/srg/ - speedrunning general

Bounceyboy is a better SM64 speedrunner than Squid.

>>167752496
What are their PBs? They speak for themselves.

>>167752691
Bounceyboy's pb is 2:02. What's squids?

>>167754342
I'm asking you. Are you retarded?

>>167754461
I can't find Squid's pb anywhere. I'm assuming he must not have one. Thus, bounceyboy is better.

>>167752496
Squid is a God Gamer, Bounceybald has nothing on him.

>>167754487
Then why would you make this claim? Faggot.

>>167755168
Because it is fascinating info!

I did find one Squid pb, but it's in a category that includes less than half of the game.

This makes Bounceyboy objectively better at SM64.

>>167755474
You mean you knew that all along? It's funny because BounceyBoy also runs that category with a time that is minutes slower, so now we have an actual comparison, you have your final outcome. Wrong again!

>>167756005
I'm talking about who is better at SM64, not who is better at less than half of SM64.

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>>167756063
>>167756005
Things are heating up in the Super Mario 64 fandom

Who /papermario/ here?

>>167756609
I am. But I don't know enough about it to talk about it at length, and I don't speedrun it either. I just enjoy watching other people speedrun it

>>167756609
>>167756693
you can't speedrun JRPGs

>>167756729
Fuck off faggot. I bet you don't even speedrun.

>>167757002
Why did you reply like that to obvious bait?

>>167756063
No, you moron, you are talking about who is better at the 120 star category, which is obviously BounceyBoy, seeing as Squid doesn't even run it. In 70 star it is Squid who is better.

Getting an extremely sloppy 120 time doesn't instantly put you above every 70 star player, especially if that persons 70 star time is worse than the comparison.

>>167757591
Because I can faggot. Tired of newfags in these generals who don't even speedrun.

>>167758028
>you are talking about who is better at the 120 star category
Aka the whole game.
>In 70 star it is Squid who is better.
Yes, squid has grinded less than half the game more than bboy and has achieved a slightly less awful time.
>Getting an extremely sloppy 120 time doesn't instantly put you above every 70 star player
2:02 in 120 star is harder to get than 54 in 70 star.

When will Squid admit that 70 star is a joke category that only becomes hard when you're going for a 48 or better?

>>167758028
name one 70 star main who has an even remotely decent 120 star time.

grindxmonkey

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>>167762303

Bounceyboy is shit. Apollo exposed him as a snowflake with thin skin.

Cosmo, if you're reading this, please end it already so this board can get back to trannyposting.

>>167758860
2:02 in 120 is babies first run with no major deaths. They both do 70, BounceyBoy has the worst time. You wanted a comparison, there you go.

>>167759221
Why don't you ask him?

>>167759581
If they are considered a 70 star main then they are not going to have a good 120 star time. It is a shorter category, you do the 70 star stars in 120 but not vice versa, so what do you expect?

>>167762445
BounceyBoy has been known shit for a long time. He flip flops, he's only played a few Mario and Zelda games, whiny and passive aggressive. The fact that he has a hugbox is mindblowing, he knows nothing about speedrunning and is a blatent jew.

>getting a 2:02 in 120 star is more difficult than getting a 54 in 70 star
>2:02 is over 20 minutes slower than the record in 120
>54 is 6 minutes off the record in 70
>

>2:02 in 120 is babies first run with no major deaths.
What do you think a 54 is?
>2:02 is over 20 minutes slower than the record in 120
>54 is 6 minutes off the record in 70
What does that have to do with anything? 70 star is literally "waiting to go back into the painting: the category"

120 star is not only much longer, but has a much higher gameplay to downtime ratio.

>>167763509
The biggest hunk of bait I have ever seen.

>tfw a bounceybald stream monster got blown the fuck out

>>167765280
But everything in that post makes perfect sense.

>>167763182
>getting a 2:02 in 120 star is more difficult than getting a 54 in 70 star
>2:02 is over 20 minutes slower than the record in 120
120 is roughly 5x harder than 70 star, so your ratios check out.

You'd have to be pretty fucking dumb to think that 120 and 70 star have an identical skill gap between bad players and WR.

>>167766213
Autist

>>167765850
>>167766213
You've been blown out, BounceyBald nuthugger. You wanted a comparison between two players and were trying to act like BounceyBalds 120 runs trump all, but didn't think that they both also do 70, so we had a fair comparison, and BounceyBald falls short.

>making up random statistic and ratios to look like you are in the know

Stop posting.

bounceyboy

more like

gassinggoy

BounceyBoy coming into /srg/ to try and shit on our 70 star runners is pretty low. Especially when he has a worse time.

Anyone have anything to discuss that isn't sm64 related?

>>167767818
Cyberbots: Full Metal Madness

Whatever happened to that speed run drama podcast with the sperg sounding aussie.

Videos were just google hangouts. Cyber was on one.

>>167769651
retro was the guys name

>>167769651
cyber isnt epic enough anymore so it got canned

>>167767196
>didn't think that they both also do 70, so we had a fair comparison, and BounceyBald falls short.
For that comparison to be fair you would need to factor in how much time each runner has put into 70 star attempts.

>>167771610
We're talking about who the better SM64 player is here, not how well each one has peformed down to the second of how long they've spent on the game. You started the comparison, bud, and you have a clear answer. Back to your hugbox.

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who is the trihex of speedrunning?

>>167772624
I'm pretty confident that if bounceyboy spent more than a week on 70 star he'd cake a 54-53, but he's been running pretty much only 120 star since the start.

Running 120 star exponentially increases your rate of improvement at 70 star. 70 star is stagnation incarnate.

>>167772810
He has spent more than a week on it, nuthugger. He even does runs of it now, when he doesn't have time for 120. If 120 helps you improve so much then surely he would have a better 70 time by now. It's all well and good saying 'h-he would have a better time if he tried!!' but that doesn't actually mean anything, it's just nuthugging gibberish.

You wanted your comparison and you got it. You were incorrect, as always. You should keep your mouth shut when it comes to speedrunning, the only thing you're good at is suckling BounceyBalls.

>>167772810
>doing something different helps you improve
it doesn't work like that

>>167773298
There's no point arguing with this newboi BounceyBald nuthugger. He's been here a few weeks and acts like he is a professional on SM64 after only watching BounceyBoy and a little bit of Cheese. He is almost always wrong and sucks the ever living hell out of Bouncey's Bald Balls.

>>167773026
>He has spent more than a week on it, nuthugger.
Not since he switched to N64 he hasn't.
>If 120 helps you improve so much then surely he would have a better 70 time by now.
For that to happen he would have to do attempts, though. He did do some attempts one day a few weeks ago and beat his VC pb by 2 minutes.

Soo, when did /srg/ become so shit?

>>167773456
Yes he has, I have seen it myself.

He also hasn't improved his 70 PB in a very long time, despite the attempts. He can't even improve his piss easy 120 time. By your logic he should be 'caking' a 53 after playing the skill-improving 120 full game category, but it's not quite working out like that.

>>167773596
>Soo

It's only new to you, reddit

>>167773669
>Yes he has, I have seen it myself.
You've seen him do a week's worth of 70 star attempts since he switched to N64?

Bullshit. You don't get to just make things up and have them magically be true.

>>167773728
>reddit meme
Upboated!
Now go back to ecelebposting

>>167773808
Not a weeks worth, no one plays for 'a week'. He has done attempts though.

>You don't get to just make up things and have them magically be true
That is literally what you do everytme you post about other people but BounceyBald playing SM64

Nuthugger scum, you have been decimated.

>>167773889
ok reddit

Imagine nuthugging BounceyBoyy of all people. Clueless, doesn't even like video games and only thinks Mario and Zelda exist.

>>167774696
noone is nuthugging bounceyboy, he's obviously awful at the game too. just not quite as awful as squid.

Grav's approach with Doom 64 is incorrect. Being 11 minutes off SOB in a 53 minute run is not right.

>>167776926
It's fine if he has like 50 splits lol

>>167777114
That is never fine.

Hotline niggas be warned yo
XCOM niggas be warned yo

Cuz yalls done woked up a trill nigga frum his sleepz yo. Dumb ass niggas...

Cran comin

>>167776926
its a unique circumstance because the game has been innovated by about 7 or 8 minutes in the time between my last PB. 3 or 4 more of those minutes are just being better at the game too

>>167777312
Then why have you not finished out more runs to get that free PB by minutes? It will do you better than resetting over and over for perfection.

>>167777386
I would do exactly that if there was someone else to compete against. I finished a 48 minute time that i just basically pretend doesnt exist... because zelllooo got a 48 something and I wanted WR back.

When its just me, my goal is my goal and i can only achieve it using the specific set of strategies required for it. Using different strats for a worse time for a PB just to feel good (this doesn't even make me feel good) only makes it take longer to actually get my final time. Its just skipping the baby steps because the natural evolution of time in this game isn't very linear like other games where you can just change a couple tiny things. The difference between 46 to 44 and 44 to 42 and etc is an entirely different ammo route and a change of approach on at least two thirds of the 25 levels

okay but seriously we can all agree that sm64 is boring trash at this point right

like grow up

>>167777635
>I am an inconsistent grind monkey

>>167777887
well im inconsistent because i die, but my pace is almost identical every run which is nice

>>167777842
It's objectively the deepest speedgame.

lol jk anyone who thinks that is batshit retarded.

>>167777842
>>167777995
It is unironically the deepest speedgame.

>>167778064
Define "depth."

>>167778064
well that's a bold claim to make unsubstantiated.

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>>167777979

>>167778064
You can't call game that is almost all grinding predifined movements deep. The only thing that requires improvisation in SM64 is random coin spreads and that always leads to autistic screeching, if it doesn't go 100% as planned.
Forbidden Memories is a deep game, because you need to come up with a strategy on the run and every second spent thinking counts against you.

>>167778463
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

>>167778463
Deep in the context of speedrunning means potential for optimization and skill ceiling. The movements aren't predefined. People keep finding ways to go faster, even without changing strats. The corners you can cut in SM64 are nearly limitless to the player.

>>167778884
Of course, this type of optimization depth isn't limited to SM64. Anyone who thinks that is stupid. There are all kinds of 3d games with a similar type of ceiling.

>>167779048
It's just that SM64 is competitive enough to have runners that really push it as far as they can. Most of the games that have a similar ceiling haven't been pushed as far because they don't have the brute force required to do so.

will titty skittles make me a better speedrunner

>>167778884
You mean WhiteAris finds a way to do it slightly more optimized and then Cheese copies the movement 100% and grinds it until he gets it exactly the way it is in WhiteAris's video unless a random coin is involved, in which case he will autistically screech at his TV.

>>167779705
This is absolutely not true. You obviously do not understand anything about SM64.

>>167780302
Get out.

>>167780302
>You mean WhiteAris finds a way to do it slightly more optimized and then Cheese copies the movement 100% and grinds it until he gets it exactly the way it is in WhiteAris's video
It's more like Cheese copies the strat and then improves Whitearis' time by seconds by optimizing the movement better, and then Toastrider improves Cheese's time by another several seconds by optimizing the movement better, and then Xiah improves Toast's time by seconds by optimizing the movement better, and then the human theory TAS optimizes it by seconds again and it still isn't perfectly optimized because it's a deep game.

>>167780442
>This is absolutely not true.
Explain to me how it isn't true.

>>167780475
You can run SM64 at a top 5 level without putting any thought into what you are doing just from copying strats and grinding. Fact! Can't do that with Forbidden Memories.

>>167780591
Because SM64 has so many different movement options and ways of interacting with the environment, optimally rolling out of dives, using different frame wallkicks to your advantage, keeping speed with speed kicks etc. No other 3D game can compete.

>>167780648
>top 5

You have absolutely no idea how much practice and runs you would need to do to play at that level. No idea.

>>167780742
>Because SM64 has so many different movement options and ways of interacting with the environment
This isn't exclusive to SM64 at all though lol. This is like what someone who only runs SM64 would say.

>>167780995
It isn't, no. But the level of depth is.

>>167780742
>sm64 is the only game with lots of tech and movement options
holy fucking shit imagine being this stupid

>>167777267
D-dayum this nigga went in

>>167781134
No other game has the depth that SM64 does.

>>167777887
Rekt

>>167781257
Sure thing buddy, keep on asserting that without substantiating it in any way. We're all taking you very seriously.

>>167781337
Everyone who knows anything about SM64 knows it is true. I don't need to convince mad stream monsters that their meme game they ran a few times isn't as deep as SM64.

>>167781573
I know more about SM64 than you do and I happen to know it isn't true. If you don't care what we think, why are you even here talking to us?

>>167781664
>I know more about SM64 than you do
That is incorrect, stream monster.

>why are you even here talking to us?
Why are you even here crying about playing inferior speedgames?

>>167781747
>That is incorrect, stream monster.
prove it. ask me anything about the game.

SM64 has literally only movement skill to go on. It requires no intellect or adaptability whatsoever. There is no improvisation required. All instances where you need to do something other than what you are used to is when you are using a backup strat that you have also already practiced. True speedkino requires fundamental adaptation as each run essentially guarantees a unique circumstance, ideally dozens or hundreds of them.

SM64 is a movementbabby game and it's not even the best movementbabby game, hence it can't be the best speedgame. Games like F-Zero GX are magnitudes harder to reach human optimal levels in.

JRPGs are on the other side of the spectrum and are intellectbabby games. 50 year old men whose reaction time is 500ms can get WRs in JRPGs if they are still mentally adept. Knowing how to react in numerous guaranteed unique scenarios is paramount.

Speedkino involves both complex movement skill at a high level and intellect/adaptability at a high level. Games such as Doom exemplify these qualities. Some games require adaptability up to a certain point, but once you practice enough, you will almost certainly encounter all possible scenarios. Super Metroid is an example of a game that requires intellect until you have enough experience... then you can rely entirely on experience.

>>167778463
>Forbidden Memories is a deep game, because you need to come up with a strategy on the run and every second spent thinking counts against you.
>come up with a strategy
fm has rng manip now. you just win 3 mbds at the start and pray for good rng in every duel

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$10 says he does it so sub-optimally that he loses time over the noob strats.

>>167781946
>these games are better because they are luck based

Lmao, keep em coming

>>167782043
Luck means complexity, unless the luck is always binary. Luck means a better player can create a larger gap between him than a worse player. For every extra dimension of gameplay you add, the more separation you will see between the truly gifted and the noobs.

Is re4 a good game to speedrun if you have never ran any games before?

FACT: It is harder to get top 100 in Minesweeper than it is to get top 10 in 120 Star.
FACT: Every top 10 Minesweeper player has an IQ of at least 130 while IQ is irrelevant to SM64 success.
FACT: Solving Minesweeper is NP-hard and different on every attempt while SM64 is almost completely constant and requires minimal mental effort.
FACT: The above facts make Minesweeper an objectively deeper speedgame.

>>167782023
As is the way with new players, I'm sure over time it will get better and better. Not everyone can ace everything perfectly after practice.

>>167782660
schooled rofl

I absolutely love how the BounceyBald nuthugger just keeps getting owned over and over.

can't we all just get along and watch anime?

>>167783059
F*CK anime

>>167783124
You have no idea how much I wish I could, senpai

>>167783059
Fucking degenerate jap lover, neck yourself.

>>167782660
It won't get better if he doesn't practice with a timer and understand how and where he's going slow.

>>167783164
We're one step closer with VR onifam

>>167783281
why so hostile, senpai? You should watch some anime to calm down desu

>>167782221
Just shut the fuck up and stop forcing your pathetic luck based shit in here when we're talking about real, skill based speedgames.

>>167783484
Fuck OFF cumcrab

>>167783318
>you need to have a timer running to practice how to do a trick
Haven't you grown tired of getting owned constantly? Out you go buddy. Your stupidity has grown too large, even for /srg/.

>>167783708
That's called speedrunning a skill based game.

>>167783708
so jrpgs are the purest speedgames?

>>167783615
>you need to have a timer running to practice how to do a trick
Of course you can do the trick without a timer, but you'll be doing it 5 seconds slower than anyone else without realizing it.

SM64 isn't just about doing the tricks, it's about doing them fast.

>>167784447
How so?

>>167784772
By having shit movement.

You have to actually focus on specifics in SM64. It's not just a matter of "if you do X trick you'll save X time." There's more to it than that.

People who practice without understanding how fast they're going develop habits around bad movement that they never improve. Focused and accurate practice is required to avoid this.

>>167785034
No shit. As with all games. I meant how does having a timer on help that.

>>167784298
JRPGs have no element of execution except menuing and button mashing.
The perfect speedgame has both high execution and high adaptability required. The prime example is Minesweeper, you need the aiming of a pro CS player and rapid thinking and improvisation to get a top spot on the world ranking. All other popular speedgames are lacking in at least one aspect. To make speedrunning greater than ever before we need to promote high execution high adaptibility speedgames and rid the hobby of pure execution crap like SM64 and pure luck crap like JRPGs.

>>167785202
>I meant how does having a timer on help that.
Because it can show you how slow you're doing a star that you think you're doing fast. Then you can find out what you're doing wrong and consistently track your improvement.

>>167785202
>how does using a timer help with optimization
GEE I DUNNO THERE SPARKY

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>>167785202
>As with all games.
>I meant how does having a timer on help

>>167785202
>how does having a timer on help that.
mrspeedrun tier mindset

>practicing for 70
LOL

>>167786480
Why is that funny? Everyone practices for 70 star. The only person who didn't is Biinny and it took him like 4 years to get remotely decent times.

>>167786602
>The only person who didn't is Biinny and it took him like 4 years to get remotely decent times.
He's still REALLY garbage at certain stars. He has like a 1:16 wdw100 and a 56 TTC100, among others.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TjMgvLyxMA

this is your chance serg

The fake SM64 poster knows nothing.

>>167789287
prove it

>>167773298
>it doesn't work like that
Doing 120 star makes your overall movement better. The mechanics of Mario are the same across the whole game, but 120 star involves much more complex. This improves your overall control of Mario more than the stars in 70 star do.

>>167792847
>120 star involves much more complex.
more complex movement*

collective out

>>167792847
And running Kaizo SM64 would make you better at regular SM64 too?

>>167793559
No, because you can't move fast in Kaizo. It's optimized completely differently.

You don't have to take my word for it that 120 star improves your 70 star ability tenfold. Ask any 120 star runner.

>>167794289
Because you do 70 star in 120.

>>167794289
>No, because you can't move fast in Kaizo.
this, and also because it's on an emulator. emulator practice doesn't really transfer over.

>>167794470
Yes, that helps, but what I'm saying is that running 120 star makes you better at 70 star faster than only running 70 star because most of the stars in 70 star are easy, and 120 star forces you to be better at controlling Mario than 70 star does.

>>167794660
Doing just 70 star practice makes you improve faster than practicing something different. It's just that no top tier runner mains 70 star. Xiah mains 16 star and he is good at 70 star too. But he and cheese would be even better, if they mained 70 star.

>the obsessed freak stumbles into the thread
>everyone stops and stares at him
>only bits of his insane drivel can be made out
>"...culturalxmonkeyxgrindx70starxmarxist..."
>the crowd remain silent until his incomprehensible tirade ends
>the obsessed freak wanders back out, sure to return
>squid simply sighs and continues with his scotch, knowing the obsessed freak is beyond all hope

>>167796284
accurate af

>>167796284
more like squid simply chirps

simply? more like chimply

squid more like squawk

duke? more like ahab after spearing beneziaa

bigxcock

>>167795358
All of the top 120 star runners are better at 70 star than 70 star mains.

>>167795358
Xiah is good at 70 star because he grinds all of the stars in 70.

Xiah would be better at 70 star if he ran 120 star.

>>167798037
False.

>>167798037
Why can't any 120 star runner get 0/1/16 star wr, if they get such godlike movement from the more complex stars?

>>167798140
Cheese CAN get the 16 star world record, he's been ahead of Xiahs run many times.

Also, Xiah is good because he does single stars of almost every star in the game, which involve the most complex movement of all.

>>167798406
At the end of yesterday's grind session he admitted himself that he has "so much to practice it's not even funny" and that he severely underestimated the difficulty of 16 Star.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1__iqbm2zS8

http://pastebin.com/JE5BQQuL

lol

>>167798658
xiah has better movement than anyone else, so of course his record in an easy, short category is optimized.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZvSEvVb6yQ

>>167799036
why does he keep doing this

can i get a list of who are /our/ girls?
>narci
>kazooiegirl
>?

>>167800568
beuchi
caitelady

>>167800568
me

>go into some female runners stream
>brazilian guys are posting their facebooks
woah

so this is the power of /srg/

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The more Cosmo obsessively posts about BotW, the more you know the crash and burn is going to be spectacular. I imagine he'll just try to overdose on whatever anti-depressants he's on, and then have to go to the hospital, where he'll die after they misgender him.

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>>167800568

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>>167803680
his current state of mind + complete fascination with BOTW is a recipe for disaster (hype for the game is absurdly overblown). and no one can stop it for fear of being called a bigot

>>167803680
>complains about cosmo obsessively posting about botw
>proceeds to obsessively post about cosmo
really makes u think...

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Can someone help me installing Defrag mod for quake 3? I get this error.

>>167805959
ok

>>167805959
no

>>167787893
too bad twitch accepted him back or this would have been the tipping point for cosmo

>>167805959
sent

>>167806014
>>167806151
>>167807080
casuals ;3

anyone else watching KING DARBIAN?

>>167809143
no i'm doing some work on my thesis paper then going to make some food and watch one of /our/ girls

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>pretends to not read the thread

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>>167811247

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>>167811814
You are like a wee baby

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>>167813160
>>167811814