Roguelike General - /rlg/

>faulting this badly

for shame, /rlg/

ded fucken general

Would post screencaps but actually have to get shit done today

>>167520330
>>167520667

AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>167521127
Ignore my thread. I made it because I didn't see this one until I refreshed the log.

>both threads are page 10
It was nice to know you, /rlg/.

Utgard-Loke's a cunt. Also, throwing rocks in general.

without tummy shitposting there is nothing to keep the thread alive

>>167523307
Shut the fuck up.

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Since /rlg/ is so dead, might as well post me tabbing through popcorn

>>167523745
Shut the FUCK up

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>>167523541
>>167523852
why do you do this to our beautiful thread, anon

>>167524084
Liberals are trying to shut down /rlg/ because they heard PCB uses Trump magic.

What does an "excellent feeling" actually mean? I expect it relates to the vault I found, but it was quylthulgs in the glass castle so I fucked off and didn't have a chance to loot.

>>167524320
Like someone said last thread, pcb needs Tome2 theumaturgy so you can build the wall.

>>167524808
there is already a BUILDWAL spell
not in Trump though, it's in Nature

buildwal would be pretty OP in the trump spellbooks actually since you also get dimension door

>>167524773
the level feelings just measure the amount of dangerous shit and/or loot on the floor. there's like 9 messages and each one means more danger + better loot than the last

"special feeling" is special and means there's an artifact around

give me some ideas of things to pretend to be upset about so I can get the crawldevs to change them

I'm thinking either:
>Gozag is a gross parody of judiasm as evidenced by some esoteric bullshit I'll look into later involving potions or blood libel or whatever
>The 'good' gods are all offensive christian stereotypes (God wants you to kill things/Has silly laws). There should be no 'good' or 'evil' in the game.
>game unfairly discriminates against players who want to roleplay their troll as a vegetarian
>fucking elves REEEEEEEEEE

>>167526187
food
remove it

>>167526187
be japanese and be offended by their misuse of the name "tengu" for a thing that obviously is nothing like the nip folklore demon

>>167526187
Zin triggers me. As someone who faced persecution for being a trans Christian, I can't stand seeing an aspect of a "good" God be so hateful of someone changing themselves.

No mutations allowed? Even if I'm becoming my true self? No thank you, Zin.

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being a persecuted christian in the US is just a religious right meme

nobody else cares unless it's in a non-christian-majority nation like somewhere in the middle east

>>167527656
How do you get the PCB font looking so nice? the regular linux font just looks like ass.

>>167527802
not my screen
personally I use Consolas which is a proprietary MS font
i've heard anons suggest Ubunto Mono

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friendly reminder to slay serpents instead of orb guardians

I honestly don't think there's an enemy in DCSS that scares the fuck out of me more than orbs of fire.

>>167531334
Hunger cobs were pretty awesome.
Also suppression moths.

>>167531334
Orbs of fire are legit nothing compared to ancient liches, I've never been as threatened by OoFs but I've been nearly destroyed by ancient liches multiple times because they can summon tormenters and hellfire mobs AND also do a shit ton of damage on top of that.

>>167533028
But for some reason OOF seem to have an uncanny ability to splat me when ancient liches don't.

How do you uninstall a PCB version in linux? looks like the new one is 5.05 and I have 5.03.

>>167531334
moths of suppression in a zig

Why does corrosion, torment and hellfire exist? How is reducing all the efforts of the player to build up good defenses worthless a good design decision?

>>167533405
Because you can easily defend against that.

>>167533405
Torment and hellfire are only really a thing in post 3-rune games, and any character beyond that point is pretty much impervious to normal damage so you basically have to have attacks that ignore that defence.

Extended is already 90% shit mobs 10% managing torment/hellfire, removing them would make it more of a cakewalk than it is already is.

>>167533676
>muh line of sight
if you were supposed to killhole, lure, or stairdance, they wouldn't go so far out of their way to discourage those maneuvers.

>>167533849
Um, what? Lichform + Yara = immune to torment and can undo corrosion easily. If you take Gozag and use AoE spells you stop caring about hellfire too.

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It's already 2 days and I still have this shitty amphetamine withdrawal.
The worst thing about it is that my DEX will always be set to 0 so I can't hit shit.
And I can't craft anything with -400 morale.

>>167534270
o rly?

>>167533849
If you have TSO/Makhleb you don't even need to do that, just kill them fast and kill enough popcorn to regen your hp back or use your numerous stockpiled escape consumables.

Or just roll over everything with chei-statue form.

>>167534345
What, do amphetamine withdrawals give you 48+ hour seizures?
>>167534443
Aren't TSO/Makhleb for people that are bad at crawl tho?

>>167534345
based retard
just drop a thread under your opponent's foot and light it up

>>167534270
Who's Yara??

>>167534370
Done it: http://www.underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue/casual/casual.txt

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>>167534527
>Aren't TSO/Makhleb for people that are bad at crawl tho?
Not really, they're just very,very good gods. Just look at the top speedruns(ignore the 1st bugged score) 2 Mahkleb, 1 Chei, 1 Vehumet characters.

>>167534737
i dont know but id love to have her violently unravel me some time <3

>>167534770
Whoops, wrong dump, sorry. Meant this one: http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/casual/casual.txt

>>167534810
No, I mean it in the sense of "they are a crutch that you can go without by playing better."

>>167534884
That's a lot of unrandarts. And a lot of +10 randarts too.

>>167534958
You might as well just play godless/Xom for all your games then,since all gods offer some type of advantage in one way or another that allow you to do things that you would not be able to with a godless char.

>>167535062
You kinda tend to accumulate decent gear if you clear some zigs.

>>167535064
Most other gods aren't all but designed for postgame though.

>>167534958
a crutch is a thing that helps bad players but harms good players (nobody with two working legs wants to carry that bullshit around), like auto skill training

the word you are looking for is "strong" or maybe "OP", not "crutch"

Oh well, I'll have to replace a ring. Just noticed that it got changed to *slow by an update.

Why the fuck does every single fucking car in CDDA have no wheels
Every
Single
One
Is that what the zombies and bandits went for first? Car wheels?

>>167535225
Makhleb/TSO can easily be worshipped all the way throughout the game, TSO's advantages just show better in extended and really the choosing/switching to him is not any different form choosing Trog, he just confers a massive advantage that increases your chance of winning the game, which is presumably what you're playing to do.

>>167535527
all the cars have at least 1 thing wrong, usually either wheels, engine, or electrical system
maybe the explanation is that the survivors fleeing before you already took all the working ones
but then why are the grocery stores full of food

>>167527802
Two ways:
1) Get Curses support (i.e. when you run ./configure and whatever other options, make sure you have Curses supported and figure out what goes wrong). Arch users will probably want to install ncurses5-compat-libs from the AUR, for instance. This is by far the easiest way, but **you don't get extra terminals**. If you know how to set your terminal's font, then you're done.

2) X11.

You'd want to install some form of xorg-xlsfonts for your system if it's not already there. If your system is smart, it should link your existing fonts to equivalent XLFD versions.

Then, run xlsfonts to see if it's populated with fonts. If it is, then run xlsfonts | grep "[name of font you want]". For instance:

* xlsfonts | grep "ubuntu mono"
* xlsfonts | grep "consolas"

And so on.

You can learn the font name elements here:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/X_Logical_Font_Description

But in a nutshell:
* Pick the fonts that end in "iso10646-1". You can just add another pipe to the above commands and do xlsfonts | grep "consolas" | grep "iso10646-1".

* Bold and medium correspond to bold and regular/unbolded text. If you want it to look like >>167527656's, use bold.

* "i" is for italicized, so use "r", for Roman.

* The first two numbers (usually 0s) that you see correspond to ways to set the font size. The first is by pixels: setting pixel size to 20 makes it 20 pixels high. The second is by tenths of a point size: setting point size to 150 makes it a 15 point font. **ALSO**, if it's not clear, you should just use one of these (probably the point size option). The other font option can be kept at 0, along with anything else in the line that's at 0.

So for instance:
-misc-inconsolata-bold-r-normal--0-180-0-0-m-0-iso10646-1
for Inconsolata 18pt.

After that, you'd want to set that ANGBAND_X11_FONT in your environment (or whenever you run PCB).

I find that Angband font rendering on X11 tends to look like ass no matter what, but bigger font sizes look better.

>>167535664
Why did they take all the duct tape, glass jars, and plastic bottles with them when they left?

>>167535893
WHY DIDN'T THEY TAKE THE SEX TOYS

>>167535883
aight, thanks anon. Will try and get it working.

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>>167534532
Yeah, I know about burning trick, but my food supply is low.
Can't wait at the same place forever.
For 1 less point, Shower Victim is much easier than Tweaker start.

>hungry
>need to find more food
>encounter feral hunter and zombies on the road
>shit keeps teleporting
>can't outrun them because depressant and depressed cut down my speed by half
>finally burn all of them
>still hungry
>encounter more zombies

Doesn't look good.

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Don't get out when there's moon outside, k.

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been spectating this guy, this is just pure mastery of the game.

Slime for the 1st rune as a level 12 spriggan..literal balls of steel.

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You know, I knew rF- would put me at a disadvantage at some point.

But I'm still mad about this.

>>167538242
But will he actually kill TRJ.

>>167537056
I feel bad for calling you a retard now because you didn't call me a retard back. Sorry. Have a (You).

>>167538506
idiot, what did you expect?

Alright, boys, how do you play the wizard start in crawl?

I want to play with Kiku and branch out to necromancy, but I dislike the elementalist starts and I've already played a ton of conjurer.

>>167540381
you hit things with mephitic cloud and then you stab them in their ass

>>167540503
Ok, was going to try NaWz, so their aptitudes should make it easier to get mephitic up and running.

>>167540649
>NaWz
That sounds like a pain, why don't you do DrWz?
They're pretty beefy AND they move at speed 10

>>167540758
Mostly because I prefer the naga midgame, bardings + AC bonus + constriction allow you to be semi-melee while still casting spells. The earlygame isn't too painful with ranged options anyway and I like draconians as transmuters mostly.

>>167540928
>DrTm
muh brotha
>need a bazillion fighting/UC/dodging/Transmutation
>literally only need those skills
rawr I'm a dragon

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You're a big P!

Just gonna leave this here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2uZyTm_w0M

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The most exciting time of day has finally come.

>>167549025
What a horrible night to have a *CURSE*.

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We did it, /rlg/! We defeated the Serpent! Now who wants to commit suicide first?

>>167550216
>monk

Has anyone tried an Alchemist on PosChengBandR and have tips on how to use them? There's almost no documentation outside of the brief class description - what the heck do Infusions do etc.

>>167539819

Tell me the last time you saw a FIRE DRAGON on D:10.

>>167551858
there are plenty of things that do fire damage by D:10
most of them are rare but even one of them will fuck up your day forever

>>167551456
infusions are DIY potions that you illegally pirate/copy but they have shitty DRM that prevents you from ever taking them out of your special infusion inventory except to drink or evaporate them

>>167550992
>mystic

I don't get any of that healing bullshit, and you better believe I'm not a fucking tonberry. It's all punch, all the time.

>>167552465
What's the point then? Just saving on your actual inventory slots so you can carry more shit?

>>167553710
the point is that you can craft more of them
also more inventory slots is always good

>>167551456
h*ck

>>167535883

Best font setup for Windows?

>>167555862
use Consolas

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So these are gonna be the new abilities in the next version of Demon. I think some could use better names.

Also, I'm not the dev.

>>167557056
>You see a deer.
>You feel Vile Alchemy...
>You Infernal Touch the deer's Numbing Spear with your Burning Hands!
>The deer's Numbing Spear Emits Void!
>The deer gains effect Wild Frenzy!
>The deer Dives at you!
>You Spoil Touch the deer!
>The deer Harasses you and uses Impaling Thrust!
>You gain effect Ever Ready!
>The deer uses Filthy Thrust! His Ionic Spear Rends you Asunder!
>Bright Blood pours out of your Lucky Star!
>You use Hunter Cry! Your Lucky Star is about to Icy Break!
>The deer uses Lethal Thrust and Ionic Pierces you! His Fire Lord emits Flash Shock!
>You Defile Touch the deer!
>The deer Volt Thrusts you! He's Overloaded! His Brain Shaker Bolt Sprays Furious Rage inside your Lucky Star, Sets you Alight and Disables your Mind!
>You gain effect Ghost Shock!
>Calming Rain pours into you!
>There is so much!
>You Meditate.
>You gain effect Guilt Veil.
>You fall asleep in deer's Cold Embrace...

can you use trunks as actual storage in CDDA?

>>167559994
Not that this isn't impressive for less than an hour of thought, but why a deer specifically?

>>167561943
All I know about Demon is that there's a deer you can link with.

>>167561274
Figured it out, I'm a dumbass. New problem. Why the fuck is my character suddenly fucking blind? I'm playing with classic zombies, so it couldn't have been some voodoo shit right?

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>>167562076
Linking with that deer produces a literally infinite number of hounds.

>>167538242

How exactly is he still alive? That blue jelly hits as hard as a truck and he only needs to take a single spit from any of those acid blobs to die

>>167562115
>so it couldn't have been some voodoo shit right?
In theory, no, but it's likely they missed something.

Could also be parasites, I think, if you're in the habit of shoving raw meat in your face.

>>167538242
First time I speculated a speedrunner, I was wondering why a level 14 spriggan was in Cerebov's realm.

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>>167545192

>D:8, no lair
>D:9, no lair
>D:10, no lair
>get shafted for 3 floors
>get shafted for 2 floors
>now I'm XL 11 on D:15
just fuck me

>>167551456
Infusions are just slotted potions.
> Cannot break
> Can be replicated
> Slightly quicker to use

>>167538242
which server is he playing on?

>>167538506
>FDA and Firestarter before Lair
you fucked up anon, you could have had a legendary game

>>167540928
You've got it backwards mate, NaTm is better than DrTm because:
>draconians lose scales and resistances in forms
>nagas have more HP
>dragons can't use breath in forms
>nagas can spit poison in forms
>nagas avoid the defining crux of their species, their slow move speed, when in form

Dr are built for casters with free AC and HP, and Nagas are built to change into something else with massive HP

>>167555596
****

>>167559994
whoa

>>167523852

Shut the f*ck u*

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>mfw thread died with 420 posts
>some faggot called me a newfag for saying that rlg is dying just few hours prior to that
yeah rlg has always been slow, but now it's just dead
good riddance actually, roguelikes are dead anyway
long live roguelites

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Going well so far.

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>>167569765
Go the fuck to sleep.

>>167571258
Y-you too.

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Reminder that the removals occurred just as often in the early days of Crawl, they were just more subtle. Agnes, for example, had a few feet of height and her humanity removed from her, but no one ever complained. Is it any wonder that the devs felt Wiglaf was similarly expendable?

>>167573646
Wiglaf removal is totally okay, new!Donald is much better and more memorable.
The ] and p removals though are just plain dumb.

>>167573871
NOT ALL ROGUELIKES

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>>167573871
I remember old Donald perfectly fine. And I liked Wiglaf better back when he was a warrior-priest of Okawaru and not a grumpy dwarf in a funny hat.

>>167573902
I think DCSS is a pretty cool guy. eh removes jihad and doesnt afraid of anything.

>>167573997
Wiglaf was too old, he died but passed his legacy on to Donald. New!Donald is now a priest of old!Okawaru with might, haste and a small chance of CPM.

>>167573646
Does original crawl with tiles (not stone soup) still exists somewhere on the internet or is it lost forever?

>>167574273
As far as I can tell, no. You can get a very very old version of DCSS off of Sourceforge though.

>>167574273
the rougebasin article links this site:
http://crawlj.osdn.jp/down_e.html
that's linley's crawl version 4.00b26, apparently

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>>167574273
It does.You need to dig really deep though: https://web.archive.org/web/20150817102616/http://crawlj.osdn.jp/crawl/dc_e070_051224_wt.zip

>>167538242

Why would anyone put a single point in such a useless stat let alone putting everything in it instead of Int since he's using a Spriggan? Really stimulates the neurons

>>167574889
>character based around stabbing
>stat makes stabbing better
HURR BETTER TRAIN INT TO GET MORE DMG ON MY FIRESTORM

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>>167573069
Just a little more and I'm basically set for J.

>>167575084

Last time I checked the only relevant uses of Dex for a spriggan is stabbing damage and EV. That SH """bonus""" from Dex on bucklers is non-existent. Their stealth is already always maxed with just a few stealth points even below 20 Dex. Why would you need more EV when both the spriggan aptitude for Dodging and EV bonus due to being small are already very high? Why would you need more stabbing damage anyway when it's already too high, is that an over the top preparation for postend hell/panlords or what? At any rate I really think more powerful spells/hexes do way better and have way higher utility in any part of the game than mere dodging and stab damage can ever achieve.

How to get robust in CDDA?

I tried uninstalling but it didn't help

>>167559994
Fucking saved.

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>>167575559
Damn it feels good.

>>167579369
>whats sampling bias

yeah lets count 4 misses that happen to be in a row, and not the hundreds upon hundreds of hits

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>>167579901

>>167579961
yeah lets count the 4 maces that happen to be in a row, and not the hundreds upon hundreds of....of... fuck, i can't come up with anything

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>>167580224

Anyone got a source for all the possible mutations in PCB?

>>167580959
best there is is the code list at https://github.com/poschengband/poschengband/blob/master/src/mut.c then searching the repository about muts you're interested in

>>167582798
repository?

Is Cataclysm good now

Does it have working Z-levels

>>167584032
basically the project on github

>>167584310
I'm playing it now, and z-levels seem to work rather well.

I don't know that this makes it *good*, though.

>>167588170
>tfw you will never get 1tum'd in irl

>>167526187
try to trick them into removing DCSS altogether

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>>167588170
ok senpai

Did DCSS's removal of everything seriously kill this general?

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>>167590837
Probably.

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roguelites
lack of any interesting idea that would bond the general like mumo did
no new good roguelikes or just updates

we can't just post tummies, people seem to finally have realised that pcb is garbage, shitting on crawl actually isn't funny anymore, each update is just sad and people played too much of actual good roguelikes to post about it because there's nothing novel about them

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>>167590837
>>167591754

>>167591876
people are still playing demon?

also, how is Nu-IVAN?

What is the caster equivalent to MinoFighter?

>>167594682
DE + any decent caster background. IE, FE, AE, new!VM, old!EE, whatever.

>>167575873
dexterity also increase the CHANCE to stab (at least for non-guaranteed stabs like confuse/dazzle/invis)

>>167580441
>when you accidentally walk over an overworld lava or deep water tile
i dont understand why it does this instead of just forcing the player out of overworld travel mode

>>167595079
>new! old!
plz explain

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What the fuck do I do? I've killed like 8 Porcupines and 20 Orcs and all my stats are still at 0.0.

I entered Lair:1 and Sonja was waiting me at the entrance. Drained me to 0.0 and I can't get my stats back.

"DCSS is fair"

>>167597318
newVM has some level 2 poison cloud spell doesn't it
old EE had stoneskin

>>167597889
if that sonja was a hydra instead you would have splatted like an idiot from holding tab at her instead of just getting drained to shit

>>167598051
Well the game is over anyways as I have 0.0 stats even if I use heroism.

After Sonia didn't die in a few hits I checked stats, saw 0.0, had to use wands to get her down.

>>167594682
If you want a Minotaur's breadth of skill, the mage equivalent is a Deep Elf. Highest spellcasting aptitude, no bad aptitudes for any magic schools.

Conjurer would be the biggest magical bruiser, although Conjurations aren't DE's best apt.

>>167591754
Hey wait a second

I think I've just noticed something strange in that picture

>>167603487
ok

>>167603487
The leg to the right seeming deformed, almost like a cartoon pony's leg?
Anyways you shouldn't reply to such colossal shitpost ever.

you guys made me think being a cheistatue was the end game to end all end games

you still get tormented and smited in tomb and hell like crazy. What am I missing here?

>>167605872
LoS management and stairdancing. You're not invincible. You're just much harder to kill unless you're compelled by some unknown force to hold down the tab key.

>>167593771
no
demon is intensely fun and replayable at first, but once you've played several variations of all of the viable builds and fucked around with tedious unviable or goofy builds, every game pretty much plays the same
it's similar to DCSS actually in the different phases of play (honeymoon phase were you don't know shit but have the time of your life, playing a cookiecutter build for your first win, doing goofy shit/exotic builds, and then finally winscumming/scorewhoring). the main difference is that Demon has actually fun engaging combat instead of spamming tab or magic macros; also DCSS is actually more replayable because of the wide variety of vaults/layouts/branches/environments, length of the game, ID minigame, and the relatively large, competitive community with detailed game statistics and morgue files available to beat off to
demon environments are pretty fucking bland and untacticool (no shallow/deep water, flammable forests, diggable/beam reflecting/transparent/door walls, traps (actually does DCSS even have traps any more? I miss shadow traps, literally made me shit myself while clenching my anus hard each time I stepped on one), etc.), there's no ID minigame to inject artificial replayability, and a lack of significant milestones that make you feel like you're progressing in a big way. also no ASCII so it's not really a real roguelike

>>167595079
>>167597938
Wait, did (((they))) make poison magic not complete garbage?

>>167605872
Controlled blink
Shatter

>>167606594
man i havent played since back when grinder had a dick, i couldn't tell you how good it is
i just know that it exists

>>167606594
They've made it so VM matches its old description: completely owns early game and then falls short. New level 2 poison smite is everything sting dreamt to be, new toxic radiance doesn't poison the caster. If you go Veh you own early game with poison and then get poison arrow or other multipurpose spells.

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lol!

http://underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue/TarquinMitzi/TarquinMitzi.txt

Is there any chance in hell I can beat those two, or should I Just get the fuck out?

>>167608943
orc sorcerers deal up to 50 line damage, enjoy fucko

>>167608943
Pretty sure you can't. If their demons or their magic don't fuck you up, the orc warrior eventually will.

>>167608943
Also:

Baileys are usually a lot of effort for not much gain. Most of the time, it's simple stuff like managing a bunch of kobolds or basic orcs throwing shit at you. But with more dangerous enemies, it's almost definitely not worth the trouble. Those two scrolls of fear in (what appears to be) a central location in that vault mean you're not going to get better loot.

If i want to be a minmaxing faggot in terms of stats and abilities in TOME4, which race should i roll with?
Adventurer seems a no-brainer for minmaxing, but i can't choose between ghoul (that huge HP bar, but slow and no Lich Form), Whitehoof (no Lich form and lower HP than Ghoul) Skeleton or Shaloren (which are OP, but i'm not sure if they are the minmaxing choice)

>>167610114
Shaloren's racial is well known as the most powerful in the game

>>167606460
Demon was always too tedious for me; too many menus and micromanagment n shiet.
I can bear that for roguelikes that I'm invested in, but the whole pokemon-thing isn't really appealing to me.
I always plan to dive into it because people on here seem to be having a lot of fun with it, but eh.

>>167608943
You've probably gone past this point, but you could easily take with a few nemelex summon cards.

>>167593771
I'm still playing it, but since there's like 2 other people (at most) here who play it I don't bother posting about it because I'm too busy playing

>>167606460
Have you played Demon with corpse encounters? Being surrounded by a bunch of overlevelled demons/a ghost is pretty ass clenching

Though I agree with a lot of your complaints and compliments about Demon, I think it's worth mentioning that according to the dev, the Tower is indeed going to get terrain and like 20 more floors.

Though I can't blame /rlg/ for not being as keen on a literally unfinished game as I am

Best background to ensure survival under Kiku until i get the Necronomicon and especially Death's Door castable? Assuming a squishy race like Felid or Octopode (Deep Elf has insane aptitudes, but still kinda applies)

RIP Repel Missiles:

https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6993651381ec54b41ad219c4c6380028b2801db6

>>167616150
I've never really seen an endgame necromancy user use death's door, they tend to use infestation the most from the necronomicon, but the best background for Felid is probably enchanter with necro allowing it to kill unhexable stuff and having good utility.

>>167616234
They said they'd remove regeneration too, but it's still there.
Or do they plan a huge update where they basically remove every utility spell?

>>167616150
I havent seen anyone use death's door ever or talk much about it in here or in some chats on online servers

>>167616234
Rip game, was fun

>>167616234
Yeah, but now you can wear a rmsl scarf like a cute anime girl.

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>>167616234
Leave the restless dea-
>(monsters will still be able to cast it)
I hate that; they remove the player's ability to do a cool thing, but leave the effect in and make it something only monsters/very specific items/gods can do.

>>167616887
>a cool thing

Wow a passive ability to sometimes dodge SOME projectile attacks

thrilling indeed

Sarcasm aside, I think I know why DCSS babbies get so mad when boring shit gets removed- the default gameplay and combat of DCSS is such a fuckign snorefest that spamming buffs is actually exciting

>>167617526
Are you saying o-tabbing your way through the game ISN'T something people find fun?

Shit, that's a good point. Maybe we should tell the devteam.

>>167555959

Nice font, thank you. Much more readable.

Can someone explain how Life Rating works in PCB? Is 115/100 good or bad? I thought higher was better but sometimes I've polymorphed and seen it drop, only for my HP to go up. Can someone explain?

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What the... think I just found a weird glitch. Went into the town hall in Telmora, accepted the vault quest, pressed escape to leave and now I'm here? Is this a known glitch?

>>167620469
Your HP is determined by a bunch of things:
there's are multipliers from class, race, and personality, there's a multiplier from your CON score, and last of all there's your "life rating". So if you changed to a high-HP race like half-titan, or you gained points in con, your max HP may have gone up even as your life rating went down.

Confusingly, the hp multipliers from class/race/personality are ALSO called life rating, but they aren't taken into account for the number you get from !selfknowledge. A mighty half-titan-berserker and a shrewd specter sorcerer will both see a number averaging 100 there, even though the former probably has more than double the hp.

>>167621071
Thanks for that, but what does 115/100 actually mean?

>>167617526
At this point, I'm desperate to save everything and anything from removal; I've learned that they use past removals to justify the removal of yet more things, and at the current rate I'm worried they'll remove Charms entirely and replace it with an EXP-tax and the ability to activate [buffs] every n EXP.

>>167621701
uh, your HP is 115% of what it would normally be for your race/class/personality/constitution

115% is really good. average is 100, extremes are 85 (or maybe 90?) and 115

>>167622020
It can definitely go above 115, I've seen 118 while shuffle scumming.

Probably maxes at 120 or so.

>>167596790
That string of *Ouch!*es was actually from mass genociding Z on Angband:100 iirc, but someone post "the suns searing rays scorch your flesh" x99

How do I romance Duvessa

>>167627674
wand of enslavement

>>167627674
Dream

Where the fuck are the possessors Darkgod? You can't just fucking tease something and then disappear for 2 months.

>>167634550
In the beta, which has been available for testing for a week.

What a noble sacrifice!

>>167621828
Don't bother. Let the morons kill the game so that somebody actually competent may finally find motivation to start/promote a branch based on an earlier version.

Remember to drag all their names through the fucking mud in the meantime though.

>>167634814
Do you have to pay2win to beta test it?

>>167639141
The possesors specifically, yes. They've taken the spot of stone wardens, which will now be freely available.

>>167639498
Did people ever figure out a way to pirate the donator classes?

Lost a promising character due to obvious faulting, but was getting kind of bored of it anyway. I've gotten two chars to decently high in PCB (balrog warrior and this boilerplate tonberry monk) and every encounter seems to become kind of the same. Quaff speed, earthquake/forest to break los for breaths/etc., maybe cast stoneskin or resists, hit mob until it dies or I get low enough to have to tele and drink a full shelf of CCW. I'm probably a baddie and missing something that would make things more interesting.

Are psions good? That seems pretty different. Steel dragons were also kind of tempting; similar gameplay but somewhat unique equipment slots.

>the only video of possessor gameplay on the internet is some japanese dude
Nips' roguelike community is underrated as fuck.

>>167640571
nips are the ones who make the Shiren/Mystery Dungeon games

>>167616234

About time, they finally got rid of that redundant spell. It's quite unfortunate though, it seems that this semi-removal of a no-brainer spell implies that Regeneration would just get a spellpower and level nerf instead of an actual removal. SAD!

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>>167640076
PCB gameplay can get boring when you're not making progress - it feels much slower than DCSS because you can repeat levels and not be pressured to go deeper. But deeper levels means better loot and more experience, and those are what you're after in PCB. If fighting stronger stuff for better stuff repeatedly doesn't interest you (it takes a special kind of autist), then just put the game down and come back some other time.

Psions are great in the endgame, but before psistorm you have to compromise - do you want early convenience for a slightly weaker endgame character, or do you want what amounts to a perfect superhuman but with a painful and difficult and discouraging earlygame? Steel dragons are powerful, much easier, but they're not really a newbie race because of the ring slots.

>>167594682
HOFE

I swear to fucking god, I've been getting the most bullshit RNG situations in Crawl lately.

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>>167646291
Get gud

>>167616234
Not sure why they wouldn't do the obvious "fix" of nuking player accuracy while the spell is active, like how they nuke your movespeed with ozo's armo(u)r.
Wait no, I'm sure, they removed it so they could have an excuse to completely remove charms since there'll be hardly any charms spells left.

>>167647128

That isn't a fix, that would just be redundant to that unrandart amulet

>>167648646
I don't think unrandarts should be considered when designing other parts of the game. That seems like a good penalty to me, and if it makes it too much like the amulet, then I think they should change the amulet.

>>167643814
Can't you !newlife to reroll your psi powers?

>>167648737

Not to mention that it's already redundant to Deflect Missiles. It makes one wonder how it managed to stay in the game for so long.

>>167648987
The spell repel missiles is redundant to the spell deflect missiles? I don't think so. That's like saying that the spell firestorm is redundant to the spell fireball; it's just a more powerful version to keep up with the power progression.

>>167649228

Fireball is way different from Firestorm. Firestorm is smite targeted, has bigger AOE, has irresistible damage, has a chance of expanding 1 tile larger and spawns fire vortices. There isn't anything remotely similar between them except that they deal fire damage.

>>167649387
Fireball and Firstorm are very similar. Both do the majority of their damage in 1-shot, on the turn they are cast(as opposed to poison/freezing cloud/tornado) both are limited AoE centered around the point of the blast(as opposed to glaciate/shatter), and both reduced effectiveness against fire resistant targets.

Firestorm does have a lot of perks that elevate it above fireball, even if they did do similar damage, but I don't think people would spend the XP on firestorm if had the perks of smite/vortices/lingering clouds/partially irresistable damage only. I think they _would_ spend the extra XP if it had the huge AoE and the greatly increased damage only, though. And a firestorm that just had the increased AoE and damage would very clearly be a buffed up fireball. So, I think they are very comparable. More comparable than freezing cloud is to glaciate, or chain lightning is to tornado, or LCS is to shatter.

>>167650064

It is as similar to saying a +0 scimitar of flaming is the same as a flame tongue; they aren't, it's silly.

>>167650064

>freezing cloud is to glaciate, or chain lightning is to tornado, or LCS is to shatter.

how are you even real if your brain isn't real

>>167648931
wizmode it

>>167648987
make deflect missiles cause all of your projectiles/ranged anything (from any source (including non-beam AoEs like fireball/storm)) to fly in a random direction
if that's too "nethacky" then have it massively reduce the damage of the ranged attack
also make you move slower because the vortex of wind around you is fucking up your movement, so that it wouldn't be a nobrainer for speedrunning/rune stealing
also make it cause double irresistible torment/dispel undead so that it wouldn't be a no brainer for standing your ground against a bunch of enemies

>>167650745
the similarities are:
>ranged
>cannot miss
>limited AoE equally distributed around a center point
>majority of damage is on turn of casting
>do primarily fire damage

scimitar of flaming vs flame toungue is a much larger gap.
>flame tongue is ranged, scimitar of flaming is not
There are other differences, but this is the most significant difference. The gap between beam and smite targeting is large, but not as large as the gap between beam targeting and melee.

Even if we don't agree on this point, there's still the sandblast-stone arrow-iron shot-LCS progression. If the repel missiles-deflect missiles progression is redundant, then is that progression redundant?

I would agree that you are clearly just increasing spell damage (some minor changes is spell ranges) to keep up with the power game. However, if you decide that this is unacceptable, then what are your options? Remove low level earth/conj? Remove high level earth/conj? Remove the game mechanic of power progression?

>>167651353
I would say make deflect missiles also deflect zaps from:
>wand of heal wounds
>wand of hasting
>wand of invisibility
>wand of teleportation

>>167651635
Make it deflect all casting buffs too. Your buff runs out, you can't recast until deflect runs out.

>>167653339
>>167651635
I think that's a little problematic with the consistency of some things being treated as projectiles, and therefore checking EV/SH, and some being treated as hexes/magical effects, therefore checking MR

>>167651530

Ranged, AOE and cannot miss are all common elements of not only conjuration but damage spells in general. They are all common elements that cannot be helped like how they all require mana and 10 aut to use.

So in the end the only similarity they have is that they both deal fire damage. Like what I've said earlier, claiming that fireball and firestorm are the same while taking all what I've previously said into account is similar to saying that a +0 scimitar of flaming is the same as a flaming tongue; they aren't.

>sandblast-stone arrow-iron shot-LCS progression

You're wrong about sandblast. Sandblast requiring ammo is the biggest factor forcing Stone Arrow to be a necessary spell to exist or else EE would be very tedious to unplayable. You can't just force a midgame-postend spell Iron Shot to be in the starting spellbook now can you? Iron Shot fulfills the role of a midgame spell that is cheap and great all around for any spellcaster to pick up/branch to (just like Deflect Missiles) while LCS is just the EE focused spell that has a nice drawback of requiring the caster to be almost beside the target.

These are all quirks and traits that Repel Missile <--> Deflect Missile progression doesn't have. They do the same, they don't even need to be recast that often so their mana differences are scrapped and they don't even have the tactical decision of choosing between them when you can already cast both.

Is it just me or are damage spells just immune to the problem of redundancy? There are currently 6 types of bolt spells if you weren't aware, I'm sure that is already saying much.

>>167653979
AoE, cannot miss, ranged, and majority of damage in turn of casting are common characteristics, but the combination of them is not common. Not very many spells have all 4 of those.
The spells that have those characteristics are:
>fireball
>firestorm
>glaciate (a little different, because area is not distributed equally around a center point, and there is damage falloff with increased distance)
>lee's rapid deconstruction (a little different, because can only be aimed at appropriate 'brittle' objects)
>yara's violent unvraveling ( a little different, because can only be aimed at appropriate targets)

So in fact most conjurations or damage magic is ruled out. Fire magic is recognized in DCSS as the most 'blasty' magic because it has the most blasting, the most lobbed fiery explosions that can't be dodged. The similarities between fireball and firestorm are very strong, much stronger than the fire damage.


And ok, let's narrow it down to just stone arrow -> iron shot progression then. Both behave similarly, one just has higher damage numbers. For most EE, a progression from stone arrow to iron shot is anticipated. Does that mean that one of the spells is redundant?

Reduce all classes to
1) Fighter
2) Stabber
3) Warlock (casts untyped 'damage' magic)
4) Hexer

Reduce all races to
1) Human

Reduce Dungeon Structure to:
D1:D5
Z1
Ascend with Orb

Reduce Pantheon to:
1) Trog
2) Dithmenos
3) Vehumet
4) Sif Muna

Reduce damage types to:
Simple untyped damage

Player max level is XL 3
Inventory space is 10 items

>>167653862
>problematic
there's that word again

>>167655032

>Reduce Pantheon to:
>3) Vehumet
>4) Sif Muna

made me giggle like a little girl

Reduce all races to:
1) Human

Reduce all classes to:
1) Wanderer

No Gods
No leveling up
Only useable items in game are starting equipment

Game begins with Orb of Zot in your possession and you are on the ascension run, on D:1. Find the upstaircase and ascend to win.

where are Amy and Femmy?

>>167655032
do this please
inb4 some retard says gnollcrawl

>>167655435
>races and classes
disgusting bloat
you start as @, just "player"

Press spacebar, random number generator gives you 10% chance to win and 90% chance to lose.

Premium Users have a 50% chance to win.

>>167657313
Also spellbooks and mana should be removed, as well as Int and Dex

won my first 15-rune game with a cheitroll

should my neck crawl milestone be 3 rune streaks or multiple zig raiding?

>>167658808

You should try streaking

>no longer able to specifically disable reddit zombies, have to play 'classic' or not at all
>can't specify slow zombies, ALL creatures must be slow
fuck off kevin you fat fucking cunt no one gives a shit about your le epic brain blob lore

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>Page 10

I want to scold you guys, but I'm doin' so poorly now, I have nothing to contribute. Hoping to break out of this rut today

>>167664226
I hope you have a good day!

>>167620846
weird

>>167657741
This would actually be good, though.

Been trying out City of the Damned recently and it's loads of fun. Sense Good/Evil were really good additions, and the new Military faction is also cool. Humans are OP now, though.
>soldiers/military have the only ranged weapons in the game, which come with infinite ammo and take off 1d2 HP per unit for every turn an enemy is in sight, in a game where Arch-Demons/Angels have 40 HP and only deal ~10 damage per hit in melee and lesser beings have a max of 16 HP and deal up to ~7 damage in melee
>Satanists unbless all blessed humans within sight for free while simultaneously cursing Angels, and can summon demons, and don't even give power to Angels for killing them
>Chaplains can dispel your guise from a distance, in a game where no one else can do that

>>167621828
>worried they'll remove buffs entirely
FTFY

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...Yeah, I guess I'll wear it. I dunno if it's worth it, though.

>1h42m of idling

euros, what the fuck

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This thread needs saving from carnism and page 10

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Did everyone die, or is everyone actually playing roguelikes?

>>167685373
I just splatted a dude that had everything in his favor. I'm so mad at myself i've just been watching crawl lets plays

>>167685373
I'm programming a roguelike
Does that count?

>>167685865
Only if you actually finish it without splatting.

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>>167685373
More like
>we've played all the roguelikes we like to death
>there's only like two people that play a given roguelike anyway
>so nobody needs help and all that's left to post about is 'look at my sweet loot' or 'wow I won again'

I'm gonna start playing roguelikes for Android and post about it to keep the thread from dying again I guess

>>167686042
Well I just started playing DCSS a few days ago if you guys could help me I'd be very thankful
>Inb4 play Troll Berserker

>>167686524
Don't play DCSS, it's bad.

>>167685373
>I DEMAND that you post every little thing that happens in your game

>>167686683
Y-you too!

>>167685975
It's one of those continuous development ones and it's not exactly mine

>>167686953
Is it at least a fun roguelike?

>>167687532
Fun, but in gray area of roguelikeness

Currently playing Collaterals Souls; a game with no loot, but "perks," upon level up. It's generally fun, but it gets annoying when you move one square and three melee monsters with a billion health (or else that perk that means they only get hit 25% of the time) realize you exist. Especially since those guys start appearing on every floor after the first.

>>167686524
Alright, some general knowledge I have for starting your DC:SS character:
1. Wait until you're several levels down, then start random-reading your un-id'd scrolls first BEFORE you quaff un-id'd pots, starting with the scroll stack you have the most of- it's good odds that stack is the identify scroll for your game (or the tele scroll, or the remove curse scroll.) Random use of consumables to I.D. them is an inevitable necessity in DC:SS when you start, but potions are generally more valuable than scrolls, and if you get the identify scrolls found you can use them for all your potion identifying. I don't consider it a waste to use them this way; it's far better than using up a might or invis potion that you could've used in a pinch when you found yourself cornered by Sigmund or Urug or some crap you weren't prepared for.
2. If melee, immediately drop training for all skills except (your chosen weapon type) or (your chosen weapon type + Fighting) when you start. If a mage, do the same for either Spellcasting or Spellcasting + (your chosen spell school.) Keep 'em there until min. delay or single-digit spell failure AND zero spell hunger for at least your level 1 spell, preferably your level 2 or 3 ones if you have the patience for it.
3. Vehumet is good for Conjurations, but little else; consider Sif Muna if you absolutely insist on having a spellgod for your religion. Gozag is a fantastic choice for Spriggans and Mummies in general; Dithmenos is pretty much built for stabbers and nothing else, same with Kiku for necromancers; Okawaru gives a wider variety of gifts than Trog, and doesn't even prohibit your spellcasting to get them (though frankly, Heroism doesn't seem quite as powerful as Berserk from what I've seen... but then again, it doesn't leave you slowed when it expires, either, so meh.) Qazlal's a fun choice with excellent benefits, but the increased noise you passively generate will screw you over notably unless you are prepared to manage it.

>>167688321
Woah, thanks a lot, especially on the spellcaster tips. I generally like more to play spellcasters in roguelikes because they start off very weak but become absolute rape machines in the end of most games. My first and only nh ascenscion was a human wizard.

>second time in a row where I've had a Pandemonium entrance in Orc

weird.

>>167688321
Why is gozag good for mummies?

>>167691163
Not the other guy, but: all the benefits of Gozag, without any worry about the lack of corpses.

>>167688321
>(though frankly, Heroism doesn't seem quite as powerful as Berserk from what I've seen... but then again, it doesn't leave you slowed when it expires, either, so meh.)

Heroism lasts *much* longer than Berserk with even low levels of Invocation skill (and also doesn't require you to fight every turn). You can also do things like read scrolls and switch weapons under Heroism (for instance, to a ranged weapon and then back to a melee), which you can't do when Berserked.

Another small benefit is the +5 skill to Stealth, which can be oddly useful if your armor's encumberance isn't massive and if you already have a semi-stealth setup. Also useful is the +5 to Armour and Shield, which boost your AC and SH -- Berserk is full-offense, which when combined with its quick runtime, isn't always the best.

IMO, Heroism still has use even in Zot, whereas Berserk is actually really dangerous against Zot-level enemies/groups.

>>167688080
More on this: there are a bunch of different starts, a start being a particular perk that your character begins with that affects your whole game and in my opinion the Scholar start is both the most powerful. and the most fun.

Scholars get to pick two perks per level up as opposed to the one that most players get, but to balance this they get 0 stat growth; whereas all other starts get more HP, more damage, more accuracy as they level, Scholars don't. This is okay because perks are very powerful.

For example: there's a chain that goes Armoured->Radiant Armour->Solar Armor->Phoenix Armour and by Phoenix Armor you have 49% damage reduction, a larger field of vision, and a passive aura that deals 1 damage per turn to everyone within your field of light. It also propagates any on-hit effects you might have.

Combine this with the Pact Pistol line of perks, and you literally cannot take melee damage; you automatically teleport away whenever an enemy moves into melee range. You might worry about ranged enemies since you only have 30 HP, but there are other perks that reduce incoming damage to a fraction of what it could have been; notably Initiative and the Stone Body ritual.

What's more, all of the weapon upgrade lines have radically different powers and uses, so each one plays entirely differently, which gives the game high replayability.

It may be something of a coffeebreak roguelike, but it's definitely fun.

>>167694431
That sounds incredibly gimmicky
mite b fun

>>167695153
I thought a gimmick was something that professes to be a new mechanic but doesn't actually change anything. Like motion controls.

>>167695679
A supposedly important mechanic that becomes meaningless due to balance issues also turns into a gimmick.
If there are many mechanics in a small game, some of them will necessarily become gimmicks.

>>167695679
I define gimmick as any sort of feature, addition, or change that is intended/advertised as new, game-changing, and very useful and/or interesting, but turns out to be not very useful or interesting.

For example I would say that thumbprint-ID or voice recognition to unlock your smartphone are gimmicks, because they're supposed to be super cool and fun, but become boring and irrelevant after the first couple days of owning the smartphone, but GPS navigation on your smartphone is not a gimmick, because although it may lose it's excitingness, it does not lose it's relevance.

>>167692282
but qw yolozerks zot corners all the time

>>167699015
Robin Williams is a celebrity. Robin Williams killed himself. Just because a celebrity does something does not mean that it is safe, or advisable.

>>167701075
>qw is a celebrity
ahaha

>>167701187
I made an assumption based on context. Who is qw?

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Well, after enough fault I get better at this challenge.
I have enough food, amphetamine withdrawal takes 1 whole season (14 days) to be cleared.
Let's hope I can sustain myself with toilet water in this place, I don't want to take a risk and explore the city, even at night.

>>167695679
A gimmick is something that seems novel at first but then you realize it's just window dressing for shit game mechanics, like putting lipstick on a pig.

felids getting 3 lives is a gimmick
octopodes wearing only rings is a gimmick
deathswords are a gimmick
i want to say demon's pokemon gimmick is a gimmick but i actually like that game and demon management is fun and interesting
sil smithing is a gimmick because it involves nerfing your entire character and mixmaxing like fuck to maybe get a forge to guarantee decent items when you could just maybe get those items as random drops with an actually good character
halls of mist no-light hallucinations are kinda gimmicky too because they don't really add anything to the game
can't really think of much else at the moment

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>>167701339
a robot

The thread will die when I'm asleep won't it

>>167704881
probably

>>167704881
Get sleep res.

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>>167706351
do NOT eat a elv
elves are for lewd, not for cannibalism

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You know what I think might save this thread? Similar to the PCB challenges and stuff, someone proposes a game and build (or challenge) and then people post their progress. first person to post proof of a win under those conditions (also proving no cheats) sets the next challenge.

If people agree to this idea, I'll set the first challenge - win PCB as a female combat tanar'ri (it's a demon monster class in case you can't find it). Their final form gets to wield 6 weapons simultaneously, I wanna see some sweet shit!

What say you /rlg/, you up for the challenge?

mumo

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My headhunting reward is putting rShards on rainbow DSM. Meh.

>>167707717
Sounds like a larf. I'll give it a shot after my current char dies.

>>167707717
>combat
personalities other than lucky are suffering
especially ones with bad device skill

>>167690241

You're weird!

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Today, I learned that, unlike all other Earth Magic, Lehudib's Crystal Spear cannot be resisted by AC. Or anything else.

I had a scroll of silence, but I couldn't use it, because several dragons had me in melee and I didn't trust myself to last reading it because I had blurry vision. And I never found a cure mut pot, anywhere.

I just needed the tele from my wand to proc. I had Haste quaffed and everything.

I had 53 AC on that character, not to mention pretty much every elemental resistance maxed out, across the board. From Fire to Electricity.

>mfw

>>167714514
LCS is resisted by AC.

>>167714514

This is why you should always cast Regeneration.

>>167714514
it just subtracts 1dAC-1 from attacks anon
you can always roll an unlucky 1.

AC is more effective against many low-damage attacks than against single high-damage attacks, though. against shit like LCS, EV is much better. which is why you should have a good balance of both instead of going all-out on one

>>167713314
Honestly I usually pick lucky because I liked being skilled despite lower stats, I didn't even know about the 'improved drops' thing. My most recent character I decided to buck the trend and went with mighty instead. I'm playing a deathsword.... I'm so full of regret. I can't think of a worse build on which to decide to not play lucky....

>>167712762
Hoorah we have a taker! That makes two of us, who else will take up the gauntlet?

>>167715982
lucky is actually a pretty bad choice for sword/ring, and for badslot monster races in general
-2 all stats on a human ain't too bad because you can find shit to equip and hit the cap anyways

-2 all stats on a ring or a sword is pretty bad, because there's no way in hell you are getting to the con cap like that

>>167707717
>>167716098
I was with you up until
>win PCB
I have no desire to do that whatsoever. For that matter, *bands in general take too long.

That said, I think you're blowing this out of proportion. It's probable that the lull in posting is due to college, and so it will pass eventually. We're only down to ~60 IPs from the ~90 that we have at peak activity.

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>>167716098
Here's a thing.

>>167715982
Lucky isn't so amazing for death swords since you can't realistically max out your stats because of the way the requirements grow. Though your device skill is kind of bad, so who knows what ends up more useful.

https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ca134569a4ad

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAJJJJJJJJJJ

>>167717806
>we accidentally realized some magic was fun and good in books filled with bad magic so we removed it so you have to like your nofun bad magic spells instead

>>167717806
>both lose their best spell
>AE becomes unplayably shit
>Cj is probably okay but no real reason to pick it over FE/IE

>>167716098
Don't get too excited; I'm awful.

>>167698932
I use thumbprint ID more than I use GPS

>>167717806
>Fulminant "please rape my face by making me put xp in a useless school" Prism
>interesting

>>167707717
How many tries do we get? I like to splat 20 characters or so by being foolhardy in the early game.

>>167718514

It's just a level 4 spell, you don't have to put anything in [bloat] school to use it.

>>167701339
The world's greatest crawl playing robot, programmed entirely in LUA using nothing but the game
>>167718726
There's no way to track it

>>167718726
throw corpses at the wall until one sticks

>>167719320
Isn't that how everyone plays roguelikes?

>>167719630

Not really. Crawl exists you see.

> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ab1b74e1

> blow shit up

>>167721798
seems cool/fun
idk why they had to replace delayed fireball instead of just having both in the game tho

>>167721798
but how will we be able to go through the whole game without the lucky FBall status light from the first casting in order to give us hope and courage

>>167721798

Nice, finally an actual addition to the game to replace that boring af spell.

Played a bunch of different Collateral Soul builds, and I've learned that I hate all the gun types except Shotgun and Pact Pistol.

There are four gun types; the aforementioned two, Sniper Rifle, and "Assult (sic) Rifle," and they all have unique specialties. There's also a base gun but it doesn't do anything special.

The Shotgun specializes in AoE and damage; it hits enemies that are immediately adjacent to your target, ignores cover, has a short range and does loads of damage. It has two mutually exclusive upgrades; tentacles, which give HP-for-damage (not much, but still significant considering that HP doesn't regenerate except on entering a new floor), and the other one, which increases the AoE of the hit-adjacent-enemies feature, decreases the amount of time it takes for the gun to fire, and also makes armor increase the damage dealt instead of decrease it.

The Pact Pistol ignores armor and cover, has a middling range, and has enough non-mutually-exclusive upgrades that are really great that I'm not going to list them all. It is overall the best gun type, mostly due to the synergy is has with other perks.

The Sniper Rifle is garbage, pure and simple. It specializes in long-range; this occurs never, since almost every map is a maze and the darkness mechanic prevents you from seeing clearly even when the map is favorable. It's also worse than the basic gun at close-range, to the point of uselessness. It has two mutually exclusive upgrades and both are terrible; one allows you to skip a turn to deal more damage when you finally fire; provided you have a target in your sights. The other allows you to do scratch damage on every enemy between you and your target.

Finally, the "Assult Rifle." It shoots 3 times instead of once, but only the first one deals full damage; the other two deal a max of one. If the extra shots miss they're rerolled to hit a closer enemy. The upgrades aren't worth mentioning. The gun isn't bad, it's just not a Pact Pistol or Shotgun.

>>167721798
That seems really fun, and also way better than most level 7 spells.

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Ugh... another promising run ended because I stopped paying attention for literally one second (again), and died by reflex before I realized what what going on (again). It's always the stuff you don't see coming that gets you, yeah?

Thinking of switching over to 'Ston Sup', as you guys make it sound. I figure since it's most of what gets posted here, it has to be fairly good. Thing is, though, even though you say it's the most fun with the most content, I like my interfaces clean and my information upfront. So just so I know what I'm getting into, would you say that DCSS is the kind of roguelike where you need to pour over spoilers to understand what's going on, or does the game do a good job of telling you stuff in the game/docs?

That is, what should a newcomer expect from it?

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>>167723307
>since it's most of what gets posted here, it has to be fairly good.
heh
> would you say that DCSS is the kind of roguelike where you need to pour over spoilers to understand what's going on, or does the game do a good job of telling you stuff in the game/docs
No, the examine function is pretty good, and the pastebin should give a short and effective explanation of what the skills do. That said, if you want to minmax you'll have to codedive; their damage calculations are so retarded that they refuse to show them in-game. Also, everything (literally [figuratively] everything except enemy HP) works off of 1d(number), so it can be very swingy.

>>167723307
For enemies, ctrl+x+! is generally all you really need, but you might want to ask or look up uniques or really dangerous stuff.
For player stuff, like damage formula, it's a lot more obtuse with codediving if you want perfect info. it also depends which version you're playing, the newer versions are a lot more informative, roughly telling you the magic resistance of creatures and their armor and evasion. Older versions you have to either look up, guess, or just pop a buff on anything that looks slightly threatening.

>>167723307
s/pour/pore

crawl isn't a game that's as hugely spoiler-dependent as, say nethack, but it still has an annoying habit of hiding info from the player like damage numbers, actual monster AC/EV, etc

it's a good enough game when you're new but it gets kind of boring and samey

>>167721798
>Replace Ignition with new spell: RmxdIgn

>It's the remix to Ignition, hot and fresh out the kitchen...

>>167721798
>CHAOS DUNK

>>167721798
>doesn't affect the player or allies
run around the level making as much noise as possible, get a big crowd following you
run into a corridor and get some sputterflies up
murder everything following you with double to octuple damage smitefireballs depending on how grouped up they are

also secret tech: sacrifice love to Ru, then cast sputterflies to get hostile ignition fodder and instantly blow up anything in melee range of you

Have there been any playable commercial/indie roguelikes out to pirate lately? Last one I know of was the new OWH.

>>167728295
did you play vanilla bagel

One last thing about Collateral Souls; it has an annoying tendency to crash. I've gotten ~5 characters over level 10, but only 2 of them died; the rest were lost to crashes.

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Is this some kind of joke?

>>167729379

just use ur trident wat a retart

>>167729808
>fight a eel, presumably without relec
just literallywalkawaymeme

>>167571258
that's because you divided the general

couldn't live with roguelites in peace like we did it for years

>>167730096

>letting an escape route unsecured

ISHYGDDT

>>167729379
It's alright, every player is guaranteed to have a bolt wand by this point in the dungeon.

>>167721798
>fire magic keeps getting better and better
>poison magic still utter trash past lair

>>167730720
poison magic's stated intention is being good early and trash later

its problem was that it wasn't actually good ENOUGH early compared to other schools. apparently the smitecloud fixes this, although i haven't played DCSS in a while

>>167730852
The problem with crawl is that being "good early" means literally nothing because early game is free anyway. This also applies to most other roguelikes.

First tanar'ri dead, entirely to my own hubris. Probably shouldn't go directly for dual wielding, either.

Actually a decent warrior type, at least in the early game.

>>167731007

Early game isn't free. Proof of this is the humongous early game deaths from a lot of players regardless of experience. Poison has a leverage on this since it's good early game, labeled as the hardest part of Crawl by many.

>>167731007
Early game has the highest deathrate among good players.

Only people going for streaks care about that though.

If you die to a D2adder you are out 1 minute of otab whereas if you die to a Zot5 OOF you lose hours.

A game that has a REALLY stupid early game is Demon. If you don't pick a light magic start, good luck trying to do West's Sanctum and Anomaly. There aren't even any significant strengths to the other starts that make up for it.

>>167731606
how new
just roll veil tank
the west encounter trivializes itself since you can just link with headless and win
the worst shit there is probably ghouls who can chain paralyze you and burst your PC down

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The tanar'ri's fist form is just a manes, which is seemingly a generic meleedude.

Now that i'm a quasit... I get to cast phase door?

>>167732450
Yeah, the one downside to the race is that you don't really get anything interesting for a long while.