>168789312
What you're not understanding is that it's not about fabricating some constricted set of rules in order to arbitrarily feel superior to others, something as silly as only playing with white items or with maximum zoom in.

There will be SSF leagues in 2.6, properly enforced by GGG, something that didn't exist before. There will be a distinct, indisputable separation of players.

It will perfectly natural to consider SSFHC achievements to be more meaningful, that is not debatable, only the degree to which it matters in what is essentially just a skinner box slot machine.

Some people will consider it the more competitive league, just like some people consider HC to be more competitive than SC.

same shit more grind
that is all

same shit, except deathless
that is all

same shit, except solo
that is all

same shit, except without being carried
that is all

same, except with better players
that is all

>>168793089
I would personally want a Diablo 3 kind of mode where you're not allowed to trade outside of your current session with friends more than SSF.

As for SSF leagues, I don't mind in particular because I do mostly play solo and can handle shit without trading, but not this league with legacy voidheart and shit being possible.

>>168794841
>I would personally want a Diablo 3

It's obvious that's what every SSF wants.

>deathless
still have this playing normally
>solo
still have this playing normally
>not getting carried
still have this playing normally
>better players
irrelevant cause it is solo

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>WoW sub ends in 5 days
>don't want to resub for only one week before the new poe league
>don't want to be bored for a week

I last time I played Diablo 3 was in 2015 spring, is there anything new? Should I go back?

I wouldn't bother getting double ancient items for d3, seriously fuck that game.

not really

Yeah I meant elemental overload on HoWaA not EE

Point Blank is more than worth it

And sure, I could be wearing skyforths, but for now I'll stick with unwavering stance since skyforths are stupid expensive

>>168795001
It's relevant for the purpose of comparing yourself to others, the entire point of a ladder.
The very existence of the ladder is an incentive for competition, whether you choose to ignore said competition is what's irrelevant.

Even if you never die in softcore, you're still not as hardcore as someone achieving the same things you achieved in an economy not tainted by death.

The distinction between softcore and hardcore is not merely one that compares your death count. Because the two economies are fundamentally different, along with the tools available, participating in one results in a very different possible progression compared to the other.

By the same token, the distinction between SSF and trading is not merely one of time spent grinding, with SSF merely being slower, because the tools available to reach the same level of progress are not the same. Leveling a support for example, is a nonsensical idea in SSF because you need to be able to rely on yourself, not a carry.

You can adhere to your own personal code in honor in softcore by avoiding any death, or by avoiding any trading, but it would then make sense for you to choose to play in hardcore, or in SSFHC, since it's the only enforced way for you to compare your progress to others adhering to the same ruleset. Ignoring the competition is a personal choice. Implying its invalidity on the basis that you're playing the same game is denial.

The game is the same, but not the ruleset. SSF is by essence a very different game despite being the same, because there are strategies you can apply in a trading context that will either be non-optimal or impossible SSF, effectively resulting in a more challenging game, not just one that is more grindy.

>>168795569
You should practice SSFHC for 1 week in order not to embarrass yourself

It won't be enough obviously, but it'll make accepting the truth easier

>>168795836
it's just a contrived way of adding higher affixes like PoE often does

>>168796384
>implying i need practice

I haven't played scion/shadow yet, do you have any build recommendations etc. what I should do?