/civ4xg/ - Strategy and 4X Games General

>>168197649
First for whatever you want, Anons.

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>>168197806
I fucked up the OP desu

>>168197845
How? I didn't notice. Then again, I didn't read the OP.

>>168197931
Didn't get rid of the old edition.

Playing Civ 6 for the first time. It's not so bad. I just have to get used to the visuals.

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>>168199640
And the stupid quotes.

>>168201583
But he's a real human bean

>>168201583
I am fond of betrayal.

pee pee poo poo wee wee moo moo

>>168201583
Dude, pigs are great. Fuck you.

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>>168202835
*rams you with spiral penis*

>>168203009
No need to get lewd.

>>168203009
That's no ram.

I want to buy Civ V Complete Collection and Civ VI, probably deluxe. Which discounts should I aim for on them?

I'm ok on waiting, as long as I get to play them this year.

>>168204063
>Civ V Complete Collection
all of them
>Civ VI, probably deluxe
100%

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>>168204140
>all of them
All of them what? I'm asking the discount % on steam I should be waiting for before I buy it.

>100%
memer

>>168204351
>that cannon
I am hard now. I want to see it in action.

>>168204063
>which discounts
Spring I think has a sale. The summer sales are always a thing
Keep your eyes out because sometimes there's weekend / weeklong sales for Civ that are like 25% off, which imo is good enough for CiV.

>Civ VI
The 100% off discount, it's literal shit

>>168204745
Laddo fucking delete this

Upcoming species/ship/city pack ideas, go.

>>168204816
what is this laddo meme?

>>168204957
more plants

>>168205037
/brit/ I'm guessing.

>>168204351
I got mine for $12 about this time, it's a six year old game so getting MAXIMUM discount shouldn't be a problem.

>>168204957
A non organic pack featuring crystals rocks and cybernetic organisms.
Non mod version of robots with non organic traits and playstyle.

>>168204957
Pure energy beings.

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>>168204957
aquatics

>>168204063
>>168204513
It's kinda odd to hear so badly from VI here, most people I've spoke with (outside of 4chan) said that VI expanded on everything V did well, but still had some issues and rolled back some qualities, like every Civ release (their words)

So it came as a surprise for it to not be seen as even having some sort of potential after some patching.

>>168207306
Potential is a beautiful word, but as of right now they don't even have modding tools, the tech tree is wiped, the progression is generally fucked, the UI is terrible, the quotes are garbage, the AI is not even interested in winning so much as making you fucking miserable, and so on.

>>168207446
>tech tree is wiped
>quotes are garbage
>AI is not even interested in winning so much as making you fucking miserable

Would you care to expand in these points? Especially the first and the last. Never heard of this.

>>168207553
>Never heard of this
Dude, I never played Civ VI, but even I know about the AI settling near your borders and then getting pissy, and when you capture their towns, they're all empty.

>>168207553
>tech tree is wiped
The tech tree progression is just fucked, you'll be researching the A-bomb in 1200, there's techs that are just dead ends (like ARCHERY), the civic tree is a neat idea but 90% of the civics are completely useless so you ignore them, you can research artillery before you research gunpowder iirc, etc.

>AI
The AI, first of all, is almost always at -10000 towards you for no apparent reason. They declare war on the slimmest of pretexts and seem to think that 1000 spearmen are a match for even a single gatling Corps.
They also do shit like settle cities in utterly shit locations right next to your borders, spam missionaries and apostles like nobody's business, and are just generally cunts.

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>6 flight decks
Holy fuck

>>168208801
I'm looking at the tech tree right now and Gunpowder is a prerequisite for Ballistics and Steel.

>>168209141
There's some really fucked paths, when it came out everyone was talking about it
I forgot what the completely fucked combos actually were. What about the route to advanced artillery or whatever gives you riflemen / infantry? I remember clearly there was at least one gunpowder unit post-Niter that didn't need you to research gunpowder
Oh yeah speaking of that shit
>research iron working
>look for iron
>there's like three stacks on the entire map
>research coal mining
>there's maybe one deposit on your continent if any exist.
Also the navies are utterly useless which is why Harald-kun is trash, and the maps are too fucking small.

Spiritualists should get a third AI personality that's halfway between Evangelising Zealots and Spiritual Seekers.

Materialists have Erudite Explorers between Peaceful Traders and Ruthless Capitalists.

>>168209141
>Gunpowder is a prerequisite for ... Steel.
Doesn't this seem kind of off to you

>>168209238
Infantry from Replaceable Parts do not require Rifling, if that's what you mean.

>>168209482
No there's one that doesn't require gunpowder unless they patched it out
It wasn't the only fucked up line either, I just haven't really played it for months so I don't remember it personally anymore.
>STILL no modding tools
Maybe if they released it we'd be able to fix their game for them, as it is I'm back to Civ IV

>>168209585
Things that don't require Gunpowder:
Frigates
Ironclads
Biplanes
Submarines
AT Crew
Fighters
Rocketry
Satellites
Nuclear Submarines

>>168209717
They must've patched it out then, there was a far more glaring one before.
what the fuck are all those things attacking with then, E&M railgun AT crews?

>>168209717
Oh and speaking of units there's also the problem of two few units in general. The advancement feels kind of fucked and the old problem of "by the time I actually make two archers they're obselete".

>>168209141
>Gunpowder is a prerequisite for Steel
I don't really see where the problem is.
>and for Ballistic
What? Trebuchet were a thing.

>>168209987
>Gunpowder is a prerequisite for Steel
>I don't really see where the problem is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wootz_steel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus_steel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toledo_steel

>>168209987
>I don't really see where the problem is.
The chinks were using blast furnaces by the Tang era. They didn't have gunpowder then.

>>168209987
I didn't mean to imply it was a problem.

>>168210260
>>168210291
>>168210291
The implication is that we are talking about higher grade or more mass produced steel.

>>168210260
>>168210291
No, I mean...
Why do you need gunpowder to make steel? Steel is iron+copper, right? You just need high temperature furnace, right?

>>168210437
>higher grade
Damascus Steel was pretty goddamn high grade anon and Chinese steel wasn't in any way shit-tier either.

>>168210482
Steel is carbonized iron so yes, you need a suitably high-temperature furnace and the ability to purify it and all that
It's not exactly simple but it's not related to gunpowder in any relevant way.

>>168210484
Keep reading.

>>168210437
Nigga what?
Damascus Steel based off of the production practices of Wootz steel was legendary even by today's standards, and people have been trying to replicate it ever since the technique was lost.

Toledo steel was also exceptional. If we're talking about Steel mass production then name the fucking thing something like "Modern Steel Manufacturing" Especially when "Steel" on its own was a medieval tech previously.

>>168210514
Okay, I just said it wrong.
I meant to say I don't see any relation between these two. Ballistic clearly predates gunpowder, but I really don't see the relation between gunpowder and steel.
Maybe if you needed dynamite to mine, but...

>>168210618
Right that's what I'm saying
Neither are related in a relevant manner. Ballistics KIND of makes sense because it suddenly became a lot more important due to the increased range and firing rates of field artillery, but steel...nah.

>>168210606
Yeah it's retarded but then again >Civ VI

>>168210553
>mass production
First off again >China, because China does everything big bigger biggest. Secondly "Steel" obviously refers to, you know, steel. Not the Bessemer Process or something.

>>168210752
Well, ballistics was already relevant before.
Cough cough catapults trebuchet cough cough.

>>168210606
>or
>more
>mass
>produced

>>168210752
>First off again >China, because China does everything big bigger biggest. Secondly "Steel" obviously refers to, you know, steel. Not the Bessemer Process or something.
You're being silly. Steel refers to anything related to steel. The tech tree doesn't mean humanity is supposed to first discover how to make the very first crude bit of steel in the late game.

I'm too tired to argue this right now.

>>168210821
You could've just said onagers and ballistae, Romans literally had people whose sole job was to figure out where shots would land.

>>168210825
You know, for someone who tells a person to keep reading you seem to have a hard time doing so yourself.
Also, the logical "OR" function means that as long as any of the statements are true the entire statement checks out. A statement of [ ... higher grade or more mass produced steel] requires only that steel be higher grade, or mass produced, or both. You don't need both.

>>168210825
>Maybe you should take your own advice and read more.

>>168210895
>The tech tree doesn't mean humanity is supposed to first discover how to make the very first crude bit of steel in the late game.
Except as has been repeatedly pointed out, Wootz, Damascus, Toledo, and Chinese steel was of high quality and Damascus and Chinese steel was produced in massive quantities. In fact Wootz steel was too, to the point India had an entire export trade based on exporting quality Indian steel.

>>168210921
Sorry, I still have the Age of Empires approach where ballistae and just oversized bows and onagres aren't for precision.

>>168211017
>tfw Chinese scorpion spam or Celtic onager spam

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cute

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What's everyone playing right now?
Playing some AoE2 myself.

>>168211202
FINALLY

>>168211314
Playing some Tera, but I want to play a RTS later. Cute Seija by the way.

>>168210978
And humanity figured out how to make much much more steel much later on.

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My first Civ 6 victory.

>>168211454
Yes, then name the tech something like Bessemer Steel, The Bessemer Process, or Modern Steel. Not just "Steel".

>>168211606
Then write a long email to Firaxis about how you the player cannot tolerate them simplifying the names for normies without Wikipedia degrees like your or me.

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>>168211314
Started a sovereignty crown of kings campaign (Kazoth)

Will continue that after work

How does converting cities work in Civ 6? Do missionaries do anything once the city religious circle amount reaches the maximum? I used several missionaries on a city that was 60% Confucianism 40% Islam and nothing seemed to be happening. Apostles seemed to work a little though.

Also how do you reform your religion in Civ 6? I won the game and all the religions in the game still didn't have those two last religios tenet slots filled.

>>168211731
Pretty sure they've already learned that appeasing the normalfags doesn't work.
I saw let's plays of Civ 5 all the way from launch to the civ 6 launch. Civ 6 let's plays mostly disappeared after a month despite the game technically being more complete than 5 ever was at launch. And the reaction to Civ 6 was mostly the same, "It's shit".

>>168212508
Civ V vanilla was much simpler than Civ 6.

I obviously don't have a problem with people not liking certain games, but I hate it when they make up their mind and then start making shit up about why it''s bad in order to justify their opinion.

>>168212508
Civ V vanilla was so fucking bad holy shit.

>>168213261
And yet it still held on longer than Civ 6.

>>168213310
Don't remember it well, when did civ v get mod tools again?

>>168212602
I'm not sure anyone understands why they don't like Civ6. All I know is that people were mad about Civ V for years but at least they were talking about it.
Civ VI has been greeted with universal indifference.

>>168214520
I mean I played CIV a bit at release, made a break and came back again. I will do they same with CIV I . I also feel the 4x market is much better saturated then back during CIV V release.

In Stellaris there should be an option to send diplomatic messages to multiple Empires.
If the whole galaxy closes their borders to me I shouldn't have to go to each and every fucking empire to return the favour.

How do you get teams going on CIV 6?

so with the removal of the fast and insystem jumping what advantage odes hyperlanes have that offset its MASSIVE drawbacks?

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>>168219983
Absolutely none. It was the worst method before and now it is totally trash-tier

>>168220243
thats great fucking design right there, where can i reverse that shit? I liked hyperlane only runs.

Also, how can i make all enemies spawn in the middle of fucking starts so i dont constanly jump into niggers?

Soo I just ran a new game and I started right (literally right) next to an Enigmatic Fortress. How fucked am I?

>>168221558
You're fine? I mean as long as you dont go into that system it wont kill you.

>>168221558
You're grand.
It can't touch you if you stay out of it's system.
Just wait until you have 80k fleet and wipe it out.

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>>168221558
> invisible transsexual ayy lmaos
Help

>>168222898
PURGE

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So for all of the other Aurora players that MIGHT inhabit this place right now, i need to know. Why in the fuck are my Gauss turrets apparently incapable of having actual damage? I need to build this for AMM capabilities.

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>>168223274
Individualist xenophile materialist
whyyyyyyyyy

>>168222007
>>168221943
Cool. thanks. Asked because I had some trouble with other space beasties fucking my shit up when I engaged them with small fleets. Wondering what kind of nifty stuff this one is gonna give me. Any tips on how to shut it down effectively?

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>>168221943
I kept flying around the Enigmatic Fortress and it just didn't react to me the entire game.
Is it supposed to kill me? It just sat there, didn't open fire on me, my ships didn't open fire on it.

>>168224975
It's not. It's a fuckhueg research opportunity, but it won't attack you if you don't fly in its range.

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>>168225060
I did fly in its range. I parked my fleet right on top of it. Nothin'.

>>168225312
Oh, I assumed you'd attacked it before. It's (supposed) to turn aggressive after you attack it once.

>>168208801
Dead end techs have been in Civ for a long time.

>>168214520
10 threads back people were explaining why they didn't like Civ 6. By now, everyone has forgotten the specifics because nobody plays it anymore.

>168214520
>168228096
>it's been explained why Civ6 sucks in this very thread
>"NOPE PEOPLE FORGOT"
This is so stupid I'm not even gonna feed you a (You).

You shoud be able to place robots on planets you havent properly colonized. The whole point of robots being able to work where you cant seems like it should be a given instead of first needing to colonize a planet. Maybe being able to make a robot outpost where you just cant put living units on would sopve that.

so is there any downside to changing my capital planet in stellaris? playing as the commonwealth of man and have met the United nations of Earth... and I'm planning on taking Earth for MY empire as a sort of challenge and want to know if there's a downside to swapping capitals

>>168230008
You can send robots to colonise.

>>168211542
>always want to play a game as Arabia
>either get terrible starting location or no resources to train Mamluks
Reeee

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WE REAPERS NOW

https://twitter.com/Martin_Anward/status/831077240184020992

>>168231268
>more stuff to do with pre-ftl species
YES! i love Toying with these fuckers!

Any news on when Civ6 might be getting a map editor and steam workshop?
I loved making scenarios in Civ4 and would love to give Civ6 a try in this regard.

>>168231268
>ever raise up a species in a total complete opposite direction whch you want?
well yes I have wiz

>>168230631
Wait you can? Do you need to have any edict or some such turned on?

>>168231268
FINALLY

>>168231414
I just hope that there are more choices and actual mechanics that go with this, and not just a new type of "click X button to get Y result" thing. Dealing with individual pre-FTL societies should be a unique(ish) experience every time

>>168231625
you can still keep them the way they are, but if you don't want them to be that you can make them like you

>>168231723
I agree, for example an industrial or higher planet should have a chance of spotting your observation post, because really how can they not see that shit through a telescope

>>168232068
Optical camouflage.

>>168232194
yeah, but still it would be cool if there was an event where they spot it, without the anti-alien initiative

>>168231632
No.
Just select a robot pop when choosing who to fill your colony ship with.
Although, I might be misremembering. They might need to be at least androids.

>>168232290
I know there's an event where one of your abduction ships crash land and you need to bail them out.
You could try to trigger it and let them get caught and see what happens.

>>168232290
If you could show yourself without invading them.

>>168231723
>>168232068
They've been doing a somewhat better job of introducing pre-FTL events. The other day, for example, I had a bunch of my observation post staff go rogue and try to bootstrap-uplift a society to keep them safe from my "imperialist influence." I had to actually raise send in a troop transport and land boots on the ground to arrest the staff and complete the event. Pretty cool. I also had an event where a rogue scientist from a completely unrelated event actually pretended to be a prophet and started gathering support to create a rival empire to get revenge on me. I was already in th midst of covertly infiltrating their society, though, and I finished that process before whatever the rogue scientist was doing could be completed. So I don't know how that ends. LASTLY, I had an event that I couldn't really interact with, but was still interesting. I had one of my covert agents in another society I was covertly infiltrating fall in love with a local, so he ran off with her and kept sabotaging the process, so it took way longer than usual.

SO, pre-FTL stuff isn't perfect, but the variety does exist. I'm hopeful that Paradox and modders can truly polish it into something great

>>168232568
Isn't it late in Sweden, Wiz? Shouldn't you be off work by now?

>>168219983
>the removal of the fast and insystem jumping
What?

>>168232568
>I also had an event where a rogue scientist from a completely unrelated event actually pretended to be a prophet and started gathering support to create a rival empire to get revenge on me
HAHAHAHA

>I had one of my covert agents in another society I was covertly infiltrating fall in love with a local, so he ran off with her and kept sabotaging the process, so it took way longer than usual.
That one happened to me as well. I never got to capture and torture him as the planet fell under my influence too quickly.

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>>168210482
>Steel is iron+copper

>>168232568
>i had a scientist go rogue on me and become a prophet to them
i had the same event but on a middle ages world, he uplifted it to industrial age and this allowed my empire to infiltrate them

wha the fuck colonization/frontier influence now depends on distance?

God forbid you want to cut off access from niggers by takeig chokepoints, dont want anything resembling strategy geting in teh way of fucking boredom.

Also, im betting money it doenst affects the ai, and/or tehy insane amoiunt of free influence becauzse fuck you adn your fair game.

>>168232817
I got an event to level the city block he was spotted in and make it look like a meteor strike.

>>168233129
Lucky you. The planet fell in my grasp before I could finish his chain events, and I never even got to end him properly.

>>168232796
they too now have to leave the gravitywell of a system, and i feel like the jump charge itself takes as much time as warp

>>168233129
Wow, like I said, my infiltration succeeded before anything like this could happen. That's pretty cool

>>168232817
>I never got to capture and torture him as the planet fell under my influence too quickly.
what do you have against true love, anon

>>168211314
I want to marry Seija

>planet in my borders is about to reach ftl while im playing as xenophobe
>infiltration on them keeps messing up and it ends in an all out nuclear war

Hey problem solved and none of the nations got mad at me for it.

>>168209252
Spiritualists get Honor bound warriors

>>168234364
kek. plus now you can possibly get that dank tomb world habitability

>>168234364

What happens if a pre-FTL planet reaches FTL when its inside your borders? I have a jolly race of mushrooms neighbouring one of my planets, so far I've been harvesting them for science but I'll have to have a final solution at some point.

>>168235213
This just happened to me yesterday because I wasn't paying attention. They carve out their own piece of space, right in the fucking middle of your stuff. I noticed only because they cut off one of my sectors and fucked with my energy/mineral production, so I had to invade them and make them into a protectorate, which pissed off some of my more pussy neighbors. What a headache.

>>168235442
I just wish there was a way to intentionally trigger "messing up" the assimilation

>>168235442
In hindsight, I should have just made them cede, but the influence gainz are nice

>>168235213
>>168235442
Why isn't there an option to permanently suppress pre-FTLs? Why can't I set up Ur-Quan Slave Shields and have a collection of permanent primitives throughout my empire?

Not sure if there's any RTS fans here but, if there are, and due to the recent success of RTS threads on /v/, we are starting a new attempt on /rtsg/ here >>168214771.

Please consider joining us.

>>168235690

Well with the expanded slavery and genocide options in the upcoming expansion you can do pretty much that by just invading the planet, making everyone slaves with destitute living standards, no legal rights and no freedom of movement

>>168235885
What if I don't want to invade and deal with unhappy tentacleniggers? What if I just want to collect society research forever?

>>168231625
You can check their ethics ahead of time by looking at the pops.

>>168235690
I really want to do this aswell.
slave shields when

Can't think of a species name to save my life.

>>168231723
Speaking of unique events, I wish there was an mod or algorith or something that could follow the biggest events that happen in the game (first contact, first colonies, rebellions, wars, uplifts, crisis, etc) and record them into a coherent "galactic history"... it'd be a cool way to make each playthrough more memorable, and autists could really get nitty-gritty with RPing

>>168197649
I no longer play 4X, rts or even gsg but have you experienced the same thing as me?

>playing Civ IV
>about to build a nuke
>realise I didn't even talk or reacted by screaming or at least saying something to myself
>continue to play in silence, not even having fun
>finish game
>"Fucking finally, that was fun"

For some reason I was in "automatic" mode when I played games like that. Still, I consider those games the best ones since they cater to my autism.

just unlocked the gene warrior army and holy shit this damage increase. I feel like a decked out group of them could take a planet without any help from orbital bombardment or even taking out any of the defenses

>>168238720
Why would you scream in front of computer?

>>168239427
>my autism

There's your answer

>>168239427
When I had 15 years I used to do that
>playing Civ IV FFH mod
>find that huge red dragon
>kill it in one blow with one hero (can't remember its name)
>laugh like a retard in an extremely loud manner
>parents hear me and they look at me in a worried way

>>168239227
>I feel like a decked out group of them could take a planet without any help from orbital bombardment or even taking out any of the defenses
You're not wrong.

>>168239227
>add very strong
>military barracks
>cloned commanders +25% damage
Just don't let enemy catch them in space.
Although 50 Slave Armies with commissars also do the same job

I was following the Civ series since Civ 3, and played Civ 4 religiously. I had a lot of life related shit, my computer dying etc, and could never try Civ 5 or 6 when they came out. Recently I managed to get shit back on rails and save enough for a decent rig. Has much changed since Civ 4? Should I stick to it or move on to Civ 5?

>>168237945
The Mar'rava.
Their goal is to Mar'ravé Tafasse.

>>168240408
Hexes. Units can't stack. There are ranged units. Culture doesn't expand borders in every direction armt once.

>>168240538
There is clearly a joke here, but I don't get it.

>>168240408
Civ 5 is shit and streamlined to hell and back. Stick to Civ 4. I didnt play Civ 6, but I'm placing my bets on it being the same as 5 but with that Districts thing.

>>168230607
It's expensive. That's it.

>>168240408
Civ 5 and 6 are worth it for the hex and combat. My general rule for beginners to the franchise is go with one the second to most recent game to save some money, but since you aren't new maybe invest in Civ 6 if you don't want to end up buying both games. BNW is better than 6 as of now but 6 is a LOT better than 5 when it first came out so it has the potential of surpassing BNW.

>>168240790
It's a French pun. You cannot expect to understand it.

>>168241037
I'm also curious about 6 since everyone is so biased it's is difficult to get an objective analysis. And since all those idiots on youtube drop a game after a month to make money of the next hyped release there is little material to form an opinion.

>>168241836
my opinion: wait a while for civ 6. It's better than 5 was on release, but it still feels pretty empty and shallow, balance is shit, and mods will make it better as usual.

>>168241658
>but 6 is a LOT better than 5 when it first came out so it has the potential of surpassing BNW.
Yeah, just like Beyond Earth had the potential of surpassing SMAC, amirite?

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Why the Ethics in Stellaris are so terrible?
>Xenophile vs Xenophobe
How even licking a alien dick can be ethic? If so it could be Expansive vs Isolationist, which would make much more sense, Xenophile and Xenophobic could be a special zero cost Trait that could be added for flavor
>Pacifism vs Militaristic
This one is not terrible but it sound more like a Species trait that a ethic, especially that pacifist could be and should be well armed and skilled in combat, again its more for a Trait like Warlike or something, Ethics could be Hierarchy vs Egalitarian which actually fits theme as military is usually hierarchical
>Collectivist vs Individualism
Its actually fine but Individualism should be not against slavery, if so Collectivist should be one against one with alien slavery toleration instead(we are one, they are not) and Individualist should be OK with slavery so long he isn't one to be enslaved, but getting pissy when enslaved
>Spiritualist vs Materialism
This one is fine I guess.

Overall there could be more 0 cost traits that are reflection on some social/biological constructs or psychology. Aka Warlike or Predatory or Xenophobic etc, that affect specific questions.
So actually making
>Expansive Individualistic Hierarchy(aka Athenian Democracy) with slavery
or
>Isolationist Egalitarian Collective(aka Spartans) where aliens(helots) are enslaved but citizens are equal
Should be possible.
Please rate my rant.

>>168241964
Buy Endless Legend and then civ6 once gets good, if it ever happens.

>>168240408
Just stick with FreeCiv.

>>168242220
What if I dont want a Fantasy game. I like Civ because of the setting desu, main reason I stick to it.

when's the update for stellaris coming out?

>>168241964
Thanks anon. The only thing I was sure about so far is that the soundtrack is godlike again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQYN2P3E06s

>>168242510
Brace yourself
29th February

>>168242532
the soundtrack is great. the visuals are really comfy as well, though I suppose it depends on if you like cartoony styles or not. But theres a lot of issues, so it isn't really a game that I'd play over civ 4 or even modded 5 until it gets expansions.

>>168220353
Different anon here, I use mods to make it's times 10 days -> 7.5 -> 5
removed not in owned space penalty and increased FTL speed
I really miss the FTL from anywhere we could do before.

>>168240076
Yeah ive got the clone commandos and the academies on the planet, guess i just need a war to wage. The idea of crushing a planet with super warrior dropships alone sounds great

>>168240408
At the moment, I wouldn't suggest either. If you can get civ V with all the DLC at a bargain price, than go for it, otherwise, just wait until civ VI comes down in price. At the moment, civ VI is about $60 just for the game with no expansions (guaranteed to come though) and civ V is basically the same price, if not more, with all the expansions that make it good. I was lucky enough to get civ V at a decent price, and the expansions later at a really good price during one of Steams weekend deals.

You could always 3.14rate it too.

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Any tips for a beginner?

Up till now I am liking the complete freedom to do whatever the fuck I want, at the same time I am not even sure what I can all do, there is just, well, so fucking much.

>>168238720
>continue to play in silence
There really shouldn't be an alternative to this, if there is in your case, seek help, you need it.

>>168244451
>training for office job at a shipping/logistics/transport firm
Their programs are as user friendly looking as those menus of yours.

>>168242084
>If so it could be Expansive vs Isolationist
Except the entire point of the game, as in the rest of the 4X genre, is expansion. You may as well have 'prosperity' and 'poverty' ethics. One is obviously better than the other.

>>168242084
>>Xenophile vs Xenophobe
>How even licking a alien dick can be ethic?
Multiculturalism vs Ethno-nationalism

>>Pacifism vs Militaristic
>This one is not terrible but it sound more like a Species trait that a ethic,
Prussians were militaristic, hippies are pacifists.
>>Collectivist vs Individualism
>Its actually fine but Individualism should be not against slavery
This is their fuckiest set, which is why they're changing it somewhat, but individualism seems to be clearly about individual rights, which wouldn't generally sit well with slavery. You can practice slavery as an individualist empire if your species is decadent, though.

>>168244451
Is that aurora?

>>168245464
Slaves aren't individuals, problem solved.

>>168244451
HOLY SHIT
Prepare to eat maths.

>>168245664
Go individualist and xenophobe. Xenophobe will allow alien slavery. Or go individualist and take the decadent trait.

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>>168245596
Yes it is.

Currently producing more military academies and research labs while conducting research in the economic sector. No idea if these are good ideas, but it is my first time playing this game and there is a lot of shit to do.

On the one hand I want to colonize Mars, on the other hand there doesn't seem to be a point to it as the resources there are probably kinda meh and not worth the cost and effort.

I think my next step will be to build harvesters and send them off to harvest shit from gas giants to stockpile fuel. Again, no idea if that is a good idea, but it sounded good to me.

2nd game of Civ 6 so far and I'm liking the Eureka system. It ties the game together and makes it more engaging. You have to be constantly thinking about achieving any one of nearly 10 events while moving your cultural and science research around such that you make full use of anticipated Eurekas.

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I think theirs a your momma joke somewhere if your search hard enough.

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2 academies done building putting me at a total of 3 which is nicely reflected in the amount of new officers added to my pool. I think I will leave it at this as I can't imagine I will need that many officers, especially considering I haven't even started researching a ship, yet alone build it yet.

>>168246250
Just get on wiki and read the getting started guide.

Harvesting fuel from gas giants is for resupplying fleets far away from home and totally not efficient compared to mining/refining. You won't have to worry about fuel for a long time with just the starting stuff you get.

You should be building geo/grav survey ships and looking for planets with minerals.

>>168238720
>not constantly muttering while you plot and move armies around
>not cackling maniacally when you seize a good city

its a shame in stellaris the galactic core is fully inaccessible
would make for a neat mid to even late game exploration region if say it required advanced technologies to even reach into it but with major rewards like harvesting O-class stars for massive energy output, gaining access to various new resources created in supernova cascades and perhaps even a galaxy wide struggle to be the empire/federation in control of the central singularity

>>168248825
Retard, the galactic core is probably a super-massive black hole. The only thing you could probably do is set up some research stations.

Man the stellaris aliens are dumb looking, is there a humans only mod?

>>168248980
fully aware of that
I'm also aware the game already lets you harvest dark matter from regular singularies, has various forms of FTL that would allow dipping into the event horizon and getting back out to be plausible and as of next xpac there's going to be various megastructures

and it would just be badass to have the entire galaxy go to war over who gets to control a supermassive black hole to the point if you control it to long the fallen empires start waking up and even the engame crisises try to reach it with a wide variety of horrifying effects if they do manage to reach it

>>168249317
>has various forms of FTL that would allow dipping into the event horizon and getting back out to be plausible
Except that you have to be outside of any stellar object's gravity well to use FTL

>>168249498
you can emergency FTL within a gravity well

its not safe sure but it would in theory be possible, given the tech levels available to engame stellaris to create a custom ship specifically designed to make a single jump to beyond the event horizon

>>168246464
Additionally I like the wonders mechanic too. There are so many wonders with unique placement requirements that keeps one civilization from hoarding them all.

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Full powers to Klein fields!

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>>168251934

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>>168252641
Way 2 lewd.
Mods cut combat power calculations by half.

Tfw no grav cannons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23E-YEHjASI

>>168251934
why are hexagon-based barriers the best

>>168252949
Is using the mod ship types any better than just corvette spam?

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Our emperor has fallen ill.

Help I cant let go of Civ 4. All the mods are dead, people dont play the game anymore, but I cant play Civ 5, it's too shit and I'm blinded by my nostalgia goggles.

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>>168252949
At least the manga translation is still going, though slow.

>>168253548
>People ranked aboved the emperor
What?

>>168253638
fuck man, every single day I check for new chapters. I want more of it.

Aoki Hagane no Arpeggio stellaris mods when?!

>>168254169
>Aoki Hagane no Arpeggio stellaris mods when?!
As soon as you make one.

>>168253806
Not him, but it's just administrative capability, not actual rank.

>>168248172
Well with these tips in mind along with the fact taht I do not have space travel yet, I decided to create a geology team here on earth to find more sources of minerals. Not only did that work and up the accessibility of several types of minerals, it also caused the team members to gain significant increases in their abilities.

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>>168242084
>Whether you're pro or anti diversity is not a political position
>Should be a genetic trait instead

Also I think you're confusing individualism with egocentrism.

>>168242084
"Isolationist" is a reasonable ethic, but the opposite isn't so obvious. Multi-Culturalist makes some sense but may be a bit politically charged in real life memeocracies.

I think the others are fin, and I like where Banks is going with them.

There should be more traits in general. The trait system is heinously weak right now.

>>168242326
Stick with Civ IV until VI gets an expansion or two.

>>168242510
No announcement until they've got enough work done on it to make a realistic estimate

>>168255392

If they're going to expand on the whole artificial habitat mechanic isolationist may become more viable, instead of colonising far space you go tall.

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>good at religion
>will always get a religion
>good at science
>good at warfare thanks to religion and really good unique unit
>pretty cool leader
How can one civ be so based?
Is there anything Arabia can't do?

>>168248825
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTYpKlIc_fg

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HAK HAK HAK

>>168255392
What would Isolationism consist of mechanically that isn't already covered by Xenophobia? Pure "I just don't expand at all" doesn't really fit in the game, so it sounds like it would mostly refer to not being very open towards your neighbours.

>>168255645
Megastructures should make it pretty viable to stay in your zone without expanding via conquest without any real expanding. You can already kind of do it by pushing your borders and terraforming fucking everything. Steal spess clay without wars.

>>168256225
Maybe it would have border projection which
Oh wait that's already called "xenophobia". If that's what we've already got, why not name it appropriately? It's not like taking Xenophobia means you're gonna lynch xenos in the street.

>>168255953
Return to the hell that spawned you, demon!

>>168256734
>It's not like taking Xenophobia means you're gonna lynch xenos in the street.

Yes, but it allows you to do it if you want. How are you going to play zero tolerance fanatic purifying crusaders if you don't have an ethic that reflects that? You can still play xenophobes in a non mass-murdering, isolationist version and it still fits with the theme. So I think renaming it into isolationism would be a net loss for the game, and I don't really see what the change would add in return.