/dsg/ - Demons/Dark Souls General

made and posted first desu

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xth for cute

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third for qt

Nth for Bestlord Nito and Gravelords will rise again

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>>167584191
>>167584387
Size is more indicative of race, despite the 'power = size' meme.

Gwyn is the most powerful opponent in the first game. Is he the largest? No.

The largest enemies in Dark Souls 3 are the Cathedral of the Deep giants (and the one in Irithyll Dungeon). They only drop a paltry 4000 souls.

Ornstein is the only character we see change size upon absorbing a soul. The same does not happen to Nameless King, nor Elfriede (if her third phase is her absorbing Ariandel's soul). It honestly seems like size changing is an ability unique to Ornstein.

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I've discovered the true form of Man.

>>167584496
Anon you dummy those aren't pilgrims, those are the failed snake men of Archdragon Peak

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yth for CUTE

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>>167583486
>>167583628
I guess so.
Most hosts I meet look more or less like this. I don't even get to go full Brutus on them, faggots die too early.

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>>167584671
>>167584462
post more cute

>>167584694
I wanted to buy Ringed City Edition for PS4, but I'm buttblasted because PS4 Pro apparently runs game with slightly better performance on boost mode. I just want to fucking smash my current PS4 and throw it away. Fuck Sony.

>>167584631
Not even Ornstein serves as a reliable sample since III all but states he's an illusion created by Gwyndolin. It's hard to know at this point.

Whats the deal with Ornstein, Smough and Anor Londo at the time of DaS anyways? The city is abandoned except for Gwyndolin, the illusion of Gwynevere, the Giant Blacksmith who talks about how everyone is gone and its quiet and them.
Were they just hanging out protecting Gwynevere without leaving that room? Were they hollows?

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How do I change my starting Class via CE?

>>167584631
The giants are also beaten and mutilated and probably lost most of their strength. An average giant is also worth a lot more souls than an average hollow too. We do see Ornstein grow in size dramatically when he absorbs Smough's soul.

ON THE OTHER HAND, it is possible that "normal" humans are the descendents of the furtive pygmy, therefore they are actually just fucking tiny. (The rats aren't giant, you're just small). Gwyn and the knights are actually the right size. However "pygmies" and "right-sized" humans are both the same race and can interbreed. That's why the Lothric royal family are so big, because they are descendents of Gwyn along Gwynevere's line. Other really big dudes like Suleyvahn might just be descendents of a knight's line.

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>Want exploding bolts
>Don't want to get my boy Greirat killed.

wat do?

>>167584567
Damn maybe I should make a smurf Fenito character

>>167585069
use collector's edition

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Papa Nito

>>167584631
Actually an addendum:
Size is generally a good indication of race, but mostly in the first game. Memeahacki went fucking wild with the 'dude larger enemies are more intimidating XDDD' shit in Dark Souls 3, so now almost everyone is huge. However, given that even a whole bunch of complete Hollows are still bigger than the player, it shows that power does not always equal size.

If you want a lore reason for the increase in huge humans in the second and third games, I've always imagined it as being due to
>Humans getting bigger as the Age of Dark gets nearer
>The Gods no longer have a coherent civilisation and so may have interbred with humans (especially royal and noble family lines), resulting in larger humans like Drangleic's court

>>167584852
Very true, so Ornstein is even less of an example of the norm.

>>167584910
>The giants are also beaten and mutilated and probably lost most of their strength
So is 'size = power' was true then they wouldn't be the largest beings in the whole game.

>We do see Ornstein grow in size dramatically when he absorbs Smough's soul.
But only Ornstein, no one else, and possibly not even the real Ornstein. He is an exception, not the rule.

Normal humans are descendents of the Furtive Pygmy. That is why Humans are generally smaller than Gods: they are descended from someone who the Gods saw as a Pygmy. However, the potential for Gods to be smaller than average is still there, as we see from Ciaran, the Daughters of Chaos and possibly Dusk.

Lothric royal family are likely very big because of Divine heritage, yes.

Sulyvahn probably isn't a humanoid, God or Pygmy. Judging from cut dialogue and the position of one of his spells in the Painted World, he's actually a sentient tree.

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>>167584867
Smough wanted hard enough to be one of the Four Knights that he realized that if literally everyone else was gone Gwyndolin would have no choice but to make him one.
Ornstein is not Ornstein, most likely just part of the illusion created by Gwyndolin, this one using the soul of the real Ornstein as a base [the franchise having established already that souls can be detached or fragmented to an extent. So Ornstein probably left his soul behind before setting off to find the Firstborn, similarly to what Vendrick did in his flight].
The Giant Blacksmith was frankly probably too dumb to leave, and just kept absorbed into his work for eternity, similarly to Vamos.
And lastly, Gwyndolin would never leave, because of everyone in Gwyn's court he was the only one who would never abandon him, unlike literally everyone else he chose to trust.

>>167584748
This is all the cute I have boss

>>167584270
my caster playthrough is being hindered by how hard dex weapons suck

what do I do?

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>>167577454
>>167578502
>>167584496
>Being this embarrasingly wrong
Jesus Christ
I'm going to wait for you to reply to make sure you're in this thread then I'll get started

>>167584867
Theories on this:

1. They were dumb dupes and just spent their entire life protecting an illusion. Gwyndolin manipulated them and threw their lives away as a test for the Chosen Undead. Gwyndolin, being a freakish shemale snake monster, seems to have a soft spot for the "hideous" darkmoon knight, and gave her special armor. Gwyndolin might secretly despise the glorious knights for standing in the sun while she was basically hidden from everyone by her father, and sought to destroy their legend (beaten in a 2-on-1) and kill them, just out of spite, while gaining a more powerful follower.

2. They were aware of Gwyndolin's lies and were trying to prevent the Chosen Undead from carrying out Gwyndolin's plan.

This seems to have less merit for 2 reasons:
A) Because it doesn't fit the personality of the honorable Ornstein, who was arguably the weakest of the knights (until he took Smough's soul) but was the leader. This implies that his position was chosen not for strength, but for loyalty.
B) Smough seems to secretly hate Ornstein, since he is actually the one to kill him. This is probably because Ornstein never made him a knight.

The two seem like they were forced together, not that they wanted to be together. If they weren't given an important task, Smough would probably have split.

3) They were just illusions created by Gwyndolin as a test; but powerful illusions that utilized shards of Gwyn's soul.

>>167585287
Anon, what else in life could you need other than the Magic Weapon variants and a thrusting sword?

>>167584910
>Other really big dudes like Suleyvahn might just be descendents of a knight's line.
There is cut dialogue from the tree you find his sorcery nearby. That tree apparently is yearning for her lost son.

>>167585338
Fine, tell me how it's wrong.

Besides the fact that Gwyn was probably originally one of "They" before he got his lord soul; which doesn't change the theory any.

>>167584867
>Were they just hanging out protecting Gwynevere without leaving that room? Were they hollows?
Illusions like Gwynevere

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>No one playing 1v1 Brawl
>No Hosts to cosplay invade
>Don't wanna go to Gank City and get ganked
>Beaten the game so many times making a new character sounds boring

Ugh I want to play this game but I don't want to play this game.

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>a ring given to undead legion of farron. reduces skill fp consumption
>the abyss watchers, for their hunting, required a sword technique that went beyond any existing art. wolf's blood provided just that, and this ring further extends the effect.

>skill: parry

>>167585659
undead legion of farron is not just abyss watchers
followers use a fuckload of weapon arts

How would you handle a portable Dark Souls?

>>167585595
Stop making quality and pyro builds, then. Pick something shitty that only has three weapons and make it work, like str/fth or dex/int.

>>167585595
Well. If you want to 1v1. For Honor Open Beta starts in 3 days.

Also I feel your pain, I just wish there was a little bit more variety. Some one please host a Unofficial patch FC.

>>167585502
P.S. Also don't tell me how Solaire isn't the firstborn, that part has been over with too.

Once again that's just an irrelevant tangent

>>167585784
>the abyss watchers, for their hunting

>>167585791
if you have actual controls (not a mobile game) you wouldn't need to change anything really, DaS is probably perfectly playable on something like a vita or a switch

>>167584867
>>167584867
After Gwyn left to link the First Flame and died, the rest of the Gods got shaken up and their civilisation fell apart. Most left to go start their own religions and followings around the world.

Gwyndolin stayed behind to watch over his father's tomb, and to maintain the illusion of Gwynevere so that when his and Frampt's phony prophecy eventually drew in an Undead warrior, they'd be met with the divine image of Gwynevere and feel really inspired by it (Gwyndolin is deformed and his existence largely kept a secret, so he wouldn't have been great motivation for his champion as opposed to mighty titties).

The Silver Knights stayed behind to guard the illusion of Gwynevere. Presumably they knew about the plan but were loyal enough to Gwyn that they were willing to give away their lives for the sake of the plan. Smough and Ornstein (though they might not be the real ones) are essentially a final test to make sure that the Chosen Undead is powerful enough to wield the Lordvessel and go claim the Lord Souls.

I think the Giant Blacksmith is there to make weapons and armour, which Gwyndolin would then animate through his magic in order to make guards and sentinels for the Chosen Undead to fight.

Are there any good Dark Souls crossovers that ya'll know of?

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>greatly increased the radius of cloud/mist pyromancies

This might be a little broken.

>>167585659
>A gem of infused titanite.
>Famously used to forge Farron greatswords.
>Used in infusion to create heavy weapons.
>A warrior can appreciate a heavy weapon, for they scale effectively with strength.
>farron gs C/A scaling
the abyss watchers were not smart men

>>167585937
>Dark Souls crossovers
Are you talking about games? Because no, of course not.

If you're talking about fanfiction, you'll be disappointed. While people get the general tone right surprisingly often, they fail to do anything new or noteworthy with the subject matter outside "character from another franchise obliterates low-level boss with their ridiculous end-game anime powers".

Crossovers combining Souls games with Wildbow's Worm are distressingly common, though.

>>167585954
What is this?

>>167585954
That patch is overall pretty bad. You can tell the guy is only a faithfag but only for buffs and similar.

Butchering homosword which is a weapon with nothing wrong a it currently is is also pretty dumb

>>167585960
Heavy gems removing Dex scaling but Sharp retaining Str scaling is fucking weird.
At 18/16 you get better results from a Sharp Mace than either heavy or refined

>>167586093
>Worm
Jesus fucking christ I hate all the crossovers this shit gets.
just why?
makes browsing spacebattles a fucking chore.

>>167584567
>>167585168
Nito is our lord and saviour.

>>167585954
This guy doesn't really have any idea how to balance tho.

>>167584270
would it have killed them to put in some real cheat prevention

like 30% of my invades are against hackers

Here is the real lore question:

Why do the Silver Knights of Anor Londo let Aldritch eat Gwyndolin ans then guard his throne room for him and keep the Darkmoon captain locked in a tower?

As a worshipper of Dark, doesn't Aldrich stand against everything they believe in?

Or is the answer just a cop-out "They are all hollow they have no reasons for anything"?

>>167586097

A nexus mod with weapon/spell adjustments. e.g. Deacon's Candlestick deals dark damage instead of magic damage, force has combustion animation, ring/buff nerfs in PvP undone...

>>167586117

Yeah, it needs some work. I like what he did with the catalysts and the Pontiff weapons, though.

About the homosword, I think he was trying to make it usable by both FAI-hybrids and quality-dudes, but yeah I don't really know if the changes were necessary.

>>167586303

Perhaps, yeah. It's made sorcery/miracle runs a lot more bearable, though.

>>167586097
Unofficial patch made by some redditurd.

>>167586504
Alternatively, the silverknights still left in Anor Londo are the ones that were weak in their loyalty and abandoned their real masters.

Which is why they drop proofs of concord kept.

>>167586504
>They are all hollow they have no reasons for anything
Either this or they don't know what's going on in the cathedral, only that Gwyndolin is inside so they defend the place blindly.

>>167586504
The real silver knights are in the room with gwynevere painting and they don't respawn. The ones in Anor Londo are likely to be just another illusion.

>>167586504
Silver Knights in AL cannot be taken under control with Rapport. This means that they are either not humans but rather monsters made by Pontiff to resemble silver knights, or that they willingly switched sides.

>>167586293
Because the setting is designed to be flexible and easy to adapt entire franchises to. It's literally just Earth with the only difference being a quantum alien god. Writing fanfictions for that shit without breaking canon is so easy anyone could do it.

To give you an example, the author once stated that all his stories take place in the same extended multiverse, and that crossovers were possible but wouldn't happen for a while.

>>167586734
This doesn't seem likely, otherwise certainly they would have noticed the giant curse-vomitting furry spider walking into the place.
Or maybe they'r eprotesting the fact that From will never implement Faithful-Darkmoon War mechanics

>>167586734
Or, you know, they take orders from Pontiff now like the equipment says.

>>167585502
Okay 'They' are Hollows. Your mistake is assuming that Hollows are immortal. They're not. Immortality is a result of the Darksign. Hollowing is not a condition created by the Undead Curse, the Undead Curse causes Humans to *revert* to their prehistoric Hollow state. The Darksign causes you to come back to life, at the loss or your souls and humanity. Eventually the loss of these metaphysical elements, as well as a loss of will power due to the completely fucked existence you're living, causes you to become Hollow. Hollow is the natural state of Humans and Gods alike.

Humans and Gods are biologically the same, both being Hollows with souls in them, but they are different races (in a magical sort of way). The Gods' difference in size is not only due to their soul: the Hollow who found the Dark Soul was a Pygmy, so his descendents, the Human race, are Pygmy sized. However, the potential still exists within Humans to become very large (people from certain nations, people of certain bloodlines), and the potential still exists within Gods to be very small (Ciaran, Daughters of Chaos).

Gwyn did not cause the Undead Curse. The Undead Curse was his motivation for linking the First Flame. We know the Undead Curse preceeds Gwyn's linking, because Gwyn valued the Four Kings of New Londo, who were leaders of an Undead city. Gwyn probably gave them his Lord Soul fragments because they were able to figure out ways to corral and calm Undead, while everyone else struggled to. Furthermore, we don't know when Artorias of the Abyss takes place, but assuming that Artorias is acting on Gwyn's orders, it must be before he linked the fire, but the presence of bonfires in Oolacile shows Undead are around at the time.

(cont)

>Got 15 sunlight medals just by helping people with smelter today
Why bloodborne online can't be that active?

>>167587127
Sotfs?

>>167585502
>>167587094
The Undead Curse occurs when the First Flame is going out and the power of Dark waxes. Anything with Humanity in it is vulnerable to the Undead Curse. This is why we see Undead dogs and rats: they've eaten Human flesh and so imbibed the Humanity within (we know from Smough and Aldrich that cannibalism is a method of obtaining souls), therefore making them vulnerable to a condition that usually only affects Humans.

In Dark Souls 3, what you think is a hostile pilgrim is actually a serpent man, like those from Sen's Fotress. It's alright, I actually made the exact same mistake when I saw that guy and thought he was an aggressive Pilgrim. Oceiros became obsessed with dragons and his obsession lead him to Archdragon Peak, from whence he obtained a serpent man, a Drakeblood Knight and the Path of the Dragon method of meditation.

The Pus of Man we see in Lothric is also Oceiros' fault. While it is serpent like, it is clearly much more *dragon*-like - those pointed, horned faces are more like Drakes than the Jewly Frampt and Kaathe. We know that Pus of Man is a form of the Abyss, but we also know that the Abyss is humanity running wild: and Oolacile told us that humanity running wild can be caused by sorcery. The citizens of Lothric aren't reverting into Primordial Serpents, they're infected by Oceiros' repeated and multiple failed sorcerous attempts at creating and researching dragons. This is why the two Wyverns are afflicted with it too: Oceiros probably used them in his experiments, without much luck.

>>167587146
Yeah, ps4 version at that

>>167586952
What equipment is that?

>>167586504
>>167586734
>>167586776
In all likelihood they've been afflicted by the Profaned Flame, like the Fire Witches and Pontiff Knights. They're Gods so they can't go Hollow (or rather, they can't be afflicted by the Undead Curse), but they're still vulnerable to the effects of the Profaned Flame and therefore Sulyvahn's influence.

>>167584270
I would listen to a dark souls themed black metal band.

>>167587094
>>167587182
>The Pus of Man we see in Lothric is also Oceiros' fault. While it is serpent like, it is clearly much more *dragon*-like - those pointed, horned faces are more like Drakes than the Jewly Frampt and Kaathe. We know that Pus of Man is a form of the Abyss, but we also know that the Abyss is humanity running wild: and Oolacile told us that humanity running wild can be caused by sorcery. The citizens of Lothric aren't reverting into Primordial Serpents, they're infected by Oceiros' repeated and multiple failed sorcerous attempts at creating and researching dragons. This is why the two Wyverns are afflicted with it too: Oceiros probably used them in his experiments, without much luck.

Anon, if you're going to call out another person for their stupid headcanon (and I agree that he's terribly wrong), you really shouldn't try to weasel your own stupid baseless headcanon in. That just defeats the point.

>>167587438
What would their song titles and band name would be?

>>167584895
Just make another one

>>167587479
What's the flaw in my reasoning there, then?

>>167587217
I'm on original 2, my cleric will never have sunlight spear, and God damn did they fuck over lightning spears otherwise

>>167587640
You can farm Medals fyi

>>167587638
Not that anon, but how that explains countless statues (especially in CotD) featuring various stages of Pus of Man contaminated progression? It's clearly part of their faith.

So when you kill hollowed out characters at the end of their questlines, they're just showing up at a bonfire somewhere else and wandering off right? Whether you showed up to kill them doesn't make a difference.

>>167587795
The Pus of Man is not unique to Lothric Castle. I was only describing that one incident, which was caused by Oceiros. We know from the Follower's Torch that it has occured in other places too. Given that the Deep is related to the Dark/Abyss, they have likely experienced other forms of Pus of Man and included it in their beliefs.

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>>167587640
I can sort of relate to your pain, Anon
Been trying to get Great Lightning Spear in 1 and it similarly isn't going well

>>167587638
The fact that the only evidence it's based on is subjective, for one.

You say the Pus of Man was caused by Oceiros because it looks kinda like a dragon if you squint a bit. They have "horns" (which are roots and wood, if you actually take the time to look close), they have hands, though the oversized left hand is so synonymous with Manus as to be his signature at this point, and they don't resemble Frampt/Kaathe who themselves look more like turtles than serpents.

You then admit that the Pus of Man existed before Oceiros did any of his weird shit, which by itself demonstrates that he didn't have jack shit to do with its creation. Your explanation for this is that "sorcery can cause changes in people" and point to Oolacile as an example, ignoring the fact that the sorcery in question was both dark-based and created the Abyss. While the Flame of Chaos and Profaned Flame were also likely created through sorcery, which would lend credence to such a theory, the fact is that no sign of such a powerful, uncontrolled, mutagenic sorcery can be found in Lothric Castle, let alone the fact that the Pus of Man already originates from another source that predates Oceiros altogether.

Your reasoning is shit, basically. That tends to happen when you start with the theory first and look for the evidence second.

>>167587668
Aren't those spots from sotfs?

>>167587954
Just kill bugs, it's not very hard

>>167588098
According to wikidot, overseers and falcon knights can always drop them in vanilla too

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Pyromancer here. Suggestions? Ditch VIT for INT/FTH? Is 15 END enough stamina in your experience?

>>167588350
40/40 is enough, no need to go 45/45.
Put the remaining 10 into either Vig or End

>>167588350
>going over 40 int/fth
>30 att
>25 vig
>15 end
>bloated str/dex
lmao

>>167588350
Just stick with 40/40, those 10 extra points are wasted and could be used for vig

>>167588289
Gotta be in a NG+ or raise the intensity of the fire then it seems though
What route would you recommend

>>167588350
>25vig
You gonna die like a bitch.

>45int/45fth
Yes, dark spells cast with izalith staff, caitha's chime, sunless talisman, and magic/lightning spells cast with crystal chime softcap at that point instead of 40/40. No, pyromancy does not, and unless you're using only dark spells or the crystal chime you aren't getting anything for those 10 wasted levels. Even then you aren't getting anything worth having since dark spells are too weak to matter.

>16str/17dex
Fucking why? What weapon are you equipping with such high requirements that isn't also perma-fucked by your low Vigor and Endurance?

Get 40vig, 30att, 40int, and 40fth. All other stats are secondary.

>>167588350
45/45 is more than you need, you're good if you've got at least 35/35

At least hit 27 vig and 20 end holy fuck

>>167588576
Join champions covenant and farm Mounted Overseers in Harvest Valley; no need for NG+

>>167588032
My reason for pointing out they're more dragonlike is because, if they do represent humans turning into some sort of serpent, something dragon-like seems more likely than something like Kaathe or Frampt.

I have said that Oceiros was the cause of the outbreak in Lothric Castle. Not the cause of all Pus of Man everywhere. If I rub butter into my face I am the cause of all the pussy spots I will get, I don't retroactively become the cause of every case of acne in the entire world.

Did you miss that Oolacile was a city of accomplished sorcerers before the Abyss incident? Do you not know what golden sorceries are? Oolacile discovered dark sorceries, but presumably it was them digging up and experimenting on Manus that enabled that. Their experimentation would have started off with their golden sorceries.

Oceiros is an insane fucking sorcerer, backed up by a giant library castle also full of insane fucking sorcerers. He's a practitioner of crystal magic and he has one of the crystal sages working for him. Crystal sorcery is the fucking hallmark of 'yeah we're going into the deep end lads.' The Grand Archives scholars are known to carry out foul experiments, having experimented on Gertrude's chime and infected it with crystals. The royal family was obsessed with producing someone worthy to link the fire. How were they going to do that, just by fucking loads and hoping something would come of it? Prince Lothric is a deformed fucker with dragon-like hands, implying he too was a victim of his father's obsession and experimentation, and his unique gold/white magic and the feathers all over his room imply that the research done on Gertrude and/or her chime was put to use on him.

My major point is that the Pus of Man is not a transformation into the Primordial Serpents, but if you have some theory as to what's causing it, then please, elaborate.

Best starting class for FUCKING STR build? Knight or Warrior? Looking for 66 FUCKING STR for maximum two hand potential.

>>167588654
Aight cool, what's their drop rate for them like?

>tfw you can't handle having odd numbered stats and have to waste a level in something like int or res on every build

Please tell me Cremefilled wasn't supposed to drop something, especially something good for sorcerer.

Because I just bullied her into rolling down the cliff.

>>167588797
depends on how heavy your setup is and whether you like WAs or not. just use the calculator at mugen

>>167588797
warrior, knight is impure with all that dex

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Filthy Weeb BTFO, How can he ever recover!

Honestly though, this has been really fun. Most R1 Spamming idiots get, and anyone decent enough has to go through a shitty Shield+Spear.

>>167588797
Basically depends on the dex reqs youve got. 12 lets you use the millwood bow I think.

>>167588819
Rare to very rare

>>167588481
>>167588492
>>167588579
>>167588589

Carthus Greatsword with Chaos infusion

A/A scaling in INT and FTH

>>167589160
If you have the DLC the Onyx Blade is a better choice

>>167589160
you don't even meet the reqs for that

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2 DAYS

>>167587585
No idea. But it could be something similar or better to what Soulmass did.

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>>167589253
I do have it but I'm not there yet with my pyro so I can't tell which I'd prefer.

>>167589295
With hunter's ring I would, two levels in STR included.

How's this?

Oh for fucks sake.

I am at SL46, at champion Gundyr, sorc, forgot to re-allot my estus flasks, so I have no ashen ones, I left my parrying shield at bank, for some goddamn reason and my best weapon is currently moonlight greatsword...

And to top that all off, I have 150k souls. This is not going to be fun.

>>167588782
>My reason for pointing out they're more dragonlike is because, if
>if
>they do represent humans turning into some sort of serpent, something dragon-like seems >seems
>more likely than something like Kaathe or Frampt

See this here? You've already decided ahead of time that it has to be this way, and having decided that you then tried to find evidence supporting this. Note how much time you had to spend on the Oceiros bit to support your interpretation of it before you could use it as evidence for your interpretation of the Pus of Man. This is called "twisting the facts".

Oceiros cannot have been the cause of the Pus of Man in Lothric any more than Oceiros could've created any other abyssal creature using non-abyssal sorcery.

>Did you miss that Oolacile was a city of accomplished sorcerers before the Abyss incident?
Again,
>ignoring the fact that the sorcery in question was both dark-based and created the Abyss
The sorceries that resulted in Oolacile's citizens turning into abyssal abominations were themselves abyssal in nature. They were not dragon sorcery, they weren't golden sorcery, it was abyssal sorcery. You can't presume anything about the specific origins of abyssal sorcery beyond what is stated in-game. That way leads to madness.

Crystal sorcery is a jump off the deep end into a very specific direction. At no point does crystal sorcery ever cross over with dark sorcery; just because they both result in madmen at the end does not mean they're necessarily related or the same type of madman. There is no single demonstration of the two overlapping, and the only "evidence" you have for it first requires proving a connection between Oceiros and some sick hollows when sufficient explanations for both are already given.

Prince Lothric's hands are identical to Gwyndolin's, for the record. They are claw-like, not dragon like.

Pus of Man probably isn't a transformation into Primordial Serpents, or anything for that matter.

(cont)

>>167589481
>>167588782

Pus of Man probably isn't a transformation into Primordial Serpents, or anything for that matter. It's probably exactly what it looks like: an infection of free-willed wild Humanity. Note how the infectee's base form remains unchanged except for all the black goopy shit exploding out of them. Gundyr, the hollows, the dragons. It's no transformation.

As for what's causing it, of course no one has any idea. The game doesn't elaborate beyond connecting it to the abyss, and trying to find evidence for anything would require fabricating that evidence wholesale. It's a mystery, there isn't enough data in the game to answer it, our best hope is that the second DLC will explain it a little more like the first one did.

>>167589649
Pus of man is probably similar to what happened to Aldritch.

Maybe he turned into goopmonster before he ate all those men, and Hawkwood just doesn't know the real story.

>>167589476
You can just go back to the shrine

>>167589826
They both do take extra damage from anti-abyss weapons and fire. And they both look similar (in the intro video, at least). That's probably not wrong.

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What the.
Guys?
I was just here minding my own business, waiting for Sunbro summons so I could get my miracle, when I suddenly alt+tabbed back into the game and I got the message "invading world as dark spirit" despite not being a darkwraith, not having a red sign down, and definitely not having used a Cracked Red Orb.

What the hell just happened?

>>167589431
26 is the first level of endurance to give 3 stam instead of two, and youre allready almost there.

I'd really consider going 35/35, investment wise thats about the same as a 60/10 sorc or 10/60 cleric.

How does blue sentinel covenant switching work?

Do I just have to switch between DMB and Blue Sentinels? Or do I have to switch from either to mound makers, warriors of sunlight, etc.. ?

>>167589928
Phantom swap. It's an uncommon bug where you sometimes spawn as a different phantom type than what you were trying for. I've had white signs turn into dragon spirits before. Just leave and try again, it shouldn't happen twice in a row.

>>167589929
>Wrote "3" numerically and "two" as a word
What am I doing

>>167589928
That happened to me once. It's just a rare harmless bug.

>>167589889
Nah, fuck walking back.

Besides, I already killed him, but it wasn't fun. My biggest autism is I absolutely hate starting a run for something and then relying on other things.

You know, this is a sorcerer run, but I've mostly played it as a really low stamina GS user with magic damage sword.

>>167590013
>>167590035

Ah, alright then, thank you
That was a weird experience.

>>167590190
Just use a homeward bone. Always buy enough homeward bones.

>>167590190
It's just 5 minutes you autist

>>167590292
Yeah, but I would have had to walk back.
Also now I have infinite homeward bones.

>>167590340
Yes, we already established I am an autist, a lazy autist at that.

>>167590460
>infinite homeward bones

Trade it for a slab. Buy homeward bones.

>>167590570
I don't need slabs at this juncture.

>>167590190
>sorcerer run
>raising str/dex ever
You're doing it wrong. Sorcerer starts with the base stats for using a Rapier. That is your one and only melee weapon. You aren't a strongman with a magic bludgeon, you're a noble fop with some schooling and a disdain for all things common and mundane.

>>167589331
Those "leaks" sound retarded, to be honest.

>>167589481
>You've already decided ahead of time that it has to be this way
No I haven't, because I agree with you that
>Pus of Man probably isn't a transformation into Primordial Serpents, or anything for that matter.
By 'if,' I didn't mean 'if I'm right,' I meant 'if the other anon is right and POM *is* a transformation into something.'

>You can't presume anything about the specific origins of abyssal sorcery beyond what is stated in-game.
But there is nothing in game that says Dark Bead, Dark Orb or Dark Fog preceeded Oolacile's discovery of Manus. All the game says about it is that they were "discovered by a sorcerer on the brink of madness" or something. If I am not allowed to say that they did not stem from Oolacile's experimentations on Manus, then you cannot say they were the tool of Oolacile's experimentation on Manus. However, the game DOES provide us with a turning point in Oolacile's history: 'upturning the grave of primeval man.' In my opinion this is the most likely time that Oolacile would have started experimenting with and developing Dark based magic, because there is no indication of an interest in Dark before that point.

>At no point does crystal sorcery ever cross over with dark sorcery
Actually,
>This sorcery may offer a clue as to what Logan sought, but further investigation suggests its attraction to living things mirrors the nature of the dark.
This is from Homing Soulmass, but the "attraction to living things mirrors the nature of the dark" thing presumably extends to Homing Crystal Soulmass too. A weak connection, admittedly, but it's more than nothing.

(cont)

>>167590647
TRADE IT. IT'S FUCKING USELESS WHEN YOU CAN BUY INFINTE HOMEWARD BONES WITHOUT HAVING TO DEAL WITH SOUL MEMORY.

HOOOOOOOOOOMEEEEEEE WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD BOOOOOOOOOONES

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>mfw bell keeping with this bullshit build
Magic has no right of being this fun for me

>>167589481
>>167590725
I must also point out that Pus of Man is found exclusively within Lothric (in game, not lore wise). The greatest concentration of it is found in Oceiros' garden. The Grand Archives key also describes the Pus of Man as spreading through the castle. This puts the cause of the outbreak somewhere within Lothric Castle. No, I can't from here say that it must be Oceiros' doing, but in my opinion it points in that direction.

Lothric's long, claw like hands are also identical to Oceiros' and Seath's. If we could get a good look at Lorian's hands we'd be able to tell if Lothric's claws are due to heritage or experimentation, but his gauntlets make things quite tricky. Gwyndolin's clawed hands are kind of interesting, because I swear they were normal in the first game. I also think that there is a connection between Seath and Gwyndolin if we're on about pretty femboys being molested by deformed dragons, if you feel like arguing about that too :^)

>>167590652
>mlgs
>common and mundane

>>167590779
>le funie faec
>dumash
hey dsp, did you do ariandel yet?

>>167591015
It's literally the first time i even touched the character maker, i usually just roll whatever default i get.
The name is both a dsp reference and a ds3 reference, but i guess i could have put some actual effort in making an actual character.
Also
>SpellSpammer has invaded
>rolls into pursuer + soul spear
>1700 damage, instant death
That i'm sorry carving is proving himself quite useful

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>>167590826
>there is a connection between Seath and Gwyndolin if we're on about pretty femboys being molested by deformed dragons

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>>167590725
>By 'if,' I didn't mean 'if I'm right,' I meant 'if the other anon is right and POM *is* a transformation into something.'
Moving on, then.

>regarding Oolacile and dark sorceries
At no point did I say they were the tool of Oolacile's experimentation on Manus. In fact, I attribute nothing to them at all, since by their own description they were created by a single person. Not the civilization as a whole, not the product of organized study, but one madman delving into things he really should not have. That would make them a byproduct of the Abyss, and not much else.

>Homing Soulmass
I'll grant that Logan's spell gets awfully close to dark, but it never crosses the line. It isn't classed as a dark spell, it gets no dual scaling or even DS1's physical scaling, and while it may aim at living things before firing it doesn't outright home in on them. It's as dark as sorcery gets, but it still isn't dark.

Yes, I'd agree that the current Pus outbreak clearly originates in Lothric Castle. But AoA establishes the Pus of Man as being Abyssal in origin and that they were a common enough sight during the Legion's hunts that they carried special countermeasures specifically for it. If anything, I'd say their presence in Lothric Castle hints at an as-yet unrevealed abyssal contamination there. For instance (just one possibility), if the angelic faith was introduced by Kaathe as a counterpoint to the normal god faith, it might have some... side effects... in its users. Those serpent statues needn't be Frampt, since the two are perfectly identical.

>>167591356
>implying there's ANYONE dumb enough to get hit by magic in DS2
that 5 vigor of yours mean i can chip you with 5 throwing daggers kek

Where the FUCK is ALDIA

I know the majority hates DS2 and all, but I still think Aldia was one of the few great things that came out of DS2.

But where the fuck is he? Shouldn't he haven shown up by now, as hes tied to the first flame? ffs the second ending, even hinted him helping the chosen undead in trying to find a cure for hollowing.

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>>167589431

Don't fall for the 120 meme. Just go 130 and enjoy like I have.

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>>167591782
The first flame died, anon. We have a new first flame now.

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>>167591812
>40 VIG

>>167591782
Hopefully this pretentious faggot will forever be forgotten, he's a late and extremely lame attempt at fixing DS2's lore that doesn't add anything substantial aside from "or perhaps...."-tier pretentious vagueness.

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>>167591901
Please tell me you don't actually think 27 is the "softcap".

>>167591861
Silly Anon, there is only one Flame.

>>167591782
Well, is there anything substantial that disproves the connection between Aldia and the First Scholar of the Grand Archives?

>>167591812
>inb4 frogs screaming about the extra 10 levels

>>167591985
Don't tell me you don't know what a soft cap is.

>>167591471
>In fact, I attribute nothing to them at all
But you said
>ignoring the fact that the sorcery in question was both dark-based and created the Abyss
Which I took to mean 'the sorcery that drove Manus' humanity wild.' Let me be clear, I *wasn't* talking about what transformed the Bloatheads: that was almost certainly the Abyss. I was talking about the sorcery which transformed Manus himself and drove him wild, which I assume must have been Oolacile's golden sorceries, because before Manus went ham and the Abyss spread they probably wouldn't have had any dark sorceries.

My point about Logan's spell was more that, if soul and crystal sorcery can get that close to Dark in nature, then I don't see why it couldn't provoke humanity into going wild.

The Pus of Man stemming from the Angels is actually entirely possible and not something I had considered before, and it also helps me make sense of something: the Ascended Winged Knights have some gooey black shit under their feathers, implying their wings are actually another sort of Pus of Man infection. My main problem with the Angels as something Dark related is the colour of Lothric's spells, which are bright white and gold, but we don't actually know what the Angelic religion teaches so it certainly could be pro-Dark. Those serpent statues are almost certainly of Frampt though, given Lothric's obsession with linking the fire, and apparently all the ones closest to P.Lothric's room are smashed.

>>167592013
>Silly Anon, there is only one Flame
On the contrary. There is only one flame at any given time, but there is one canon age of dark before Dark Souls 3. If Aldia was bound to the flame, he could easily have died when it went out.

>>167592060
Softcap is the point where returns for investment exceed the assumed value of the level spent.

Diminishing returns is the point where the returns for investing are less than what they were for previous levels.

The true softcap for Vigor is 50, since the returns after that point are so diminished that your build is mathematically weaker for going over it. 25 is just one of several diminishing return points leading up to 50, and 27 is just the amount chosen by dumb autists who like shiny things and perfectly round numbers.

>>167591929
I agree that it was a hotfix, trying to tie up some lose ends, but imo he was a great character, he shed some more light on what happens in the world, no matter if you choose to link the flame or not - its all the same.

I think he had some real interesting aspects and viewpoints on the lore.

>>167592095
>one canon age of dark
What the are you talking about, there hasn't been an age of Dark between DS2 and DS3. The first flame is still the same first flame from the DS1

thats why it barely burns you out, if you choose to link the fire in the 3rd game - it has gotten weak, meaning the age of dark will eventuelly come, wether you choose to link the flame or not.

>>167592291
You're talking about hardcap, you stonking great fiddletrumpet.

How the fuck do I deal with fucking greatshields ?
Some faggot invaded me and somehow hit me with a straight sword when I was out of fucking range.

>spamming black flame
>they roll away when they're about to get shieldbreak
>same thing happens with kicks

I'm really considering one shotting these passive cunts.

He invaded me again shortly after but then black crystalled home. Fucking faggot.

>>167592478
a hard cap would mean you stop getting anything out of leveling it at all

>>167591782
Did you light all of the Primal Bonfires? Because you were supposed to light all the Primal Bonfires.

>>167592478
Isnt the hardcap when the return is 0

>>167591985
It's not about the softcap. 40 points in VIG is ridicolous. It would have been reasonable if you were using Fire Clutch Ring, but this makes you look like a scrub.

>>167589826
>>167589912
Aldrich is definitely a cannibal and we know eating people imbues the eater with humanity. I think that Aldrich eating people made it so when he popped he popped extra hard and became a goo monster instead of a more defined creature.

>>167592567

Since you're a Pyro, just keep spamming BF when in range. Not like he can do anything.

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>>167592013
>Aldia and the First Scholar of the Grand Archives

>>167592567
Try Bleed or poison

>>167592582
>>167592576

Which is what he called "True softcap"

>>167592619
>triggered by 40 vig

You can always play in your SL 80 zone.

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>>167591985
let those retards be
the more there's people running with 1000 hp the better it's for us

>>167592771
no that's when it stops being worth it, you still gain hp leveling past that point, the hard cap is 100 when you stop gaining any hp at all

>>167591545
Yup, 800 and something HP.
Just for comparison, i forgot to take off all the rings when i tried to jump into majula's hole with the silvercat ring and i died for the extra weight.
>ANYONE dumb enough to get hit by magic in DS2
I have 3 catalysts and the mace and the fire longsword at +9 because of all the titanite chunks i get.
I also have a caestus at +8 or something so, yeah, people get hit by magic
Plus, by having 2 staffs with different cast times, i can bait for rolls with the fast sorcerer staff and follow it up with the slower sunset staff.
Remember they have to do this while also avoiding my pursuers

>>167592824
It's not the 40 vig, it's all the free stats along with it.

That pyro goes to FCs and keeps spamming fire surge hiding behind ethereal oak.

>>167592824
excuse me, any good sl80 build has at least 39 vig

>>167592672
Almost never work, but I can keep trying.

>>167592684
Bleed weapons usually bounce on greatshields, when one handed. 2 handed does it bounce ? I was thinking about warden twinblades, I looted one earlier.

>>167592567
you take out a dark longsword and chip their asses to death

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>play really early in the morning when the yurps are up
>fun, engaging duels with interesting builds and complex strategy

>play during the day when the burgers are up
>bleed carthus, running attack spam, crystal soulmass backstepping, glitching, gimmicky builds, parry baiting, fights devoid of complexity that end in snarky gestures

hmmmmm

>>167592936

I only purely spam Fire Surge against Alex.

>>167592947
Nearly no weapon bounces in 3. 1h SS and 2h CS don't bounce from any type of shield and are the best counters

>>167592084
>Which I took to mean 'the sorcery that drove Manus' humanity wild.'
Then I miscommunicated, and I take the blame for that. What I'd actually meant was that Manus, dark sorcerer extraordinare, probably created the Abyss by way of sorcery extremely similar to his signature spell Pursuers, much like how the Witch of Izalith likely created the Chaos Flame using her fire sorcery or how the oracles that created the Profaned Flame were also sorcerers. It's a recurring theme with two other examples that have numerous common traits between them, and Manus fits the bill.

However, I don't recall any point where Oolacile was said to have experimented on Manus, performed sorcery on him, or did anything of the sort. Unearthed his corpse, yes. Performed experiments, when? Manus is described as becoming the Father of the Abyss after he was resurrected and his humanity went wild. Maybe the act of resurrecting him is what caused his humanity to go out of control. Maybe he just didn't like being resurrected. Regardless, I'm not aware of anything happening between those two points.

Crystal sorcery does not use humanity in any measure. It's possible crystal sorcery can have some form of fallout similar to the Abyss or Chaos, but if it does then we've already seen the entirety of it: crystals everywhere, crystallization of people and objects, and people turning into crazy naked crystal dragons.

Side notes: the winged knights also count as hollows, as does the Pus of Man. As for the angelic faith, don't forget it was also considered heresy. For what reason in particular is unknown, but heresy includes things like not worshipping the accepted gods, and in Dark Souls lore specifically includes hexers and pyromancers.

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>>167593074
>play when the Belkans are up
>Soul Stream everywhere
BELLLLLLKAAAAAA

>>167592947
2-handing makes it not bounce
I'm not sure how twin weapons work in that regard, its been a while since i've seen a turtle.
You could always use the CCS or a Barbed SS with rouge

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>>167593074
Burger time is also a time of constant passworded coopers.
EU time is full of single hosts or with random rabble that can't take a single vestiges in the face and survive.

>>167592456
The fight with Iudex Gundyr takes place in an Age of Dark, at a point in time where Ludleth and the other Lords have already linked the first flame and had thrones created for them.

>>167593074

russians are definitely the exception to this

>>167593063
>>167593128
>>167593179
Time to get a dark infused SS and a cancer CCS

>>167593174
>Play when the emmerians are up
>Angel-themed builds everywhere

>>167593326
This.

Why are Russians so goddamn terrible? It's not just pvp, it's in general. I summoned a sunbro to fight wolnir, because why not give the guy an ember, it's not like it makes the fight go any slower.

The guy just ran up and tried to fuck Wolnir's face.

>>167593326
>playing against russians
>it's a lag fest
>they're acting like they beat you with their epic skillz
>they win because they teleport and slide everywhere

>>167593454
Because majority of russian players you see in games like this are 12-years old retards.
12-years old retards are universally bad no matter the country.

>>167593454

russians are just european americans except more shameful

Talking about Russians, anyone also meet the ones using USSR as a clan tag and ganking? I've met like 5 or so of these faggots

>>167593520
No, I wouldn't say that.

Russians are the BRs of europe.

>>167593612
I'm russian and i'm ganking regularly but i've never heard about this.

Why flame in das3 dying out?
Can souls that feed the flame really just disappear from the world? Do we have examples of this in the lore?

Is there a post number roll chart for DS2?
Its the only one I haven't seen and I'm planning a playthrough soon.

>>167593225
>>167593074
ching chong hours are password times, cable pulls, and point down gestures

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>go through the trouble of keeping cuculus alive through the old demon king fight
>all for a poisoned whip that can't be infused or buffed

The fuck is this shit?

>>167594023
The flame has been prolonged through sacrifice and etc.

>>167594061
>ching chong hours
just black crystal out if you see moonrunes in player list

>>167594150
Think I'll start doing that. It's never fun and their connections are awful.

>>167593140
My understanding of the situation was that Oolacile dug up Primeval Man, took his pendant for study, experimented on his body and this resulted in his revival and transformation into Manus. "Performing experiments" might not be an accurate way of putting it: rather, whatever they did to his body to resurrect him is what I thought drove his humanity wild (plus, rage due to them taking his pendant), and presumably whatever they did to him involved their golden sorceries (assuming that they had done no research into the Dark before Manus' revival and therefore had no dark sorceries). The lowest levels of Oolacile are very dungeon like too, and the Chained Prisoner seems to indicate that Oolacile did do some fucked up stuff to people.

Of course, I might be getting confused between stuff that's actually stated in game and stuff that is generally accepted by the community. It's been so long since I've played the first game I do sometimes get confused between stuff which is actually stated in game and the lore compromises and explanations that have generally been agreed upon after, what, 6 years of discussion now?


I wasn't actually saying that crystal sorcery uses humanity. I was just saying that, given that it can reach a state where it mirrors Dark, *if* Oceiros had been experimenting on people then the similarities or complexity of crystal sorcery might have been enough to agitate humanity to a point of wildness.

Crystal stuff is interesting, actually. It seems like a 'wild' or 'advanced' element like Chaos or Abyss, and can infect souls, but doesn't seem to be connected to anything else. Could it be the wild equivelant of Light?

>>167594120
Yes, through sacrfice of people with powerful enough souls
Why doesn't it work anymore?

>>167594091
The only reason to ever bring in Cuculus is if you want the fashion.

>>167594023
The more the flame was fed, the more she went weak with the cycles. Between Dark Souls 1 (where the flame was at it's highest point) and Dark Souls 3, century, millenium perhaps passed, and with each cycle the fire is less fierce

>>167594023
When you burn something you usually can't burn it again unless you are really desperate. That's the point the world is at in DS3, they are taking "Lords of Cinder" to try and get enough souls into the fire to keep it going. The one who was supposed to get all the Lords together and burn was Lothric, but he decided to fuck off. At that point the bell of awakening starts ringing and summoning failed Chosen Undead in an attempt to get Lothric to do his damn job and burn. However since the world is wasting away while the Champion of Ash is fucking around looking for ears and grass that in order to keep the age of fire going they'll need to throw their soul into the mix as well.

>>167594221
If you pick a certain ending it does I think?

It's just the true ending is supposedly stealing the fire for yourself and letting a new age begin since the series is ending. It's been a repeated cycle for a long ass time. There's also that NPC who paints a new world after she sees fire.

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>>167593101
whoever you are, i will fuck you

>>167594023
because flame itself gradually becomes hollow
by the end of ds3 it casts a hollow shadow into the sky instead of the sun and i'm pretty sure it becomes way too weak to sustain its normal functions even if you feed ashen one to it

>>167593101
Why? He's such a sweetheart

>>167594237
it would be easier to just get the pyros you want and smash cornyx' face in

Q U I C K

Create a weapon, catalyst, or shield with a fully-fleshed-out left-handed moveset

GO

>>167594273
Why would it become weaker? Isn't it retarded? Gwyn fucking gave his soul to the everyone who asked before linking flame, and still restarted it for the thousand+ years

>>167594481
Try to keep a fire going forever anon, we will se if it's retarded.

>>167593101
Everyone else gets parting black flame instead

>>167593279
That isnt the age of darkness ffs, no one has seen the "true" age of darkness. it is close, but it never happens. If it had, we would never have the events of DS3. There is no canon age of darkness, before DS3

>>167594407
introducing: the stick
appearance: it's a brown stick, 20 cm long
description: it's a stick. break it and you get two stick. burn it and perhaps something happens... (note from author: can't actually break or burn stick, that would be silly)
l2 is a parry, l1 performs the right hand weapon's wa

>>167594332
Yeah, but flame literally vomit souls from itself, and because hollow didn't destroy world after all this cycles means that linking flame actually helps and gives all hollow a soul that let them finally die

>>167594601
If flame itself produces materials that help keep it burning? Sure why not

>>167594481
We aint Gwyn man we're some rando from the sticks. Every time the undead put a soul in to burn it grows more and more desperate since the souls burned aren't available for use again unless they are brought as Lords of Cinder in which they need to come willingly to die in excruciating pain or be killed, and people strong enough to kill a LoC aren't commonplace.

>>167594026
please respond

>>167594807
Where do I get a second pyromancy flame (not parting flame)?

>>167594481
Gwyn had a brand-new and extremely powerful soul.
Ashen One is forced to feed on common souls and remnants of previous champions which ain't the same quality. Even CU had souls of higher quality inside him.

>>167585874
of people

some of which hold swords

>>167594891
NG+ OR from Cornyx if you started as a Pyromancer

>>167594987
Started as pyromancer and got one to begin with but he won't sell me a second one.

>>167594798
Execpt that's not how the flame in Dark souls works, it doesnt produce the materials to burn itself, it had an limited lifespan but because Gwyn was afraid of the Dark, he started this whole shitshow by fueling it with his souls and makingthe Undead prophecies.
Had he let the dark came, the fire would have come again, as the End Of Fire ending shows that after the dark, tiny flame will appear

>>167594891
Wrong guy but if you start as pyromancer I think you can get another from Corny. Not sure why you would want two though.

>>167595130
The flame weights nothing, and if you have one for each hand, you can throw pyromancies around corners.

>>167594630

It's the only defensive spell available. Got to do something against all the HA floating around.

>>167595045
This guy gets it

>>167594481
Its not the fucking hard m8

the age of fire was prolonged unaturally, the flame wasnt suppossed to last this long, and with each linking, the flame has gotten weaker and weaker - even if it gets renewed. The first flame will die out naturally at some point.

>>167595216
>and if you have one for each hand, you can throw pyromancies around corners.
What? Why do you have to have one in each hand to do that?

>>167595045
But flame gave every hollow creature a soul, and again because hollows didn't destroyed world we can assume that after each relibk ing flame gave hollows a souls that allowed them to die and stop shitting civilization
>>167594924
Gwyn go full Jew mode and didn't even used his lord soul for it
http://darksouls.wiki.fextralife.com/Soul+of+Gwyn,+Lord+of+Cinder
And if souls you used to relibk the flame disappeared forever, civilization would die out after 3-4 cycles. Even during das many kingdoms fell

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>farron flashsword used with crystal chime cannot be parried
Nice.

>>167594210
I can say that Oolacile taking his pendant isn't necessarily stated (though the other half being found in Oolacile's ruins suggests as much). Beyond that... eh. The question is if Manus being revived was intentional or accidental.

There's also the question of golden sorceries being all that far removed from dark. Vinheim's magic hadn't been invented by then, going by Dusk's descriptions and DS3's sorcerers being crazy for the stuff, so it'd have to be a different class of sorcery altogether. Dark Souls 2, if you don't mind considering at least a few parts of it canon, talks about how the dark sometimes has flashes of brilliance amidst the tranquil yadda yadda, and the Darklurker (an angelic being of dark origin) uses at least two such brilliant dark spells. If: the angelic faith is somehow related to the abyss, and angelic miracles are based in humanity despite looking light, Oolacile's golden sorceries being "light" spells also based on humanity isn't too far fetched, especially when at least one Oolacile sorcerer was able to create dark spells. Normally, dark spells only talk about all the negative traits of humanity, but what if that's only because dark spells focus on the negative traits? Oolacile was a peaceful kingdom of humans, maybe their take on humanity was different.

Which is all raw speculation, of course. I wasn't getting mad at you for speculating, but for calling out another person's speculation and then giving your own.

>Crystal Light
Eh. In a series where dark is a tangible substance, lightning is sunlight, and fire equals life? I'd assume that if it were light it would at least diametrically oppose darkness, but the bit about some sorcery spells being awfully close to dark along with my little rant up there call that point into question as well.

Who even knows.

>>167594652
There is literally an age of dark in dark souls 3, dude. You physically go there.

>>167595045
>Age of dark epic meme
Stop it, there no such thing
Watch first das intro, fire and dark aren't opposed each other, both light and dark exist because of flame. And age is called age of fire not fucking age of light
Without flame world would reverse to the hollow fog self, but worms created abyss that will fuck everything without fire

>>167595787
Oi I'm just working with what the game gave us, how do you explain untended grave and the End of fire ending? I'd say it's quite an Age of Dark, none of the shit Kaathe is saying, just a world without flame, though, this "age of dark" might evolve into a foggy world

>>167595042
Tried talking to him?

>>167595607
>though the other half being found in Oolacile's ruins suggests as much
I thought Chester had the other half?

>>167595739
But it isnt the fucking true age of darkness/has reached its final state you retard. If it had, there would have been no ringing of the bells, no bringing back the lords of cinder to link the flame, no fucking dark souls 3. The age of darkness - in its final state, only happens if you choose to not link the flame

Its the whole point of ds2, even if you fail to link the flame/choose not to, another stronger undead will rise instead of you and link the flame. There is no "chosen undead", its a grand meme created by the serpents. Another person linked the flame instead of Gundyr.

That isnt the age of darkness, as spoken of OR seen in the ending of ds 1 and ds 3

>>167595985
Fire keeper is Kaathe in disguise, this is why she doesn't have soul and leads you to the this ending
This all makes sense now!

>>167594407
>side dagger
>a dagger made in ancient carim, land of duplicitous aristocrats
>it is said that they fought using specialized parrying daggers instead of shields, but this dagger was meant for assassination. by striking from the left with a guard-piercing blow, the poisoned dagger could catch a noble unaware and make short work of rivals.

The weapon art ignores shields outright and causes 200 poison buildup all at once, and can be used with L2 while equipped in the left hand. The L1 moveset is the same as that FP-stealing dagger no one uses because it's shit.

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>>167595607
Well, Manus went mad over his lost pendant, I mean. I Just assumed Oolacile would have been the ones who took and lost it, but the specifics aren't too important. Again, my bad, it's been a while since I played DaS1 and I've forgotten what's explicitly stated in item descriptions.

Oolacile's golden sorceries actually being derived from Dark and therefore making Angelic sorceries a Dark derivative too is a really interesting idea. I'm sceptical that Oolacile was a human kingdom though, or at least its rulership was probably divine, given its proximity to Anor Londo and Elizabeth sounding kind of dimissive of you due to your human smell.

And yeah I thought my theory about the Pus of Man in Lothric was pretty solid, and I still think it's built on a pretty solid foundation, but you're right in that there are holes in it I hadn't really noticed before. I'll present it with more tact in future.


I'm not convinced of the idea that Crystal is Light out of control, I just threw it out there because we haven't seen Light's wild form yet, and because it seems to be sorcery/soul based and most souls in the series seem to be Light aligned. I guess Crystal is just soul stuff itself, without being aligned to any particular element, in its most dense state.

>>167596114
I don't know? If he did, he never said so. I guess that'd be the assumption, assuming Manus was at all accurate with his time grabs.

>>167596295
We haven't seen wild light yet, you're right. I hadn't noticed that.

This has been fun. Hopefully the final DLC answers a few of these questions.

>>167596295
>therefore making Angelic sorceries a Dark derivative too is a really interesting idea
I mean, *therefore making Angelic, golden coloured sorceries a Dark derivative *a possibility*

Given that we have dark sorcery and fire (life) sorcery though, there might be sorcery for every element, and given how explicitly Oolacile sorceries manipulate light they might be the sorcery school for, well, Light.

>>167596126
Anon. Dude.

Talk to the Firekeeper after you give her eyes. She says the Age of Dark isn't permanent, and that embers of the next flame will appear again starting from the outskirts.

>>167596732
leak-kun was right all along.
OH BOI

>>167596623
But presumably the First Flame wouldn't relight for a fucking long time: long enough that civilisation would collapse or undergo a catastrophic reform. I'm fairly certain that someone, anyone, in the game would comment on the fact that there had actually been an Age of Dark in the past. As is, no one mentions it, and lands like Lothric and Vinheim are still apparently going strong.

>>167594407
But artorias greatsword existed in both ds1 and 2.
>they removed special left handed moveset from ds3
I'm so fucking mad

>>167596623
She says that one day, a NEW flame will appear.
But this is the very same flame, that Gwyn linked, that we linked, that all lords of cinder linked.
This flame has NEVER gone out fully, untill we choose to, in dark souls 3. It is why it does not rekindle as strongly as by the first game. We have been in ages of dark, where the flame is has ALMOST died out, but never entirely. Its what Aldia talks about in ds 2. The TRUE age of darkness happens by ds3, when we put out the flame for good.

theres been many "ages of dark" but even there, the flame never truly faded. We extinguish it FULLY but the end of ds3.

>>167596732
>he's a fat dude with a bladed weapon, it's practically the same thing!

>>167596732
>wings replaced by
Nope, the left knight has no wings at all. Those branches are in the background.

>>167596878
You make a good point. Even though people from the past are literally resurrecting with all their memories intact, multiple entire civilizations shouldn't have persisted off that alone. Unless everyone on the planet was resurrecting constantly.

>>167597059
>a new flame will appear
>lol its actually the same flame

>>>/out/ with you. Lord of Hollows is not the Age of Dark ending. You don't just let the flame die, you take it and preserve it specifically so it can't reappear elsewhere, creating an unnatural and eternal Age of Dark. A natural Age of Dark, like the Firekeeper describes and like what happens in the actual Age of Dark ending, is not permanent and will eventually result in a new first flame.

>>167594407
>Crystal Lizard Parma
A shield wrapped in crystal lizard hide, adorned with a large enchanted jewel.
Extremely brittle, this shield serves better as a garish distraction than an actual means of defence.
There are some who insist that the shield brings great fortune to its bearers despite this, however.

Passives:
+100% item discovery
Increased enemy detection range

Weapon Art: Glimmer - releases an illusory crystal lizard to distract enemies. Lasts for 30 seconds, or until the weapon art is used again.

QUICK:

Remove bonfires and add interconnections that MAKE SENSE. read: NO ARBITRARY FUCKING WARPING

>>167595130
Dunno if you were the guy I quoted by accident. I want a second one because I usually have the flame/sword in the right hand and a shield on the left (pve). With carthus flame arc, that's an issue.

>>167596009
Yup. Nothing

>>167597567
Would require redesigning the entire game, but okay.

>game has multiple firekeepers, one for each major area
>all bonfires in each area are linked to the firekeeper for that area, ex firekeeper in anor londo will let you warp between all bonfires in anor londo, but only while she's still alive
>optional, minor areas without a firekeeper only have one bonfire that can't be warped to or from
>optional areas with a firekeeper but only one bonfire (ash lake?) do not allow warping

Idea is to encourage exploration within an area, but to keep the sense of travel from one area to another.

>>167597843
>multiple firekeepers

not that anon, but stopped reading right there

>>167597423
I think we are misunderstanding each other.

Im saying the same thing as you

> is not permanent and will eventually result in a new first flame.

that is what I said here
>>167597059
>She says that one day, a NEW flame will appear


I

>>167594891
Disregard the anons who replied to you. You cannot normally get a second pyromancy flame. You only get the one, ever, even in NG+. Either the one you started with, or the one you got from Corynx.

>>167597928
>I never played ds1: the post

>>167597986
I played DaS1. Firekeepers are fucking stupid, because we should be allowed to just level up at the FUCKING bonfire.

I don't want a or need a fucking level-up waifu.

>>167597943
>But this is the very same flame, that Gwyn linked, that we linked, that all lords of cinder linked
?

I'm more trying to figure out how you can say it's a brand new flame, but actually isn't.

>>167588884
when an NPC phantom with a unique drop dies by falling off a cliff you can just go rest at a bonfire and their item will appear back where their original spawn point was

>>167598073
At what point in DaS1 did firekeepers level you up?
At what point in my post did I say anything about firekeepers leveling you up?

>>167598164
Quit/Reload is usually faster, especially for Kriemhild
>>167588884
She drops jack fucking shit in the Graves, she drops her staff in the castle though

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>Load into arena
>Immediately greeted with guy running towards me and trying to go for an easy kill
>Combo him
>Spends the rest of the fight running away and throwing wood carvings because he couldn't use shitter tactics

>>167596732
I got this new theory right? Smough is a winged knight. You see they both wear bulky armor, use two hands for a weapon, and have a goldish tint to them. Someone call Vaati

Rate my super original build

https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/143415

>>167598265
I love these guys. Just slow walk towards them until they lose their patience and throw themselves on your sword. It's not like there's a timer or anything.

>>167597741
>Dunno if you were the guy I quoted by accident. I want a second one because I usually have the flame/sword in the right hand and a shield on the left (pve). With carthus flame arc, that's an issue.
Just use a flame in your left, cast flame arc, then switch to shield. I'm not sure what the problem is.

>>167598094
Im not?

Some anon said there already has been a canon "age of darkness" - the one where we meet Gundyr in the past. But this isnt possible, as it would require the first flame to burn out ENTIRELY.
The first flame is just exstremely weak at that point, which is why we are on the BRINK to an age of darkness - but never truly reach it,because the first flame is still active.

I never fucking said that its a new flame.

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>fighting 2v1
>kill the host's phantom
>host immediately alt+f4's

>>167598601
I think you're only assuming the flame didn't burn out entirely, because it sure as fuck looks like it did. Why couldn't the first flame have gone out, and then another flame started up again? Any particular reason why you say it can't?

>>167596732
It's not about lore, it's about developers laziness

>>167597567
swamp tower (the one with the old wolf) -> undead settlement

>>167598372
do it with warrior instead

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excuse me but what the hell is this?


>inb4 le time is convulted

>>167598372

Beautiful.

>>167584270
the first dlc was hot fucking garbage

>>167599061
Dark Souls 2 is canon, anon. Only idiots say it wasn't,

>what is shield of want
>what is drang set and weapons

>>167599142
I still haven't bought it yet, what would you think is an appropriate price to pay?

>>167598372
why +1 int/fth

>>167599061
Its wallpaper mate, its a big house painting it would take forever.

>>167599041
Same result
>10 Att for flame arc

>>167599280
Look at his spells

>>167598790
BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE ENTIRE FUCKING SECOND GAME IS ABOUT, LORE WISE

Had this NOT been the same first flame, we would not NEED a fucking world reset, for things to get fixed. There would be NO DS3.

If you dont understand the fact that this is the first flame that Gwyn linked, you need to read up on some lore.

It is the same flame. Each time it gets rekindled, it gets weaker and cannot burn as strong. Sometimes the flame will reach a state, where the flame has ALMOST gone out - this is where shit gets the MOST fucked up - as in the past where we fight Gundyr. But it never truly goes out, because someone has always managed to rekindle it. This is the fucking point of DS 2

>>167599270
Buy the season pass and hope the second one is worth it.

>>167599195

It's not canon. They're just petty homages Miyazaki tossed in their as scraps for 2fags so they don't commit sudoku.

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Anyone who has the Espada Ropera and Royal Dirk on SOTFS PC? My SL is 415527

>>167599321
flame arc is fucking trash and there's no reason to use it over resin/bundle

>>167599061
>>167599195

Profaned Flame = Chaos Flame
Irithyll = Eleum Loyce
Londor = Drangleic

>but m-muh fanfic

Yuria and all the other Londor NPCs use gear from Drangleic

>>167598790
Because if it was a new flame it wouldn't be so pathetically weak at the end of the game, nor would it contain the Soul of the Lords.

>>167599356
Well then I just wait til the second one comes out right?

>>167599321
>>167599280
yeah with stats that low flame arc literally adds less damage than charcoal resin

the only buff that is actually worth casting at the minimum stat requirements is blessed weapon because its the only one with a non-scaling damage bonus

>>167599142
but muh friede bossfight

>invaders only get 0.5X estus
Why is this allowed?

>>167599484
>Irithyll = Eleum Loyce

Not the same guy, but how is this confirmed?

>>167599676
because otherwise you might have the chance to ruin some redditards fun

>>167599564
Min stat Flame arc adds +9 damage +50% duration over fire resin, if I recall. -1 damage but still +50% duration over lightning or human resin though

>>167599328
You're saying the continued existence of Gwyn's soul is evidence for this still being the same Age of Fire.

If you'd just said that directly, I wouldn't have thought you were gargling semen this whole time.

>>167599328
Not to mention that the whole End of Fire ending of III would lose a lot of its gravity
"Alright, we're definitely letting the First Flame burn out this time, we have no idea what's going to happen but even the end of existence itself is better than this garbage fire that the world has become" loses a lot of its weight if the First Flame has died about a hundred times offscreen too.

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>>167592619
>40 points in VIG is ridicolous
are you crying over HP?
the souls community never fails to impress me.

>>167599328
Yeah that's clear enough, but as the flame almost fade and someone lit it it means that at some point the so called Dark lord of Kaathe interacted with the schmuck who kindle the flame or had to kill him. Or maybe the next DLC will cover that aspect of that, being that we're going to the city of the hollows?

>>167599682
It's not. Unless you believe someone destroyer Anor Londo, turned the surrounding geography of it into a vast ice plain and built an entirely separate city in its place, then turned the geography back into mountainous terrain, destroyed Eleum Loyce, and then rebuilt Anor Londo again.

>>167599789
So its my fault that you are too fucking autistic to understand the fucking basics of soul lore

also>>167599545
isnt me

>>167599484
>Profaned Flame = Chaos Flame

Soul of a Demon
>Demons were born of the Chaos Flame, but the flame has not survived, and the demons are a dying race.

>Irithyll = Eleum Loyce
>despite the only similarity being snow
>despite the fact that anor londo survived from dark souls 1 but wasn't anywhere in or around eleum loyce in dark souls 2

>Londor = Drangleic
>despite the drang knights being from a different land entirely
>none of the londor npcs use gear that mentions drangleic, at all resembles anything from drangleic, and even use the dark hand that literally wasn't even in drangleic

You can take your retarded fanfic and go.

>>167599930
It's easier to go by the notion that DaS 2 happened in another country. Whatever people say. It makes a bit more sense than the old being buried or destroyed and later rebuild again in almost the same fashion for whatever reason.

>>167599556
Sure, but you'd better hope you don't need the painting in AoA for anything after you find the dark soul in TRC.

>>167599838
Hopefully it will

Tbh im more concerned with Aldia. I think its fucking wierd we haven't seen a guy, whos essence of life is directly tied to the first flame.

>>167600246
I think Drangleic is (in) Lordran, just not the exact same location as stuff like Anor Londo, Izalith, etc. Like, a few miles west of the stage of Dark Souls 1 or some shit.

>>167599195
DS2 takes place after DS3.

All the original locales from 1 are gone or unrecognizable in 2. But they are recognizable in 3.

Also the whole thrones culture built up in 3, and it carries the transition from flame to throne. In 2 its just all about the thrones really.

>>167599676
because you don't need 15 +10 estus to kill some some new player at high wall with 3 +0 estus

>>167599195
it's canon
it's just irrelevant and by the most part mocked by ds3

>>167600112
>I am unable to clearly communicate my thoughts, but it's your fault for not being able to read my mind

Poor communication skills are an actual disability, you know. You could get compensation for that.

>>167600381
What if you're invading end-game, and the host has 15 +10 estus, and his 3 phantoms have 7 +10?

>>167599828
If you never get hit you don't take any damage, so HP is a dead stat get gud scrub, level 1 is best level.

How can I make way of white corona not as shit?

>>167600246
Yep. I'm entirely okay with the story of DS2, people just have to come to terms with the fact that much of its story was built on the bones of "is this a direct sequel or just a side story, we're not quite sure so we'll be ambiguous about it all".

>>167600327
I like the idea that it takes place more or less around the region where the Undead Asylum was supposed to be located. If the Lost Bastille was in a more mountainous region that would be a good match, but it's off the coast so Straid's vague implications about it don't ring very true.

>>167600336
>DS2 takes place after DS3
>when there are multiple items in the game that come from DS2, directly reference it, and claim it happened in the past
Are you actually retarded?

>>167600150
>Darkdrift
>Manikin Claws

>>167600517
FROM will need to patch it I think.

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>>167600492
>If you never get hit you don't take any damage, so HP is a dead stat get gud scrub, level 1 is best level.
you sound autistic. stop please.

>>167600517
40 or 60 faith, firstborn and morne's ring, sage ring, rose of ariandel to whip yourself, cast with saint's talisman (boosts physical miracles).

Damage is pretty okay if you put literally everything into using it.

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Friede's Great Scythe only uses the intelligence stat for the l2r1/r2s right? So how well does it perform as a pure dex weapon assuming you meet all the requirements?

Also, is it possible to play through as a mage/cleric/pyro using no offensive magic and instead some melee weapon that scales off od the magic stats?

>>167599484
Eleum Loyce always remind me of Anor Londo

>>167600578
>a legendary weapon appropriated by a powerful figure
>an item from the past that still carries its original fucking name

And yet, those still don't contradict the Shield of Want, Drang set, Drang Hammer/Spear, etc. I'd say "grasping at straws" but that'd imply your flailing had a coherent goal in the first place.

>>167600460
why would you, this game's pvp is only enjoyable when healing isn't such a bitch

>>167600565
Don't be an idiot, in Dark Souls everything happens in some vague unspecified past 1000+ years ago. Plus the time is all wonky so you get random shit from other times. In DS1 you can even meet Artorius and kill him.

>>167599484
irithyll is literally anor londo you braindead fucktard
it's literally the same city, remodelled by Pontiff and enchanted so its weather resembles him his birth place

>>167600586
Woosh.

That's the sound of something flying over your head.

Autistic people usually have trouble with sarcasm, you should get a blood test to make sure you don't have it.

>>167600759
>Friede's Great Scythe only uses the intelligence stat for the l2r1/r2s right?
Yes.

>So how well does it perform as a pure dex weapon assuming you meet all the requirements?
Poorly.

>Also, is it possible to play through as a mage/cleric/pyro using no offensive magic and instead some melee weapon that scales off od the magic stats?
Technically, yes. Crystal infusion is available awfully early in the game.

>>167600814
You literally just said Dark Souls 2 happens in Dark Souls 3's past.

In Dark Souls 1, Artorias is clearly stated as being ancient history in the vanilla game, and in the DLC Chester literally says you both were yanked back into the past.

>>167591985
27 is a soft cap. Do you even know what the term means? There are multiple soft caps. That's the entire point of diminishing returns.

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>>167600921
>sarcasm
>from typing

>>167591985
>Please tell me you don't actually think 27 is the "softcap".
it is. faggot.

>>167600929
>You literally just said Dark Souls 2 happens in Dark Souls 3's past.
No, I said everything is in the past. "Ooh, this fork was used by an ancient gourmand long ago, but he's dead now... or is he?" -t. Average item description

These items could be in the past respective to both 2 and 3
>In Dark Souls 1, Artorias is clearly stated as being ancient history in the vanilla game, and in the DLC Chester literally says you both were yanked back into the past.
Yup, and other people from other times stop by to say hi in Firelink too. They probably brought their junk with them.

OTOH, if 2 is before 3, then between 1 and 3, these cities were destroyed, rebuilt and renamed, then destroyed and rebuilt and renamed AGAIN, but more faithful to the original the second rebuilding than the first; since some of the buildings are the same in 3 (just older) as in 1; but completely gone in 2.

>>167592945
39vig at SL80 is impossible on any caster build

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>>167592945
>excuse me, any good sl80 build has at least 39 vig

If the gundyr fight was in an actual age of dark you wouldn't be able to see anything even with your brightness on max

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why do people say that DaS2 is not canon?

Everything in DaS3 is built upon the concepts that DaS2 introduced (the interminable cycles of relinking the fire, lords and their thrones, if you don't link the fire someone else will etc...)