/dadg/ Darkest Dungeon General

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help, what do I bring?

>>168761741
You're in no position to fight him, send your level 6 guys and just retreat from the fight immediately.

>>168761741
Don't do it, you'll get fucked.

>>168761323
Put the link from the old thread next time OP
>>168481749

>>168761741
>just retreat from the fight immediately.
Doesn't that kill one of your guys at random like Darkest Dungeon?

>>168762657
For this >>168762057

>>168761741
Also, you lose 2 upgrade levels from buildings if you let them pillage your hamlet.

>>168762657
Then just send some level 0 guys off the stagecoach and retreat.

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>>168762769
>>168762657
>>168762485
>>168762057
are you guys just memeing me?

>>168762913
If you skip the quest, he destroys your buildings. If you fail or retreat, he leaves you alone. You can't retreat without losing a hero, so bring people you don't care about to it.

>>168763354
but is he that hard? I mean I'm already level 6, how much stronger am I even going to get?

>>168763470
I just went in with a level 6 crew GR-Occ-BH-MoA and ended with 2 on death's door and my BH dead. Wiping was a legit possibility.

Your guys already have stress issues, they're all gonna get triggered, possibly before you even get to Vvulf.


Speaking of which...
Is the stagecoach broken?

Week 72
>Jester
>Vestal
>Vestal
>Houndmaster
>Plague Doctor

Week 73
>Vestal
>Vestal
>Jester
>Plague Doctor
>Leper

Week 74
>Plague Doctor
>Vestal
>Jester
>Occultist
>Plague Doctor

My coach is literally about 80% vestals, jesters and plague doctors, with the occasional occultist thrown in

I've gone 40 weeks now with no replacement Arbalest, no replacement Highwayman, and no replacement Bounty Hunter

And now that my last surviving BH just got ganked by Vvulf I don't think I'm going to get another one.

>>168764425
i literally have not seen an abomination more than once since i started the game, and i'm 60+ weeks in

>>168764425
theres a setting in the menu called stagecoach deck I think, turn that off, it makes healers appear more than they should.

>>168763470
All your level six heroes have fairly high amounts of stress, while the event's enemies and boss deal heavy stress damage. You'd be risking affliction or heart attacks going in with them now. I also wouldn't suggest doing it for your first time without a man-at-arms, the boss has a very high damage attack that can easily take heroes to death's door from full HP if it crits. Guarding is extremely valuable during the fight.

Is the wiki accurate about the Radiant mode changes? I've heard different things about it so I'm not sure what's true or not.

>>168765708
I think everything other than
>Random Hunger Checks do not occur in Radiant Mode, but Food Provision cost increased to 125 and stack sized decreased 6 to compensate
is correct.

>>168765878
So there's no increases gold gains or smaller maps? Don't remember where I heard that from.

>>168766024
gold stacks across all modes have increased as a balance change

ANYTHING inside a dungeon is completely unchanged, just remember it that way

Radiant mode just lowers requirements for almost everything

>first fight in a cove dungeon
>thrall, ghoul, ghast
>party surprised
>ghoul's howl gives two heroes the worries
Well that was a fast quest.

>>168766572
Yeash, that's rough.

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I brought a crappy party, but they did pretty good.

>>168761323
I have 1 Hero Slot Left. What hero should I look out for? I have pretty much 2 of every class sans Grave Robber (Not much spawns), Abomination (1 is already a pain to upgrade skill-wise), and Antiquarian (I rarely ever use her outside when I really need money)

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Goddamn it.

>>168771453
Kill his ass.

>>168771453
>free 45k

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>>168764592
I survived! Does he only summon raiders? Cause if he summoned anything else it would've been rough there were two heart attacks later trying to 100% the map, rip

>>168771256
A Vestal, as healers are always useful.

Is there a way to find out the crit rate of your heals?

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>>168771518
>>168771578

These are the only guys I got who can do a novice level quest, so I'll just chuck them at this nigger crow and see how it turns out.

>>168771697
all heals have a 12.5% (1/8) chance to crit, and I believe your crit rate doesnt affect it

>>168771592

Nah, the big threat is the bomb. Guy got a 71 crit on my MoA when I fought him.

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Damn, this guy's theme music is sweet. Looks like this guy likes to steal phat beats too. Makes me look forward to what new music might be in the DLC.

>>168771890
I kind of cheesed it with that rank 4 shield + Guard so the bombs did single digits. But man those random encounters were so much more horrifying than Vvulf since I couldnt dps them fast enough with this build

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>>168771578

This was a green level crow, so it looks like it the nest didn't cough up as many gems as I was hoping.

Why does Occ's stab tend to hit for so much damage and crit so often? This is probably just biased selectional memory, but the fucks crit like no tomorrow.

>>168772639
his dagger has a very high crit mod (10% base). It also does extreme damage to Eldritch types.

>>168772773
>>168772639
Occultist's weapon has high base strength and sacrificial stab has a high crit mod. He used to destroy the weald until fungal zombies got a ton of protection.

>>168772773
>10% base
That would explain it.

does anybody here has a snap of jester's hopeless?

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>>168771453
>crusader named Darell

ayo hol up senpai

assuming I have all of the best trinkets, whats the best loadout for a Leper? Sun Ring/Moon Ring seems obligatory for the +10 acc but do I want Dismas's head or the berserk mask?

does the Jester's +20% stress healed drum mean that his stress heal is more effective or that he just receives more stress heal?

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>>168774538
I use immunity mask or garlic because resistances and focus ring because accuracy

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>>168774054
only fearful if it helps

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>>168774054
I have abusive.

Apparently if you use a key when someone's Kleptomania triggers, he lets you keep the treasure.

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>>168775869
that works with all the curios, keep up

ok this is fucking bullshit. I have 4 dead Vestals now. I can't keep this fuckers alive for some reason.

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>>168776349
maybe because you stress them too much, you monster

>>168776482
Coincidentally, my last Vestal died due to Heart Attack. You're probably right since she was Level 2 and I brought her to a Short Champion Dungeon to Power Level.

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>>168775515
>>168775714

thanks, made this one from you screenshot

>>168776557
>Power Level.
do not do that unless you have dogemaster with guard and stress heal, and ancestor portrait
or do not do that at all

>>168761741
I faced him the other day, he really wasn't too bad, but maybe i was just lucky.
I had:
Leper with life crystal and surgical gloves
MaA with tough ring and ancestor's bottle
Hound Master with a camo cloak and a music box I got during the mission
Occultist with junia's head and something else.

Leper was the main damage dealer, and with a little over 70 or health, he took hits well. Because the boss can guard a friendly unit, the leper can effectively hit him regardless of his rank with revenge boosted chops

The MaA was incredibly bulky, so he guarded whatever unit that was targeted by a bomb.

The occultist used weakening curse to cut vulvf's damage to the point that the bombs did 4 or 5 damage to the MaA when they blew.

The houndmaster marked and rushed vulvf.

It went well with everyone at 70% health or higher at the end. I lost my MaA to a fucking fuselier in a fight after to some really unlucky crits and a heart attack sadly.

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Neat, I guess.

>>168776762
>(Radiant and Darkest modes) Vvulf quest and Vvulf himself not quite as tough, and also won’t appear before week 40 minimum.
Apparently he got nerfed.

>>168776765
dude, too many torches and provisions
not enough holy water or herbs

>>168776595
Nice, saved.

>>168776965
It's a long dungeon. And the ruins no less, what would you be using herbs on?

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>>168777217
curing stress debuffs, iron maidens, alchemy tables
24 food and 16 torches are enough for long dungeon

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Do you guys prioritize upgrading weapons or armor first?

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>>168777672
why not both?
but if I have to choose, I upgrade armor as it provides dodge and HP

>>168777843
I have to do one before the other, smithy upgrades are pricey.

>>168778004
trouble yourself not with the cost of this crusade

>>168777672
I always get armor upgrades first for the sole purpose of increasing the Houndmaster's dodge chance.

For all other heroes; weapons. Speed is perhaps the most important stat in the game. The extra damage is okay too.

>>168776965
>>168777272
The torches are on the high side, but between the extra light lost per step I'm getting, the cultists, and the chance for a bad map layout, I'd rather play it safe and overshoot how many I need. Sixteen torches definitely hasn't been enough for me in previous dungeons. I can always throw extras out if I need to.

I don't particularly care that much about the ruins curio interactions. I almost never end up needing the confession booths, and the team I'm bringing on this dungeon has two stress healers anyway. Alchemy stations, urns, and iron maidens only guarantee loot, which I'll probably end the quest filled with. It's not like I'm missing out on purging a negative quirk like I would be if I didn't bring herbs to the cove.

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>>168778413
>Not lading packs to the absolute brim with loot

On the real is there a more lovecraftian game/story than this? Definitely beats out bloodborne imo

>>168781106
no

maybe sunless sea but that's mostly just a story, not sure if there's much game

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>>168779995
>being low on supplies
Is this enough, senpai?

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>Very first playthough on Radiant
>Spent 30 hours farming shit, upgrading stuff, leveluping solders, collecting trinkets, it was fun
>Have fully upgraded Blacksmith, Guild and Stage Coach
>~15 out of 25 are level 6, all fully equipped and leveluped
>Suddenly hit the wall, level 5 dungeons are too difficult for lvl 5 solders and there is no reason to send lvl 6 there, since they won't levelup anyway
>Decided to try the Darkest Dungeon
>Sent the A team, got teamwipe on the boss
>Immediately sent the B team, got teamwipe on the second combat in the dungeon
>Realized I lost all of my good trinkets and half of my lvl6 solders and I have to spend hours to repair the damage
>Decided to try the Hag instead
>Sent the best of the best lvl6
>Only managed to get her to 80% HP and then had to flee because 3 out of 4 were and the Death Door
>Realized there is nothing I can do to increase my power except for hours of mindless trinket and quirk farming
>Ragequit and deleted the save
So I'm not going to start again, but I want to know, what are you suppose to do after you hit 6lvl with your solders?

>>168716696
>Another neat ability for the cook would be being able to stack food higher and getting more food from food curios, but I think you cannot mod that in either.
i'm pretty sure that'd be possible
in the antiquarian.info.darkest you'll find a line that says " extra_stack_limit: .id antiquarian_gold "
and in inventory.darkest you'll find " extra_stack_limit: .id antiquarian_gold .item_type gold .item_id "" .amount 750 "
i'm no coder, but it looks like a pattern you could use

>>168781567
You've pretty much got it, once a hero gets to level six they go to the darkest dungeon. Once you complete the four darkest dungeon quests you beat the game. After that you do it again on Darkest and Stygian mode.

>>168781567
>what are you suppose to do after you hit 6lvl with your solders?
Remind yourself that overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer.

>>168782763
>>168782817
So the DD is beatable with regular lvl6 guys without any special trinket/quirk magic and I just had to git gud?
For me It feels like the difficulty increase between lvl3 dungeons and lvl5-lvl6 is too steep - I had no problems with clearing lvl3 dungeons with lvl3 team yet I got my ass kicked several times in lvl5 dungeon with lvl5 team, same with lvl6 team and DD/Bosses.

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Please sell me me on the Abomination. Why would you ever want to use this guy?

I completed the game without ever understanding what this class is supposed to do. I took him with me once in the entire game. My bro-bro Reynauld wouldn't go with him, he stressed out the rest of the party, generally acted like a fag and died on the first Death Door.

Those who are running this abomination of a character :^), why?

>>168783080
i'd say there is about the same gap between lv1 and 3 and lv3 and 5.
In lv5 you have to pay attention to your trinkets, play with stuns, temporize for heals and you should be fine
in lv3 as long as you don't have shit quirks things will go smooth (with basic trinkets)

>>168783123
he has self heal, a decent stun and can be nearly as good as a leper when he turns

>>168783263

>he has self heal, a decent stun and can be nearly as good as a leper when he turns

But why not just run a leper then? That also has self-heal, and doesn't stress out the rest of the party. If you need stun, there are better options as well.

What niche does he fill? What party compositions make him shine?

>>168783926
I guess he shines in the ruins because he can plague bot the midline then pummel shit along side the grave robber and the plague doctor

>>168783926
>>168784026

He's good against Shamblers if you camp before a shambler.

You pour whatever damage and speed buffs you have on him, and then have him transform and spam rake to kill the little shambler babies before they can do anything. The rake increases damage on each turn, to help ensure the baby shamblers stay dead.

Rake spam is also good when combined with occultist's tentacle pull because it clears the corpses from early rakes AND puts the squishies in the range of rake.

There is a trinket that lessens the stress Abomination gives out when tranforming/transformed, and I believe the more you level the skill, the less stress it gives.

Parties that crit a lot and focus on the stressfags in the enemy backline are good with him.

The annoying thing about him is his headbutt skill doesn't work in the very back, which is probably the skill he'd most want to be able to use when he's put back there.

>>168783080
Most players have some difficulties when transitioning from veteran to champion dungeons. On Darkest and Stygian you'd have to power through it and adapt since heroes won't accept quests on a lower level than they are, but Radiant is lax with that and lets you put off the problem.

The most important thing to learn is knowing when to retreat. There's room to experiment with different strategies on high level quests using high-level heroes, but that's only possible if you aren't getting team-wiped. Sometimes a clean win just isn't possible and it's better to cut your losses and run away. That way at least your failures don't result in hours of grinding and leveling up a new batch of heroes.

>>168784026

>I guess he shines in the ruin
It's a shame that the other two characters who shine in the ruins, Vestal and Crusader, refuse to go with him.

>>168784337
Cool, I'll give him a try with an crit party. Let's hope he can handle being shuffled all the time

When are they going to fix the "Religious characters don't like Abbo but are fine with the wise magical arab of R'lyeh lore" bullshit?

>>168783926
I love him in the Weald for his blight resist. The party I use is HM-OCC-ABOM-MaA. MaA usually guards ABOM since the main annoying enemies can only hit the front two rows. OCC debuffs Treebranch faggots attack, HM marks them, ABOM can knockback rush debuff them and stun them along with MaA. HM can help stress in battle and at camp. I run the ABOM anti stress trinket a bit too.

Hey general, i plan to make a joke team of 3 highwaymen and a vestal

what i need from you are your three favorite humorous homosexual slurs

the vestal shall be fag hag
for the highwaymen themselves, i am thinking
shit stabber for the melee man
fart knocker for the ranged lad
fudge packer for the riposte and point blank lad

let me know your favorites
spoilers are to prevent butthurt

i feel like a dummy for asking, but in the musketeer readme, it says to merge the contents of the darkest dungeon file with the application file.
do i just drag and drop or do i have to take each folder out individually and match them to the other folders or what?

>>168786518

Drag and drop. You'll get a notification saying "these files have the same name, do you want to merge them?) You might also want to go to the localization file after doing so and run the batch file in there.

>>168785227

Not so loud, red hook might hear
Do you really want to make shit even harder for the player?

>>168786914
I meant to make the bible-thumpers play nice with the poor abbo.

Someone mentioned last thread that it's possible to lock party positions, but I'm not seeing the option?
This would make it so the party is reshuffled back to the original order after each fight.
Where do I find this?

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>“You know… This is my first snow since before Jerusalem.”

>>168785227
>>168786914
>>168786981

My assumption is that the whole "religious folk won't work with Abom" thing was the kickstarter backer's idea, not Redhook's.

>>168786989

Click on the map button after a fight, it'll be the blue button that appears above the map button.

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>>168786989
there is no such option
you can click default party position after every fight, but no auto reshuffle

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>>168786989
There's a default position button, but no way to automate it.

>>168786513
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LGBT_slang_terms

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>>168787089
he looks too happy
no happiness allowed in Darkest Dungeon

>>168786768
Im not getting the notification, drag and dropping the folder just moves it into the darkest dungeon steamapps folder, i feel like im probably missing something obvious

>>168787089
>>168787128
>>168787193

Thanks for the quick responses!

If you did it right, the dialogue file in the localization folder should have musketeer lines in it (just open it with notepad++ and use ctrl+F to find the lines.)

Go check.

>>168776482
Whats happening here.

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>>168787619
they are relieving themselves

>>168787768
H-how exactly?

>>168787549

Meant to respond to >>168787247

>>168787549
Thanks! the lines are there, appreciate the help

>>168787929

Cool, just do a bunch of short runs until she shows up or find a musketeer trinket (she has unique class trinkets like the others do, but like her they're just reskins of the arbalest trinkets.)

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>>168787860
they use their camp skills

>>168787985
What are these camp skills you speak of?

>>168788710
Self Medicate, Bless, Sharpen Spear, Revel

>>168789310
That doesnt look like self medication right there, why is the grave robber on top of the plague doctor?

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>>168789736
Why indeed.

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>>168789736
PD is recieving The Cure from GR Snuff Box

>>168789850
Anon what do you mean by snuff box? Also why is the gr's shirt open she'll get a cold.

>>168790018
>>168789850
>snuff box was her clam all along

>>168790731
Why would her clam cure diseases? You would think it would give diseases instead.

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>>168790983
U calling grave robber a slut?

>People still think Abom is shit
>Meanwhile people just win Stygian sub 25 weeks by getting as many Abom and HM as possible
HM-HM-Abom-Abom is the most busted comp and will never be nerfed

>>168791383
>HM-HM-Abom-Abom
say what now

>>168791243
I mean..

yes?

>>168791547
I could see that work, with all stuns, blights, bleeds self heals and kinda good damage

>>168791383
Yeah I could see that being pretty good. I'm against running more than one of the same class though, unless it's Antiquarian anyway.

>>168792282
>Not experiencing Holy Lance Chaingun

>>168792421
If I'm playing shuffle games with Crusader then I push him back with Grave Waifu or am fighting something that shuffles anyway. I guess full chain would be nice against certian bosses though.

Alright, so I just got Furries at the Door and don't have a MaA since mine died 20 weeks or so ago and of course no replacement. Am I fucked ? You people make it seem like he's completely mandatory, can I handle just going in with an Occ instead of a Vestal ?
Also, does disabling the shitty deck system fuck over strict mode ?

>>168792927
You can use the hellion,she's allright.

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>>168791383
>HM-Abom-Abom-Abom
>Hard Skinned+Moon Cloak+Protective Padlock

>>168792927
No, it does not disable strict mode. It's its own setting.

>>168793068
>>168793385
Great, thanks!

>>168792927
Houndmaster is a suitable replacement for MAA since he has a guard as well, albeit a bit riskier than MAA since his gives him prot and the Houndmaster one gives him dodge. if you really don't have either, you're gonna fucking suffer through the mission. now granted you can ignore the mission, but doing so basically sets you back months of in game weeks because of the fact that he just deletes the progress of two buildings. so skipping it entirely is an option, but usually just a last resort one. you can bring a squad of level 0's fresh from the cart and just abandon immediately to not face the repercussions of not doing it entirely, but if this is stygian you'll just get one death closer to the limit

>DD1 on NG+
>Seat 4 Arab is soley focused by stress attacks, never recovers any even when my team crits like crazy
>selfish, while the rest has below 20 stress
>almost full HP, he gets critted for 32 dmg with the finger, instant death's door + DoT
>next turn dies to bleed immediatly

Ok, fuck this, I'm done with NG+. This is stupid

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>>168794148
arab is useless in DD1, hell, up till DD4 where almost everybody becomes viable, arab man of 0 heal+bleed elsewhere is asking for trouble

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>>168794319
but his memes are the greatest

>>168794319
I know, but when your Vestal was already mopped during your first visit of DD1 and time is pressing, you take the Arab over the Arbalest.

What are good setups for lvl 5 bosses? Things like necro lord, swine god etc etc.

>>168795784
same as for lvl 3 bosses, but with more trinkets, skills, and better weapons

for necro take blighter
for pigman take bleeder

MAN IN A ROBE, CLAIMING COMMUNION WITH THE DIVINE

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>>168795784
necro lord is obviously crusader bait, so bring two or maybe even three if you're ballsy, and a vestal for heals. prophet gets absolutely cheesed if you bring double arab man to debuff his attack stat to nil levels. from there you can focus the pews for your frontliners to take him out easy while the arabs keep debuffing him. don't forget antivenom for this fight. swine god can be tricky, but manageable. bring a full fledged marking party of occ, arb, hound, and bh, mark and either debuff the god's attack or have arab focus heals, and the key thing about arb is that she can clear out marks with rallying flare, so make sure she doesn't get stunned by wilbur. flesh is prime double or maybe even triple houndmaster time, spam hound's harry and hope it dies before you do from the massive bleed damage you rack up on him
more on the bosses in the next post

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Oh boy. should I? maybe after I finish the dungeon? its a lvl 3.

>>168796771
I would finish the quest first, then at least you can run and quit if needed. Save a log to buff before you challenge it.

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>>168796584
hag witch is a total bitch to deal with, pray she doesn't pot your main attackers, I recommend a semi mark party of vestal, arb, hound, and hellion. spam iron swan with frontliner hellion, eat dog treats for maximum rush damage, and mark with arb to lower her dodge and keep a mark for hound to get boosted damage. pounder is an endurance match instead of a full fledged rushdown. I recommend the same party as the last boss. keep everybody healthy and no matter what, always focus the matchman, even if there's a character on DD. siren can be a bitch if she charms a main attacker, but this can be cheesed if you bring a lower leveled antiquarian to the fray for her to aim to claim her, but obviously you risk dying earlier since the cove itself is the problem here, as for other party members, just standard cove run team, so no big bleeders like houndmaster or jester (unless you run finale). finally the crew is also crusader bait bring him and if you really feel ballsy bring someone with a massive move skill chance attack to try to pull the crew or push the anchor, but if you do manage to do that, all you have to do is focus the crew and not worry about his gimmick

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>>168797154
Wew, that was close. Based hellion and pd carried the fight. Plague doctor destroyed the boss with blight while the rest of the team dealt with the clapperfucks. Thank god hellion landed a lucky breakthrough and crit to instakill. Now I just gotta make it to the room and camp.

>>168797521
you don't need two blight trinkets in the ruins.

If you have an adequately leveled plague doctor, you barely need one

>>168797667
I havent played in a while, I forgot what I used to bring on pds, thought those might work. What are some good trinkets?

>>168797731
Blasphemous Vial because stuns, Hag's Ladle because so

>>168797787
Dont have either I think.

>>168797731
you could take stun trinkets to perma stun people

you can take speed trinkets to stun bone nobles before they can tempt you

otherwise you can take surprise/scouting trinkets just 'cause someone has to

>>168797882
One reward from quest, another is trophy from Champion Witch

>>168797976
Yeah I know I just said I didnt have them.

>>168775170
That pic is hilarious. Thanks for a laugh.

>>168781567
>what are you suppose to do after you hit 6lvl with your solders?
Kill bosses and help out occasional 5's to catch up.

It sounds like you are bad at team comps, you don't need bis trinkets/quirks for DD, even on darkest, you just need sound strategy and lack of fuck ups.

I completed the first mission on second try with lack of supplies event in total darkness by the time I got to the boss. The trick is to prepare a team that is geared to counter opposition's top moves. In DD1 they are Stress spam, bleed spam and party shuffle. I went in with Man-at-arms, Vestal, Highwayman and a Jester for stress heal. Equipped them with a bunch of blood resist trinkets to avoid bleed spam and went in. Do note how everyone but the vestal has 1 forward move, allowing you to perpetually move vestal to back line even if she gets pushed forward. This isn't the "best" comp, you can find any number of ways to counter DD1, but you have to think about it, not just send your topdog team because it worked elsewhere well. Admittedly losing trinkets sucks, I had a couple very rare ones going in, but you don't need them, they just make it easier and safer.

>>168798140
Just use anything that increase stuns, speed, or whatever, decrease stress

>>168793525
there's also the antiquarian, his "protect me" gives prot.

>>168786513

Good luck actually getting 3 highwaymen.

I haven't had a highwayman appear on the coach in over 50 turns.

>>168796527
Madness.

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>>168798895
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPHuQFN7L70
When I played before corpses were a thing, HWM was beast
mostly because there was no Arb, M@A, Abo
no Cove, no Darkest Dungeon
and beating up frontrow fast was valid tactic

>>168793525
houndmasters guard is worthless in the fight. You cannot dodge "time's up", it has a >200% accuracy. It's not risky, it's impossible.

>tfw 100 hp leper

Lmao.

>>168799549
well shit, there goes that strat, at least I know now so I don't give bogus tips in the future

>>168799989
>>168799549
you cannot dodge time's up, but can you dodge bomb's away? it only have 113% accuracy, which is very dodgable for dogeman

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Just found this off a random 3 bone dudes encounter, this is pretty effing good no?

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>>168800602
that is amazing and I do not have that one yet
now you will stress skellys!

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>>168800690
>saving the thumbnail

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>>168800892
haha, you got trolled by clicking on it and thinking it is not thumbnail but indeed it was XD
epic win!!!!111

>>168800978
>bleed
bitch the bleed risk rises with the skill level, just keep the skill a level or two below, [even without junia's head] it's powerful enough and you have 0 bleed risk

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>>168801326
>he doesn't run junia's head + cleansing crystal

what's the common skillbuild on antiquarians?

>>168801746
when based akinator gives you a 40+ critheal, you really don't need it

>>168801746
>not Ethereal Crux+Eldrith Killing Incense

>>168802371
anything with Protect Me and little heal

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>>168802426
>akinator

>>168802516
I will ask him now if he knows Ancestor

>>168802473
stab vapors heal and protect me good enough?

Also, is heal better than flashpowder?

>>168802604
anything better than flashpowder
it is almost useless

Akinator asks me if Ancestor was in space
does Shambler Space counts?

Akinator have no idea who Ancestor is
some experiments should've never happened
We are doing just work ending them

>>168802604

Heal can be used situationally if someone important is on death's door. Flashpowder has no purpose.

Also, auntie's stab isn't great, but it's better than you'd think.

Rabies usable on a hellion or must cure?

Ok I need a man at arms in my party but I dont know what to get rid of. I have a lvl 3 vestal, lvl 2 bh, lvl 2 occ, lvl 2 arbalest, these are my lowest level units, everything else is
5+

The only manatarms in my stagecoach is a lvl 0 scrub. Should I do what I did until now and keep waiting for a good one to pick up or get rid of one of the above and make room for him?

>>168802749
isn't the final darkest dungeon in space?

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Is that the fucking collector?

Yeah, I think I'm outta here.

>>168761323
Should the musketeer mod replace arbalest? If yes then mine is not working.

>>168805825
no, it adds the musketeer as a new class

>>168805618
could also be a shambler.

or a normal fight, you know.

>>168806158
Yeah I took the risk, it was the shambler.

Rip bh and arbalest. Luckily the only things I was super bummed on losing were the bh trinkets. At least I got the rest back, could have definitely been a full wipe.

>>168806389
you can always run against a hallway shambler, FYI

>>168806705
I did, I couldnt run the first 3 turns, 4th failed, 5th was denied by the fucking vestal, on the 6th bh and arbalest died and the other two managed to flee.

>>168807037
rip

>>168807156
I actually was doing decently, got him less than half hp. But the clappers just got too strong and I swear the fucking occultist couldnt land a stun to save his fucking life.

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>>168806389
>lost the rarest trinket in the game

>>168807403
I mean, meh, I only just got it up above. Sure its good, but rng-eth giveth and rng-eth taketh.

>>168807403
goblet's the rarest trinket in the game?

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>>168807524
You are calm like a puddle my dude

>>168808245
Cause im used to it. I remember before I stopped playing, I had a night where I got like 3 ancestral trinkets randomly from weak mobs, and in 3 separate occasions lost all 3 on the same day.

thats just one example, I always lose the trinkets I get randomly that are really good. As soon as I got the goblet I was already resigned to losing it, lo and behold.

>>168808151
Either that or the Madman trinkets.

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>be rich
>own a pretty good chunk of territory
>have some pretty influential pull
>have all the food I could ever want
>have all the women I could ever fuck
>have all the money I could ever want
>get bored of basically owning my own country one day
>throw a homeless woman into the ocean
>throw my intellectual equal into the woods
>invite a bunch of scholars from over seas to my abode and cut their throats so I can practice my necromancy
>decide to start practicing magic tricks on local farm animals and townies
>I'm not very good at magic so I just chuck them all into the sewers
>hire a bunch of pirates to bring me spooky shit
>kill them because they rightfully want more of my money to do this sketchy bullshit
>some dickhead shows up and starts telling everyone what I'm up to
>doesn't stay dead so I show him this cool altar underneath my house
>rips out his eyes, bites off his tongue and fucks off into the ruins
>gets a pretty big following somehow
>okay this shit's getting out of hand; people are starting to get wise
>hire a bunch of bandits to be my personal gestapo
>works for a bit; decide to loan them cannons once openly butchering people doesn't keep them in line anymore
>bandits decide to fuck off with my cannons
>whatever I'm almost done anyway
>finally make some headway on the shit underneath my house
>turns out I woke up Yog-Sothoth
>kills everyone so I book it while it says something weird to me
>write a letter to my famalam
>blow my brains out before the townies can get to me
>soul gets devoured
>wind up getting twisted into Nyarlathotep for being such a shitter
>decide to be the voice in my senpai's head so I can mislead him into thinking he's doing the right thing
>tl;dr I damned the world and possibly the universe out of boredom
>it truly was the darkest dungeon

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The dynamic duo proved too much for the heart of the world

>>168809535

Which duo?

Dismas and Reynauld?
or Dismas and his own head in a bag

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>>168809525
>When the Heart of Darkness and the Heart of Man are one in the same

Dazed

>>168809525
I fucking love how the ancestor is such a giant cunt.

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Do I?

>>168815101
Do you have incision on the PD and a frontline skill on the Vestal?

>>168815101
The MAA is underleveled and expendable if that tips the scales.

>>168815101
Dont do it anon. remember overconfidence.

>>168815101
you will get rekt. who will kill the clapperclaws? the PD? the vestal? a dead MMA? doggo man can only handle one at a time

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I fucking hate long missions
I just lost three of four party members in the Weald because of the stupid fucking old women who can le infinite epic meme dodge
If she had dodged two less hits that fight would have been over sooner and I would still have all those cunts
I have so few level 3s and 4s and forcing shitty low level characters through missions to grind them up is getting so tedious
I barely ever fight bosses any more because all I'm fucking doing is grinding low level characters

It's been over two years in game and I've only got one level 6

>>168815101

Remind yourself...

>>168815237
Sure don't

Yeah I'm pretty boned if I shuffle poorly and maybe even anyway. Another day shambler.

>>168761323
Well just got "A thief in the night" and the only high level hero I have is a level 4 Reynauld. It stole at least a holy orders, so its a champ bird i think. Will the quest stay for a bit, or disappear if I ignore it? I really dont want to risk underleveled hero's deaths

>>168815714

Don't do long missions then. Unless the trinket seems utterly crucial, fuck it. They're almost never worth it. Choose short scout missions, bring people who can scout well, avoid fights, run the dungeon and get out with your xp.

>>168815385
>killing claws
>when you have a dedicated vestal healing single for 14 or team for 7 each round
maybe a rotating stun every round but besides that you can focus on the shambler

>>168816309
Have you ever fought the shambler before?

>>168816441
multiple times. fairly easy encounter to be honest, though I always initiated when I was full on health and low on stress

>>168816074

All you need to do is survive 4 rounds. Don't stun it and get it stuck.

Hell, if you have two occ's and two MaA's, you could bombard the bird with double weakening curses and have your MaA's guard the occ's to drastically lower the bird's damage output and wait him out.

>>168816074
It will stay pretty much forever

The bird also collects trinkets from dungeons where your party wipes

Just wait until you can deal with it

It will say the difficulty of the mission depending on if the icon is green/yellow/red

>>168816520

If you're so good, then just do it.

>>168816851
>The bird also collects trinkets from dungeons where your party wipes
Woah what really? Im >>168805618 this anon, does this mean that the shrieker might collect those bh trinkets and I'll have to go kill it? I have a shitload of lvl 6 heroes I think I can take it on.

>>168803458
The word I'd use to descrie Auntie's stab is "reliable"

>>168816563
Most of my heroes are really underleveled. Dismas/Reynauld are only level 4 for doing like 2-3 vet missions. Don't even think I saw an occ yet, and my maa's are level 2 and 1 respectively.
>>168816851
So it will just squat there? nice

>>168816978
not that dude
I don't think it's doable

>>168817467
Here's a screenshot. Im sorta colorblind, but it does say champ for the mission. It did steal one of my holy orders, which I think makes it champ, right?

>>168817690
>Here's a screenshot
You may be colorblind but I'm straight up blind.

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>>168817690
forgot pic

>>168816851
I'm pretty sure the Devs confirmed on Steam that the Town event quests go away after a week and the party wipe one is the one that doesn't go away.

>>168817330
yep

after you lose enough trinkets, you can get them back by going on a shrieker quest

>>168818280
The one where you can go to get a special shrieker trinket is only available on the day, while retrieving stolen trinkets is always available

>>168817902
yep that's champion

I'd recommend just leaving that until you're ready.

You could try to send 4 level 0's in and see if they can survive until round 4

>>168818620
i was thinkin of trying it, but i forgot, my higher leveled heroes have some nasty diseases. If itll stay there, then ill train a bit more. Thanks

So with this shrieker, do you seriously only have to survive 4 turns? Do you get any bonus from trying to kill him or is he as tanky as the pounder?

>>168819203
on champion difficulty, it has 63 dodge

it also has 3 moves per round, so it feels pretty long

>>168819350
>63 dodge

jesus fuck. So what do you get, double occultist bh?

>>168819445
You need buffs that give +Acc since debuffs would fall off super quickly due to it taking 3 actions per turn.

>>168819601
>tfw you have 4 focus rings

ez. But is it worth it though?

>>168819759
Sun/Moon Rings are also good. I dunno if I'd recommend doing a dark run though since the boss does so much stress damage and has a high crit chance.

>>168820205
I don't think you actually can do a dark run as the fight starts immedietly

>>168820717
You can boost/lower light in combat.

>>168820717
>>168820205
Yeah but do you get anything out of killing the bird? any extra gold trinkets anything?

>>168819203
>>168819445

Killing him is meaningless except for it being a feather in your cap.

Destroying his nest, on the other hand, gives you fat stacks of cash.

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>>168809535
>letting gentle, unwilling PD and Vestal die while Dismas and Reynauld are damned men who bravely accept what they have coming
Assuming you went all the way and took the OG party in.

>>168820923
If you kill the bird you get the trinket reward (if there is one). If you kill the nest you get a shit ton of gold instead.

I found it to be extremely easy with 2 Grave Robber throwing daggers (+Acc), Hellion front line & Man-At-Arms guarding both Grave Robbers. Be sure to equip Acc trinkets as well if you go for it.

>>168821804
Is it like a madman scenario where you have to kill pews to get gold? Or is it something else?

>>168822018
There's just one nest, it takes up 2 slots and the bird takes 2 slots as well. They will alternate rank position. The fight ends when you kill the bird or the birds last action on Turn 4.

If you're really lucky you could theoretically do both - kill the nest and then the bird before its last Turn 4 action. You'd need a lot of crits though. Could probably do it with 4 Houndmasters.

>>168821804
You don't need to kill the bird to get the trinket, when I went there I got the nest and left it at around 15hp before it flew away.

REELING

what is the best comp and area to farm gold? i'm need dem $$$ man...always short on money

>>168826093
Ruins is good for money, lots of treasure curios.

>ironman'ing
>doing amazing; full roster of heroes with great quirks and trinkets
>decide to do a 'three widgets' mission
>collector shows up
>dismas drops the ball and misses with every attack
>wipe

didn't need that save anyway

>>168826613

??
Is there even a way to play without autosaving?

>>168826897
Nah; the autosaving makes ironman runs that much more frustrating, but it's a nice change of pace.

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>>168825779
ABOUT TO BAKE!

<whistles>

If you could add another boss where would you add and what would it be?

Random encounter in any area but the Darkest Dungeon, opposing adventurer party made up of any of the named party combos or a 2-space beast Abomination

>>168828780
I'd like more random boss events which the DLC is going to do just that. I hope The Fanatic will be stronger than the shambler.

>>168829726
There's a dlc coming out?

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>>168829886
Due April.

>>168830076
can't wait to beat the shit out of vampires. killing bloodsuckers is my jam

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>>168829726
>he will hunt down your heroes should they wander into a dungeon bearing something known as the "crimson curse."

Vampire infects you, your hero becomes more powerful(?) but the downside is he hunts you down. Sounds really fun if it works like this.

>>168830680
love his design. reminds me of zealot from HoMM5, except this one is crazy

>>168830680
>>168830076
Holy fuck this looks rad.

I cant fucking wait, will this be a new location like the cove/ruins?

>>168831015
The onyl info we know are these two images, the latter being a new miniboss, like the Shambler or Collector, that hunts your party down if anyone is afflicted with the 'crimson curse.'

>>168830680
Reminds me of the executioners from bloodborne.

Speaking of, Gerhman boss when?

Is Barristan's Head the most useless one? I can't think of anyone to use it on.

>>168833064
It's the only one I never use.

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I decided to do my first long champion dungeon and I picked the Wealds since it has an Ancestral Musketball

>go through first few rooms no sweat
>first time I ever bump into a Collector
>long protracted battle because I couldnt land a decent stun on him
>team highly stressed out but no one majorly injured
>fight my first Hateful Virago in a hallway
>its okay, I brought my graverobber with sun ring and natural eye
>missmissmiss
>ohdeargodwhyisanyofthisallowed
>come out with three people afflicted
>decide to try one more room, maybe at least use my camps to burn off some stress
>another hateful Virago group
>retreatfailedretreatfailedretreatfailed
>4 people marked, retreat succeeded before I got pounded
>call it a quits crawl home with 4 people afflicted

I mean I avoided the worst care scenario but I need to take a break from the game after this.
Are the other champion dungeons this bad?

do green low lvl quests will disappear completely if you play specific area a lot? I used to have 3 to 4 green quests, now I got 1 green and 3 orange and so on. I can't remember the last time I seen a green quest in ruins

>>168837443
I dont think they'll ever disappear completely but you'll only like 1-2 at a time, maybe just rng

>>168837443
Quest generation is based on the levels of your guys in your roster. If you have no guys that can do level 0 - 2 missions then they either stop spawning or have a very low chance.

>>168837598
>>168837691


oh, got it, thanks, that must be it.

>>168837598
>>168837443
You don't get low level quests if you don't have any low level characters

I would've never thought Sacrificial Stab plus all the other anti-eldritch goods are so good on based mad arab. I'm racking dmg in the 20s and 30s crit plus Abyssal Artillery are fucking up squishy enemies like fish shaman and cultist slut. He's better than Vestal as a backup fighter in places like Cove.

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25 hours in I brought myself to google how to activate camping mode

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>>168839456
i feel bad for your parents as i assume it took a decade to potty train you.

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>>168809525
>decide to be the voice in my senpai's head so I can mislead him into thinking he's doing the right thing
>senpai
You mean Kouhai, right?

>>168840114
Nah, "senpai" gets automatically changed to "senpai" now.

>>168840114
>>168840258
dammit, "f a m" gets changed to "senpai" now

>>168840114
>being this new

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>mrw I take two houndmasters to ruins with just bleed skills and no cry havoc

>>168839456
Don't feel too bad, 50 hours in i'm still not sure what the borders around the quest icons mean.

>post a positive review for DD on steam
>whole bunch of faggots down vote it immediately
Are normies really that pleb?

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>>168840389
>>168840610
P-please enlighten me, s-senpai.

What cosmetic classes would you come up with if given the chance? Think the how Musketeer is to the Arbalest.

>>168842065
lich occultist

>>168842065
Road Warrior for Bounty Hunter
Shovel Knight for Crusader
Duelist for Highwayman
Mindbender for Occultist
Constable for Houndmaster

>>168841659
post review

>>168836059
If you run from a collector it doesn't redrawn when you go back to that battle he isn't worth 5000 at champ level

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>just killed the collector in round 2

never thought I'd feel bad for this fuck, but damn bro

>>168842065
Generic viking MaA

>>168844498
thats good to know, I just assumed he was like Shambler, which does NOT leave

>>168844602
At least that's what happened when I ran to change skills, came back and it was just regular skeletons or grubs

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>A FORTUNE WAITING TO BE SPENT
>100g

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Are you fucking kidding me? I needed that 3 crests

>>168841483
You mean the circlet? Each point is how long the quest is going to be. No crosshairs is short, 3 prongs are medium and 5 prongs are long quests.

So, I just started playing on Radiant(because I'm a casual baby), but I'm still feeling like I don't understand a fuckton of stuff. I mean, I've been upgrading the Stage Coach as my top priority, and I cheated and looked up how best to handle the Curios on the wiki, but it still feels like I'm running around in circles not making any progress. I'm afraid to spend any money right now because who knows how long my initial troops will get even though no one has died yet. Suggestions?

>Just play the fucking game pussy, experience is the best learning tool

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>>168844969
>A FORTUNE WAITING TO BE SPENT
>a single unburnt torch

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I made thing

>>168849815
for Curios, just know which ones are guranteed to give you neat stuff, like stress heal or curing negative quirks, skip the books though.

At the beginning of the game you just want to learn party composition and attacking properly. That means knowing your ranges and how to reach the things you need to. Learn how to deal with stress or stress healing compositions, like bringing a Jester or a Crusader and spamming the stress heal. Your troops are more likely to die due to stress related shenanigans than they are from actual enemies that early on. Make sure to use the Sanitarium to remove any bad quirks.

As you go through more dungeons and everyone starts leveling up, you can start investing gold in them. They're less likely to die with armor yknow.

Its when you get to Veteran and Champion with the much tougher enemies that is when the real game begins though. Thats when you have to be prepared to face certain miniboss tier enemies and that death is a lot more likely.

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>>168849815
I remember it was the same for me for a while. Eventually something just 'clicked' though.

At first, something that helped me was using heroes in 'appropriate' areas. So, crusader and vestal in ruins because they have attacks that do extra damage to undead, occultist in cove because he has attacks that do extra damage to eldritch, etc. Learning the threats of each area and what heroes are best suited to deal with them really helps.

Antiquarian can help you rack in some gold, if you put her on a team and make sure to protect her.

Have a quick gander at this image. Don't try and remember it off by heart, or even copy it exactly, but it really helped me understand how to set up a party until I had the basics down well enough to start playing with other stuff.

Don't be afraid to spend money on your heroes. What's really important is unlocking certain abilities which will really benefit your team. If you spend money on a hero to give them good moves, they're more likely to survive and make you that money back.

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Wat.

Is this an XML bug or some nonsense?

Any suggestions for the Brigand x-pounder fight? I'm figuring something like

Hellion with Iron Swan, Make it Bleed. Should I bring Adrenaline Rush?
Man at Arms as a buff/guard bot
Vestal for fourth
Torn on third, stuck between Bounty Hunter and Jester.

>>168854374
I say go Bounty Hunter over Jester. For the battle itself MAA isn't that great as a buff/guard bot though. If you can get on top of the initial bandits then the only thing that really matters is killing the match dude asap and he's guaranteed to move last. Whenever I go to fight the big guy I go three DPS and one healer and it ends up as a joke.

>>168853335
Yeah there are a decent few text bugs here and there. I believe they're gonna fix that in a patch this week.

>>168854635
Vestal-Occultist->Bounty-Hellion then? Since the occultist and Bounty Hunter have good synnergy, and he can drag the match maker to the front line where I can more readily stun him.

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Those fucking niggers want me to die in real life from stress or something?
Doing my first NG+ run and it's already harder with the new patch than it could before, so far no deaths on ~23 week and pretty much all good trinkets I'd use in DD and this shit appears.
Not only it shits on you with stealing your trinkets, almost kills my hero, stresses everyone out to 100+ and gives the black plague and a bunch of shitty negative quirks, it's also not even rewarding on veteran level.

I hope it's not a repeating town event because I don't want to do it ever again especially on champion level on NG+.
Gotta finish DDs fast...

>>168854374
>>168854635
4th position man-at-arms is actually a decent idea, for Command alone.

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>>168855107
>I hope it's not a repeating town event

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>>168764425
>I just went in with a level 6 crew GR-Occ-BH-MoA and ended with 2 on death's door and my BH dead. Wiping was a legit possibility.
>
>Your guys already have stress issues, they're all gonna get triggered, possibly before you even get to Vvulf.
>>168764592
>All your level six heroes have fairly high amounts of stress, while the event's enemies and boss deal heavy stress damage. You'd be risking affliction or heart attacks going in with them now. I also wouldn't suggest doing it for your first time without a man-at-arms, the boss has a very high damage attack that can easily take heroes to death's door from full HP if it crits. Guarding is extremely valuable during the fight.

You guys are royal shitters, aren't you?

>>168855515
>(Radiant and Darkest modes) Vvulf quest and Vvulf himself not quite as tough, and also won’t appear before week 40 minimum.
>bragging about having an easy time doing vvulf after he's been nerfed to shit

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>>168854374
>Any suggestions for the Brigand x-pounder fight? I'm figuring something like
Wasn't hard to kill it.

>>168855107
Prepare to be disappointed.

On the bright side, it has special trinkets it can drop on one of its special events.

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>>168855927
Except it's pre-patch Vvulf you literal mongoloid.

I'm doing NG+ now after the radiant patch which is harder than pre-patch NG+.

Try to get good before you post here, kiddo.

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>>168855107
Neat, I'm doing my first NG+ run now too. Just got done with the first darkest dungeon mission, currently at 46 weeks. The only two deaths I have are from the starting stagecoach heroes on week three. The vestal got marked down by spiders and died on her first death's door tick thanks to blight, and the plague doctor got killed by the collector since there wasn't anyone to heal her. Also died on her first death's door tick to bleed.

The apprentice and veteran dungeons seemed about the same to me, but I've been having a much harder time doing champion ones. A champion long dungeon in the ruins felt more difficult than DD1.

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>>168856435
Yeah, I'm sure you would've done just as good if you didn't have a man-at-arms, your heroes were starting the quest at half-stress, and your equipment wasn't fully upgraded.

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>>168856664
>The apprentice and veteran dungeons seemed about the same to me, but I've been having a much harder time doing champion ones. A champion long dungeon in the ruins felt more difficult than DD1.
I'd only do Ruins champion dungeons, the others are way harder to do and riskier.

First DD should be easy with Jester - HWM - HM - Vestal like I did before.
I only worry about DD2 and unfortunate crits on templars. Otherwise it would be an easy fight with this setup.

>>168855286
Ehh fair enough with 3 DPS 1 healer I usually end up with more damage than I need to kill all the bandits but I like to make absolute sure. MAA would probably make going through the dungeon leading up to it easier then.

>>168854873
I say usually killing the match dude is better than stunning him. Yeah another will show up next turn but they're usually one-shottable with enough damage (which BH and Hellion have). I usually like having a grave robber or highwayman fighting the cannon just to make sure the match guy dies. The rest of the team can do whatever they need to after that point.

>>168857256
I've only been doing champion runs in the ruins and cove. The biggest threats in the cove are the spearfish and squiffy ghast encounters with a thrall, but overall it's usually a bit easier than the ruins for me. Coral curio alone has been well worth any risk there is in going there, though.

did they change vestel so she can't party heal from pos 1 or was that never a thing?

>>168858917
>I've only been doing champion runs in the ruins and cove. The biggest threats in the cove are the spearfish and squiffy ghast encounters with a thrall, but overall it's usually a bit easier than the ruins for me. Coral curio alone has been well worth any risk there is in going there, though.
Yeah fuck thralls, they can insta-deathdoor the entire party if you fail to kill them (like 2 of them at once). They can also crit like giants from the weald.

>>168859870
she could never party heal from position 1.

Are trinkets in your inventory recoverable through the Shierker or only equipped trinkets?

this general is dead until DLC

>>168862036
I'd much rather have a half dead general with actual discussion, than an active one consisting namefags and waifushitters.

is the Jute Tapestry a new drop or an old one?

>>168862379
also i think the update glitched my game or something because I have town bonuses on some of the dungeons even though the bonus isn't active for the day.

>>168862379
>>168862665
Jute Tapestry is new. The town bonus messages on the map screen don't mean you have the bonus, they mean you'll get it if you do the dungeon.

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>>168850214
>Dismas
>See Dismas
wat

>>168791719
>I could see that work, with all stuns, blights, bleeds self heals and kinda good damage

The whole point of abominations is getting free positive stress-100 buffs, the most trivial one is the first DD and first encounter against 2 passive dudes.
You just spam pass / transform to death until you get all positive afflictions, stress heal if you get negative ones. You can't get penalty stress or reinforcements obviously because there are 2 dudes and they do not attack you.

That's how they cheese it with abominations.

>>168821482
>Trying to keep those fucks alive
Fuck that, finding redemption on the old road is hard enough wthout resetting for a garbage vestal and a garbage doctor.

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>128 weeks in Stygian
>This is the 2nd time he show up
Don't know why it's so rare.This fucker better drop the map cause I'm tired of farming

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>>168867132
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

How the hell do you beat the Shambler before reaching the Hamlet?

>>168867880
You don't

>some illiterate niggers make up their hero tier lists
>it's always something like """hwm is the worst hero in game, jester is following him up"""

No wonder why only 1 or 2% managed to finish this game.

I'm not sure whether I want to keep my occultist. On the one hand, he's got hard noggin and both warren scouting quirks, so he's definitely going to be an asset in pigland. on the other hand, he's at 100 stress after retreating from a mission and I haven't spent any money on him yet, so it's the best time to dismiss him if i'm going to.
Thoughts?

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>>168868292
>Abomination is C tier or lower
Literally

>>168869675
Just use the cheapest destress available and give him a week or two of vacation.

>>168869675
Just heal the stress, you can easily earn tons of money and the lack of a good healer can cause a squad-wipe

>>168820867
how do you lower light in combat