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One of my dwarves was possessed

help what do

>>167753195
Give them what they want, also read http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Strange_mood

>>167753492
Alright, so he wants to make something although im not sure what
Also my keep losing goblets which somehow are found right after in the hospital, im not sure if thats related

>>167753819
It's rarely possible to predict what he will make (though it will likely be something useless). But that's not important, what's more important is that he gets all his materials. If he doesn't get them, better wall him off, just in case.

Are they just lying around in the hospital or are they in a stockpile there? Do you have any patients?

>>167754153
Nobody was a patient, and they were on one of the beds, as well as a spilled pool of the wine that was in them
right now hes just chilling out in the temple

>>167754324
So the possessed dwarf hasn't claimed a workshop yet? That's not good... what are his highest profession skills? Do you have the relevant workshops?

I don't know how that could have happened. I don't recall ever having problems with goblets not being stored properly.

>>167754557
He's a leather worker, but I dont have a leather workshop or leather to use in one, so this may go badly

>>167754661
Okay built a leather works, http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Leather_works, he may not need leather per se, you don't know what he needs till he claims a workshop.

So, a female human poet went into my tavern and I wanted to catch her, so I got some unarmed dwarf assigned to attack her so she runs into a cage. But does anyone know why this doesnt work? Even though she never saw the traps (placed them after her arrival) she never activates the traps when she is fleeing and she is not even considered an enemy once she falls unconcsious from all the beating.

Anyone knowing how you can achieve this?

>>167754661
Also forgot to tell you this, but you have about 40 days from the start of the mood untill he goes insane.

>>167754758
Ok done, and now hes claimed it, hopefully I dont have to murder him soon, thanks for the help

Starting DF for the first time. I spent a few days reading starter guides, watching newbie let's plays. Wish me luck, anons.

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>>167744048
>guards don't understand furniture
Hilarious.

>>167743784
Oh god yeah, I'm gonna do a full rebuild once the artifact stuff comes out anyways, but I figured I'd get as much of the bugs as I can out of the way now.

Does anyone happen to know how to make regional resurrection reactions work?

I've got the demon renaming and such going fine, found an art of cutting slab in the fort I started in, ha ha, yay, still having trouble getting the demiurges to secure a position in a civ reliably though.

Haven't picked a fight with an angel yet, though I found two of them beating up Incubus, poor fucker is running and dodging, then I run in and start hacking at them.

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>>167755537
Have fun anon
Remember, RTFW

>>167756025
thanks doc

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Just had my first fight in my fortress between two dwarves in the tavern, blood on the floor is currently ruining everybodies good vibes

Loser is resting in hospital, he got fucked up pretty bad

>>167755567
Nice tileset, whats the big green M

>>167757056
probaly ur 'M'om

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>>167756990
Dude got out of hospital and almost immediately got into another fight which he lost, guy just cant help himself

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>>167757056
Anon is right: >>167758516 but only if your mom is a big dead dragon-like demiurge dude.

>>167758516
:(

>>167762334
Suck my dick

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Did some more research on world map sizes.

In particular I looked up the size of human towns. Most of the time, it seems like they stick to 17x17 embark tiles. In some cases they get "squeezed" between other sites, in which case their size will vary, but 17x17 seems to be their "default" size.

This should translate to 1.632x1.632 kilometers.

Out of sheer interest, I decided to compare it with the size of the world map in GTA III. I failed to find any clear answer on the internet (there were many conflicting accounts), so I had to start the game up and take some measurements myself. In the end I got the map size data from GTA III, and I made a small infographic where I compared it to a town in DF.

Here's what I ended up with. Really makes you think huh.

>>167762856
What does that map assume each in-game grid square is? 2m x 2m or 1m x 1m?

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>>167763374
2x2 meters per tile, as Toady confirmed.

It does sound a bit arbitrary (especially since two people can't share a tile while standing), but it's what we have to go by. It also makes sense since a bed fits in one tile.

>>167759486
>>167756990
This fucking guy just got into ANOTHER fight with a different dwarf and is in hospital again

>>167764038
Kill everyone else, he's clearly right and your entire fort is wrong.

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>having fun with micromanagement
>giving a fuck about anything but instant gratification (e.g. sieges)

>>167763702
As does a collosus

>>167767434
A collossus fitting in a 2x2 meter space doesn't sound that weird, to be honest (although imagining it fitting in a building with a 3 meter high roof does sound weird).

In any case, creatures can't really be compared to furniture, since the way in which they exist in and interact with the world is fundamentally different.

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>>167767863
I always imagine every single floor looking like this desu

>>167768325
For larger halls, I usually ramp instead of mining. That way, you get more monumental halls.

>>167753819
You might have a ghost

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>>167762415
Hold your horses there sugartits, I'm about to go eat breakfast and I might just need a toothpick, so you keep that thing hard for me, ok?

>>167762856
A large map is roughly the same size as the earth

>>167770431
Wait, are you guys serious with that? And I wanted to go visit that library at the other side of the map, yet I cannot even find a normal city with a shop right now

>>167770560
It depends on the map you generated, number of sites, civilization size/health, population and so on

>>167770120
>I'm about to go eat breakfast
I guess the American hours are just about to start.

What bothers me is that I always see you posting throughout the day. Are you sure you get enough sleep?

Judging from your earlier posts, you have both a detached house and a wife. Where in the world do you get the time to shitpost on BOTH bay12 and 4chan, AND play DF all the time?

>>167770120
>Hold your horses there sugartits, I'm about to go eat breakfast and I might just need a toothpick, so you keep that thing hard for me, ok?
Y-y-you too

>>167770431
A large map is 257 world tiles wide. That means 197376 in-game tiles. If we accept the notion that one tile is two meters, we end up with about 395 kilometers.

The circumference of the Earth, however is more than 40 000 kilometers long. It's quite a bit more than the large DF world.

>>167771408
What? A large map is 257x257 world tiles

>>167771939
Yeah, so? It doesn't contradict my post. For simplicity's sake, I just used the width.

If one of the axes of the game world is less than 1% of Earth's circumference, then how in the world do you imagine the game world could be as large as Earth?

Where can I find the raws for mud? I've looked around everywhere but I can't find it. I've looked in material_template_default and all the inorganic materials, but still nothing. I need to change the color token of it because I thought I would be able to create verdant green underground pastures but apparently that's impossible without soil, as muddy stone just makes your moss shit brown.

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>>167762856
Hang on.

tile: 2x2x1 m
embark tile (1x1 fort @15 z sky): 48x48 tiles, 96x96x~15 m
world tile (left most screen on embark), 16x16 embark tiles, 768x768 tiles, 1536x1536x~15 m

The campsite I'm in the middle of here covers 3x3 embark tiles, 144x144 tiles, 288x288x15 m

The bottom left patch of brown in your town map should be a 2x2 embark tile chunk, roughly 192x192 m, the central tower in the keep should be right around 15 or 18 tiles I think, the walls should be right about 50 tiles square, each one is at least three tiles thick, just for trivia purposes.

The travel map coordinates on a small world run from 0x0 in the top left corner to 815x815 at the bottom right, a large world extends down to 12335x12335 at the bottom right, and that should work out to ~394 km^2 I think?

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>>167770693
Nah, I pop by and bump it or toss out a post between other shit, then like to take a break and shitpost while I study and whatnot.

>>167772465
>The bottom left patch of brown in your town map should be a 2x2 embark tile chunk
I think it's just one embark tile, friendo.

I measured the towns on the embark screen, and there they showed up as being 17x17 embark tiles (one embark tile wider than a world tile) wide. The "squares" of brown dirt on the map seem to coincide perfectly with those tiles. I mean, it looks like 16 or 17 of them would fit sideways on the map.

should I expect absolute fuckery if I use the alpha version for DFHack?

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>>167773210
Yeah, I've been screwing around in the arena and overjudged the keep size quite a bit, it's right at 50x50 tiles or 1x1 embark tile for the keep, so that chunk of dirt is right about the same size.

>>167774224
No idea. I'm not using it yet, but from what I've heard, it's pretty safe. The biggest problems seem to be the missing scripts and plugins.

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>>167774224
Nah man, that shit is good to go at this point, it's literally just a matter of them not being happy settling for calling the few missing things "good enough" but it's fine for end users and crazy fuckers who like to fuck the world over completely like myself.

>>167774286
(keep example)

>>167774354
Don't know of any missing scripts or plugins actually, there were missing globals that were annoying as shit until last month, and now it's all but totally updated.

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>>167774697
>Don't know of any missing scripts or plugins actually, there were missing globals that were annoying as shit until last month, and now it's all but totally updated.
Is that it? Might as well give it a download.

I was just about to fall into a "want dorf, but not dorf" phase, and haven't played the game in almost a week.

Maybe having access to gm-edit can keep me entertained until the artifact release.

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>Be beginner
>Decide to make some outside fortification
>Get some kind of castle mound going on, with wall, two towers at the entrance as well as fortified zone right above the drawbidge
>Pasture inside the ward, as well as trade depot
>Even start to dabble with the military system, get a squad of 6 marksdwarves going that I intend to post inside the towers and bridge fortifications
>Feels pretty satisfied with myself
>Suddenly remember that I one time read that I should make them on train one month on two else they'll always feel exhausted
>Do so
>They all fuck off from the archery range and go do their own shit
>Feels content
>Just as I'm done a weregecko pop up
>Oh shouldn't be too much trouble now
>The fucking thing jump over the back wall and start to fuck murderfuck two kids that were playing in the ward

Live and learn I guess.

>>167776252
The picture works well.

>>167776127
Going without gm-editor is easy until I get another hit and it's like a shot of smack after going through full detox.

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>>167776410
>The picture works well.
It was literally my expression.
I wasn't aware were-things were able to jump over wall, how high should I build them?

>>167776961
Put a lip on them.

_# <- fortification overhang
][__ <- ground by the wall

Can't climb up that even just 1 z high with a ledge like that.

>>167777806
They actually can climb up to that fortification quite easily, as you can climb diagonally upwards. What you want is either of these. The first stops climbing because creature's can't climb on floors, as only tree branches can be held from underneath. The second one is how I usually make my walls since it gives archers immunity to non-elite enemy archers.

___<- 1 tile constructed floor overhang
][

or

___# <-constructed floor overhang with fortification
][

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>>167779142
Up to, yeah, but while I wouldn't say it is impossible, I've yet to see enemies jump in through fortifications while hanging outside.

I can grab the wall and climb up, indeed, but trying to go over from here is a pickle.

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>>167779975
I've watched zombies climb down the side of a keep so they could go in through the door and up the ramps because I did this to hop in through the fortifications around the towers, they'll jump for lots of reasons, hell sometimes you'll catch them just jumping across flat ground, skipping or some shit, but this trick seems like it hasn't caught on yet.

>>167756025
what is rtfw

>>167780503
read the fucking wiki

>>167780529
There's nothing in the fucking wiki about whatever RTFW is you condescending cunt

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>>167783084

>>167783084
I'm impressed.

I'll grab those magnetits

>>167785783
wuuut

>>167773210
>>167772465
Honestly speaking, if Toady ever feels like developing towns or cities to their whole potential, we could end up having really interesting stuff in the game

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>>167779142
>>167777806
>My "protection" is actually just a straight fucking line and I completely forgot about climbing

By god can I be fucking dumb, but as I said, live and learn.
Thanks peeps

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>Check back 8 months later
>still no Therapist
Did the update really break mods that much, or have the developers just moved on and I missed the memo? I really wanna get back into DF but I feel like I need to wait.

>>167783084
ReadTheFuckingWiki

>>167787069
>want to dwarf
>cant dwarf

go away for a year this time

>>167787256
only if you give me a well-worded, well thought-out and overall polite responce to my query?

>>167787069
If you read the latest devlogs and extrapolate, then you'll know it's going to take another year waiting for update. Just like with DF2014

>>167787657
You want me to copy the devlogs or confirm your need to wait?

>>167787762
The therapist update or the DF update?

>>167787069
Therapist devs have been working on it, it's not like they haven't made a memory layout for the latest update anyways.

>>167788056
DF. Looks like we won't be getting Therapist anytime soon. Something to do with missing symbols that Toady may release with next update.

>>167788463
Oh cocks. Time to hibernate again I guess.

>>167788545
I've heard the labor manager in dfhack is pretty good

>>167788968
Oh I don't care about the therapist, I never use it. I'm talking about the next DF update taking another year.

Why are people complaining about not being able to play DF until a mod updates?
Cant you just play without it?

>>167789268
they actually cant
I legit feel sorry for them

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>>167789039
This summer.

>>167788968
It is, fuck all that extra program/sideways text nonsense.

>>167789268
It goes like this

>start up DF
>Remember I've done literally everything in it
>get sorta bored
>go to check devlog
>"Holy shit this feature looks so cool, now that I know its not in my current game it just feels that much more boring compared to the next version."
>Will to play dorf is kill

And then it repeats every few weeks.

>>167788968
Dfhack labor manager is a million times better than rapist for managing individual labors, but therapist is better for en masse labor management. Only thing I'd miss from therapist is being able to easily see the accurate physical attributes of each dwarf, so I can make sure my military is stocked with only the most robust of dwarves.

>>167789465
like what? i dont read devlogs, are we getting a new kind of wood

How many people must die before Toady updates the game

>>167789268
If toady just had a manual sorting function or different groups to sort in for dwarves and a way to assign labors to more than one dwarf at a time, I wouldn't even use DT.

>>167790143
people have been asking that very same question for almost 15 years now
Tales speak that there was a third dev and got kill

>>167790212
send him an email offering 1 blowjob for each hour he spends working to implement this feature

>>167790483
>implying Toady wants blowjobs from someone other than Zach or Scamps
lol

>>167790483
>>167790651
>Toady
>sexual stuff
nah

>>167790703
This

>>167790483
No, I live like a short drive away from his house.

>>167790880
no fucking way

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>>167790880
How do you feel over the fact that he put your shithole on the map?

>>167791540
Silverdale isn't too bad, it could be worse. It could be Seattle.

>>167790139
We're getting secret agents and artifacts that people will fight over and NPC adventuring parties that will go on quests like the player does and also you'll be able to send squads of dorfs out of your fort to go and accomplish things.

>>167764038
Me again, this fucking madman just tried to fight the same guy again, got his ass kicked again and is in hospital, again

guy has started 4 fights and has been almost killed each time now

>>167789465
>Remember I've done literally everything in it
I honestly doubt it.

There's always something new to try. Did you explore every industry? Did you try building all thinkable megaprojects? Did you try giving yourself goals and handicaps to force yourself into finding new playstyles? Did you explore the metagame through the gm-editor? I honestly doubt you did all that.

What you wrote is basically "want to dorf, but not dorf":the post.

>>167792736
Have you ever seen Toady/Threetoe around town?

>>167794912
>I honestly doubt it.

Oh I forgot to mention, I've tried fort mod a lot but I never really liked it. I primarily play adventure mode, which I've more or less seen the whole of. And the content of adventure mode will be pretty much doubled or even more with the next update.

hey
update when

>>167795293
5 minutes

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>>167795293
when ur mom stop sukin my cock

>>167789428
>This summer.

>it'll be out by Halloween for sure
>he'll come back after Thanksgiving and finish things up for release quick
>don't listen to these pessimists, there's no way it isn't released before the new year
>it'll be an early spring release for sure, it's almost done
>this summer

You guys are adorable.

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>>167795106
//I've// yet to see everything in adventurer mode.

Have you:
>intervened in a war
>turned a town rescue into a crusade
>walked into a town as the thuggiest of fucking weaponmaster bandits decided to start mugging people
>did the above except half of them were zombies for some reason
>triggered zombie apocalypses
>walked in on a zombie apocalypse and NOT be responsible for it
>killed a dark fortress--not the inhabitants, the fortress itself--and made it permanent
>done that with a vault
>found a [vault|tower|mead hall|keep|fortress|lair|cave] inside a volcano
>built a home inside a volcano
>build a home underneath magma
>done this on the lava flows directly
>done //that// while including pipes for waterfall mist-generators
>built a home in hell
>gotten lost in the caverns under one cave and escaped via another route
>permanently killed a necromancer tower
>set up a bound demon dating service
>triggered a transition into the age of legends
>...or heroes
>how about the golden age
>age of death maybe, I haven't yet
>wiped out a race
>rebuilt a civ
>build an army and defeat monsters without ever holding a weapon
>set up a forced labor camp
>used a series of labor camps to flood a nearby site with water
>how about magma

...you get the idea.

>>167795293
Just now went live.

>>167796925
>>intervened in a war
There are no town invasions or battles you can participate in. They just stay in camps forever until you leave and then you come back and the entire town is dead.
>>turned a town rescue into a crusade
I have genocided minorities multiple times.
>>walked into a town as the thuggiest of fucking weaponmaster bandits decided to start mugging people
Yes
>>did the above except half of them were zombies for some reason
Yes but it was polar bears
>>triggered zombie apocalypses
totally
>>walked in on a zombie apocalypse and NOT be responsible for it
Again, fucking polar bears
>>killed a dark fortress--not the inhabitants, the fortress itself--and made it permanent
All the way bby
>>done that with a vault
As an elephantman fistfighter
>>found a [vault|tower|mead hall|keep|fortress|lair|cave] inside a volcano
for about 12 seconds before I died.

>>built a home inside a volcano
>>build a home underneath magma
>>done this on the lava flows directly
>>done //that// while including pipes for waterfall mist-generators
>>built a home in hell
Don't care about building homes until the world recognizes them.

>>gotten lost in the caverns under one cave and escaped via another route
yes
>>permanently killed a necromancer tower
yes
>>set up a bound demon dating service
no actually, I usually only have one goblin civ

>>triggered a transition into the age of legends
yes
>>...or heroes
yes
>>how about the golden age
yes
>>age of death maybe, I haven't yet
yes
>>wiped out a race
yes
>>rebuilt a civ
yes
>>build an army and defeat monsters without ever holding a weapon
yes
>>set up a forced labor camp
yes
>>used a series of labor camps to flood a nearby site with water
Can't do that as far as I know.

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>>167797907
>no invasions or battles
Ennk, not quite.

>polar bears
That's always fun.

>killed dark fortress
I mean dropped the spire into hell.

>home stuff
I did figure out how to make the world aware of camps, clued Toady in on it too, hopefully he'll slap them under the default civ properly.

>flooding sites
Lots of lumber, a minecart full of magma, and enough elf slaves, anything is possible.

>>167798556
>>no invasions or battles
>Ennk, not quite.
Explain this to me. It was the inability to participate in wars and stuff that killed adventure mode for me.

>>167798556
>Ennk, not quite.
Are you confusing insurrections for invasions?

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>>167799207
[NATURAL_SKILL:DISCIPLINE:5] or higher on all the races, give some of them [ETHIC:SLAVERY:ACCEPTABLE] and some of them [ETHIC:SLAVERY:UNTHINKABLE] then enjoy the hugely inflated armies, the higher skilled bandits/soldiers, and the much more regular wars.

One of you fuckers wrote a script to find wars but it's not in my ksbd mod folder so I'll have to dig it up later, but it goes through and stops world-gen when it detects relevant wars, and another one of you noticed that when the screen starts updating the calendar you can run:
gui/gm-editor scr

This pulls up the year/year_tick fields and you can change year_tick to end the update now, or you can make it end at like almost the next year if you want!

>>167800104
That block of soldiers there?

First time I bumped into the * on the map I thought the game had froze.

It took me several tries to figure out I had to wait until they loaded on the screen out of travel mode instead of bumping into them.

Ram use on that world sat at like .9 GB usually... that army loading pushes it up to like 2.1~2.2 GB.

I killed the process and watched where they went, which ended up being a town.

I stood in the town and waited, and then everything freezes for like ten minutes, and KABAM! 4000 elves load on the screen and start fucking shit up.

>>167800104
Does his screenshot look like an insurrection to you?

>>167800607
I mean I know one can increase the amount of wars that happen, but I have never seen an actual attack on a town happen when I was in it. The invading armor just stays in camps forever and nothing happens.

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>>167800738
Yeah, this world was with the discipline and ethics fuckery, but it didn't have the slavery trick, as that seems to be the most consistent trigger I've seen outside of the endless slog between babysnatcher/item thief/utterances groups.

With slavery acceptable/unthinkable it goes into wars over values and causes and shit so people hold the grudges for decades and build up goddamn massive armies.

Doing this I've seen multiple times looking through legends where there are three/four thousand strong armies just running around buttfucking everyone, and you always kinda expect them to be abstracted, but no, they aren't always.

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Was talking to the missus about crazy shit from adventure mode and this popped in my head.

>>167800656
Yes.

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havent played Dwarf fortress in 2 years

has Toady

-fixed the economy yet?
- fixed sieges, when i last played sieges didnt happen anymore as "armies wander" the world gen map- aka you can go 50 years without a siege
- made animals deadly again. When i last played the days of elephants and carp were gone; that made the game FUN.

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>>167804897
>economy
Still in limbo while he does the world stuff to make it work properly again.
>sieges
Scroll up a couple posts: there's a reason you can set a cap on invader numbers now, and that's without fucking around with modding anything to get kilosoldier armies running around.
>animals
Memes are memes, giant animals are still nasty if they're bitchy, doubly so when they're rotting soulless horrors scraping at the doors of your home.

>>167805197
those memes as you put it were fun, Carp dragging dwarves to a watery death. An elephant taking 5 dwarves to take down, Forgotten beasts made out of adamantine that you couldnt kill without collapsing a tunnel on them.

god dammit it i want the economy back, AND guilds and the various other noble positions that were taken out.

>>167805518
Play the older ones, or find stuff to do in the newer ones?

How viable is playing an aquatic animal man and wandering the ocean, making bone and wooden weaponry and shit while trying to survive in the murky blue?

>>167807430
Put skill points into grappling so you can pull unsuspecting fishermen to their doom

>>167808290
I don't think the world has fishermen yet. Also, I don't know if I could drink or sleep in the water.

>>167807430
You'd need custom reactions and get used to punching a lot of dolphins and rays cause you're gonna get bored out there... dunno if you can sleep out there either.

>>167807430
Keep to warm climates and it's totally viable.

>>167805518
>forgotten beasts made of adamantine
Were never a thing. Slade and adamantine have always been excluded from possible materials for procedurally genned creatures. FBs are still a top candidate for fort killers, though.

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>>167796561
>it'll be out by Halloween for sure

>>167808380
I mean, I'm sure there are mods that add more sea creatures and stuff, r-right?

>>167808512
Like I said before, my main concern is that I don't know if I could drink or sleep in the water. I'll just use the Oldgenesis mod and its creation system for the crafting aspects.

>>167808346
Swim to the surface to drink? I've never actually tried to drink anything underwater.
As for sleeping, even if you can't go to sleep on purpose underwater, you probably can't die from sleep deprivation, so worst case scenario is that you end up a narcoleptic horseshoe crab man who passes out from exhaustion every few steps. Which sounds like a hilarious story that I want to read.

>>167805518
>i want the economy back
Why? It's never been good in the first place. Have you even played a version that had economy?

>>167808842
>Swim to the surface to drink?
But its salt water? I can't drink that right?

>horsehoe crab man
I was originally planning to be a carp-man but if I am crab then I could chill on the shoreline as well.

Which animal person is the strongest? I want to make a caste of haulers for my fort.

>tfw no [WARLIKE] tag that just generally increases a civ's chance of declaring war for no reason.

Why did the Toadster not think of this

>>167808842
That... does sound amusing, though I'm getting flashbacks of a stint I had playing FFXI.

I was camping a notorious monster up across a glacier that was once leading up to the end-boss and all that jazz, there are these creepy fomor dudes running around, look like the elvaan dudes except pitch black skin, I'm waiting for a certain one to spawn to try and get the knuckles I want for leveling monk, but the spawn was like 11 or 16 hours or some shit?

So my sleep schedule keeps getting more and more fucked and I finally ended up spending a couple of days straight just kinda chatting with my friends and murdering fomors right?

Then I look up and notice that the guy I've been talking to is a fomor, I fell asleep at some point in the past hour, and I've got several rather concerned messages from my friends who ended up coming up there, getting me into a party with them, and warping me back to my homepoint when I fell asleep finally after they learned I was talking to fomors by myself all night.

>Embark
>Location turns out to be a thick forest of apricot, cherry, and walnut trees
Did I hit the jackpot?

>>167809118
Yeah, I was assuming you would have a container with something potable (which you could probably drink underwater anyway). In retrospect that isn't a very good assumption. I suppose you could just mod your chosen species to be [NO_DRINK] if you're playing a saltwater dweller. It wouldn't be cheating in that case, right? You'd just be fixing an oversight.

>>167809595
Try a good biome next time for sunberries

>>167809648
Yeah, all the aquatic creatures have little hacky stopgaps like that anyways.

Fuck the economy, I want people to need food and drink, I want to break a siege by running down their supplies until they make a desperate charge and get slaughtered by my well-fed and rested axe lords and miners.

>>167809595
Does it have any feather trees or sunberries? If not, then no.

>>167809648
Where could I find the raws for saltwater animal men?

>>167809889
Oh really? So the need to drink is already removed?

>>167809239
I'm suddenly annoyed that this doesn't exist.

>>167810154
With the saltwater critters, animal men are just a creature variation now that points at the animal raw and changes stuff over so it has hands and is closer to human sized.

>>167810154
I forget the exact names of the files, but I'm thinking creatures_aquatic.txt and creatures_aquatic_new.txt? They'll be something like that. In raw/objects folder of DF, or the same in your region folder if you've already made your world. Ctrl+f BIOME:OCEAN and/or ANY_OCEAN. There are a lot of aquatic creatures with no man variants, so you'll find a bunch you can't play as. There will be plenty of playable choices in there, though.

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How can I change my adventure mode character into a necromancer? Some anon last thread suggested save editing with dfhack but I'm not quite sure how to

>>167812951
If they're an elf, you don't, if you REALLY want to do it without a new world you'll need to edit an interaction or pick a plant that won't get eaten or something.

Add this to an interaction or plant:

[INTERACTION:DEFAG_AN_ELF]
[I_TARGET:A:CREATURE]
[IT_LOCATION:CONTEXT_CREATURE]
[IT_MANUAL_INPUT:faggoty elf]
[I_EFFECT:ADD_SYNDROME]
[IE_TARGET:A]
[IE_IMMEDIATE]
[SYNDROME]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:START:0]
[CE:CREATURE:DWARF:FEMALE]

Then find a slab and read it, or use dfhack to make one, open it with gm-editor, change the type to 6 secrets, change the line above it (info I think?) to like 5 or 6 and one of them should teach you necromancy, save beforehand of course in case it makes you a fagmummy or something.

>>167808842
you could always be an amphibian man and find a cave near the shore to sleep

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>>167809479

>>167809212
elephant man probably

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>>167812951
elves CAN NOT be necromancers
make a new character

>>167808980
yes, and it was less game ending than FPS death is, which is STILL a fort killer for me.

>oh boy! another migrant wave! thats a 130ish dwarves, aaaaaand dps goes down to single digits

migrant waves USED to come as batches of 5-6 and almost all of the migrants were unskilled blobs and so you had to TRAIN your fort up. Now after 2-3 waves your fort has everything it needs.

i miss cave rivers
i miss cave floods
i miss undoable noble demands like a mayor demanding shell items in a desert with no water.

>>167813668
>>167814316
So the only way is to change them to a different species?

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>>167813668
>dat interaction do

>>167814607
a non-immortal one
or forget about being a necromancer, its boring anyways

>>167814472
I'm on nearly 200 years now with one of my current forts

I just need to lower the pop limit for megabeast attacks

>>167814146
I know for a fact they are actually weaker than dwarfs, they just hit harder because they're bigger.

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>>167814804
welp, thanks anyways

where are the saves for dwarf fortress located on linux?
not in the /otp/

>>167776961
Those colors are purty anon, got the codes for them?

>>167814316
>stunted
Aren't elfs about the same size as dwarves? Why do elf diplomats call you that?

>>167816069
I think they weren't intended to be so small DF relates size to strength usually, idk how he could make them flimsy but tall

>lead bars: 429
The fuck I do with all that lead

>>167816315
save for a strange mood and hope for an artefact hammer

>>167816210
>DF relates size to strength
Except it doesn't. Did you mean more powerful in combat?

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>>167816315
Add [ITEMS_AMMO] to lead.

>>167816210
There is nothing in the raws that makes it seem Toady intended them to be tall.

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I've had worse.

where are the stats for megabeasts/seiges located so I can edit their attack requirements?
I want it based on wealth and not population

>>167795106
What is being added to next adventure mode? Haven't kept up with dev for a while

>>167822691
>artifacts will be created in the world and nations will fight over them.
>NPC adventuring parties will travel the world and do any quests the player can do.
>There will be secret agents looking to find artifacts, they will disguise themselves as normal people but ask around to find stuff.
>There is a system for tracking the location of artifacts that will allow you to go on quests.
>Kobold sites maybe.

>>167822894
Can I be Indiana Jones? And a kobold ?

>>167822982
yes, but don't be surprised if that spearman that you spent months traveling with shanks you in the leg and runs off with your artifact because he was a government agent all along.

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>ITEM INACCESSIBLE
>ITEM INACCESSIBLE
>ITEM INACCESSIBLE
>ITEM INACCESSIBLE

thanks toady.

>>167822894
Is this a complete summery of the artifact release?

>>167823987
I actually missed 2
>The player will be able to construct fake identities in adventure mode
>In fort mode, you can send squads of dorfs out into the world to accomplish quests.

>>167824135
seems like some army arch type stuff going on.

>>167824219
I hope so. I don't think you'll be able to run into armies or caravans marching around the world yet, but there will be adventuring parties and agents and stuff all around the wilderness doing business. I'm personally hoping for the ability to join up with a pre-existing adventuring party and be led around on adventures as a lackey.

>>167824316
same senpai

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>>167819474

>>167823728
Dumb frogposter

>>167824316
I doubt he'll get to the mechanics for leading the player in this release. That's something he's talked about for the crime and punishment arc.

i wanna see a vanilla speedrun to hfs. random seed. might start trying this and recording it via in-game recording.

>>167815741
One True Pair?

I like to ship my saves into /home/*username*/.df/data/save peprsonally.

>>167824316
You should be able to join along with an existing group, yeah.

It'll also add a lot more armies tromping around for war related reasons due to the extra angle of "they have something we want" or "they have something we own" on top of "they eat sapients/broke a treaty/infringe on our property~grazing~water~fishing~travel rights/keep slaves/steal babies/are thieves/speak gibberish" type reasons.

>>167825073
>You should be able to join along with an existing group, yeah.

>It'll also add a lot more armies tromping around for war related reasons due to the extra angle of "they have something we want" or "they have something we own"

Where is the source for this stuff?

>>167825202
none, he's clearly thinking aloud
its obvious

>>167825652
Well I hope all the stuff he's saying is true but I don't want to get my hopes up.

>>167825073
I installed it though the Arch community repository but it ended up in my otp folder and nothing in my home

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>>167825202
Toady said he wants to have them going along, he doesn't have it in so you can have them lead you but you can totally accompany them or get them to join you and take them.

The armies are directly stated, that's the point of the spies and information transfer, plus one of the main purposes of fort mode squads is if you lose an artifact to a thief or to bargain your way through a siege by giving in to a demand you can try to recover it.

Similarly groups can send out squads to do this covertly, or they can use this as a cause for war.

>>167825906
Oh, the opt folder, you can just install the native arch package, sudo pacman -S dwarffortress worked for me and when you run dwarffortress it puts the files in .dwarffortress under your home folder.

Bumparuuu.

ALso, archbro, remember to copy the actual files into your local home copy so you can mod them instead of being stuck with the links to the /opt or /usr versions.

>>167826212
>when you run dwarffortress it puts the files in .dwarffortress under your home folder.
except it doesn't and idk where they are
my /opt/ folder has DF files but it seems just the core stuff and not actual saves or anything else

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>>167828952
Shit man really you can just download the bay12 version then drop them into a new folder with any name and cd there then ./df (or ./dfhack with the relevant hack folders/files in place) to run it.

I'm doing science trying to figure out exactly which jobs qualify in each category for the fortress rank promotions but it's kind of a pain in the ass. Does anyone have any insights that might save me some time?

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>dwarf grows attached to a spear he's had for less than three months

>>167830370
well, you can force him to wield another one if you want, so don't complain.

>>167829427
I'm actually using Antergos and Cinnamon as my DE so maybe that's why it got shifted elsewhere (idk hwere)

I'll just cd it like you said

>>167830225
For example, not all jobs done by a craftsdwarf at a craftsdwarf's workshop qualify for the crafting requirement, but apparently only crafts specifically. It also seems that not all carpentry jobs qualify. Simply growing and harvesting crops does seem to cover food, though.

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>>167831693

>>167831808
Sorry, gui/gm-editor df.global.ui.main.tasks I think, might be ui.tasks instead of main.tasks, one of those though.

how do i stop my civ from being dead or dying when i embark

the last fort i made one of my dwarves was made queen when i only had like 20 pop and no resources to made fancy ass rooms

>>167833157
That's about your world-gen settings and civ numbers, tweak the numbers of beasts, raise the number of dwarf civs in the entity so they don't get wiped out so easy.

>>167833440
can i raise dwarf civs specifically?
the wiki about world gen says it divides the number of civs you want by available races so they're all even

>>167833920
You can edit their site caps in their raws.

bum thred

>>167836137
hobo thred

How do I make circles? I forget it every time, does someone have a guide?

>>167836660
just follow your common sense and make a circle? that's what I always do.

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>In-game tiles
1 tile (in-game) = Aprox 2x2x3 meters (Adams 2012)

16x16 tiles (in-game) = 1 tile (site travel map)

48x48 tiles (in-game) = 1 tile (embark/region travel map)

768x768 tiles (in-game) = 1 tile (world map)

>Site travel map tiles
1 tile (site travel map) = Aprox 32x32 meters

1 tile (site travel map) = 16x16 tiles (in-game)

3x3 tiles (site travel map) = 1 tile (embark/region travel map)

48x48 tiles (site travel map) = 1 tile (world map)

>Embark/region travel map tiles
1 tile (embark/region travel map) = Aprox 96x96 meters

1 tile (embark/region travel map) = 48x48 tiles (in-game)

1 tile (embark/region travel map) = 3x3 tiles (site travel map)

16x16 tiles (embark/region travel map) = 1 tile (world map)

>World map tiles
1 tile (world map) = Aprox 1536 meters

1 tile (world map) = 768x768 tiles (in-game)

1 tile (world map) = 48x48 tiles (site travel map)

1 tile (world map) = 16x16 tiles (embark/region travel map)

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>Pocket world (17x17)
1 pocket world = Aprox 26.112x26.112 kilometers

1 pocket world = 13056x13056 tiles (in-game)

1 pocket world = 816x816 tiles (site travel map)

1 pocket world = 272x272 tiles (embark/region travel map)

1 pocket world = 17x17 tiles (world map)

>Smaller world (33x33)
1 smaller world = Aprox 50.688x50.688 kilometers

1 smaller world = 25344x25344 tiles (in-game)

1 smaller world = 1584x1584 tiles (site travel map)

1 smaller world = 528x528 tiles (embark/region travel map)

1 smaller world = 33x33 tiles (world map)

>Small world (65x65)
1 small world = Aprox 99.840x99.840 kilometers

1 small world = 49920x49920 tiles (in-game)

1 small world = 3120x3120 tiles (site travel map)

1 small world = 1040x1040 tiles (embark/region travel map)

1 small world = 65x65 tiles (world map)

>Medium world (129x129)
1 medium world = Aprox 198.144x198.144 kilometers

1 medium world = 99072x99072 tiles (in-game)

1 medium world = 6192x6192 tiles (site travel map)

1 medium world = 2064x2064 tiles (embark/region travel map)

1 medium world = 129x129 tiles (world map)

>Large world (257x257)
1 large world = Aprox 394.752x394.752 kilometers

1 large world = 197376x197376 tiles (in-game)

1 large world = 12336x12336 tiles (site travel map)

>>167837457
oh, these were somehow left out:

1 large world = 4112x4112 tiles (embark/region travel map)

1 large world = 257x257 tiles (world map)

>>167837281
You better not be one of our drawfags.

>I can't draw a figure in motion
>>just draw their limbs to indicate the action
>fffffffffffff

>>167839201
>You better not be one of our drawfags.
well I kinda am, although it's been a few weeks since I posted something. I guess it's about time.

>>167837281
If I had that I would use it, but I know there are pictures of circles that works better for me.

>>167839293
Please do, we've had a bit of a dry spell the last few threads.

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r8 my fort

We have a badger cannon

>>167840590
pretty cool desu

>>167840590
You had me at "badger cannon", really.

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A planter went berserk for some reason in the residences saw a kid tried to punch it two other kids across the hallway saw the fucker trying to punch their mate and just gangbanged the planter.

That is just hilarious.

>>167840590
Why specifically badgers?

>>167841757
What kind of stupid question is tha-... wait, actually, yeah, why badgers?

>>167841757
>>167842226
Would you want to see a cage full of ferocious war badgers flying through the air at you?

But there are secondary and tertiary batteries which can select from war rabbits, war adders, war wombats, war porcupines...

>>167840590
>multi-Z level rooms
my nigg

>>167816017
Hey man, sorry for the late response, I had that for a long ass time and forgot because of how long I didn't played DF, but I managed to find it back, it's Wanderlust

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=145362.0

I believe it's the "default" one, not certain, it's been so long but it look like my own screenshot.

>>167843134
Hey it's amusing.

I'm feeling dwarfy.

I went to the top of a goblin dark fortress tower and found a goblin lord, and slew him. I have only been to a few dark fortresses but shouldn't a demon be there too? Or are they somewhere else? Also I killed about 300 or so of them, but I assume there is probably about 10k in there (9.7k now). How long will it take for them to replenish their numbers through births? Just one year?

>>167846502
Only the first dark fortress of a goblin civ is connected to the underworld. This is usually also the only one which has a demon.

You can tell whether they are conected to the underworld or not by looking at their colours: those which are connected to the underworld are light purple, while those which aren't are dark gray.

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>http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=162023.0
What did he mean by this mod?

>>167847184
It was purple, at least the building in the zoomed in fast travel map was purple.

>>167847430
I don't think that's the same thing. I'm not sure, but I think they're always purple on the site travel map. It's the world map that matters.

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>>167847573
Yeah, gotta look in the exports from legends mode.

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>>167836660

>>167836660
Yes there is a guide, right in the op you retard.

>>167837389
>>167837457
somebody please screencap this for future use

>>167839293
please be honest-anon
We miss you, we can leave the past behind

>>167851607
Why don't you? Take some responsibility.

>>167851782
I actually was gonna do it, but each post is bigger than my screen, and I couldnt bother myself to do it
fuck it, I'll probably do it

DF newbie here. Can I play adventure mode and then transition that save file into fortress mode so it can use my adventure mode antics as world history?

>>167852541
Yes.

>>167852645
How do I go about doing that?

>>167853036
Retire the adventurer into a town or kill him off.
Start playing in the world again, this time in fortress mode.

>>167853215
Thanks, anon.

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What the fuck?

>>167853270
You can even retire that fortress, unretire your adventurer, retire your adventurer in your current fort and unretire your fortress if you really want your adventurer in your fort. Otherwise you just have to hope to get him/her in a migration wave/as a vistor.
>>167853518
First human diplomat? They just tell you everything that's happened to the humans since you created your fort.

>>167853518
>carving nice fort with your fellow dwarves
>this human just comes in and asks for a meet
>seat him in your expensive marble throne
>he's probably impressed by your fancy office
>"welcome to balizedfancies, my hum-"
>suddenly he gets up and interrupts you without even greeting
>he begins talking about every single human settlement that was founded or conquered
>every single human that was promoted or replaced
>about every single bad temper they have
>goes on for over 8 hours, he never takes a break
>you have to just stand there without blinking all the time

wow I would just *grabs him by the throat* and back the fuck off???

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Ideally, someone would put that information on this page:

http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Tile

By the way, what's the maximum landscape height in DF? probably -255 to 255, right?

>>167851748
Fuck yeah man.

>>167855272
1 to 400 in worldgen, and you can cover 100 z per layer for a total of 600 with a 100 z sky but I've yet to find an embark that exceeds 500 depth in prospect all, I can find stuff like -210 to 289 and whatnot but no luck on a full 600 depth, though I didn't use a worldgen that would drop mountains on top of oceans.

Mountainanon, what's the embark depth of Relicwebs?

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>>167854850
Just like visiting the parents.

How do I into combat in this game

iv started adventure mode three times now and have had my shit kicked in by the first Goblins iv encountered each time

>>167859872
>1 to 400 in worldgen
That is from hell to highest peak?

>>167860179
Nah, it's from ocean bottom to mountain peak, toss 100 above it for max sky and -200 for max layers?

>>167860119
Don't autoattack.
Pick your foe, pick your target, very square and easy if you got it, unless there's a cyan ! which indicates what is basically a critical hit opportunity.
Multiattack, choose your weapon/whatnot, dodge a tile away to keep from being surrounded.
If you can afford to have a hand free so you can grab at a weapon you can dodge away and keep it, then drop it, use it, or throw it at another enemy.

Look up Kisat Dur, too much to explain here, but it's basically about abusing quirks of the combat system that makes stuff like Mamgozumid (Dragonfall) possible: start out sprinting into a foe > aim a grab at their weapon > aim a jump through them > aim another grab so they can't dodge easily > laugh and laugh and laugh.

Do you guys use minecarts in your forts?

How do I deal with a Dwarf in my fortress that is just a complete cunt?

He has started 5 fights now, been hospitalised every time and cant even walk anymore because of how injured hes gotten

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>have gold, silver, iron, steel, aluminum and lead
>he makes it out of lead
He doesn't even prefer it

>>167861920
Put him in an execution chamber.

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>>167851748
>>167858368
You expected some cute Honestanon?

Too bad, it was Frownanon.

>>167861974
just forbid the materials you don't want

>>167862175
>But it was really me, Urist McDio!
I accidentally made a Viltrumite style civ in my ksbd entities, put in a hammerer but wanted to change them up and went with grasp_strike, that's how they do executions in Invincible.

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>>167861920
Wall him in and make a memorial slab and place it in the refuse pit.

>>167862504
Thanks.
Does forbidding them still work when the dwarf has claimed a workshop?

>>167862932
>>167862025
Its alright hes dead now
Tried to start yet another fight with the expedition leader, who promptly killed him

>>167863093
Long as they haven't started the artifact yet you can forbid and they'll go for new shit.

>it's raining loathsome ooze!
>dwarf goes to river to clean himself
>gets dirty right after it
>repeat

I really need to finish this well.

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Around Alfs, watch yoursalfs!

Should I put coffers or cabinets in my dwarves bedrooms?
A couple seem to have clothing items just laying on their bedroom floor

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>>167865269
I always put both.

>>167865269
cabinets. clothes can only be stored in cabinets.

some dorfs will always refuse to put their clothes in the cabinet due to sloppy personalities, but those are pretty rare.

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Locked outside and has been isolated for three years.

>>167867306
...
application for residency granted.

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>>167867306
That happened to one of my fishers under an undead siege but it was for only one year.
His thoughts were quite fucked up for eating small rodents for a year since he hated lizards with a passion.

>>167866992
Oh wow, that's the reason for random shit in someone's room?
That's actually pretty awesome.

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rate the ol' fort

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>>167869243
>>167868241
What a way to go.
Mine was walled out of the main for on a patrol of doom without a weapon, muddy fish was his diet.

>>167869695
that's an odd looking cavern

>>167869695
Very nice, whats it like underground?

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>>167869695
That looks awesome, at least compared to mine.
10/10, seriously.
However, what's the point of above ground forts for dwarves?
My assburgers would never allow it.

>>167865269
yes

>>167870286
Aesthetics

Yet even as I say that, I notice the whole thing is...

ASYMMETRICAL REEEEEEEEE

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>>167870237
bit boring atm. thinking about building a couple bridges along the inside of the river crevass and hollowing out the entire mountain interior. should make for a rad fort.

>>167870669
Hnnng...

I need to start a new fort, it's been too long.

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>>167869695
10/10
much better than mine

>>167871220
How do you keep to one z-level like that?
I always go like 10 levels deep for all the different industries and shit.

>>167872309
Im newer to the game, so im keeping to one floor since its easier to manage, once im used to this shit ill start going deeper into the world, id like to try and make a lava moat at some point

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If I leave the choice of the armor up to the dwarves do they always choose the optimal one or are stupid motherfuckers?
For example if I just designate the uniform of a squad to metal, will they choose the best quality ones and leave the rest in the stockpile or do they just pick up whatever the fuck they see first?
I really wish DF was open source so I could see.

>>167872849
They pick the best as far as I know, weapon type goes for skill I think. I haven't assigned uniforms in ages so I might be wrong.

Another day wasted playing fucking DF

>>167872849
Highest cash value, iirc. Lemme check the wiki.

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>>167873665
>in 2040 it still won't be the game I want it to be

>>167873665
Another day wasted not playing fucking DF

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>With your trade goods such as they are, I can't fathom you ending up with all of those items.

>tfw set pop cap at 100 and no good brokers arrived and now I'm managing a day-care fort because I forgot to change the child cap

>>167873665
I wasted my day playing dota and browsing /dfg/.
I wish it had been dwarf fortress instead :'(

also I should have studied

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>>167874565
>also I should have studied

>tfw I didn't study for 7 years and now I have to apply to another university

>>167849834
Thank you!

>>167874890
Hang in there anon, at least you have us folks at /dfg/ to tell you your fort sucks and you should consider switching to gnomoria!

>>167870071
Very comfy stuff drew. May I ask what happens when you attempt to do traditional portraits, you know, the ones with all the fancy lines and shading and proportions and other such devilry?

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>>167876740
>gnomoria
>proprietary software I'd potentially have to pay for

I just finished reading Dungeon Meshi and now all I want is for cooking to be in adventure mode.

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>>167876740
>gnomoria

>>167876740
>gnomorrhea
I wouldnt mind it so much if it werent "gamey" in its design.

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>>167877875
>finished
>i
>n
>i
>s
>h
>e
>d

>an ongoing manga

Yeah, you finished it just like I finished reading Berserk 10 years ago or getting the final release of DF 100 years from now.

>>167878380
finished everything available, whatever. I'll probably forget about it for like a year and then come back to see what new stuff was added.

>>167830926
>>167829427
>>167828752
wow I'm such an idiot
the reason I couldn't see the /df/ folder in my home was because I had it hidden -__-

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>>167878239
>gnomorrhea
kek

>>167874327
Merchants look at the profit percentage, not the absolute number.

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>>167879369
I know, that's why my complaint is that I only got
>no relevant skills
broker migrants and this one is slowly getting trained in brokering while I get brutally fucked in the asshole by the mountainhomes rock hard jewery cock.

>>167861021
>Nah, it's from ocean bottom to mountain peak, toss 100 above it for max sky and -200 for max layers?
Hmm, so mountains are more like hills, if we consider the 2x2x3m per tile estimate. A bit disappointing, really. Still miles - pun intended - better than skyrim. that 5x6km with a 350m "mountain" was really ridiculous.

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>>167876740
ewww.

>>167876959
You get something freaky like this.

>>167878070
This is a pretty good one anon, I haven't seen it before. Did you make it?

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>>167880850
Is that hagrid dreaming about drugs, goblins, and bewbs? Cool.

My hunters keep getting their asses kicked by Emus, is this what being Australian is like?

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>>167881186
He also lives on welfare, cant get cooler then that.
I was hired by some of my pals to do drawings for their youtube book "The Bottomless Bottom" (not out yet) The real story of Hogwarts and its fall from grace. It will be the greatest tale of fuckery since Finnegan Wake.

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>>167880828

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>>167880932
Yeah, here's a cleaner version.

>>167882904
Ok, this took a turn for the unexpected.
Chapter 7? Hired? Are you getting paid?

Slip some obscure df references into your drawings and I'll watch it.

>>167859872
Relicwebs is, interestingly, exactly 255 z-levels from the top of the sky to the bottom of the map. 117 of those are aboveground.

>>167882395
no
if you want to imagine what being australian is like, imagine everything is the same except your room is ~5 degrees warmer all the time and your internet is about 50% slower.
that's the only difference.

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>>167880850
>>167882904
>>167883749
>get paid for scribbling shit on paper

My degree in nuclear physics is making me feel superior right now yet i'm unemployed.

>>167883749
>>167884983
I don't know.

A lot of his dorf stuff has such a high quality that it could as well pass as comissioned artwork.

I doubt anyone would pay for these two, though.

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>>167883749
>>167884983
>>167885179
It is incredibly small fee, they are forcibly paying me. Main reason for working for them is because I grew up with the guys (and one of them is my brother in law).

I don't like to take money for my drawings. Its a shitty talent, feel crooked taking cash for it. Did a drawing for a fellow Ski Patrol yesterday and he wanted to send me 30 bucks for this pic that took me less then a hour to do.

>>167883749
It is still under production, but nearly done.
All of it together will equal out to 3:43:00
of audio read by a few of the writers.