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Let's break it down Edition

>What's new?

>Stukov reveal BLACKED by le ebin BR musicman, Lucio
https://youtu.be/iQ_1HIvclmQ
>Valeera and obligatory annual Chinese market pandering (Free Red Cock Mount)
https://youtu.be/fWY6RbiNgVk
>Latest In Development Video
https://youtu.be/3oD8DrPANfw
>Year in Review
https://youtu.be/sYIpkktbm68
>For new players:
https://youtu.be/wPk004vsjuE

>Which heroes should I buy?
Play all the heroes on free rotation or try mode and see who you like. Don't buy heroes just to get into ranked, you'll regret it.

>Current Weekly Brawl
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20532380/hammer-time
>Latest patch notes
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20506310/heroes-of-the-storm-balance-update-january-27-2017-1-27-2017
>Weekly Sale
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20505189/weekly-sale-jan-31-feb-7-2017-1-31-2017

>Hero rankings, various statistics, talent calculator:
http://www.hotslogs.com/Default
http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator

>Current Tier List
http://www.robogrub.com/tierlist

>Where do I find you "Artanis is balanced, everyone else is weak" shitstains?
"/join /vg/" in game chat

>Tips and other useful resources:
http://heroesofthestorm.github.io/tips
http://heroesofthestorm.gamepedia.com/Heroes_of_the_Storm_Wiki
There's also a leddit page, but we don't talk about that

Last defeat: >>167357228
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Reminder of reddit karma-whoring sell-out rats: https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/4mh256/theres_a_guy_on_4chan_who_has_accurately_leaked/

https://www.reddit.com/user/SSJ5Gogetenks
>ponyfucker

They are in this thread RIGHT NOW!
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Post your hero without posting your hero
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>>167480675
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>>167480675

Ragnaros
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5th for artanis should have never gotten the swap buff and instead should have had his talents and stats reworked with other QoL changes to his swap and dash
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>free artanis week

see you guys next week
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>>167480675
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>>167480818
He still would have been garbage, just like how Butcher and Twin Blades Varian are garbage.
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>>167481014
Twin Blades was good before the nerf.
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>>167480675
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>>167480818
>reworked talents
so nerf his most picked talents and give minor buffs to the worst ones so they're all mediocre?
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>>167480675
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>>167481050
No it wasn't, it was okay because Taunt was garbage and Collosal was really situational. Then they buffed Taunt and made it clearly the best. If they didn't touch Second Wind people would still take Taunt over Twin Blades every time because Twin Blades is really easy to deal with.
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>>167481084
That's pretty much what they kept doing before they finally fully reworked him with the swap ability in mind.
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>>167480675
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>5 stack in QM
>They have a Medivh

Every single time. Medivh exists only for these stacking cocksuckers, I swear.
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>tfw their valeera has master skin but yours doesn't
>tfw all there is left to do is pray they will steam roll us fast so i can enter some other match
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best 1lvl talent for sylv? mercs or the haunting wave
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>lunara spends entire match laning
>gets on MVP screen

remove
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>>167483094
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Cho'gall should get some kind of protection to %HP damage or armor or something.

I wish he was good or at least usable again. Such a fun hero to play.
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>>167463878
>>167463878
>>167463878

Post your skin dreams/ideas
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>>167483964
Legendary Varian skin that turns him into Garrosh
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>>167483768
That still wouldn't fix how fucking retarded people are with him, and have no fucking idea how to play him.
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>>167483964
Winter Kael, with thick fur cloak, ushanka hat and giant snowball for Pyroblast. Other spells would just be some cold blue winds

Pirate Captain Greymane

Any fucking thing for Chen; no new skin for 2 years already
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Threadly remidner that if you 4 or 5 stack in QM, you have absolutely no balls, you bitch.
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>>167483964
Kor'Kron Outrider Rexxar
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>>167483964

Playing lili in ranked to not be a reportable offense.

She's just fun to play.
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>>167480675
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>>167480334
this image needs to be a meme.
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>>167480675
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>>167480675
rag
>>167480743
azmodan
>>167480786
kael
>>167480954
lunara
>>167481073
jaina
>>167481108
valla
>>167481870
master chief from halo

>inb4 grass hopper
its a locust u potato
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To whoever posted >>167338614, thanks for the build.

Being able to ignore my team and afk on minions and objectives really did help with sucking less in games.
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Is Chromie's Timewalker's Pursuit quest(regen globes give mana regen, 5% ap on completion, plus 25 sec cd free vision) quest bugged? Number values aren't changing whatsoever in try mode when I finish the quest vs not having it
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>>167488437
>a grass hopper
Lunara
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>>167488437
samuro
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>>167486618
>bear does his best to impress mates with staff tricks
>never gets laid because other bears were jealous he kept getting treats from the tourists who came to see him
That was a pretty depressing documentary.
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I feel as though DoTs shouldn't reveal stealth. As Gul'dan it just feels cheap as fuck that I negate the entire core of their kit just by landing E by a sliver.
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>>167489476
You're landing a skillshot and it's their fault for getting hit.
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I literally keep getting the 8 games quest

Not that I am complaining, but this shit be crazy yo.
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REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

GIVE ME THIS MOUNT
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>>167489476
Nah, that's fine.

I've been wondering if they're going to rework/revamp the stealth mechanic eventually, though. Make it less oppressive to bad players and less useless against good ones. Stratch that, actually. Players with eyes.

>play with low mmr friends
>knock nova out all game because standing still doesn't help
>she ends game like 1-14
>"submitted to blizzard for map hacking :)"

>>167490182
Yeah, ditto. Multiple accounts as well.

>800 or 600 gold quest almost every day
>1000 gold weekly brawl
>200 daily event gold

They're not going to do any more hero price reductions, are they?
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>>167490271
>They're not going to do any more hero price reductions, are they?
desu they should restructure the pricing scheme to follow the difficulty rating of the hero. Everyone still launches at 15k, but then instead of dropping and staying at 10k, they go to 2, 4, 7 or 10 depending on whether they're easy, medium, hard or very hard
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>>167490409
>Azmo 2k despite being harder than the average hero
>Especially since he's not meta/top-tier at all
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>>167490534
Azmodan isn't particularly difficult unless you're opting for a Q build.

>>167490409
>Johanna reduced from 10,000 to 4,000
Nice, perfect. Good, safe beginner tank.
>Kerrigan reduced from 7,000 to 4,000
Okay, fair enough, I guess.
>Rexxar reduced from 10,000 to 4,000
YO HOL UP
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Seasoned Marksman or Reactive Parry on Artanis?

Seasoned Marksman is a dumb idea, right?
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>>167490782
You go Q build 99% of the time.

>>167490782
>Zera still 10k
>So many heroes are still 10k
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>>167490270
How is the cloud a Warcraft mount?
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>>167491076
We did get that red one in Mists of Pandaria. Came with a neat little disc, too.

>>167490980
>Q build

Eh, yeah. After Diamond I can't really see anything else working. Not really a reason to be picking him, either.

>real rework when
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When should a Guldan go Fel Flame talent build?
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>Lose because of retards
>Get MVP

Is there a worse feeling in HotS? It should be a good thing, right? But it just makes me feel like shit.
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>>167491076
The same way any map reddit doesn't like is warcraft. I've seen people unironically state that terror garden is from the warcraft universe.
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>>167491389
Where's it from?
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>>167491854
The OC Nexus universe, along with most of the others.

>8 Nexus
>2 Starcraft
>2 Diablo
>0 Warcraft
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Is Uther worth it to buy and play right now? or just stick to BW and wait for Lucio?
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>>167492627
I think he's the worst support at the moment
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How the fuck is Samuro's win rate so high?
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>>167493038
Cloakie + he has the meme of "he's OP!" by retards. Said retards refuse to get gud since they're all in this circle-jerk mindset of "he's OP therefore I can remain dumb"
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>>167493038
Invisibility = Invincibility
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>>167493038

Because only pros like me play him.
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>>167493038
hero seems like literal garbage whenever he's in my plat games so i have no idea
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>>167480675
ember spirit
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>>167491945
And then in those:

Haunted Mines, Cursed Hollow, Towers of Doom are in the same "world"
Sky Temple and Tomb of the Spider Queen
Gardens of Terror and Dragonshire
Then Blackheart's bay by itself.
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>>167482416
I play him in solo qm only for fun, you know what sucks? going against a five stack with only solo players after 5 wins, especially when they are coordinated as fuck and have cc up the ass,nothing saves you from the actually coordinated non greedy valeera that's made her life goal to fuck with you. At least we all got deleted and had a 12 min game.
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>>167494324
Funny you mention that. I had a 6-7 win streak yesterday, I get on the play toady, 3 fucking games in a row against a 5 stack on voice comms. (I recognize the people)


I fucking can't stand this matchmaking, they need to remove 4-5 stacks from QM, I'm so sick of it.
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>try to get samuro to 5
>Ragnaros, Auriel, Tassadar, Nazeebo
>the moment I engage in any fight I lose half my health
This game is suffering
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>>167495294
you wanted a viable stealth hero whos name isnt zeratul? ha
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>Get curse
>LETS GET BOSS
>Both teams are near a boss
>LETS START THE BOSS
>Wipe the enemy team we're all alive and healthy need Leoric to tank the core
>LETS TAKE THE KNIGHTS
>Eventually lose
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>>167496512
>tribute spawns
>started heading for it
>valeera keeps pinging boss
>two people up there
>more pings on boss
>everyone else gives up tribute and heads to boss
>it's obvious what we're doing
>enemy team caps tribute
>I'm the only one who spots Zeratul
>couldn't reveal him
>he prisons boss at 1%
>his team collapses in
>we get wiped
>they take boss

Totally worth it.
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>Li-Ming is voiced by Azula
I knew there was something familiar about that voice, no wonder that she is best girl.
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>>167497018
So Li-Ming confirmed for wanting the BBC?
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>>167497308
Was there ever any doubt
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>>167497308
elaborate
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>>167483964
Summer fun pack.
Bikini valla, ming, Jaina.
One piece jo, Kerrigan, valeera
Speedo tychus, Jimmy and greymane
Others: add bikini stitches and child swimwear Lili, as well as swimsuit BW
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>>167498135
Add V-String Valeera and Morales into the mix and we're goo.
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>>167499254
The model for medic is fucked up because of the armor, I doubt they will do some skin for her like that.
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>>167499456
So is General Jimmy, they still did a proper remodel of him.
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>>167499456
Prisoner Tychus and Comander Raynor are a thing.
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>>167499254
>Not sexualising hope
I can't tell if you are doing something right or wrong
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I'm getting kinda tired of stealth comps in QM.

Last 3 fucking matches have been:
>Valeera
>Zeratul
>Nova
>Pick 2 or 3
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How is this hero balanced?
>Extremely high HP
>Very high damage both single target and aoe
>Insane map control
>Some of the best utility in the game
>High self healing
>Has unique and very very powerful mechanics

What was Blizzard thinking? Literally the only thing he doesn't have is CC. There is no reason not to pick him 100% of the time.
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>win 3 games quest
>win 2 games in a row
>play 3rd game vs AI to make sure to stop playing in a good mood
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>>167501040
Who?
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>>167501135
Leoirc
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>>167501224
Oh him

Leoric is balanced by being slow as well, very situational heroics (one of them is useless without the right team and double useless depending on the enemy team), long cool downs and as mentioned before little to no CC
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>>167501412
>Zul'jin meets all of these
>he still got nerfed
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>>167501412
That wasn't me. It's not Leoric.
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>>167500482
She is pure stranger and I am going to marry her, so I'm not sexualising her
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>>167500482
Nigger Tyrael in bondage, she can be the ropes.
Best of both worlds.
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>>167501586
This guy is not me, I did mean Leoric.
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>>167501565
Zul'jin is an assassins, so his lack of CC is understandable. But at least one of his heroics has a fantastic use and are nowhere near as situatinal as Leorics.

He also isn't slow
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>mfw felsaber mount is attached to the fucking bundle
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>>167502938
outta here leaguebabby
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>>167503176
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>>167491278

Pretty much never. Only Flame talents situationallay worth taking is the spell shield one and the decrease corruption CD one.
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>play mostly quick play with my friends
>one always picks murky
>the other zuljin
>they complain how op valeera is
>i mostly play valeera
shes not op,right
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Daily reminder.

Since and including Tracer we had
>8 Warcraft heroes
>3 OW heroes
>1 Diablo hero
>1 Starcraft hero
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When are they going to nerf Li-Ming, its getting out of hand.
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>>167504817
Terokk when
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>>167504821
Funny.

>>167504562
>playing hots with friends
God bless, never take them for granted.

Also; no, she isn't. Your friends just picked Heroes that don't deal with her very well.
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>>167504821

Her winrate is abysmal. You are just shit.
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>>167505040
How much of a shitter do you have to be to think winrate = balance?
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>>167502782
Entomb is fucking naughty.
Unless 3 people on their team have invulnerability and mobility options then it will always be good for getting picks.

March is decent in some qp matchups, wish it was better because his laugh during it is amazing.
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>check the technical support section
>lag spikes are still an issue
wew
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>>167504817
Chun li when??
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>>167505206
>get a spot of lag
>fps drops to 0
>disconnect
>Server is 3:19 ahead
>come back in to random talents

>>167505157
What's the issue with her, then, exactly?

Besides all the <Master players picking her and often dragging their team down, like Medivh lite.
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soon.
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>>167505554
reinboss soon my fellow reinbros :)
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>>167505171
It now deals 10% of a heroes health with each swing, 7% heal for hero hit stays.

There, it's actually fucking worth it now.
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>>167505171
The following characters will hard counter Entomb
>Li-Ming, Falstad, Muradin, Brightwing, Valla, Sylvanas, Illidan, Anub'arak, Artanis , Diablo, Zeratul, Auriel, Medivh, Alarak,Tracer and Lucio when he gets out
The following characters can easily get of Entomb depending on their heroic
>Falstad, Thrall,Chen, Stitches, Lunara
And then there are some characters that are to risky to Entomb like Gazlowe, Varian, Butcher, Tychus and Azmodan (his "all shall burn" will beat your drain hope and attacks)

Don't get me wrong, Entomb is great when you have the right team for it because it makes everyone caught in it a easy target. But it depends on who is in your team and who is in theirs
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>>167505859

Level 20 upgrade makes it do that. It applies drain hope each swing, amounting to like 25% hp if you make it stick for the duration and hit all swings,
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>>167506340
It's hard to pick over spectral leech since it only gives you a base level drain hope. You don't get any of the extra regen, finisher damage, or reach.
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>>167501565
Zul'Jin is better than he was before going Boneslicer/Vicious Assault/Eye of Zul'jin offers much more utility without sacrificing much damage and makes him much harder to counter, net and lacerate are also great talents that give him pretty good CC
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>>167488437
No not Valla. Think of what happens to him in the movie and the outfit.
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>>167505554
Why not just put the whole franchise in.
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>>167488437
Ovariously varian neckbeard
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>>167490976
I have yet to be able to unlock the ability promised. Like it feels like a win more talent
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>>167498135
If heroes came out in 2004 maybe but it's 2017 I'm genuinely surprised they didn't go back and start censoring past heroes like sylvannas with legion drop
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>>167488437
best ult
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>>167490976
Amateur Opponent, unless you need the damage than Seasoned Marksman.
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Why is Anub'Arak's winrate so high? Is it the 25 spell armor?
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>>167506060
>using your 70 second cooldown to counter his 45 second cooldown
Oh yeah that's a real hard counter there.
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>>167507801

>lots of CC
>strong against nukes
>best CC ult in the game
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>>167507801
Because he's very strong, just not in every game.

>multiple ad
>little or no ap

Might pick something else.
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>>167507856
The odd thing is though, even at diamond/master level play locust swarm has the higher winrate; 8% difference between one's winrate and the other.
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>>167506340
It's also only on level 20, and deals all it's damage over 4 seconds AFTER you hit 'em with the last swing.
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>>167508020
What I've been curious about is his passive/beetle build win rate. Have always opted for the burrow/E build.

>get epicenter
>burrow into multiple people
>toggle swarm
>W it up
>burrow into them again because cdr
>win fight, usually
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>>167507925
>ad
>ap
Nigger if this is Lolspeak, fuck off. Talk like a real human being.
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>>167499807
>General Jimmy

farewell my sides, may we meet again some day
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>>167508020
Anub already has good CC, so the added survivablility is better in most cases. Add to that he usually has another warrior with him that offers their own CC and you don't really need cocoon.

Pair him with Varian if you want to have some stupid fun.
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>>167508150
Here, I'll just link you the page that shows all of his respective talent winrates. Make sure you click at the top so that you're only getting Diamond/Master league ratings so that you're not getting diluted by the lower ranks.

https://www.hotslogs.com/Sitewide/HeroDetails?Hero=Anub%27arak
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>>167505206
Holy shit, thought it was just me

Thank the heavens, I was gonna stroke out
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I have had the worst week in HOTS. I don't know what's wrong, but I just can't seem to win a game properly any more.

Should I just switch to HL? I've only been doing QMs.
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>>167508162
>attack damage
>ability power

These both apply now, unless I'm mistaken.

>armor
>magic armor

The latter doesn't, although I can understand them wanting to keep things straight forward and consistent.

>>167508338
Yeah, I know. Haven't checked the page in a while and it looks the same. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting the data.

also always thought swarm was the better heroic in, like, 95% of situations

>that cocoon win rate
yikes
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>>167499254
yeah, the current valeera use a diaper.

disgusting
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>>167508438

No. Hero League is more infuriating at low levels.

Either take a break or focus on playing one hero that's in a high viability tier and just practice. QM is a shitshow, don't bother worrying about W/L ratio.
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>>167501040
i thought you're saying butcher.
but he have cc
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>>167507838
Who are you talking about?
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new map when?
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>>167508542
Yeah. I guess I'll go with that. I never "main" because I have so many heroes it feels like a waste.

But yeah, I feel I need to stick to one for a bit, just for my sanity. My nexus challenge stimpack ran out, so I don't have to worry about the extra XP.
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>>167508905
We already have a fucking dozen shitty maps.

I wouldn't mind Warsong Gulch and Arathi Basin, though. :3

>>167508972
Yeah, I'd recommend it. Pick a Hero or two and just spam them out. Get so comfortable on the Hero you're able to focus on everything else. Map, positioning, enemy/allied ability usage, etc.

Preferably a simple, basic or "easy" one, like Raynor.
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Reminder that bastion, Zenyatta, roadhog, and 76 are going to be skins, and will likely not even have replaced voice overs IE widowmaker.
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>>167509645
I get roadhog, but why the other three?
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>>167508898
50 second cooldown, my bad.
All I know is if anyone pops their ult because they got entombed then it's a good trade. Instead of letting them use it at a good time during a team fight they're forced to use it just to stop themself from getting picked.
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>FNC
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>>167506060
>Medivh counters Leoric

I can't speak for GM, but in Diamond people lose their shit and have no idea how to react when you set up to entomb the exit portal.
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>>167509734
Zenyattas ult is malfs, 76 will be Raynor, and bastion will never be a hero because he has to deploy just like hammer and his ultimate is a tank just like hammer. It's too similar.
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>>167498135
Biker gang Zul'Jin
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>>167509645
So bastion is a bastard of hammer and tychus with first aid instead of a knockback.
76 is Raynor with a slower heal that affects allies as well, and Valla's strapon for an ulti.
Zen is a tyrande/malf hybrid.
They all seem like potential characters, though 76 seems the most lame.
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>>167510228
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The game would be better if every support was like the current version of Tassadar
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>>167510138
Not really. Zenyatta's ult actually heals and doesn't allow him to perform actions while doing so. It's actually useful.

Besides after bringing in Brightwing 2.0 anything is possible.
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>>167509795
Lunara has nothing to do lose on using her jump heroic to get out of Entomb

And sometimes it just so happens their heroic has finished cooling down after a team fight just as you Entomb them
>>167509978
>Medivh counters Leoric
No, I'm saying that Medivh counters Entomb, portal is easy to set up.
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>>167499807
General Jimmy is ripped as fuck though
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>>167509909
>2%
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>mfw SKT Bang has HotS in his desktop
https://clips.twitch tv/bang/GlamorousDeerSoonerLater
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>>167510476
Tyrande, desu.

>support means healbot

zz

>>167510661
Oh, maybe that was him I saw in general after worlds.

>grandmaster smurf lf people to queue with
>bunch of stuff in korean
>20 game win streak

Whew.
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>>167483964
Teen Wolf Greymane.
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>>167510476
so every support should be a garbage primary support and a great secondary one?
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>>167509909
I knew it would go wrong the second they passed the bruiser camp
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>>167510807
>Lucio coming to the nexus.

Might check out.
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>>167490270
i'd buy that mount, but not the fucking bundle
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>>167511096
Was the dragon ever sold separately?
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>>167511096
Same.
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Fnatic's Chromie is disgusting
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>FNC chromie
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i can count the number of times sulfuras smash has hit, this weekend, on my hand
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>NA thinks they can compete with this
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>>167491945
Dragonshire and Tomb of the Spiderqueen are warcraft maps
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Chromie's 20 Time trap talent has been sleeper OP for months now
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>>167512774
what
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>>167512774
They aren't. I have played all WC and WoW, they bear no semblance.
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>>167512774
beg pardon
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>>167510138
>>167510556
>Zenyatta
>Q: Heal over time as long as ally remains within X of Zen or he recasts it.
>W: Skill shot, after a 0.25 second delay, fire all of your orbs dealing X damage per orb. Orbs regenerate one per four seconds, maximum five orbs.
>E: Give an enemy -10 armour, lasts as long as enemy remains with X of Zen or he recasts it.
>R1: Tranquility - Zen becomes invulnerable but cannot use abilities for 3 seconds, during this time all allies within X of him heal ludicrous amounts of HP per second
>R2: Disharmony - Zen marks every enemy within X with his E, lasts 2 seconds or until they move away from him.
>Trait: Something buddhist sounding - 85% of Zen's health is a shield that regenerates quickly if he doesn't take damage for a few seconds

Sounds like something they would do.
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Should I buy Dehaka, or wait for Lucio to come out and buy him?
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>>167480675
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>see kerrigan
>"alright nice"
>turn her around
>see the heels
>see her ass sticking out
>see her ass from behind
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>>167491945
At the start I thought Ravenlord might be Medivh
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Is Kael'Thas just completely out of the meta?
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>>167512774
I really don't know if they're doing it to be cunts or do they actually believe that.
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>>167513491
He's amazing if you can actually land Flamestrikes.
If you somehow manage to finish his quest in 4 minutes than it should be an easy game.

he has the potential to deal a lot more damage than he used to, not it just takes a bit more "skill" instead of d>w>w and occasionally e and r
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>>167480675
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVQ8byG2mY8
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>>167483964
Secret Agent Abathur.

Wear's a tux and bow tie, his lil locusts get a tux, and his symbiote gets a bow tie.
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>>167513491
KT attracts terrible players who suck at the game. They have no idea what positioning is, get caught, die and blame the hero because "I'm master league im at the top of my game"
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Surrender button when?
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>>167514459
Hopefully never.
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>>167512958
>W: Skill shot, after a 0.25 second delay, fire all of your orbs dealing X damage per orb. Orbs regenerate one per four seconds, maximum five orbs.
Nonono, more like:
W: Skill shot, after channeling for up to 2 seconds, unleash a volley of orbs each dealing AA damage. Can move while charging the ability up.
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>>167514459
Uh, probably never.

Maybe a "Remake" similar to League, where you can surrender without penalty if somebody disconnects early?
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>>167514459
>>>/lolg/
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>>167514814
>lulufag hasn't killed himself yet
Pass.
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>>167513491
He's not as 'easy' as Jaina or Li-Ming, but a well played KT is ridiculous.

He does require your team to have good map awareness and a desire to keep their teammates alive though.
>>
tfw you pixie dust w/ spell shield someone to save them from Pyroblast. every time
>>
As of now, from multiple leaks, heroes confirmed to release first half of 2017:

-Stukov
-D.Va
-Kel'thuzad
-Junkrat
-Malthael
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>>167515883
tfw you draft anubarak and nazeebo against a team of three casters
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>>167516324

I believe you anon, thanks for the leak
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>>167516324
>D.Va
>Three literal whos
Suuure
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>>167516324
Junkrat will only be fun if they can somehow recreate grenade physics in HOTS
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>>167516472
>three literal who's
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>>167516324
Now that's a grim future.
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>>167516631
>Junkrat's AA does splash damage with a decent RoF, but it has a travel speed and if the target dies (or moves) before his attack hits it bounces like a projectile
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>>167516324
>Kel'thuzad
>Malthael
I want it.
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>>167512958
Keep in mind widowmaker is nothing like nova and she's relegated to being a skin.
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So when is this loot, changes to hero xp/rewards and profile levels coming?
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>>167517525
Fucking awful skin at that. Not even an OWfag.
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>>167517525
>Gul'dan will never be added
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>>167517543

soon(tm)
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>>167517525
Widowmaker's survivability is also entirely built around three dimensional movement and the ability to one-shot the vast majority of non-tanks.
That does not make for good character design.
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Pharra when?
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>>167517681
Agreed, and I don't play Overwatch or Nova.

>hey what if
>yo hol up i'm thinking
>what if we like
>just painted her face blue lol
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Hmmm, should I buy Valeera or Zeratul?
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Guess the winner, /hotsg/

It wasn't the blue team
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>>167518512
how
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>>167518683
>playing on battlefield of eternity
>kept racking up kills
>tell team to go kill immortal
>they don't
>enemy team gets three immortals in a row
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>>167518447
im stuck on the same decision
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What are your predictions on Valeera next patch, /hotsg/? Nerfed? Buffed? Unchanged?
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>pick li-ming vs brightwing
>win
Who would have thought...
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>>167519792
what

>ming counters bw
what kind of bronzie logic is this
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>>167519640
qm-fag here
even there she isn't really that intimidating, I was honestly worried she'd be an annoying cunt
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>>167519792
How does that work, exactly?

>>167519640
Yeah, I'm curious to see what they think of her.
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i wish auriel wasn't so shit, best design in game
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>>167519640
Hopefully nerfed
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>>167520547
Care to expand on this? I'd just like to hear thoughts on her.

>>167518447
>>167519484
Uh, I'd be hesitant with Zeratul if only because he's a very, very old Hero that has yet to be reduced in price. Might wait for Valeera tweaks in the coming patch (if any) and then decide.
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>>167519640
Unchanged with a note about how they're watching her carefully.
Alternatively a change to Cloak of Shadows so that it also activates her stealth.
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>>167520525
>auriel is shit
what
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>>167519908
>>167520080
Doesn't she get fucked by burst damage because she can't counter it with her heal?
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>>167521596
Uh, sort of. Her passive negates a large amount of Li-Ming's poke and her talented E reduces ability damage by 50%. There's also the fact she can point-click disable her if she decides to all-in and get aggressive.

Maybe I'm entirely wrong, though.
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>>167521596

She is countered by 1) Chromie 2) Alarak

Poke damage is her weakness, and she needs a reliable beacon of hope target.
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>>167483964
When?
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>>167521596
No.

BW gets countered by aa dive+lockdown. She's slightly favoured against Ming. telegraphed mage dmg she has spell armour against and poly on top if ming goes ham.
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>>167521856
Wrong support, that reply chain is about BW.
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>>167514459
Never, the comeback mechanics in this game are to strong for a surrender option.
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>>167523348

clicked wrong post ty m8
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>That top post on the HotS subreddit

I don't understand. Why is this the top post? Why do people need streamers to tell them what to do and how to play a hero, especially one as simple as Nazeebo? He's one of my top played and I'll be the first to admit he's incredibly straightforward and his talents reflect that. I legitimately do not understand these people.
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>>167524497
>he visits reddit
There's your problem
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>>167524497
>reddit
Stand still, this is only gonna hurt A LOT
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>>167524497
I don't know. Probably better this than the hourly "appreciation" threads.

>omg this game so good
>is only game i play
>such much better than other mobas
>this game is my life
>omg blizzard take my money
>i love hots btw tho lol

>>167524571
>>167524796
Mhm. It's alright for news, though, especially since Blizzard responses to stuff officially on there.
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>>167524497
Bit Horsepantsu is sooo funny xD
He swears and don't give shit and play gud xD XD
Epic Artanis swaps!
He calls Nazeebo a nigga HA HA because he is a nigga!!
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>>167525016
Why are all the na streamers retards?
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>>167525157
They saw pewdiepie get rich by acting retarded
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>>167525157
idk why are all their viewers retarded

>dude donations lmao
>ayyyy ty for sub dude god bless


>>167525320
yeah, actually, lmao
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>>167525157
Fake, forced obnoxious personalities for the sake of the attention. This way people acn say "hes such a colorful person!" when in reality, that's just a normal human being in front of a camera, as in when people know they're being watched, a LOT of people are prone to shifting their attitude/personalities to reflect that which they believe others want them to be, or whatever would garner them the most favor. Our generation was big on the "LOL SO RANDUMB", and as a result ended up being drawn to "LMAO SOOO FUNNY MEMES AND EPIG IRREVERENT HUMOR JUST LIKE FAMILY GUY!!!!!"
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>>167525320
Yeah because nobody figured out that in entertainment people like stupid people.

Pewdiepie invented slapstick humor and was actually the writer of dumb and dumber.
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>>167514459
they should just make a game not count for your mmr or rank if someone was disconnected for too many time, and put malus point to the retard that disconnected
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I'm trying to find a good quality wallpaper of Valeera, the one that's on battle net client. Does anyone have it?
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>>167527312
Like this?

>>167527150
That, or just do what League does and offer a surrender option (at no point loss) if a teammate doesn't leave spawn within several minutes. I'm not sure how Dota handles these things, but it can't be as bad as Hots.
>>
so im pretty new, trying to find a hero that can have fun in solo and not be extremely reliant on team

is zeratul a good option? ive seen a few in my games and he seems to be independant
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>>167527312
>2007
>wallpapers
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>>167527928

Stealth heroes are bad. Avoid them.
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>tfw you get a triple with an azmo Q and MVP
I love Azmo.
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>>167527928
if you are low level anything stealth is good
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>>167527980
kk. what should i pick up then? since i cant throw money at this game i want a hero that has some depth and is also lets say a meta pick.
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>>167527928
>wanting to be xXxl0n3w0lfxXx

>>167517293
>>167518385
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>>167527980
top bronze

>>167527928
Zeratul is very strong but also pretty hard to play well. You should check out different heroes to see which role you like best and then go from there.
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>>167524796
>tfw I understand that reference
DA DOK IS IN
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>>167527928
Eh, no. For more than a few reasons.

>>167528092
I'd recommend trying out Thrall.
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>>167528147

If he's new, playing a stealth hero will teach him bad habits like poor positioning, never to get exp, etc. Don't encourage yet another shitter stealthie in solo que.
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>Everyone trying to 1v1 me while I'm playing Greymane.

Listen I know he isn't meta right now but he still does damage. If your playing Falstad trying to man up on Greymane probably not the best decision.
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>>167528538
alright ill check him out
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>>167528147
You probably shouldn't be learning the game on stealth Heroes, though.

>Thrall
>Johanna
>Malfurion
>Raynor

Just a few examples off the top of my head. You'll have a smoother time easing into the game playing any of the above rather than, say, Zeraul, Alarak or Kerrigan.

>>167528735
Yeah, that's always great. Like when somebody tries to duel Jimmy after he gets Nexus Frenzy and finishes his Seasoned Marksman.
>>
That Nazeebo guide is actual shit. Either he's trolling rebbitors or he's bad himself. The """humor""" is cringe-worthy.
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>>167527892
the one where she's in a sewer or dungeon and there's a torch on the wall next to her, its the same one on the battle net client right now.
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How come the spikes on Valeera's pauldrons move about?
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>>167529016
Oh, I don't know about that, sorry. Would be interested if you did come across it, though.

>>167529007
There actually seems to be so little reputable content.

>>167529175
WoW armor thing.
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>>167529224
>WoW armor thing.
What's the name of it? I'd like to read up on it. Like what purpose they have. Not even interested in Valeera, just dumb armour bothers me (I'm aware WoW is full of that)
>>
>>167529007
If your talking about Horsepant's guide the humor is whatever, but the build is amazing. That's pretty much what I take in most games and it's really good.
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>>167529439
You realise that guide has numerous builds in it, right?
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>>167529375
Oh, her set doesn't exist. Like, in WoW, at least as far as I know.

>purpose
They probably thought it looked cool. Or maybe there's lore behind it? I couldn't say. For the most part it's just dumb.

>all that rogue tier covered in lights
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>>167529512
It brings up every talent, but the build he focuses on is:

1: Thing of The Deep
4: Blood Ritual
7: Dead Rush
10: Garg
13: Take your choice
16: Spider Colony
20: Vile Infection

The added range and sustain help out your weak early game and you become a monster late game. I used to go Spider Build, but the added range on Thing just feels so much better, not to mention it allows you to get Dead Rush.
>>
>>167529761
>Not taking Big Voodoo
>Not taking Big Voodoo with Vile Infection
>That fag recommends always taking Superstition
>>
>>167529978
Not him, but isn't Superstition part of the reason he's picked, like, into heavy AP?
>>
>>167530040
There's more to Nazeebo than just one talent.
>>
>>167529978
No he says if you can take Superstition take it because he's right in the right situation it's fucking broken.

Also just try Blood Ritual. It helps so much in laning phases and can easily give you health during long objective fights by just throwing your spiders into a wave of minions walking by. They are both good talents, but I like Blood Ritual more for the sustain. You won't see the results of Big Voodoo until late game and by then you are already a monster because Nazeebo scales hard in the late game.
>>
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>>167530643
>Bronze

Nice, dude.
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>that feel when you spot that a team would be fairly weak to illidan and you're picking late

best feel
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>>167530864
That brightwing must be shit man.
>>
>>167530938
Hey, Jaina and Falstad should've blown him to pieces because of Brightwing.

Things don't always work out how they should, though, especially the lower you go.
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>>167531091
>Hey
Yeah, rather. I'm tired.
>>
>>167531091
That is true.. did the Brightwing remember to save poly just for the illidan dive though? Or was it purely the assassins being shit?

[As someone who usually supports, It's frustrating when people don't follow up on that critterize poly]
>>
>>167530938
>muh poly
totally overrated
poly is strong vs illidan because it a guaranteed hit, thus allowed the rest of the time to actually hit the skills that matter
but they had little followup CC; so even if I was poly'd, the worst that happened was I took a little damage

>>167531091
in what world m8
also this was d1/master
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>>167530859
i took me 50 thrown games and a weeks ban to get here. im damn proud of my bronze ranking :^)
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>>167531282
>d1/master
Oh, so it hasn't changed.

>a little damage
Or Jaina just presses all her buttons and you die instantly.

>>167531301
Brilliant.
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twitch tv/blizzheroes
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>>167531506
Yeah whatever dude, not like I'm playing alone diving headfirst in their team.
Sure they all could have saved their spells just for me but then my team would have killed them.
>>
>>167531713
Ye, just sort of surprised. Nice work, though. I'm not bashing or anything.

>>167531542
>tfw gilly ptsd
>>
>>167516324
>-Malthael
aidan and cain were leaked too, and I rather have the dark wanderer than this shitter
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>>167528216
What reference exactly ?
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What am I doing wrong bros? I know it's bullshit to blame teammates because pros consistently get to high ranks every season and don't get trapped, but what am I suppose to do if I get forced into healer/tank and my teammates first pick hammer and take the most ridiculous talents vs valeera?
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>>167534287
It's not bullshit to blame teammates, the only thing you can do is be smart about your draft. If your teammates don't, then whatever, not your fault. That's all HL is, "good" drafting and talent choices. You can't control everyone sadly.

The "pros" get there through repetition. If you've seen any GM or Master streams, games are thrown and lost for as much dumb shit as lower leagues are. You have to grind through those retarded games to get to good ones, especially ones you win.
>>
>>167534287
if you truly believe yourself to be better than everyone else at your level, coordinate your team
type a lot
>>
>>167534287
Have a small pool of Heroes (preferably relatively simple, ideally also strong) then just spam out games. Focus on anything you could've done better, win or loss.

>>167534647
Seconding this. Yes, you'll lose a lot of games beccause of your teammates. The important thing to keep in mind is that there's only so much you can do about this. You can't stop somebody from first picking Abathur on Tomb. Just keep your chin up and try your best, make the most of the opportunity, etc.

Don't get tilted. Queue back up.

tldr don't blame teammates because it's pointless, even if they were entirely at fault
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>>167528004
Azmizerg when?
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>muradin
>valeera
>varian

who here /alliance cancer squad/
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>>167534287
I blame my teammates for more then half my losses, hell I blame them so much that I don't trust anyone on tank duty but myself and I barley trust them on support duty as is.

So blame them, but only when it's valid blame.
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>>167535341
>Talking shit about Muradin
Come over here, I want to introduce you to my hammer
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>Angelic Valla
>her face shows instead of being pitch black like Auriel's and Tyrael's
>>
>>167535341
I've been playing Greymane. Does he count?
>>
>>167535971
Well he left the alliance then came back like a fag so I think it does count.
>>
>>167535341
>Varian
>Uther
>Muradin
>Valeera

Stun city.
>>
>>167536080
>Jaina
No escape.
>>
What heroes are good in quick meme that would otherwise be shit in ranked because they're easy to draft against?
>>
>>167536067
What did the Horde get when the alliance got the Worgen? Is that when they got the Forsaken? If so that's a shit deal.
>>
>>167536467
Cho'Gall, Lunara or Nazeebo.

Lunara and Nazeebo are nightmares in those no support games.
>>
>>167536470
Goblins.
>>
>>167536689
Are you joking? That's worse.
>>
>>167536920
>creators of the super bomb and super arcane bomb that destroyed theramore
>worse

lol
>>
>>167536920
>One of the best races
>Bad
<]:^)
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>>167537010
Goblins are fucking worthless. At least they finally gave Gallywix his own model.
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>>167480675
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>>167537295
Dehaka?
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>>167480675
This one is too easy desu
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>>167538364
Zul'jin?
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>>167538123
You get one more try.
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Professional HotS looks like my average pub game. What a shit-show.
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>>167536920
That's what I thought when it was first announced too.

And then we got them.

And now they've joined the Tauren and Trolls as a favorite race of mine. Trade Prince Gallywix when?
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>>167539028
Oh, Zagara. I guess I was thinking more of a basic xenomorph.
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>mfw lucio is the next hero
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>>167539609
are you the bald dude or the pink guy? i don't know if youre happy or dissapointed.
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>>167539647
Disappointed as fuck.
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>>167539609
>the next hero is Lucio

>>167539721
Seconded.
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>>167539609
>mfw lucio is the next hero
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>>167539609
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>>167539609
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>really looking forward to seeing what kind of kit Stukov will have
>jk baited you with that teaser haha it's lucio

like did I miss something or was lucio hinted at all

>>167539960
>winning in leg arena
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>>167540108
check the op
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>>167539609
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>>167540108

Basically Blizzard is assblasted that Axototl leaked their entire release lineup for the next two years, so they are trying to shift around development to keep people surprised. If Stukov is next, we will know with 100% certainty that this is the case.
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>>167539609
>Lucio is the next hero.
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>>167540108
Either they couldn't get Stukov working right and they basically just copy pasted Lucio from OW so he was quicker to just release or >>167540221
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>>167540108
>everyone makes fun of me for thinking Dehaka would be Terokk
>everyone pretends the next hero is Stukov for no reason and then gets upset when their made up conspiracy isn't true
told you fucks
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>tfw Lucio instead of Stukov
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>>167540163
ye I know, was just referring to that "wheres waldo" style teaser thing they had after releasing Valeera which seemed to suggest next hero was Stukov

don't recall seeing a pair of skates being spotted or anything

idk slightly salty

>>167540221
yeah that's sounds reasonable
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>>167540487
Neither of them was hinted at all, people assumed it was memekov and now as you can see they are salty as fuck.
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>>167539609
>mfw the next hero could be another fucking OW hero
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>>167540585
>we get Genji or something
>and two Overwatch themed maps
>before AB and WSG
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>>167539609
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>>167540373
>for no reason
There was new Zerg shit in the Where's Valeera pic.
Even if not Stukov, it was a SC tease.
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>>167540817
We were so close.
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>>167540901
Forgive me, but whodat?
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>>167535341
>valeera
>alliance
but shes a blood elf
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>>167541356
Spotted the Legionfag
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>>167541356
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>>167540585
anything but WoW

I really don't care as long as it is anything but WoW
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>>167541583
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>>167540710
>he doesn't want a pure and unfucked version of genji to break HOTS

why even exist if you don't want broken assassins in this game?
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>>167541706
Okay Garrosh or Deathwing I would accept

But no more WoW, plz.
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>>167541830
Fuck off we need Maiev
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>>167541903
Why? She's an absolute nobody, who gives a fuck.
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>>167541428
>>167541478
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>>167541830
I would love to play as Deathwing's ass.
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>mfw triple release of Lucio, Stukov and ROCK N ROLL RACING
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>>167541903

FUCKING WHEN!?
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>>167541903
>irrelevant quest NPC from Legion
why
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>>167541903
Pass.

>>167541802
>hots gets yasuo
There is no escape.

>>167541989
I don't even have words.
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>>167541903
MAYBE
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>>167541903
Zertaul already cucked her out of the Warden toolkit.
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Why do people want Garrosh exactly? Isn't he just Grom but worse in every way, in particularly writing?
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>>167542996
Garrosh did nothing wrong.
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>>167542996
Yeah, he will either be a skin for grom or grom will be a skin for him they are pretty much the same character
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>Playing Quick Match.
>Decide to pick Leoric because I haven't played him in awhile.
>Enemy team has Cho'Gall.

Ha fuck you.
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holy shit did team8 even TRY
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>>167541903
She was a main character in Frozen Throne, but she already has a feature as a skin for Tyrande so I doubt it.
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>>167544206
I need to rewatch the game fugg.
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Remove.

This.

Faggot.
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QM makes me want to die
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>>167544551
four level advantage for gale force at the end
it was ridiculous
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>>167544283
The altered fate skins don't really mean anything. Tyrande has a pretty shitty warden look anyway. But Maiev is already mentioned as a priestess in game anyway in lunara's altered fate bio.
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>>167542996
>Pure Orc Warrior who only lost because Green Jesus cheated
>The same as the Demon Semen drinking fag who gets anal anihilated
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>>167544787
I'm just saying that it's too visually close for them to add her. I feel like it was their way of adding her without adding her, similar to what they did with the Amazon from Diablo or Widowmaker.
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>>167544984
Pure Orc Warrior? As in psychopath trying to fill the shoes of much better leaders?

So, the whole appeal of him is that he was a dick?
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>>167545056
Well, one thing about Maeiv is with her huge coat, her silhouette will look nothing like Tyrs.

In terms of at a glance, she'll probably look like a blue Kael more than anything.
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>>167545056
The warden skin Tyrande has doesn't really look that close to an actual warden. It's not that visually close to Maiev at all
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>>167545097
The appeal of him is that he isn't Thrall or Sylvannas.

Vol'jin is also acceptable.
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>>167545337
>wanting vol'jin
literally the worst troll and the most do nothing warchief
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>>167545337
But he isn't Grom. Why DO we need more warchiefs?
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>>167545056
>the "character silhouettes matter" meme
>mirror matches every game
they will say anything you are stupid enough to accept. those skins are just their way of spitting in peoples' faces and saying they'll make what they want, fuck you all.
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>>167535341
>valeera
>alliance
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>>167547459

She actually is

>all sindorei are horde

laffin@ wowfags rn
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>>167547459
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>>167541356
>>167547459
Merely pretending and fishing for yous xd
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>Playing ETC
>Lose a teamfight, I'm the only one who survived because they didn't even hit me
>Their malf fucking spams B at me from the edge of my vision range
>Run after him
>Roots me and pisses off
>Yeah you better run fucker
>Go back to take care of a siege camp
>Malf runs back in to spam B at me
>Ignore him 'cause the camp might take the fort if I chase him around again
>He runs up
>All the way to me
>And fucking
>Moonblasts me
>I fucking stage dive him right then and there
>Three people run out of the bush and kill me
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Grom will be a skin for Garrosh since they are making all of the hearthstone classes heroes.
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>>167545501
Shit taste detected
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>>167547854
>valeera
>alliance
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>>167548067
>Spamhearth at the enemy sylvanas
>Next teamfight starts with me getting hit by mind control, purifier beam and sulfuras smash
Pressing B repeatedly while rightclicking the floor should not hold this much power over people
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>>167548180
>gets cucked by thrall and has to give up the troll traditions
>gets cucked by garrosh
>does nothing as warchief
>blizzard kills him off so sylvanas can lead
there is nothing good about that guy
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so wait if you play as lucio and you wallride + pop your quested speed boost you hit 80% movement speed right
can you make that higher with buffs from other people?
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>>167548441

Only movement speed boost that stacks is wallride. Otherwise the highest boost is taken then further plus +20 from wall ride. That's it.
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>>167548437
Even as the warchief when you do the broken shore, Sylvanas was in charge then, Vol'jin couldn't do anything aside from dying to a low level felguard. Thrall had to be hit by 3 spaceship laser to just be taken down.
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I've been dead for a while, so I'm catching up on happenings with this game, and...
>Tassadar got a rework
Really? Tassadar?
Not Stitches?
Not Murky?
REALLY?
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>>167548553
>Otherwise the highest boost is taken
Does that mean you can speed up people that are mounted if you Amp or is mounted speed locked to 130%?
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>>167548742

They would go 1xx% speed regardless of mounted or not. Lucio's Amp on speed boost for example will make people go 145% in an area around Lucio for 3 seconds. Mounted or not, all heroes affected will go 145%. If Lucio wall rides during this, he goes 165%.
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>>167540585
>mfw the next hero won't be Rock 'n Roll Racing
>again
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I have 10k gold, should i buy Cho'Gall or Abathur
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>>167549151
Do you have anybody to play cho'gall with?
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>>167549151
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>Quick Match playing Azmo.
>Azmo on the other team goes meme laser push build.

This is why Azmo gets a bad name.
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>>167549217
Yes
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yo is it just me or does lucio look like some next level cancer
what the fuck
>always on healing in a giant aoe
>give everyone on your team hammer's thrusters for 4 seconds in a giant aoe
>imagine being dragged by a dehaka going at 160% movement speed
>completely negate burst heroics like pyroblast and disable wombo combos entirely
>phases through units constantly
>zipping around at 180% movespeed so you can't even fucking click him in teamfights
>attacks while moving
>basic attack is 3 hits so it shreds block and other number-of-hits-matters things
>better, permanent healing ward/stormwind banner
>cleanses his entire team every like 12 seconds
>if you somehow manage to catch him in the open he just knocks you back and fucks off
>mobile fucking earthquake with 10% more slow
>essentially grants his team +120% movespeed because he's also slowing your team the entire time
>at level 20 his slow literally doesnt turn off until the teamfight is over
W
H
A
T
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Anyone else feel like they completely forgot about Murky?
He's the only hero in the game with a normal Bribe talent. Everyone else has some sort of fancy Bribe+ talent, like Falstad's for example. Even TLV's Bribe is nonstandard, if only a little.
And, also, you know, he's absolute shit and getting powercreeped beyond measure etc. etc.
The Bribe thing really stuck out to me, though.
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do i need friends to enjoy this?
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>>167550030
You need friends to enjoy anything.
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>>167550030
You don't need friends to enjoy anything.

I'm anti-social and hate people. I had to block whispers and invites from non-battle.net friends just to get away from people asking if i want to group and shit.
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>>167549561
Yep.

He's Brightwing on steroids
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>People say Butcher is shit
>Butcher consistently shitstomps my stack
>Aside from the few times where it's a bad matchup for him or the player is dogshit
Are we Wood League or what? Seriously.
The hero is pretty fucking good.
Is it because we play QM with no-effort "pick whatever" comps or are we so fucking bad we can't grasp how to deal with him?
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>>167549561

>Heal radius is only like 6 units. Not that big.
>Amp it Up has 100 mana cost at level 1 and will probably have like a 24 second CD
>auto-attack is actually 4 bursts not 3

Finally, a fun support. Most of your complaints can't even apply in the same game, so whatever.
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>>167550336
brightwing has poly tho

>>167550596
>Heal radius is only like 6 units. Not that big.
isnt it the same size as tranquility?
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>>167550671

yes
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>>167550596
>units
speaking of which has anyone figured out exactly how big a "unit" is?
i see they're trying to roll that shit into the talents with stuff like "+20%" becoming "+1.1" but i have literally no grasp on how big 1 unit is
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>>167550815

Lunara's Q is one unit diameter. 6 range is Healing Ward area.

Here's what Boombox looks like.
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Do we know what Lucio's master skin + release skin will be?
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>>167551107

PTR tomorrow. We will soon know.
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>There are still people who take Cloak of Shadows.

What?
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>>167551135
Valeera's master skin was unusually... not shit. I hope Lucio's is good, too.
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>>167551237
>popping it right before you eat shit to a rag smash
>popping it right before you get moshed, then stunning the etc out of his mosh
>popping it right before you get slam dunked by a guillotine
>popping it right before you get hit by a pyroblast
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>>167550243
do you favor certain heroes due to this? trying to get an idea of who i should try to play as
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>>167551479
>She dies a second later because the rest of your team is standing around her laughing at how useless that was.
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>>167551107

Here's the radius on his Damage Ult

Looks alright. Fairly small.
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>>167551890
I can't imagine ever using Reverse Amp for the damage and not the mobile Earthquake. I mean slow.
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>>167551974

At 20 you can do both.
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>>167551768
I don't think it's related to that part of my personality ,but I do enjoy heroes that can clear/push/take mercs all on their own, because I find that people are so unreliable, even if they're playing something that can do any of those, they simply do not.

So my favorites are Rexxar, Gazlowe, Nazeebo, Ragnaros, Gul'dan, Dehaka, Xul. Stuff like that.
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>bullying Li Li

we need to STOP Lucio!
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>>167552530
whenever theres a lili on the enemy team i make it my goal to shit on that guy as much as possible by killing him first, ganking him nonstop, spamming hearthstones at him, etc
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How would he fit in the game ? I'm still wondering what they can do with aidan and the dark wanderer

>trait : active it to be in the wanderer state (enemies can't target you and you can't take part in fights, but you still soak xp)
>if deactivated, you can take part in fights, take damages, die... (needs something to not escape from fights too easily)

>Z - teleport to a location

>Q - burning rage - leave fire all around you for a few seconds like on D2 cinematics
>W - hell gate - open a door to hell permitting demons to appear and fight for you (5 or 6 max)
>E - nightmares - target an enemy hero to share your nightmares, corrupting his mind. The enemy hero cannot control his hero for 1 second, wandering in random directions
>R1 - Insanity - after a few seconds fighting the demon, you loose control of your body and open a hell gate, summoning a dozen of minions. Spirits run through, targeting and dealing a few damages to nearby enemies. Fire is spread all over the place and behind the demons summoned
>After X seconds, demons returns to hell
>see the first D2 cinematic
>R2 - Soulstone corruption - Passive
>darkness makes you stronger, granting you more life points, improving your basic attack damages and life regen.
>If you activate it, you modify all your abilities to diablo abilities.


a few ideas for talents :
>teleport (Z) and hearthstone summon demons on your location
>increase number of demons summoned by hell gate
>nightmares no longer make the enemy move in random directions
>burning rage target a bigger area around you

>R1 - uncontrolled madness
>You no longer control the power of terror. The hell gate stay open summoning a demon every X seconds and those doesn't return to hell when your madness end.

>R2 - Lord of Terror
>Activate it to turn yourself into diablo. If you die as Diablo, go back to your dark wanderer form, but you cannot use any skill during the cooldown of your death.
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>Tassadar literally cannot kill anyone unless they stand still and tank his storms
Is there a worse 1v1 hero than Tassadar at the moment? Even Murky has kill potential. Fuck, I've seen an Abathur solo kill a Sylvanas by digging up next to her and shitting on her with ranged bugs.

Yes I know Tassadar isn't supposed to 1v1 anybody. That's not the point.
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>>167552849
So take Archon. Somebody has to claim the title of worst 1v1 hero
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>>167552849
>I've seen an Abathur solo kill a Sylvanas by digging up next to her and shitting on her with ranged bugs
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>>167551107
>>167551107
>>167551135
I hope it's something nice or cool or unique like Hippityhop except something HotS-specific and not a copy of an Overwatch skin but given how Tracer's and Zarya's looks, it's just going to be Lucio with a Freddy hockey mask and spiky hockey armour probably.
I think Tracer's Master Skin looks extra stupid and doesn't fit her.
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>>167553090
I actually despise that fucking frog skin
And i normally love frogs
Hoping for a Warcraft-style bard-type skin personally, love me some magical music
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>>167480675
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>>167553378
What I'm wondering is what the skin they're going to sell with it is since a new hero comes with a new skin too, not just the Master Skin.
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>>167554248
>>167553090
The release skin is going to be dis-cio with an afro-puff and bellbottoms, who uses his magic platforms to stride past people when wallriding.
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>>167554248
what if the release skin is rock n roll racing and we never get the hero
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>quick match
>their (insert hero) has 9000 games, our (same hero) has 5
>their team is a 5 stack, we have a duo group and 3 randoms
>their team is all GM, ours is all gold
>they triple our kills, we never get the objective

This has been my experience in Quick Match this weekend, and pretty much for the past 2 years.

When does it end?
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>>167554916
dude its just five clown fiesta mode bro lmao dont take it seriously just have fun its just a game anyway i mean if you really want a real game play hl with real people lmao its just qm who cares lol
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>>167554916
QM should be removed.
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>enemy abathur picks monstrosity
>our team is too stupid to deal with it and gets so far behind where we can't kill it before it has 30 stacks
>we lose badly

Is there a worse feeling?
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How has your weekend been?

It's been rough for me, let me tell ya. None of these losses, not a single one, was a close game by any means. An absolute stompfest all day long.
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>>167554916
>buy Valeera
>their Valeera have master sking
>game end like this
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>>167507264
this is honestly not a bad idea.
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>>167555313
I wanted to see the siege valeera screenshot.
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>>167555664
What do you mean?
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>>167556119
There was a screenshot a few days ago that compared Valeeras and theirs had like 40k siege.
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Opinions?
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>>167556364
This one?
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>>167552849
>>167552956
Archon is the better talent and Archon can absolutely pulverize backline squishies right now
>>
Does the splash damage from Archon also hit the initial target?
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>>167542302
NEXT
>>
Nazeebo is actually really fun.

Like, I love both the Big Voodoo build AND the spider build.
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>>167556392
Valeera or the art, friend? I'm rather fond of both.

>>167555313
>name references hero
>hero portrait
>hero master skin
>their most played hero
>still awful

Feel sort of bad for these people, desu. They seem to really want to be good at the hero but often just...aren't.

excluding yasuo/riven players, of course
>>
>>167558446
Most likely not. You could test it in training mode
>>
>Some guy is obviously hacking
>His name is in korean
Every time. Why is it always koreans that hack and why the fuck I get matched against them on NA servers?
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>>167560401
>hacking

lmao what a sore loser
>>
>>167560401
I'd be curious to see. Only thing I've bumped into was what felt like a scripting Malfurion and it was just the once.
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>>167480675
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>>167560401
How do you hack in hots?
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PTR gonna drop today
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>>167562087
Only thing I'm looking forward to is a new in dev video.
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>>167562319
Come on Kerrigan cheerleader skin...
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>placed into plat 1 TL for whatever retarded reason
>playing with 2 gold buddies
>constantly get 2 bronze teammates
>they always feed

I don't get it. How is this considered good "matchmaking"?
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>>167562628
No one plays team league. So eventually they just throw people together. I've seen Master League people play against a Bronze people in that league.
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>>167561872
Maphack. It's the same engine as SC2 so it didn't take long for people to figure out how to do it.
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>>167562341
>her big zerg buttcheeks hanging below her skirt line
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>>167563084
t. valeera who thought he could stand behind the enemy team and not get spotted
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>>167563084
Hahahahahaha fucking pathetic.
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>>167560865
>Bestial Monster
>Trap
>Slut
>Futa
>Asexual Cyberman
>NTR Bait
>SS bait
>MGQ
>Horsecock
>Tentacle cocks
>Gets mind broken by a fat green cock
>Otaku who inexplicably gets super powers to fuck chicks
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J A I N A
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It's a person in the draft lobby says "I can't tank or support episode."
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>>167565182
IS HERE TO _______
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>>167566185
who did he end up feeding with
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>>167566185
>they insta-lock their most played assassin and proceed to feed out their ass
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>>167566440
>>167566459
VALEERA
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>>167566493
Melee Nova.

>>167562628
Team League is, like, actually dead. You'll see Silver Vs. Master players in there.
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>>167566624
>TL is dead because all 5 stacks would rather go play QM where they're guaranteed wins

So obviously the answer is to ban these pussies from QM so they're FORCED to fill out the TL queues. Ho ho HO!
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>bored
>check rebbit, see if any news
>see pic related
Well, then.

>>167566771
It's Quick Match, though.
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>>167566908
Played with a guy today that had 1358 games as Stitches.
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>>167567001
What a legend.
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>>167566908
oh yea i forgot its five clown fiesta mode bro fuck lmao who care
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>>167567847
Yeah, that's exactly what it is.

Have you tried the literal solo queue, where nobody is allowed to bring friends?
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>solo q Lunara in qm
>matched with 4 stack
>2 stealthers
>enemy has Zarya uther butcher combo
>4 stack keeps going on their tanks
>butcher gets free reins to charge me every single team fight
>"Lunara do damage"

Y tho
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>>167568007
The exact same fucking thing as QM, except you get to draft and ban. Don't kid yourself.
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On the note of QM, JUST got out of a game against a 5 stack with two GMs, a Master, and two Diamonds, of course one of them was Medivh.

>My team was composed of two plats, a silver, and two unranked
>We capitalized on their mistakes after struggling for the first 18 minutes, the silver and plats weren't bad players at all, or didn't seem it after the group up phase of the game started
>We win
>The enemy team immediately disbands and goes offline afterwards

Get ffffuucked. Shit shouldn't be allowed.
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>>167568659
>4-stack
Well, it sort of goes without saying that you would be blamed for something eventually.

>The Butcher
Did you not take Leaping Strike?

>>167568726
I don't see how you figure.
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>>167569116
how do you know that they disbanded and went offline lol
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>>167569223
On the score screen after the match, if you over over their name, it tells you their current status.
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>>167569223
On the score screen, if you hover over a player's name, it says their status and says "Not in a party" or "On a party with..." and it lists their party member's names unless they added someone to the group who was not in the game you just played, then it says "1/2/3/4 others". I checked afterwards to make sure it was a 5 stack, and as I was checking, their party name list went down, and they were listed as "Available: Not in party", and then they logged as I was looking, so it switched to "Offline".. This also works for people on your own team, so like if you play with a duo or triple queue, it's the exact same.
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I love Tracer
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>>167569359
>>167569451
kewl didn't know that
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>>167569161
>I don't see how you figure.

Games are lost for the stupidest mistakes in Ranked regardless of rank, exactly like QM games. Games are very often decided by who has the single worst player who will make the most mistakes, just like in QM. Rank means very very little in this game, as it's definitions of what is good are too broad, and speak little to the individual's skill, but rather how well that person can work with/around the team they are given to some extent, but mostly it comes down to drafting and banning, which is the only thing Ranked truly has over QM.

This "Five Clown Fiesta" bullshit everybody parrots is a load of shit, because Ranked comes down to the same variables QM does, but of course just a few less, as you can draft and ban in Ranked. But even that can't be entirely relied upon on in a lot of games because of shitty teammates who likely are not on the same "level of skill" as you. Just look at all the many complaints about how fucking dumb people are with their drafts, for any number of reasons. HL is simply an alternative to QM, in no way is it actually better or more meaningful.

I mean shit, >>167569116 says enough, where a premade group of high ranks plays against low ranks or unranked, and ultimately lose because of their bad decision making. Rank truly means little in this game, because the dumb shit that loses you games in QM or any low division is the same shit that causes you to lose high ranked games.
>>
>Bought the golden cock day 1
>It doesn't run, just struts

I don't know why I expected it to run, since chickens clearly don't run.
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>>167570168
I keep wondering why there's a yelling animation for it, as seen in the In Dev video, because I've never seen mine do that, unless a /mountspecial emote thing is something you'll be able to unlock via this new Loot system they're doing.
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>>167570221
New loot system?
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>>167570082
I'm not sure I'd even like to touch this one.
It's not about winning the (individual) game. It's about individual consistency.

>>167570293
https://youtu.be/wPk004vsjuE?t=3m22s

>Play
>Shop
>Loot
>Watch
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>>167570293
>>167570412
Oh, funny. I guess it doesn't allow that.

Just skip to 3:22
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>>167570412
If individual consistency is what you're looking for, the satisfaction of individual consistency and improvement are present in all modes, unless you specifically mean draft-wise. Which essentially comes down to just knowing which heroes are best/worst against which other heroes, or who is best at the objective.
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What a game to finish my promos
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Imagine being the only BBC in a team filled with top tier hot qt best grills
fuck i envy than nezeebo
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we lucio/morales soon
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just started playing again doing good so far i think

whats the best tanks/heals for the meta right now?
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>tfw take out 3 forts by myself
>retard team still manages to lose
ok
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>>167480334
where the fuck is Overwatch general?
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>>167571952


>>167538465
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>>167571915
Uh, basically what you're playing right now. Keep it up.

>Dehaka
>Artanis
>ETC
>Brightwing

Are the only others that really come to mind.
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>>167572460

ah thanks any websites for good builds?
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>>167573175
I'd suggest checking this out, if you haven't already.

>https://www.hotslogs.com/Sitewide/HeroAndMapStatistics

Filter by Diamond/Master then just take what you see with a grain of salt.

There is also the ocasional bit of useful information over on Icyveins, but again, take it with a grain of salt.
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This is where I start my climb, boys. From here on out I will play only Malfurion (In ranked). Until he's nerfed I might give up then if I think i'm sacrificing rank too hard just to play him.
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>Varian can Parry poison

wat
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>>167573339
In b4 Malf nerfs tomorrow.
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>>167573316

was looking at icy veins but their malf and diablo build look wrong like malf build was dmg/ulity no healer talents and diablo with no tank talents

thank you will look at that website
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>tab in to this thread that I've clicked on for some reason
>Oh, it's /owg/
>realize it's not
Really makes me think
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>>167573620
If you had as much of a hardon as I do you too would believe in fairies, love
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>>167549965
Uh, Nova has a normal Bribe talent.
I wish they combined it with her Decoy damage talent. Each time you bribe, Decoy starts dealing 5% more of your damage.
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>another nigger
>in a (medieval) fantasy game

Its more than in the entire game of WoW.
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>solo qm
>semi decent team mates and fun matches
>duo qm
>all team mates are suddenly absolutely retarded and result in us losing 75% of our matches

Can someone explain this to me?
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>>167574590
>in a (medieval) fantasy game
>Heroes of the Storm
Come again?
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>>167574628
Not sure if it's still this way, but it used to be that, if you duo or triple queue, you are more likely to be grouped with another duo or triple queue that has vastly differentiating MMR or general experience. For example, you and your friend could be matched with a guy who is level 40 with like 4k games played, and he's grouping with his new buddies who are level 22, or maybe they're 40 but only have like 350 games played, something like that.
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is ANYONE looking forward to lucio getting released?
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>>167575225
me
I actually like his personality and playstyle
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>>167575225
>is ANYONE looking forward to the first support in months to get released?
Yes. Junkrat when?
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>>167575225
Wubbernegro is pretty fun to play in OW if you like free movement. He's not especially engaging as a support outside of ulting and occasionally pressing E and existing, but he can fully focus on positioning and wobblewubbing in the enemies general vicinity.
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>>167575225
Zenyatta and Lucio are the only Supports I like to play in OW, so yes.

S76 when tho
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>>167575374
>junkrat
You mean muslim rocket junkrat I hope.
Or Yenzatta. Or Reinhardt.
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>>167480334
Kerrigan is a villain in this game right?
She's still in her pre-primal zerg form and is always on the villain side in the artworks.
I wonder why they didn't go with her primal zerg form though.
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http://rpboyer15.github.io/sounds-of-the-storm/vo/vo_bg/Map%20-%20Machines%20of%20War/Adjutant_Gravestomp00.mp3
what could these lines be for? i thought it was some alpha or beta thing but they even included it for the machines of war maps
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>>167575428
>Soldier 76
Raynor skin
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>>167575749
banishing a hero could maybe mean killing them and giving them a longer death timer?
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>>167574590
>Its more than in the entire game of WoW.
what are Dark Iron dwarves, Grimtotem tauren, Blackrock orcs, and black dragons
>>
>>167576136
And a whole bunch of black human characters.
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>>167575749

http://rpboyer15.github.io/sounds-of-the-storm/vo/vo_misc/misc_Default%20Announcer/Default_Gravestomp00.mp3
http://rpboyer15.github.io/sounds-of-the-storm/vo/vo_misc/misc_Default%20Announcer/Default_Gravestomp_Observer00.mp3

http://rpboyer15.github.io/sounds-of-the-storm/vo/vo_bg/Map%20-%20Battlefield%20of%20Eternity/0_Angel_Gravestomp00.mp3
http://rpboyer15.github.io/sounds-of-the-storm/vo/vo_bg/Map%20-%20Battlefield%20of%20Eternity/0_Angel_Gravestomp01.mp3
http://rpboyer15.github.io/sounds-of-the-storm/vo/vo_bg/Map%20-%20Battlefield%20of%20Eternity/0_Angel_Gravestomp_Observer00.mp3

http://rpboyer15.github.io/sounds-of-the-storm/vo/vo_bg/Map%20-%20Battlefield%20of%20Eternity/0_Demon_Gravestomp00.mp3
http://rpboyer15.github.io/sounds-of-the-storm/vo/vo_bg/Map%20-%20Battlefield%20of%20Eternity/0_Demon_Gravestomp01.mp3
http://rpboyer15.github.io/sounds-of-the-storm/vo/vo_bg/Map%20-%20Battlefield%20of%20Eternity/0_Demon_Gravestomp_Observer00.mp3

http://rpboyer15.github.io/sounds-of-the-storm/vo/vo_bg/Map%20-%20Blackhearts%20Bay/0_Blackheart_Gravestomp00.mp3
http://rpboyer15.github.io/sounds-of-the-storm/vo/vo_bg/Map%20-%20Blackhearts%20Bay/0_Blackheart_Gravestomp_Observer00.mp3

http://rpboyer15.github.io/sounds-of-the-storm/vo/vo_bg/Map%20-%20Cursed%20Hollow/0_RavenLord_Gravestomp00.mp3
http://rpboyer15.github.io/sounds-of-the-storm/vo/vo_bg/Map%20-%20Cursed%20Hollow/0_RavenLord_Gravestomp01.mp3
http://rpboyer15.github.io/sounds-of-the-storm/vo/vo_bg/Map%20-%20Cursed%20Hollow/0_RavenLord_Gravestomp_Observer00.mp3

http://rpboyer15.github.io/sounds-of-the-storm/vo/vo_bg/Map%20-%20Sky%20Temple/0_SnakeGod_Gravestomp00.mp3
http://rpboyer15.github.io/sounds-of-the-storm/vo/vo_bg/Map%20-%20Sky%20Temple/0_SnakeGod_Gravestomp01.mp3
http://rpboyer15.github.io/sounds-of-the-storm/vo/vo_bg/Map%20-%20Sky%20Temple/0_SnakeGod_Gravestomp_Observer00.mp3

those lines exist for every announcer

>>167576113
probably
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>>167576652
It's for when you can votekick people.
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>>167577657
and how would that work lol
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>>167577693
Initiate votekick on someone, if at least two other people agree, he's kicked. Simple stuff.
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>>167577657
>http://rpboyer15.github.io/sounds-of-the-storm/vo/vo_bg/Map%20-%20Cursed%20Hollow/0_RavenLord_Gravestomp00.mp3
is there a warcraft character who can banish people or something?
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>>167578084
Warlocks can banish their own demons. But nothing else really comes to mind.
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>>167529375
Closed what you get is a mix little of rogue T2 and recolors of it as rogue dungeon set
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>>167578160
weird
maybe it was a concept they originally came up with but canned but keep recording lines for in case they want to implement it at a later date?
it sounded so warcraft'y i totally would've bought it being a thing a warcraft hero could do but then again it's not like announcers have a line for auriel resurrecting anyone either
i guess we'll have to wait and see if this ever sees any use
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>>167577960
so you have a bot for the remaining time of the match?
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>>167578639
Sure. Would you rather have a suicide feeding Leoric, or a bot Leoric?
Would you rather have an afk laning Raynor never doing anything, or a bot that you can atleast ping to follow you into teamfights?
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>>167578738
Is there a difference?
>>
Why are people allowed to pick Colossus Smash in unranked/ranked

Multiclass is a disaster
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>>167578738
mmh I get what you're saying but blizzard would never implement something like this, also imagine being matched with a 4-man premade adn getting kicked because they want to mess with you
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>>167578940
>Quickmatch
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>>167578940
Hard to say. Lunara+Samuro+Artanis is a strong pubstomping lineup but they have a Chogall, and blue has a Valeera and a faggy looking Varian.

I'd say blue team because the Azmodan is going to do a better job of solo pushing lanes and camps than Samuro. Red team is going to waste so much time trying to keep up with all 3 lanes. I wouldn't be surprised if red team wins but blue team still has no excuse for losing past 10 minutes.
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>>167575225
Of course, he's super fun in OW.

And unlike in OW, he won't be mandatory.
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>>167579218
>And unlike in OW, he won't be mandatory.
Nice one, have a (You).
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>stukov got BLACKED by le techno nigger
can overwatch just fuck off already
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>>167579562
>Oh fuck it's finally time for the lesser known heroes to have their turn!
>Gets cucked by another cancerous move-while-attacking OW hero
t-thanks
>>
>>167578940
Blue team easily. It's Cho'Gall's worst possible map. Murkster will push their shit in.
>>
MVP system is the most retarded thing ever

>fucking garbo Nova
>sits in brush 24/7 only comes out for last hit
>never in lane
>never soaks ep
>never fight objectives
>MVP
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>>167580260
its literally just KDR my dude
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>love murlocs
>love stupid meme characters
>murky's the worst hero in the game
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>>167581552
Mrrrgl soon, fellow memester
>>
>>167581552
>>167581643
just play WoW, Murky's in Legion :^)
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>>167581687
MRRRGL
SHAMAN MURLOC
IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE HE DOES SILLY NOISES, BUT EVEN THRALL REVERES HIM AS AN ELDER SHAMAN XD
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>>167581643
>Grglmrgl never
>King Bagurgle never
>Captain Cookie never
>Rawrbrgle never
>We might get le funny murloc shaman from hearthstone though! Haha it's funny because he's a silly character but everyone takes him seriously!!!
>>
When you really think about it talents are genuinely superior to items. Instead of having a global set of items you have to take into consideration for every single hero you can pick and choose which items a hero will have access to and give them unique ones very easily.
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>>167582018
>tfw King Mrgl-Mrgl never
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>>167581552
>>167582018
I still want Old Murk-Eye in HotS
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>>167582018
>>167581897
>>167582251
>>167582264
we can't have a seriously-developed murloc like grglmrgl ramming a trident up thrall's ass because murlocs are joke characters and should only be played for goofs and laughs

be happy papa blizz lets you play as murky, the actual baby wearing a diaper that nobody gives a shit about

god its like you guys think that "joke" races can become serious and beloved
what? pandaren? be quiet, goy!
>>
>>167582359
i would return to wow just to play a murloc character honestly
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>>167582231
I've been saying this for awhile now. People are incredibly dismissive of HotS because it's not LoL or DOTA, and they see the talents as being dumb while items being extremely high skill.
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reminder that this piece of shit niggerfaggot hero was a murloc in dota 1

dota gets a nightmarish destruction beast that'll fuck you to death in seconds
we get murky
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>you will never be more than a fish
>you will never be more than a man
>death will never rise from the tide
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>>167582878
>dota gets a nightmarish destruction beast that'll fuck you to death in seconds
that's what Murky was before he got nerfed

>>167583013
I AM KING OF THE SEA
NOT A QUEEN LIKE AQUAMAN
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>>167583107
>you will never solokill assassins as murky ever again
i feel like they keep adding heroes with really fast attack speed just to spite people like me who still want to play murky
>>
>>167582853
It's because you're confined to what Blizzard wants that character to play like, unlike Dota where you can go for really unusual builds thanks to items.

What people forget is that you get insta-reported for daring to go against the meta, so that freedom means jackshit.
>>
>>167583220
the shield meta with murky looked so great
>>
Which crossover skins would you like to see?
We know from uther and azmo that they don't mean the characters won't show up, I'm just talking about stuff like mercy skin for morales or auriel, space marine stitches and all that
>>
>>167583750
Nemesis Nazeebo
Crypt Stalker Valla
Judgement Johanna
Scourgelord Xul
>>
>>167583750
Tirisfal Regalia Li-Ming
>>
>>167583750
Conqueror Johanna
>>
What mount do you think will be bundles with the new jamaican nignog
>>
>>167584630
Wubstep nigerian can't use mounts, it'd be stupid to bundle him with one. Did they release furry wolf gladiator with a mount?
>>
>>167584630
What skin does he even get?

Will any of his tints be white, like Jaina's, Li-Ming's and Chromie's skins have them brown?
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>>167584819
Yeah, Lucio can use mounts. Wallride is his trait, not his mount.

Has there been any specific mention of him not being able to mount? I haven't seen any myself.
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>>167584630
>>
when is PBE up, i want to know his skills
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>Raynor, Muradin, Sonya, Gazlowe, Rehgar, Jaina, Kharazim, Illidan, Zeratul & Zul'jin is in this free week
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>>167586687
And?
>>
https://twitter.com/BlizzHeroes/status/828632548242759680
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>>167586687
Sweet, I didn't get to play enough Zul'jin during the previous rotation.
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>>167586885
>5.30 pm
>later
why
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>>167579218
You are going to see him in every fucking game like in overwatch. His cancer will spread. Think of your favorite assassin or just any damage dealer.

Now imagine trying to escape them with Lucio giving them a speed boost.
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>>167586983
Is fucking 8 in cali bro.
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>>167586687
I'm gonna give axe
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>>167587028
Are you going to give them axe with zuljin or muradin?
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>>167587028
Hammer>Axe
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>>167587441
Yes.
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>>167586885
It's time
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>>167587019
Frikkin lazy americans. Europe is already done with day's work, while you fuckers haven't drank your morning coffee yet.
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>>167587821
Sucking muslim cock is not a day's work anon.
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>>167587707
I want this so bad. Someone wake me up from the nightmare.
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>win 3 games
>play 8 games
>play 8 games
>play 8 games
>win 3 games
>win 3 games
>play 8 games
This last week has been good
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>>167587849
Jokes on you, in eastern europe if you see a single nigger once in 2 years, you've got a diverse community :^ )
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>>167588404
Yeah, because eastern europe is such a shithole not even nigerian poorfags want to go there.
It's like bragging that if you're poor, you make a shit target for theft. No fucking shit, you're still operating your toasters with lemon and potato electricity. You have no room to be smug to anyone.
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Coming to think of it, this game has a severe lack of BBC
apart from lucio i don't think they are any at all holy shit i just realized blizzard is racist as fuck
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>>167588625
>he's never played Nazeebro
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>>167588625
>le BRRAAAAP AIYEE man of many frogs and spiders
Also Tyrael.
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>>167588759
le pepe man is tribal indian not a bbc
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>>167588836
He's a swamp dweller. There's nothing indian about the guy.
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>>167588836
>le pepe man
>He goes for toad build
Oh so you're retarded, why didn't you say so earlier.
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>>167588836
>indian

lmao this retard
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>>167588625
Lucio is a niglet though.
Dude is like 5 foot nothing.
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>>167589254
you just know where all his height went
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>>167588593
You have never been to Europe, nor have any idea how economy works, don't you?
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>>167588625
>if your game doesn't have the token nigger you are racist
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>>167588593
why is this faggot triggered
is this bait
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>tfw you lose in the loading screen
When will Blizzard fix QM matchmaking?
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>>167589583
did you post in the wrong general
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>>167588625
Tyrael and Nazeebo are both nigger.
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>>167589406
I am German. I deal with foreigners on a daily basis due to working in a major city. Whatever eastern shithole you are from, its economy absolutely blows, I can guarantee you that. That's why no illegal immigrants want to go there, you have no money left over for benefits.

>>167589529
To be triggered I'd have to care beyond writing a three line sentence telling someone he's stupid. But you'll always call people le mad for more replies, so have at it.
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>>167589736
>beeing proud about illegal immigrants

Stop posting please you make us look bad
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What is the best sylv build? Also how do i deal with valeera as sylv? She explodes me before i can ride my queef banshees away
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>>167590069
>how do i deal with valeera as sylv?

De-stealth her. She can't kill you even with your E down if she doesn't get to open with any of her stealth abilities.
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>>167590308
I can't see her though, i don't constantly strain my eyes and look for cloak shitters because its tedious as fuck
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>>167590412
Well then there's not much left to do other than git gud. The blur is clearly visible, maybe turn your graphics settings down some.

If Valeera is effectively permanently invisible to you, there's not much you can do outside of just guessing.
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>>167590032
I'm not proud of them, I'm arguing that going
>haha, we have no immigrants we GREAT
isn't really convincing when they're still a bigger shithole than first world countries.

>>167590069
Depends a bit, you have no real skillshot you can waste to uncloak Valeera.
Best advice might be her sprint talent, that one gives you unstoppable. Pop it right before you think she's gonna hit you and just keep away. Evasive Fire is your best bet in teamfights. Just be generally aware of her shimmer.
You really shouldn't try to 1v1 Valeera though, she's an assassin for a reason.

As for talents, pick according to your/enemy team composition and the map.

Stay away from Possession, it's shit. Barbed Shot for maps with lots of camps or PvE objects like BoE, Unstable Poison for nuking waves in a second.

Hands off Mind Control, it's generally a bad idea. Cold Embrace is pretty good if your team can focus your target. Stick to Fury/Bolt of the Storm depending on which you might need more. Deafening Blast is good, but only if they clump together. If you have a Zarya or an ETC setting you up, go for it.
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>Lunar Li-Ming can only be purchased through the 40 dollar bundle

What the fuck Blizz?
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>>167590608
They'll add her and Monkey Samuro each a week after this event ends.
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>>167590664
Monkey King is already available seperately. Li's skin is gonna be on tuesday
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>>167480334
>the one Overwatch hero I absolutely refuse to touch
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>>167590412
Then you're fucked.
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>>167590412
go to video settings and turn up brightness and gamma to max, it makes cloakers easily visible
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>>167588784
>>167589735
Tyrael isn't black.
He isn't anything, he's just some spirit wearing an armour but then again the armour is him.
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What do you boys think of Zul'jin?
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>>167591406
He is fun.
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>167591397
Reminder to ignore bait.
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>>167590980
even the voice actor looks like a smug asshole

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqSG-bUQo_g
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>>167591397
>Tyrael isn't black.
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>>167591662
Hey that's pretty good.
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>>167591801
Fanfic, not canon
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>167591907
Stop falling for his bait.
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>>167591801
>Fanfic

That is literally the potrait he has in D3, when he is in town in his human nigger form.
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>>167592083
Didn't he have that form because of the paladin from Diablo 2?
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>bronze 5 vs. GM who will win?
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>>167592212
>master assassin

I win.
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Could someone give me the skinny on how to Artanis for dummies?
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>>167592196
The heaven in Diablo universe is a hood and all abandoned niggers get kicked out when they start to hang up with white ppl (Nefalem) so they get mortal Niggerdins on earth. Tyrael (pronounced like tie in Tyrone) is also one. Imperius the boss hood nigger angel stole is immortality when he spend too muh time under white ppl. It was obvious even before D2 though because Tyreal grow up without father.
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>>167592212
I don't know what's worst Tychus talents or Valeeras talents.
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>>167592480
Realise that he's a bruiser with pull/hook utility and high damage. I tend to go this build (Played him a lot and mostly these talents tonight)

http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator/artanis#jxWS

The empty talent tiers are your choice (Blind for AA, Beam if no AA)

The only important thing to me is practice. I very quickly got good at max-range hooks. Also I feel as if people underestimate his damage and especially underestimate Amateur Opponent (other talents are mostly shit, block can be good though)
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>>167592480
build for hitting
prioritize hitting many times over hitting hard
hit enemies as much as possible to not die and kill them
practice memeswaps in bot matches for like 20 minutes

congrats you are now well on your way to master league
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Is Nova suppose to do shit all for damage?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KTsPR2oeSE
I don't get the last thing they showed
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>>167592969

>Love Goddess Tyrande
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>>167592943
Prior to level 7 and then level 16? Yes.
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>>167588625
That's a good thing, goyim. Don't try to act like your Jewish overseers.
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>can attack while moving
FUCK Overshill characters.
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>>167592969
>New Tyrande skin

The last thing is the same horse with a flame effect.
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>>167592969
>yet another non-serious skin
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>>167592969
>Master Lucio
It's ok.
>Reddit Ribbit
Oh great.
>Love Goddess Tyrande
Nice, now for the rework?

Also, that Amp It Up Healing seems like cancer for QM, it's like a teamwide Medic.
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>>167593221
yeah but is it a separate mount or did they update the old one?
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REAPER WHEN?
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>>167592969
>Another skin for Tyrande.

I don't know what to be more disappointed in.
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>>167592969
dissapointing except for tyrande's melons
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>>167593131
Every character can do that save for Tassadar.
The rest is just handholding on Blizz side so they're more accessible.
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>Another Tyrande skin

fucking stop
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>>167593370
I don't really understand orbwalking in hots. In league I was able to orbwalk kogmaw at 5 attack speed but I simply can't handle Tychus, is it that he has a shitty auto attack animation, the wind-up?
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>>167593332
>>167593418
haha faggots
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>>167592969
Lucio and Master Lucio look good

Makes it all the more disappointing that Tracer's model looks awful in HOTS
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>>167593281
That's Malthael you dumb cunt.

That's as dumb as saying "LORD WHEN?" while posting a picture of Baal.
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>>167544283
>azmodan gets gul'dan skin
>gul'dan gets put into game
??????????????
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>>167593759
open the picture anon
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Is it better to use my First Win on a level 4 or a level 1?
Trying to get the dudes I don't own to 5 before the new week.
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>>167593759
I don't care about more boring angels or diablo in general, they are boring. I was asking for my Reaper bro when?
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Which Blizz franchise is more dead, Starcraft or Diablo?
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GIVE ME THE PATCH NOTES AND NOBODY GETS HURT
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>>167594397
Starcraft by far
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>>167594397
Starcraft's story is done, and they came out and said that. So Starcraft sadly.
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>>167594429
Go hurt yourself, you have no power over me memefrog.
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what rank is "good" in this game?
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>>167594397
Both are equally dead but they throw new stuff for diablofags every now and then with the seasons.
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>>167594429
patch 4.4.2414.14.1242314526.1
arthas is still kill
added warcraft hero
added warcraft hero
added warcraft hero
added warcraft hero
new skins for heroes no one plays
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>>167594579
Bronze
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>>167594580
With how much Diablo 3 sold you know they'll eventually make a 4. Starcraft is pretty much just going to get DLC and nothing else.
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LUCIO NEXT WEEK FAGGOTS, I REPEAT LUCIO NEXT WEEK AND TYRANDE SKIN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KTsPR2oeSE
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>>167594705
>>167592969
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>>167594703
RTS genre is dead and can only be revived by Warcraft 4
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>>167593994
Literally does not matter. The bonus is fucking tiny too
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>>167594579
None because the MMR system doesn't work
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>>167583220
If it is 1v1 and you have the dream stacks and octo, you can still do it.

Just not in any other case.
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Are we sure that Lucio can attack while moving? He's standing still in like all of the In Dev video and it just looks like he's orb walking every other time
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>>167595350
He is attacking while moving in both reveal trailer and the in development video.
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>>167594949
I agree
>blizzard decides to make warcraft 4 and remaster the first 3 games
>they sell like hotcakes because of the huge fanbase warcraft has
>other companies start thinking "wait a sec maybe rts aren't totally ded" and they start making rts too
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>new hero
>master skin is shit
back to normal huh?
valeera's was a nice surprise i guess
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>>167594703
storyline in d3 was a fucking joke
blizz drones will buy anything
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>>167594397
How could this have happened to starcraft and diablo?

Starcraft use to be an epic space opera that had great characters in it, then it became a character piece filled to the brim with cringy comedy. Just look at the fucking hots sc maps, you think that jokey bullshit is just because it's a hots map? Nope.
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>>167596234
the only memorable thing in diablo 3 was that hilarious guy who put laid down the hilarious bantz as you were pulling up that catapult platform
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When lucio arrives in the nexus, which one of the best girls will get his BBC first?
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>>167596063
His master is alright. The shit part is the fact that $$ skin is literally just the master but with different helmet. Could've just made the frog his master skin. But they obviously had no other ideas + people want the meme frog skin, so why not take their money first day instead of making them grind it until lvl 10

also, "his master" get it, cause he's a nigger xdxdxd
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>>167596321
SCII died not because it was shit, it died because Blizz was intent on destroying any sort of private scene and tried to control every little thing that wanted to play Starcraft II.
Death of the community right there, in addition to the story going bonkers. Not that the story in 1 wasn't bonkers, but it was a different time and a huge part of it is my nostalgia, personally.

>>167596503
Tracer, Nova with Widowmaker skin and Zarya, in that order.
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>>167596503
hammer

>hover mode
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>>167596503
Nova canonically loves the BBC
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>>167596917
fuck off, nova is a pure unspoiled virgin
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anything about gold price changes on the ptr?
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>>167592969
Let's forget for a moment the shitfest that is the next patch and appreciate how beautiful Tyrande is.
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Is the servers down? Keep saying I have another installation in progress but I dont. Neither me or two friends can start/update the game
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>>167596917
>>167597028
What the fuck is this Jew shit
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>every single fucking game has Valeera in it

Come the fuck on already
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>>167597028
she was canonically raped
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>>167597028
>virgin
>the brainwashed dominion killer
She was mengsk's personal sex-toy.
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>25 minutes into the game.
>Kael: I'll Illidan to jump on.
>Kael walks into the middle of a lane and promptly blows up because the entire enemy team was there.
>Gaz is standing bot with his hand firmed planted inside his own ass.
>Zul'jin from safety pops Taz'Dingo from safety and instead of just walking away walks forward right into a spider jar and dies.
>Our Valeear stands in a vent and stays cloaked waiting for the right moment to do nothing.
>And I'm stuck trying to peel for these idiots as Varian.

That's how I knew I was done with Hots for today.
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>>167597595
>mfw play malfurion
>they have a valeera
Someone died many times, and it wasn't a hippie tree person
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>>167597670
Unsuccessfully, according to the wiki.
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>>167597886
>Playing Monk.
>Take Vision Ally.
>Valeeara keeps trying to sneak up on us, we just turn and blow her up.
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>All these people assblasted over Lució
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>>167597670
>canonically raped
What? That is my fetish, holy shit sauce sauce, nova is the hottest girl in hots, if she was canon raepd that will give me fap material for years
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>>167597224
She looks nice, but all the love-heart shit is awful.

Also I feel as if Tyrande can easily do without that shit floating behind her (on all skins)
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>>167597935
nah she was, the unsuccessful attempt was detailed in the book. but she was raped much earlier in her life
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BLUE OR RED?

PRO TIP: THE ONE THAT DIDN'T HAVE 2 STEALTHERS
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>Follow Through on Artanis no longer applies on every Dual Strike hit
Did they document this change?
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>>167598628
Are you talking about mind rape, I have limited knowledge on SC lore.
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>>167598870
But both have those?

>>167599004
It was before the swap change, that much I know.
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>>167598870
With even the bare minimum coordination, Red should have won.
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>>167593273
>>Reddit Ribbit
That skin is from Overwatch
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KTsPR2oeSE
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>>167599921
L O V E G O D E S S T Y R A N D E
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>>167599414
They did.
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>>167599921
check the fucking thread mongoloid
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>>167596917
TOSH'D
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>>167599903
I know, and only reddit loves it.
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Just had a game where a Medivh first pick on ToD died 14 times in HL. As our core went down we asked him why he picked Medivh.

"I dunno, he's fun"

He'd honestly have done more for our team if he stayed in raven form the entire match.

Oh yeah, he also picked The Master's Touch. After he'd already accrued five deaths.

When people pick specialists I realize I'm either going to win easily or lose horribly, no real in-between.
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>>167600372
I'd love to have Tosh as an anti-stealth specialist.
I want more tools to fuck these stupid cunts right up the arse, Tassadar is nice but it takes a while to get that stuff going, and taking Drones on certain characters really hampers their builds Raynor without Marksman is SHIT

>just skillshot them!
I do at every opportunity, but you cannot always catch them, there's an increasing amount of "le unrevealable assassin XD" going on that I dislike very much, and sometimes you're simply distracted in a teamfight.
More innate reveals or perhaps a character that passively can see stealth and knock 'em around would be great, just to punish these pubstars.
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This guy rollerskates into your backline and slows your supportfu for 45%, what do?
Keep in mind that he took the talent at 20 to slow her indefinitely, can boop her further into his team and can dodge roots and slows at will while moving at faster than mounted speed.
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How come every single Tyrande skin is amazing
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>>167601838
Stun him, kill him, laugh at him for picking a useless little shit.
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>>167601838
stun lock him with BHC and let my team destoy him.
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>>167601838
>5'3"
LOL
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>>167601659
While having him as dedicated anti-stealth would be nice, I'd settle for any specter in general. All those skin variants in game, but no original one in game yet.
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>>167602105
Ahahah, OWfags are this pathetic.
>>
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>>167602581
It's be bloody great. You could give -2- stealth """""""waifus""""""" the BBC.
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http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20532383/for-azeroth-2-6-2017
We wowbabbies now
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>>167604054
this bbc/blackened thing is so cringey
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>>167604159
Jews lead to a new subculture of Western culture that primarily indulges in self deprecation, submission, and masochism.
Think numales, cucks, modern leftism, etc.
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>>167604159
Get out then, normie. No cucks allowed in here.
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>>167604441
>like le blackened xd
>not a cuck

l o l
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>>167571021
nice. What did u place?
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Is full-on spiders the best build for Nazeebo?
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>>167604095
>Here's a new hero not from Warcraft.
>Now go back to playing Warcraft heroes
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>>167604513
Level 4 is the only questionable place for taking spiders, depending on if your team is good at team fights or not.
If your team is good at team fights, then take spiders.
If your team is shit at team fights and you're going to be solo a lot, you might as well take the double health/mana benefits since you're going to be hearthing or using your fountain a lot.
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ITS ANOTHER VALEERA GAME

WHY?!?!?!??!?!
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>>167604513
Just don't pick toads and your pretty good with Naz. I like to go a hybrid of wall and spiders.
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>ranked
>pick anub
>enemy team picks morales
>cocoon her every teamfight
>easiest win of my life
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>>167592969
>That Tyrande skin
I need that right now!
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>>167594687
Bronze 5
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>>167500482
Wouldn't she just be a following 2 piece
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>>167594579
Diamond 2
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>>167604513
Spiders and building for Wall are both viable. Like the other guy said, just never fucking go Toads.
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>>167594579
There is no "Good" rank, as it says little about your personal skill, but rather how well you know counters in this game.
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>>167602105
>>167603000
>tfw he's still less of a manlet than Arthas and Uther
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Best Valeera counter?
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>>167604095
Great, why not that Flamesaber for HotS?
I want to be edgier!
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>want to duo with buddy
>get matched up with 3 bronze or silver placements
>enemy team has two masters and a diamond
>76 enemy favored

How does Blizzard explain this? Do they even give a fuck about this game anymore?
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>>167605483
Sentry bots
Air ally
Other Valeera
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>>167605483
Vision, Azmodan, anyone with good burst and suvivabilty, having two working eyes.
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>>167604618
>>167604628
>>167605275
How the hell do you get enough stacks of your passive for Vile Infection unless you just sit in lane all match and ignore your teammates and the objectives? Because that's the only way I've ever been able to do it.
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>>167605529
No one plays team league so they eventually just throw people together.
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>>167597224
>>167592969

Greek style Tyrande is my dream. I love how they added a little spiral to the end of her pony tail as well, this skin looks so great.
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>>167604480
But I'm the one cucking your waifu. Can't handle a black poster on 4chan? Go on, give me your REEEs and get outs, I know you want to.
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>>167598870
You need 4 stealthy
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>>167605662
Dead Rush at 7 helps a lot. I usually have near 170 stacks by the time 20 hits.

On my way to objectives if I'm walking by minions I'll just throw a quick jar of spiders and maybe a wall at them.
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>>167605791
>no addblock

lmao
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>>167605662
Pretty much. Which, to be honest, should be the case anyway. Contrary to popular belief, you shouldn't be fighting if there's nothing worth fighting over. But generally, yes, you rotate around and clear as many waves as you can, try not to spend too much time indulging your retarded team's need to be constantly skirmishing so you can actually scale way the fuck off the charts at 20.

But good luck with that, people are fucking dumb and end up dying just because they wanted to get in xDaxSickxGanksx despite diving someone who isn't even overextended. People are bad at this game.
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>>167605753
Can that skin get any better?
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>>167591662
>that Mei

CUTE
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>>167605662
Toads into creep waves.
Spiders are on a short enough cooldown to throw them at heroes who are in the middle of creep waves as well.
Zombies sometimes.

Unless you're on something like Blackheart's it's fairly easy, but that's also assuming your team knows the importance of damaging the creeps enough that they'll die during rotation.
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>>167605662
Vile Infection stacks are not difficult to hit unless you're getting fucked every time you show your face in a lane.
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>>167606191

Only if she got a new back animation with the skin
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>>167605506
budget cuts
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>>167591662
>Reaper's voice

So FUCKING good, goddammit, I love it every time.
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>>167606324
Ffffffuck that.
I need my edgy cat for my edgy angels.
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>>167606958
>>167606958
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>>167606191
the dress is see through
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