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/gsg/ - Grand Strategy General - Lazy cunt edition

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We don't have an official steam or discord group. If anyone posts in the thread about any "official" or not steam or discord groups, promising MP or not, be sure it's a shitposter group known for organizing raids and shitposting in the thread. They are known for false-flagging.
Report and ignore it.

How fares your empire, /gsg/?

This day in history, February 12th:
1593 – Japanese invasion of Korea: Approximately 3,000 Joseon defenders led by general Kwon Yul successfully repel more than 30,000 Japanese forces in the Siege of Haengju.
1851 – Edward Hargraves announces he has found gold in Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia, starting the Australian gold rushes.
1912 – The Xuantong Emperor, the last Emperor of China, abdicates.
1921 – Bolsheviks launch a revolt in Georgia as a preliminary to the Red Army invasion of Georgia.


>News
CK2 DD38 - Visiting the Cartographer
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/ck2-dev-diary-40-visiting-the-cartographer.998368/

EU4 - 24/01
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/eu4-development-diary-24th-of-january-2017.996110/

>Random Country Picker
http://randomcountry.gbasood.net/

# Archive (mods only)
https://mega.nz/#F!plMxFYTB!sn9MTrvJ0tYjWSHgM8CZow

#Where to get these games
http://hastebin.com/raw/moqugasume

# Mods
>> READ THIS FIRST.
http://pastebin.com/cCdcev76 (embed)

>>[HoI4] - More Music Mod
https://mega.nz/#F!v5wXURpJ!TvoBinBVQWJbaYJsluyoFA

>>[HoI4] - Après Moi, Le Déluge
http://www.moddb.com/mods/apres-moi-le-deluge

>>[CK2] - Anon Music Mod
https://mega.nz/#!PQgxyACD!bpcXXoWI3Pfu_PJ1_sz5D7wKYO2OStEWr_npgpw0B_w

>>[CK2] - After The End
https://github.com/notalbanian/postapoc

>>[V2] - Historical Project Mod 0.3.6.1 - 27/11/2016
http://pastebin.com/66gpxbKk (embed)

>>[V2] - Napoleon's Legacy v0.3.1.7
http://pastebin.com/sN1g69sr (embed)

>>[V2] Alternative Flag Pack V10
http://pastebin.com/PRQH8vcV (embed)

>>[V2]Africa Mod
http://pastebin.com/kyMpRZcQ (embed)

Old Thread >>168164087
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Nicky
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Johan
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usa > russia
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>edition
>wrong date
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>>168255967
White
and
>>168255991
Based
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>>168255876
How do you make these?
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This is not the best thread
but it will do

Now what do I choose for this. Does it matter?
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>>168256246
Source?
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>>168256395
Just keep it in Tehran, I love watching how the province grows up to Tabriz' tier by the end of the game.
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Why does everyone hate me ;_;
I just want to be Groß

>>168256070
I take it it's the lazy edition because they didn't change it
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>>168256463
The modder posted a pastebin with the changelog, can't find it atm
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Well, shit. The war lasted 6 months. Now what do I do?
Unfortunately, I'm now also stuck with millions of niggers.
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>All these CWE games
>Nobody wants to host a CWE MP
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>>168256732
>using V2 for different timeline
kys
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>>168256616

I guess it would be important, if you were worried about people trying to take portions of your empire right? Moving it to Tabriz, would protect it from being capped by the russians. Shiraz a shoreline etc..

But other than that, dont see a point really. Maybe a small flavor effect would be cool.
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New CK2 DD for secret religions
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/ck2-dev-diary-41-secret-religious-cults.999496/
The Jews can plot against you if you convert them, and it's available with update, not dlc

Is anything good going to come from Monks and Mystics?
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what comfy goals?
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>>168256325
Literally just paint.net plus a lot of free time and some motivation. This one took about 45 minutes and was sort of lazy, I could've added New Ireland and some African trade posts/colonies but I decided to just go for the obvious as a full Celtic Union existing in the first place is already a bit surreal. The French one took over one hour and a half, plus 3 relatively quick edits over time IIRC.
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>>168256948
So the Swedes are encouraging us to persecute jews?
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>>168256325
>>168256979
Oh, and I skipped the most important part, I use HPM's province.bmp as a template. You can find it in HPM's map folder.
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Why does the ai always forget to build electric gear factories causing the prices of electric gears to go through the roof? It's almost cheating to build them because you're guaranteed to have massive profits and you can build automobile, telephone and aeroplane factories later guaranteeing that you become rich
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La Plata
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Would anyone be interested in a multiplayer game of HPM?
I can host for the next 4 hours.
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>>168256957
channel islands and quebec
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>>168257647
I can't, I have uni tomorrow morning.
t. 4u
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>>168257647
Sure, I'd be up
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>>168257647
Yeah I can play in 5-10 mins.
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Prove to me these aren't the natural, and therefore best, German borders.
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>>168257664
already done that before, not comfy
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>>168257647
No, host poopmod
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I keep him right? I want to build a railroad to Shanghai this game, recreating the Silk road
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Can someone test this server?
PGSK
72.231.253.219
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>>168256727
Well? Does /gsg/ not have an answer for me?
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>>168258302
Game not found.
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>>168258171
You keep him. The last version of HPM is bugged and the modifier never go away. You have to dl the fix.
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>>168258495
Just reforwarded the ports, is it working?
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>>168255967
Too pure
>>168255996
Factually wrong
>>168256627
Have you thought of improving relations?
>>168257213
Post link?
>>168258069
Subtle
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>>168257647
I join but we play speed 2 and only I play Brazil
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>>168258069
>not seine to urals to danube
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>>168258629
Still game not found.
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>>168258629
Use this to check the ports
http://www.yougetsignal.com/tools/open-ports/

1630-1641 on both networks
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>>168259123
They're blocked, what's wrong with this config?
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HELP
E
L
P
So I've fallen for the Prussia meme and now join everywar to stop it forming, current situation is Brandenburg allied with GB and Gelre. Whilst in Austria allied with Russia, Milan, Bohemia, Denmark.
GB only has 5 provinces for Newfoundland, and like 7 provinces for lousinia,and like 6 for Brazil. My Brazilian colony and Spain is currently BTFO'ing them in Brazil, and I'm quickly capturing their Louisianan colonies. However they just dropped a 30k stack in the 13 colonies, and my highest there is a 20. Should I just try to take as many of their colonies as quickly as possible to white peace them, or should I take troops from Europe to fight there. Not sure about naval superiority so that's why I'm wary. Also might offer up some money, war rep or break an irrelevant alliance once I'm sure they won't give up colonies.
Meanwhile Brandenburg is basically the NGC but without the provinces to form Prussia. And despite myself, Bohemia, Milan, Russia and Denmark fighting Brandenburg we seem to lose every single battle.
TL;DR advice for fighting Brandenburg in Europe and GB in America pls when I have 0 manpower but +20 income
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7 decides.
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>>168259663
release UK
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>>168259663
Release United Kingdom Please
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>>168259663
Release only scotland. Build a wall on the scottish border like the great romans.
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>>168256727
>Eat Belgium and the Netherlands
>Remove gommie
>puppet Britain
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3 decides.
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>>168258512

When do I need to get rid of his modifier?
Do I get an event down the road that tells me he is gone?

Its 1863. Managed to use my couple months of GP to stop Russian intervention in Kokond, reducing their influence to Cordial and discrediting them. Bukkhara also took their cores from them as well leaving them but a small OPM. Bukhara is next on the Persian intervention train. Khiva will have to wait until we can deal with the Russian influence there.

Also, I forgot to show the colonial conflict me and Russia had over the coast. I managed to delay them long enough until Nat-Imp and took it
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>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-38962931
>tfw you're a British nationalist but worship the people that ended your nations monopoly of power
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>>168260202
no way.
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>>168260202
Don't return. Annex all of their Occitanian territory.
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>>168260202
give em the land
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>>168260202
return
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>>168260220

Oh shit. I think the stuff bugged. I will let it play out though, should be interesting.
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Hey lads, has anyone made any addons or anything that simulates mass migration and the rise of the far-right in either NWO or CWE?
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>>168260202
Take france hard and deep
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>>168260202
give back
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>>168260202
Gib land
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>>168259484
Someone bls help
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>>168260202
R E T U R N
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Successfully cucked all the Germans. Today is a good day to be French.
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>>168260781
Halp me first >>168259612
>>168260981
The delegates Donald
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Captured the Bukkharian territory, but Russia centralized Khiva.
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>>168260981
REROLL
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>>168260781
Try making an exception in windows firewall?
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>>168261075

Why did Austria go eastward instead of raping Northern Italy?

God damn it Austria
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>>168261251
Last try.
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>>168261406
Here, let me help you out.
KEK, GIVE ME THE POWER!
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>>168259663
>whales
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>>168261159
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huh. so now gsg is /b/ tier
.
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>>168261557
This general will go the way of the general that shall not be named, soon.
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>>168261292
The fuck you on about?
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>there's a mission to annihilate the jew
based johan
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How to remove Amir Kebabs modifer from my game? Its 1870 and his modifier is about to be broken as fuck.
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Can somebody please host since the other guy seems to be having problems?
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>succession crisis in HRE
>just keep holy warring every time a new ruler comes to power
>do this 4 times in a decade
wew
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>>168263120
>not supporting Cossack rebels and puppeting the resulting Cossack hetmanates
Shit blob
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>>168261805
>M&B broke off
>TW broke off
>a few people calling dubs will break the internet
You're an ass but not a fat one
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>>168263120
dont do it, goy
the venetians are one of the only bastions of republicans and freedom! let the turks reconquer your lands. removal the antisemitic empire of the sodomite hadrian was a blessing in disguise!
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Where to find standalone pirate DLCs for a genuine copy of EUIV? I can only find repacks that bring all or most of the expansions to date.
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>>168261849


What? Look at your pic than look at my post
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>>168263583
Meanwhile I gain the holy war casus beli when getting ready for war and then lose it once I have my reserves ready
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>>168260781
You want a quick rundown on how to fix it?
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>>168263939
https://mega.nz/#F!p1lXgawa!iXykFM2CYVe1VtJys4NJXw
Download all those files then paste in directory, if you get a message from cs.run you've got it right, cheevos sometimes work and sometimes don't work for me on it so be wary
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>>168264145
Thanks mate.
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>>168260202
Return the land or everything will look like shit
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>Watch a few EU4 idea comparison and what not videos
>Start getting reccomended lets plays of them
>Litterly everyone is the guy blobbing like a madman in all directions at max speed with no concern for borders
Why why do people do this I mean ya its EU4 but at least go for reasonable land. No UK should not own a polish strip from Danzig to the black sea what the fuck is wrong with these people.
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>dull AND erudite
Bravo.

I guess it might make sense, just look at Reddit.
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>>168264896
I honestly don't know how you can play UK in EU4 and not have plenty of historically accurate or plausible places to blob. I mean shit, take all of North America, all the west indies, all of india, the middle east, most of Africa, australia, nz.... at that point what more can you want? If you really want to conquer Europe, take France, England used to own land there and fair's fair after the norman invasion.
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>>168263272
I'll have a crack at setting one up then.
Not hosted before though.
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>>168265124
why is wearing beanie
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How do I pirate train simulator dlc?
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>>168264896
>its another "those borders aren't historical" post
Lad, do you really think you'd say the same about historical things, had they not happened?
>what the fuck why is serbia blobbing into slovenia
>what the fuck why is america blobbing into alaska and hawaii
>what the fuck why is russia stretching into fucking north east china

For the example you gave, UK in continental Europe, you do know England blobbed into half of France at one point?
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>>168265124
>reddit
>erudite
>dull
It's literally the opposite. They pretend to know about shit just to appear exciting.
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>>168264896
EU4 is poorly designed.
Pondering to reddit and youtubefags with multiplayer balancing, swedish muslim cock sucking and sjw cancer on top, made it a complete shitpile.
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>>168265184
The video in question.
>All that shit
>No New Zealand
>No Canada
>>168265318
Look me in the fuckin eyes or post number or whatever and tell me that horror show in Eastern europe makes any sense or looks good in anyway.
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>>168265613
>that horror show
Which? You haven't linked the vid, laddo.
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>>168265193
Ok, if someone can try and join 80.5.171.178
checksum PGSK
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Reminder that the United States is rightful British clay
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>>168265613
>When you forget the pic and look dumb
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>>168265719
I assume from no-one joining that it's not working?
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>>168265823
could happen with a good old fashioned personal union with Poland
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>>168265823
Not too bad if he inherited Poland rather that took it through conquest.
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>>168265782
AFPG would be proud
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>>168265719
Can't join yours either.
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>>168266181
I was gonna try, put it up for like 5 minutes and I'll try to connect
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>>168265782
meme/meme
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>>168259123
Make sure to remember this when hosting
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>>168266324
>>168266347
Ok, if try and join again.
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>>168266852
Nope, didn't work, make sure to check every port for both networks
http://www.yougetsignal.com/tools/open-ports/
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It's getting interesting
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>>168268338
>tfw when the finnish western front has pushed to Colombia by 1947
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>>168268338
Muh "democracy"
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>>168267036
I don't think this is going to pick anything up unless you're actually running a server.
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>>168268814
Oh, sorry then, I just thought that might work.

If anyone has actually been able to host before, please host if you can
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>>168264896
What else are you supposed to do in EU4 though.
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>>168269027
Well it may be just me but I always play as very weak nations. The first century is me just building up and becoming strong. After that I take all the land I consider true clay which provided your not a very small nations can be quite alot and still be "reasonable". Then I cut down my rivals make a few custom marches in land I dont want. I rarely play past 1700 though.
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>>168268514

Eastern front is doing fine also
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I'm giving this one last try guys

PGSK

72.231.253.219
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>>168268879
Ok I've changed some settings, if you try 80.5.171.178 one last time I really can't think of any other reason why it wouldn't work.
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>>168269468
THIS ONE WORKS
Get in here
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>>168269468
>>168269459
Move to this one, this one works (Not sure if yours works, but this one works for sure)
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Multibenis, get in here

80.5.171.178

>80.5.171.178

80.5.171.178
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>>168269762
Are you saying that the top or bottom one works?
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>>168270086
>>168269954
This one works
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*ragequit*
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>>168268338
>>168269408

I started from here a few weeks (two years) ago. A poster here commented would put my chances of going fascist and taking on allies at this point at exactly zero unless I couped USA. Didn't need the coup to win but it was a good idea so thanks.
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>>168270409
This still isn't the right site, friend.
>>>/r/paradoxplaza
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>finally have a mp server
>no one joins
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>>168270805
>he fell for the steamcordplaza memes
Lad, they frequently come here and spam "som1 host", it doesn't mean anything, you're supposed to ignore it.
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>>168270805
no one ever joins. the age of spontaneous /gsg/ MPs is dead
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>>168270513

It was a total of 11 fronts at once. Well, good night.
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>>168271025
Fuck off.
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I think what I hate most about EUIV is how fucking useless the Carribean and how impactless privateering and pirates are.


i just want a more expanded carribean for fucks sake, every single paradox game makes 5 rabbit shits in the carribean ocean and calls it a day
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>>168271434
They're irrelevant as fuck, though. I bet you can't even name the islands east of Puerto Rico and their location without gogoling it.
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>>168271434
what?

Caribbean is a fucking gold mine for anyone who can get a significant hold of it
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>>168271547
St. Thomas, St. Croix, St. John, Antiqua, St. Vincent, St. Kitts, Tortola just to name a few


t. pirate autist
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>>168271091
fuck off laddo, goy4 is much more of a gsg then liquoria 2
go back to 2007 you autistic grossgermanium liquor building sped
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>>168271434
Just go play Sid Meier's Pirates! again.
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>>168271727
Literally just play a pirate game.
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>>168271434
all trade from new world passes through carribean before going back to europe, it is very important for trade. If you can get a good hold on trade their you get steer much more gold home. It also tends to have higher quality trade goods which are worth more
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»168271803
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>>168271434
>tfw navies could be so much more impactful if the AI even bothered to pirate trade nodes, since you would be forced to protect your trade other than just spamming one gorillion trade ships
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>>168271806
Now there is a proper Grand Strategy Game!
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>>168271974
just because of the dancing mini game alone this game belongs here


it's true grand strat
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>>168271941
The provinces themselves are better as well, most of the Caribbean islands are like 9-10 development.
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UPDATE NIGGER MOD PLEASE

WHERE IS NIGGER MOD (the person) ANYWAY?
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>>168272291
He is studying in China with AFPG, HPM and Liangmod Guy.
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Official Grand Strategy List:
All sid meier's games
football manager
loli sim
ricky
liquoria
distant worlds
victoria vn
ck2
EvW
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First time ever playing EU4 after like 600 hours of CK2, is this just a bad game? I feel like I'm being railroaded hardcore into doing the same shit that the AI would do. Also what the FUCK is up with the pathing in this game?
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>>168272670
>loli sim
Which one?
Also you forgot KoDP.
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>>168272670
what about chrome offline dinosaur game
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>>168272670
>loli sim
What?

>All sid meier's games
pls no, 4xg is dying already
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>>168272826
What is this? Does it have pops?
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>>168272943
Yes
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>>168271091

I feel stupid for giving you an answer and therefore making you get your gratification for being so fucking elitist. Go kill yourself.
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>>168272746
>>168272867
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/search/text/loli%20sim/page/

>>168272746
>Also you forgot KoDP.
I am only man sorry lad
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>>168256627
Are you playing on iron man?

What was your strategy? Noob here.
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>>168272993
>it's "elitest" to dislike casulised cash cow games mass marketed towards imbeciles who like flashy graphics and simple mechanics
Yeah, fuck off back where you belong, lad.
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r8 my empire
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>>168272670
>no Life is Strange
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>>168273436
><9001
an hero m8
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>>168273518
>><
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>>168265124
Finland life isn't that fun
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Where the FUCK do I go from here, and what the living fuck am I supposed to do.

I had no idea I was gonna get Jerusalem but Daddy Jesus gave it to me.

What the fuck am I supposed to do.
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>>168273518
haha OVER NINE THOUSAND!

in case anyone didn't get the hilarious reference:
https://youtu.be/SiMHTK15Pik
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>>168273648
try uninstalling
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>>168273704
Now this comment is still funny.
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>>168274091
No, it isn't. You are wrong.
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>>168265124
What's that portrait model mod?
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>>168274132
try uninstalling your life next time
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>>168274187
http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/52168
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>>168274294
Ahh yes...
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>>168274265
try uninstalling your scents of humor next time
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>>168274412
try uninstalling your english skills next time
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>>168271434
Caribbean ain't useless and privateering and pirating is good in multiplayer where the AI isn't shite.
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rip /gsg/ 1998-2016
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>>168273436
gross
post liquor factories
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>>168274812
>1998
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>when it accidentially becomes a great war

At least I seized Iraq! If I am forced to Capitulate, it will be Fascism time.
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>>168274491
try uninstalling your ability to add a space before a spoiler tag next time
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>>168275059
post liquor factories
>>168275068
can you retards stop shitposting useless rants, you are both autsitic manchildren get over it
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>>168275020
congratulations you noticed an obvious joke
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>>168275168
>post liquor factories
>can you retards stop shitposting

>>168275059
Those borders are cancer, take more of the Levant.
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>can't accept Bulgarians and Armenians as the Ottomans
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>>168275168
>you are both autsitic manchildren get over it
>post liquor factories
NICE ONE LAD
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>>168275252
>stating something objectively false is a joke, in your view
haha grass is orange amirite /b/ro!!?!?=_==_==_==_=
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>>168275168
>retards
>autsitic

>single sentence posts
>rants
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>>168275340
>cant accept jews as Nazi Germany
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Best Persian borders, prove me wrong.
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>>168275391
I never said I thought it was funny. What defines it as a joke is the intention of the Creator.
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>>168275262

I just finished getting my economy on track. Started spamming land techs. I managed to hold off france and seized Iraq, like I said. BUT. Fucking russians, "my allies" joined a war the turks declared on me. The next month they accepted a surrender treaty. I WILL BECOME GREAT AND TAKE OVER RUSSIA FOR THEIR INSOLENCE
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>>168275529

I already said, by the end of this game, I will have a railroad from Tabriz to Shanghai creating a nusilkroad.
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>>168275529
10/10
u are a good lad
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Am I doing something wrong or is Victoria 2 basically unplayable because Jacobin rebels pop up every 2 years?
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>>168275835
>playing vanilla
>expecting the game to work just fine
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>>168275835
What version are you playing?
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>>168275835
Just save and reload any time anything mildly inconvenient shows up. You'll be impressing /gsg/ and girls with groß Ecuadors in no time.
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>>168275340
>Bulgarians are Ottomans
God bless M&T
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How do I break up the Bohemians? Also
>Pomeranian-formed Habsburg Prussia
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>>168275529
>over 60 million people
muh dick
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>>168276079
>cromwell owns ireland
>hussites rule east europe
Best timeline.
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>>168275835
playing with HIP.
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>>168276173
>pops will be removed, or even worse """"""""""streamlined"""""""""" in V3 to attract casuals
it hurts lads
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>>168275529
>British Chad
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>>168276007
>>168275960
playing with HIP, sorry.
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Better start revving up them fascists

I really need a bigger military.
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>>168276348
>liquor will be removed, or even worse """"""""""streamlined"""""""""" in V3 to attract casuals
it feels good lads, lqiuoria 2 is a shit game
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>>168276849
Did we ever determine whether it was steamgroup autists or redditors still spamming this meme last night? It's a tough call because it requires a retard and they're both retarded as all hell.
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>>168276348
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Austria Hungary finally reaches a breaking point, after we refused their outrageous demands they now seek to destroy us.

How fucked am I?
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>>168277000
trips confirm :(
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How do I play HoI3? Just went through the tutorial and I don't feel like I learned anything
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>>168276849
>streamlined
For Me, this was the tip-off that You're a moron.
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>>168277313
Streamlined is the term casuals use to mean simplified, but they mean it as a positive.
Example: OoB was "streamlined" in HoI4, sliders were "streamlined" in EU4.
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>>168276939
its not steamgruppe lad, and if anything leddit is liquoria safehaven, pretty sure it is the most popular game on paradoxplaza not that i would know because i have never been on that website in my life and a friend told me that it was called that.
Dont just use "uh shit meme spammers fuck yiu uhhh" as a defence for the valid critism of ur shittier outdated game. It has so many half completed and dogshit mechanics that could make it great, but at the end of the day it is just a liquor factory building france allying shitshow of a gsg that really shows its age
>>>/leddit/
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First shots of World War 1, Austria-Hungary has been standing around doing nothing, I'm surprised they actually started attacking.
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>>168277740
Fuck, forgot pic
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>>168275960

But /gsg/ says vicky 2 is the best

How can it be the best when its a broken mess?
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>>168278120
>>168275960
srsly though, why am I getting so many rebel pops when im playing HIP?
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>>168263953
Not my pic but where the fuck is Austria "going east"?
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>>168278348

Cause the game is inherently broken
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first eu4 game i've finished. venice -> italy.
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>>168278729
Why starting as Venice?
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Wtf
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>>168278729
ANOTHER shitty Italy blob
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I feel like I'm fucking terrible at industrializing in Vicky2, despite having logged a ton of hours in it. I know the more intermediate shit - Laissez Faire is king once you get enough capitalists, Liquor out the ass, late game factories are fantastic, etc.
Any other general tips?
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How do I convert to my liege's religion?
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>>168279757
If you shift-click the expand factory button it will automatically expand all factories near full employment.
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yeehaw
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>>168279882
This is a feature!
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>occupy all of India
>zero war score
>Not even 1! to add CBs.
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An army of the Polish make a cross Siberian trek, penetrate the Tibetan mountains, and begin to learn from the masters of squatting for PinL efficiency squats.
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>>168275059
just defend in the caucus. you'll be fine.
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>>168280929
You have to occupy land they care about
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>>168281324

Lost that war. The KUKs invaded me through Central Asia after they occupied Siberia, and the French went through the Caucasus. Didn have the military then, was just building up.
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>>168282092
how are you doing now?
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>>168282181

You will see in a moment.

>>168282000

Think this will do?
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So if I wanted to meme it up and do a game where I just blob into anywhere inhabited mainly by Germanic peoples historically or in the present, would I need to take anything beyond the below?

Holy Roman Empire
Scandinavia (including Iceland)
England, and thus Great Britain as a whole because fuck letting those Scots and Irish on my island
Netherlands/Belgium/Luxembourg/Frisia/Low Countries
Normandy
Bits of Polan to aesthetics
Bits of France to aesthetics/taste

I know you could make arguments for Burgundy, West Francia, and Aquitaine, more or less, but they long abandoned their Germanic roots desu.
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>>168275529
Iraq, Syria, and Jerusalem are all rightful Persian clay.
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[SCREAMS INTERNALLY]
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>>168282590
Theyve been doing that every game to me.
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Remember: Always slaughter Turks.
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This is a pretty groB HRE
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>>168278729
Is this a multiplayer game or some shit?

>Mega Prussia
>Mega Riga
>Kiev exists and has more than a few provinces
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>>168275529
Is Iran the greatest white country of 2017?
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>>168283561
>Islamic pariah state
no
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>>168276079
What mod is this?
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>>168283708
Third Odyssey: Back to The Motherland
Basically You play as Byzantium and flee into the new world, you can be hellenic or orthodox and bring more people or more usefull shit (like Greek fire) and then you colonize all over the place and eventually you take back constantinople from the t*rk
There's also vikings and albanians
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>>168265726
Our nations should reunite DESU. British Empire 2.0 would be pretty strong.

Or the USA could just join the Commonwealth of Nations.
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>>168284067
US is too proud to do it unless it gets to be the big dick in charge, so commonwealth is pretty unlikely.
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>>168284067

Both the U.S and the bongers are cucked beyond repair. Politics have gone their course, and its unlikely to result in anything good.
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>>168282482
The entire world, you fool.
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>>168283641
Name one better white nation then.
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>>168279182
no particular reason

>>168279558
fag

>>168283554
no, it seems like it. ai formed prussia, egypt, the united states. pretty interdasting game.
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>>168265726
>>168284067
TORIES OUT!!!
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>>168284320
Anything is better than Islam, even Sweden desu.
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>>168282482
Wait, why England?
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So should I pick up this edu tech first or wait another 400 years to get the university tech one?
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>>168285213
>Sweden
>not islam
pick one
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>>168285526
Not yet friend. They still have ten years.
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>>168255894
uesugi kenshin was raped to death after i defeated her uncle? what happened? wiki says that you're supposed to save and recruit her.
>>
alright serious need guidance

event to claim saxony war triggered when i had a huge defensive pact against me

these heathens have pretty much every relevant pagan and even a muslim in on this shit

now if i surrender ill be over -200 gold

if i go straight for saxon capital can i get a white peace?
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>>168285451
University is objectively better
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>>168285451

Always the University one. 50% more RP's is godlike. Military techs can be okay too.

>>168285642

When you get a messenger offering surrender you are supposed to kill the messenger then defeat the Ussegi within 2-3 turns to avoid her being punished. They are very easy to take over anyways, since you only need to take over Sado which you can use Rance tactically to avoid fighting any actual hard battles.

Shit actually, anyone interested in some Rance? Im doing a paper right now, but I could post some from my current campaign.
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MEIOU AND TAXES 2 WHEN????????????
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Lucky nations modifiers are bullshit and should be nerfed
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>>168285642
Is this Sengoku Rance? Where can I get it?
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>>168286013
>2-3 turns
oh... thanks buddy. it took me way more time since i was fighting a war of attrition.

but since only sado is enough, i think i can do it.
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>>168286329
piratebay, or see the pastebin at /rancegeneral/
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>>168286329
sukebei.nyaa.se
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>>168286584
>>168261918 this one?
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>>168286373

Essentially this is what happens fighting them
>You start attacking their western province
>If you can, you blitz the two smaller outposts with small forces
>you only need to get past 50% score to win
>Last one is always defended by Kenshin, send rance for insta win
>Let them take back some territories there if need be
>next turn take a province in their eastern area
>Night battle happens
>Ignore them for a bit, make sure they dont take back a province
>Once you get the messenger, kill him
>Siege them down easy since they lost their best commanders

After Kenshin and her buttslut are gone, you only have to deal with Toraka and the other named girl that they will still have which have huge unit pools. (>1k) but they are easy to deal with.

>>168286705

Its actually amazingly fun and tactical since you can start with extra bonuses and planning your conquests out.
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>>168286861
is it very lewd?
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>>168286861
not him but are 5D and VI worth playing and do I have to have played the other ones
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>>168286925

Yes, and funny,

>>168286967

Not sure.
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>tfw you were the first to find and post the Sengoku Rance image and now people are playing it and posting about it
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Post rance freely. It is closer to /gsg/ than hoi4 will ever be.
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State of my rance game right now
Started with Honjou and Mouri house bonus.
Shooting for Takeda blitz so I can get their house bonus next game, as well as doing Kenshins route this game.

I actually had a question, how to do things with absurdly high search events? Like 45, and I have seen one at 50?
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>>168288463
i also didn't know, so i looked it up. and they stack.

for example, a 30-skill event. just put two 3-skill retainers at it. next turn, it's going to need 24-skill. keep going until it's done!
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>>168288463
This level of shitposting takes a lot of commitment.
>>
In Vicky 2 if an unit has 100% support and 3 attack it means that it will deal 6 damage to the enemy units or just 3?
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>>168288802

What, really?
HOW DID I NOT KNOW THIS.
HOW DID YOU FIND THIS?

Shiiiit, I could have beat the Takeda blitz last game then. Had put it off since I didn't have the high search for it.

Anyways state of this game currently
>Can't break the Tokugawa base
>currently waiting for them to attack so I can seize commanders
>Thinking about expanding the conflict with the Miko institute
>Idol slut has a popularity staff, in 10 turns or so she can become a permit commander

>>168289010
If in the back (those units auto move to the back if at all possible) it will boost the unit in front of its attack by 3.
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>>168289010
3
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>>168289127
i found it at 2 faqs from different sources, so it's probably true.

since you obviously know more than me, what's up with the racoons and ghosts? they seem harmless. do i need to attack them?
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>>168289316
Racoons are great commanders to take and they are a medium power that you can attack early on. After beating them you get either Tokugawa, a decent warrior (though you will have a ton of them), or you will get Senhime an amazing footsoldier. But she is annoying and has to be used carefully until you character clear her. But there's a couple of ways to character clear her.

Ghosts.. You talking about the Haniwa?
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>>168289127
>>168289165
Thanks, lads
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>>168289457
yes, those little fucks. i find them adorable.

>character clear
i don't know what this means.
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>>168289612
>>168289457
Okay laddies, fuck off.
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>>168289472

Support units dont look on paper to be amazing, but what they do is make the infantry in the front line better at their job, which saves more lives since your artillery dont take damage during that time. Also when you are deciding on pops to use, if you can you want to use non-accepted pops as frontline soldiers and hussars. Save your primary pops for the backline because they will stay alive more while the shitskins die.

>>168289457

A very easy power to knock over that gives +5 sat bonus that give a decent amount of national power. If you let their events go through all the way, aside from being hilarious, they also allow you to recruit an okay warrior for three action fans. She has a high level, but is slow and only has 3 actions.

Character clearing are essentially event chains where you explore the character. When theres a purple icon next to a character it means there is a non-generic event for the character waiting. For some characters, doing their event chain is the only way to rank them up to higher trust levels to gain bonus abilities. Also character clearing boosts your pts for next game by 2 per character, and when you boost their trust you can for most of the roster choose end-game points that will boost your end game score further by 2 if you beat them game with them in your roster.
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saxons cant keep getting away with this
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dios mio
it never ends
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>>168289991
With what?
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>>168290236
>18.1% literacy
The problem is you're educating them. That's not going to help you keep a nation of reactionaries.
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>>168290247
pulling men out of their ass and their vassals asses

making me take event claim that triggered apocalyptic defensive pact

i should be shedding the blood of the saxon men
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>>168290345

You can keep a mostly reactionary country with suppression and passing unrelated reforms like Trade uniions to boost dem programs.
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>>168290247
>>168290505
oh and they forced my hand into surrendering just before i was going to burn down their christmas tree
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>>168290236

You need to take steps to reduce your militancy down to 2-3 so you stop getting mass rebellions. Whatcha using your infamy on? Have you been cock blocking the US influence in South America?
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>>168290573
>You can keep a mostly reactionary country passing reforms like Trade uniions
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>>168286967
VI is worth playing but is a JRPG.

Kichikuou Rance is my favourite though

>>168286329
>>168286584
Rance General
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>>168290779
Fuck off.
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>>168290702
I don't know how I'd be able to do that besides putting education spending low, I don't want to be a shithole

infamy has been spent on puppeting greece and freeing all their cores, as well as blobbing into portugal. I've got colombia sphered, I'm scared to sphere mexico yet because the US has not manifest destiny'd them yet and I highly doubt I could beat the US to let mexico refute manifest destiny
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>>168290745

Well alright, yeah never mind fuck that. Slavery is aids on promotion even in non-slave states. You have to get rid of that to even have a chance of passively increasing your soldier population without using NF.

>>168290990

Hmm. Decent use of infamy. Better than what I used my infamy on before the satellite events kicked off. desu, I would have just satellited Portugal. But I think you were trying to annex all their colonies at once or something?

Definitely let Mexico go. Since the events that prompt you and give you a satellite cb also reduce your influence so you no longer are their sphere leader yes sphering them all is a good option. You'll want to make sure as well that you reduce US influence below Friendly so they cannot intervene. Brazil is a good puppet target as well, you can use them to fight your wars for you in South America.
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>>168291273
Why does slavery effect promotion in non slave states?
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>>168291407

Not sure but it is crippling. Even freedom of the womb doesn't seem to make a difference enough.
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>>168291407
Because of hidden modifiers that the slavery brings to your country. It slows down POPs promotion and most importantly it slows down slightly your industrialization rate
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>>168291273
>events to puppet

wait what's this about?
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>>168291601
>>168291582
Industrialization makes sense but why promotion? I don't see how slaves would effect social migration of other pops.
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>>168291660

In the 60's-70s after some shitposting over a cave and bats if Peru does not apologize and allow you all the guano by right you get an event to puppet all the former Spanish colonies in south America. ALL OF THEM. For 3 infamy. With a ten year duration CB.

Yes the US can intervene, but if you have been managing your influence you can essentially block them from being able to ever intervene in the conflict since they can petetition the U.S for assistance which boots their influence, but they still need to reach Friendly before they can intervene.

>Reduce their influence down to Neutral
>Ban their embassy
>Launch your war
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>>168291950
>using 4chan terms for real life conflicts
Describe the Falklands war.
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>>168291950
>you get an event to puppet all the former Spanish colonies in south America. ALL OF THEM. For 3 infamy. With a ten year duration CB.
what the fuck hpm
>france integrating the walloons is out of the question but spain going grande is justified
>>
>>168292087

Perfidious Albion strikes again leaving a nation of brown people (not white) cucked and in disrepair that they can only respond by posting the immigrants living in Buenos Aires as representative of their dangerously swarthy and unreliable native population.

>>168292187

Technically those were states in revolt not even a decade before the game began. HPM is actually very reserved since the dynastic line that the Carlists use would be the same line that would inherit bourbon France.
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>>168291950
wait but like, this just comes up automatically?
what if I'm not a monarchy anymore? there's a 40k ancap revolt in madrid right now and I'm seriouly considering just letting them win, I'll still stay carlist spain technically as far as the tag goes, which means I get the cooler looking fascist flag later on.
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>>168292440
>HPM is actually very reserved since the dynastic line that the Carlists use would be the same line that would inherit bourbon France.
When I told him about that he called me a raging faggot that should just play CKII.
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>>168292440
Is the puppet SA thing only for the carlists?
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>>168292985
Well he's fucking right
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>>168293135
f-fuck you!
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Playing CK2 and Charlemagne has already got GG'd barely 2 years into the game.
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>>168293097
Just go to SPAFlavor.txt and search "talambo" to see the conditions.
>>
post eu4's
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>>168293245
I didn't even notice that Karloman is dead too.

RIP HRE
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>>168292620

Pretty sure if you lose the monarchy you swap tags to republican Spain through one of the Christenos events. Spain in general is pretty cucked since they will lose Catalan/Basque as accepted cultures if you want to put an end to the Christenos spam.

You probably want to restart and try everything over again and maybe choose some better techs? The factory improvement line is less important than pop growth, navel base size, RPs, NF, and literacy improving techs since you need 30% literacy for your craftsmen to auto promote at a decent rate without spamming NF on it.

>>168293097
Yes.
>>168293135
Because his chinese girlfriend ran off with a big strong basque man with a huge cock he doesn't want to make spain fun. That's why Christenos spam still exists, and there is no dynastic dispute issues between Spain and France. Albion and the Germans ganging up to stop the union AGAIN would have made for a truely kino sequel to the first installment.
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This was way easier than I thought it would be.
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How can I best go about taking territory this from France?
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>>168293535
The power of Jah makes all things possible.
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>>168293781
Ally Prussia, join them when they fight France over A-L and try to occupy a bit of French territory so you can add it as a wargoal.
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>>168293781
Wait for the Führermana to kick in and then invade
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>>168294037
Indeed
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>>168293781

>Being Belgium
>When you can be the superior Netherlands (Complete)
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>>168293245
>uses 'gg' in 2017
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>>168282482
Is this what people mean when they say gross germiums? Blobbing everything?
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>>168294729
gross germaniums is a state of mind where you delusionally idolise germany so much you think it's acceptable to spam my general with pictures of it and not get bullied
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>>168294729
Yes, basically.
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>>168273472
Unironically Life is Strange is more of a GS game than EU4.
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>join protestant league
>lage has more members and could win the war
>ai never declares it
>HRE defaults to Catholic and the head of the league loses their rights as an elector
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>>168275835
Yeah. Make yourself a modifier that removes militancy and consciousness. It's not that rebels are hard, you're just shit. Rebels are actually easy to deal with but annoying as fuck and don't do anything to gameplay. It's the worst mechanic of Vicky II.
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Why isn't there a grand strategy game involving 'England' in the time of King Arthur?
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>>168282482
Portugal is GERMANIC! Muh Suebi heritage!
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>>168295515
Because there's about as much historical knowledge about King Arthur as there is about Spider-Man.
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>>168295857
>He thinks grand strategy games have to be historical.
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>>168294450
>Being Protestant
When you can be the superior Catholic (Complete)
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Just won a hard-fought war to force the Commonwealth under me in a personal union in an EU4 ironman game. Not two months later my ruler dies and they break out of the personal union.

Somebody kill me
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well that's interesting
I'll just say this is don carlos understanding he needs to appease some people or deal with more hell revolts
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>>168273252
>being a noob
>bothering to ask
Fine fuck it, wait for a start in which The Faggots attack Albania first when they're allied to Hungary, ally them after they declare war.
That's the easiest way a "noob" can beat them.
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>>168296838

Id rather be king of some islander niggers, than king of BLACKED

But Netherland is great aside from a low population so any African colonies have to be carefully selected for RGOs you need since you cant push that many pops overseas.
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I'm playing EU4 after not playing for a long time, I just wanted to have a relaxing blob and listen to podcasts, why is it so tedious now? Having every new core rebel regardless of anything (+3 stability, accepted culture, +51 prestige etc.) makes large expansions frustrating and the new tech system shuts off the entire world bar Europe and throws a wrench in mana management and your economy, especially if you're a large nation and have colonies in Africa.
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>>168298141
Litterly all of your problems were made easier now especially the playing out of europe. Just about every game now has dumbass shit like Mali being top in tech while UK fails and eastern europe being as far behind as benin in tech in 1550. Relook at the mechanics bro.
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>>168293781
le picardie face
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if I get caught now I think I'm still good
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>>168298580

Is that with them having their colonies?
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>>168298897
yeah, I guess it's something in the latest hpm. you don't have to take a country's colonies to annex it

can anyone think of a historical or just generally good justification for adding portuguese as accepted after maybe like 1880 or so after some techs
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my charlemagne died at 52 with good traits and a health bonus focus

now im a 1 year old and ive lost paris/kingdom of west francia

oh and my claim on saxony isnt working now

i hate paradox
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>>168298998
make some events for portuguese riots due to them being mistreated as 2nd class citizens.

go for Pink Map
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They're invading through france, I didn't think about that

aaaaaaaAAAA why is spain so low pop
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>>168299101
At that point why not just restart the campaign, it's not like you've invested much.
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>>168299205
ive already done these first few hours of charlemagne multiple times :(
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>>168299380
Considering you can easily form the HRE playing as meme dynasty within 20 years of start, It's really not a big deal. Play Mali instead and form Scandinavia YES!
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Mission accomplished i guess.
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Unfortunately they did not fall for the attack into the dug in mountain fort meme
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>>168299465
>FETISH
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>>168299118

Due to wars for centuries and the pains of colonization depopulation.
Restart, get rid of slavery and your pops will promote on their own again so you can have soldiers without using NF on them. You can also spend your great power influence to keep Colgate, Anglo, and drops from allying them.

Portugal never maintains secondary power status very well so it always fails in Africa on its own.
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boy oh boy I sure do love rebellions

>>168299586
Is this about that slave demographics country modifier hpm has? surely that doesn't affect anything else than slaves, right? why would hpm meme me this hard
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>>168299438
i form it in like 10

its this gay shit like magne dieing at least 20 years too early and my wife not shitting out a son until the year before i die that gets to me
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>>168299796

It affects global promo chances. It essentially nullifies the effect of the slider on promotion chances. You will almost never get to recruit new soldiers until you get rid of slavery.

Yes the effects of slavery are that shit. Austrians have the same issue from serfdom. Freedom of the womb may make it better, but having slavery or serfdom is playing the game on hard mode.
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>>168299832
Would it fit?
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>>168297843
Have you tried Copt Byzantium? I find Orthodox to be the worst faith in EU4.
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>>168299465
Yet another institution tied to religion.
Gay.
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>>168299796

>playing Rebelist Spain
>hasn't prepared himself for endless Rebelist Wars.

you really ought to just go full infamy and reclaim your old empire.
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One guy at my workplace looks exactly like podcat, what do I do?
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>>168300060
Only one way to find out.
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toothpaste is occupying the phillipines but they aren't making any progress on this front

why is 19th century spain so bad
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>>168300376
>why is 19th century spain so bad
read some history books nigga
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>>168300079
Slight fun fact if an institute in theory cant spawn like if Italy has no owned provinces renaissance will spawn in an uncolonized province and wont spread.
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I think I shall do this. If they call me in to a war with france I don't think I'll accept though.
I'm not going to ask them for help now anyway.
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>>168300065
>+33% manpower
>-3 unrest
>+2 m strength
>bad
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>>168259612
HELP
E
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I don't think I understand
did the portuguese government to one of its colonies? is portugal now managed by the 2k or so portuguese colonial bureaucrats in mozambique? why can't I just annex this already
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In other news, the ottomans took suez from egypt, meaning I have to be friendly with the ottomans now and sphere them. which means fighting for influence with france, which means less influence in latin america

aaaaaaaaa this is painful
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>>168300943
Not him but I also find the faith a bit findly since I get bad luck with the patriarch events. Also is just me or are events for that common early game then rare late.
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>no reason not to increase mobilization ever
>no reason to ever stay on disarmed nation/
>you have to use the orders thing and draw arrows and shit or you miss out on retarded attack/defense bonuses
>no reason to build navies at all unless you are planning on invading britain
>air force micro can get tedious when you are advancing along a front
>no reason to build civilian factories
xd
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>>168301445
>no reason to build civilian factories
Wat?
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>>168301427
They taper off once you get above 60~ because you can get PA from supporting the clergy also
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>>168301498
All military factories all the time. Only stop to build shit like air bases or infrastructure or synthetic factories
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How hard would it be to apply CK2's religion colors to EU4?

Trying to make a mod of it
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Anything you really want in EU4? I keep hoping for a dynamic to spread your faith to foreign heathens nations sorta like how kongo and Japan can go catholic actually had a protestant japan like 2 games ago I didnt know how to feel guess you won eh blackthorne? but dynamic so like as England I can take steps to spread reformed to china through trade deals or war and it spreads like heresy in the land depending on the nations choices and what not. I have a hard on for religion in these games in general and I always love when they get fleshed out.
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Should I go for peace or wait for Prussia to join in a war so I can cuck them early?
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Hey guys check out my sick meme nation XDDD

Up boats please. I reformed west african faith and everything!
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>>168302068
Cuck them early.
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>>168302102
>No Kingdom of Egypt.

You not Kangz.
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>>168302102
where did you get so much money playing as mali

I'm literally running on fumes in my campaign
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>>168302216
One step at a time.

I intend on fully uniting Africa under the African faith.

Gotta remember our origins before the filthy light skinned niggers killed our culture.
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>>168301782
>For the treaty of tordessalas to matter more
>if I have a neighbouring province, or my colonial nation borders this area, to always be able to colonise there
>colonial range to make more sense so I can give the Japanese matchlocks in 1550
>holy war casus beli to be constant and not disappear halfway through mobilisation
>colonisation of non American places to make more sense, as the Dutch didn't just invade the spice islands
>tradeposts can be made by monarchies once you get to a certain tech, as how the hell are merchant republics surviving until 1800
>colonial nations immediately have a 3/1/1 stack as soon as they are formed
>if you have +5 missionary strength then you can deploy missionaries to stop provinces converting in the first place
>remove centre of reformation or Protestantism is a casus beli
>emperor gets more than manpower from the princes but discount condoterri
>nations stay protectorate even once they've passed the original max tech level, or have an alliance somewhere between protectorate, vassal and alliance that doesn't take up a diplomatic slot
>military access doesn't take up a slot
Basically fix colonies, religion and >H>R>E
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>>168259612
Halp maymay
a
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m
a
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m
a
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everything is going wrong
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>>168302332
>Wargoal remove center of reform
Seems kinna OP I mean you could root out heresy in poor little OPM prince and destroy protestanism in mainland europe instantly. If you could do that it would have to be at least 50 years after the start. I mean imagine the emperor declaring war on Wittenberg the afternoon luther hammered his thesis it would be hilarious.
>holy war casus beli to be constant and not disappear halfway through mobilisation
I dont understand this what do you mean.
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>>168260202
Return
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>>168302102
All shit memes aside

How do I proceed from this?

I'm surrounded by powerful infidels.

Do I just chill and wait for them to fragment or something?

Mauretania is going to fall back into my realm when its duke dies.
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THIS IS SUCH A SLOW FUCKING WAR AAAAAAAA
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>>168302515
>extreme
>fulfilling Luther's nightmares is extreme
That man deserves everything he gets
Also another idea
>reformed will always spawn before Protestantism but until Protestantism spawns it doesn't count as a heresy besides decreased religious unity.


>I don't understand what you mean by this
Okay
Deus Vult gives you the Holy War casus beli, whose wargoal is to show superiority, at times I'll have it then it will say 'holy war casus beli lost' when I'm getting my manpower up to max
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>>168302741
Weird ive never had that bug. It could be you lost border with that nation. You need to be touching the heretic nation to have the wargoal last I checked like 3 days ago.
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>>168302698
>he hasn't done the 30 years war in eu4
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>>168302852
No my colonial nation is touching borders eg against British louisnia, as they're Protestant and I'm catholic, and then I'll just randomly lose it.
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>>168302590
Snatched up Alger while Umayyad was cleaning up a decadance revolt and Africa was dealing with tyranny revolt.
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>>168303176
So A holy order that is based within one of my vassals provinces started a defensive pact against me because I took Infidel Land.
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>>168303176
You should try and invest in developing Mauretania while you wait.
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>>168259612
I dont even know what nation you are dont be afraid to hire mercs. Brandenburg is the strongest nation on earth man for man to beat them your gonna need a good general with a massive advantage in numbers. Why even give a fuck about the new world the provinces there have a warscore of like .10 each. If the war is lost peace out for some money or something. Next time you fight them have the navy to beat them blockade and fight on your terms. Post a pic if you can. And stop asking for help jeeze.
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>>168303378
Playing as Austria and yeah when I'm free I'll post pics ___ _____
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I'm actually scared to go feudal because the only reason i've been able to fight off the Umayyad is with tribal event troops.

Do I still get the African Faith piety troops when feudal?
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I am playing EUIV with Extended Timeline and Flatmap with dark water mods, and yesterday i realized i have no missionary as Suomenusko in 8th century.
Is that a bug?
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This war took almost 10 years, holy shit

Don carlos died in 1855 irl but here I'll say he held out until he made sure every one of portugal's colonies were secure in Spain's hands. So he'll die now, and his successor will transition to a constitutional monarchy
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What's the appeal of Vicky 2, how much can you really change in 100 years, and it's not like you can stop Prussia forming
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>>168304156
>what's the point in playing a gsg if you can't conquer the world as ryukyu??
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>>168304156
people on this thread like it because it's familiar to them (as in they've played it for thousands of hours and the games turn out largely the same way every time) and because it's the easiest gsg. there's no thinking involved, just apply the same routines and techniques and the game will go 100% your way
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>>168304156
>why I can't stop nationalism in the era of nationalism
>why I can't stop liberalism in my highly educated society in the era of liberalism
Why are all complaints about these games about the same shit and are usually derived from the same ignorance of history?
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>>168304246
You can't conquer England as the Boers in Vicky 2 so ...
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>>168304462
You can conquer
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r8
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I never realized just how powerful your very own pocket holy warriors would be. Being literally the only west african surrounded by muslims, I literally don't even need to field my own armies, Every time they declare on me I just prop up my free 8k stack.
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>>168304420
>what is Russia
>what is the Ottoman Empire
>what is GB sans that Irish spat
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Should I do it?
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>>168304656
>Russia
>OT
>highly educated society

>GB
>Not liberal
>putting GB and the OT in the same category
wew
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>>168304754
Rule like a god, and you could become one yourself
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>>168304594
nice crop
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>>168304775
>wew
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https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/eu4-development-diary-14th-of-february-2017.999636/

new diary, shogun edition
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>>168305163
I was just thinking of playing as the gooks once my Austria run was over. WHat borders do you reccomened I wasn't thinking Great Asian coprosperity sphere or whatever the plan in ww2 was
Currently is it better to unite Japan or just let them be
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>>168305313
go for all coastal provinces in the pacific but no more than that
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I'm liking the idea that I just invest in two hospitals and spend all of my money developing west africa.
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>>168305163
>daiymos no longer cost diplomatic upkeep
I like that
>>168305771
You want the Dutch to come to you or something?
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>>168305313
All land east of Japan is rightful Nippon clay, after all it's the land of the Rising Sun

the entire planet is rightful nippon clay
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>>168305771
>tfw you realize ze hospital, ze du nothing
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>>168305869
But what about the East Indies?
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>>168304558
but why?
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Killing muzzies feels good no matter who you're doing it as.
>>
yeehaw
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>>168255894
>1921 – Bolsheviks launch a revolt in Georgia as a preliminary to the Red Army invasion of Georgia.
based bolsheviks
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stop appropriating american culture
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reminder to bully prussia
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>>168306532
that's shit anyway
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>>168306523
>Soviets used the 'Suppourt Rebels' casus beli
>it was super effective
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>>168306532
D'accord, je vais arrêter.
>>
is there anything in the way of a ck2 dlc activator? or a specific method for doing it?
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>>168307167
>or a specific method for doing it?
yes
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So at some point one of my vassals formed the kingdom of Mauretania, but I have absolutely no idea how.

God I fucking hate gavelkind. So close to changing it then my leper ass king dies.
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>>168307286
could you help me figure out how to out-jew johan then?
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>>168307436
>God I fucking hate gavelkind
as a victoria 2 and eu3 babby this actually stopped me from playing ck2 outside of republics/after ~13th century
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>>168307741
and this method is to buy dlc

or just download version with activated dlc
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>>168306697
embarrassing post
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Why is it in CK2 that massive Muslim blobs simply never collapse ever?
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>>168309065
just convert into islam
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Egypt is surprisingly easy but fun, dismantling Britbongs felt good. Also r8
>>
Where's the Egypt?
>>
Tell me what to do next in Autism Kings 2

I've already done a Croatia playthrough and created a greater Pannonian empire, defeating both HRE and Byzantium and converting most of europe to catholicism

I've done a jewish playthrough as a jew in jerusalem who eventually carved out a gigantic jewish empire stretching from Libya to cappadocia and iran and converted Mecca to rabbinism

I've done a viking playthrough and conquered pretty much all of the world

I've done an african playthrough as mali and conquered all of africa and the middle east

What should I do next?
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>>168309226
pops
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>>168309257
in africa
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>>168309127
I really want to know the reason for this.

France collapses within the first century of playing pretty much every time basis but I have not once ever seen the Umayyads not blob all over the place with no end in sight.
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>>168309368
I just see that area bucket painted green
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>>168309336
Now that I think of it

>play crusader kings 2
>haven't done a crusader playthrough

Aight
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>>168309336
Welsh reconquista.
>>
Will HOI4 ever be good?
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>>168309924
maybe after 10+ dlc
or maybe never

who knows
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>>168309671
>>>/pol/
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>>168309671
Isn't Sweden literally de-islamifying? And from what I understand they're like 1% non-native anyway, relatively insignificant.
>>
My CK2 to EU4 converter keeps crashing to desktop without error message and I end up with an empty converted_countries_l_english file and confusingly low development across the board (1 1 1 with the exception of a few completely built provinces with max everything, having 3 3 1).

I'm not using any mods and hold a renamed vanilla title. I found nothing recent on the converter crashes, or the development sticking to 1 1 1. It was suggested to change the coding format on the .yml file to UTC-8 but unsurprisingly with its 0kb size that changed nothing.

Anybody know how to fix this? Most recent modded converter I found was a year old as well.
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>>168309671
DAE HATE LE SJWENDEN KEK PRAISE /POL/ PRAISE KEKE PRAISE DRUMPF KILL THE KIKES NON WHITES RACE WAR NOW

>>168310139
Another race traitor cuck liberal gay nigger muslim democrat for the day of the rope

>>168310232
that's right my redpilled brother redpill these bluepilled cucks who should all be euthanized and castrated praise KEK prase DRUMPF fuck those lefty extremists or islamic extremism no extremism here besides my special brand
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>>168304558
Schleswig is okay but rest of Denmark and Frisia are not
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>>168309924
Potentially but unlikely.

On the positive side I don't think that any of HoI4's problems are too deeply embedded to be fixed, unlike, say, the mana system of EU4.

On the negative side HoI4 has lots of problems which were intentional design choices rather than them simply not having time to impliment things.
Stuff like removing the OoB and the super simplified trade and supply systems are clearly aimed at winning over the mobile gaming crowd so they're unlikely to change.

>>168310251
Around 15% of the Swedish population was foreign-born in 2012.
That number has probably increased significantly since the migrant crisis and it doesn't include the descendants of immigrants either.
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>>168310553
Foreign-Born doesn't really mean much though since that would include people from say England or Germany.
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>>168310619
It could but it's not.
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>>168310717
I was under the impression the migration crisis actually saw Sweden let a pretty small number in, and the actual problem came from liberal retards trying to shit like banning crosses in churches to avoid offending muslims
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KOSOVO JE SERBIA
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>>168310861
Well it is, isn't it?
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>>168310480
>>168310232
>>>/pol/
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>>168310969
>Sweden has imported 250k muslim men aged from 15 to 35 in the last year.
>Native Swede men in the same age group are around 1 million.
Kek I didn't know that that's fucking hilarious
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>>168311045
>>>/pol/

also I'm even not white
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>>168309924
No, the core mechanic of battleplans and letting the AI control your armies ensures it will never be good.
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>>168310837
Small number is relative.
Small compared to Germany, large and unsustainable compared to the native population.

Not to mention how immigrants reproduce much faster than native swedes.
Wast majority of immigrants, especially recent ones are from muslim countries as well.
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>>168311081
...I'm not sure why you think this helps your point. Not him by the way.
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>>168310969
>>168310920
PRAISE KEK KILL THE BLUEPILLED KEKS DRUMPF IS GOING TO BUILD THE WALL AND THE MEXICANS ARE GOING TO PAY FOR IT THE DAY OF THE ROPE IS NEAR FOR THE NIGGER SANDNIGGERS BLUEPILLED MARXIST LEFTSIST LIBERAL NIGGER LOVING RACE TRAITORS 14/88 FUCK ISLAMIC EXTREMISM FUCK SJWS AND THEIR EXTREMISM
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Is there any chance that Paradox will remake Darkest Hour or use that time frame again?

Cold War is my favourite era but I'm finding it hard to get into the UI and general outdatedness of DH.
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>>168310837
They took in around 160,000 in 2015 and around 30,000 in 2016.
That's significantly less in absolute terms that Germany but significantly more per capita.
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>>168311212
DH ends right in the middle of the Cold War though, it covers the interwar era more than the Cold War.

>>168311246
Well at least they're winding back, not like I care. Well I problably should, we're losing handsome men (genetically, stupid paintbrush hairdos aside).
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>>168311292
>>>/pol/
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>>168311292
I do notice a lot of shilling but I think it's just this one faggot

I don't like talking about politics on here because what a pathetic platform to do it on, you know? retarded videogame shit. but as long as this leftypol faggot keeps doing so, I guess I won't try and stop him
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>>168311683
this but unironically
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>>168311332

It's still an era I enjoy.

There's more room for diplomacy and espionage since you're dealing with the aftermath of WW2, Revolutions, dismantling of Empire and of course big standoff between Soviets and the West.

I would love a Grand Strategy game that covered 1936-2001.
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Downfall mod for HoI3 really is absolute cancer of the highest degree, reminds me of ICE shit. Randomly spawns allied units in France to "simulate" d-day, Marines with double org can't beat milita, unstable, decisions let you spawn a whole army.
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>>168311915
Something something Fegelein.

>>168311921
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>>168311905

Yeah it would take a lot of work. I mean you would still have the option to go to war of course i.e. Korea, Vietnam, Gulf Wars, Soviets in Afghanistan, Balkans as well as all the hundreds of smaller conflicts.

It would also be fascinating to see how the 20th Century shaped up as a whole if Germany had won WW2, or the Soviets had pushed further West, or if the Allies and Soviets went to war in 1945.

Just so many options for a great Grand Strategy, but as you say, would be very complicated to make.
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>>168312102
>>168312172
shut up
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What are some countries in Victoria 2 that have the potential to become the 1st Great Power?

I know the obvious are USA, Russia, Germany, France and Japan. What about the rest? Does any other country stand a chance?
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yee haw
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>>168312195
>absolute garbage threads
/pol/ as a whole is absolute garbage right now, because it's quite literally and unironically reddit.
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>>168312248
Almost all of them have potential if played correctly. You missed China which is just a fucking nightmare to everyone if they westernize and also tanks the world economy.
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>>168311817
>1936-2001
That means there would be a lot of fiction later on in it unless everything goes the historic route and that kind of leaves little freedom during the war itself. 1945/46-till is much better I think.

East vs West fucking never.
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>>168312195
That's because /pol/ and everyone who goes there or share their opinions are garbage and you are trying to turn is board in garbage by spreading your shit aka "redpilling" here.
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>>168312248
Sikkim
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>>168312267 should marry >>168311995
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>>168312248
India and China are your best bet because once westernized they will literally overtake everyone without you having to do anything at all. Other than that Italy, Spain, Portugal if you play it right. I mean, it's not that difficult really, especially dismantle wars later on will give you the prestige that makes the difference.
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Can we go back to talking about the games?
I'll start; in HoI III what is a good strategy for Commie China if any actually exist, besides the obvious starter steps of allying with SU and fortifying your position?
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>>168312304
But China is impossible to Westernize in HPM because after you do that it balkanizes
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>>168311921
>poling flexible
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Jesus christ trying to deal with the stupid shit in hoi4 relating to the army planning is fucking infuriating.
>playing italy
>station troops in ethiopia
>tell them to push up to the suez
>they decide that the arrow going up the nile means invade literally all of the fucking allied african holdings, literally all of it including south africa and the congo and west africa
That and the apparently invincible british fleet that destroys your entire fleet in a single battle if it looks at you while the constant fucking invasions happen is infuriating as shit. I no longer think the Italian AI is stupid seeing the fucking shit it has to deal with.
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>>168312530
After the event fires to overthrow the Qing you can release->play as whichever clique ends up the strongest before the Warlord Era actually fires and then reunite China pretty quickly once it does.
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>>168312517
Probably focus on tech, I think commie China already has a lot of units but little IC so just research org and so on. If you can, lower NU of Nationalist China as soon as possible.

I'm surprised how little people use this in general. As Germany just lower NU of the Soviets from the get go and STRA bomb once you're at war. You don't even need to take Moscow.
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>>168312671
>cheating
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>>168311369
>blobbing without blobbing aesthetically
why bother?
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>>168312710
>releasing vassals is cheating
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Wow they actually survived.
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>>168312530
Because HPM is a massive fucking cunt who doesn't realize that the Warlord Era happened precisely because it DIDN'T westernize in an organized Imperial manner in time and because Yuan Shikai was an utter fucking retard, it's completely nonsensical that an organized westernization without someone like Yuan shattering the nationalism and organized reformation that the last Imperial court and Sun worked so hard to bring up to point would result in the Warlord era.

>>168312586
Fuck off, I was with you at first.
>>>/x/
Also why the fuck haven't you dropped the name yet you fucking attentionwhore?

>>168312602
No I mean they're unironically reddit because of the election. /r/the_donald was originally a /pol/ colony but a LOT of actual redditors, normalfags, and teenager memers joined in too, and they reverse invaded /pol/ and the rest of 4chan but /pol/ was most affected. You can see a massive difference between in early 2015 /pol/ and late 2016 /pol/.

>>168312665
>HoI4
Unironically uninstall.exe, it's not even semi-fixed like EU4.
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>>168312789
>be me
>be pro prussia liquor memer
>release all my german vassals to remove infamy
>click le epik grobgermaniums button and get it all back
yes
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>>168312847
>Because HPM
Everything from the warlord era is from NNM.

> the Warlord Era happened precisely because it DIDN'T westernize in an organized Imperial manner
The warlord era happened because of the Taiping rebellion. Anyone who understands anything about chinese history knows this.
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>>168312267
who is this and why does her hat thing say send nudes
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>>168312847
Is this picture sfw?
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>>168312847
See >>168312425
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>>168312267
>>168312920
Ebin
That doesn't mean anything in Arab, does it?
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>>168312998
How did you get a sideways Z like that?
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>>168312856
There's a difference between cheating and being gamey.
Cheating is going outside the rules of the game.
Being gamey is using the rules of the game in an unintended way.
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>>168313040
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_I
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>>168313071
>it's not cheating if I can convince myself it's something else
t. ddr jake
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>>168312912
>Everything from the warlord era is from NNM.
Then the people who made NNM are retarded. I don't fucking care about modder drama so it doesn't matter.

>The warlord era happened because of the Taiping rebellion.
The Warlord era started in 1916 after Yuan's death left the cliques with far more power and individual interest than common goal that Yuan's existence propped up. The Taiping Rebellion happened because of the lost Opium War and the loss of national identity and the sense of being left behind and in crisis and ended in 1864. For that matter the Taiping Rebellion shouldn't happen if China somehow wins the Opium War because it fundamentally stems from a crisis of confidence and a shaken faith in superiority of Chinese culture.

>Anyone who understands anything about chinese history knows this.
You're speaking to someone who lives in China.
The Warlord Era was not caused by the Taiping Rebellion. One could argue that the Taiping Rebellion basically pushed the Qing to the brink, causing it to eventually collapse; but even then Yuan's meddling was needed to turn it into the actual Warlord Era instead of just nationalist China like Sun intended. Claiming it was the reason it happened is like claiming the Gulf War happened because of World War II.
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>>168313028
I would doubt

Reverse image just links to a months old /gsg/ where someone posted the same pic

hmmm
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>>168313208
In any case it's clear china needs serious attention from hpm or from anyone else really. It would be super cool to have a china that was less shitty
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Has anyone ever heard of a Florencian Theocracy before?
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What the fuck it really happend holy shitballs
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>>168313457
>>>/pol/
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>>168313485
>>168313385
In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti!
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>>168313485
can you do antipope drama in that game
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>>168313457
>>>/mlp/
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>>168313208
>The Warlord era started in 1916
The warlord era is the direct consequence of the extreme decentralization and regionalism that was promoted to quell the Taiping. The delegation of regional power to local generals, aka warlords, to be able to deal with the rebels. 1916 was just a culmination of the preceding events.

>left the cliques with far more power
The cliques were formed exactly because the Taiping. No taiping, warlords.

> The Taiping Rebellion happened because
It has shit all to do with this. The causes of the Taiping have shit all to do with it being the cause of the warlord era.

>loss of national identity
China didn't have a national identity during the opium war, that's absolutely retarded. To say that china had a national identity before the springtime of nations is like saying the chinese westernized before the west.

>You're speaking to someone who lives in China.
And the way you are using this fact is a fallacy. Just because you live in China or is chinese means shit all in relation to your argument, more so when teaching in China is indoctrinated. Being born or living in China doesn't make every chinese person automatically right about their country's history, and you are the shining example of being wrong about your own country's history and the failure of your education system.
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i dont like thing
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>>168312779
it takes time
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>>168313695
Not him but how about this: taiping china gets huge bonuses and the rebel meme stops being so bad and westernizes quickly if it wins
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>>168313739
What's the next step of your master plan?
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>>168313783
Why the fuck would they westernize quickly just because they just devastated their country?
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>>168313885
figuring out how to get rid of HPM's fucking "no more war" modifier
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>>168313695
>Being born or living in China doesn't make every chinese person automatically right about their country's history, and you are the shining example of being wrong about your own country's history and the failure of your education system.

Jesus christ there lad if someone said that to me I'd want to just fight them. There's no good response to something as arrogant as you just said besides a duel for honor
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@168313959
chinposter, post your chin then, if you're so secure about it
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>>168314028
you seem to actually have some learning difficulty or mental illness so i'll leave you alone
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so truu omg
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>>168314225
Sorry I don't speak roach
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>>168314225
>Russia with US
shit pic

t. Russian
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>>168313967
speaking of it, how do you get rid of no more war?
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>>168313695
>The warlord era is the direct consequence of the extreme decentralization and regionalism that was promoted to quell the Taiping.
But this is untrue. It isn't the "direct consequence", it was made POSSIBLE by the Taiping rebellion. For it to have literally caused it would necessitate that the Warlord Era be more or less set in stone after the fact, which is simply not the case. Even if it were there are far more immediate, and more directly significant, causes that led to the Warlord Era. Fuck the mere fact that there are a good 60 years between the events means it's certain there were other events and that it could've turned out differently for better or worse.

>No taiping, warlords.
But that's not a cause any more than the Boshevik revolution "caused" the Vietnam War.

>China didn't have a national identity during the opium war, that's absolutely retarded. To say that china had a national identity before the springtime of nations is like saying the chinese westernized before the west.
I admit I chose the wrong word. Am identity as a civilization. China wasn't nationalistic because there is no such thing as a Chinese nation now or then, but there certainly was something called a Chinese civilization and the belief in the superiority of the Chinese civilization. The Taiping rebellion reflects the forcible loss of that notion and the confusion that followed as the foreigners repeatedly forced their way in and the percieved humiliation and second-class treatment normal Chinese recieved rising to the surface.

>you are the shining example of being wrong about your own country's history and the failure of your education system.
Have you considered that maybe you're the wrong one instead of lashing out at anyone who disagrees as "indoctrinated", when it doesn't even make sense for indoctrination to blame Yuan Shikai because he isn't even evaluated that poorly?
The Taiping rebellion made the Warlord era POSSIBLE. It did not "cause" it.
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>>168314261
dam...that illustration of a POC sure is well built..i wish my scrawny white body was as functional and as powerful looking...
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>>168314227
no
post it right NOW
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>>168314260
>>168314065
lel why are you replying to yourself
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>>168314373
too bad
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>>168314261

>Not having https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=251964175
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EUIV torrent for Mac where?
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>>168314260
>christianity
>2017
no thanks
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>>168314495
>still being a virgin

I "Top Kek" at your life, as you genetic failures would say
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vote for the communist christian weaboo party in your next elections thanks
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>>168314227

I'm actually from lewisham and have been to that McDonald's very often.

Is there actually someone else from Lewisham in GSG general of all places?? Wtf.

Or do you just like the shite song?
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>>168313695
>Just because you live in China or is chinese means shit all in relation to your argument, more so when teaching in China is indoctrinated. Being born or living in China doesn't make every chinese person automatically right about their country's history, and you are the shining example of being wrong about your own country's history and the failure of your education system.
Not him but you're being a huge dick.
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>>168314624
yes to both

>>168314390
leave him alone he's mentally ill
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>>168314672
but the only faggot itt is you
I'm definitely straight
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>>168314751
Legitimately just report and ignore
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>>168259612
>>168303378
Current situation please advise
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>>168314796
Wait for Brandenburg to attack Bohemia's or Denmark's army and reinforce them around halfway through the battle.
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>>168314738

What the hell. Lewisham is the least Grand Strategy kind of place in the world.

Why would anyone from Lewisham play grand strategy.
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>>168303378
>>168259612
Now this
>>
jj
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>>168314796
heres a tip: uninstall the game
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>>168314751
.

>>168314738
Sisaj ga bre nakazo izdajnička.
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What is lewisham
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>>168314796
eu4 sucks and so do you
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>>168314923
>>168314923
Anon are you being ironic? You have just complete domination on both sides of the sea, your allied army seems to be around 3 times the size of the enemy alliance, and Denmark seems to have pushed the Royal Navy's shit in. What exactly is the problem here?
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>>168259612
>>168303378
And last but not least this
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>>168314891
who says I play grand strategy?
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>>168315034
Not really, England has 50 brigs on the way, and everytime we engage despite our army being twice as large the burgs BTFO it
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>>168315060
fairplay
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>>168315043
Group up with your colonial army to kill off the British stack?
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>>168315060
>/gsg/ - Grand Strategy General

hmm makes u think
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>>168315198
what are you gonna do about it tough guy?
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>>168315121
>brigs
Ships or regiments?
Even if England is bringing in 50 more ships, Spain has a 30 stack of boats there so you still have naval dominance.
And first off get a general on your continental stack, why is it general-less? Wait for Brandenburg to get mired in battle with Denmark, lure them there if necessary, they'll get a strait crossing penalty.
Get the Defender of the Faith thing, it gives a morale and iirc discipline boost which is highly useful against Brandenburg. Since you're out of manpower you won't need money for recruitment anymore.
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>>168314320
You seem to have trouble with english. Maybe that's why you keep confusing the event that started the Warlord era with the the event that the warlord era is rooted in.

> necessitate that the Warlord Era be more or less set in stone after the fact,
>decentralization and warlordism start and are rampant during the Taiping rebellion to quell it
>some decades later these warlords vie for power in a war
>wow who would have thought this would be the consequence
Are you literally retarded? After decades of walords taking root and gaining power, what the fuck would the consequence be? A peaceful transition?

> which is simply not the case
Which just proves that either you failed your education system or your country's education system failed you.

>the mere fact that there are a good 60 years between the events means
Means the warlords had 60 years to gain more power and be well prepared to use it. Wow. I wonder what could have happened, maybe the government who just fucking lost millions and had to delegate a ton of power to the warlords to win could have just spend all his sword mana to raise thousands of loyal troops from the dead and just entered a bloody war with the people they just empowered just to centralize the government. Because of course the people who benefited from the war by getting a ton of power would just hand over that power peacefully to a weak government. Obviously.

>But that's not a cause any more than
Than using yet another fallacy to try and strengthen your shit argument?

>Am identity as a civilization.
Are you literally retarded or do they remove ability of critical thinking in china? You are just trying to say they were nationalistic using other words. It's absurd.

>Have you considered that maybe you're the wrong one
Have you considered that being born or living in china is no fucking argument when discussing chinese history? Oh that's right, you didn't.
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168315292
away with thee
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>>168315402
wow amazgin
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>>168315409
that's what I thought you weak fucking nerd
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>>168315492
I have strength
Both physical and mental
I can rek u
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>>168315584
embarrassing post
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yee
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What in gods name happend to you, /gsg/?
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>>168315492
that kid has a cool jacket and you're just jealous of it
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>>168315727
It was like this since EU4 came out.
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>>168315364
Got defender of faith and comboed the armies, hopefully the AI will attack the enemy AI and not just run around in circles killing me with attrition
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This sort of autism makes me quite horny
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I hope there are no limeys in this general
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>>168315863
mod?

also lads what are you doing for san valentines day? im here looking for a good vn to spend the night with/.
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>>168315919
this, gsg is a frog only general
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>>168315919
Yeah man fuck the paddies, Cromwell for lyfe
>>
What should be added/changed to improve the China experience?
Off the top of my head the following:

1) Give the Taiping some sort of buff so that they don't get annexed in two months
2) Fewer regular revolts, perhaps have the mandate of heaven reduce militancy?
3) Fix the event spam that gets really bad once you westernise
4) During the Warlord Era the cliques get a decision to become the faction leader which lets others in the same faction join them and means you don't have to annex states in your faction to unite China. This isn't available to the successor state which basically makes it impossible to reunite China unless you release->play as a clique.
5) You need Manchuria to unite China but Japan will attack and puppet them as soon as the WE fires so you have to fight them. Japan shouldn't get a CB on Manchuria until after the WE ends.
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>>168314320
>The Taiping rebellion made the Warlord era POSSIBLE. It did not "cause" it.
>event X causes warlords to appear and take root
>they spend decades rooting their power and gaining more
>after one generation this culminates in war
>event X wasn't the root of a war were the primary actors were said warlords
You aren't the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?
I'm not saying the Taiping started the fucking war. I'm saying it's the root of it. No taiping, no warlords, no war.

>>168314665
>Not him but you're being a huge dick.
Boo fucking hoo, grow a pair or get the fuck out.
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>>168315817
>that
>white
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>>168314665
fuck off reddit
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>I hope there are no limeys in this general
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>>168315956
it's the
>
>
>
mod, but it's not updated yet, it's just a preview
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>>168316112
i see, well its good that the modder is still alive.
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>Oh they're capturing homebase better just stop here
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>>168316453
does Spain help in anyone else's wars when they play because they've done fuck all this game
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>>168315402
>You seem to have trouble with english
At least I remember to capitalize proper nouns. Great usage of ad homenim though.

>Maybe that's why you keep confusing the event that started the Warlord era with the the event that the warlord era is rooted in.
What are you talking about? The event that it's *rooted* in is the Taiping Rebellion. It is not the event that started it, nor the event that caused it. It is the event that made it actually possible, like the Bolshevik victory in Russia made the Vietnam War possible and the Cold War can be traced back to the first successful communist (technically socialist at first) revolution. It doesn't mean it literally caused or started the Cold War.

>decentralization and warlordism start
>some decades later these warlords vie for power in a war
Yes, who would've thought that this is the literally undeniable consequence and direct cause 60 fucking years later. I mean - why did the Warlord Era not begin immediately after? Consolidation of power? But surely it would've been a prime chance immediately after the Emperor was overthrown? What made the continued and rapid consolidation of power and interests possible in the period leading up to the Warlord Era? Why were the Imperial Court and Sun unable to properly reign in the power of the Warlords despite being able to keep them in check?


>weak government
What do you think Westernization forced through under an Imperial government represents? What do you think happened to the strength of the government after Yuan's death? Why do you think their powerbase consolidated so fucking fast under Yuan? What do you think would happen under a STRONG government, in other words one that would be required to force through a westernizing reform program through the objections from below and above?
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>>168315008

a shithole borough in South East London.

Basically London version of Harlem.
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Ok lads, time to continue my austria-game. What should I be doing while I wait for the revoke?
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>>168315402
>Than using yet another fallacy
>fallacy
That isn't an improper comparison. It was truly the root, but not the actual cause. No commies, no Cold War, no Vietnam. Is this wrong?

>It's absurd.
You have just proved that you know literally nothing about Chinese history. China was a so-called "civilization pretending to be a state", and never had national identity but instead one as a civilization, a cultural identity. Do you know what the terms "nationalism" and "nation" actually mean? Because a cursory glance should show that it wouldn't apply to Imperial China and never did, and still does not quite, apply to China; but the idea that China as a civilization is somehow exceptional and better than everyone else was persistent and strong historically, and the idea that they were indeed one civilization was as well - otherwise China would not be able to repeatedly explode and reconsolidate.

>>168316008
>synonyms
Yes anon and "nation" is synonymous with " commonwealth, country, land, sovereignty (also sovranty), state" according to M-W. Obviously not globally applicable to equate a nation with a state or else Bismarck was spouting literally nonsensical drivel, since the German peoples wouldn't need one flag, being not a nation.

>No taiping, no warlords, no war.
And yet my original fucking statement did not deny this and in fact supported it, but attacked the argument that the Warlord Era somehow became inevitable after the War. You're attacking a strawman if you're attempting to argue against the position that it, or at least something to the effect was not required for the warlords to happen. I agree with that. I disagree that it's inevitable.
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>>168316934
colonise americas or force a union on spain
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>>168316971
Well, spain does have a habsburg on their throne, so I think it's not so unlikely. But it's scary to let go of the alliance I have with them because Ottomans want to eat me.
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>>168316946
>>168316798
And if you're going to reply, hurry it up. St. Valentine's Day has worn me out and it's approaching midnight; I have an interview for an internship tomorrow.
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How do I stop Muscovy as Sweden

They always blob right next to me and fuck me up
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>>168317357
Work with Novgorod since they're basically always the first target.
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In hoi4, does anyone else delete all their units right at the start of a campaign? makes it so much easier, but I might be missing some disadvantages.

>nuke all units
>recruit, deploy at 20% and start training
>you get army xp and can build your forces from bottom up

even countries that need manpower for focuses like germany, you still get 550k after about 4 focuses, 2 if you're desperate
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>>168316798
>At least I remember to capitalize proper nouns
More like the auto correct reminds you.
Too bad there's no auto correct for the Chinese system that, like a dog, trains you to repeat a few tricks but doesn't seem to be able to teach you how to think, how to use reason nor logic.

>>168316798
>The event that it's *rooted* in is the Taiping Rebellion.
Glad you finally conceded you dumb fuck. Fun fact: "rooted in" is synonymous with "caused". Read pic related now compare with
>>168314320
>The Taiping rebellion [...] did not "cause" it.
Now let's user Merriam-Webster for "English Language Learners" to find the definition of "root" shall we? How about "cause" like pic related shows you. Now let's redo your phrase.
>The event that caused (it) is the Taiping Rebellion.
Wow, that was fucking hard. All these fucking words just so you can admit I'm right in the end.
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>>168317474
I'm actually interested if anyone plays HoI4 at this point.
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>deleting my posts
virgin alert
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How do I survive Ottomans as Byzantium? The ol'
>disable Cossakcs DLC
>ally Hungary, Poland and Austria and declare war on Ottomans
strat doesn't work
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>>168317474

Does this work.

I fucking hate playing as UK because there's so many units and colonies.

Once the war starts you're having to fly around the map so much it's impossible.

I once lost because I was fighting so much in SE Asia and Africa that the Japanese took over the UK when I wasn't watching.
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>>168317757
With the UK/US, I normally give all my colonial/island troops a good general and set fallback lines for individual troops. also convert them to good units instead of shit ones.
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>>168274406
Need her last name 3bh
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any advices how to westernize as fast as possible
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>>168317975
>0 prestige
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>>168317975

With all the conquering it should have been easy. You can blob into Sudan the organize it and release it as a satellite after.
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>>168317506
>More like the auto correct reminds you.
>implying I have English autocorrect on my computer
Are you accusing me of being a phoneposter? Hilarity, you don't have any arguments, it appears, besides hurling insults. I see you've given up on all my actual points as well as your misunderstanding of the distinction between a civilization and a nation.

>Glad you finally conceded you dumb fuck. Fun fact: "rooted in" is synonymous with "caused". Read pic related
I love how you don't even understand your own language. One of the fundamental roots of the Vietnam War was the Russian Revolution, so according to you it's also the literal cause.

>Now let's user Merriam-Webster for "English Language Learners" to find the definition of "root" shall we?
So hold the fuck up, you believe that "nation" is completely synonymous with "state" under all relevant contexts? Because by using M-W so liberally after I pointed out an obviously incorrect synonym in certain contexts, you demonstrate that you believe it is in fact correct to use Nation as a synonym to "Country", to "Land", to "Commonwealth", and to "State". So apparently "Adam sighted land after many days at sea" can be turned into "Adam sighted nation after many days at sea". This is literally what you're saying. A good fucking day to you, sir.

>All these fucking words just so you can admit I'm right in the end.
First of all, we (that is, people who speak English fluently and follow convention) use square brackets to add words within a quote for clarity.
Then I will come around and ask you - do you believe that Columbus sighted nation after many days at sea, and that a tree is caused deep in the ground? Fucking imbecile.

You still have not addressed your erroneous claim that it somehow made the Warlord era completely inevitable and that somehow a strong government would not have at least made it less likely - because you can't.

>>168317691
I think you can ally Albania after they get declared on, it's the new meta.
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>>168317845

fallback lines for individual troops? how do you do this without thousands of armies?
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>>168318135

Wait right. Wtf was he doing?
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>>168318250
Takes a few minutes, but assign everyone to an army (upgrade a general to field marshall). Then click on each individual division and set a fallback line where they are. that way if you ever want to assign one of your mainland british troops, you can just ctrl-right click on the fallback line and they'll head on over.

if you need to do specific incursions/attack plans, set up a separate army with a decent general.
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>>168318324
got this moddifier for forming ethiopia
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>>168318135
>>168318324
HPM added a meme modifier to Ethiopia that takes away 0.1 prestige monthly until the Scramble.
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>>168318548
>.1
It looks to be almost ten times that here >>168318506
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>>168255894
>>[V2]Africa Mod
Is this supposed to be played with HPM?
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>>168318506
>>168318548

Ahh, but you not form it keep all the prestige and then unite and westernize right? Or does civilized Ethiopia get it too?
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>>168318593
That's the one you get after unifying Ethiopia, the one I'm talking about is given to every Ethiopian minor.
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>when your vassal and cousin, the steward of the Imperial Waterway, declares war against the neighboring fuckhuge Teutonic Order and only barely has more troop levies than him

gl
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>>168316946
>And yet my original fucking statement did not deny this

>>168313208
>The Warlord Era was not caused by the Taiping Rebellion

Almost as amazing as your knowledge of your own country's history.

If
>The event that it's *rooted* in is the Taiping Rebellion.
then the cause of the Warlord era IS the Taiping rebellion. We already established >>168317506 that saying an event was "rooted in" something means it was "caused by" that something.

You are contradicting yourself. By denying that the Taiping caused the Warlord era you are denying the
>No taiping, no warlords, no war.
statement.

>>168316798
>nor the event that caused it.
>The event that it's *rooted* in is the Taiping Rebellion.
You literally just said that the Warlord era was caused by the Taiping, now you are denying it.
You look like a dog chasing its own tail.

The other shit you wrote is just a false equivalence. Comparing two events in China, one that 60 years later led to another has shit all to do with a proxy war between two foreign powers in Vietnam.

Try to must all your dog training and think this shit through before wasting my time with it. Or are you going to claim you are half Vietnamese so you know about Vietnamese history?

> that this is the literally undeniable consequence
Promoting Warlordism leads to Warlords fighting. Who would have thought huh?

>60 fucking years later
The most funny part for me is how you are incapable of understanding how time contributed to cementing Warlordism and made the Warlord era more and more inevitable.

>I mean - why did the Warlord Era not begin immediately after?
Because no one had the power to do it because they just ended a huge fucking war. Turns out promoting warlordism doesn't mean it will immediately blow in your face.
You simply can't separate what started the warlord era from what caused it.
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Is HoI 4 even a grand strategy game?

The vanilla version is boring and simplistic as fuck and the only way to have fun with it is to mod it to its core
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;_____;7
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>Latin America country (1-2)
>Boer Republik (3-5)
>Spain->Annex 4-0ugal (6-8)
>Persia (9)
>Ethiopia (0)
>Turks (Dubs)
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>Tfw promising land to an "ally" and not giving them any
>Conquer them afterwards
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>>168318606
>please reply
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>>168318215
>Are you accusing me of being a phoneposter?
No you strawman dumb fuck, I'm telling you why you bother with petty shit while being unable to comprehend what a "synonym" is and contradicting yourself.

> hurling insults
I'm sorry, did I break your chink heart when I didn't take your "trust me, I'm chinese, I know chinese history" for your the stupid shit you are spouting?

>I love how you don't even understand your own language.
I love how you ignore the dictionary when it literally just proved you wrong and then to proceed to cling to your false equivalence to train and disprove a fucking dictionary.

>you believe that "nation" is completely synonymous with "state"
What the fuck are you talking about? Can't you read english, not even the section of the dictionary for English Language Learners? Don't you know what a synonym is?
Just what the fuck, how do you even use the site if you can't understand basic shit like that? How hard is to understand that "rooted in" is literally defined as "caused by" something?

>I pointed out an obviously incorrect synonym
Yeah now it's incorrect because it proves you wrong and makes you agree with me you little bitch. You didn't have a problem using it left and right until I pointed out how many contradictions you were making.

> we (that is, people who speak English fluently
>we
Who? You? Someone who called the Chinese "nationalistic" before the opium war and can't understand the "English Language Learners" section of a dictionary? Really?
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>>168319203

Yeah I'm a GS noob and even I saw how shallow and totally broken it is after less than 100 hours of play.

It's just a very frustrating game.
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>>168319348

So it begins
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>>168319453
>to train
Meant try, fuck, reading your broken shit english is obviously affecting mine. I'm actually getting dumber talking to you, congratulations china man.
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>>168319457
True

You build up your country, then go to war and that's it

There's no decent management system like there was in the previous HoI's or in EUIV and Stellaris, it's just kinda empty
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>>168318606
Yes but the mod is really bland currently.
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>>168319203
No its not
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>>168319525
Fucking nice, carlists rule

PLVS VLTRA m8
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>>168319453
You mad bro?
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>>168319867

The influence game over 4-0ugal begins. Need to make them exit from Britain. Not using my infamy very well right now.. Could go annex Zanzibar. But then my infamy would be spent influencing Oman. Don't really have a good use for infamy right now.
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>>168320218
>4-0tugal
what happened
was there a friendly recently
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Which side would you offer your service as a Grand Strategy General?

Shu, because Wei would be too easy and Wu was a mistake
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>>168320462
obviously siberia
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>>168319203
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>>168319453
>dictionary
Kill yourself for using the ELL version. How about you look at the actual fucking full dictionary and understand that the ELL is a simplified and far shallower version so people just starting out don't get completely lost?
>2: the source from which something grows or develops <one would need to go back at least several hundred years to find the root of the entrenched hostility between the neighboring nations>
Whew, that was fucking hard. It also completely dismantles your entire argument, because here, in the full dictionary, root evidently is neither synonymous with, nor defined as, a cause.

>I'm telling you why you bother with petty shit
Incomprehensible in context. You're telling me why [I] bother, and the reason is autocorrect? Or did you make another mistake?

>while being unable to comprehend what a "synonym" is and contradicting yourself.
1: one of two or more words or expressions of the same language that have the same or nearly the same meaning in some or all senses.
Hmm!

>disprove a fucking dictionary
Because you're not actually using the actual full dictionary. In your attempt to insult me by using the ELL dictionary you've become fucking retarded and incorrect.

>Yeah now it's incorrect because it proves you wrong and makes you agree with me you little bitch
Nation is a synonym of State? Can you fucking read? The obviously incorrect synonym I pointed out was nation == state. Your own reading comprehension requires further work.

>nationalistic
I mistakenly stated they had national pride, admitted this was a poor choice of words, and rephrased it to be pride in their civilization. If you believe that pride in their civilization was nonextant I suggest you go back to your entry-level studies and familiarize yourself with the concepts of "the civilization pretending to be a state", "all under heaven", and "heavenly land", and also think about why the damn place never fell the fuck apart, or rather why it didn't STAY apart.
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>>168319004
Goddamn you're tenacious; this is my last reply, I want to sleep.

>We already established
No, you claimed it and I do not agree, unless you believe that nation is synonymous with land and state. Being rooted in something means it was necessary for that something to happen, it doesn't mean it was enough.

>By denying that the Taiping caused the Warlord era you are denying the
>No taiping, no warlords, no war.
A ridiculous statement. The Taiping or something similarly shattering was necessary for the warlords, but was not itself sufficient. Do you not know the difference between necessary and sufficient conditions? Classical civilization was rooted in a lot of things, including the development of agriculture, pottery, and bronze. Do you think it was now literally caused by those?

>You literally just said that the Warlord era was caused by the Taiping, now you are denying it.
See above.

>Who would have thought huh?
Yeah, who would've thought that it became predetermined and impossible to derail?

>how time contributed to cementing Warlordism
Because [nothing was done during that time], but if something was done then it [would not have happened]. The original claim was that a westernized V2 China has no reason to face a Warlord Era on the clock every time, because well a westernized China implies a strong central government in relative control of what's going on.

>You simply can't separate what started the warlord era from what caused it.
Except it doesn't make sense that the warlord era starting would even fucking occur had events gone significantly differently on the way there.

>You look like a dog chasing its own tail.
If you're too fucking stupid to understand the difference between "rooted in" and "caused by" then just substitute my statement with the above idea of necessary vs. sufficient, despite this being a shallow approximation at best.

>Try to must all your dog training
Literally what the fuck does this even fucking mean?
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>>168319203
Can you turn it into a theocracy with Pence?
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So after finally getting V2 MP set up last night only two people joined and we didn't play.
If I host an HPM MP game later would people actually join? And if so what time would be best?
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>>168320589
And since I'm going to sleep anyway I'm going to anticipate -
>2: the source from which something grows or develops <one would need to go back at least several hundred years to find the root of the entrenched hostility between the neighboring nations>
>Whew, that was fucking hard. It also completely dismantles your entire argument, because here, in the full dictionary, root evidently is neither synonymous with, nor defined as, a cause.
You're going to claim it is the same. It evidently is not - because, although a simple substitution doesn't render it nonsensical, it doesn't communicate QUITE the same thing. The cause of the entrenched hostility would imply a single event. The root would imply that the hostility began building up at that point and that it built up over time after the original event kicked off the chain that created hostility to begin with. The root of the first world war wasn't the assassination of the Archduke; but that certainly was the immediate cause.
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>>168320589
>Kill yourself for using the ELL version
I used it for you baby. You are the one with a problem understanding simple english here.

Apparently it didn't do any good since you just refuse to believe the dictionary.
>He's claiming that the dictionary is lying to him.
wew

>>168320737
>tenacious
wow, the china man who can't even understand synonymous or the dictionary is trying to use big words to prove he has a vocabulary. Here's one for your studies: unbeknownst. It defines you pretty well.
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Will this cause their alliance to break with Anglos?
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>>168320871
Personally I'm temporarily sick of vicky desu
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>>168320823
You can electrify all ties

But srsly, with millennium dawn you're mostly just larping and getting your fun from imagining things

Since HoI4 is pretty much an empty game rn, you can't form any country into anything - you can only stick a new logo and a new head on it and
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The national anthem of Qing
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>>168321009
>He's claiming that the dictionary is lying to him.
You replied so fast I didn't even have time to go away.

>Apparently it didn't do any good since you just refuse to believe the dictionary.
No, I claim it doesn't go into enough depth to actually be relevant here since root and cause are related but not literally the same.

>big words
>tenacious
Are you literally an ESL?

>unbeknownst
1: happening or existing without the knowledge of someone specified —usually used with to <unbeknownst to us rumors were flying>
I'm...happening or existing without the knowledge of a missing someone specified? Are you retarded?
See you later laddio. Cheers.
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>>168321174
golden cup lol
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>>168321030
I don't know
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>>168321030

Actually nope, will have to bring them into my sphere to force the alliance to break then remove and add the second state CB during the war. Annoying. But the gains of portugals colonies are insane.
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>>168321009
>unbeknownst
not him
how does this work on people?
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>>168321312
it doesnt
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>>168321252
>>168321262

If the game doesn't correct the alliance, I will probably go break it on my own.
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>>168321232
>I claim it doesn't go into enough depth to actually be relevant
It's a dictionary, chink. It's not wrong, it's not lying to you, it's telling you a synonym for people who don't know english. Like you. Want another dictionary definition?

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/root

>The basic cause, source, or origin of something
There it is again. Cause. But I don't have any hope that you will understand this though, I mean you don't understand the ELL definition of it. You are going to probably to latch to another definition or another word because you have nothing to argue about ever since you blatantly conceded I was right.

>Are you literally an ESL?
If you actually knew english, you'd know they are big words for you, the guy who can't understand the ELL section of a dictionary and instead claim that the dictionary is wrong.

>1: happening
How cute, he learnt how to use the internet to search for words after I taught him, like a good dog. If only you did that before just conceding I was right though.

>>168321312
Don't spoil it.
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Should i make lots of puppets or keep all this under my direct control? And which countries should i release?
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>tfw you accidentlly annex terriotry you meant for your vassal
Well at least I can be sure they won't form Prussia behind my back
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>>168321515
>Don't spoil it.
yeah but like it doesnt work right?
you're just being an ass now and desu senpai cause and root align the same
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>Ally a rival of my rival
>Have to wait 10 years to call them into a war of aggression against somebody we both hate

Would you call this an oversight? I would

Its silly
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>>168321849
>align
*aren't
fuck ac wtf
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everyone fuck off
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>>168321701
Direct control
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Is Byzantium white?
More importantly, is it based?
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>>168322078
Who cares? More importantly, can you make it based?
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>>168321849
It wasn't supposed to work.

>cause and root align the same
I'm not the one denying it.
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>>168322139 #
>It wasn't supposed to work.
but like then whats the point of using it its just shitty bait because its a damned if you do damned if you dont
>I'm not the one denying it.
I thought the whole shitstorm was about it?
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>>168322078
>More importantly, is it based?

It's pretty based considering it was the only civilized country on earth pretty much until its fall
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Would an endless cycle of buying/destroying clippers as UK stop everybody 's construction of naval transports?
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>>168322281
>>168321981
>>168321849
>it's a mobileposter episode
Do you not even have spellcheck or some shit? How is your autocorrect not catching all the missing apostrophes but changing aren't to align?
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>>168322281
>whats the point of using it
To make him go use the dictionary like the trained dog that he is. :^)

Wish he just did it earlier or just actually learnt english, it would avoid all this.

There's literally nothing more to the discussion besides a chink backpedaling and denying the dictionary. I can't add to the argument since he agreed with me.

>I thought the whole shitstorm was about it?
Yes, it's about him denying that after admitting I was right.
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>>168322109
Because fucking everyone hates me from reclaiming rightful clay (i.e everything), I get coalitions 2 times my size no matter how carefully I play.
For example, I only took a couple mid tier provinces, but everyone despises me.

>>168322385
But they have slaves anon, how can they be civilized?
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France has intervened on behalf of the Egyptians.
Carved up holy land?
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>>168322449
>Yes, it's about him denying that after admitting I was right.
Wait so you're saying they aren't the same? Am I retarded, isn't that what he's saying too?
>>168322432
s-sorry will try harder
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>>168322432
He's too angry to bother with this stuff
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>>168322561
I-I'm just confus ;-;
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Mare nostrum.
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Alright, it's time for the revoke lads!
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>>168322894
>before 1600
Jesus fuck you're fast
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>>168322460
>But they have slaves anon, how can they be civilized?

By civilized I mean art, culture, law, education, urban development, stable government, pre-modern nation state and similar things

I don't like slavery one bit but the fact that they were a civilized country despite having this barbaric tradition is remarkable
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>>168323074
?
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>>168322883

Forgot to add:

Two Sicilies -> Italy -> Proto Roman Empire

Vanilla Victoria 2 version 3.04.

Did not form Italy with the help of Garibaldi's redshirts.
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>>168319769

Is it worth getting HoI 3 if I feel this way about 4?
>>
>chink gets schooled about his own history
only in /gsg/
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>>168322934
I could've been faster. It's my first game as emperor and I have done mistakes. And a bit unlucky too, because ottomans have been allied to france, and I didn't manage to take lands from him and expand hre much. But what I did manage was to kill religoius centers in HRE.

Pic related shows a pretty stable HRE in regards to religion.

Now I'm ready to use my vassal swarm to force spain into PU.
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>>168323245
Dunno, HoI3 was a bit extreme in the opposite direction

Try HoI2 and if you really enjoy it get HoI3 also but I think you can have more fun with HoI2
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>play as indian muslim
>discover this has happened while I was fighting hindus
the new patch makes things way more interesting
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>>168323254
From what I'm seeing it actually became some stupid english lesson and I'm not even sure what they were trying to prove at the end, it feels like they were talking about completely different things.
Also does anyone else have more of these things (not the ones from last thread)? They're cute.
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>>168323459
WE WUZ EXPLORERS AND SHEEIIITTT
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>>168323459
But how? What are the reqs?

>>168323608
Morroco isn't WE WUZ t bh
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>>168323335
pls kick the t*rk from europa
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>>168323686
It's in africa
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>>168323547
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>>168323728
Oh I will. In fact, do you have suggestions about what I should do? I haven't thought this through, desu. And I wonder what's the best way to expand.
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>>168323446

Shit I can't decide between II or III now.

Anyone else care to offer opinion?
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>>168323805
You should make the 4th crusade look like a fucking joke
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>>168323917
I will see what I can do about that.

Right now I'm claiming the throne of Spain, forcing PU. I like my army size. I guess my Austrian troops can chill back home while I my swarm do all the work.
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>>168323771
So was Carthage.

>SO HOL' UP
*smacks lips*
>YOU IZ TELLING ME
*rapes and sacrifices kids*
>THAT WE WUZ
*shoots a roman with a S&W magnum*
>WE WUZ
*mounts elephant*
>WE WUZ SUM SORTA
*cross the alps to buy italian fried chicken*
>SUM SORTA KONWUEROR
*shouts romans are raycis and sues saguntum for raycis-im*
>WE WUZ A HANNIBALZ N' SHIEEEEET??????
*attacks cute roman at cannae from two sides*
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New thread when?
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>>168324167
At bump limit.
inb4 R&R
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New Thread
>>168324103
>>168324103
>>168324103
>>168324103
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>>168324221
>>168324205
Hella fucking epic.
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>>168260202
Mod?
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