/dsg/ - Demon's/Dark Souls General

>>167883064
*cough*thisdlcwillsuck*cough*

What's the best pure str weapon in DaS? I wanna try out that madman 50/50 dark sorcerer build the dude in the last thread mentioned.

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OUR BOY
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>>167883252
Great club with hornet ring

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>>167883174
Yeah it most likely will, and we'll be pissed off when it completely ignores questions we've had with the lore since DaS1 to finish the insignificant loli dragon-girl painter plot.

but we'll buy it anyway.

>>167883274
Mary Suelyvahn

>>167883310
Why do I always post things right when the thread dies?

Oh God I want to fuck painter's feet

>>167882606
>>167882564
>>167883305

It is mentioned in the opening that the Pilgrims of Londor are traveling north specifically to Lothric, where all of the lands of the Lords converge because of the legend of the Ash that will arise when the Lords abandon their thrones. Lothric knows all about the legend. So Londor is implied to be south of Lothric, exists on the same plane, which would also mean it's not at the Dreg Heap. It's clear their purpose there is simply to die, which will cause them to turn either into Pilgrim Butterflies, or into Angels. Why would Londor send Pilgrim Butterflies and Angels to Londor? Why do the Pilgrims seek to help the Ashen One, only for their transformed state to want to kill the Ashen One? What the hell do the Butterflies and Angels even DO?

>>167883252
man serpent greatsword
it's like the only pvp-viable str weapon in ds1 aside from great club

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HEXERS FINALLY GET SPELLS
HEXERS FINALLY GET CATALYSTS
THE DARK WILL RISE

>>167883520

-Londor knows about the legend*
-Send them to Lothric*

I'm tired.

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>yfw snake soul makes Great Dentures

>>167883520
>What the hell do the Butterflies and Angels even DO?

Control heaps of discarded armor and shoot energy bolts at things that aren't butterflies and angels.

>>167883664
>Hexers get a staff
For what purpose?

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>>167883421
>literally born in a painting
>literally someone's oc come to life

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>SotFS servers are still down

>>167883664
inb4 the new deep spell is just a clone of deep soul with slightly more damage
inb4 the new deep catalyst is barely an upgrade over the shitty izalith catalyst
inb4 that one spell and casting tool are literally all hexers get while we get yet another deluge of overpowered pyro gear

>>167883847
Izalith Staff has Aint/Cfth scaling.

It's kinda shit.

>>167883274
Why is the pope the most based character in DaS3?

>fucks gwyndolins boi pussy
>aldrichs right hand man
>probably fucked painter girl too because hes a boss
>hes a dope af magic man
>TWO fuckhuge swords
>has a stand and wings
>has a whole city under his control
>spared yhorska from aldrich so hes a cool dude

Truly /OUR/ guy

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>>167883274
Just getting back into 3 after leaving a while after launch, did AoA shed some new light on him that makes people like him? I remember everyone calling him the evilest fucker around back then, there was even a pasta IIRC.

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>>167883274
>tfw another Anon post our boy instead of me

Keep going for O U R B O Y

>>167883698
How are they going to make someone like Frampt, an oversize teethed snake thing with some sort of floppy mustache who likes to sleep a lot into an epic boss when he had lines such as:

>Hraaaoogggh!
>… Hm? No, no, I'm fine, I'm fine. Well and wide awake! Do not treat me like an old withering snake.

>>167884062
But it has great damage with dark spells at 30/30. Wish affinity didn't have a 32 int requirement.

>>167884254
They will tie snakes to the Angel, obviously.

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>DaS3
>invaded so much tonight my weapon durability is now halved

>>167883972
Read the steam topic about it. It will "eventually" come back alive.

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>>167884203
BASED
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Is this where we post our bad webms?post your fucking webms!

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can someone explain why i'm getting no proofs for killing dark spirits when i'm summoned as a blueberry?

>>167885209
The gods frown upon blueberries.

>>167885209
are you sure you are darkmoon covenant?

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>>167885029
You want bad? I'll give you bad.

Bad quality, bad gameplay, I'm bad.

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>>167885029
the worst one I got right here

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>>167884942
H U S B A N D O
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>>167885302
do blue sentinels don't get proofs?

>>167885409

No, just Dorkmoons.

>>167883650
>pvp
>das1

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>decide to fight every boss in NG+ without any summons
>Pontiff sulyvahn keeps planting his greatswords in my ass
Is this when I'm supposed to git gud?

>>167885329
holy shit
>>167885361
it's okay, I've done worse

>>167885209
Gwyndolin is dead, so are the bluberries.

Based Pope.

>>167885502
Yes
Parry him

>>167885472
Well that's just patently false.

>>167883302
>50/50 str int
>+15 great club
>manus catalyst
>crystal magic weapon
>1056 AR

I like this
https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/528057

>>167884279
>But it has great damage with dark spells at 30/30.
Nigga my build is 40/40 and they're shit. Dark edge does 555 and affinity does like 700 maybe? Which you could say is good damage but its not enough to be worth it since you can't hit anything. ANYTHING.

ALL OF THEM

ARE

SLOW

AS

SHIT

They could at least give dark edge some HA.

>tfw you're looking forward to DLC2 just because you've never been around /dsg/ right around the time a souls dlc came out

>>167884007
>inb4 the new deep spell is just a clone of deep soul with slightly more damage
>Great Soul Dregs
>A sorcery that fires great dark soul dregs that have stewed for ages, far within the deep.
>This sorcery is the highest form of Deep Soul
>Some of the murkmen who rise from the depths are possessed by soul dregs, which have a grave likeness to the human form

Based on that last sentence, it's for sure the giant humanity ghost in that webm.

>some murkmen are possessed by soul dregs
>soul dregs resemble the human form
>that deep ghost resembles the human form
>this is a spell that casts soul dregs, which are the humanity-like things possessing some murkmen

>inb4 the new deep catalyst is barely an upgrade over the shitty izalith catalyst
God, I hope not. I hope it's at least B/B scaling. The chime and talisman are both A/A, but dark miracles are utter trash.

>inb4 that one spell and casting tool are literally all hexers get while we get yet another deluge of overpowered pyro gear
There's also a murkman sickle thing, which is alright, I guess.

Hexers are pyros too, so I wouldn't mind overmuch.

I wish they didn't remove greatlances from DaS3.
It was fun to build a wall with my democrats friends and keep the filth out.

>>167885886
I'm betting the staff will be this game's equivalent to the black witch staff, and cast everything but pyros

>>167885662
should i be getting last hits on invaders to get the item or was my game blesses with a bug?

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>>167885029

>>167885853
let me spoil it for you: /dsg/ is even more shit during that time than it usually is

>>167884279
>But it has great damage with dark spells at 30/30
>great damage
>great

At 45/45 (the actual softcap for IS) it gets 50 more damage on dark spells than a Court Sorcerer Staff with 60int. And that's without considering that dark spells are inherently weaker than anything else sorcery gets. There is no dark equivalent of Crystal Soul Spear. GDS is a GSA, but sorcery has GHSA too.

Dark needs a buff because normal sorcery and miracles are strictly better than the dark ones, and pyromancy uses the same stat spread and just outright obviates it.

>>167883064
As bad as Luci is at least he uses a dark souls picture for the general op

>>167886042
It's awfully specific about casting dark sorceries, so probably not.

We've only seen half the DLC so far though, plenty of time to squeeze something else in.

>>167886327
As long as dark is stuck juggling casting tools they'll never be good.

>>167886396
That statement is based on the assumption that a dark caster necessarily needs to cast from more than one school.

If a dark sorcerer uses Great Deep Soul, Dark Edge, Affinity, and that new spell in the webm, that's four different spells with different uses. That'd be four slots (or five if GSD uses two slots) devoted to dark sorceries. There isn't room for another catalyst in that spell list, nor is there need for one.

>a curved sword that casts pyros
Pyromancy wins again.

>>167885361
>>167885329
>>167885029
where is this? i could swear i've never seen this zone

>>167883064
>trying to turn this back into Lucy Gen

>>167886863
Out of the three magics which is the best?

>>167886919
It's the undead arena. You need to beat a DLC boss to get access to it.

>>167886863
You forgot
>a pyro version of farron flashsword
That curved sword is also going to swing like a straight sword. It literally can't stop winning.

>the best miracle is Lightning Urns
lmaoing at you faith cucks

>>167887026
Pyromancy by far.

>>167887026
Pyromancy, like always.

>>167887026
Miracles.

>>167887026
I can't decide on the best, but I can most definitely say that sorcery is the worst.

>>167887026
pyro for high investment, miracles for low investment, sorc for fun catalysts

>>167886637
All the current dark sorceries are awful anyway. If there isn't a balance patch along with GSD then GSD will be the only good one. Assuming even it will be good.

Just make them faster and give dark edge HA. Please!

>>167887026
Pyro
It's not even a contest

Sorcery is shit outside of its nukes. It has useful gimmick spells but their damage isn't high enough to be a big deal

Miracles are a joke. Literally the only value to a miracle build is that you can poisecast great heal in the arena to be a shitter.

>>167887026
That depends, do you wanna hit stuff? If you do then pyros. Enjoy your single fast fireball spell people still roll away from.

>>167887368
>pyro for high investment

I'm doing a pyro run at 20/20 with Fire Clutch, Witch's and Great Swamp and melting everything at endgame, is it really that much better at 40/40+?

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>tfw shooting people off bridges in corvian settlement all day

>>167887681

Mytha pre-transformation?

>>167887681
step on me
>mfw they probably had the "ohohohoho" laugh

>>167887775
Nope, some bitch from Demon's Souls

>>167887775
Original Gwyndolin

>>167887827
Cutting Floor Room time?

>>167886998
Why do you start so many fucking games and get like 3 trophies and stop?

>>167887416
Dark Edge would be too much with hyperarmor. It has almost three times the range of Black Flame and can be free aimed during its casting animation. It's perfect as is.

GDS doesn't need to be faster, it's already the second top spam spell in the game after BS. Some pure Int builds even use it to pressure people and force rolls. It needs a buff even less than Dark Edge does.

Affinity is the one with all the problems, and causing all the problems. It's supposed to be dark's pressure and setup spell, but the homing is utter shite to the point that people can walk around it. Lacking a good setup/pressure spell, dark can't do anything else with the two other decent spells it does have. Affinity needs homing on par with Black Serpent, or at least as good as it was in DaS1/2. The slow flight speed is fine, and combined with homing would make it even more effective.

The new spell looks like it's supposed to be Soul Spear, which would at least patch up dark's biggest problem: their lack of nukes. If the spell is just dark Soul Spear, that plus an Affinity homing buff is literally all they need.

Honestly though, the dark miracles are way worse and need more than just a buff. Dead Again is literally unusable, despite clearly being meant to fill the same role as Affinity.

>>167888107
ADD is suffering

>>167887681
>>167887775
>>167887825
>>167887827
>>167887994
>>167887845
>An unidentified character, believed to be the "Filthy One" referenced in the text dump. Her model name translates to "Wandering daemon (unclean)", and she is set to load in the first and second areas of the Broken Archstone map. She wields a serpent staff, and is covered in insects.
Video demonstration of model and animations https://youtu.be/GPw4cQtceaM?t=160

"Dark Souls 2 "Service Not Available""

Everytime I try to logon to play the game. Anyone else get that?

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>>167883274

>>167888353
Wow, that actually sounds kind of interesting.

>>167887368
>sorc for fun catalysts
>implying casting bugs with your waifu's hair isn't fun

>>167887416
Don't give dark edge HA, that's silly. No sorcery should have HA, period. Especially not when the only gimmick miracles have is poisecasting. Innate poisecasting for free on a sorcery would be a slap in the face.

Here are the changes Dark needs:

Dark Blade - properly scale with both int and faith

Deep Soul/Great Deep Soul - Greatly improve tracking, especially in close range.

Affinity - increase damage and projectile lifetime

Dark Edge - increase damage

Gnaw/Dorhys' Gnawing - boost casting speed and add real tracking

Dead Again - allow invaders to use it on corpses without requiring a seed

And I'm leaving Lifehunt Scythe for last because it needs literally fucking everything: More damage, more reach, more cast speed, more lifesteal, less recovery, less FP cost, etc.
If you notice, there's a recurring theme among dark spells in-concept that doesn't quite pan out in reality. Most dark spells have long casting times and claim to have some degree of aggressive tracking (or other gimmick to make them difficult to avoid) on top of being powerful. This gives them a sort of on-paper identity as the ranged danger that's a big threat as long as they can get their spells off, but vulnerable under pressure where they don't have enough breathing room. In reality, Gnaw and Dorhys' Gnawing have NO tracking when cast by a player, not even a little. They're straight-line spells that miss against a slowly strafing enemy and thus useless against anything other than cheesing large, slow and bleed-vulnerable bosses like Dancer. Deep Soul and GDS describe their tracking as being a defining feature of their spell tree, but they use the exact same tracking behaviour as soul arrows. In fact, they cost about the same stamina and FP as soul arrows and have the same casting animation. Their only real difference is that the projectile moves slower initially (and builds up speed over distance) and deals dark damage. That "seeking" property of their identity is missing.

>>167888396
its dead, they took the servers down last night

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https://youtu.be/y3p7Naaq0xo?t=283

There was also a video that showed a Young Witch Beatrice, but it was taken down and I can't find it anywhere else

>>167888793
young beatrice has voice clips (just being attacked and dying) if you find the sound file dump too

Can only find this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH99gVlU3Ns

>>167888667
>Deep Soul/Great Deep Soul - Greatly improve tracking, especially in close range
It doesn't need to be a better affinity, that's what affinity is for. It's a spam spell that also forces a roll.

>Affinity - increase damage and projectile lifetime
Projectile lifetime doesn't matter if its homing is so bad people don't even need to dodge. It needs a homing buff more than anything else.

>Gnaw/Dorhys' Gnawing - boost casting speed and add real tracking
For a spell that can be poisecast and racks up 210 bleed per hit, it really doesn't need a casting speed increase. It could use a slower flight speed and better homing, though. Side note, they aren't straight line spells and do have minor homing on par with soul arrows, they just fly so fast you hardly notice it.

Everything else is about right, though.

>>167888272

Dead Again needs its DaSII damage back. It's already a situational as fuck spell. I don't see why they thought it needed to be toned down.

>>167888896
>there a loli grunts and moans waiting for anyone who wants them enough to go looking
thank you FROM

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why is split damage bad again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAtm1kGOQ4w

>>167889286
Don't get too excited, I don't think anyone has even found audio for loli emerald herald

>>167889359
Reduced by two defenses instead of one.

Though technically, its actual problem is that the AR of each damage type is low, in a game where defense works off an inverse proportion.

how do we stop Sulyvahn from winning?

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>>167888107
I have more money than time. I buy a game, play if for a bit to make sure it works, then add it to the backlog.

I am also not an achievement whore, so I don't really care about getting them unless there are tangible benefits, like a theme or avatar tied to them.

That's also why I only have a few DaS1 trophies. I got 100% in the 360 then just focused on recreating my PvP character on the PS3 version. I beat the game once on PS3 so I could get two copies each of black flame and great combustion.

>>167888107
He's a fucktard who likes the sound of his own voice and believes himself to be a genius.

The kind of moron who plays Skyrim in easy mode and thinks he can give advices to everyone.

>>167889190
>It's a spam spell that also forces a roll.
If anybody ever unironically rolls through a shot of deep soul, they're a living joke.
You can WALK around it. The tracking is so weak that you can consistently dodge it while approaching the caster without rolling and without slowing your approach. Casting it puts you at a frame disadvantage, even at a distance. Your target will just sprint slightly to the side for a fraction of a second to walk around it and continue their B-line to you.

Deep soul is one of the worst pvp spells available because of this. It forces no reaction from your target and doesn't generate any threat unless they just don't know any better.

You're right that Affinity needs better homing, but one of its issues in 3 is that it expires so quickly that you can just roll through it like a slow soulmass and never worry about a second pass because it dies off right away. The long projectile lifetime (long enough that it could make a second or third pass if you rolled through it) was one of its most threatening features in both 1 and 2. That was the thing that made it difficult to consistently avoid, and being difficult to avoid is the entire point of a slow homing spell with a long setup time.

And the cast time of Gnaw is fucking long. It takes as long to cast as lightning stake, which is unforgivable for a linear ranged nuke that does middling damage. If there was ANY synergy between bleed and dark, it might not be so bad, but there's practically none, which means the bleed effect of Gnaw only factors against the aforementioned slow boss targets. The poisecasting is irrelevant since it suffers the same issue as most other poisecast spells, namely that the windup is so long someone can attack into your startup and still have time to dodge the spell.

>>167889653
It's like you actually think anyone will believe your lies.

>>167889847

Stop replying to it.

>>167883520

once you figure out what's probably happening, it's actually crazy climactic.

The Pilgrims are traveling to Lothric as part of a religious tenet of the sable church, which was founded by followers of kaathe. The religion dictates that Lothric is the only place where the undead can truly die, and followers of the church are enticed to go on a pilgrimage to Lothric, to finally die and enter into the afterlife. Once their pilgrimage ends, they "die", and await the end of the world, where the angels come to usher them into death and ascend them into the afterlife.

It's the final plan Kaathe devised before his death, a duality of Gwyn's dark soul destroying lie of the chosen undead. Kaathe is using a religion to shepherd undead to a singular location, where they finally "die", and with the help of the angelic beings, "ascend" into the next life. The angels defend the pilgrims as their essence is split; as their consciousness ascends into the "Afterlife" as a butterfly, their souls (their humanity) are finally disjointed from them and can descend into the deep, to rejoin with the collective soul.

The pilgrims, and the deep, are kaathe rebuilding the dark soul.

>>167889808
Fair enough. I just got done fighting someone who tried casting GDS and was surprised at how much slower it was than I remembered.

>>167889847
Everyone that matters already knows I played DaS1 on the 360, so I have nothing to prove.

>>167883520
Angels are just immature/not yet fully grown Pilgrim Butterflies

t. Miyazaki

>>167887026

pyromancy for PvE

miracles are only good for PvP utility

>>167888719
No they didnt lol

>>167890035

>>167889914

>>167887624
I should have said "high investment potential"

what I was trying to get across is that miracles are more for getting as much as possible for free

Any videos for cut content in DaS3 that ISN'T Sanadsk

>>167889914
The angels don't take the pilgrims away, anon. The pilgims are the angels. They grow into trees, which project the angels. Then the angels rape the shit out of everything in sight with their light lasers.

So, it's more like Londor is deploying living superweapons around.

I have a feeling that Dark Souls didn't originally start out as a "spiritual successor" to Demon's Souls.

The Crystal Lizards originally looked like updated versions of the ones from DeS, and Young Witch Beatrice uses a wand, which were used in DeS, and aren't in DaS at all.

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Can anyone recommend a fun weapon for a knight type character?
nothing too outlandish

>>167890452
Bastard Sword

>>167890341

they grow into grotesque fleshy things sprouting out of their backs.

they're pilgrim BUTTERFLIES

the pilgrims are cocoons, and in the DLC they are hatching.

the angels, whether they are a projection of the pilgrims or a being sent by whatever the fuck is in the deep, is protecting them while they are vulnurable.

the DLC is probably going to end on a note we absolutely do not expect, like a trip directly into an underground lake comprised entire of "the deep" as the dark soul slowly reforms and congeals.

>>167883520
>>167889914
>>167890341

Where are you getting this bullshit? You're just making it up, right?

>>167890452
lothric knight sword + avelyn
see
>>167885029

it's stupid fun for pvp.

>>167890452
Bastard sword best sword

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>angels are ascended londor pilgrims
>sable church wants to turn all of humanity into angels
>lothric's princes, holy maiden, and half the castle guard already in on it

Where were you when Dark was confirmed best ending?

>>167890669
>>167890607
Vaati played the DLC early and took notes.

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s281/sh/393a0e74-5dd1-46d3-ae9b-42b9146bb82a/e1ec02ada85b6a30

>Grotesque Londor Grower
>A pink fleshy creature grows from the corpse of a pilgrim, looking up towards the Angel

>If you kill the creature growing out of a Pilgrim's shell, the Angel in the sky dies. The Grower is its vulnerable avatar located somewhere else in the level.

>>167890669

we're applying the skills used for every single piece of accepted lore in these games.

difference is that I've read a lot of books and taken university level writing classes, and I can kinda see where the FROM team are going with this, even if my ability to explain it might not be fully clear.

kaathe, through the sable church of londor, is shepherding undead to the location of the ringed city, to harvest their humanity and finally reunite the dark soul. This reunited dark soul is what sulyvahn and aldritch called the deep.

How do i make a pyromancy build?

>stats
>spells
>sl
>gear

Have all the bosses been spoiled yet?

"Dark Souls 2 "Service Not Available""

Everytime I try to logon to play the game. Anyone else get that?

>>167890452
I use the broadsword.
Pretty short, but is quick, packs a punch.

>>167890945

>Crimson Bat

>"Soul" Serpent

>King of the Ruined Capital

>Mother of Dragons

>>167890989
They're telling you to buy DaS3

>>167891028
kek someone will believe this

>>167890937
>stats
40vig, 24-30att, 40int, 40fth

>spells
Forbidden Sun, Black Flame, Black Serpent

>sl
120

>gear
Onyx Blade, Parting Flame, Witch's Ring, Great Swamp Ring, Sage Ring, Ring of Favor

>>167890945
Nope, just the demon prince.

>>167890523
>>167890717
liking "no poke" the sword.

>>167890452
Lucerne, because traditionally knights used poleaxes.

>>167890209
yes, and, how does that disprove what I said? pilgrims believe that they will transcend undeath to enjoy the afterlife as angels, but they weren't being told the whole truth -- they become angels but this is just a part of a larger journey towards becoming a monster. It's not like they don't know that they could sprout into Abyss monsters at any moment, the shells they wear are built to suppress their transformation. Kaathe played them, like he plays everyone

>>167890452
Lothric Knight Sword is my DaS3 Weaponfu

>>167887681
Reminds me of lady maria, probably because of the hat.

>>167891107

it's actually based on cut content that was referenced in the base game

-502000 CrimsonBat
-512000 SnakeSoul
-519000 RuinCapitalKing
-523000 MatherDoragon

>>167890607
so the Deep is just the term for a huge coalescing mass of humanity that hasn't gone Abyssal?

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Key to the inner part of the bridge. Beyond the great bridge that couldn't possibly have been made by human hand, hides a mystery that has yet to be discovered. Some say that the realm of God awaits, but others…

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>DaS 2 servers are down.

This is the worst kind of feel, senpai...

>>167891028
King of the Ruined Capital = DaS 2 PC

Screencap this.

>>167891028
>Crimson Bat

>Kaathe and/or Frampt

>Allfather Lloyd or the Furtive Pygmy

>Velka

>>167891165
It's a wonderful sword fuck you

>>167889615
You can't

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Online play item. Purple crystal inhabited by spirits. Spirits soar to seek enemies from other worlds, conforming to the target's color. Can be used three times, then regenerated with rest at a bonfire. What stuff is it that in the purple crystal resides? Perhaps cinders of Undead, sacrificed to the bonfire. Or perhaps the vengeful spirits of those who fell to foes from distant worlds.

>>167891220

I'm saying the angels are not the butterflies, in ANY physical way, they are separate entities protecting the butterflies while they hatch.

Vaati actually got to play it and he explained what's happening, the pilgrims turtleback rocks have been removed and the pilgrim butterflies are hatching. the pilgrims are living cocoons to a parasite.

>>167891445
How did the DaS2 PC become the ruler of a city that was made by Gwyn and ruled by people who long predates anything from DaS2?

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>>167883174
>>167883403
Idunno, I'm resigned to not getting any of the million loose threads tied up, and instead more sub-par fanservice.

But surely they can't make a worse DLC than Ariandel...? SURELY?

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Please let this be something good. If its just a head piece you get from those corrupted knights that sucks.

>>167891625
>this picture
I miss Spyro

>>167891625
I really do hope they focus on pve instead of half-assed pvp this time.

>people still trust the lies of a jewsnake that lives at the bottom of a metaphysical cancer that devours and corrupts reality

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Sinister vessel made from the skull of a noble king. Placed on the altar within the catacombs, but its origins are unclear. An ominous air emits from the chalice, gripping the hearts of those who peer at it as if determined to drag them to the world of the dead.

>>167891351

basically. and, knowing anything about the lore from dark souls 2 and how manus' soul manages to coalesce into mutliple quite powerful women, the dark soul kaathe is making is going to coalesce into something ridiculous.

it probably coalesces into the "serpent soul" referenced in the main game files, and seen in the leaked unused concept art

>>167891602
He went there with Aldia, who will be the first boss phase with the BotC riding him.

>>167891595
OR the Angels are the the Butterflies' way of protecting themselves while they are vulnerable. The Angel isn't even real, it's a magic projection (an illusion ) generated by the pupating Pilgrim as it nears the end of its' chrysalis stage

consider, anon: the Butterflies and the Angels have the exact same tree/wooden body and wing structure, the only difference between them is the fact that the Angel's wings have feathers

>>167891765
>the tree motif throughout all of DaS3 was just foreshadowing Aldia
Oh fuck

>>167883919
>>167883919

>dual weilds a red sword, and blue sword
>sorcery/miracles/swordmaster
>wings

OC as fuck.

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There's an item in the games files called "Gwyndolin's Finger"

Ruined finger of Dark Sun Gwyndolin. The young crossbreed girl loved her brother, of whom all that remains is this ruined finger. Even so, her love for him will never falter…

>>167890864
>Vaatividya
Right so I'll need to get a handful of salt before looking at this.

Might be interesting though.

>>167890905
>we're applying the skills used for every single piece of accepted lore in these games.

Are these the same 'skills' that lead to hundreds of people being convinced that Solaire was the first born, Aldia was a dragon, Seath and Gwynavere were Priscilla's parents, ect?

AKA conjecture.

>>167891445
>>167891495

it's

>demon prince

>the deep, coalesced into a serpent, a "snake soul"

>the king of the ringed city, either the furtive pygmy or a descendant

>Queen of Lothric, Gwyn's youngest daughter and the mother of Ocelotte, the child of dragons (hence "mother dragon"), who was in on the whole plot to recreate the dark soul

>>167891165
Charged up r2 slashes come out super fucking fast and are a ton of fun to use.

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>>167891682
>Hmmm, wonder what this ring does.
>Put it on.
>Head just fucking EXPLODES!

Just another day in Lothric.

>>167891925
you can ignore all of his speculations, but the item descriptions, dialogues, and enemy descriptions that he supplied are probably legit. draw your own conclusions fro their

>>167891428
came back after a while to post a complaint about souls 1 and 2.

on console i was still seeing messages, phantoms, bloodstains, getting invaded and seeing summon signs.

on pc its fucking dead. 3 million fuckers own ds1 alone i dont know why no one is online. until i did a slight bit of digging and found out how differently pc's online works. if theres not an active network of players in your area the game will give up the search. on ps3 it just pulls from fucking everywhere. of the 6 guys i played with on ps3 1 was german, 3 were "english" (could be american or just british) and 2 were japanese.

I live right next to NY on east coast us which i would assume is the most populated of all places so i guess i should never hope to play dark souls games with randoms once dark souls 3 hype dies down. I just dont get it, there cant be so few people playing the game. it really makes me sad.

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WE COULD'VE USED TOXIC

>>167883664

>spooked by ghost

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_lvkcjC2Ls

>>167891316
>implying those are all bosses
>implying they can't be npcs or items
The second one literally says its a soul.

>>167891220
>the angel dies when the pilgrim's flesh tree is killed

The angel isn't there to protect it you nit, the angel IS it.

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>>167891808

have you taken a close look at the butterflies? they're inhuman mutilated monstrosities, they look NOTHING like the angels.

and projection =/= "immature form of the butterfly"

If I'm already using witch's+swamp, which addition should give more pyro damage in pvp: scholar and priestess, or fire clutch and rosp? Does your absorption with clutch + rosp come out positive in pvp, or do the numbers get funked up?

For reference, it seems like going from 20/20 to 25/25 gives around 13% more mag adj, from 25/25 to 30/30 gives 10% more, and from 30/30 to 35/35 gives 9% more. If the effects of the fire clutch ring really are halved in pvp (which would mean fire clutch adds only 7.5%), and you don't get a significant net-gain on physical absorption with rosp, can you safely say that they aren't worth the slots? Not to say +5 rings are either, just that they're less-bad for comparison's sake. Obviously in PvE clutch and RoSP are good though

>>167892131
>they look NOTHING like the angels
Even in the Bible, angels are not humans with white wings.

>>167891925
you can call it conjecture, but ultimately what DS lore nerds are doing is just like academic historian work with all of its trappings. source: my degree in history.

>>167892131
>>167892109
ok so then how the fuck do you get a butterfly from an angel and where did it all go so wrong?

>>167892131
Why do they have an open rib cage on their back?

>>167892109

they were in the boss files you fucking idiot. never mind the fact that crimson bat is quite literally now in the DLC

>>167891808
>the Butterflies and the Angels have the exact same tree/wooden body and wing structure
Not even remotely, you only think that because you've never seen a butterfly up close. They're actually flipped backwards and all kinds of fucked up, whereas the angles just look like hollows with flesh wings. They don't even have feathers, it's just skin.

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>>167892074
That's only DaS 1, bro. DaS 2 is still fairly populous, thanks in no small part to Soul Memory, that thing PvP fags thought sucks but in fact keeps the game alive now that it's long past it's release period.

Well, that is when the fucking servers aren't inexplicably down...

>>167891886
>so he's a sorcerer
>who invented ice magic
>but doesn't use it because he doesn't need it
>and he's also a quality build
>who dual-wields a greatsword and a UGS
>but uses them both like straightswords because he's so strong and dexterous
>and he has special fire magic that's different from all the other fire magic because it's special and different
>and he used this special fire magic on his special fire sword to beat up all the gods
>then he took their moon magic too, and put it on his other sword
>and now he's the boss of the gods and fights with his special fire and moon magic swords
>and when he's in trouble he grows wings and can fly
>and can cast big explosions from his fire sword
>and lasers from his moon sword
>and summon clone no jutsu

The Painted World must've been like Ariandel's deviantart account or something.

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>demons get an awesome last tribute with cool demon boss who goes full Ludwig in last phase
>NITO IS FOREVER FUCKING FORGOTTEN

>>167890368
You realize that Fromsoft are intentionally making them similar because they love the designs they've created since King's Field and Shadow Tower?

Partially it's also asset and animation usage. You can see old DaS1 animations in Bloodborne and Bloodborne assets and animations then put back into DS3.

And them creating a new setting despite making sequels suggests that Dark Souls was planned to play out like it did.

Well,actually, From indeed wanted to make a DeS 2 and have it be a multiplatform title but Sony owned the I.P and they made DaS.

>>167889914
There's a problem with this idea: Nowhere is it said that Londor has anywhere near enough a share of the world's population to recreate the Dark Souls.
If nothing else, Carim, Vinheim and Catarina still exist, and most certainly have meaningful human populations as well, and all those humans still have their own shards of the Dark Soul. It's not like the entire world population is converging in Lothric, or at least the game never gives off that impression.

>>167892282

they're contorted backwards, their stomach faces up.

>>167892216

you don't, the angels are either illusory, or they came up from an unknown and sinister place specifically to protect the butterflies as they hatch from their cocoons. in either case, an angel is not turning into a butterfly.

>>167892387
Death be not proud

>they still think Lothric wasn't tutored by le burning bush man of shouting profound wisdoms at you

>>167891925
>Are these the same 'skills' that lead to hundreds of people being convinced that Solaire was the first born, Aldia was a dragon, Seath and Gwynavere were Priscilla's parents, ect?
Basically. If you see anyone here saying anything that isn't directly stated in one of the revealed descriptions, you can safely assume the source is their ass.

>>167892446
>King's Field and Shadow Tower?

Genuinely curious, what have they used from those other than the Moonlight Greatsword?

>>167892510
>le burning bush man
Moses?

>>167892481

In the DLC you see Pilgrims undead with fleshy shit coming out of their back that destroy the Angels when you kill them.

>>167892382
>The Painted World must've been like Ariandel's deviantart account or something.
HA HA HA.

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>>167892387
>Bestlord probably won't even get a reference in Dreg Heap

>>167892510
>tfw burning stump pops out of a bonfire and scares the shit out of you

>>167892575
Seath.

>>167892464

it's a religion, religions spread and spread well.

plus, they have literal ages to complete their goal; the dreg heap is at the literal end of time and they're STILL not done hatching all the pilgrims.

>>167892309
>CrimsonBat
Crimson Bat

>SnakeSoul
Demon From Below

>RuinCapitalKing
Demon Prince

How could it be any more obvious?

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>>167892131
I always thought humans/giants turn into arch trees after they hollow the fuck out, save for a select few who join the Dragon covenant and turn into Archdragons instead.

Would complete the cycle nicely. Age of Fire -> Age of Dark -> Age of Everlasting Dragons.

Like, in this sense, the games themselves are always set in the Age of Dark. People always look forward to it but the irony is that once the fire completely fades, it just leaves a grey land behind.

Idunno, whatever, I'm no lorefag.

>>167892074
The reason you're not getting anything is because you're not using DSCM. Using DSCM lets you see all the players active in your area.

>>167891745
Chalice dungeons ds3 edition.

>>167892652
Why would he teach them to sing anyway

>>167892054
Yeah I'm looking through it now. Some NPC talking about the demon Lorian fought.

>>167892206
I'm going to get upset if you keep on masturbating all over the thread with pretentious appeal to authority fallacies, my academic friend.

>>167892672
boo

>>167892387
First of the dead and first to be forgotten

>>167892481
it could be some kind of illusion sorcery the butterfly casts to protect itself while still in its' cocoon

also, where do the tree hollows fit into all this? are they the absolute earliest stages of butterfly-ification?

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>>167892606

yeah no shit that is literally what im talking about.

the fleshy shit coming out of their back is the pilgrim butterflies hatching from the pilgrims like a cocoon.

butterflies come from cocoons.

the angels are either an illusion being controlled by the butterflies, the same way they controlled the dragonslayer armour, or they are literal angelic angels who are protecting the butterflies while they hatch.

is this a difficult thing to understand?

>>167892575
Istarelle, Seath/Darklurker, the concept for the games in general is super similar, horse head knights, Guyra was extremely reminiscent of the Dragon that was supposed to be in DS2 .

Naotoshi Zin who worked heavily on King's Field games was also in leading design roles for Souls games.

>>167892778
desu the whole "dude Nito lmao" portion of DaS2 was the shittiest part of the game, lore wise. they should have just cut it out completely instead of leaving it mangled in such a horrible state

>>167892789
I'm just saying the method is the same, dude. academia fucks up all the time as well and we all have a good laugh about it.

>demon prince throws multiple fire projectiles at you
>they deal damage, stick for a while, then do a series of powerful explosions
It's going to be a pyromancy from his soul, huh?
Can easily see it being used in mixups of all kinds.

>>167892691

they updated the crimson bat boss to make it harder for the DLC genius, why do you think it's three different versions of the exact same boss model.

>>167889407
>loli emerald herald
what

>>167892387
Aldrich's magic sword looks exactly like Nito's.

>>167892789
There's a version without the lorefagging, if you want.

http://pastebin.com/Y7MTapKN

>>167892778
everything nito-related in ds2 is a ridiculous, tasteless horseshit

>>167892652
>>167892387

you got Aldritch

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>>167892965
>hating on Papa Nito
t. Witch of Izalith fan

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>>167891682
>>167892035

>can't be headshotted
>Dullahan invasions

Could be fun.

>>167892691
A Prince is not a King!

>>167892382
Remember how we were saying Velka was Gwyn's goth daughter? Now I see why the paintings have so many Velka references. She even got a wolf along with the ravens this time.

>>167892510
So lemme get this straight
Lothric is a kingdom where the royal family's bloodline is divine and traces back to the Great Lord of Sunlight and Cinder, first among all Gods.
Where their Scholars are a school founded by Aldia, a man who tamed drakes, created dragons, genocided giants, peered into the essence of the soul, transcended life and death, and pioneered sorceries which surpass seath's crystals.

Their knights are sunbros who worship the God of War, Cooperation, Sunlight and Dragons and are blessed by his favour with tamed Wyverns

And who's borders are guarded by a roving nomadic legion of Artorias fanboys who channel his sword skills by drinking the blood of wolves.

How did this kingdom ever fail?

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>>167892382

>The Painted World must've been like Ariandel's deviantart account or something.

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Here you go, lorefags.

>>167892874
But anon, pilgrim butterflies don't have flesh. They're wood and fire, except when they aren't on fire. And you're only assuming the pilgrims are cocoons, the description on the cleric's set calls them seedbeds of darkness. So, they'd be more like plants than cocoons.

You really shouldn't be acting like a condescending ass about it, though. You don't understand any better than anyone else. For instance, the angels literally die when the pilgrim tree is killed. They don't just run off, they scream and die just like all the other times they die, except without coming back. Also, they constantly respawn when killed without touching the tree, even though they visibly die every time. They aren't a separate creature, they're projections of the pilgrim tree. Considering we haven't seen any angels around with the butterflies, it's probably safe to say the angel trees and butterflies are separate creatures.

>>167893251

Queen of Lothric. the "angel" serpent told them Gwyn's youngest daughter was right under their ass, but it turns out she was absurdly cursed and it obliterated the kingdom.

>>167891916

>Did the One Finger Banjo with Boipucci Oneesan (Oniisan)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSggtXbusdE

>>167893251

Gertrude, the Angels and a civil war between Prince Lothric and the previous King. Lothric didn't want to Link the Fire and sided with the Angels with help from Gertrude, so the Fire faded, people went Hollow and it all started falling apart. In the end it was because Lothric didn't want to Link the Fire.

>>167892996
You're assuming that wasn't the plan in the first place. There is no boss model for SnakeSoul and RuinCapitalKing because they all use the same model.

MatherDoragon is the only other boss, and it's the Abyss Dragon.

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>>167893150
>that spider girl
TITS

>>167892874

You're not listening. The flesh left behind ISN'T a Butterfly. It's literally the COCOON that's controlling/summoning/sustaining the Angel.

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Hey, remember this unused DS1 boss? Remember how weird his armour looked for New Londo?
Remember how TRS added edgelord knights who wear almost the same armour, only black and with a cape?

Yeah, i wonder who is that RuinedCapitalKing...

>>167893251
Aldia probably got Oceiros into the whole furry biz with his artificial dragons (like the wyverns outside of Lothric castle who have Pus of Man growing out of them, which can only affect humans) and got really upset when his employer kept pestering him to make a real life fursuit when he should have been ruling the kingdom instead. He helps him anyway since that's what he's getting paid for, which makes the Queen pack her shit and leave in disgust and once he sees what Oceiros has become, he realizes he just fucked everything up again because now Prince Lothric has nobody to watch over him and train him to go on a magical crown seeking journey to become a TRUE MONARCH (tm). So there's nothing he can do anymore and leaves.

TLDR: blame furries

>>167883919

well shit.

the tunic and jewelry sulyvahn is wearing is a fucking reference to something from dark souls 1, but I can't put my finger on it.

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>>167893008

>>167893429
>They're wood and fire, except when they aren't on fire
This must be the stupidest shit I have read today.

>>167893708

Except the Wyverns seem to also have Pus of Man coming out. I guess he created Wyverns out of Humanity rather than Giant souls.

>>167893008
Thanks.

>>167892976
Really? You're making me think Historians need better organisation more than convincing me of the legitimacy of the 'any old bullshit' that gets thrown around Dark Souls lore threads, like Aldritch eating Nito and Witch of Izalith is another one that I see.

I'm not criticising you specifically you know, if you're getting offended. Unless you're secretly Vaatividya.

>>167893251
>a school founded by Aldia
Headcanon, not confirmed in the lore.

>Their knights
Originally hunters of dragons, later tamed them. Not stated to worship them, but considering the kingdom produced and issued rings for knights looking to become dragons it's probably not that far fetched. Also helps that the Firstborn (sunbro covenant god) was in with the dragons.

>Artorias fanboys
Not necessarily border guards. More like the inquisition keeping the people pure by purging the shit out of any city with even the smallest signs of abyssal corruption.

>How did this kingdom ever fail?
Kaathe being Kaathe.

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>>167893150

JAPMOOOOOOOOT!

That was not the image I posted.

>>167893767
Emerald Herald really couldn't into hats.

>>167893753
looks like Darklurker from the dark chasms in 2 to me

>>167893807
yeah, that's what I'm implying. maybe human souls aren't "big" enough to make real dragons so he could only make wyverns out of them? Vaati if you're reading this FUCK OFF KYS

>>167893429
>[the angels] aren't a separate creature [from the Pilgrims], they're projections of the pilgrim tree
>it's probably safe to say that the angel trees and [pilgrim] butterflies are separate creatures
anon, did you just have a stroke in the middle of making this post?

>>167893429

That's because everything is heavily implied to be from the original Archtrees. The Splitleaf greatsword specifically goes out of the way to mention that it has veins going through it like a leaf. The Angels' wings look like leaves, the Pilgrim Butterflies look like big rooted things, everyone's turning into trees which is their Hollow form.

>>167893505
is Gwyn's youngest daughter Gertrude or the Lothric Queen?

>>167893708

Queen didn't leave until Oceiros filled her with his dragon seed.

>>167893936

MOOOOOOOOOOOK

>>167893352
That's actually not bad. It fits with what's known, at least.

Liquid-like Deep being a concentration of Humanity is probably accurate, considering Humanity is supposed to be soft, warm, and semi-solid. A large mass of humanity would be like liquid.

Now if only that font color didn't clash so glaringly with parts of the background image.

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>giant in gameplay footage revives an entire army of archers
>same robe design as necromancers of Nito
Coincidence?

>>167894270

I'll fix that. And yes, it seems to be confirmed in the DLC that Deep is very liquid-like. The enemy's items keep mentioning them being damp and shit.

>>167893753
Xanthous King Jeremiah?

>>167894270

Just put it into a text block below the image, right? Or, just make it a text post.

Also, there're a lot of logical leaps that the person takes as factual, which makes it harder to acknowledge or work with. Humanity doesn't inherently 'sink', in that we find it throughout the world in DaS1.

>>167893823
Nah man, it's all good.

>>167893896
>a school headed by a capital S Scholar
>who doubted the linking of the flame
>not "opposed it" as in "do the opposite" but "doubted" as in "should we be doing this in the first place?"
>who used Soul Stream and had it deposited in the Archives
>who resembled the disfigured statues found in the Archives
>who was renowned for creating artificial dragons and hired by a King who wanted to become one
>whose office is guarded by a knight from Drangleic (Forossa specifically) wearing armor from Drangleic
>who had the same habit of sinking into the floor and reappearing elsewhere like his goonies, the Crystal Sages

Yeah, it's definitely Kaathe. Duhhh

>>167894336
It looks more like a reskinned Pthumerian Descendant.

>>167894128

the queen. Oceiros wanted true Gwyn bloodline to make children worthy of linking the fire, and the primordial serpent delivered.

>>167893708
The "Wyverns" are just ascended humans, man.
It's obvious that there was some coordinated experiment going on to turn humans into dragons, as evidenced by the fact that dozens of them are locked up in the Irithyll Dungeon and Oceiros himself being all dragon-loopy.

Plus you get the Dragon Head Stone, an artifact that humans use to transform themselves into dragonoids, by literally cutting it out of a Wyvern's head.

Wyverns are just humans that successfully took on a dragon-like shape. They just aren't true dragons, so despite their size and power, are still as vulnerable to abyss corruption (Pus of Man) as anyone else. That's also why killing the Pus kills them.

It's yet more proof that the Lothric Knights have the support of NK (who they worship), since Wyverns hang around Archdragon Peak, a place where dragon-worshipping humans seek to transform into dragons. The Sneks are the failures; the Wyverns are the successes. Both are still human deep down inside.

>>167893987
And who exactly is it who tells you those are pilgrim butterflies?

Go ahead, look for it. I'll wait.

are there any good lore channels on youtube

I know vaati is full of shit

>>167894627

the pilgrims literally have reddish protrusions bursting from their back.

their the fucking butterflies

>>167894580
And who do we know of that has a knack for turning non-dragons into dragons using magical means?

Also the Snakemen are supposed to be descendants of the Sen's Fortress Snakemen who were created by Seath(?) way back before DS1.

>>167892382
God I'm going to save this and paste it every time someone tries to pretend DaS 3 has good plot.

>>167894653

no

>>167894653
Ashen Homo is not terrible.
Sanadsk is pretty Vaati-tier but tolerable.

Are all those empty suits of armor in high wall surrounding that winged knight due to all those knights trying to take on just that guy? How are winged knights that fucking badass?

>>167894416
>Deep is very liquid-like
No shit, Sherlock. Aldrich thought he was making an age of deep seas.

>>167894446
>humanity doesn't inherently 'sink'
In Dark Souls 1, Humanity is described as being semi-solid and weighty. Weighty means heavy.

In Dark Souls 3, Human Dregs look like drowning humanity and are described as being heavy enough to sink.

It fits with what's known.

>>167894627

>Pilgrim Butterflies
>Pilgrim
>Branch shit coming out of their backs
>The undead on the High Wall that literally look like pre-formed Pilgrim Butterflies, upward facing branch wings and all

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>>167893516
What

>>167894904
Faith.

>>167894907
>No shit, Sherlock. Aldrich thought he was making an age of deep seas.

Yes, but we had no idea what the Deep was until now and thought it was all figurative talk. Now we know it's a big black liquid Dark that is pooled at the bottom of the world.

>>167894809
The Snakemen in ADP are the descendants of leftover assets of hooded Bloodborne beastmen.

>ywn service Gwyndolin's feminine penis

>>167894446
>Also, there're a lot of logical leaps that the person takes as factual,

There were no logical leaps whatsoever.

Plus fucking no one pays attention to text posts.

>>167894460
Aldia was never linked to Crystal Magic, that was all Seath. The fact that Seath's archives existed right there next to Anor Londo is reason enough to explain the existence of both crystal magic and the king turning into a crystal dragon.

The rumor that Soul Stream was mistranslated and originally referred to Aldia is itself based on a bad translation of the original text. A capital S scholar doesn't necessarily imply Aldia, and the profile depicted on the Scholar's Ring looks nothing at all like him anyways.

>>167894524
so on a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the worst, how much less comfy was ruling Lothric than ruling the Ringed City/Londor?

>>167895117
DS3 is the descendant of Bloodborne assets mixed with overbearing DS1 nostalgia.

>co-oping with a friend through AoA
>just outside the gate to the Corvian settlement
>get invaded
>decide to sit and wait
>I put on my Definitely Not A Phantom ring and go pretend to be a rock
>friend sits on a ridge
>invader runs out, looks directly at both of us
>doesn't see either of us and continues searching
>runs back into the settlement
>five minutes later he BC's out

lel

>>167895081
the game had always hinted very very heavily that the Deep was a descriptor for coalescing, stagnant/"well behaved" humanity

>>167892382
>like Father Ariandel's Deviantart account
That explains the furry village which is full of fetishes from snuff, to poo and Roman showers and a DBZ reference.

>>167895081
I like how all this stuff is so obvious in hindsight. From has some surprisingly good writers working for them, especially if they were making it all up as they went along like some people think.

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>>167895125
Gross desu

>>167895353

Except at the same time Dregs are sinking to the lowest depths imaginable, and Londor is full of unsavory characters. Bad shit is sinking into it.

>>167888667
Reminder that a dude is already adding functional fanmade balance patches to the game. Go tell him that.

>dark souls will never have one singular music track as based as this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOTgSBG_Mp0

Guys if Gwyn had a secret daughter does that mean Gwyn had 4 descendants and a hidden 5th from NK, Priscilla, Gwyndolin and Gwynewere and the new egg waifu?

>>167895458
DRAGON SOLES

>>167895471
>bad shit is sinking into it
but we already knew that too, recall the Deep Tome and Cleric Robes that both stated that a bunch of evil Darkness Monsters had invaded the Deep and set up shop there, and turned it into an ugly place. Abyss sharks (or maybe just little insects that nip and bite) swim in the normally-peaceful ocean that is the Deep, and nobody can clear them out, everyone who tries is seduced by their power

>>167895353
They also hinted that the Deep was home to something "beyond human ken". Which would probably be the angels.

>>167895583
>4 and a hidden 5th
Oh, not you again.
You can just fuck right off.

>>167895458
>fanart Yorshka is a qt
>canon Yorshka is a hideous monster
why

>>167895630
ken =/= kin, kin means family or kind, etc. ken means understanding, they are actually 2 different words and that wasn't a ye olden spellinng of the word "kin"

>there is a darkness that lies beyond our understanding
a fairly non-controversial statement tbqhfam

Do we have any information on how much better or worse the murky staff is than the izalith staff?

>>167894336
The necromancers were Nito's enemies you know, siphoning him.

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>>167895595

>>167895747
I knew what I was saying anon, but thanks for repeating it back to me.

>>167895769
Of course we don't, because vaati was too busy crapping out half-baked theories to note important things like scaling values or weapon arts.

>>167895582
>Yoko will never go back to making great vidya music like from Live a Life and Legend of Mana
>she'll keep chugging KH's boring sountrack endlessly

>>167895883
>vaati was too busy crapping out half-baked theories to note important things like scaling values or weapon arts.
Typical.

will this be the dlc that makes dark magic great again?

>>167895846
I wonder what they smell like

Okay, so making into a text post:

Pilgrims are sent out from Londor with Atonement, sent to Lothric from the south (opening scene) where they are told they will finally die permanently. Londor is a place where many unsavory characters live (Dead Again). Their deaths are in fact facilitated by Atonement and their exile is less than kind. Upon dying, their Human Dregs break away from the body, sinking to the lowest depths imaginable (as how they lived their lives as deplorable people figuratively and literally) where they form the bedrock, or foundation, of this world (Great Deep Soul). Once at the bottom they become one with the liquid-like Deep, a once peaceful and sacred place (Deep Protection). However, the sinful nature of those releasing Dregs en masse in such a concentrated area have thrown the Deep underneath Lothric into turmoil. Knowing the nature of the Dregs, the bridge to Lothric was destroyed in an attempt to keep the Pilgrims away (in-game they are separated at the bridge), preventing an "Abyss" from forming undernear the kingdom.

Angels are known herbingers of the Deep, either being summoned or created by the same Pilgrims. It is possible that the Pilgrims release Pilgrim Butterflies, while their remains are able to sustain Angels (as killing their remains destroys as corresponding Angel). It may even be possible that before the Pilgrim Butterflies are released they release projections of Angels that are able to communicate and move freely before releasing the Pilgrim Butterflies, as the Angels existed in the past, while the Pilgrim Butterflies are a more recent event.

>>167892691
The ID's don't work that way. Iirc Friede was just one ID but you fight her 3 times. The only reason Ariandel had his own ID was because he had a separate model and Voice Actor. The bats are both the same except for different attack and attack patterns.

>>167895915
>he didn't cry bitch tears during Vector to the Heavens
>he didn't get at least twelve boners when Lord of the Castle first played
>he didn't instantly cum when he first heard the final boss theme from the Aqua game in 2.8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB1zEvdRVT4&t=73s

You

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>>167896061
Snow and peppermint

>>167895619

Yes, but we didn't know Londor knew this and was intentionally sending them there to cause it to happen.

>>167896105
Thanks m8.

t. Vaati

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>>167885029
more, MORE.

>>167895747
It's mostly her arms, they're just nasty in game, far too sickly looking.

>>167896317
And very short. Literally T-Rex arms.

>>167896151
>only knows her KH work

I need to prove nothing else. Her works for M&L games as well as most PS1 RPGs she worked on were far better

>>167896015
>new dark staff
>new dark spell

We know their names and descriptions, and the description of the spell hints that it might be the giant humanity ghost cast by the murkmen. It looks big and strong, but we don't know how strong because the player's HUD was turned off. At the worst, it's probably a dark GHSA.

We don't know for sure if the staff is better than Izalith Staff. Considering it's DLC it'll need something to distinguish itself in some way, shape, or form, so at the very least it'd be the parting flame to the IS's normal pyro flame.

Hopefully there's more, like a dark miracle nuke to go with this sorcery one.

>>167895619

Also as you know the Dark pages were added to the Deep Divine Braille Tome. Now we know that the wet nurse of the Prince, Emma, was a Londor agent, and likely was the one who slipped those in. Which is fucked up. Deep Protection was what it was meant to teach, but because of those pages, it also teaches Gnaw and became a dangerous and nasty book.

>>167894438
It was revealed in DaS3 the Xanthous Kings were (surprisingly) royalty of Oolicile. The oversized crown apparently was a tribute to a divine Oolicile creature (Elizabeth?) and the yellow garments represented the "golden" light based sorcery of Oolicile.

>kill Vinland
>talk to the painter loli
>says she'll go back to painting now
>doesn't go back to her room in the chapel

y tho

>>167896142
Fair enough.

>>167896532

Isn't it strange that we're so enamored by the Light spells in DS3, when Light sorceries were originally developed in Oolacile, not given by the Angels?

>>167894653
Plague of Gripes lets play is pretty comfy.

He isn't perfect and sometimes makes weird assertions (and in a couple of episodes German Spy turns up and talks shit), but he's certainly a lot more restrained and critical than most, and jokes around with it while still getting quite in depth.

>>167896607
>Vinland
He's already dead

>>167896105
it could also be that the Abyss infections that the Pilgrims suffer from is the specific cause of the corruption of the Deep -- that's why they got booted from Londor to start with, so that they wouldn't transform into monsters in the middle of the Sable Church and start shitting Abyss everywhere.

After all, the Deep has been coalescing since the first human died. Since the dawn of the Age of Fire, the Dark Soul has been quietly re-coalescing in the depths of wherever the fuck, and occasionally Abyss-infected humanity makes its' way down there too and fucks everything up.

Also, it seems that people have learned how to dig holes and reach it from the surface: see the huge pool of Deep outside the CotD. It also seems possible to channel your humanity to cast Deep sorceries even while still alive, because after all, until your humanity runs wild it's just a little nugget of Deep that's been cut off from the rest, and isn't quite as deliciously stagnant yet.

>>167896607
Because Friede is in the same room, and she's the one who ordered loli locked away in the first place.

>>167896414
M&L tracks practically became KH music after the third game, Dark Bowser's boss theme is literally just the Xemnas battle music but with a different filter over it. The only good M&L soundtrack was the first one (Popple boss theme still is one of my favorite GBA tunes of all time ever) and the third one's Mario Bros battle and boss theme because of the dude italian lmao vibe they have. Meanwhile, her KH work is a consistently well crafted body of work that's only weighed down by recycling the same 4 tunes in every installment because they're "iconic". DEAL. WITH. IT.

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>underwhelming

>>167896704
That reminds me that I need to finish that series, I only watched like 80% of it.

>painter loli will never use your face as a foot rest while she paints

I love otzdarva, do you guys love him? I sometimes wonder if he browses this general.

>>167896667
>angels are emissaries from the tranquil, peaceful deep
>cast light miracles
>oolacile was a human civilization of scholarly pacifists
>casts light sorceries

Not remotely surprised. In fact, I guessed as much a long time ago. Dark spells only talk about the negative aspects of humanity, my theory was that the good aspects of humanity would cast light.

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Let's see what happens when the Ashen One kills Vilheim before even talking to ice waifu

>>167896889
>painter loli will never give you painting lessons where you use your seed as pigment and her womb as a canvas

Might as well fucking end my life now famalam

>>167896820
No bully

Will Iruthyll Dungeon lead back to Central/Church of Yorshka? Cause I feel like I must have missed a bunch of central with all the shortcuts I haven't opened. Don't really want to press on ahead of earlier levels are not finished yet.

>>167896727

>Pilgrims would turn into Angels if they weren't fucking infected and turning into Pilgrim Butterfly abominations with exposed ribcages
>Pus of Man wouldn't be an issue if the Dark wasn't fucked with.
>The Dark and the Deep are normally serene until someone fucks with it.
>Also some shit about Dark Souls 2 having a Dark spell that mentions a rare, uncharacteristic flash of brilliance sometimes displayed by the Dark

A corpse should be left well alone.

>>167896964
Both of them are illusions that poof out of existence or something because From was too lazy to make any sort of alternative to attacking them beforehand.

>>167897008
notice how all areas that have fire-based wardens in them (evangelists or dungeon keepers) have Pus of Man enemies and Pilgrim Butterflies? really makes you think huh

>>167896949
>Dark spells only talk about the negative aspects of humanity, my theory was that the good aspects of humanity would cast light.

Good call.