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/ygo/ General #2445

Last thread: >>167882852

xyz, pendulums and synchros ruined the game Edition

● YGOPro is an automated simulator.
>YGOPro (Windows): http://www.mediafire.com/file/baj95caex5si0n3/ygopro-1.033.A-Percy.exe
>YGOPro (Mac): http://www.mediafire.com/file/jpok5ejx0fvlu5k/ygopro-1.033.A-Percy-nopics.dmg
>High Quality YGOPro Images: http://www.ygopro.co/Forum/tabid/95/g/posts/t/23339/The-Ultimate-HQ-Card-Project
>Manual Card Updates (place inside the expansions folder): https://github.com/Ygoproco/Live2017

Useful Links:
>Current Official Rulebook, last updated 6/27/15:
http://www.yugioh-card.com/en/rulebook/EN_SDSE_Rulebook.pdf

>Wiki with a wealth of information for the players:
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

>Yu-Gi-Oh! stock market:
http://yugiohprices.com/

>OCG decklists:
http://blog.livedoor.jp/yugioh_tpr/
https://ocg.xpg.jp/v/deck/event.html

>TCG decklists:
http://yugiohtopdecks.com/decklists

>TCG/OCG news sites:
https://ygorganization.com/
http://blog.livedoor.jp/maxut/

>Hypergeometric Probability Calculator:
http://yugioh.party/

>Official /ygo/ ruling test:
https://testmoz.com/466984

Upcoming Sets:
●OCG: Tyranno's Rage (February 25th)
●OCG: Code of Duelist (April 15th)

●TCG: Raging Tempest (February 10th)
●TCG: Fusion Enforcers (February 24th)
●TCG: Duelist Saga (March 31st)
●TCG: Structure Decks Machine Reactor & Dinosmasher’s Fury (April 13th)

Before asking to be spoonfed, try the following:
● READ THE OP
● Read carefully the cards
● Lurk and read the archives
● Google your deck before you post it here. If your deck is/was competitive it will probably have topped an event, see the provided links above
● Most games have single rounds or a best of three match; matches are encouraged as they teach you to make use of your side deck for tournament play
● Praise Rat ;)
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>>168054714
How is priority gone? Its still in the v9 rulebook.
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True Kings are finally topping some events
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>>168060432
>they're memeing in the bahamut/treatoad with VFD

Nice
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I want to get back into the game and buy a blue-eyes deck mostly from scratch. Should I wait for the banlist before I start shelling out for some of the medium $$$ range cards?
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>>168060432
I can't read moonrunes, the fuck is this shit
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>70 burgers to get the windbitches + raging and brave eyes

Good shot I'm not making the zoodiac engine
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>>168060757
What?
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>>168060432
how many participants?
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>>168060909
He's saying he could get all the Wind Witches plus the Raging and Brave Eyes dragons for 70 bucks, which is roughly the going price for 1 of the cards needed to make a Zoodiac deck
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How do I Ritual Beast post-RATE in TCG?
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>>168063125
You pray that Tewart gets his head out of his ass and take Ulti-Kanahawk off of the ban list.
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>>168060432
>Oh hey, True Kings nea-
Remove Rat
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>>168065034
Why are you even surprised? The best decks in this format are the ones that can make the best use of the rat engine, just like how the best decks in our most recent TCG format were the ones that could make the best use out of desires.
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>>168059910
why are the radest archtypes irrelevant
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>>168066243
Real threatening weapon you got there mr. fisherman
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>>168066734
If Riddick can kill people with cups, this Legendary Fisherman can certainly hob noggers with a birdie
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>>168066968
That's Riddickulous!
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>>168060432
>last strix just for search zephyros
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>Checkmate takes down the server for nearly 2 days just to fix the banlist issue
>puts it back on while it's still literally unplayable
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>>168068821
???
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nice game, yugibaobaboons
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>>168059910
FUCKING RAT
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>>168069114
At least we can still play cards released before that banlist.
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>during either player's turn

Is there a more infuriating phrase in all of Yu-Gi-Oh! than this?
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>>168069594
quick play monster effects killed the game
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>>168069257
If you think being able to run old cards, but not being able to win a single game with said cards is a highlight, well, lucky you.
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>>168069594
Unaffected by card effects.
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>there are newfags
>on /dng/
>right now
>that still haven't experienced their first banlist
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>>168069594
>If
>When
>all my cards say when
>all my opponents say if
Yes
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>>168069594
Each battle phase this turn
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>>168069594
>Once
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>>168069723
???
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>>168069594
>Once per duel,
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Is roadoftheking the only place which explicitly outlines combos and their intended consequences?
My theme is pretty garbage, but I'm trying to get some examples to see what boards I'm going to need to learn to counter and what combos/end states are semi-generic through xyz.
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>>168065034
if you hate zoos, just use a true kang dino deck.
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>>168070341
>what boards I'm going to need to learn to counter
Dragon + 3 backrow/handtrap

>what combos
Summon 2 level 4, then summon rank 4 xyz.
>what end states are semi-generic through xyz
You don't aim for end board of Xyz unless it's either Zod, Bahamut/Toad, VFD, Evolzar, Magnus, Felgrand, Titanic Galaxy, CDI, or Ophion.
And only Felgrand and Titanic Galaxy is generic.
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>>168069081
i mean force strix
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>>168069594
"negate the effect" or "neither player can..."
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>>168069081
>Use Last Strix to search Zephyros, then Zephyros summons Dark Rebellion and banish Last Strix from the grave to summon Dark Requiem over Rebellion and destroy all opponent's cards in field
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>>168071157
Is there a particular dragon? Handtraps seem unavoidable.

I meant how some themes have particular 17 step combos for pushes or first turn setups, Though your example is probably how my deck will end up since its an old theme unbuffed by effect bloat.

Thanks for Bahamut/Toad, could potentially integrate that one! Kind of hard to figure out some of the others.
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Has there been any reliable decks that can bring out this guy. Or should i just attempt to make one myself
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You know, Im surprised people havent started using Debunk to stop the hand trap stuff
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>>168073175
Strike covers more situations, and the LP cost barely matters
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>>168073292
but hand traps are gonna be rampant come 11headloli
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>>168072280
By Dragon, I mean this bitch.
Board to counter generally depends on meta, so you just need to learn what the hell the current meta can do.

And by end board, it's implied that it's a board you aim to make turn 1, and the only thing worth making turn 1 is either disruption, or hand control if you can make 3-5 of them.
Hand control is not realistic, and there's only a handful of xyz disruption. Just search shit like "during either player's turn" and "negate" and you'll get most of them.
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>>168073541
Yeah, but a trap is only worth nowadays if it has some sort of powerful effect that can even decide the game. Negating a hand-trap is basically negating a negation, while you could use something to give your opponent the diagnosis ''royally fucked''
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>>168073175
Can you use Debunk on your first turn?
No?
It's useless then.
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>>168073706
Good card. Take it to worlds.
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>>168073706
Of fucking course I forgot pic..
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>>168073706
>>168074023
Wow, that does seem like a hard wall to climb.

I've found a couple deck overviews from regionals, but most don't detail all their combos. Is this information aggregated anywhere or does everyone learn every deck by playthrough?

So most of the combos are first turn oriented with all subsequent plays being attempts to continue their engine and mitigate opposing plays? Thanks for the search phrases, will do.
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If I control two toadally awesome do I get two negation effects per turn or can I only activate one of them a turn?
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>>168074023
>dragon
looks like a fuggin cockroach
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>>168075769
Read. The. Card.
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>>168075769
You get two. Cards with the phrase "you can only use this effect of x once per turn" limit it by card name.
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>>168075850
Bitch, answer the damn question.
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>>168075769
Yes, toad is a soft once per turn since it doesn't say "you can only use this effect of Todally Awesome once per turn"
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>>168075931
Thank you so much.
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>>168075850
>>168075769
He should actually read the rulebook, it outlines how to read problem solving card text
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>>168076062
k then

>>168075769
>>168075942
>>168076056

Read. The. Fucking. Rule Book.
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>>168075780
You look like a fuggin cockroach.
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>>168077016
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>>168076163
Fuck the hell off.
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>>168077016
I want to be in a delcious threesome of consistency with her and Ixtab.
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>>168072950
Obelisk Force made one in Japan
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>>168077016
Every other answer is wrong.
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>>168077016
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>>168078143
>I refuse to read the fucking rule book of the fucking game I'm trying to play

Sounds more like you are the one who needs to fuck off.
Fine, don't read it then.
Enjoy being called out for being a retard when you keep asking stupid basic shit that you should know already if you bothered reading the fucking Rule Book.
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>>168078645
Just answer the damn question and stop being such a bitch.
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>>168078926
Stop being an illiterate peasant.
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>>168078645
This is why /dng/ is so shit. They'd rather just be complete asshats just for the hell of it instead of actually being helpful and constructive to other players.
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>>168077016
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>>168079180
That's a lure, not a real loli.
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>>168078228
Forgor pic.
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>>168079151
>WAAAAAAAAAAAH /dng/ should explain me every rule on the rule book which I refuse to read.

This is why /dng/ is so shit. They'd rather just be complete retards just for the hell of it instead of actually doing the most basic shit.
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>>168066243
>We will never get a full Legendary Fisherman archetype full of dudes riding sharks and whales.
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>>168079268
Am I supposed to care?
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>>168080064
They couldnt fish anything since they all only use weird balls to fish. So they all starved, the end.
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>>168079901
Except elswhere, they would just have answered normally and at the end of the day, someone walks away with more knowledge of the game.
/dng/ is the shittiest. Reddit and even Pojo has way more tops than it.
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>>168080167
Lures aren't waifus. They are disposable bait meant to lure pedos with to be eaten.
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What deck should I play if

I hate my life

Have social anxiety

Get ignored by chubby girls

Want to make my opponent suffer
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>>168078228
Reminder that Ixtab was kicked out of heaven for being too tempting.
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>>168080741
Zoodiacs.
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>>168080741
Yosenju-Psy-Frame-Kaiju-chain-burn
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>>168080604
I want Atrax to gobble me up.
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>>168080750
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>>168081760
God will not allow this to take root in his Heaven.
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>>168077016
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>>168081842
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>>168080335
>being such a baller ass fisher you knock cats on the head and snag their limp bodies out the water
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzpZov-VFLk#t=0m34s
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>>168081842
Oh no! Shes getting attacked by random symbols!
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should i get true kings now while theyre cheap? will they go up in price after maximum crisis drops?
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>>168082848
>getting attacked
tempted
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>be leading the duel
>win incoming
>for whatever reason the game lags and when it comes back I unironically lost it
>2 times in 4 games
>my internet is working perfectly
And this is how I stop playing this trash
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Should I even bother going to YCS next week without Zodiac?

I haven't paid attention to OCG for a hot minute so I have no idea if any rogue decks got through.
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>>168084223
noid em
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>>168084516
kill yourself
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>>168084223
Infernoids, anti-meta featuring zoodiacs.
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>>168084574
t. noided faggot
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>>168084223
just go with domain monarchs. very good anti meta at the moment
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>>168083306
Why is she holding deck boxes?
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>>168084223
Go to enjoy the duels

can't wait till my deck is finished and I can go to locals and play myself
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>>168085328
I wonder
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Who is the Sam Hyde of Yugioh?
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how the frick 2 play crystrons someone gimme a decklist
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>>168085792
Me ;)
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>>168086013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNy9Eu9dcbM
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>>168084223
kozmos have a good match up against zoods
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>>168086612
IF it isn't the Kaiju variant
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So I was at locals today and went in with this, and I choked and went with 0 wins today. I am not used to prepare side deck for tourneys.

So looking for opinions on build or side deck choices. I lost to Pendulum performapal, Psyframes and fucking Red eyes and had hard time doing synchro at all.

I barely practice with my real cards so I was literally shaking of excitement on first round and I think I couldn't see the combos.
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>>168088607
Where Arf Thou seems like a problem, Mask Change II is situational and costs you a card in hand, you don't use Kali Yuga, only 2 Copernicus.
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how do I make webms of my replays?
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>>168088607
Aside what has already been mentioned, you are maining D.D. Crow
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>>168088607
>Orthros
>Mask Change Second because muh Dark Law
>MST
>Wave Oblivion
>no pot of Desires
Christ, someone please post all those those OCG tops
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>>168088607
>>168089016

I just realized
>Maining D.D Crow and no Maxx C
fucking hell
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>>168088843
>you don't use Kali Yuga

Shut up retard >>168089357
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>>168089357
>>168089016
>>168088607
Welp, I was wrong, Orthros is fine.
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>>168089409
What's that, anon? >>168089357 seems like Kali Yuga is used
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>>168088843
>>168089016
>>168089002
>>168089275
I am thinking i can swap mask change 2 for maxx c.
Is where arf thou alright at 2, I didn't see it in my games and it was the first time I bumped it at 3.
OCG ran darklaw until mask change 2 got limited then they stopped running him, I thought that dark law could win me games in TCG.
Wave oblivion gets me that extra push to win games vs weak boards, It has worked.
I removed Kali yuga because I am retarded to figure what to remove and haven't tested much.

And I am not getting desires, twin twisters maybe but mst is where I am supposed to side deck stuff. I can afford maxx c or twin twisters atm just not both. Sorry for formatting and thanks for help.
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>>168089698
>And I am not getting desires

why?
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>>168089819
>I can afford maxx c or twin twisters atm just not both.
Well I already got the Omega, crystal and siegfried so my budget is lacking and my meals not as good as before but hey I want to have fun
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>Prohibition calling Rat
>Win

Nice Game, Yugibabies
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>>168090062
Gonna sleep and think about the deck recipe. Hopefully more anons give me more good leads.
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>>168090098
>summon Viper
>make Drancia
>pop Prohibition

wow so hard
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>>168077016
>used in only 1 duel

>>168083582
I'm not sure why every Ygopro clone suffers from this same issue. You would think they would've tried to resolve it by now.

>>168083169
You should at least grab Lithosagym since he's also used in New Neo Dinos.

>>168084223
If anything, just do it for the side events and the free playmat.

>>168090367
>Responding to 0/10 bait
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>>168083582
ygopro etc are some serious garbage coding

not to mention the fucking shuffler and its predictable patterns
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>>168083582
>>168091051

That's actually your shitty internet you retard.
If the opponent were the one lagging then you would have won.
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>>168078356
she's mine though
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>>168092167
You should've claimed her earlier then, nerd.
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>>168088843
Kali Yuga is one of the best cards in the deck, Retard; you have to play it
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>>168092259
Bitch, you probably don't play Lunalights, meanwhile i managed to get into Rank 69 on checkmate with them (only to get dunked down because of disconnects and general inactivity)
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>>168060389
Probably means On Summon Ignition.
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>>168092405
Tough titties. She's already been claimed, nerd.
Cry about it in the corner while she gets cucked by Dark Law and Lightning.
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>>168092565
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>>168092565
How about you go cry in the corner while she pops your V.F.D
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>>168088607
>I barely practice with my real cards so I was literally shaking of excitement on first round and I think I couldn't see the combos.
Play more IRL. Bring a waterbottle.
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1-3 fgo
4-6 sv
7-9 gtasa or emu
0 go to rated and be raped
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>>168093457
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>>168093793
>was really only "evil" for Season 0, and even then, it was almost always justified
>went full edgelord, and then full emo
>possessed for a whopping 5 seconds, never happened in the animu
>went edgelord for literally 5 minutes because muh bonds, and even then it was shitty edgelord phase
>poorly written edgelord that wanted to destroy the world because muh entame

Literally the only one done right was Atem, and even then, it was still justified.
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>>168081493
That's the giant spider, not the lure.
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>>168090824
>I-I was just pretending to be retarded
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WHEN WILL DN COME BAAAAACK

RRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>168089357
>mid-2016
>mattering
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>>168096242
NEVER
ENJOY YOUR KNOCKOFF NOT EVEN WORKING PHISHING SCAM
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>>168096449
It's not even a phishing scam, it's just plain retardation.
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Will I get trashed on if I play skull servants irl?
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>>168096857
you have princess now
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>>168097012
Yeah, but the question still stands
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>>168097061
a lawn to mill as well
just have fun w/ vet
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>3 guys at my locals who go to regionals and tryhard think that if you negate the activation of a card with a "can only activate once per turn" clause you cannot activate another one.
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>>168100359
So what about being negated in the resolution, like if your opponent did some tricky shit with Sky Magician and Magician's Left/Right Hand?
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>>168100359
Yes, you are right. Well done. You know Yu-Gi-Oh ©.
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>>168101169
I dont care if Im right, the problem is that 3-4 people who play the game way more than me (and at a higher level) got a fucking game mechanic wrong.
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>>168101437
Don't worry when that happens you just hand them a rule book and explain to them that if you prevent a card from activating, it didn't activate.
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Should I be worried about Norden in the tcg?
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>>168102085
yes
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>>168102113
:'(

He did nothing wrong. He should be at 3. Why does yugioh always limit/semi fair cards I like?
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>>168101437
Show them the rulings.
Print it if needed.
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>>168101437
I didn't even realize there was a difference between "use" and "activate", thanks anon
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>>168100359
>solemn gold gadget
>opp tries to use his second effect
>"can't"
>"b-but it works on ygo"
>it doesn't even work on ygo
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>>168104000
This literally happened at a Regional I went to the first day ABCs were legal. In Game 1 of Round 1. The floor judge and head judge both said he could, because they didn't fucking pick up the Gadget and READ THE DAMN CARD. I'm still triggered to this day.
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>>168103351
I thought the TCG doesnt even have official rulings?
>>168103484
Its simple when you think about it
Oh the activation was negated? Then I can activate again
Or
Oh the activation was negated, but I still played the card so I attempted to use it
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>>168103351
>>168104545
There are no official rulings on things you can print out, unlike in the OCG. Just tell them to ask the judge at your locals, unless you don't have one, in which case you're unsanctioned trash and there's nothing you can do.
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>>168105525
We usually have one but this weekend he was at a regionals in the state over
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>>168105745
Ask him to educate the idiots when he gets back, I assume they'll listen to him?
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>>168104545
>>168105525
TCG ruling is based on OCG unless if it's stated otherwise.
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>Get a RATE box
>Pull Barrage
>"Oh cool, I wonder how much this is w-"
>Eighty-five dollaroos
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>>168105803
You're 100% factually incorrect friend, the TCG and OCG are completely separate in all regards, especially rulings.
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>>168105850
TCG uses OCG ruling because the cards are out in OCG first, there are very few differences in rulings in general.

Where do you think judges look up rulings if there's no on TCG? They always ask KoJ.
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>>168105817
Sell that shit right now anon
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>>168105798
That's the problem, they say they are cool with him so they should know the ruling
And god help me if this judge (who is a super cool, nice dude) fucking agrees with them(we've all heard the stories of dumb TCG judges). I dont think I could ever go back to the store.
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>>168105817
and climbing
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>>168106052
>they always ask KoJ
You're literally pulling things out of your ass now, anyone who's actually a judge knows that you cannot take OCG rulings for TCG. There are major differences between the OCG and TCG, both in cardpool (i.e. SPYRALs as of right now) and rulings (how you have to order SEGOC in the TCG differs from the OCG, i.e. why certain combos make Rooster miss timing in 3-Axis Fire Fist).
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>>168106156
>cardpool
Do you know who designed TCG exclusives? KoJ. Then it's only logical to ask the makers about the rulings.
>SEGOC
One of there very few major few differences in rulings, if there are any other.
Other minor differences are mostly individual card rulings.
Most things in TCG and OCG uses the same ruling, and if the ruling isn't formally made by KoA, we can use KoJ, because we have no other guidance.

What are you going to do when there's a ruling problem with no answer made by konami yet? Make one out your ass?
Yes, many people does that, and most of the correct answers are the same as OCG ruling/case.
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>>168106550
Ask anyone who works at KoA right now and they'll tell you that rulings from the OCG do not apply to the TCG. That may be retarded, but it's how it is. Go ask AdCon (the official Judge Facebook group run by (((Julia Hedberd))), the head of the TCG Judge Program and really the only person at Konami who directly communicates with players) right now and see what happens.
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>>168105817
>pull desires at TDIL sneak
>I'll just hold onto it until it spikes
>zoo's announced a few weeks later
>it plummets
>pull barrage at sneak
>I'll just hold onto it until it peaks

It's my curse
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>>168103167
>opens up an absurd amount of degenerate combos

no
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>>168106669
For what purpose? To show that I was right that the TCG and OCG ruling were practically the same?

They won't openly admit it, but TCG uses rulings based on the OCG, that's just basic logic.

Whether you ask a KoA employee or use an OCG ruling, most of the time the answer is the same.

A smart judge should read the card, use example from other cards with the same wording and use OCG rulings as a guidance for their decisions.
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holy fucking shit its a dinosaur
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>>168107668
Jesus Christ, what the fuck
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>>168107668
>muh nigga Brachion getting reprinted
brb ordering 30
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>>168107668
I'd take more vanillas with good art over this garbage
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>>168106094
Hells yeah, I don't feel like spending 500 odd dollars on completing a Zoodiac deck that will get limited to hell in a matter of months. Might as well make some money off some suckers.
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>>168107732
>The effects of Ultimate Conductor Tyranno are a combination of Ultimate Tyranno (Attack all monsters once each), Conductor Tyranno (Tribute monsters, deal 1000 Damage), Black Tyranno (Benefits from the opponent only controlling Defense position monsters), Tyranno Infinity (Benefits from banishing Dinosaurs), and also this (Flipping shit face-down)
Such a perfect design.
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>>168100359
>each player can only activate a monster effect once per turn
>Q: Caligula the Eidolon Beast is face-up on my field, and its effect that allows each player to activate only 1 monster effect per turn is applying. In this situation, my opponent activates a monster effect, but I chain Divine Wrath to negate the activation and destroy that monster. Afterward, can my opponent activate another monster effect this turn?
>A: As in this scenario, if your opponent activated a monster effect, but the activation was negated by Divine Wrath, the effect of Caligula the Eidolon Beast will still prevent your opponent from activating a monster effect again that turn.
>Source: http://www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/faq_search.action?ope=5&fid=7813&keyword=&tag=-1
Sorry, I'm a bit confused.
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>>168108786
>source brings me back to the home page
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>>168107732
dino ghostricks when?
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>>168110434
As soon as people start using this nigga to make Dragulas in Ghostricks.
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>>168110678
why this?
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>>168110816
There aren't any LIGHT Ghostricks, although I guess you can run Chaos Sorcerer if you're using Veiler/Ghost Ogre
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>>168110816
Because you touch yourself at night.
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>>168111143
I don't get it anon
>>168111180
Thread theme song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv-34w8kGPM
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Why do people use four different Kaijus instead of say 2 Gamaciel and 2 Jizukiru?
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>>168112398
If you somehow draw/mill/use 2 of the same, slumber isn't then dead.
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>>168112509
Ah, that makes sense.
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Shit, I forgot my PSCT. First effect of pic related vs MST, what happens?
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>>168112741
A Field Spell has to remain on the field to resolve it's effects, so you won't get it.
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>>168112894
I still lose the Tuner, right?
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>>168113310
no
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>>168112741
>>168113310
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Problem-Solving_Card_Text
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>>168113310
You do, because it tributes as cost (hence the semi-colon)
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>>168113310
You don't, because it tributes as an effect (hence the semi-colon)
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what is this cloudians meme?
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>>168113310
don't listen to this troll >>168113669

you don't lose it
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>>168114154
Literally read the card.

"Tribute 1 Tuner monster; ...."
It has a semi-colon, which indicated a cost that must be paid before it resolves. Same logic as Qliphort Scout not getting the search if you MST it. This is different from something like Luster Pendulum, who doesn't have a semi-colon, meaning the destruction isn't a cost.
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>>168113310

Ignore the trolls.
Seriously, you don't lose it.
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>>168113669
>>168114258
Fuck off shitposter.
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>>168114435
Since you won't take my word for it, and you already linked the Wikia which explains it, here's a webm.
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>>168114714
Ygopro is bugged.
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>>168114758
You're literally baiting at this point, you're welcome for all the (You)s.
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>>168114714
>using buggedpro
>using a simulator to prove rulings

Are you fucking retarded?
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>>168114852
Someone already quoted the Wikia, which, if read, fully explains PSCT and what denotes a cost which much be paid, and I explained it fully in text myself, so I figured that special kind of retard might need a visual explanation. If they STILL think I'm wrong, then they are beyond help.
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>>168112741
Paying the cost is the first thing that happens, and can't be answered. This is why you can pay the costs of abilities even if it is negated or the card had all its abilities negated from the start.
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>>168114714

>a replay as a proof of anything
This guy is just baiting, right?
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>>168110164
Oh, sorry, anon.
Didn't know that the superior card database prohibit retardation.
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>>168114898
Restrain your autism.
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>>168114979
Don't quote OCG nigger REEEE
>>168115001
>give an anon who asks a simple, honest question a correct answer
>2-3 autists say I'm wrong when I explain it over and over
I can't at this point.
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>>168114898

>they are beyond help.

The irony
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>>168114714
>twin twisters intead of MST

nice try
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>>168115058
Explain to me why I'm wrong, unless you're just baiting.
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>>168115051
You certainly can't contain your autism
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>>168115125

> unless you're just baiting.
The irony is just too much
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>>168115051
It's unfortunate but mental retardation is something that plagues this thread all we can do is give the info and restrain our autistic urges.
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>>168115205
We can always redirect our autism by posting cardfus.
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>>168112741
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Guys, I'm confused, so do I lose the tuner or not?
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>>168115289
Stop linking me to that shitty chink virus site.
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>>168115345
You don't.
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>>168115345
Yes, you do my friend.
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>>168115345
Maybe
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>>168115390
>>168115438

WHICH IS IT?
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>>168115467
Read the Wikia PSCT page, find the section about Costs and you'll see that you do NOT keep it.
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Why hasn't Galaxy Cyclone caught on? I seems legitimately good in theory.
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>>168115363
http://www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/faq_search.action?ope=4&cid=11625
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>>168115508

Just answer the damn question you asshole.
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>>168115549
You don't keep it because Starlight Junktion tributes as cost before it's destroyed.
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>>168115549
You do not keep the tuner.
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>>168115590
>>168115616
I don't believe you faggots. Stop shitposting already.
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>>168115685
I'm telling the truth and have articulated my point, the other anon(s) have done nothing but bait. Who do you believe?
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>>168115727
STOP SHITPOSTING
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>>168115727
The majority?
You're fucking troll.
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>>168084223
Seattle?
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>>168092263
Yes, that is what I meant. That guy is NOT using Kali Yuga and that is one of the problems pointed out
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>>168114714
post background anon
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>>168119192
background anon
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>>168115257
Yes, but yours is a slut so no.
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>>168119923
This, rekt
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At what point did light and darkness dragon become invaluable? What card Creept it empower?
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>using YGOPro for synchron rulings
Come on anons. Pic related, shit like synchron explorer doesn't even work right.
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>>168120523
>Once per chain
Also the lack of means to summon it consistently t1.
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>>168120523
It got a bunch of reprints, can't be special summoned and doesn't destroy
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>>168120660
Let me guess.
Your opponent Strike your Accel Synchron.
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>>168120928
>Your opponent Strike your Accel Synchron.
The opponent's graveyard is empty. If you're going to call the clip a fake then I'd go for the two unshown cards in the grave.

Reagardless, test it yourself and see.
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Got any suggestions/tips? I have been testing this for a while, though match up against Zoodiac is problematic if I don't go first and set up the board.

Trump Witch is there because it's seearcheable by Pendulum Dante. In a first turn I can bring Odd-Eyes to the field, this means I can activate her to fusion Vortex Dragon.

Dag Daggerman is a card I got on sneak and didn't expect to use, but it can recover Skullcrobat Joker from the grave after it's sent there by Rafflesia detaching.

Number 80 fucks up graveyards, Odd-Eyes Rebellion is food for Vortex via Odd-Eyes fusion or, when summoned by Absolute, can destroy the scales unlike Raging. Odd-Eyes Raging, on the other hand, got a better effect when legit summoned and I find myself being able to do so in some occasions, though most of the times he is summoned either when I already don't have Rebellion in the extra anymore or when I have no scales left, a rare occasion that makes him take precedence in being summoned over Rebellion. Of course, those xyz pendulums would only be summoned if Vortex isn't already out or wouldn't take care of the job.

I still wonder what I can do to fare the current meta. Most of my problems are against Zoodiac, however, I know Invoked will arrive soon and may screw me over.
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>>168120660
report the big, that is how works
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>>168120683
It's a fucking two-tribute monster, Barrage can allow all that and more.
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>>168121182
>bug
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>>168121174
>///<

Forgot the pic
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>>168120928
>Your opponent Strike your Accel Synchron.
You can see the opponent's deck at 35. It's turn 1.
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>>168121016
It takes me longer than I want to admit to find the combo, damnit.
Yeah, it doesn't work specifically for Accel Synchro.
And that's fucking strange because I remember exploiting it to sent Jet for free, then proceed to summon Crystal Wing.

Report it then.

>>168121313
You can make your opponent's deck have more than 40 card, you know.
I know because I've "forged" a few screencap like that.
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>>168121207
>Barrage
Your means to summon it (semi) consistently is also the card(s) that powercrept everything.
It also doesn't answer the question of how to put it in the hand consistently, which is the latter half of summoning it.
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>dng is so shit at rulings that they think everything is a glitch
Never change. Never change.
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>>168121991
>This thing is hard to summon
>You can summon it with this
>But that's powercreep
???
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>>168123263
You can summon it from your deck?
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>>168123507
I guarantee there is some kind of contrived combo out there where Rat can manage to search out Light and Darkness Dragon. Rat enables everything.
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>>168123594
Then let's make it simple.
Post-rat, any kind of disruption that takes more than 1-card starter, and vulnerable to handtrap on the process of making it is considered bad.
Your imaginary means of summoning it will be weak to a single well-placed loli. I guarantee it.

But that's not the original question, isn't it?
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>>168122912
>dng is so shit at rulings that they think everything is a glitch
What ruling?
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>>168123993
This chain of replies >>168112741 and this one >>168120660
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>>168124175
Sorry if I'm retarded, but what's wrong with Synchron Explorer?
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>>168124306
The simulator is ruling it correctly, dng is not.
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>>168124642
Why can't Synchron Explorer bring back Accel Synchron?
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>>168123905
No, the outcome will always be Loli's crying into their foreheads as they can't do shit against my three Light and Darkness Dragons.
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>>168125148
>three LaDD
Oh yeah.
You can't.
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What Zoodiac hate can I maindeck?
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>>168120714
Have Konami erratas ever improved a card?
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>>168125342
chain disappearance/destruction
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>>168125596
necrovalley
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>>168125596
https://ygorganization.com/ocg-text-change-for-necrovalley/
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>>168125342
Dimensional Barrier, flying C.
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Any tip?
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>>168126070
No, that deck is flawless. Don't change it no matter what anybody says.
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>>168126070
Less cards.
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>>168126070
1) pick a theme and stick with it. If you're a nostalgiafag then I recommend Blue-Eyes or Dark Magician, or maybe Red-Eyes if you really like it
2) keep your deck at/near 40 cards
3) look up recent decklists on youtube, search for something like "blue-eyes deck 2017"
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>>168126202
a) my deck is based on the anime cards
b) why? wouldn't that make me deck out easier?
c) I don't really like blue eyes, I just play it because seto kaiba used it
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>>168126202
you will never deck out unless you are fighting some gimmick deck thats based around that
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>>168126304
Isn't 3 LaDDs the same as having just one?
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>>168121174
>>168121290
I don't know much bout POEM, so take everything I say with a gran of salt.

First, consistency. Odd-eyes search is slow and Abductor search doesn't seem realistic with your spell ratio. You can only search using Abductor on turn 1 if you also open Terra or Summoner's Art. I reckon there's less than 20% chance for that to happen.
Then, power. The best I can see you're doing is either Vortex+Raff or Vortex+Clearwing, and both are terribly weak with how many card you're wasting to summon them.
I can see that you're trying to summon Vortex consistently, but let's just say that even if you managed to summon Vortex, if you don't have other "strong" monster with it, or you don't have any card left to recover next turn, you're guaranteed to lose.

As for how to improve it.
I don't know.
I kinda doesn't like all those one-off when you can't search them consistently.
Dag is useless on top of being situational.
Xiangke is situational as fuck, and Oaf doesn't have anything good to fetch.
Dag is a weak play on top of situational as fuck.
Put either Treacherous or Floodgate so Raff have other option.
Maybe put Pendulum Rising and Donkey and other PP to search Sorcerer.

Or you can just wait.
Neo-magician is coming on top of other goodstuff support.
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>>168126438
yes
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>>168126417
I've come dangerously close to decking out playing PSY-Frames and Spellbooks, but granted they're stall/stun decks so it doesn't really count.

I've also once decked out a Quasar/Synchron user with First of the Dragons since he had no outs kek
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>>168126070
You need at least one alt art DMG. You also forgot the Five Headed Dragon.
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>>168126304
>turn 34
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>>168126202
>>168126284
ok I discovered I usedthe wrong black luster soldier for the fusion cardso I changed it for amulet dragon
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>>168126070
Focus on an archetype. Cards that share a name tend to help each other.

Keep it close to 40. Rarely you will find someoen using deck destruction and rarely a game will reach the point you deck out. The less cards you have, the higher the chance you draw the ones you need.

You have too many situational traps. A trap is a slow card, it has to have a lot of significance for it to be worth waiting one turn. Mirror Force has a great effect, but decks nowadays don't care if their monsters get destroyed or can destroy the set Mirror Force before attacking.

Your fusions are situational as well. Good fusions must either be vague or have powerful effects to compensate the pain to summon it.

Nowadays there exists Synchro and Xyz cards. The Dark Magician archetype had xyz they use. Those are black cards without level.

Finally, I recommend you try building a newer deck, one to teach you how to play nowadays. Game evolved a lot. Odd-Eyes Magician is a deck that uses all summonings, it may help teach you how to play
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>>168126070
>Dian Keto
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Any good decks I can run this bad boy in
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>>168126972
Nice, but where is Elemental Hero Neos? I thought this was an Anime deck.
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>>168125342
>0 (ZERO) Burial Goods
>0 Terraforming
>0 Demise of the Land
>Kuribandit
It's also quite sad, really, seeing the OCG top deck usually main 12 handtrap, almost as much as PSY-Frame, a handtrap.dek.
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>didn't listen to any of the advice
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>>168126972
Oh, so it was just bait all along.
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>>168127139
>>168127128
I can't fit any more synchros on my extra deck
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>>168127128
>>168127139
Play along faggots.
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>>168127276
>Play along
>with shit like >>168127236
the point of going too far for a "joke" has been reached
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If I've got a card like Formula Synchron on my side of the field, is it wise to wait until my opponent's turn before I make pic related? Or is it best to just make it during my turn?
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>>168126965
Majespecters, Frogs
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>>168127585
Wait till your opponent is making a big play then just Black Rose to shit all over their combo. Even regular BRD is great for that
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>>168127976
But doing it that way is one less bounce than making it during my turn.
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>>168128330
But you gotta think about it; some bounces are easier to recover from than others. And if you just leave a BRMD on board, your opponent knows what they're up against. But if you just have a Formula Synchron ready to go, you could make almost anything. The element of surprise is the greatest advantage.

tl;dr take it on a case-by-case basis
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>>168126972
>Blue-eyes
Why the fuck? You just said you didn't want it.
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>>168128814
he's b8ing you retard
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>>168128974
Why?
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>>168128768
>tl;dr take it on a case-by-case basis
And how do I judge the cases?
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>>168129653
On a case-by-case basis.
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>>168129026
That's a curious question.
Why?
Why do ones bait others?
What reason is there for ones to post something expecting a certain reaction from others?
Why did one live?
Why Ignis Heat have Monarch's stat?
Why the hell Shien ruled differently than Caligula?
What led Konami to design Digibug?
When's the next TCG banlist?
Why are you still alive?
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>went to locals this morning
>Already full blown Zoodiac everywhere

Literally everything in the top 8 was zoo. No one else was able to even compete. Even full power ABC and D/D/D failed to get going.

Honestly, Konami needs to emergency ban the deck. It's WAY to dominant.

I honestly thought the EN sets having most of the engine being Ultra/Secret rare would help a bit.

Jesus H. Christ
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>>168130013
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>>168130146
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>>168130013
>I honestly thought the EN sets having most of the engine being Ultra/Secret rare would help a bit.

Just the opposite. Having most of the engine being rare means that only those who order online and/or can drop massive amount of cash on singles/boosters stand any chance.

Though, Konami USA still hasn't put out an updated ban list yet. It's possible we might see it drop now that Raging Tempest is out. Especially if Konami USA says "fuck off" to Japan not doing anything about it. (and this has happened before)
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>>168130291
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>>168130013
>>168130403
You two think semi-limiting Rat will really be enough to slow the deck?
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>>168130523
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>>168130523
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>>168130712
Limiting Strike and D.Barrier will hurt them most, since what makes the deck so versatile is making a strong board from few resources, and having obnoxious backrow to set as leftovers.
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>>168130739
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>>168130712
It might.

I agree something needs to be done about it though. While last format was starting to get a little stale, it did have quite a good variety to it. (also I think the highest amount of rogue decks we've ever seen in a format)

Zoo is going to be a watershed moment for the game ala the old dragon rulers.
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>>168108786
And yet you can still activate another spell/trap with Shi En and Shogun on the field, because reasons.
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>>168131052
This is going to be even worse than Dragon Rulers; right now we have Zoodiac decks disguised as others, like Dracos and Metalfoes, because their engine is so fucking splashable. We need to limit Barrage, ban Rat, ban Broadbull, and only then might they drop down to about 75% usage. So in about 12 months.
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Pilica is the headpattaballest.
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>>168131385
Whore
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>>168131048
That show had the most retarded second season. Should've stopped at the cliffhanger.
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>>168131470
She is not.
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>>168131534
Slut
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>>168131052
>(also I think the highest amount of rogue decks we've ever seen in a format)

This.

We had a handful of freaking Dark Magician decks make Top 8s in regionals. That's saying something. (It's not a terrible deck, just inconsistent.)
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>>168131494
Which cliffhanger?
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>>168059910
Do you nerds seriously still play yugioh? That's beyond pathetic. Play a real game like MTG, hell even pokemon is better, and they don't reprint cards every single month.
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>>168131665
The end of the first season where they shoot each other.
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>>168131602
Stop bullying her.
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>>168131681
Teehee
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>>168131681
>Play a real game like MTG

While obvious troll is obvious, MTG isn't actually in that good a state either. Modern is basically chaos at the moment with the new set and recent bans. WOTC even knows the screwed up.
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>>168131494
>>168131736
R3 bby
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>>168131786
Play a card game where the cards hold their value longer than two weeks.
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>>168131928
>two weeks
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>>168131928
Buy viagra
Cuck
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>>168131928
>solemn, desires, barrier
m/tg/cuck go back
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>>168130842
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>>168131826

Jokes aside, yugioh is complete garbage now, and how anyone remains loyal to this game even now is beyond me.
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>>168132464
It makes me feel all shounen inside. That's it.
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>>168132356
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>>168132464
>yugioh is complete garbage now
>now
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>>168132597
Don't feed the troll
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>>168132464
I don't think I would classify it as outright bad at the moment.

Absolutely has problems:
1.) WAY to fast. Games can legit be over turn 3 with how crazy first turn boards can get.
2.) Power creep has gotten ridiculous.
3.) Special summoning from the extra deck leads to massive card advantage.
4.) Way to many XYZ/Syncro monsters have negation/can't die abilities with 3000+ attack.
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>>168090824
What's that? Frozen Lady Justice only appears in 1 duel?
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>>168133097
>WAY to fast
Nothing wrong with this.
>Power creep
Natural.
>Special summoning from the extra deck leads to massive card advantage
And yet Rat is summoned from MD.
>Way to many XYZ/Syncro monsters have negation/can't die abilities with 3000+ attack.
And yet the meta consist of monster with no "can't die abilities" and usually 0/0 ATK.
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>>168133097
Let's wait and see how Yugioh 6 will turn the game on its head before complaining about rotten metas.
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>>168132753
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>>168133097
Or turn 2 with nurse burn.

>>168133363
>nothing wrong a game being over in two turns
You are retarded. Different anon btw.
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>>168133363
>And yet Rat is summoned from MD
What the fuck do you mean by this, Rat exists to enable more Extra Deck plays, not provide presence by itself.
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>>168133557
You're getting it wrong.
The ED exist to summon Rat.

>>168133546
>everything I don't like is wrong!
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>>168133540
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>>168133740
Yes, the extra deck summons Rat to summon more extra deck.
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>>168134150
Explain this.
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>>168134150
Anon.
You should have realized you're arguing with a shitposter by the second post.
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>>168134290
That is the more extra deck summoned by rat.
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>>168134290
Can't make Emeral or Tiger King without more Rats.
It's a vicious circle mate; Rat summons Xyz to summon Rat to summon Xyz to summon Rat to summon Xyz.
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>>168134352
All that can be summoned with 1 (ONE) Rat.
Accept it, anon, they just exist there to summon Rat, not the other way.
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>>168134338
No it's just funny to me that someone could think the gameplan is
>"Awesome, I got these Rats onto my field, now I can end my turn."
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>>168133760
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>>168134612
Latest Zood end turn with just Dragon+Ram.
Your point?
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>>168134505
Then they get summoned by rat.
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>>168134776
So Dragon+Ram is the endgame so rat exists to summon them.
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>>168134668
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>>168135148
But Dragon+Ram didn't generate massive amount of advantage.
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>>168135005
But they can be summoned with 1 Viper.
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>>168135385
Yes. Rat is the engine. Rat exists to summon Dragon+Ram. Ram does not exist to summon Rat.
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>>168135526
Which means rat is not in the process and rat does not exist for anything and nothing exist for rat.
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What´s an older archetype with good card art? Got my paycheck and thought about getting a few cards to build a deck with.
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>>168135641
But if you summon them without Rat you didn't get massive amount of advantage.
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>>168135538
But you can also do that with Viper.
Without the massive amount of advantage, that is.
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>>168135745
How old are we talking? If you want to go as far back as DM, the first thing that comes to my mind is Charmers. Bare in mind that we didn't really have archetypes until the GX era.
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>>168136015
>But you can also do that with Viper.
How does Viper make multiple bodies?
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>>168136140
NOOO FUK WAIFU ART ITZ UGLY
CREEPY GROSS >>>>>OCCULT<<<<<<< STUFF IZ WEI BETTUR ART!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>168136140
Late GX would be fine, thanks.
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>>168136252
Lyca.
It's like you never play Zood.
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>>168136468
>Late GX
Neo-Spacians won an art contest. It's anime cannon.
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Whats your favorite build of Skull Servants.
Ive been playing a build with desires thats been cheesey but with lawnmowing I could easily go nuts with that throwing in stuff like shaddols.
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>>168127773
Any way to make him as invincible as obelisk?
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>>168138941
Aqua Actress and their spells n whatnot
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>>168138941
Tribute summon him with Hardened Armed Dragon
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Have you ever considered masturbating to a yugioh card?
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bustah bladah?
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>>168131681
>Play a real game like MTG
No one wants to play your SJW TCG. Go back to tumblr.
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>>168131928
>t.pissed off collector that thinks his cards should retain the same value so he can fuck over unknowning retards.
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>>168139116
How does that work?

>>168139761
So basically majespecters with like a hardened armed thrown in somewhere?
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So what happened with Dueling Book? Was it a scam? Server issues? C&D again?
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>>168131681
>not wanting reprints
The fuck is wrong with you?
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>>168146246
choose all
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>>168146126
Bet you don't have Leo Dancer lewds
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>>168146246
think "EA servers die at game launch"
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>summon your own Rat
>flip Chain Disappearance
>opponent banishes all 3 Rats
>Terrortop into Leviair to bring back Rat
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>>168148283
after sending makyura to the grave with graceful charity, of course
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i will find a way to make you useful shinato
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>>168146246
AZNEYES XTEVENS DICKRIDERS FALL FOR SHITTY PHISHING SCAM
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ded
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What is your signature card, /dng/?
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>>168153214
This now makes more sense than the current plot of Arc-V
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>>168146246
It's server issues. Whoever is running the site couldn't even get it working at like 2:00am middle of the fucking night when no one is on time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StApvCrs1wg&t

I don't know where the phishing scam meme keeps coming from but it definitely was working for like half a day.
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>>168153727
Nah. Arc-V's current plot makes sense. It just sucks
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>>168153370
Hold my drink
>mill
>ss
>xyz
>search
>xyz
>xyz
>search
>tiger ss
>xyz
>search
>drancia destroy tiger
>ss
>fusion
>recycle
>ss
>ns rabbit
>ss
>xyz
>xyz future utopia
>emerl recycle and draw
>ss
>search wolf
>fusion leo dancer
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>>168154421
I negate that with mystical space typhoon
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>>168155421
>MST'ing tiger
WATCH ME SPECIAL SUMMON HARDER
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>>168155539
I negated it with MST bruh
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>>168156016
Its a monster effect boyo.

>inb4 you're going to cry "waaah broken pendulums"
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>>168156170
A monster effect is just him using magic. MST destroys magics, dumbass
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>>168156170
MST fucking negated it brah
Don'tcha know what fukkin NEGATE is? You shouldn't even be playing Yugioh.
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banlist tomorrow, right?
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>>168158298
6 days actually
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How we looking lads?
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>>168158718
>>168158298
If last year is anything to go by, we have 11 days.
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>>168158718
POKEMON SUUUUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKKKSSSSS YUGIOH IS WAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY BEEEEETTTTTTTTEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRR
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why wait for dueling book when you can play on dueling nexus?
>>
Remind me why a lot of special summoning effects these days exclude the Damage step, like was there some fucky deck that could swarm shit during that phase or something?
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>>168159836
Because you touch yourself at night.
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>>168160194
>these days
Most ignition effects can't be activated during the damage step, the cards just are retard proof now.
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>>168161041
>the cards just are retard proof now.
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>>168161041
You're a retard proof.
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>>168161041
You're a retard, proof>>168161041
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>>168158832
drop winda to 2. maybe put in another wen if you're going to keep gold sarc at 3
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>level 10
>requires minimum 3 mats with semi-specific tuner
>effect is worse than Twin Scrap Dragon which is a level 9 and only requires 2 mats

explain this bullshit
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>>168073706
>>168074023
wtf, how supposed to deal with 3 backrow and a zoodraniac when its gg?
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>>168161746
I was thinking about that.

It does wonders at times, but the deck outright loses to ABCs if they get to go first. Zoodiacs not so much with the amount of traps you carry.
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>>168158832
What's the card after Upstart?
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>>168167796
dick barrier
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>>168167796
Do you play this game?
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>>168168037
>>168168018

Just realized I'm a fucking idiot
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>>168165715
zoos are notorious for being able to main shit like triple strike and triple barrier and still be consistent, right? That hurts rb a lot
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>>168164727
It's an old card.
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>>168158832
>diamond dire wolf

for what purpose
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>>168168642
That hurts EVERYTHING a lot
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>>168170287
yea but rb auto lose to strike/warning. at least other decks can attempt to recover
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>>168170771
I wouldn't say that, emeral can put back ulti kana if it gets struck. D-barrier, on the other hand, really fucks them over because they can't do much without fusions.
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>>168171268
emeral can put it back but then you need to somehow get 2 level 4s for it and then get the cannahawk back which will take ages
one cannahawk doesnt even matter because if it gets hit you pretty much lose, no amount of them will stop that. it hurts the rampengu plays more than anything
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>>168146701
I actually do. Just cant post it here cause its not censored. So instead have some other fanart

Also if Konami brought Scout and Killer back to 3 would Qli's be able to stop the Zoods
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>>168172213
probably, if not they could become tier 2-1
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>>168172213
saqlifice was the only qliphort card that got hit in the OCG and qliphorts still can't do jack shit to zoodiacs. drancia really fucks up the pendulum scales, so your only way to win with qliphorts is if you have skill drain on the field.
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>>168172213
Please imgur it, anon
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>>168169907
To pop Rampengu at times. But it can just be another Chidori.
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>>168173693
Alright you horny bastard. Heck I'll even throw in a Saffira lewd as well


http://imgur.com/a/PkhuV
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>>168173693
or you could do this by yourself
https://rule34.paheal.net/post/list/Lunalight_Leo_Dancer/1
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>>168173951
Anon, y-you made me want to fuck a dragon

B-Baka!

Thank you
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>>168173993
>>168173951
Normally I'd funpost about checking r34, but it had stuff I wasn't seeing on boorus or pixiv, so thanks anons
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>>168174428
Same, I found TGUs I hadn't found anywhere else on R34.
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>Game 3 against Paleozoics
>He flips Mind Crush
>Calls Jinzo
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>>168174175
>>168174428
>>168174580

Wicked Avatar r34 when?
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>>168174672
Anal beads
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>>168174672
Why
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>>168174794
Just cause I want to see what it'd look like
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What's a good decklist for DDD to be the perfect? Last time I played the deck was when they first came out. I know they run Crystal Wing and shit.
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>>168175396
>Devpro
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>>168175396
>>168089357
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>>168175554
Wow thanks, I'm literally retarded
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doubles decides what I take to YCS Seattle

triples decides the exact recipe
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>>168176358
Ghostrick Zoodiac
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>>168176358
cubics
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>>168176358
Morphtronics.
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>>168176358
pretty sure dubs are disabled on /vg/

cloudian zoodiacs just incase
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>>168176358
>need an 00 or 000
Ha ha.
Anti-Meta, Yosenju Kaiju
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>>168176703
The only dubs in /vg/ can only be made by 0s.
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>>168176358
Mystic Tomato hand destruction
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>>168177032
ctrl s, dude
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>>168176358
Shinobirds
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>>168177032
>spoler
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Check out this deck.
It got first place in a 32 man locals.
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>>168077016
only proper answer
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>>168176358
cloudians
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>>168176358
60 card highlander blackwing
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>>168176358
Lajinn beat.
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>>168158832
Why hasn't anyone put wind witches in ritual beast decks yet? They bait out d-barriers and strikes and ritual beasts get around the summoning restriction. Am I missing something?
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>>168176358
Cardians
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>>168176358
B.E.S. do it faggot
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>>168179436
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm30558227
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>>168176358
Deskbots
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>>168176358
Melodious
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>>168176358
Go for them there Morphtonics my man.
>>
Is yugiohprices a reliable website for accurate price shifts in the secondary market?
>>
So /dng/ whats an archetype you would give support to, that was made before 2015
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>>168181998
Elemental HERO
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>>168181998
Aliens
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>>168181998
Venom, just give me a fucking way to activate Rise of the Snake Deity on turn 1 without having a very specific hand or running Temple of the Kings
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>>168181998
Red-Eyes :(
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>>168181998
Cloudians
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>>168181998
Batterymen, Koa'ki Meiru, Morphtronics.
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Post fusion decks.
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>>168181998
Infernity
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>>168182167
>>168182258
>>168182296
>>168182415
>>168182478
>>168182530
>>168182618


What kinda support would they need to be relevant in todays meta of RAT?
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>>168182694
A Morphtronic tutor and a boss Synchro that isn't Power Tool Dragon.
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>>168182771
>>168182694
Koa'ki Meirus need a R4 that tutors KMs from deck and give KMs protection from targetting a la Harpie's Pet Phantasmal Dragon.

Batterymen need a R4 that can quick-effect non-targeting destroy monsters on the field by tributing an equal number of Batterymen monsters from your hand/field. Basically, 'overloading' the Battery.
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>>168181998
Guardians
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>>168182694
just unban infernity stuff and my nigga lavalval chain.
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>>168182694
Venoms would need Makyura the destructor unbanned and a trapcard searcher
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>>168181998
Jurracs
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>>168183237
so youd want something like this but probably worded better or with some other kind of additional effect then?
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>>168181998
Madolche
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>>168183439
>Really wish Venoms or just Reptiles in general would get revived.
>Konami is too scared of Snake Rain or making Vennominaga consistent to go anywhere near them.
Feels bad.
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>>168181998
Neos
>tfw you've figured out how to make all of Judai's shitty cards playable
>tfw those cards will never be real
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>>168181998
If Hands counts, I would want support for it, more trains would be cool too. If not, traptrix, ghostrick, shaddoll, gem-knights.
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>>168181998
Yubel.
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>https://ygorganization.com/unfortunatelytheydontpayme/
>8 of the top 10 are Zoodiac
>Out of 202 participants
History is repeating itself.
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>>168184469
My nigga
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>>168182478
Memes aside actual Cloudian support would be pretty cool.
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>>168184658
Just give them fishborg launcher back or a Cloudians only Fishborg Launcher
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>>168184469
>Watching GX right now
>Really enjoyed Yubel in season 3
>Halfway through season 4
>Judai gets glowy eyes sometimes but that's it
Where the FUCK is she
>>
>>168184575
>>168184575

we totally didn't see this coming
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>>168184840
*toadally
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>>168182694
E-HEROs need better Main Deck heroes or HEROs that can fuse without using Poly.
Ayy Lmaos need better cards that can abuse "A" counters or just better members besides Hominid.
Venoms need something that can abuse the hell out of Snake Rain so it can be banned/limited and the deck turned into shit once more.
Red-Eyes needs to abandon the fucking Gemini mechanic and have a useful fucking Main Deck monster that isn't Dr. Red.
Cloudians need a Stratos/RML/Pollux
Batteryman need their own Rank 4 and a Tuner to accentuate the fact that their levels are all over the place.
Koa'ki Meiru need a universal reveal card so that they don't die to themselves, and some form of targeting protection.
Morphtronics need a better Celfon and their own low level Synchro to abuse
Fuck Infernity and everything it stands for.
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>>168181998
assault mode

that shit is dead
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>>168184734
Definitely one of the best villains.

I just want a deck that's all about forcing your opponent to suicide by crashing into Her forms.
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>>168181998
Plant Princesses
>>
you think yubel massages her one breast while she strokes her penis haha
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>>168184734
She fused with Jaden, Shes a part of his soul now.
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>>168185018
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>>168185187
>she
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>>168185383
>Not named "Cloudian - Hypercane"
Missed opportunity.
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>>168185018
Modern decks have shown that Poly Fusions are just fine, as long as they search the shit out of Poly.

>or HEROs that can fuse without using Poly
So basically just overhaul Neos.
They should retrain Neos, give him some fucking effects, like a summoning condition or something, retrain all the Neo-Spacians, retrain all the Neos Contact Fusions to be actually good, AND also give them some kind of adequate synergy with E-Heroes.
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>>168185187
Yeah but the Pharaoh was a part of Yugi's soul and he still showed up most of the time

It sucks because new, so-serious, no fun allowed, fused-Judai is fucking boring
Could really go for some more clingy demon transvestite a lot of the time
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>>168185940
She shows back up later. But more as a winged Kuribo type spirit instead and she always appears behind him.
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>>168186124
That'll be good enough
The benefit of playing Yugioh before watching the shows is I know Neos Wiseman is a thing, so I know some shit will go down eventually
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>>168186124
>New Yubel support
>Gets a new angelic form that's a fusion of her and Winged Kuriboh.
I want this a lot.
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>>168186272
I wont spoil it for ya anon but some shit does indeed go down
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>>168185637
Only Neos and Alius need to be retrained, not the Neo-Spacians surprisingly.

Basically overhaul the big guy and the little guy to be able to summon themselves reliably, count as Neos while on the field or grave, and be able to fetch their Spell/Traps on Summon. Make a low level Rainbow Dragon that can pull a Sundew Kingii, and you're at least at petdeck status.

I would post examples, but I can't stand seeing CaC shit where it doesn't belong.
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>>168187539
The only Spacian with a decent effect is Grand Mole, which is evidenced by how it was Limited for the longest time, but all the Fusions suck eggs. Even if they were granted perfect consistency they'd get humiliated by the petdecks of today.
>Return to the Extra Deck at the end of the turn
Fucking what? At the very least they should search or float back into Neos upon leaving.
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>>168187539
And don't call it CaC, call it """"theorydecking"""". Now it's allowed.
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>>168188142
The solution to Neo-Spacians is to treat them like the vanilla fodder they practically are rather than as monsters that need to actually hit the field. Similar to how Wights, Hieratics, etc. treat vanillas.

I won't post CaC shit directly, but here's a link anyway.
http://pastebin.com/qdsKTC8Y
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>>168181998
darkworlds
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>>168188919
>Not Neo Neos
One job. Otherwise yeah, good stuff.
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>>168188919
Are these the one you brag can be tier 1 post-Rat?
Because no, they won't.
Even Rainbow Neos died to Dragon because his effect is SS1.

And the amount of S/T hate Zood has, can, and will main/side make the field spell may as well non-existant.
Also, still dies to D. Barrier.
Did I mention how you need to make all your monster Tower to even make it to tier 2?
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>Set Guitaars
>Special Basses discarding Drumms
>Set Empowerement
>Special Terratiger
>Make Nat Beast

Anybody ever try symphonics?
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Had someone genuinely try and argue Witch of Black Forest Cake wasn't broken today.
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>2016+1
>Got rekt by Infernoids

I'm so butthurt
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>>168191410
If it had the same wording as Sangan, it really wouldn't be.
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>>168191495
We're back bois
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>>168190696
I believe they said this would be enough to make them petdeck tier.
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>>168191005
>activate Guitaar
>discard Synthess, SS Micc
>NS Al, Al + Mic into Raideen
>recover Al, Synthess SS Micc
>NS Al, Al + Mic into Raideen
Not really.
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>>168191598
It wasn't even that level of deep an argument, just a normie going "WELL THERE'S SHIT IN THE GAME THAT CAN MAKE YOU PUT A BLUE-EYES ON THE FIELD THAT'S WAY MORE BROKEN" and i just

how do you respond to that without revealing power level a millionfold
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>>168069594
>You can Special Summon this card (from your hand) to your opponent's field in Attack Position, by Tributing 1 monster they control.
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>>168191882
whats the point of double raideen when you can semi-consistent nat beast
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>>168191864
How do people even tell Infernoids apart? Apart from Decatron and Tierra, they all look alike to me.
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>>168191878
Just Cosmic/Esper Neos + Rainbow Wyvern is enough for that.
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Went out today to get milk and saw the new set. So I bought a pack and went home. Opened it and had the sea monster of these us in it. Checked the price of the thing and just sat there confused. Why is this worth between like 20 and 40 dollarydoos? What the fuck are people using it to do? Clearly there's a combo, yeah?
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>>168191982
>3-card combo
>semi consistent
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>>168192134
instant fusion
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>>168074023
dark hole the furfag
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>>168192134
5 star tuner and instant fusion
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>>168192004
Level.
Just remember that noid with level >6 means touble.
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>>168192134
Instant Fusion-able lv5 tuner that well, it shits out T'zolkin and maybe do more shit, its Norden 2.0 if anything
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>>168080741
Infernoids
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>>168191957
>Normie

There's your problem m8. Your typical normie only knows of Duel Links shit and probably made the assumption there.

Never talk shop outside of a card shop.
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>>168192146
1-2 cards is consistent
3 cards is semi-consistent
4 cards is not consistent

?????????
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>>168191957
You could just have shown Yata-Garasu lockdown using 3 of sangan and black forest bitch
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>>168192593
>2-card
>consistent
Did you even math?
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>>168192624
They'd have still gone FLURF BUT THIS CARD SUMMONS A BLUE EYES DA NUMBER'S BIGGER SO ITS BETTER HURF
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>>168192679
2-card ftk is the standard of what a consistent FTK is, and enough to get it banned (Dancer FTK)
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Can someone tell me why Powered Inzektron is useful for crystrons?
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>>168192738
Then you could just have told him Blue Eyes white dragon sucks and if he disagrees, you match him while using zoodiacs.
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>>168192883
uses the l2 one, prevents ALL damage during the turn its summoned
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>>168192864
>FTK
>ever consistent
Hah, no.
They're killed for being near semi consistent.
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>>168192883
Level 7 machine synchro
Also protects your shit
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>>168192864
Tell that to Fusion Gate + Chain Material.
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What are the generic power cards in the format right now in your opinion? I sold some mtg cards and have about 1900 to play with.
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>>168193031
???
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>>168193123
>trap card
gee I wonder why that ones no good
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>>168192181
>>168192232
>>168192332
Ah fuck, you guys are super right. Somehow my brain didn't go straight to instant fusion, that was my mistake. Now I'm thinking of all sorts of shirt this thing might pull. Wondering now if I should sit on it on it or sell it. No chance of a ban, I'm sure, so it might go up, right?
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>>168193378
But 2-card combo is consistent!
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>>168193019
Remember when a FTK deck won the WCS?
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>>168192910
>the best thing he can come up with for Witch to chuck out is Man-Eater Bug
>he claims to be a recent player
I'm laughing so hard it kindof hurts
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>>168193472
No.
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>>168193805
It was a rhetorical question.
You already showed you don't know jack shit about YGO.
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>>168193980
Maybe.
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>>168193795
Because he's clearly lying and only understands big numbers let him know wotbf can search 3365 different cards. That'll look scary to him. Also, that was like a 10 second search on the wiki. I have no real idea how to deal with a person like that, thank god I don't show my power level enough to my normie friends for them to try talking about that kind of shit.
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Leave Zoodiacs to us!
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>>168195103
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>>168195248
What? Those aren't Traps.
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>>168195351
Yes, he's clearly a shota.
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>>168193472
Thanks Subsitoad.
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>>168194675
The worst part is he's not even THAT normie, he's just more on the strategery end of cards n boards.
Which makes his vehement defense of this shit even more ridiculous.
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>>168195248
>Ram is a shota
/ss/ with Black Sheep for maximum baaa~~ when
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>>168195532
Just bring up Exodia.
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>>168193472
>sub 32 man local with custom banlist
>mattering
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>>168088607
are you me?
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>>168195103
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>>168197278
>>168195248
Wouldn't raigeki and dark hole duck with the timing on those or am I wrong? What with their effects being related back to a single destruction and all three spells being about board wiping. At the very least they aren't traps and even the spell would require the zoo player to discard a monster for ever one they have on the field.
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>>168197851
>If
>miss-timing
Heh.
>they aren't traps
Well, yes.
Ram is a shota.
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is this game still special summon 6 turn rounds: the game?
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>>168176358
subterrors
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>tfw your laptop dies so you gotta fall back on your year 2000 Intel Pentium that you haven't used since the summer of 2015.
>the you try to download ygo pro but this toaster is so fucking slow it takes minutes for the page to load and even longer for the download button to be ready, and longer still for the file itself to download only for it to freeze as the whole browser comes crashing down.

I just want to play zarc again
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Hi, i only exist to save bitches from castel and nothing else. Ignore that 0 atk effect, kaleido won't trigger it and there are better choices for a foolish burial.

[Unless you're dueling a memer that just summoned Beelze and you have to pop that bitch and swing for win]
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>>168181998
Ojamas
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>>168199007
Everything relevant targets these days. Fox is good.
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>not playing Zoo in this day and age at Locals
Explain yourself
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>>168199845
>Spending four digits on a deck that will be banned harder than Nekroz in a few months
I'll wait for my niggas Dracos thanks.
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>>168199845
>Paying money out the wazoo for a deck that is going to get smacked fast
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>>168199949
You don't need to spend 4 digits if you actually picked up the cards at the right points, or traded.

The deck's just too good NOT to play.
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>>168200001
you were close
>>168200000
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>>168200043
A strange game, the only winning move is not to play.

Until Dracos come out.
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are kaijus decent?
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>>168200214
They're actually unbalanced.
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>>168200214
i've always wanted to try a pure kaiju deck, searching one every turn from waterfront and having shitloads of negation and stuff seemed kind of fun

and since it seems fun you can bet the answer is no they are not decent, except for using gameciel on boss monsters and slumber as a dark hole that searches, which is on the contrary, extremely good.
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>>168200214
As a tech? Heck yeah they bend certain decks over their scaly knees
As a stand alone archetype deck? Not really
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1-2 FM3
3-4 Suikoden 2
5-6 S;G 0
7-8 SV
9-0 fap then animu
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>>168176358
Buster Blader
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Is it better to make Toadally Awesome or Evolzar Laggia? Toad can negate monster effects and steal cards, but Laggia can negate summons altogether, and at least stays on the field after doing its thing.
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>>168202339
Dolkka is better.
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>>168202675
That is true, but he's sort of irrelevant when I'm able to shit out VFD for about as much effort.
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>>168202801
>can make either Toad or Laggia
>but need more effort to summon Dolkka
???
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I hate Synchro Drake with a passion. :lol
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>>168202991
I have a two card combo that allows me to make VFD plus either an Evolzar or Toad.
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>>168202339
Depends on your other cards on the hand, if you have trap holes/summon negater then Toad, if not Laggia/Dolkka.
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>>168203334
???
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>>168203564
I worded myself really badly before; I mean I can make him or Laggia in the same combo, but VFD stops monster effects from being activated at all, meaning he's less useful here even though he's generally superior.
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>>168203334
How?
AFAIK Field and the dinokids combo can't make AFD and a R4.
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>>168203943
I use Miscellanosaurus to grab another Level 4.
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>>168204045
How do you make VFD though?
With Deng Long?
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>>168204158
Yeah, you can also go into Ultimaya + Crystal Wing with the same routine, but I've found VFD is generally far superior.
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>>168204237
You only have to tech one level 1 tuner right?
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>>168204316
Jurrac Aeolo, yeah. I've been testing running two in case I want to make something like Naturia Beast instead of an R4, but it just isn't as good.
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>>168204641
Only one should be used, run too many techs and your consistency will drop considerably.
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>>168204721
Exactly.
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>>168204641
por que no los dos?
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>>168205024
>No backrow
>No cards left in hand
So a five card combo. Meh.
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>>168205024
Dies
To
Sphere
Mode
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>>168205330
What if due to sphere mode and kaijus the TCG prints an archetype with boss monsters immune to tributing?
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>>168205330
Will we start seeing a trend of boards which avoid having more than 2 monsters on the field just in case they get Sphere'd?
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>>168205440
To make it less obvious their clause will be
>Cannot be Tributed, or used as a Fusion, Synchro, or Xyz Material for a summon
and the deck will revolve around returning monsters to the hand to summon stronger ones, sort of like U.A.
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>>168205524
no, because no one uses spehe mode you idiot
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>>168205524
>>168205663
Soon.
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>>168205693
Floating field degeneracy sounds like a plan. Thanks random Mound buff.
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>>168205663
Not YET.
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now with Kaiju protection

>buh muh meme beach ball
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>>168205947
Still no hand and no backrow. It's as if you're asking to get humiliated.
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>Play a Dinosaur deck
>they're merely tools to summon Dragon monsters
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>>168206085
It's pretty difficult to defeat that field unless you're pretty lucky.

>>168205947
Dolkka isn't needed since you already have VFD.
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>>168205947
Activates Dark Hole and Slumber.
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>>168206152
Dragons are just better dinos anyway
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>>168206152
Do you know what Evols are? They're Reptiles that summon Dinosaurs that you use to Xyz summon Dragons. It's a crappy Evolution theme.

Rank-Up for Evolzars that turn them into Wyrms when?
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>>168206296
No
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>>168206286
fuck your spells
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>>168205947
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>>168206472
Tribute face-down TD trap to summon Majesty Maiden.
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>>168206472
>Summon this with an Evoltile
>It gets weaker
Seriously what was the point
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>>168205947
>>168206472
Nigger what makes a deck good isn't what kind of field it can make, it's what kind of field it can make consistently.

Your cherry picked fields born from stacked hands are meaningless.
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Don't mind me.
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>>168206652
VFD + Nat Beast is pretty damn easy to shit out.
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>>168206652
>stacked hands

You literally only need the field, which is 3 copies plus 3 Terraforming and any of the level 2 babies which are 6 cards plus 6 searchers for them with Oviraptor and Fossil Dig.
You only end up without hand because you use whatever you have as fodder for the true kangz.
Not saying is super consistent but you also shouldn't be spewing stupid shit.
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>>168206637
To this day I'm sure that was an error, and it was originally meant to GAIN 500 attack instead.
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>>168206937
Then you're doing something seriously wrong, cause Field + Baby is an effortless VFD + R4.
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>>168206490
>>168206561

Fine, then try getting over these fields then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY3lgXI51qQ
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>>168207201
Which field?
I'm not giving you free view.
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SUPER DUPER MEGA SEKRIT ANTI-ZOODIAC TRUE DRACOS TECH
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>>168206818
Post list
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WHERE'S THE LEAKS?
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SUPER DUPER ZOOPER ULTRA HYPER MEGA SEKRIT ANTI-ZOODIAC TRUE DRACOS TECH
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>>168208384
>>168208748
ZA SUPPORT
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>>168176358
Spellbooks
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post em
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http://www.yugioh-card.com/uk/news/detail.php?id=2256
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>>168210919
We /starchips/ now?
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http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/press-release/2017-02-12/winter-brings-a-raging-tempest-and-blistering-cold-fusions-in-the-yu-gi-oh-trading-card-game/.112163

>Invocation
>Omega Summon
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>>168212015
>Invocation
No surprise here.
Al becomes Invoker, so Invocation for Summoning Magic is the only way.
>Omega Summon
This card?
Man, they ruined the ambience.
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>>168212363
>inb4 the summoning method of Yugioh 6 is Omega Summon, and KoA fucked everything up yet again
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>>168176358
PSY-Frame
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>>168176358
an evilswarm-syncro hybrid.
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I pulled a broadbull in my first pack of raging tempest, should I sell it now in case of emergency banlist or wait until YCS atlanta when it spikes?
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>>168217901
Sell it now and take no chances.
Better to get a good amount of cash now rather than hope for a little bit more and end up getting blindsided by the banlist.
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>>168217901
I'd wait.
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>>168217901
You have 50/50 chance as it is now
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>>168217901
I got a Drident and Barrage, they're both sitting on Ebay underpriced. I'm quick-selling the shit out of them.
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>>168217901
I don't think they will emergency banlist it.
Simply limiting Rat kills the degeneracy.
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>>168219645
Limiting Rat also kills the point of her effect and might as well ban her.

Rat is either getting banned or semi-limited. That if Konami doesn't kill something else in the deck like Drancia for the lulz
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>>168219713
Killing Broadbull would remove Drancia from being a splashable R4, even without Rats. Whose bright idea was it to make him generic?
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>>168219713
>That if Konami doesn't kill something else in the deck like Drancia for the lulz
We all know Konami will do this

>Drancia Limited
>Bull Limited
>Tigress Limited
>Rat untouched
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>>168220004
Not gonna happen, unless they ban Lyca too.
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>>168220012
That wouldn't be the worst end.
>Ban every Zoodiac boss
>Leave the main deck alone
If it worked for Dragon Rulers, it can work here.
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>>168220204
It wouldn't do anything because 1 of each is still plenty enough for the engine to function, and their recycling trap still exists for the Rat to dump.
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>>168220325
There literally isn't an engine without any Xyz monsters. Rat can't do shit by itself.
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Remember ABC?
Remember how people said that ABC will get hit next banlist?
Hangar to 1, Dragon Buster to 1?
Dragon Buster to 0?
C to 1?
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>>168220439
Dragon Buster is one of the few monsters that can go toe to toe with Drancia, except he requires considerably more effort to make. That's right, Zoodiacs made ABC's look complex by comparison.
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>>168220439
Remember how we havent gotten a new banlist since their release? Not that i think they warrant a hit anymore mind you.
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>>168220439
That was before Konami went super super retard and powercreeped everything
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>>168220413
Note that the poster you were replying to said LIMITED, not BANNED. They would not ban every Zodiac Xyz because then the deck becomes completely and entirely unplayable and defeats their gimmick. I don't even know what you're getting at with Dragon Rulers, because they were just 4 cards. 8 if you count the TCG-original babies (you shouldn't) that lost all purpose after the bans.

Limits are much more likely if they hit the Xyzs at all, but that still allows the Rat to function as it always has. It's much simpler and cleaner to just semi-limit or ban that one card that's causing problems, rather than the usual KoA strategy of hitting everything but. But since it's them we're talking about, who knows what'll happen.
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>>168220826
>because then the deck becomes completely and entirely unplayable and defeats their gimmick
Your point being? That gimmick was a mistake.
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>>168220607
>few monsters that can go toe to toe with Drancia
>entire Paleo and Kozmo ship
>few monsters

>more effort = complex
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>>168219713
>Limiting Rat also kills the point of her effect and might as well ban her.
Well, the baby Rulers aren't banned are they?
It's Konami's subtle "fuck you".
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>>168220947
Oh gosh, so why aren't we using Paleos and Kozmos to top and beat Zoodiacs!?
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>>168220718
Don't remind me.
I'm still in denial.

>>168220750
You think they won't do the exact same thing with Zood?
YGO 6 is coming.
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>>168220929
How many times has Konami ever completely gutted an ENTIRE archetype in a banlist to the point that their entire purpose for existing has been neutered? Performages, I'll give you that one, but their problems were much more widespread than Zodiac's. The worst and most likely scenario that'll happen is they'll hit it into petdeck-levels of playability.

Good job ignoring the rest of the post, too.
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>>168221082
That's the power of an archetype.
Rat specifically.
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>banish this card from your graveyard
fuck you konami, not everything in the game needs to float
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>>168221118
This isn't a tier 0 deck with a problem card here and there that make it broken; this is one giant clusterfuck of a deck that should've never been printed. The only solution is to cull them all.
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>>168221196
>during either player's turn
fuck you konami, it's my turn, not his turn
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>>168221264
It literally IS a tier 0 deck with a single problem card that makes it broken. That's the point I'm trying to make. Rat is broken because of the absurd advantage it gives you. Two free monsters for going through the paces you'd already be going through, and you can do it without your Normal Summon thanks to Elemental Triangle/Barrage. A free Rank 4, fodder to tribute, fodder for Lithosazim, it's absurd.

Hit Rat and Barrage, and all the deck can do (engine-wise, that is) is get out a Viper-equipped Drancia and maybe a non-Xyz-able Level 4 from Lyca. Drancia by itself isn't scary at all. It's just a fucking quickplay card pop, and if your deck can't get past that, you need to revise how you play the game.

1 card Xyzs might be bullshit, but powercreep is everywhere, and it's only going to get worse. The sooner you accept that and that it's not going to end, the better.
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>>168221264
I'm sorry, but objectively, Zood is just "a tier 0 deck with a problem card here and there that make it broken"
The rest of your post is just your shitty opinion.
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Fucking Deltas. The hell was wrong with Konami when they made them?! Too OP, fuck them. Deltas ruined Yu-Gi-Oh!
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>>168221474
>>168221481
Fuck off Zoodiacunts, your furry deck will be banned and you know it.
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>>168222030
>denial
What's the next phase, again?
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>>168220750
>tfw even vanillas aren't safe from the powercreep
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>>168222030
You dumbass, I do run them and I'm completely advocating for the engine getting gutted. I'm just being realistic because there's no way in hell they're going to completely gut the entire deck itself - which would have to ban somewhere around 7 cards or so - instead of the engine that almost any deck can splash it at the cost of 3-5 maindeck spots and some of your extra deck.

Get your head out of your ass and stop baiting for replies.
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>>168222087
The only phase is anger.
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>>168222149
They've been doing that since forever
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>>168221631
Yeah, fuck Deltas.
Duel now becomes who the hell use more Delta.
That clusterfuck of a mechanic should be banned, buried, and forgotten.
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>>168222228
I'm not saying what they will do, I'm saying what they should do. The other option is recall every Zoodiac card ever printed and collectively burn them.
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>>168222228
>I'm just being realistic because there's no way in hell they're going to completely gut the entire deck itself
And even for that, we might go through the cycle the OCG did where they pretended to hit enablers first too
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>>168222418
>hah! take that, terrortop!
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>>168222758
>Good luck winning with only one Tenki suckers!
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>>168222758
>Where's your free r3 without using your normal now?
>Oh wait here it is
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>>168223432
>They printed this just so they would have something to ban before Rat
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>>168195248
ram fanarts when?
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Anyone have that Drake and Josh edit of the fat kid holding up Sphere Mode?
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>tfw fusion enforcers in less than two weeks
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Would starting lp at 12000 really slow down the game that much? Is there anything Konami can do to significantly slow the game down outside of mass banning cards? Do you guys think Toadally awesome will be hit in the tcg?
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>>168226032
Nothing unrelated to Zoodiacs has to be hit at all.
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>>168226032
>Is there anything Konami can do to significantly slow the game down outside of mass banning cards?
Change some core rules of the game.
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>>168226032
>Would starting lp at 12000 really slow down the game that much?
No, the game doesn't revolve around lp, it revolves around winning the die roll and going first to set up an unbreakable board.
Is there anything Konami can do to significantly slow the game down outside of mass banning cards?
end the series and start over
Do you guys think Toadally awesome will be hit in the tcg?
no, why would it?
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>>168226358
>set up an unbreakable board
And yet the current t0 end board dies to Raigeki and everything that targets.
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Does anyone here go to locals and play fun decks? I've been wanting to give a Magnet Warrior deck a shot now that the Delta dude is out, any ideas on some cool ass shit to play?
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>>168226632
It's almost like Zoodiacs don't run a ton of s/t, protection effects included.
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>>168226813
That's the only reason I go to my Locals, people are very chill and glorify gimmicks and petdecks there.
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>>168226632
ill take the bait. it's a one of that cant even be searched. zoodiacs also run 4 solemns and 3 barrier
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>>168226884
>unbreakable board from unsearchable S/T
Oh yeah, baby.
TT.

>>168227213
>one of
Dark Hole, Slumber, Torrential.
>4 solemns and 3 barrier
Unsearchable shit everyone can use.
Doesn't protect from Raigeki.
Did I mention that set solemn/barrier is easily breakable?
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>>168227685
Every man and their dog is using Starlight Road if you haven't noticed.
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@7685
dont reply to it
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>still no banlist
>arc-v thread is kill

Y-YAMERO
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>>168227864
>more unsearchable shit
>dies to CC/Typhoon/MST
Woah.
UNBREAKABLE, WOAH.

>Every man and their dog is using Starlight Road
Have you checked recent tops?
Get with the times, granpa.
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>>168228150
Do you think Destroyer have a chance to go back to 3?
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>>168228287
They've probably forgotten about it.
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>>168226032
I just want a bigger extra deck. For fuck's sake, konami, like 5 more cards wouldn't hurt that much since we aready have to be prepared for everything
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>>168228150
Well, blame Ono for having the great idea of a 2-part recap.
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Fucking finally.
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>>168229983
It's not that bad stop being an over dramatic faggot.
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>>168234370
Fuck off, Trip.
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>>168234486
It is that bad.
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>>168234486
Fuck the hell off Arc-V faggot. Arc-V is garbage.
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I know we are about to die, but I have a few questions and I was wondering if you guys could help me out.

Im gonna repost this in the next thread too when its made.

So what decks does "Zombie World" hurt besides ABCs and cyberdragon kaiju. Who are big targets to side it in/out against?

My body as a shield has been a good tech against zoos and has been helping like crazy (thanks anon), but besides tellar, who all should I side it out against?

What would you guys consider tier 0 and 1, so I can study any whatnot.

Ive asked a lot of questions of this general of the past few weeks, and I deeply appreciate the help I have been getting. Despite the shit posting, this is the least shit place to talk about the game, so thank you all. I will pay dng back, i promise.
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>>168237146
It's decent against magispecters and blue-eyes.
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Four more posts, you can do it.
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She's cute
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This is my rat. Say something nice to it.
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>paying 1000 bucks for a yugioh deck
why would you do this?
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>trap stunning burgers
>mfw
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>>168229892
literally fuck OFF
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coming back from a 4 month long hiatus. i feel like playing demise gravekeepers with an absolutely massive trap lineup.

is necrovalley good in the current format? any thoughts on GKs in general?
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>>168242258
Yes, necrovalley got a final errata that halted completely anything that self bounces (i.e. Paleozoics)
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>>168242592
Dank law isn't bad unless you're playing a search happy, graveyard controlling deck, and in the case of negrovalleys, you can rectumize heros easily, watch out for that tretoad though
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this is my list from last year

is darklaw still insane? anything i should definitely be adding that has been recently released?
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PAGE 10 YOU FAGS
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>>168242910
>>168242910
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>>168242839
two suggestions
Remove either one of the mirror forces, you either play quaking or drowning
Remove stardust and starlight
Remove dark law and mask change
Add 3 Dimensional Barriers
Add my body as a shield or put TT in main deck
And with the four free ED spaces i gave you, put Utopia THE LIGHTNING and put something else in the 2 spaces or keep dark law if you want
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