/dsg/ - Demon's/Dark Souls General

first for bloodborne

First for Bestlord Nito will rise again.

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>Linking evernote
>not the pastebin

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>yfw

Is Memeazaki just making up more children of Gwyn at this point.

>>167794573
Holy fuck, how deep does this rabbit hole go?

>>167794296
>linking to vaati's notes instead of the trimmed pastebin

http://pastebin.com/Y7MTapKN

PC, lvl 17, tower on the wall, summoning someone to help.

Reminder that grounded knightly aesthetic is always the coolest shit, be it armor or level design

>>167794581
>And the Deep was really just part of Londor's plan all along.
explain

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>It's another "From has to turn off HUD so people don't see them blatantly playing with god mode" episode
is anyone actually good at these games?

>>167794296
>Did not quite go extinct
>as though anyone would pass up the opportunity to reproduce with that

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>she will never keep your fire

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>>167794573
>didn't post oceiros' back cancer

>>167794584
I wonder, really. He was a king he may or not had sex with a lot of weird beings of he wanted.

>>167794396
How so?

The math on the Blacksmith Hammer looks favorable over the Craftsman, but I know the details on the weapon reach or moveset may swing the balance.

>>167794580
I dont know how good the kumo 1hand moves are because ds1 has different animations if you dont meet prereqs

For example its generally not worth onehanding ultra weapons because its the same general swing just slower and weaker.

>>167794860
>toxic buildup
oh nice, maybe I'll be able to get some people with the storyteller WA in invasions

>>167794860
source on that webm?

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>>167794142
>>167794613

the mother of dragons is the queen of Lothric, she gave birth to Ocelotte, the Child of Dragons, who's egg she is cradling.

>>167794486
>>167794642
Will be fixed in the next OP.

>>167794973
Some guy uploaded a video of the full first boss fight on YouTube.

>>167794973
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN_bbPGmhq8

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>hexers finally getting a new staff
>hexers finally getting a fucking nuke

Someone please post a webm of the ghost punch spell, I need it right now.

>>167794973
http://progressbar.com.au/2017/02/dark-souls-iii-the-ringed-city-preview/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN_bbPGmhq8

>>167795008
Shouldn't she just be "Mother of Dragon" then? That "s" on the end changes the context.

>>167794718
"The Deep" is actually just the Dreg Heap. Their whole religion centers around an apocalyptic prophecy that the end times exist simultaneously with the present, and will inevitably come to pass. It's "Deep" because the Dreg Heap is the lowest layer of the world, existing underneath the living world in its current Age of Fire, but above the Abyss. It's essentially Ash Lake after countless eons of lost civilizations have sank into it. The Abyss lies even deeper, hence the distinction.

In other words, their whole religion was built upon worshiping the path to the Ringed City as a prophecy that would hearken an Age of Dark.

They were just worshiping Londor's agenda.
And guess who their prophet is
Aldrich
And guess who Aldrich serves
Sulyvahn
And Guess who Sulyvahn serves
Elfriede, founder of the Sable Church of Londor

>>167795076
Whats the use of a new dark sorcerey staff? Seems to be almost identical to the izalith staff judging by its description.

>>167795232
It will probably just be a direct upgrade, because the Izalith Catalyst is trash.

>>167795229
SULYVAHN BOWS TO NO ONE

>>167795304

Bogdapasta version of sully when

>>167794892
>Gwyn just gave gen 1 humans their own place to live
>they actually created some of the most advanced and cool military in series that combines dragons and darkwraiths

>>167795008
She gave birth to that egg?

Whew

Anyway,isn't this dlc supposed to be really lore heavy and important to the close of dark souls as a whole? The final boss being Ocellote's mom would feel pretty underwhelming.

If it has to be something dragon related make it one of the old dragons who survived and has since usurped the dark soul and plotted to kill the flame and return the world to an age of grey where dragons can naturally be born again or something

>>167795232
Nobody knows yet, and it's not like anyone had time to test it. It's really hard to be worse than Izalith Staff and it's Aint/Cfth scaling, though. Even with B/B it'd be better.

>Murky Longstaff
>The long-handled staff wielded by the murkmen who rise from the depths
>Slathered with a black murkiness, and fit for dark sorceries.

>>167795221

it sounds better.

Good off hand weapons in ds1 besides furysword or the tracers?

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>>167794573
>the dragon chime is given to you by Grandahl after you slay the Darklurker, an angelic figure

https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/144213

should I just infuse the rapier with crystal/simple?

>>167795468
I agree, but the meaning is different.

>>167795513
If it's staying in your off hand, make it simple.

>>167795229
but then why is the Deep a solid, giant mass of stagnant humanity? You saw Great Deep Soul, it's literally a giant humanity sprite coming out to hug you, and the human dregs that power these sorceries come from man

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>>167795272
I really hope it isn't a direct upgrade. The last dlc already had a lot of broken overpowered stuff.

>>167794892
what the fuck is this thing supposed to be? a Giga Darkwraith?

>>167795586
but I do intend to poke people with it

it gains one point of AR over sharp, but its split so I'm not sure how much damage I actually lose on average

>>167795008
>inb4 Mother of Dragons is the final boss

Miyazaki: Verka? Ginnyverr? Manrus? Who dey? I give you new charactures because ar dat other sturf is answered in main game.

You rike?

>>167795628
Nigger there is nothing broken or overpowered about dark sorcery.

It's not like pyromancy where it was already pretty good before the DLC, it is pure bad right now. They NEED this shit.

>>167795728
Ultra Dragonslayer Cinder Darkwraith 3000

Reposting but
>This DLC has at least 3 bosses
>Already looks to have as much content as AoA despite only being one boss in
>costs the same

...What the fuck happened here

the demon prince boss looks super unfun

>>167795628
at what point will Gael figure into all this, and will we have to go back to the Painting to finish the DLC?

>>167795396

>The final boss being Ocellote's mom would feel pretty underwhelming.

it's a combination boss with 6 phases, featuring both her and Ocelotte.

it's lore important because it

1. explains the unknown connections between gwyn and the pygmy's, and why he has a daughter in the ringed city with angelic dark miracles.
2. ends the entire gwyn/first flame story arc

>>167794718

It's clear Londor has been going since the beginning of time and have a clear understanding of the Abyss, the end of the world and how it all works. They've been watching and plotting for some time now.

English is my second language so I have a little trouble understanding this:

Fooled by that toothy serpent, they upturned the grave of primeval man, and incited his ornery wrath.

Oolacile desecrated the tomb of Manu's, but that dialogue implies it's only one primeval man, right?! It's from the wiki.

>>167795628
Being an upgrade for dark spells might also be a downgrade for normal spells. If it had B/B instead of IS's A/C, it'd be giving up a lot of damage on Flashsword, Farron Dart, and other shit for a little bit more damage on GDS, Affinity, Dark Edge, and the new spell. That's a bit of a lopsided trade.

>>167795841

revealing that gwyn and the pygmy are the same person is a pretty big twist.

>>167795606
If the abyss is hell, then the deep is limbo.
It's the dark-tainted rim that lies at the edge of the precipice.

The Dreg Heap itself is a giant sinkhole that descends downwards, like a crater, towards the Ringed City, far below at its center. Since the Heap is the world at it's dying moments, essentially poised at the brink of the end of fire and the birth of the Dark Age, it's naturally that it would be overrun by humanity. "Human Dregs" are just sprites of humanity that seek to sink down into The Deep (the Dreg Heap) to await the Age of Dark at the end place and time of Fire's end.

This is a confusing concept to explain but basically: The apocalypse isn't a point in time, but a place in the world, outside of the world, under the world. It's the point where the Dark Age will be born, so free humanity is drawn to it, collects there, sinks down to it. And there it stagnates, waiting for the end to pass.

>>167795945
of course they know all about the Abyss, they were educated by Kaathe and were stashed in the ruins of New Londo

>>167795846
Why not the buff the izalith staff? I just don't want the dlc to be adding more weapons that make the others obselete.

>>167795872
>This DLC has at least 3 bosses
Exact words were "more than two". Don't get your hopes up too high.

>>167795229

the abyss is a unique thing that exists in a specific place near old oolacile. it's equivalent to chaos.

>>167796098
More than two is three you stupid retard

>>167795606

No, they've been pushing the idea of the Deep being liquid in nature the whole game. In addition, the new spells also keep making reference to the Deep being damp, and moist. The Deep is a liquid expanse.

>>167796098
>american education system

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>>167795945
>>167796047

It's always been my guess that Londor is Kaathe's New-Londo Mk. II and it actually went right this time instead of the leaders going batshit insane from humanity overload and their knights becoming abominations that start massacring the populace.

>>167794296
my dick can't handle that much thiccness

>>167796139
>>167796210
he's saying that it's wrong to assume that the DLC will have 4 or 5 bosses because all they said is that it will have more than 2. he's telling you to count on there being only 3 bosses.

>being all smug
>while actually acting retarded

>>167796047

I highly doubt this is New Londo. It's a very unique place.

>>167796135

It has been spreading and eating away at the ground for some time now.

>>167795974
The dialogue does imply that, yes.
Though in this case "Primeval Man" can also be a plural phrase referring to a tribe or culture.

An example would be the english idiom: "Since man has gazed up at the stars..." which refers to "man" as a plural referring to all mankind. "The grave of Primeval Man" doesn't necessarily mean the grave containing THE Primeval Man(singular), but The grave dug by Primeval Man(plural)

>>167796063
Buffing the Izalith Staff would obviate any room for choice at all. With Izalith being okay at both magic and dark while Murk is great at dark but bad at magic, there's an actual build decision to make. Murky takes the role of "all or nothing" by being good with only 4-5 spells and giving up the rest, Izalith is the middle ground between dark and sorcery, and Crystal Chime lets the same build use sorcery instead of dark.

>>167796305
"Only three" is a potential contained within "at least three". "More than two" and "at least three" are literally identical statements if you're working with integers. I don't see how one looks more hopeful than the other.

>>167796135
Fun fact: if Dark Souls 2 is canon, then that means there is actually more than one Abyss.

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>finally get DeS LED sign in the mail
>the cord is too short for me to actually hang it anywhere
T-thanks...

AoA had them implementing the arena. They can now fully focus on pve in the Ringed City.

Do banwaves usually come just after a patch or around the same time as one?

>>167796375
That was actually pretty helpful. Now that the information suggests several pygmies.

>>167796515
>Dark Souls 2 is canon
Parts of it are canon and only those parts that Miyazaki brought into DS3.
If he ignored something, it may as well not exist.

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How would you perfect this enemy?

>>167796502
It's not a matter of integers you nerd, it's a matter of intent. "At least three" means the person saying the phrase is expecting four or more, but "more than two" means the person isn't expecting more than three.

It's hard to explain.

>>167796507
>paired weapon: sword and pyro catalyst
he's literally a giga raw ass + flame arc twink with full darkwraith armor and lothric's hood

>>167796016
I like what you're saying, but I think that it's important to note that the Deep exists even in "the present," or "the past" -- Archdeacon McDonnell had access to the Deep even during the normal strength of fire.

I think that it would be more accurate to say that whenever you have large amounts of humans dying or human corpses present (like in the continuous human buffet that was the CotD or in the giant cemetery of all human history like the Dreg Heap), their humanity naturally coalesces and sinks as far down below as it will go. Humanity has physical weight to it, we've known this since DaS1.

So anytime you get a shitload of humanity all in one spot, but it DOESN'T explode and start shitting abyss everywhere, it will sink and form huge pools of viscous humanity, which people call "the Deep." This is also why you can conjure the Deep from within yourself just like how you can conjure the Abyss when casting shit like Pursuers -- it's just another form of manipulating the humanity within you with sorcery. You could see such a pool right outside the CotD.

Also keep in mind that the Deep takes over the world at the onset of the Age of Dark, indicating that the Deep is how the Dark was "intended" to be, without Abyss fuckery fucking it up.

>>167796507

is this guy from the dreg heap, or all the way within ringed city? cause it could be a follower of the abyssal dragon.

>>167796519
kys

>>167796674
You can't improve what is already perfect.

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>Gwyn was so fucking scared of gen 1 humans he gave them a comfortable place to live as well as his younger daughter

>>167796519
This is what extension cables are for. Haven't you ever gone camping?

>>167796653
Shut the fuck up. DS2 is canon and none of you can change that.

>>167796515
>there is more than one Abyss
so long as there is more than 1 human with humanity to drive insane, this could conceivably happen

>>167796718
>It's not a matter of integers you nerd
name a number which is more than two but not less than three, aside from fractions

>>167796852
or perhaps.......................................................................................

>>167796793
>as well as his younger daughter
says who?

>"dark souls needs an update"
>"sweet, I'll let it go update while I watch a movie"
>watch movie
>come back
>"would you like to start the update?"
fuck me

>>167796883
>which is more than two but less than three, aside from fractions
the exponential "e," usually denoted exp(1)

>>167796883
Don't try to be smart with me ass burger, you know what I meant.

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>tfw can't see the angel's face clearly

>>167797012
>only took a minute
wew

>>167796989
It's the item description for the banner in the DLC. Gwyn gave the pygmies, holders of the Dark Soul, a city at the end of the world as well as his youngest daughter.

He was supposed to come back for his youngest daughter later on but went to a barbecue instead.

>>167796515

This is THE main Abyss, though. This one is where it all gets swallowed up, and the true reason why Gwyn Linked the Fire. He saw the inevitable End of the World due to the Abyss, and a Linking the Fire temporarily stalled the Abyss from eating it all. He knew it was only temporary, but he did it anyway. When the Fire fades the Abyss resumes its consumption of the world.

>>167796674

it will grab you if you stand in front of it for too long

>>167796793

judging from the angels and the "holy light" dark miracles that spawned from ringed city and, by extension, her, she is either dark herself or some form of goddess of the dark/undead.

remember, queen of lothric (who is probably her, considering the Lothric's boasted about a direct descension from Gwyn himself) seems to be the only one within the kingdom to care about the undead, and was giving them hidden blessings.

>>167797129
so what's the relationship between the Angels and the Pilgrim Butterflies? Are Angels just mature Butterflies? the Angel looks like it's got the same tree-like torso, but with more "mature" wings

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>no new poison weapons
They're gonna buff poison right guys? Right?

>>167797254
angel also uses the same barrage of projectiles, it's only more angel-like
clearly a complete form of butterflies

>>167797105
that's just a fraction with a variable name in front
by fraction I meant any non-interger, and if you actually do want to nerd battle, the formal definition of euler's number contains division, and the exponential function is found by solving y'=y, which involves divisors

>>167797160
so then who is this bitch? the Lothric queen? does this imply that Lothric is descended from New Londo, since New Londo was the original Human civilization?

also, if there were multiple Pygmies, were they all just the first few fuckers that the Furtive Pygmy gave his Dark Soul shards to?

>>167797254
According to Vaati's notes, the Angels are some projection caused by a pink fleshy thing that sprouts from the shells of dead pilgrims. Killing the fleshy thing kills the angel. Trying to kill the angel alone just causes it to insta-respawn.

>>167796674
when it kills you you have a 20% chance of dropping an item on you.

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>>167797160

>He was supposed to come back for his youngest daughter

anon... I... He was abandoning her. she was cursed.

>>167797318
gold and silver tracer are in the game files and have a toxic combo

there was toxic build up on the player in a boss showcase, might get an invasion area with it that's not as short as the kings garden

>>167797389
>this fool thinks that the natural logarithm base "e" is a rational number
finish calc 1 and come back before trying to talk about math on the internet, kid

>>167797516
>there was toxic build up on the player in a boss showcase
The boss itself inflicts toxic, anon.

>>167797172

Also the true reason he fears Humans. The Dark Soul creates the Abyss that essentially wipes the slate clean. Maybe the Undead Curse isn't caused by the Dark Soul, and was created by the Gods to prevent them from dying.

>>167797254

the angels are "projections" of pink fleshy things from within the pilgrim butterflies, assumedly a method of protection for the pilgrim butterflies as they shed their human cocoons

>>167797476
Gwyn has a pretty terrible track record with kids , only Gwynevere "appears" to have no trauma around her.

Why doesn't dark blade scale with int/fai?

>>167796729
Quit giving me ideas nigger

>>167797458
but then what the fuck is the Pilgrim Butterfly, since those also came from pilgrims?

>>167797618
Bugged and never got fixed because hexes are so irrelevant they aren't even on fromsoft's radar.
Same reason that deep soul explicitly mentions its homing properties but actually just copypastes the projectile behaviour of soul arrow. They phoned hexes in and never considered them worth finishing

>>167797160
>supposed to come back
SUUUUUUURE
if it's Velka, he was probably glad he dumped rebellious bitch so far away the place is called the end of a world

>>167796674
add more varieties
mix them up every ng

>>167797527
>anon fucked up at basic communication, so he had to act good at something to soothe his ego

Classic sign of immaturity.

>>167797581
>>167797172
the Deep is not the Abyss, they are different

>>167797516
I want a good poison weapon though, not just poison in pve. Though that would be great too.

>>167797617
I feel bad for him, had a staunch heir in his firstborn, but then he got left with his snakelegged freak as his only remaining 'son'

>>167797729
>Velka is Gwyneveres punk sister
L O N D O R
O
N
D
O
R

>>167797652

Perhaps they both are released from the Pilgrims, or matured versions of the Butterflies. We've never actually seen a Pilgrim's corpse after they hatch until now.

>>167797729
Ringed City* at the end of the world

The place is shaping up to be like their version of Alcatraz, only in the disguise of a city.

>>167797778
The Abyss is just the Deep, but Deeper.

>>167797401

Queen of Lothric is most likely Gwyn's cursed youngest daughter from ringed city, yes. Hence the Lothric kingdom having made expeditions there, most notably to kill the demon prince.

It's likely they either already knew she was there, or one of the snakes told them (like they did with the divine pillars miracle), and thinking having the bloodline of the lord of sunlight himself would birth great children, went to claim her as a Queen.

When her prophetic child turned out to be a failure due to her being more accursedly dark than a kenyan, the king turned to dragons and immortality and eventually Ocelotte.

>>167797763
you asked for a number between 2 and 3 that wasn't a fraction, and I supplied one. then you got all butthurt and said some stupid shit that was actually wrong

>>167797172
Reminder that Gwyn was evil and if you link the Fire you're evil too.

>>167797815
Snakes are pretty creepy but the forced cross-dressing is another level man

>>167797778

The issue here is there is mention of the Abyss Dragon which is pretty much going to be in this DLC.

>>167797815

It's clear Gwyndolin was also fucked with genetically with Dragon genes.

>>167797618
Mechanically? Probably the same reason why CMW only scales with Int even when cast with Crystal Chime, or why CMW doesn't scale at all when cast with Archdeacon Great Staff or Man-Grub Staff.

It's because, technically speaking, dark spells don't naturally scale with Int+Fth. It's the catalyst that makes them do that. Buff spells ignore everything the catalyst tells them to do though, so Dark Blade cannot ever scale with anything other than Fth.

>>167797729

it can't be velka, she doesn't follow naming conventions. Plus velka is connected to black feathers, not white feathers.

>>167797914
but the King had turned to dragons before that, the Queen fled because he fucked her in dragon form and that just crossed too many lines at once

>>167797835
if Velka actually turns out to be the edgy youngest daughter who is a slut to get back at Dad how would ENB react?

>>167797617
Gwynevere probably has lamprey mouths for nipples or something horrifying like that.

>>167797992
At least he had him locked away behind closed doors
Firstborn was his Chad son

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>>167797129

>>167797964

Maybe he wasn't so bad after all. He didn't wanna see the world end.

>>167797919
pretty sure he meant integer. you can't have 2.718 bosses. stop being pedantic

>>167797919
>you asked for

You're mixing up anons, anon.

>>167798001

>It's clear Gwyndolin was also fucked with genetically with Dragon genes.

no, the story is that Gwyn fucked a human when the light was near its weakest, and he came out a half-blood monstrosity. I'm assuming his youngest daughter is older than his youngest son, and whatever is wrong with her wasn't apparent enough to stop him from creating gwyndolin.

>>167797861
the Abyss is what happens if Deep Souls (aka Humanity) don't peacefully stagnate but instead go completely nuts, mutate, and start consuming everything like Chaos. the Deep does not devour, it sits peacefully not bothering anything

>>167798010
That sounds pretty bad. Hope they manage to fix that in the future.

>>167798064
>it can't be velka, she doesn't follow naming conventions
a rebellious goddess doesn't follow naming conventions
really makes u think

>>167798101
>lamprey mouths for nipples or something horrifying like that.
Haha yeah, maybe an artist could show him with those. As a joke, haha. Maybe embarrassed haha

Why is Ariandel dropping regular and large titanite shards when the difficulty level is clearly endgame (and higher)?

>>167797527
>thinks e is actually an elementary term
it's literally shorthand for a bunch of differentiation and division
finish diff eq then come back, kid

>>167798264
>the Deep does not devour
Nigga, the Patron Saint of the Deep is called "The Devourer"

>>167798092

>but the King had turned to dragons before that

They knew Lothric was a failure way before he denied the flame and it's obvious to everybody, it's a major theme of the character. His older brother Lorian is shouldering the burden of at least 50% of his crippling curse and he's STILL unable to even walk in the boss fight, imagine what he was like before that.

>>167798280
>velka's actual name is gwyneth but she's too kewl for that so she changed it to velka and filled her tumblr page with ravens

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcXw6zTdYJo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eV5lkKF-60

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hey ain't this is a house from near the statue square of high wall
there's a ring on a roof of it in ng+

>>167798470
kek

>>167798393
the Deep does not spread like a virus like the Abyss does, please supply me evidence of this happening, and no, Aldrich does not count since he's a human who interprets the "will" of the Deep and isn't the Deep itself -- it says it right in the description of Deep Soul. the Deep stagnates, it is literally just sitting there inertly.

>>167798229
Source? It sounds interesting but I'm not sure there's any proof Gwyn fucked humans except.

>>167798590

dreg heap is literally every location from every dark souls game, all condensed into a single trash pile as the world crunches in on itself like a black hole.

>>167798683
If Gwyn is based on the god kings of mythology like Zeus then he probably fucked a lot of people, willingly or not.

>>167798683

Gwyn is based loosely on Zeus, who was a god who actively fucked everything that moved.

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>>167798470
>older son betrays him for dragon pussy
>oldest daughter is a whore
>younger son is into crossdressing and also weak as fuck
>younger daughter is so fucking rebellious he can't stand her so much he dumps her to the most terrifying group of creatures in the entire setting and locks everything related to her in specially guarded painted world
Gwyn had a hard life.

what was the better "tragic choir" boss theme:

this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SVM5Q2NXyM

or this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYNK8uHtZ38

>>167798641
>it is literally just sitting there inertly.
It's certainly not inert when the Archdeacon hurls a swirling ball of it at you and builds half your curse meter

It's certainly not stagnating when it's birthing spider-lion-skeleton-curse monstrosities.

But it spreading and covering the world is exactly what Aldrich prophesies. It spread virally when it consumed the Way of White and turned them into mad dark-wielding hollows.

>the final Londor Sister is Crusher
>she crushes with her thicc thighs
>butt smash attack

>>167798847
Never liked Maria's theme, too loud and chaotic.
Lorian's theme is much better because it's more clear in terms of melody.

>>167798846
but where does Velka fit into all this?

also, Gwynevere was faithful to Flan, delete your post

>>167798846

this velka = gwyn daughter shit is stupider than solaire = first born.

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>>167798926
>another fucking Asylum Demon

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>>167794401
Just got done playing the game and BB is fucking amazing when it comes to the FEEL of the weapons. I think the prime reason for why a lot of weapons felt crap in DS2/3 was because Tanimeme was balancing them for multiplayer and while he did a reasonable job at balancing, I think the weapon should have incredibly broken bullshit weapons with good movesets that are just straight up FUN to use.

It also helps that most of the bosses that use weapons are the same size as the player so if the player gets a weapon it doesn't go into a G.I Joe sized toy weapon and all weapons have well developed movesets.

>>167798983
>was

>>167798828
>>167798829
Alright while there is a precedent for men in power using it for fun, there isn't a precedent of gods and humans having sex that produces children. The only crossbreeds in the game would be Priscilla and Yorshka.

>>167798926
>Miracle of the Sable Church of Londor.
>Reinforces right weapon with dark.
>The third daughter Liliane, one of the founders of the Sable Church, is said to recount tales that portray the suffering and conflict of Hollows.

>The third daughter Liliane, one of the founders of the Sable Church

I see nothing that says she isn't thicc though.

>>167798897
>people taking the Deep and using it to cast sorcery means that the Deep is inherently an all-consuming virulent entity
wew lad, does this also imply that normal, "white" souls are destined to overrun the world as well since you can conjure up Crystal Soul Spear to fuck someone's day up?

>it spread virulently when it consumed the WoW and turned them into mad dark-wielding hollows
actually no, this was the work of the "horrors within the Deep," a foreign, invasive Dark entity that corrupted the Deep's peaceful nature and lurk within it like sharks in an ocean aka the Abyss or Abyssal monsters

>>167799206
Christ you could sink battleships with that headcannon

>>167798983
>but where does Velka fit into all this?
Velka is the only god that is tied both to official god hierarchy as goddess of sin and dabbled into humanity-related arts. It's only natural to assume that it's she who was left in ringed city for being too rebellious.

>tfw create characters that are just out of range to 120s

>>167799071
she's dead, Jim

>>167798975
but the opening string section in Maria's theme, though

>>167799085

dark souls 1 literally calls gwyndolin the god of the dark sun and the dark moon deity. he's a being of dark, either through human fucking or bad timing.

>>167799317
>but the opening string section in Maria's theme, though
That's the only good thing about the entire theme, really.

>>167799268
an excellent counterargument, good post

but if Velka is Gwyn's youngest daughter, then who is Yorshka?

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hey you can see the windmill from here already

>>167799279

gwyns daughter wasn't left in the ringed city for being rebellious, she was left there to care for them because they're fucking cursed. Why do you think queen of Lothric, a confirmed member of Gwyn's lineage who everyone thinks is Gwynevere, specifically leaves the undead hidden blessings? and has angelic children and an angelic handmaiden, all linked to the white feather motif, which has just been nor directly linked to the undead and the ringed city?

>>167796674
Make it look like a bonfire.

>no great scissors weapon
L I A R S
I
A
R
S

>>167799371
>dark souls 1 literally calls gwyndolin the god of the dark sun and the dark moon deity.
I am more inclined to believe that Gwyndolins propensity for the moon was as a symptom of the fading flame and its effect on Gwyn and other gods rather than jumping straight to saying Gwyndolin had a human mother which is a detail with no evidence other than the fact that in other stories Kings do freaky shit.

>>167799561
she was found by Gwyndolin and accepted into the royal family
most likely a nobody, Gwyndolin just took pity on her because she's a crossbreed like him

Is anyone else having issues with noclip of CE latest table ? It won't activate for me.
There is a message high in the sky of Lothric, it will annoy me until I click on it.

who would win in a fight between Lord Gwyn and the Orphan of Kos?

>>167799637
my Ryuuko cosplay is destined to never exist

>>167798229

None of that is in the lore anywhere.

>>167798983
>>167799279

There's also theories Velka was involved with the plot against the gods sometime prior to Dark Souls 1 since you can farm ears from the crow demons for the Darkmoons and if you kill Gwyndolin, Oswald of Carim commends you for how sinful you are.

>>167799561
Don't worry about it Myazaki already forgot about everything having to do with blue berries

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>yfw DS2 is canon

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>>167798847

Twink Princes.

>>167799751
Orphan, since he's strong and fast as shit and has incredibly high resistance to fire and lightning.

>>167799561
Half-sister fathered by Seath

>>167798847
Maria's theme has some good bits but it doesn't come together to be a good song. It's just BGM, thematically appropriate background noise.

>>167799780
so Velka was Persephone and the Pygmy was Hades, and Velka decided that she liked being Queen of the Humans and took up their cause?

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>tfw have nioh for next 2 months of wait
feels good

>>167799710
Here!

>tfw porn of Mother of Dragons laying an egg

>>167799673

this was the first time the fire had ever faded, he probably had not yet realized that miscegenation with what was at that point just another lord bloodline, would lead to abominations.

or the light and dark are the same thing, and his fear of the age of dark was a fear of the loss of the illusion of his purity, Gwyndolin and his youngest daughter being secluded out of shame that they did not possess the illusory light that he and his first born did.

>>167799950
>side slits

unf

>>167800035
gib link

>>167799950
forhonor open beta is tomorrow as well, i will be trying that out to see if it's any fun

>>167799780

I always had a theory that velka was Gwyndolin's mother, hence the subtle connections between her and gwyndolin's darkmoon covenant.

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>>167799972
I WANT TO SEE IT REEEEEEEE
Why is noclip not working

>>167798846
more like gwyn had terrible parenting skills

>>167800169
>for honor
>ubisoft game

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>>167800035
requesting fanart of DaS mother of dragons making pic related faces

>>167799069
>It also helps that most of the bosses that use weapons
That's because there's only 3 of those

>>167799751
AND THANK GOD FOR THAT

>>167794296
Why can't I leave a summon sign down and go do another map and play and just get summoned when someone needs me? Scholar.

what kind of weapon could you make out of The Dark Soul?

>pyros getting their own flashsword
>pure pyro becoming even more viable than it already was
suck it miracle fags

>>167800450
the only things that really work for that are bellbro or spacecop covenants

>>167800506
>From nerfs Pyro into the dirt like they did faith in DaS2
I will bathe in the tears

>>167800587
>fthfags actually thinking they'll have the last laugh

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>>167800506
>pyro also gets furysword 2.0

>>167800475
kos parasite equivalent of pus of man

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see that rock behind the mother of dragons in the trailer?

it's not a rock

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all the lore stuff sounds cool as fuck desu
this might actually be amazing
i'm hyped

>>167800709
I wish we could get some stat requirements on this stuff.

>>167800587
i'm well prepared to shit in your mouth with Seething Chaos

>>167800776
why is everyone calling her the mother of dragons?

>>167800816
16 str
22 dex
20 int
20 fth

>>167800816
just do 40/40 build lmao

>>167800823
>Seething Chaos
what does it do?

>ywn witness the Mother of Dragons take the Bad Dragon

>>167800939
We'll pretend there's some hidden use to a vestiges/GCFO downgrade that looks fancy but it'll be as common as floating chaos

>>167800042
But there is no such evidence for the offspring of the lords having any children with the other lords (though Gwyns daughter in the ringed city may prove me wrong). So while I agree that Gwyndolin's monstrous nature is a result of the fading fire I believe it's that as the fire fades the Gwyn' s children came out mutated along with possibly others, giving Gwyn more reason to want to link the fire as this theory means that both the gods power and ability to produce offspring were tied to the strength of the flame

>>167800816
Vaati was too busy writing paragraphs of bullshit to note down basic things like stat reqs and WAs

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>>167800809
>image

Is there really no easy way to farm sunlight medals in scholar? wtf? I need 30 and I have1

where to boss co-op at 38 +5?

should I farm alone and level up first??

>>167800831

because there is a list of unused bosses including the crimson bat which is in the DLC, and the last one is mother dragon. This chick is holding a dragon egg.

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Reminder that Creighton dindu nuffin, he a good boy.

Memezaki was looking at DS2 and saw that he needed to bring him back to show everyone what a good boy he is by trying to kill that filthy estoc user.

>>167801296
Assuming you're talking about DaS3:
+5 seems high for SL 38, try at Abyss Watchers or Wolnir. You'll definetely get summons at Irithyll but you need to level up to at least 45/50.

>>167800776
It's a rock lobster

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>>167797389
>>167798362
>variable name
>shorthand
>implying the symbols "1", "2", "3" etc aren't shorthand for nested null sets as well

>>167801314
>An egg... should be left well alone...
>Oh I know very well, how the Dark Soul beckons so sweetly...
>Only an honest death will cure you now. Liberate you, from your wild curiosity...

>>167801215
Coop with people?

>>167799931
I think BB had quality music but I think both BB and DS3 actually suffered from all tracks being like orchestral-tier hype and to some extent I prefer DeS's simple tracks, although different music for phase changes is definitely good.

>>167801537
I dont know anyone that would want to kill a boss 30 times with me

>pyros got a top tier greatsword in the first DLC
>getting a most likely top tier curved sword in the second DLC
kek

>>167801215
kill the midgets riding giants in Harvest Valley, or kill Falconers wherever they spawn (the beginning of Brighstone Cove Tseldora is probably a good spot?)

If I have 3 mill soul memory, ill never be summoned anywhere will i

>>167801703
Faith gets a bow

Kill me.

>>167801425
>pate
>estoc user

>>167801715
Or the beginning of the game.

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>>167801425
>For the good of the world, and for my own honour.
I won't let that bastard live another day.

Who was in the wrong here?

>>167801771
>forgetting about the "whip"

>>167801841
creighton invades sirris

>>167797389
>by fraction I meant any non-interger
t. never took higher than highschool level math classes

fractions are specifically rational numbers
there are infinitely times more irrational numbers than rational ones

>>167801425
Reminder that siding with Creighton is the canon choice.

>tfw FromSoft knew lightning spear miracles were going to be shit so gave Faith Lightning Urns

>>167797160
They really don't care anymore do they? All these retcons are getting ridiculous.

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>>167801876
Creighton, for having a too cool-ass set for me to not steal.

>>167801771
why does Miyazaki hate the Church?

>>167798847
Gehrman's or Alonne's theme.

>>167801425
I wish his axe was actually that big in 3, theres like no long hilted axes, the closest thing is the Croissant Axe and it has a shitty halberd moveset and mediocre damage, not to mention it's not longer a cool faith weapon with magic damage.

His armor is probably my favorite set in the game though, especially with the cathedral knight helmet.

>>167802142
They worship the devil in Japan.

>>167801876
>>167802053
Neither of them seemed like bad guys, but I side with Creighton out of principle.

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>Bat awakens as Demon Prince
Why Miyazaki loves his hype as fuck transformations so much?

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>>167800475
both base dmg and scaling is a bit absurd.
you could actually twink with just the urns

>>167802341
I don't know but I love it.
The only thing I could think of while watching that whole fight was
[Black Knight Greatsword intensifies]

>>167802080
I'm pretty sure at this point Miyazaki is trying to fuck up the lore as much as possible so no one can make another sequel.

>>167802430
where is fanart of Doomguy as a Black Knight?

>>167802404 meant for >>167802056

>>167799561
Adopted in the family. She would be the main reason how Sulyvahn dethroned Gwyndolin as a fraud if the Darkmoon Knights became disillusioned with him if he took in the very same enemy his father had fought against.

>>167798142
Nah. Gwyn was a selfish prick who resisted the natural cycle of the world just so he and the other lords could be cozy in their age of fire. The old fuck got so desperate and scared of what would happen in the dark he probably figured sacrificing himself was not only a way of killing himself so he didn't have to be around when humans took over but he could also spite them one last time by dicking them out of the age of dark.

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>old demon king will never survive long enough to see that demon prince is actually alive and there's still hope for demon race

>>167802616
AY YO HOL UP
SO YOU BE SAYIN
WHAT YOU IS TELLING ME IS THAT
WE WUZ HOLLOW LORDS N SHIET???

>new pyro curved sword
>will cast with R2
>can now attack, cast, and parry
>that new pyro flashsword will give even more variety
wew

>>167802649
>implying there's hope for the demon race
I got a BK cosplay that says otherwise, anon.
I'm going to skip ODK this playthrough, kill his son, then go to his bossfight and eat the soul in front of him.

what if there's a desert sorceress merchant beyond the point where they cut off the streamers, and she has super lewd dialogue?

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>>167794795

>NO CARTHUS OF THE SANDS DLC
>will never get a desert theme area full of skeletons hiding in the sands and loads of quicksand

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>>167800506
>tfw 100% magic man
>feeling like one part of me is getting a boost and the other is limp
It's something, I guess.

>>167799673
>gwyndolin's talisman is strong at dark
>gwyndolin's staff had heretical intelligence scaling
>implying the dark sun isn't dark

anon...

>>167802710
DAS RITE

Are there still people who aren't hype as fuck for the new DLC?
I don't think it'gonna gonna be better than Old Hunters individually but I think it's gonna be up there.

>>167802616
Gywn literally lit himself on fire and cursed him self to an eternity of eternel agony. Hes anything but selfish. Even Kaathe states what he did was sacrifce himself.

>>167802649

Nigga, he specifically killed all the other Demons around him to steal their Chaos fire and prolong his own life.

>>167802895
Desert levels are fucking boring man.

>>167802995
no he didn't, that was the Lothric Knights

>>167802959
It looks pretty close to TOH, honestly.
Never thought they might make a fucking batwing demon boss and make it so fucking hype.

>>167803095

There's literally no Lothric Knights in his boss room, just piles of dead Demons and him.

>>167803070
So are snow areas and vikings but they sure didn't care about wasting a DLC on that.

>>167803150
>There's literally no Lothric Knights in his boss room
Yeah, because Lothric won.

>>167802962
do you think that all the old Fire Linkers are conscious while inside the SoC?

>>167803150
Maybe he meant the Black Knights

Where do I have to put my sign for the best chance of being summoned for killing Vordt in high wall?

>>167802649
he's an optional boss anon
you can totally leave him alive

>>167803220
Ludleth was. He remebers being burned alive.

No one buys your bullshit dark fag

>>167802056
>lightning urns
>fucking S faith scaling

Why did they even include miracles if they were going to pull this shit?

And why did they lock them behind a fickle as fuck triple questline at the end of the game?

>>167802995
i'm fairly sure they all were murdered by Lorian and his forces

>>167798846
Where the fuck are you guys getting this info from?

>>167803227
>>167803217

You see literally no evidence of outside interference in his room. No swords, no knights's bodies, nothing. Just demon corpses piled up and him. And you'd think he'd have either died or killed off at least one Lothric/Black Knight. Just like the Bat Demon, killing one allows the other to take its soul.

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>>167803156
Snow areas in Souls are pretty rare, with only 4 snow areas in total.
And AoA was comfy as fuck, fite me.

>>167802962
Do you think he could've known he'd live through that? He probably wasn't expecting that.

>>167803095
>>167803150
That might have been from the war with Anor Londo. There are dead anor londo slave giants close to the giant ballista.

>>167803326
>gwyn and the CU have been suffering the pain of burning alive for literally uncounted millenia
>all to keep the world alive
>while the BotC fucks off to go do science experiments with Aldia that never end up being relevant
they don't make real niggas like that anymore

>>167803464
This, say what you want about other aspects of AoA, visually it was one of the prettiest areas out of any of these games.

>>167803441
Last one of those was made up, the other three are /v/-lite interpretations of DaS3 and 1 lore.

>>167803443

Just like you see no evidence of life-prolonging going on. Whereas you do get evidence of Lothric fighting the demons and killing them off.

>>167803464
I don't want to fight you fellow claymore bro

>>167803384

The Demon Prince is located nowhere near Old Demon King. There are no signs of Lothric Knights anywhere in Smoldering Lake.

>>167803485

The Ballista was from Carthus.

>>167803464

>snow areas
>rare

Go count the desert areas and then come back and say that again

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>>167794892
kinda reminds me of pic related

>>167803304
uh, in front of vordt's fog door?

>>167803304
I dunno, senpai. Try in front of the fogwall

>>167803659
>The Demon Prince is located nowhere near Old Demon King
That's right, because he was sealed.
>There are no signs of Lothric Knights anywhere in Smoldering Lake.
...except for big-ass Avelyn which is a work of Lothric inventor

>>167802108
>steal
but he literally gives you it. all of it

>>167798847
Both have good beginnings and shit the bed when the lyrics come in, but overall i think homolust brothers song manage to exaggerate less on the vocals and keep the some of the harmony of the first part, while edgy bitch is kinda all over the place.

Also on a more subjective opinion i think princes manages to convey the feeling of the fight to the player, which is "melancholic beating of two cripples" along with "epic fight with last lord of cinder" while i just dont get what Maria's theme is trying at all to tell outside of "epic fight".

>>167803635

I have no idea what you're talking about. There's no evidence of Lothric anything in Smoldering Lake. Life-prolonging IS going on because the Old Demon King is alive, and has been for some time, while the others are dead. And like I said, the Bat Demon in the DLC is able to claim the soul of the dead one to empower itself. The whole game is about collecting Embers to prolong the life of the First Flame, it's the same with Chaos embers and Demons. They collect them to prolong their own lives.

>>167803684
Desert areas have almost zero alignment with the established sort of aesthetic any of the souls games are going for.

which game has the best soundtrack (including DeS and BB)?

>>167794892
>Dragon Knights
>that's probably gonna be a dual weapon
>mfw gonna cosplay the shit out of them
>tfw 48 days til release

>>167803773
Its kinda sad the only big scale battles are in 2 (Siege of the Fort and the Last Charge of the Loyce Knights) Would be cool to see Winged Knights fight Lothric soldiers.

>>167803847
not him but id have to agree with that, deserts are too warm to fit into souls

>>167803703
That's what I was thinking, too.

>>167803773

Where is the evidence that he was sealed there?

Even if it was invented by them, that doesn't explain why there's massive piles of Demons specifically in his room.

>>167802854
not sure what this i supposed to convey

>>167803985
>desert nights
>warm

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>>167803847

>>167803847

there's some halal gear in 3

chaos rapier or crypt blacksword or a third option for a hexer pvp build?

>>167803861
DeS/DaS have my top tracks overall :
DeS :
>One Who Craves Souls
>Demons Souls
>Maiden in Black
>Maiden Astraea
>Old One
>Allant

DaS1 :
>Nameless Song
>Nito
>Gwyn
>O and S
>the intro song

Bloodborne and DS3 have objectively more effort put into the Soundtracks but DeS tracks will always give me goosebumps.

>>167803659
>The Ballista was from Carthus.


We don't know that.

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>>167803847
>Desert sorceress
>DESERT
>SORCERESS

>>167804289
>>167804384
Have a few sufficiently foreign looking sets of armor or weapons is nothing like an entire zone that has to fit in with the rest of the world somehow.

>>167802142
Berserk.

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>>167804580
>they come from the same country as Benhart

>>167803847
Lets just forget that we have a Mosque for dragons

>>167804529
You forgot Return to Slumber, Anon.
Did you check out the remixes of DeS made by Alex Roe ? It's worth checking

>>167803985
>>167804289
>>167804184

Souls has fucking lava areas. I get what you're kinda sorta saying but on the other and no.

And Souls was supposed to have a fully-fledged desert area in Dark Souls 2 but due to development issues they pulled the plug on that one.

I think they split what they already completed between Skorpioness Najka and Tseldora.

Also, the dreg heap kinda imo looks like a desert of sorts.

>>167803773
>sealed
>when his soul description says he ran off to hide like a bitch

>>167804591

aesthetic has 100x more to do with aesthetic than climate. Irythyl already doesn't fit in, a desert world would be easy to do.

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>Ringed City DLC has Earthen Peak in it.

Post yfw they give us an actual explanation as to how we got from a windmill to Iron Keep

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>Final boss's theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stWae6r7Blw

>>167804690
If Memeazaki likes Berserk so much then why is most of the magic of all types in 3 so shitty.

>>167804526
IIRC chaos rapier is kind of shitty
just infuse ice rapier with dark

crypt blacksword does huge damage but it's also slow as shit and will be hard to hit people with
maybe you can nail dumb-dumbs who try to rull under affinity towards you

>>167804993
i will cum buckets if it happens

>>167803847

dragons in 3 worshipped by sandniggers

>>167805046
magic in berserk requires a shitload of prep time to do anything and a guy with big-ass sword can wreck an experienced as fuck black mage easily