AGDG - Amateur Game Development General

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RPGMaker games are forever gone from Steam now no matter how well done they are right?

Anyone else slipped back into depression and became suicidal?

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adding more shit to ui
now you can read descriptions, equip items, and equip rings
all of this stuff was in the previous ui but now I've had to re-add it to the new one so it's kind of reading old ground and it's incredibly tedious
at least it looks better now

>R.I.P. 1MAs edition

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Made monsters with random placement, next step is to make doors and an actual character and combat, turns.

>>167995284
cool a minesweeper roguelike

>>167995137
Are you referring to the Steam direct thing or what

Greenlight is kill, but what stops people from using early access instead?

is there a way to view sales on itch.io?

Why do you think your single player game maker demo belongs on steeemeeem ANYWAYS

>>167995917
politely ask the dev.

>>167995917
Go to your dashboard

>>167995727
Of course.

I live in a shithole country, it is not even covered by Kickstarter and 5k here would put me in big dept.

>>167995917
https://itch.io/games/on-sale

>>167996073
You cheeky fuck.

>>167995917
>>167995969
>>167995991
>>167996073
shit, I should have realized how ambiguous that sounded.


I meant "sales" as in how many people downloaded the game

similar to the way you could view the number of people played a game on Steam

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made a debug console.

What are some useful commands I should implement?

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You're a big fish.

>tfw work limits me to working on my comfyjam game only a few hours a day and I only have one day off before the 14th
>tfw I can finish the actual game in under a day, but the animations are taking way longer than I anticipated

jobs are compensated rape

>>167996186
make one so that the pixels don't squish

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>>167995172
It does look really good, frostdev.

Decided to increase aspect ratio from 640x360 to 640x480 but that is going to have to wait til tomorrow. In the meantime was sketching out how I would eventually like the dialogue boxes and stuff to look instead of what I currently have now.

>>167996141
At least for the moment, they don't expose that info. They're actively developing the platform, perhaps you could shoot them an email.

>>167996141
I don't think so. Only the developer can view their games analytics.
Even with Steam you can't view the analytics of a game. Steam Spy just guesses based on number of people playing, or whatever. And you can't view how many people are playing itch.io games.

>>167996212
comfy as fuck my man, I'm liking this.

>>167996315
>>167996141
FYI steam doesn't directly expose this data either. Steamspy pieces it together from concurrent players, youtube videos, and other indirect measurements. Frankly directly revealing sales data without the dev's consent is not good.

Itch could do an opt-in scheme, tho.

If you really want to know, just ask the fucking dev.

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>>167996141
>tfw zero sales

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MAJOR UPDATE:

Give some cartouches hieroglyphs.

>>167996625
Time to go free-to-play with ads and/or DLC

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>>167996625
are you me from a few months ago

>>167996625
>>167996908
How does this work? Are all those downloads from giving away the game for free?

>>167996908
>>167996625
Demos?

I'll do a rhythm game for comfy jam.

Can a rhythm game be comfy? Yes it can, rhythm heaven was comfy.

>>167996908
holy shit not a single donation?

Someone make an allegiance clone and I'll suck your mountain dew.

>>167997135
I'm the guy with 2700 downloads. My games are just from various game jams, so they're all free. I haven't made a full game worth selling yet. Also I haven't made a paypal or turned on purchasing yet, so even if someone wanted to buy a game just to support me, they couldn't.

Anyone looking for an artist to work on their game?

>>167997908
sure what artist are you using?

>>167997346
>Also I haven't made a paypal or turned on purchasing yet, so even if someone wanted to buy a game just to support me, they couldn't.

...So why the fuck are you complaining then?

>>167997996
Because a joke.

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>>167997996

>>167997135
>>167997229
Demos.
>>167997270
Disabled that.

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Trying to add some of that "JUICE" you guys go on and on about.

>>167998769
I like it 300x better than last time, good job.

Although, that was because you put in a charged attack when everything gets 1-shot.

>>167998769
Can you offset their animations a bit so they're not all happening at the exact same time? That shit always looks awkward as fuck.

>>167999576
I was thinking about that. Should be fairly easy to add a state where they pause for a random odd number of frames

>>167998769
Looks very anime, nicely done.

>>167996186
hey you're back. neat.

that backround is fantastic.

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>>167999576
>>167999637
Just for you

>>168000198
Nice.

>>167996186
Health and movement speed modifier, room speed modifier, command that pauses all entities except the player, command enabling you to freely pan the camera anywhere, tongue length modifier

>>168000198

Nice! That looks so much better.

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I won't spam this or nothing- I just figured I'd ask once in this thread since I still haven't solved it since last thread. OKAY, SO:

As you can see, there's something off with the Z axis. At the start, everything looks to be working fine, but once I shift the angle, zooming in and out actually moves the camera to the sides, and by the time I turn all the way around, the zooming is completely reversed. So yeah, Z axis. Seems like it's focused on a single angle instead of adjusting to the player.

If you want to see my script for the camera zoom, I will paste it below. If you think it's something else, please tell me so that I might fix it. Thanks!

public class ZoomCamera : MonoBehaviour {

// FUCK
void Start() {

}


void Update() {


if (Input.GetAxis ("Mouse ScrollWheel") > 0)
{
//GetComponent<Camera> ().fieldOfView--;
GetComponent<Transform>().position = new Vector3(transform.position.x,transform.position.y-.3f,transform.position.z+.2f);
transform.Rotate(-2, 0, 0);

}
if (Input.GetAxis ("Mouse ScrollWheel") < 0)
{
GetComponent<Transform>().position = new Vector3(transform.position.x,transform.position.y+.3f,transform.position.z-.2f);
transform.Rotate (2, 0, 0);
//GetComponent<Camera> ().fieldOfView++;

}

// transform.position = new Vector3(Mathf.Clamp(transform.position.x), (transform.position.y, 0.0f, 0.0f), (transform.position.z, 0.0f, 0.0f));

}

}

>no replies in 20 minutes
Alright I want to see your 20 minutes of progress, /agdg/. Post that progress!

>>168001608
If it were me, I'd do something where I find the vector for the direction from the character to the camera, and then increase the magnitude, so you're basically lengthening or shortening a line drawn between the two. Not on a PC so can't test this but it feels right.

---

public class ZoomCamera : MonoBehaviour {

public GameObject player; \\ Fill this with a reference to the player object
private float scrollAmount; \\ Amount to scroll with each frame

void Update() {

Vector3 dir = player.transform.position - this.transform.position;
float distance = Vector3.Distance(player.transform.position, this.transform.position);

if(Input.GetAxis("Mouse ScrollWheel") != 0)
{
float newMagnitude = Mathf.Max(1, dir.magnitude + scrollAmount * Mathf.Sign(Input.GetAxis("Mouse ScrollWheel"))
this.transform.position = player.transform.position + dir.normalized * newMagnitude;
}

}

>>168002875
I was thinking of ideas the whole time

>>168003071
Geez, I'm tired. I forgot a semicolon on the second-to-last line of code, and also I made a distance variable that I don't need because I used the magnitude instead. Time to kill myself.

>>168001608
when you change camera position, you don't factor in how camera is rotated
you might need to determine the vector between camera position and player position (or it's x and y components) and advance the camera in that or opposite direction. the shift on z axis would be the same as in current code

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>>168002875
I didn't see the point in stopping so I went ahead and changed the aspect ratio of the project. I did a side by side comparison with another danmaku (2hu) to show the obvious difference in the amount of space I gained. I think this is going to work out well (not going to redo the HUD, at this point the placeholder is going to be replaced anyway I think)

>>168003224
>>168003071
Dude, I can barely write code- shit, it'll probably make me a while just to copy the code you've written here- the fact that you're so concerned over a single error does nothing but demonstrate your expertise in the area, so I wouldn't worry about it if I were you.

>>168003309
>you might need to determine the vector between camera position and player position
I genuinely have no clue how I'd go about doing that, but at least I have an objective to tackle now instead of wandering aimlessly! I appreciate it.

>>168003647
You said you liked my billboard sprites last thread, and I wanted to say thank you. I was gone when you posted that, I would've replied.

>>168003878
The sprites and general effect really did look good though. It is pretty exciting to see what will become of it all!

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Made dead version of the crab, for the brain monster to emerge from

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ayy

>>168003878
You should consider looking at some of the scripts contained in Unity's standard assets. There are some good all-purpose camera scripts in there that you can customize to suit your needs.

>>167996186
iddqd

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>>168004250
Live version for comparison.

Would've liked to do more with the face, but I don't have the texture space for it...

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>>168004261
i saw you too, pigpen.

>>168004426
God, I wish downvoting helped.

>>168004426
>>168004261
>not linking here so we can give you Yes votes easily

>>168004502
wow edgy

>>167996186
WHENS

GWYN

>>167996186
>square shadow
ABORT

>>168004261

Burn it with fire

>>168004917
put your name back on and kys

>>168005413
wow edgy

>>168004339
I will check it out more thoroughly this time. I already fumbled about with the third person camera, and it did not do what I needed from it, but I can look again to make sure.

>>168003973
Thank you- let's hope a lot. Hope yours turns out amazing too.

>>168003071
>>168003224
For whatever reason this seems to instantly teleport the camera to what I presume is the player position. I can't really tell since it's so zoomed in you don't even see the sprite anymore, but that's my assumption. But thank you for trying!

>>167995137
Wasn't undertale an rpgmaker game?

>>168006097
Gamemaker.

>>168006097
gm

>>168006097
His jab was that poors using shit tools to crap out games won't be able to afford the new thing, not that they're not allowed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht0zyWjMoC8

In case anyone wanted something a little more substantial than a 5 second webm, I got bored and made this

>>168006270
Something about your specific type of 8-bit sounds is really piercing on the ears

>>168006928
Interesting. Are there any ones in particular?

>>168006973
The very first thing that plays in the video, the main menu song

>>168006270
you and / or your audio guy need to test on a variety of speakers
shit's harsh
is that even famitracker

>>168007138
The music is all made in PXTone.

>>168007272
I was about to ask how you could make things sound so shrill in famitracker, but I guess that explains that

>>168007010
>>168007401
I'll bring it up tomorrow

>>168004250
>>168004405
Plenty of detail as it is and a very nice aesthetic. Any idea what kind of gameplay you are going for?

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I just put my game on Greenlight. Anybody who's been through this before have any pointers?

Not gonna shill it, no worries.

>>167999982
thanks

>>168000739
good ideas thanks.
tongue length will be an upgrade ;)

>>168004363
yes good idea

>>168004987
IDK

>>168005049
owlboy did it so im ok with it

>>168007713
I'm so sorry for your loss.

>>168007713
Did you post your game progress here? If so you should still post it here.

Also hard to give pointers without seeing your game. Unless your game is irredeemably shitty you should make it through greenlight... eventually...

>>168007713
Protip: Yes votes are the only thing that matters. You need a raw Yes score to get through. No amount of No votes will affect you.

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>>168008096

Yup, it's irredeemable in the eyes of many.

>>168008132

I heard that before, that's pretty weird.

>>168007713
>>168008314
>not reading the thread
shyggydgtt

>>168008314
Make an appeal to the fanbase you got during demo day. You had that one guy willing to donate multiple times. It is time to tap your target audience, anon. No shame in that game.

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>he doesn't use ternary operators

>>168008314
your girls look too normal and I hate it

>>168008314
Oh that. Your game looks like it will be greenlit extremely fast.

>>168007713
You can shill it here, its fine
And don't worry when your traffic literally stops after a few days. You'll either get manually approved by valve or get grandfathered in when they close the system, imo

>>168008510
>no inflation
>no diapers
>no quadra penis
>no shitting dicknipples
WHY EVEN LIVE

>>168008510

Could you elaborate? Are you talking about the normal clothing and natural colors?

I that a lot. People want flashy I think.

>>168008787

I'm aware of the changes coming, but I figured I'd risk it if it saves me 4900 bux.

>>168006032
Yeah, it'll do that if you never give scrollAmount a value because it's basically setting the zoom to 0 no matter what. Should've mentioned that before, wasn't thinking about it.

if my game is intended to be played with keyboard or gamepad, do I have to waste time making the menus work with the mouse?

>>168008971
Actually this might not necessarily be the problem but I'm tired so I'm gonna stop trying to troubleshoot this. Maybe it gets you on the right path anyway. haha

>>168009029
Usually if you let people use a certain input for menus they expect those same inputs to be usable in the actual game.

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Small progress, mods in the list except the active one now fade when you're under them.

Should I put my game on Greenlight before the new system comes out?

>found a bunch of good models
>.max
>can't open in blender because proprietary software
>3dsmax doesn't have a limited free edition

Proprietary softwares are fucking bullshit.

>>168009656
Grass / grass details look neat, but the pathway looks like it's a different artist's style. The dots are too pixelly while everything else is more or less smooth.

Also you should probably establish a better foreground(characters)/background contrast. With those colors / noise levels you'd probably be better off with outlines on your characters. Otherwise you'd have to make a dark/light contrast, or a more extreme use of contrasting colors.

But I'm a shitty hack, so, feel free to take that with a grain of salt.

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>>168008883
Natural colors are okay, because I wouldn't even look at it if it was neon-colored garbage, but the wardrobes are just really boring for a dating sim. I'd want flashier clothes for advertising,

>>168009656
>Should I put my game on Greenlight before the new system comes out?
Probably a good idea. Gotta make sure you have enough stuff to make a decentish trailer, though.

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Hey, can I get some input on performance? It should be better now, but on a few computers it seems way worse.

preece.github.io/Frauki

>>168009843
Thanks for the input, taking notes but probably won't fix it until final release, I've put off the demo for months now and I just want to get something out.

>>168010020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jez8-FBClGs

Threw this together a while back. The piano sounds pretty bad though.

Well the camera Z axis is fixed with this new code, but now every other scroll on the wheel works. So, the first scroll will work, but the second scroll will phase into the ground, then the third will go back to a normal working view, and so on.

Not begging for help, just updating on current progress.

>>168009656
>>168009843

took the words out of my mouth.
looks neat but need contrast, especially if you're opting for sprites without pixel outlines.

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>>168010115
There seems to be a consistent black screen for me, on 3 different browsers I've tried. Sorry, looks like I can't even try it out. :(

>>168010545
Can you open the console with Ctrl Shift J and paste any errors? Also, sometimes it takes a couple minutes to download. And there isnt any sort of loading screen yet

Thanks <3

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>>168010614
Here ya go.

>>168010269
If you dont already know about breakpoints, now would be the time

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>>168010115
Not the other guy but I got a black screen as well, here are the errors

>>168010834
>>168010864
Oops, I made a boneheaded error. It should be fixed now. Sorry friends

>>168010854
Then it's really a blessing in disguise that I'm having this problem, huh! Can't make an omelette without breaking a few points if you know what I'm saying.

>>168007713
dont worry about it, they're probably just going to wave everyone through when they kill it
i put whip the vote on there just yesterday to take advantage of that, hopefully that skips the new fee bullshit too.

>>168010854
Wait if you mean the red shit on the side, nothing is coming up. There aren't any errors. The only one I've gotten is it telling me that scrollAmount doesn't have a value, but then I'll give it one like 0.1f or something and it just changes out much scrolling does, it doesn't stop the glitchy shit.

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Nevermind. Doesn't matter anyway. I just lost all the camera work I did. My sprite won't even move anymore. And I relaunched Unity after the crash so it erased the temp backup.

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>>168011480

>>168011480
You need version control, friend. It takes only a few hours to learn something like Mercurial, and it can potentially save you hundreds of hours.

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Alright agdg what are some do's and don'ts for kickstarters.

>>168011031
Googs did you not even tweet about going on GL?

>>168011696
do not be bokudev
don't be bokudev

>>168011225
A breakpoint is a spot in the code where the game will pause when it reaches it, and you can do all kinds of things like mouseover variables to see what they are, so youd probably be able to find out why your values are getting set to this or that

>>168011696
Every single frame of the trailer needs to have a campfire somewhere

>>168011747
doesnt matter.

>>168010115
my pc is a monster but i played your game on FF just fine, i must say i really enjoyed the movement although it took me a while to figure out the buttons :P rather solid 60fps

>>168011696
>kickstarting bokudev
Look, your artstyle is not that bad but you really need to deflate if you really think you can make a kickstarter out of this.

People are not stupid anymore.
... actually, nvm. Try it, it's their money not mine.

>>168011993
Thanks!! Glad it worked, even if you have a good PC. The game is meant for gamepads mostly, and for that there are some hints in the tutorial area. I need to rethink the keyboard controls :|

>>168011974
RIP googems morale
;_;7

>>168012118
i didnt bother to publicize social interaction trainers greenlight either
it never mattered.

>>168012170
but we're your friends

>>168012226
>completing games left and right
>not a yesdev
u wot

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pure's made a run video all of the sudden. shows off the current state of the game. think i'll link it up here while he's asleep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht0zyWjMoC8

>>168012410
>googum
>steamchat
you are profoundly confused

>>168012237
as a friend i will explain greenlight to you...
if you care about it you will think "why is it taking so long? why are there so many no votes? why does everyone hate my game?"
if you dont care you just have to wait and after some point (months, year, whatever) you'll get an email saying you got through. all there is to it.

>>168012410
>free advertising for googum by getting butthurt about him at every turn

>>168011696
Have an already existing fan base which is big enough to kickstart your project, or have an idea which is so stupid it'll go viral on the net.

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>>168012581

>>168012514
also i should mention the second is superior.... that way you can wait until when you actually know you have distribution before blowing your load on marketing/press activity whereas getting press to get through greenlight and then greenlight's incomprehensible process takes too long and fucks up your pacing then you're just getting fucked around.

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>>168004870

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=861422389

>>168012770
Thanks for your support!

Please leave a comment below and let the developer know why you're excited about their game.

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>tfw you live long enough to witness the end of gogem

>>168012581
Oh jesus... its the insane person from last night. RIP thread

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>>168012849

>>168012770

Thanks again guy who always posting for me when I'm not checking the thread!

>>168008314
>Hippie
>gmrgrrl
>Athletic
>Shy substitute teacher that makes you afraid to stand up and speak.

I gotta know man

The one on the right

Is that a deer or a chipmunk?

>>168013169

Chipmunk

>>168011696
There is NO way your kickstarter would succeed.

>>168013309
At least tell him why? I think it looks like a nintendo game and could suck up some nintendrones to fund it.

>>168011696
Be as good as this game looks.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/lanzegames/pixel-princess-blitz-sandbox-roguelike-action-rpg

>>168011969
>>168011830
Both of these my question is WHY.

>>168011696
1. advertise your kickstarter because launching it
2. your kickstarter is itself an advertising campaign, treat it as such, a good one gains momentum over time as more and more people hear about it
3. ask for realistic amounts of money
4. don't make rewards too expensive for yourself to produce
5. the minimum "getting the game" tier is what most people will pledge, think carefully what that tier is

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Added jump kick frames. They are pretty hard to see since the kick moves make you move at incredibly high speeds. I'll have to add landing frames later.

Almost halfway done with the non-attacking sprites. After that set is done, I'll work on the physical-based attack sprites. Although, I still don't have a clear idea of how I want the weapon to look like in most cases.

>>168013448
Is it bad that I think bokube looks more enjoyable to me than that rpg pixel-shit meme waifu anime kickstarter game. If steam is flooded with tons of indie shit i'd say kickstarter is flooded with that kinda shit.

>>168013623
Yeah, you have shit taste. You'd better fix that.

>>168012582
Boku should steal some of the nintendo fanbase. He already steals their art.

>>168011696
Don't: make a kickstarter
Do: make a patreon instead

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my webmforbakas is broken so just a screencap but holy fuuuck particles are fun to play with

>>168013714
*Make both

>>168013714
everyone knows bokudev has a shit patreon with only 1 person donating TOP KEK how sad.

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>>168009898

Well, I think the left one needs a loose long coat that hangs down like some sort of cape or robe like Stevie Nix or something. Or a cowboy hat. Wizard or cowboy.

I like the sweater dress on the 2nd. Maybe more shoulder? Does kind look like a giant black blob but it brings out the face more. There's an entire realm of meme sweaters but black really looks like the right color.

3rd needs like a logo or something on her shirt. Maybe the AGDG logo

I have no ideas on the 4th.

After that you're into contextual fashion like swimsuits or winterwear.

At what point should you start advertising your game?
Is it worth making a tumblr to post progress updates when you don't yet have any art or otherwise content that would actually catch anyone's attention?

>>168013747
Oh shit we got another shaders wizard in here

One day I'll figure that crap out...

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so you can actually fly around by picking yourself up with your own sword. no clue how i'm going to fix this one. kind of glad i found this bug though.

>>168014027
Actually its just something from the asset store plus a couple hours of playing around with their examples, and a shitton of motion blur/bloom/camera lens displacement. Shaders seems like a rabbit hole you don't come back from

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>>168010115
performance is alright (edge) but controls are unresponsive or get stuck

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>>168014254
especially when you are to smart to realize that existing microfacet theory is wrong and have to come up with algorithms on your own

>>168010953
After a few, I only had a drop to ~30 FPS when I reached somewhere around the center of the map, otherwise works fine

>>168014276
Interesting, I've never tested with edge before. Around what was the framerate? Were you using a KB or a gamepad?

>>168014567
Thanks!

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>>168008314
>>168004261
>Fully featured story for being "happily single!"

Oh goody, something to affirm the lies I tell myself everyday.

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>Now I'm wasting my time trying to get my sprite to move- an issue I had already solved yesterday
>I can't remember how I solved it, I just remember it was easy in retrospect
>All this time I could be using to solve the zoom function, or doing something fun like art assets

What matters is that I WILL figure it out eventually, and I will be all the more thankful of my progress now that I've had to do it over again.

>>168015058
solid 60 in the starting area at least, can't really move around due to broken controls

I'm guessing it might be related to the framerate actually, is your input system properly framerate independent?

>>168014276
>edge
Jesus

>>168015429
have a problem with the best browser on the market?

>>168015406
What do you mean exactly? Like, the controls do not do anything? Are you using a KB or a gamepad? Does the framerate dip below 60?

>>168015467
The best browsers at the moment are the forks of the big two that remove all the bloat and shittiness. I particularly like Waterfox.

Edge would be alright if it wasn't so bare in terms of options and extensions.

>>168015467
But we're not talking about Vivaldi?

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i got Z-sorting working

>>168015558
>>168015735
enjoy your 10 fps browsers

>>168015546
unresponsive or get stuck on keyboard, I hooked up my pad and that did work

and no it never drops below 60

>>168015558
also two things

1. you should totally have a "look up" animation for when you press up on the dpad and the camera goes up a bit
2. those portraits in the dialogue boxes are... disconcerting

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>trying to get a thing working
>latest solution still didn't work
>shout "no"
>mom comes in to ask if I'm alright

>>168015878
Ha ha good suggestion. I'll throw in that animation. The portraits are a work in progress :X

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movement in my game feels really good. i am happy.

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>>168015979
found a bug, getting stuck on the door stub isn't great, and if you jump on it she never lands, just stays in the falling pose

I'd also recommend a push-against-wall animation too, can't have a decent platformer without that, Rare devs say so themselves!

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>>168015896
>shout "no"

>>168016000
adonaac?

So what's the verdict on Steam direct aggy daggy? Do we move to itch now?

>>168016110
?

>>168016119
How about you move to posting progress instead of shitposting?

>>168015759
Now that's a punchable face

>>168016087
Thanks for the bug report! I need to move the door spawn down more so it doesn't stick up like that haha.

>>168016137
It's the guy who wrote this: https://github.com/adonaac/blog/issues/9

Thought you were him

>>168016209
oh, nah haha. I don't even use that technique to generate the particles.

>>168016119
The answer to your question will solely depend on what the fee ends up being. My best guess is 1k.

>>168016157
If anything this will kill progress, people will give up on their games because they can't afford the fee.

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>>168016119
Seconding "depends on the fee".
$200-400 and poors can hack it

Much more and we're talking a massive dropout of paycheck 2 paycheck retards / devs from poor countries.

Do you think the Puzzle Quest formula, where matching gems of a certain color gives you mana of that color with which you can activate abilities, is coherent? Most of the time you only have a few matches available to you. You can't exactly aim for a certain color beyond prioritizing it when it shows up with another possible match.

>>168016119
>>168016987

I think ~$500 is fair, although I'm not sure if they're planning on charging you just to apply, or when your game is approved and listed on Steam.
At any rate if they go this route they're probably going to have to bolster their staff for vetting/filtering/approving games.
On the plus side having a fee in and of itself will prevent them from being inundated with shitty shovelware games that have no hope of selling.

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>>167957348
>>167962306
>mfw it happened

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My brain nearly melted implementing this, given how Doom handles ready states and weapon raise/lower states.

Worth it though.

1k is peanuts for a proper dev house. I'm afraid of a number more like 5-10k.

>>168017349
>At any rate if they go this route they're probably going to have to bolster their staff for vetting/filtering/approving games.
This is fucking steam we're talking about. Don't count on it,

>>168017349
The whole point of the Steam Direct thing is so that there is no manual vetting.

You paying money is the vetting.

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>search for the problem everywhere
>even end up doing a custom projectile movement component
>turns out I just had to fix the framerate
I'm glad its over but fuck you epic

>>168004405
There's a couple fucked up faces inside the glass.

Am I the only one happy about steam?

It just means less shitty meme and pixelshit games made by hipster indies.

>>168017719
I hope they go full abusive with $5k+, to be honest.

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>>168017698
Ask Miyamoto

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>>168017719
I'm crossing my fingers desu

>>168017798
If the fee is 5k I have no way to pay it. I have 2k and I intended to use them to pay for artwork. Fuck.

>>168017851
$5k is several months of working with zero expenses. I can manage, but, goddamn.

>>168017538
True, and it's recoupable, but solo devs get completely fucked

>>168017910
>(((recoupable)))
You may or may not like their version of "recoupable".

>>168017719
I'm mixed. I mean they could also just implement quality control, some stuff is objectively garbage in there.

>>168017832
I'll ask him when the fuck is the new F-zero first.

>>168017895
$5k is more than what I have on my bank account. I think it's about 3-4 months of salary here.

>implying it will be less than 10k

Here you go guys: https://www.gog.com/indie

>>168018030
I've been avoiding reading but I've seen the number $20,000 floating around in different places
Also I'm aware this post is totally useless, but $20k would bring a tsunami of salt lol

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>>168014030
Neat!

>>168018139
Which places? Reputable ones or?
20k means Steam is closed to aggydaggy lol

>>168018194
why stop at one when we can get two
yes I know about AX

>yfw steam direct is officiated on april 1st with a starting entry fee of 100k

>>168018135
>What you need to have is a great indie title - just that.

>>168017719
Well, I guess we'll be sort of back to the early 2000s.

Games like Undertale, VVVVVV and such will be banished to obscurity like they used to, like Cave Story, only gaining momentum by word of mouth from people who truly adore it. It kinda worked before, it will work now I guess, but betting your life on a project like this will be no more.

RPG Maker guys will retreat to their usual gathering places, so do VN devs. The rest might find a home on itch, but I don't think that's count as an actual platform, since that's more like a BandCamp sort of money transaction site for games, so maybe the second age of home pages and ugly home made websites is at hand with their own forum and community solely dedicated for that single game or dev team. This part actually kinda makes me hyped. A centralized Internet is no good if everyone gathers around 1-2 companies giving them full monopoly and power, making them able to do whatever they want to.

I would say 100-200 per game would be fair. I'll just miss all the nice free to play indie stuff.

>>168018207
No no, just random gamedev jerks on the internet, but in different circles. They must be getting that crap from somewhere.

Also yeah, $20k means gamedev will be stuck as a hobby for me. At least there's itch.io for some coffee money from time to time.

>>168018001
>I mean they could also just implement quality control
The original point of Greenlight was to get rid of Valve overhead and move that to the customers.

The entire company policy revolves around how lazy Gaben is.

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>mfw they remove every greenlight game that made under $20k

"While we have invested heavily in our content pipeline and personalized store, we’re still debating the publishing fee for Steam Direct. We talked to several developers and studios about an appropriate fee, and they gave us a range of responses from as low as $100 to as high as $5,000. There are pros and cons at either end of the spectrum, so we’d like to gather more feedback before settling on a number." - Steam Gabenson

So it sounds like it will be 5k at worst.

>>168018259
>instead of watching people try to charge 70$ for shitty IWBTG clones that arent even that hard
Name three games like that.

>>168018275
I want this to happen just so googum will finally be kill

>>168018280
It sounds like one asshole said 5k just to watch other devs butthurt.

>>168018438
>t. nodev faggot wandering in from /vg/

>>168011696
dont ask too much

ive seen a lot of devs over the years ask for the same amount of money obsidion asked to make pillars

with much simpler projects

be realisitic with the amount you ask

kickstarter isnt new anymore

the first batch of natural traffic will have seen many other games and have an idea for how much things cost

>>168018379
>tfw it was googum

>>168018594
On Steam already ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It's one of these pieces of shit:
http://www.homph.com/steam/

>>168018594
He is right, you know. Only salty true /v/ fags talk like that.

>>168018594
True AGDGers only get here from >>>/vg/agdg and ignore the rest of /vg/

>>168018594
>US GAMERS types still wonder why the industry hates them
Gamers might not be dead - that was just wishful thinking - but they ought be killed.

>>168018793
Nah it's just the MO of shitposters to hound yesdevs permanently once they've latched on to one.

As a shitposter yourself, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.

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I am legitimately considering the possibility that I have a mental deficiency. I know I figured this out before, but I simply cannot do it again. I have tried every possible way of getting this sprite to move, and it refuses to do so. I don't know how, I don't know why, but it is six in the dang morning, and, having fixed the camera and billboard issues, I STILL can't get this sucker to walk like he used to before the crash.

Gonna try again in the morning.

>>168018237
>just like make a great game already lol

also

>We're strongly focused on more original content and free or borrowed assets mean that there's a very small chance we'll accept the game.

>>168018889
Huh is English not your first language?

>tfw I know absolutely nothing about taxes and income laws so I have no idea how to sell my game

WHY DON'T THEY TEACH THIS AT SCHOOL

>>168018985
There's extremely little of that here, Anon.

The only time I've seen borrowed assets is as early dev placeholder.

>>168018905
One's ability to work intelligently, efficiently and productively takes a huge nosedive after a certain amount of time has passed without rest. Trying again in the morning is the absolute smartest decision to make in cases such as yours. Good luck.

>>168016119
>>168016987
>200 USD "recoupable submission fee"
>"recoup" is decided to be a waiving of 50% of Steam's 30% cut
>Steam always earns a minimum of 200 USD on every game no matter how poorly it does or if it's free
for example if a game is a bit experimental and small and weird and doesnt catch on and earns all of 600 net revenue.
in that situation with that fee/recoup structure the dev gets 310, Steam gets 290. whereas originally dev would have gotten 510 and Steam would only have earned 90
this is unabashedly profiting from devs rather than consumers... and as anyone can guess, profiting off of creators disincentivizes creativity.

>>168019026
school is meant to prepare you to be part of the labor class not the owner class.

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epiphany

do you think this would be a fast way to build dynamic navmeshes?

>>168018905
neba give app !

>>168019026
I don't either. I'll bother with it once I finish my game.
I'm probably going to be extremely pissed at my governement.

>the age of digital distribution
>"phew, publishers can finally fuck off"
>nope.tiff

>>168019070
Doesn't the greenlight revenue go to charity? They make money off of sales, not developer fees.

>>168019240
we're talking about Steam Direct

>>168019240
Greenlight yes, Steam Direct, no.

>>168019364
By creativity he meant crappy games that will never be profitable.

>>168019364
Eh if you look at the flooded shovelware markets, the answer is "create more shovelware" not "make a killer app".

A killer app has a high chance to get missed in the flood and lose you a lot of money / time.

>>168019070
That's missing information.

If you earn 600, you haven't yet "recouped" that 200. Once you reach 1337 USD, the tax is the same as it would have been before.

All it disincentivizes is games which can't manage to scrape up 1300 purchases at 10$.

>>168019454
>1300
My bad, it's 130 - one hundred and thirty sales at ten dollars.

>>168019418
This flooding meme needs to end, the "newly released games" tab isn't a substitute for marketing.

You get what you pay for, so spam all game blogs and whip out that wallet if you want some exposure.

>>168017719
What's happening with Steam?

>>168019591
googum is finally being kicked off

I emailed gabe and he said he didn't want to be associated with school shooters

>>168019518
I wouldn't mind releasing my first game for free, yeah

paying $1k+ will be too much tho

>>168019454
i didnt say 600 was recouping, i was showing that an unprofitable developer is being punished for not earning enough to get the entire fee recoup.

>>168019364
shovelware exists to earn from margins, the margin is still there so shovelware will still be there.....in fact making the margin smaller just increases the amount of ware to shovel.

>>168019591
No more greenlight, there will be no more barrier of entry at all other than paying some 200 bucks or something.

It's probably the death of freeware hobby games but it won't stop shovelware.

>>168019543
I agree 100%.

>>168019687
>200
Oh my sweet child...

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I just realized I'l have to cut some content from the game to finish it in time, because I'm going to be busy the next few days.
I'll have to either remove some NPCs or simply make them non-interactible and just position them somewhere in the world where you can't reach them. It's sad but what can I do.
I should have 6 actual NPC now.

>>168019687
Oh okay, phew.

>>168019687
>200 bucks

Nigga they said 200-5000.

This will probably mean around 1000 bucks.

Why didn't they just announce 1000 in the first place? Because this way people get worried about 5000 fee and feel relieved when it's "just 1000".

If they announced 1000 first people would throw a fit that it's 10x higher than before.

>>168019793
Why do you think it will be higher?
Valve loves poorfag indies, they simply want to disincentivize those crapware spamming "publishers" by making you have to pay per game.

>>168019026
I think you have to pay someone that knows it to as him this stuff

>>168019809
Anon, is that ship sinking?

>>168017698
>>even end up doing a custom projectile movement component

>saying this as if it isn't an expected part of development

>>168019881
They didn't directly say how much it will be.
>We talked to several developers and studios about an appropriate fee, and they gave us a range of responses from as low as $100 to as high as $5,000. There are pros and cons at either end of the spectrum, so we’d like to gather more feedback before settling on a number.

The general consensus around the internet seems like 200 or so, so most devs are probably also suggesting a similar price.

1000+ would be ridiculous given Valve's track record of caring about small-time devs and not giving a fuck about quality control, it's heavily implied that they will just allow pretty much everything and let the users sort it out with curators and such.

>>168020002
*to ask

>>168019809
but what about the twink

>>168019070
>complaining about shovelware who profit from margins on bulk releasing
i want to add that if you have some game design experience it should be obvious that this design theyre going with is to benefit themselves financially by increasing their margin on the bulk of unprofitable releases.

which is obviously not what any developers or customers have asked for. developers want access to the market and customers keep asking for curation of the market like they used to have..... if they were designing to meet those ends you would not be fucking around with fee structures they would be expanding their user curation system to take over what they used to do in deciding what gets to market...
like say (top of my head) a 2-tier release system which first releases to curators who have opted in to see non-curated releases who's ratings (weighted by a curators follower count) determine a second release to the wider public.

>>168019809
Can't wait to play your game.

Please don't forget to upload your models too!

>>168020184
Dead if I have time I'll add him, but it's not looking likely now, sorry

oh shit nigga at the greenlight change

i wasn't planning on doing a greenlight for another few months because my game is too early - is it worth putting together some fake gameplay scenes and make a greenlight quick? i already had a greenlight game up so i'm not losing anything i don't think?

>>168020289
They will probably just give you a refund or discount for the Direct thing.

I think what they are trying to do with Steam Direct is make it all front ended, but ultimately trying to not change the end results.

Get 5k(worse case) and that's it. You will get higher profits until you recoup the 5k and then steam cuts take effect.

The whole thing achieves two things: Eliminates the vote system and makes it difficult for people who are not determined to get in. More or less it closes the loophole that you can get any crap on steam of you sucker enough people to click that like button.

So if you're a social media queen pushing a text adventure or faggot from /b/ with a hot new meme simulator, then its going to be a barrier. If you are a legit dev it's going to be a nasty sting but the effort you put into your game will pay you back.

>>168020289
>>168020329
in any case no reason to shove things on greenlight now

>>168020382
>this is the limit of his creativity

>>168020353
>So if you're a social media queen pushing a text adventure or faggot from /b/ with a hot new meme simulator, then its going to be a barrier.
how so?
a financial barrier is purely a financial barrier. if you're poor, you're poor.

>>168019070
>have to pay for every game now
>make single game that includes all games you want to make bult in as updates
profit!

>>168020289
>already had a greenlight game up so i'm not losing anything i don't think?

Did the game actually get on the marketplace? If it did then you are kinda exempt from the whole change.

>>168018243
nigger undertale collected 50000$ on kikestarter, most of the small indie hits you're thinking off would have made it on regardless. tought luck for the rest.

special mention for finns, where kickstarting is borderline illegal. now they've got shat on.

>>168017719
Yeah it's a good and much needed change. I hope they go with entry fee + per game payment. Ideal would be something like 200-500$ entry fee and then another 200$ per uploaded game. Hell, even if they go with 500/500, it would still be fine as long as it prevents Steam from going full app-store.

>>168020353
and honestly this makes no sense (have you released a game?) everything is about getting attention and then converting that into sales. you need A to get B, those ~social media queens and memers~ are still at an advantage no matter how much work you put into your game if they have attention to monetize and you dont.

>>168020353
if it's 5k i simply can't afford it, best i can do is 1k.

I think in the future we'll be seeing a lot of indie devs weighing the quality of their game and asking "is my game worth money?" because who the fuck knows.

>>168020484
what as DLC?
you dont think they'll add a submission fee to DLC?

>>168020646
It's not DLC it's update. Does steam charge for updates?

>>168020442

5k is still abit. It's enough to make people consider if they can get that much for the effort. Many games that are basically clickbait have a very, very short shelf time, along with many 'joke games' as Alden on Steam puts it. Many of these people are intact poor enough to not do it, anyway.

As you point out if someone has 5k they can proceed anyway with whatever crap they want, really it's just using a new tactic because the old one has been thoroughly beaten.

>>168019687
>death of freeware hobby games
on steam? yeah
but other than that i see death of greenlight as something that might actually breathe some life into freeware games as many people won't be able to try and sell their shit on steam anymore and none of the substitutes are really attractive

>>168020689
they're not that retarded yet.
but if you do that as an update you're just giving away free games to whoever bought it already.

>>168020743
>a financial barrier is just a financial barrier
>BUT WHAT IF ITS EVEN MORE MONEY?
bruh

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>>168020767
All this is gonna do is discourage faggots that're trying to turn a quick buck or those indie shitters that aren't actually commited to vidya and instead just want to make "artful experiences"

what
a
shame

>>168020956
work on ya runnin animation mate

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>>168020484

Kinda like that Sega console emulator thing on Steam?

>>168020956
what is wrong with her tits when shooting?

reminder that shitty shovelware flooding the market is what killed games in 1983. most people arguing against a higher entry barrier don't actually give a shit above indie gaming or each other, they just don't wanna lose their ability to earn a quick and dirty buck.

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Newgrounds had a better Greenlight system a decade ago.

>tfw I will never BLAM shitty shovelware games under judgement on Steam

>>168021047
i need to tweak the frames.
On a single shot, the boobs jiggle fine, on repeatedly pressing the button it puts the animation frame back to before the jiggle to refire, causing the odd looking jiggle.

>>168021064
Yeah that's pretty much it.
>read the steam announcement
>read the comments
>me indie dev, make gud game very good next minecraft but with zombie and gun! but 200$ too much

get fucked pablo

>>168021064
Wasn't there a money entry barrier in the form of publishers in 1983

>>168021139
Some Steam games could really use some BLAMming.

>>168021047
Realistic physics.
Haven't you watched highschool of the dead?

>>168020947
No, it discourages people without money and people who don't want to gamble. (autistic logical developers such as myself who see any kind of slight gamble risk in life as pure retardation)

>and instead just want to make "artful experiences"
isn't san francisco an expensive place to live? those rich tumblr sjw faggots will spend the money for the attention not because it will sell.

>>168021064
Basically this.

Oldfags will clearly remember what happened with Atari.

>>168021185
not really, the whole point was that anyone could publish anything for the consoles at the time, it was actually startlingly similar to the current situation on steam, right down to thousands of pac-man flips. it's why nintendo required devs to license all games for the console through them, so that shit wouldn't happen again.

>>168020135
I expect the default projectile movement component to not be utter garbage, for simple linear movement I'm not really going to bother so much, it's going to be different once I get into making proper patterns, but that's not the focus yet.

see
>>168019070
>>168020214

the system theyre designing is one in which the profit margin on releases that are NOT financially successful is much higher than before.
as a developer i can confidently tell you steam is pretty shit to work with already.
this does not incentivize them to get any better.

>>168020947

This. At least the faggots too poor or too smart to not spend the entry fee. I'm sure others will run the Patreon or KS to get the money but who knows, maybe the extra effort will make them make a better game.

>>168021272
If you're broke, you work for your money. Sell your game elsewhere and build the funds you need. It's a gamble to put it on steam now yes, but that's gamedev in a nutshell. If you don't have guts or resources to go the lengths required to get your game out there, then stick to just being a hobby gamedev. It's not hard, anon.

>>168021330
you can always just look for a real job instead.

>>168020956
That sword seems woefully underpowered.

>>168021312
>I expect the default X to not be utter garbage
This is unity we're talking about anon
why the fuck did you think that?

>>168021370
>maybe the extra effort will make them make a better game.
>extra effort is poured into marketing/funding
yes all the best games are made by marketers and moneymen.

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Just look at iPhone/Android to get a very obvious picture of why a shovelware market is awful for everyone.

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>>168021410
>This is unity
Should I take that as an insult ? It's in unreal.

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>>168021406
oh yeah, none of stats are final. I need to figure out if i'm going to put in different swords or have a way to upgrade the one sword via mods or something.

unrelated note, forgot about the screenshake?

>>168021378
>Sell your game elsewhere and build the funds you need.
Is this really an option? I would absolutely do that but I can't imagine it's truly viable... gog & itch seem so obscure.

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>>168021381
>googs getting a mcjob

>>168021437
You're motivated mainly by money though, googs, and your games usually have no mechanical depth to speak of, not to mention didn't you have some kinda real money auction for an achievement in one of your games?

>>168021443
look at iphone/androids submission fees to get a very obvious picture of why a shovelware market is fostered by, not hindered by, increased fees.

>>168021443
The problem with Android is that Google actively promotes f2p garbage with ads everywhere since ads are their main revenue source to begin with, they could easily fix the entire mobile industry by having some morals but that's less profitable.

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Are you spooked yet.

>>168021495
Your other choice is going through a publisher but you better do your homework there anon, some publishers will fuck you over.

>>168021495
GOG isn't obscure and there are a fuckload of other fairly well known stores like Humble, Amazon, GamersGate and Nuuvem.

>>168021545
>look at iphone/androids submission fees
AFAIK they have entry fees but no submission fees, which is why people flood the store with garbage so they can recoup their initial losses.

That's why a submission fee of 200$ per game would be ideal for steam.

>>168021481
Either way, expecting a default ANYTHING to work exactly how you want it is incredibly naive