/svg/ Shadowverse General

Who is the biggest slut in shadowverse?

>>168680227
Arisa

>>168680162
Aiela, why are you so shit you little asshole.

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Thanks to everyone who joined the room. It's still open for anyone who still needs to finish that achievement.

Number: 54544

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>>168680227

I want to make Luna pregnant!

>top master is already 81k
Anybody knows what deck he's using?

>>168680227
Luna

>>168680350
dshift

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>>168680123
>>168679842
>>168679779
>>168679632
>>168678786
>Bahamut was a mistake. Control meta is all bahamut + satan now, sometimes add in saha luci too.

>Bahamut, odin, Cocytus, Goblinmount, DoD, saha-luci, sata was such a mistake for deck building and unless they go nuclear, they can't fix it

>Every control deck is turning into neutralcraft now. What ever happened to neutral cards being weaker than class specific cards?

>They fucked up. That said, I suspect treachery in whatever they do to playtest shit with Levi+rune, clarke, sahaquiel, and all the other crazy shit.

There's nothing wrong with Bahamut, Cocytus, Goblin Mount and Saha.
Why do I care about your incredible late game if you still die half way there when I aggro you down?
We literally 10 minutes ago saw a Dragon deck getting fuck up by Daria.
Which also points out that things like Levi + Piercing Rune are perfectly okay since they do counter degenerate control decks.

There's nothing wrong with control decks having good cards, because aggro decks have good cards too so they fight for the duel, wow so freaking incredible right?

Im 100% sure that this general only wants duels with vanilla followers.

>>168680118
Example?

>>168680227
Isab

>tfw no one will ever take forest players seriously again

Can I get a concede?
40993
Thanks.

>>168680350
otk roach

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>Levi doesnt' even have the decency to have 5 attack so I can hit it with Tsubaki

>>168680350
Saha Luci Dragon

>>168680419
We're talking about control vs control meta. Try to read into the context before you give your irrelevant argument.

>>168680429
Failgun

>>168680419
>Heals and wards to stall out aggro virtually every time
>Midrange is dead from everyone's bullshit
>Minimum board clear 3/4 turns to t10 with call of cock forcing them to remove or die while sacrificing their turn and other shit
>Spam baha's, odin's, satan, saha-luci's until it's over, while rendering non-cd amulets you half killd yourself to setup useless, because you already bled them of removal
There's plenty wrong with Neutralverse. We had 7 leaders for a reason. The headroom for deckbuilding is fucked

>>168680458
Hopefully we'll get a lot of Arisa x Roach rage doujins at Comiket.

>>168680350
JO Dragon

>>168680652
>Can't even cost reduce Mentor's teachings so you can bump him to 5 then tsubaki him

>>168680797
>headpatting the enemy
Degenerate.

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>>168680735
>mfw i actually wanted some neutralcraft decks
Memes went too far

>evolve wolf and ram into the 4/6 instead of 6/6
He deserved that Odin

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>not teching 3 odins
I seriously hope you guys...

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>>168680693
>>168680735
>>168680871
Control matches in Magic, Yugioh, HS and in this game have ALWAYS been

>I drop a bomb
>I drop a bomb to react to your bomb, you have a bomb to reach to my bomb?
>I do, here a bomb, do you have a bomb to reach to my bomb?

Until one of the two gets fucked up by draws.
Why you act like if it suddenly it's bad or degenerate because some of the bombs are neutral?

http://www.strawpoll.me/12293083

>>168680350
Royal Banner.

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Holy shit this guy is choking so hard

>>168681007
>Why you act like if it suddenly it's bad or degenerate because some of the bombs are neutral?
Because it means that every deck is the same instead of having their own specific bombs?
Do you understand the argument that you're trying to partake in at all?

This match is awful. If only both players could lose.

>>168681007
I dunno, what's wrong with Piratestone? What on earth could possibly be wrong with the exact same do-everything cards in a neutralcraft deck for everyone with maybe some oracles and a themis sprinkled in? It's far from some and if you weren't a d-rank shitter you'd know that.

Wow this is just plain sad

>>168681124
You're still not explaining yourself why it's bad to see Bahamut vs Bahamut battle or Odin vs Odin.
Because YOU don't like it?

Is not attractive to the viewers to see Bahamut killing shit and being relevant?

>>168681227
>he needs someone to explain to him why 7 decks that are supposed to be different and unique running the exact same cards is bad
I think all hope is already lost for you, bud.

>>168681227
>Is not attractive to the viewers to see Bahamut killing shit and being relevant?
Not when every match comes down to who has the most removal to kill the other bahamut

>>168681121
>Playing a guy in the concede cheevo a couple days back
>Polyphonic's my win con with an olivia to regain tempo for 6 more face if it comes to that
>Emissaries the Olivia instead
>Ramp's completely gimped
>Die
The man who was tricked to death.

>>168681227
If it was a dragon card it'd be okay. If odin was a haven it'd be okay. etc. It's the same shit over and over regardless of what the deck actually is, what leader they are, and they have so many neutral tools now that it's a virtually guaranteed ride out to draw town regardless of either deck. It's sick

>>168681168
Pirates are only used in two classes anon

Only universal card was Loatheb but even then not everyone used it

>>168681227
This is the average Hearthstone player.

>>168681227
A bunch of the noncd amulets are basically unplayable now and will remain that way. there's just too much against it

>>168681426
To be honest I really would love a Loatheb in SV

>>168681426
wasn't it Boom and in standard ragnaros

I pronounce Levi as leave-eye, like Levi Strauss, and Forte as fort-ay.

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I've been working on a new Vampy meme deck and it's surprisingly effective at hunting the dragon decks dominating the ladder.

Don't want to post a list yet but if you start seeing pic related in Aggro Decks, you can thank me for that.

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>>168681168
>>168681124
>WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH I DONT LIKE IT SO ITS DEGENERATE AND A MISTAKE AND THE GAME IS FUCKED UP

I mean, let's look at this from a neutral stand point

>ROB is released, Bahamut, Saha and other neutral cards like Cocytus are ignored and the general cries about Daria being OP
>Several weeks later, general still crying about Daria demanding a nerf
>100% of the general ignored Saha, Bahamut, etc, made fun of Dragoncraft, called control dead and called Saha Ramp a meme deck
>Finally after a few weeks, Saha Ramp catches on because it fucks up several popular decks and does well in tournaments
>People in the general start to netdeck Saha Ramp
>Days later people salty about getting fucked up in ranked and by cherrypicking tournament results start calling Saha, Bahamut and other neutrals "degenerate"

I say that this is more a problem with you guys being fucking babies that can't accept loses and call degenerate everything you lose to.
Be it Daria, Dragon, Haven or whatever else.

I pronounce Levi as "bullshit"

>>168681426
That's because only two classes are played.

So far, all the neutral legendaries see play. It's really impressive to see how they manage to create unique but powerful legendaries without them breaking the meta.

I can't wait to see what powerful legendaries we will get in the next expansion.

>>168681526

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>168681007
>Control
>Yugioh
Since when?

>>168681535

OFFER YOUR LIFE TO ME

>>168681502
delaying the inevitable crimson sorcery and double piercing for 1 turn would be nice for once

>>168681508
Boom was a stable but four "bestz
" decks didnt use it, freeze,aggro,miracle and patron.

Boom was in every control,handlock and midrange but not widely used as azure which was replaced by loatheb when it was in rotation

>>168681617
kys dubcuck

>erasmus says "You won't get past me that easily!"
heh

>>168681614
>tfw you control so hard they don't even get a turn

>>168681543
Holy shit, how can someone be as retarded as you? Do you have ANY READING COMREPEHSNION? AT ALL?
No one fucking says it's degenerate. No one fucking says it was a mistake. No one fucking says they are too strong.
What people are saying that it's boring that EVERY DECK IS RUNNING THE SAME CARDS.
I repeat.
EVERY. DECK. IS. RUNNING. THE. SAME. CARDS.
THAT is the problem. Read this line again you retarded fucking yurotrash. It'd be fine if each deck had their own """nukes""" that were all unique in their own way, but as it stands everyone just has the same Bahamut, Odin and Satan in their decks.

>>168681620
Nah it should be around 6-7 mana lego, so you can use it to delay insane roach combo/dshift if you know its coming

>>168681007
Because every control deck turning into neutralcraft is boring? We're not complaining about how control works, we're complaining about how every control deck will now end up playing the same way because all their "bomb" cards are now the exact same neutral cards.
Try comprehending the conversation before you jump in with your irrelevant arguments.

>>168681620
It'd be nice for control to have a tech choice against Dshift, too. Probably a dead draw against aggro aside from blocking Phantom Howl. It'd be good.

TSUKKOME
TSUKKOME

>>168681638
I even remember some face hunters teching boom back then. The nerfed warsong patron list used it sometimes and some oil rogues. It's a given freeze doesn't use it though.
loatheb only stood out because while it countered freeze and druid combos, it's the one of the few decent 5 cost cards back then

>>168681678
The ONLY tier 1 deck with Odin, Satan and Baha is dragon.

Every other neutralcraft is a meme thats hyped because dragon

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Daily reminder there is another 9PP Rune legendary but it sucks so badly in comparison to the one that can be a 5PP or 4PP or hell, 0PP.

>>168681673
Fuckin Wind-Up bullshit

>>168681759
SUGOI MAHOU

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>turn 3 starts
>see this
wyd?

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>>168681353
>>168681387
>>168681424
>>168681678
>>168681459
>>168681496
Literally all the posts come down to

>"I don't personally like it, so Im gonna call it degenerate and demand the cards to be deleted from the game"

Do you understand how childish you sound?

>EVERY. DECK. IS.
>why 7 decks that

Yeah we clearly have seen several Daria and Roach decks dropping Bahamuts and Odins too! /sarcasm

There's nothing wrong with having amazing Neutral cards making several classes viable at the same time.

If it was a Dragon card or a Haven card, you guys would be screaming "DRAGON IS KEKING ALL OTHER CONTROL DECKS!! CYGAMES WTFFFF" demanding a nerf.

You're just a bunch of hypocrites and I can't take any of you serious because that's exactly what you all sperg about Daria cucking midrange.

>>168681502
>Aggro drops Loatheb on turn 5
>Can't Themis his board to stabilize
>Get steamrolled by his full board and lose
HS design at it's finest.

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>>168681759

>>168681639

JUDGEMENT FOR HERETICS LIKE YOU

>>168681227
>>168681543
>>168681890

To make it clear for you retarded monkeys. The complaint here is that every control deck is starting to become the exact same playstyle because they're starting to use more and more neutral cards.
The early game might be different but evantually devolve into the exact same cards being played so it evantually turns out to be a mirror match with neutral cards no matter what class they're playing in the first place.
That is the complaint. It's boring to watch when both players end up playing the exact same cards and who has more of them wins. Understand this first before you present your arguments.

>>168681906

THIS'LL BE DONE IN A JIFFY

>>168681796
It might be good if they changed it to damage all enemies instead of just followers.

>>168681889
"rune needs daria to win lol"
"it bricks half the time anyway lol"

>>168681994
>all enemies
turn 9 20 damage mythril golem

>>168680419
>>168681007
>>168681543
>>168681890
Remember to report the avatarfag. He's the autistic resident reard who fails comprehension and resorts to strawmans and ad hominem because he can't comprehend the conversations he's replying to in the first place.

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It's amazing how shitposting skyrocket around this time during weekends.

>>168681678
daria and roach are responsible for this, blood can't use their mary finishers because of the aforementioned decks and need to use neutral taunts like goblinmount and heals like lucifer.

as a result they have to play a more attrition based game which is why they play bahamut and it's the same for sword although they can still run their albert finisher.

sun satan wouldn't exist without them and if they didn't exist then you'd see less decks running satan too. even ramp dragon would probably be more storm focused if everyone wasn't running taunts.

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I'm 1 match from doing 20 different private matches come and beat me up, don't concede. Name punching bag (if you already fought me)
95914

>>168681889
If that's not a daria in the hand then you win

>>168681898
No one would play an understatted 5 drop that does no dmg in an aggro dreck. Maybe in shit like tempo forest and daria

>>168682129
except he literally killed me with face damage before I even got to turn 6 to themis him

>>168681767
Eh,true aggro did sometimes use it but it wasnt a must or necessary pick by any means.

Loatheb stood out because it was unremovable, it was a big thing at the time. Hell, its big thing now too, dropping him on the board as a zoo means that they cant coin shit like flamestrike or use lightbombs

Well Freeze did use loatheb, for aggro it was autoinclude unlike boom, oil rogue always had it.

There isnt a single deck archetype barring early murloc decks that didnt use loatheb, it was a popstar compared to dr 7

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>Standard
Santa
>DE
Odin
Olivia
>RoB
Sahaquiel
Bahamut

Alright, can i have some neutral aggro/midrange leggos now? thanks

>>168681930
In a control mirror match where both players share the same bombs, the player that plays better and uses his resources more wisely is the one that comes on top.

This also leads to players being innovative to counter the predictable bombs and metagame, gaining edges over the players that become too comfortable with their deck choises.

If anything, metas like that are better because they create more skilled players.

This always happened in Yugioh with Dragon Rulers, on any MTG control format, etc.
You're just purely ignorant and unexperienced about it.

>>168682152
Just Lion spirit bro

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>misplayed by missing lethal and almost lost
man I should actually math out my plays instead of yoloing them

>>168682170
Gabriel

>>168682101
It's over. Thanks to all anon who helped.

>>168682209
>watching both players play the same cards is interesting
It doesn't matter who plays better when they're both using the same cards with the same effects.
Deck variety is slowly becoming duller when decks starts sharing more of the same cards. That is the complaint, deck building variety. No one is complaining about anything else.

>>168680350
clearly something roach related because he is also the top forest player by wins

>>168682306
Bahamut vs Bahamut is amazing to watch and the only crafts not seeing too much player in tournaments are Blood, Sword and Haven, and all of them still see some play or were protagonic on Darkness Evolved.

Literally again, all your complaints are "I DONT LIKE IT ITS DEGENERATE MOMMYYYYYY WAHHHHH"

>>168680849
i saw it done too to set up tsubaki's fanfare

>dshift in Daria
Yeah I don't see that working that well because Daria deck has cards that only spellboost followers.

>>168682453
You dont understand, its not about Bahamut.
Its about cards being increasingly auto include in certain deck archetypes

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Left or right???
Baha is Baha but is comes with Arthurian Light.

>>168682567
left, Arthurian light is okaysh in T2

>back to rune and forest in tourney

So what's the joy watching these again? All I need is to go ranked and I will see the same shit.

>>168682170
>wanting low pp leggos

we already have some very good aggro/midrange neutral cards and i'm fine with them being bronze and silver (gobu, lyrial, unica, feena etc)

>>168682453
>Literally again, all your complaints are "I DONT LIKE IT ITS DEGENERATE MOMMYYYYYY WAHHHHH"
And again, you have no reading comprehension like the retarded yuroshit ESL monkey that you are.
Literally not one person has been complaining about Bahamuts strength. Your "xd u just dont like it cuz its denegerate xddd" comment makes you look dumber and dumber every time you post it because it just shows your retarded euro brain cannot process a single English sentence.
The complaints for the entire reply chain have been about the staleness of every control deck using the same cards, not about the cards in question being powerful.
If every craft had their own craft-specific Bahamut then there'd literally be no problem.

>>168682453
>Bahamut vs Bahamut is amazing to watch
>player drops bahamut
>opponent drops bahamut
>player drops bahamut
>opponent is out of bahamuts and uses hard removal
Wow. So exciting.
Also that still doesn't change the fact that deck building variety is getting duller the more everyone starts using the exact same neutral cards.
The complain isn't about what class people use. It's that control decks in every class are starting to use more of the same neutral cards and if this keeps goes on, every deck will turn into neutralcraft and no one will need class specific cards anymore.
Like I said earlier, comprehend the complaint first before you present your arguments.

>>168681889
mahou sejo squad!
magic girls on duty to cleanse the evil!

Killing Khawy with Sadistic Night will heal Luna for 6.

Because you know. When a minion gets summoned AFTER that fucker dies, OBVIOUSLY it's the same as being on the board at the same time.

>>168682691
>>168682690
Why is everyone complaining about Bahamut in removalverse? Half the playerbase is control which is stack with removal and the other half is aggro which never deal with Baha.

Only Dragon play Baha because they are a meme

>buy packs
>nothing useful
nice game shadowbabs

What do daria decks do that theyre so hated?

>>168681889
SUGOI MAHOU TAMESHITE MIYOUTO

>>168682849
-> >>168681889

>>168681678
>>168681930
>>168682306
Dragon is the only craft that should run all those Neutralcraft cards to their full potential, because of the Ramp mechanic. The other crafts are trying to copy Ramp Dragon because they lack good finishers in their own crafts, or can't play them without losing hard against Neutralcraft. Those neutral legendaries aren't the problem. The lack of good control class legendaries is the problem. The next expansions will fix this problem, be patient.

- Rune doesn't play neutralcraft besides Earthrite, because the archetype doesn't have finishers. Sun Oracle Pascale is too unreliable.
- Haven has Seraph. Sun Satan is a deck, same shit, lack of finisher since Seraph requires countdown cards to be reliable, so they end up being 2 different decks.
- Control Blood can't reliably use Bloody Mary due to the meta. You can see some DCLaura + Cocytus combo too. Blood has the tools to play Control, but the Neutralcraft package is more reliable than Bloody Mary.
- Control Sword uses Bahamut as a catch-up mechanic, they don't intend to win with him. Albert is the finisher of the deck. No problem here.
- Forest doesn't use Neutralcraft at all. Roach, Silver Bolt, Wolfcoming are the finishers, and they are reliable since they can kill before T10, so they never have to fall back on Neutral finishers.
- Shadow has Nephthys. She's more powerful than neutralcraft and can close games before T10 too, and even cuck Bahamut, so she's preferred. No problem here.

>>168682541
>>168682690
>>168682691
You still literally haven't explained why it's bad that all control decks use the same bombs.
You parrot that it's because it "looks" bad, but Bahamut vs Bahamut looks awesome.
Also I explained that metas like that are better for the more skilled players.

Literally

Once again

The "I don't like it so it's bad" meme

It's all you sperg.

>>168682138
Yes they would if it would guarantee lethal against slower decks, and have you rely less on topdecking burn or storm for lethal. Every class has a board wipe in one form or another, and they all see play. Loatheb was the most hated card by control players pre-LoE.

All this Baha autism is getting my almonds activated.
Anybody got a good Baha control deck? I have two copies of him right now.

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ughh shadowbabs where's the strim?

People complaining about the Baha meta has never ever Hamsa+Laura'd for 13 duck damage directly to face

>>168682835
That's just how Last Word effects work. Whatever spell you cast has to finish its business first, then Khawy's effect will go off.

>>168683000
Their Twitch stream is randomly down and their OpenRec stream is shitting the bed as well.

>>168682847
>>168682918
Except we did. You just can't comprehend it. Do you even understand english? For the last time the complaint is,
Every deck starting to use the same core neutral cards kills deck building variety.
It's about VARIETY. It doesn't matter if each class has their own UNIQUE class "bomb" card. The problem is it's boring when every class uses the exact same "bomb". You lose out on VARIETY.

Literally

Learn

To

Read.

Stop replying if you can't comprehend this.

>>168682835
his spirit soars over the battlefield looking for a victim!

>>168683034
Yeah I get it.

I just want to bitch about it, okay?

Stream's back.

>>168683060
>forest doesn't run baha
>rune doesn't run baha
>shadow doesn't run baha
>only bad csword deck run baha
>only bad haven deck run baha
>The problem is it's boring when every class uses the exact same "bomb". You lose out on VARIETY.


Literally brain damage.

>>168683028
>>168682971
>>168682889
No one is complaining about bahamut specifically. It's that everyone is starting to resort to the neutral control cards to stay relevant in the control meta that is the problem.

>The lack of good control class legendaries is the problem
Baiscally this.

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Rage of Bahamut - Spoilers
>lol deathwing copypasta
>lol ass angel is bad
>Forest with Mahes >>>> all other crafts

Rage of Bahamut - First month
>Daria is OP
>MOM LEVI DID IT AGAIN
>Bahamut? Shit card, LOL GOOD LUCK SURVIVING TILL TURN 10
>Sahaquiel? Shit card, only comboes with Gilgamsh

Rage of Bahamut - Last weeks
>MOM CONTROL IS BULLYING ME
>FUCK BAHAMUT
>FUCK ODIN
>FUCK BAHAMUT
>FUCK ODIN
>MOM LEVI DID IT AGAINNNNNNNNNNNNNN

>>168683060
>Only 2 expansions out so far
>All the crafts don't have powerful and unique finishers so most of them fall back on neutral cards
>The game is dying, it's booooooring
>LOL LEARN TO READ LOL
Please, stop it, you're embarrassing yourself. They will print good cards, give it time.

Is there a way to tell your opponent to fuck off or go fuck yourself you're shit or die in a fucking beehive or some shit. I hope they're really doing this in the next update

>>168683203
Thanks for proving that you fail to comprehend things that were told you to multiple times over.
Try reading the reply chain again until you can understand it.

>>168683229
Nigga I just want to get a deck and play. No need to drag me into your autistic argument

>>168681569
>Without breaking the meta

>>168683275
Literally no one said the game is dying though? People are just complaining about multiple decks starting to use the exact same neutral cards. Don't overexaggerate the argument. It's obvious you can't understand the complaint if you're going to blow it up to this proportion.

>>168683060
Ok let me get this straight. Are you saying that when only
1 version of Blood run Baha as finisher
1 version of Sword run Baha as catch up
1 version of Rune run Baha
and 1 craft that abuse its mechanic is too much?

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>>168681651
>tfw every time he gets DoD'd/Cocytus'd

>>168683232
But honestly fuck Levi.

>>168683229
You have to slow the game down for cards like that to even see play though, the issue is that class cards will have class synergies and neutral legendaries just have generic "good" effects. No one is going to play Rose Queen or Bloody Mary when they die to Daria or Roach on turn 7, they don't have time to get those off unless they're spamming heals or taunts. The generic neutral legendary effects help with healing and clearing the board, which is why they see play when Daria spams board and has insane burn.

It's not rocket science, the control meta is dictated by the top tier decks and having to build around them. So please shut the fuck up and go complain about the actual problem and not a symptom of it.

>>168683232
meanwhile forest continues to be strong as always because people always found something else to waaaah about louder

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>>168683456
>>168683440
>>168683436
>>168683382
>>168683361
>>168683345
>>168683338
>>168683307
>some guy that can't afford 3 Bahamuts, 3 Sahass and 3 Luci on his meme control decks is going full nuclear on the general because other players that use those cards on their decks are killing the game, making it boring and it's all cygames fault

>>168683440
No, you're the one exaggerating. I'll write the same post again without the one word that triggered you, so that you get the message.

>Only 2 expansions out so far <- this is important, read it twice
>All the crafts don't have powerful and unique finishers so most of them fall back on neutral cards (keyword FALL BACK, READ IT)
>The game is booooooring
>LOL LEARN TO READ LOL
THEY WILL PRINT GOOD CARDS, GIVE IT TIME.

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>>168681796
>tfw fire lizard is a worse glint dragon is a worse noxious/deathmist who is a worse glacial dragon who is a worse fafnir who is a worse mythril golem/forest giant, who is a worse bahamut that everyone has who is a target everything odin that kills the opponent if they already already lost their hand to constant cocytus spam

>play private matches for gold
>crack few packs of RoB
>animated Baha

not bad

>>168683456
When the meta control decks all start using the same neutral cards then yes. How many meta control decks do you actually see not running bahamut?
Every control deck you end up playing against in masters has bahamut in their deck and sometimes even satan. More of them are starting to use saha luci as well.

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>WHERE IS MY BLOODCRAFT EXCLUSIVE BAHAMUT

>WHERE IS MY HAVENCRAFT EXCLUSIVE GOBLIN MOUNT DEMON

>WHERE IS SWORDCRAFT EXCLUSIVE LUCIFER

MOOOOMMMMM

>>168683590
>t-they'll print good cards! just wait!
>t-they're only using neutral cards because the game is new!
Meanwhile HS, like 4 or 5 expansions in, has their top decks using neutral followers still.

>>168683709
Sword really need heal cards though. Something like Medic Maid.

>>168683643
Control shadow is Nep shadow
Control sword, I know, some of them do run Baha, but Albert and Fang are their bread and butter
Control Rune is Dshift rune
Forest is roach and bolt
Haven do use Baha, but is splitted with Satan and Seraph

Only Control Blood and Dragon use Baha dominantly, it is at best an addon and accessories for other class.

>>168683731
>HS
>Neutral stuff

No u, only patches and STB

>>168683848
>o-only the most powerful cards!
Yeah, just like Baha, Satan and Saha, huh?

>>168683731
Why are we talking about another game? Because the team of another game made some mistakes, the new games won't learn from them? SV has more class diversity and class identity than HS, even with the neutral legendaries being overused at the moment.

Give it time, anon. Trust.

>>168683551
>strawman argument
>projection
>ad hominem
>avatarfagging
Yep, nice projection.

Except I'm not exaggerating? I know it will improve in time, but the current meta is such. No one is raging over it, it was just mentioned as a simple complaint.

The retards who replied to it with retarded posts like >>168683551 are the ones exaggerating cause they can't accept the fact that someone doesn't agree with them in this thread.

Read the entire reply chain and you can see the ones who blew up the argument in the first place. The original was just a simple complaint that they disliked the trend of the current control meta. That was all.

>>168683921
>Why are we talking about another game
Probably because SV is literally a clone of HS?

>>168683813
Nep doesn't use bahamut for obvious reasons, and there isn't a meta control shadow deck that doesn't use nep.
Control rune is dirtrune not dshift, and dirtrune uses bahamut and lucifer, some of them even run saha.
Forest has no meta control deck.
Haven uses baha and most of them are placing satan into their decks now, even seraph as an alt wincon.

>>168683959
>they are the same genre
>therefore they will make the same mistakes

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The guy "arguing" goes back over and over again to

>MUH HEARTSTONE
>MUH GENERIC PIRATES

Is just a troll guys.... so easy to tell

>>168684071
Who are you quoting?
Merely being the same genre =/= literally being a clone.

>>168683929
Meant to reply to >>168683590 too

Please Help
Need private match win, ID 15988.

>>168684107
Damn, I should install hearthstone again then, I can't believe I missed that evolution orb all this time.

>>168684073
Not the same guy but I don't play hs and I don't like the current control trend meta. I'm not the only one too if you actually read the replies.

Before RoB, most control decks use to run their own class specific wincons/control cards except for some decks using satan. There was better deck building variety back then.

>>168684195
>clone game
>add 1 new feature
>"guys, ids new gaymu :DD"

Feels so good when you beat a D-shitter with a Control deck.

>>168684223
To be honest this game has much more variety compared to curvestone

>>168684121
Done. Thanks for the help.

THE MOON DRIVES ME CRAZY

>>168682170
Gabriel gave you a bit of reach letting you do ~8 from hand with a gabriel and a storm or ~11 from hand with a surviving follower.

As for golds,
Harnessed flame is a pseudo-ward and shadow assassin flame and glass.
Reina, wind god, and athena supporting midrange
Simulacrum lends huge value in decks like forest and dragon who can flood with evolves easily as well as after dropping reina on a board flood class
Lucius is a neutral lion spirit
Urd gives you nerds that dank double storm
Teena helps aggro break goblinmounts

We don't need more shit like Ancient elf that's so raw overpowered that it is and likely will always be an autoinclude. You got a couple aggro and midrange class legos which desu, is how it should be. Neutralcraft is a cancer that kills the game

>>168682245
>Guy plays an alexander to board clear
>Doesn't even check the numbers
>Failed to kill the megalorca by 1hp
>Had an evo point
RIP

>>168684350
>Lucius is a neutral lion spirit
Thankfully he only deals 1 damage. I hope they never print a neutral lion spirit, that card is so powerful. At least Salamander Breath doesn't spawn a 4 atk body on the board.

>>168682567
Light's okay dude. You get a lot of 1pp followers. As a side bonus, this usually results in stuff like admiral, white general and shit letting you hit face for 2-6 damage over and over or chip wards to open the way for your other nerds.

>>168684523
He also hits allies

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>Legendary Wolf combo is appearing a lot in the tournament

Here comes another card that /svg/ will complain about in some days

>>168684217
You act like there is not a variety now. People inflate the number of baha deck by trying to put him in their meme deck like dirtrune or cblood, which is never good.True control deck like shadow and sword don't rely on baha and haven only slightly

>>168682849
* Up to 15 0 cost follower cards in a 40 card deck
* Up to 6 0 cost draw positive draws
* Up to 12 cheap neutral draw cards allowing it to fully utilize its pp on curve, have its spellboosts in hand to keep the combo going and have an

obscene amount of removal allowing you to trade it for unprecedented value and tempo
* Up to 3 0 cost removal
* Up to 3 tutor spellboost pseudo-ward and get 1-4+ spellboosts to your whole hand while surrounded by the board of 0 cost followers resulting in

getting fucked hard no matter what you do be it removal, trade or (trying) to face race
* Dhift hybrid means you're always facing lethal basically the entire game
* Removal cards out the ass so when you drop followers to force him to evolve, you just remove his repeatedly until he can't nut and you're still

sitting on 2-3 if you want to. (you wont but still)
* Has up to 48 burn damage
* Has 11dmg for 4pp
* Numerous board clears which combo with many, many, many other cards allowing them to clear an entire board, fill their own board, and draw ~3-9

cards 3 to 4 times in a row thanks to the power of their draw engine
* Has ~12-18 cards that will get rid of the big bad cannot be targetted boogeyman without even needing to trade followers which you would think

they'd be able to serve their purpose as a counter to rune/dragon but you'd be wrong. Plus it doesn't even matter anyway because rune will out-

burn anyway
* Has the absolute easiest time removing Morde/Khawy/Elana/Seraph/etc. and even a resolve if Ben Brode forbid they're not dead yet

>>168682889
>tfw you atomy more and more morde's onto the field until you got a full board of them
>tfw pale rider ward

>>168684604
There is still a variety, just lesser than what we had pre RoB. That's the complaint.
No one is sperging out about OP bahamut or any of that nonsense which some retards have been strawmanning.
Like the other guy said, the new expansions just have to introduce more class specific control cards, but for the time being, the control meta is a little stale now.
I mean even seraph is starting to run bahamut and sometimes 1 satan despite already having their class specific wincon.

>>168683232
>Spirit cycle
>Dire bond
>Rites
>Harvest festival is still 4pp and ptp forest still didn't give a shit
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>168684564
it appeared in the jcg season finals too

also, did their stream disappwar from twirch?

>>168684564
Stop avatarfagging and projecting.

>>168684686
yeah, but... bricks my man. ;^)

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>tfw you discard just right

>Silver Bolt, Silver Bolt, Silver Bolt
Wow fun game

>>168685045
Tales from begginer rank.

>>168683808
>tfw a blood will never take pity on you and use limil's way on you just to drive home how shit your class is

>>168683921
The entire history of ccg's is a testament to not learning from the past.

>>168685049
Alternative win conditions confuses the HS player

>>168685114
>he thinks hearthstone doesn't have generic muh huge nuke spell OTK cancer

hi guys, shit tier A0 player here. Anytips on how to actually climb up the ranks? If i manage to reach AA my soul can rest in peace. Also how to deal with shitfuck aggrosword players?

>>168684934
It bricks literally 295892589298% of the time! but still has a >80% winrate. Click here to find out about this deck! :^)

>>168685094
Do beginners have enough legendaries to build dragon decks?

This game has even less interaction between players than hearthstone

Rune can just stack their deck full of removal and shit like levi and the lol turn 9 dimension shift gg

>>168685114
Why does everyone mention HS as an insult? Is everyone actually a hsg refugee? I don't play HS btw.

>>168685201
Tech against it or accept that in rock paper scissors you're the scissors
Take more Yurias/Hungering horde/Queen vampire/temptress :^)

>>168685286
Don't forget the seraph rope-a-dope too

>>168685234
Anything's possible depending on what you unpacked. You can easily get 2 baha's then have unpacked 2 dragoons during the starter shit.
If you mean in general, it's a very viable class even on a budget and most of the golds it does want are core across the class.

>raging quitting as soon as roach drops
Damn these tournaments are just like my ladder games :^)

>>168685303
Just good old fashioned fanbase rivalries. It's to be expected.

What's the best aggro shadow list on the market right now? Vials aren't an issue for me but there seem to be many variants to choose from. What have you guys found to be a consistent climbing deck?

Noob here, I cleared cache both in game and in app settings but it still isn't forgetting the account. What do?

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>>168685045
You are very lucky that you barely made it. Most of the time Discard Dragon are not that lucky

>>168685505

The Reaper/Phantom Howl deck is probably the best.

was that guy wearing a fedora

why do ya'll want to climb up so quickly anyways? I see a lot of people asking "what is the best _____ to climb with" all the time, but I haven't had any trouble just slowly ranking up naturally while doing dailies. I mean sure I could probably just netdeck and get to Masters next week, but ranks don't reset anyways so what's the point?

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I tried

>>168685656
Usually you only need to clear the cache in the app settings on your phone. May I suggest you to Uninstall it and just install it again

>>168685505
The old fririn deck is still good. Some people use Mini Goblin instead of Skeleton Knight.

https://shadowverse-portal.com/deck/1.5.5zWm2.5zWm2.5zWm2.63E_G.63E_G.63E_G.63HPo.63HPo.63HPo.63FiQ.68_dc.68_dc.68_dc.63E_6.63E_6.63E_6.6736Y.6736Y.6736Y.6Ay8M.6Ay8M.6Ay8M.63E-0.63E-0.63E-0.63E-A.63E-A.63E-A.61LeE.61LeE.61LeE.63Kaw.63Kaw.63Kaw.659nE.659nE.659nE.63MII.63MII.63MII

>>168685785
I was hoping to avoid having to uninstall install each time since that takes a lot more time

>>168685751
Whats with Santa? How come he immediately counters Odin or Baha?
>Inb4 spoonfeeding
Haven't played a lot since the start of RoB, please no bully
>>168685880
Perhaps it's only this time? Are you using an apple device like a fag?

>>168685956
He doesn't counter. You drop him when there isn't a significant board threat, like after an odin that won't lethal you.

>>168685956
Probably satan
Your apocalypse deck is in play meaning they're in a countdown against it

>>168685746
i thought the same but it's actually misleading how fast you rank up on lower ranks. it'll take longer and longer the higher you get. and starting from A you won get any streak boni either. so might as well start climbing now.

TLDR it takes a while and people want to be efficient. for every loss you have to win more games to climb.

>>168685956
Android, I'm playing on a nvidia shield tablet.

>>168685505
Tyrant ptp is the best one right now.

Why do all people in this cup play forest and rune?

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Alright I'm done, I'm so fucking done. Time to JO and make people hear the dragon's roar. Consider yourself lucky if you meet me on your way climbing.

>>168686192
What's the latest JO dragon list?

>>168686039
>>168686042
Makes sense. Knew it was Satan but didn't think about it that much. Thanks.
>>168686131
Hmmm weird. Try uninstalling, then go do app settings only. If all else fails, you should just play the game and not worry about it

>>168686176
Cause its 2 best decks right now? Some play ramp dragon cause it counters daria and can pla against roach.

>>168686252
There's only one true JO, bro. 3 Amulets. All spells. NO followers.

>>168686176
otk roach has extreme consistency and daria rune is overtuned as fuck giving them obscene value

>>168686192
Meme for me with noxious and deathmist dragons

I wanna see screens of 2 golden dragon''s den, 2 pendants, and a noxious melting their shit while you use serpents force/keen to keep facing.

>>168686289
I tried clear data instead of clear cache and now it seems like it reset properly.

>>168686147

This, but it only works if you include Atomeme for good measure.

>aggro necro in famitsu cup

>Aggro shadow
MADMAN

>>168686368
>no death mist
Maybe for another time, any other memes you want me to try? Has to be cheap tho.

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/SVG/ GIVE LUNA CHAN YOUR ENERGY RIGHT NOW

>>168686583
>>168686595
He's about to win too with Cerberus Phantom Howl.

It's ogre.

>>168686610
Megalorca Simalacrum Seacraft boost Dragon
Ramped grea-hydra boost dragon
Ramped pendant ward flame&Glass dragon

Ramped pendant storm dragon
Overflow board flood disco draw dragon
Polyphonic Ramp
Pheonix roost Ramp
Fluted spire disco flood
JO dragon
JO Deathmist ramp dragon
Discard/JO dragon
Discard dragon
OTK Discard dragon
Midrange boost dragon feat. Zirnitra
Cannot be attacked boost dragon

>>168686662
>dat perfect curve
Too bad he didn't get the reaper.

>>168686704
>tfw you gobu a second reaper

>>168686704
Was basically like back in the old standard days. Didnt even use any of the new cards.

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PLAY AGGRO SHADOW

>>168686643
Perfect win.

why is takuse praying?
He cant 20 to 0 in one turn and you have legal in hand, nerd

If they don't nerf Daria and Roach after this tournament then this game is fucked.

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>shadow and dragon are meta now

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ADVENTURE STATUS: WENT ON

Oh, soulcuck is on the twitch chat of the famitsu stream along with railgun, maybe someone should ask him when he's going to liquify his collection and neck himself.

>Storm Haven and Aggro Necro
Absolute madman.

>Aggro Necro
>Storm Bishop

M A D M A N
A
D
M
A
N

Now he's using storm haven this guy man.

>aggro shadow
>AND
>storm haven
the absolute MAD MAN

>>168686839
They wont. Everybody is going to get timeless witches, timeless witches that summon or last word more timeless witches, wards with heal/draw/damage, more multi-heal/draw/dmg cards, and more wards that make more wards

>Strategem is a gold
Kikegames why!!!!!!

>>168686871
>>168686872
>>168686919
What happened?

Please someone post a nep deck that uses only 2 neps.
Just made the deck and am on a losing streak at AA1.

>Ironwrought fortress isn't a commander
Wasted opportunity

>>168687035
I have an animated stratagem and it takes every fiber of my being not to liquefy it.

FOREST AND RUNE KEKS ETERNALLY BTFO

DUST EM ALL BOYS, SHADOW AND HAVEN TIER 1

>>168686839
i'd like to think they're waiting until the end of the month so they don't fuck with the people climbing masters ladder for rewards.

FREEDOM PROTECTED

FREEDOM
R
E
E
D
O
M

PRAISE

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>>168687193
>>168687189
>>168686919
>>168686879
>>168686872
>>168686871

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IF YOU SEE THIS IMAGE WHILE SCROLLING THE FIRST PAGE

You have been visited by TAKUSUKE OF ABSOLUTE MADNESS

Good luck & sick topdecks will come to you, but ONLY if you post BLESS ME TAKUSUKE on this thread

>brings aggro shadow and storm haven to tourney
>prays because he knows he needs the perfect draw
>gets a perfect aggro shadow draw into cerb howl
>TOP DECKS GARUDAAAAAAAAAAAA
THIS FUCKING GUY MAN

This guy is a fucking topdecking god.

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>dorothy losing to shadow AND haven

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>aggro shadow and storm haven beats a roach and daria shitter

nice

astrologers predict a week of storm haven

>>168687248
he is not the first praying player on famico, i saw a daria player doing the same

also topdecking a lethal in an aggro/tempo deck is pretty common

>>168687245

I was praying along with him for a good topdeck

BLESS ME TAKUSUKE

>>168687245
>>168687256
This is how you play card games. You pray. ONLY DEVOTE BELIEVERS WIN GAMES

>>168687245
I WAS PRAYING FOR A GARUDA OR DEMONIC STRIKE THAT LAST TURN. BLESS ME TAKUSUKE

What kind of hand do I want when playing nep?

>>168687191

I hope you're right....

>being happy about unga bunga go face decks winning
Truly the sign of a shitter.

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>>168687412

>>168687412
The kind you slap yourself with.

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>>168687245
BLESS ME TAKUSUKE

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>>168687430
t. butthurt daria shitter

>If you play an arthurian light with an ironwrought fortress down you get 2 storms immediately
Sicc

>>168687430
You can do shit about unga bunga, Daria of do-everything obscene value and wolf's cumming is cancer

>>168687430
It's just exciting to see non-meta shit winning for a change instead of endless daria/roach shenanigans.

>>168687510
>You can do shit about unga bunga,
You literally can't do anything about it.

>>168686702
Guess I'll try Flame&Glass since they are free.

>>168687550
We have seen a lot of other decks so far.

>>168687556
You let Urias handle them.

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Both decks from the stream in case anyone was curious/wanted to netdeck

>>168680162
Anything else for the meme list?

PtP Forest/Dirt rune/discard Dragon/Blood/Rune/haven
Saha-Luci Neutralcraft Satan Core

Snowman/conjuring force rune
Conjuring dirt rune
Conjuring ptp rune
Dragonbond/Magisa Reina Simalcrum runecraft
Flame&Glass DShift
Dirt Rune
Flame&Glass guardian wall dirt rune
Ambush royal
Ambush Royal feat. Flame&Glass
Cursed general combo royal
Castle Arthur's Resolve Royal
Otomemes tempo royal
Saha Ramp dragon
Ramped pendant storm dragon
Overflow board flood disco draw dragon
Polyphonic Ramp
Pheonix roost Ramp
Fluted spire disco flood
JO dragon
JO Deathmist ramp dragon
Discard/JO dragon
Discard dragon
OTK Discard dragon
Ramped pendant ward flame&Glass dragon
Ramped grea-hydra boost dragon
Midrange boost dragon feat. Zirnitra
Cannot be attacked boost dragon
Megalorca Simalacrum Seacraft boost Dragon
Tyrant Lord Atomemes
Midrange Atomemes
Burial banquet Atomemes
Last word shadowcraft
Phantom Dragon Mid range
Non-Roach combo forest
Tempo Rose queen Forest
Festival control forest
Titania's tempo forest
Titania-Reina Simulacrum tempo forest
Soul Dealer vengeancecraft
Dark General, laura-servant Control Blood
Laura Neutralcraft blood
Moriana Control Blood
Eido-Skullfam Count havencraft
Laelia defense Haven
Sun Satan Haven
Spell immune stat boost Haven
Reina-Simalacrum Neutralcraft
Well-spear boost Neutralcraft

>>168687556
>play a ward
>he cant go face

>play any kind of board clear
>killed his entire momentum

>heal yourself
>literally cucks all the face damage you did

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So close yet so far away unga sword.

>>168687702
>3 moon bun
truly a madman

>>168687702
Wasn't the guy using Mainyu in his Haven deck though? It's not in that decklist.

>>168687702
Those aren't his decks. Those are just example decks for new players. They don't publicize player decks in this tourney.

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>play seraph
>opponent plays odins
>opponent plays seraph
>play odin
>oponent plays satan
>play satan
>win via diss
>get pic related

I seriously hope you guys don't get this mad over a silly video game :^)

>>168687797
attendant in aggro shadow and triple moon bun in storm haven are pretty questionable

>>168687713
>play a ward
too little too late.

>play any kind of board clear
By the time you have board clear the aggro player usually made enough damage to not care about it.

>heal yourself
That doesn't make a difference unless you fill your entire deck with heals.

Aggro is too fast and if you lose against it you literally had no option to win anyway.

HE DID IT AGAIN

>>168687897
anon...

This aggro shadow has already won.

>>168687897
>>168687947
>Aggro players are this fucking retarded
HOLY SHIT

>>168687876
They obviously aren't going to give the most optimized decks as examples.

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>>168687840
>having seraph AND satan in your deck
What the fuck? It actually works or you are just memeing in the shitter brackets?

>>168687703

the fuck? I thought you guys said howl+cerb is a meme combo.

>>168687703
Azael, Servant of darkness + Demon commander laura Blood.
Its a high risk High reward deck.
Still not that viable because only really works in a safe way against slow decks like Sun satan and seraph.

>>168687897
>>168687947
>replay

>>168685645
>tsunfuck
o-oh

>>168688057
Do you have a decklist?

>>168688010
Not him but I've run into people using satan as an alt wincon in seraph. It works because they just spam removal and should be able to drop satan pretty safely. Seraph getting odined is a huge tempo loss in this meta.

>>168686192
how many hours on steam?

i want that storm haven deck

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>>168688010
Well what the fuck do you do when they remove your seraph TWICE?

Or back when dirt rune was prevalent you had absolutely no chance of getting seraph off.

>>168688005
why so

>browsing memes
>alt-tabbed tourney
>It was actually a replay
Shiet

>>168688154
>satan as an alt wincon in seraph
I forgot to mention this is in masters.

>>168688215
Because they're just examples for reference?

>>168687430
guess what T1 netdeck this poster plays /svg/

>>168688238
I always figured Satan was a bullshit card from TT and was surprised people weren't running it more in constructed.

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>>168688143
Works against aggro, daria as all control blood if you dont draw shit.
Ramp dragon, dshift and Roach are your worst enemies and you cant really make blood to survive roaches without just having insane luck.

>dat head nod when he top decked garuda lethal
>probably praising glory be

>>168687245
>THAT GARUDA TOPDECK

>>168688334
>saha ramp

>>168688341
he is commonly run in sun haven (sun satan) and control blood, also ramp dragon too

i think it's his popularity in sun haven made him being included to seraph too

>ctrl + f "http" to check every link in the thread to find the stream
>literally hasnt been posted
>people talking about something without even posting it
thanx

>>168688174
Barely any hours on steam, I mostly play on my phone. But if you want some stats I've played for about 2 months and a half and my wins are at exactly 720 when I reached Master, although I had a week of sandbagging at B rank before I got tired of it.

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>>168688354
>can't beat dshift and roach

Yeah nah.

>>168688341
Because like seraph it doesn't do anything when you drop him when you're getting pressured unless you have an evolve. You have to be in a pretty safe spot to play it but if you do, you will be pretty ahead cause the apoc deck is pretty op.

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Yeah, fuck trying to do my dailies right now.

>>168687775
>>168687876

What's wrong with triple Moon? It's called Storm haven after all.

>>168688472
I find with the low-creature seraph I almost always have an evo to spare, even going first.

>>168688354
Thanks, was curious about the number of calls and lauras.

>Ramp dragon, dshift and Roach
Most control blood lists are like this, aren't they? Nothing new there.

>>168688443
Holy shit how many card games have you played before?

>>168688430
Check the last thread dumbo.

>>168688545
Even if you have an evolve, if you're getting pressured hard, dropping him could lose you the game. That's his downside.

>>168688481
i dont like this picture

>>168688354
>Any wall you try to build gets smashed by illegal immigrant bugs and their cumming wolves

>>168688430
If you weren't stupid you would know how to look up streams by game category on twitch without having to ask anyone.

>>168687702
what's urd good for in haven?

Japanese stream is so comfy, the commentators are so cute when they clap after the matches or when they wave at the end of the stream.

No homo tho

>>168688430
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=video+game+stream+shadowverse

>>168688763
Use her on Storm followers to attack twice in one turn.

>>168688763
More storm damage

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>>168688763
>why is urd in storm deck

>>168688763
double storm face damage