/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

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1st for Aurora 4x

>>167003965
Mostly thinking of early game, where you really have to optimize your ressources.

>>167004752
>/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General
That's okay, I guess.

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>>167004752
2nd for glorious Mrshann empire.

>>167004752
>/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General
I approve this.
It's a nice compromise between civ4xg and s4xg.

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Guys I need your help.
I am thinking about changing bonuses from governments.
>first they are less restricting, for example pacifists can't go into military governments but that its all
Bonuses are for governments not ethics and cross with each other aka Military Republic get Military and Democratic/Republic bonuses plus small flavor bonus(cheap army upkeep).

Republics/Democracies
>happiness
>cheap leaders -people government
>empire leaders capacity - anyone can lead
Oligarchy, elites and greed
>bonus credit minerals
>leader skill
>leader pool(more choice)
Autocracy/Dictatorship
>bonus core systems
>edict cost
>edict duration
So democracies are for smaller nations and have plenty of leaders, when autocracies are wide with less bullshit. Oligarchy is between but I am not sure about their bonuses.

Military, pretty simple more cheaper NAVY
>navy limits
>navy upkeep
>ship cost
Materialist, more research
>res speed
>research alternatives
>leader exp gain
Spiritualist aka spread fast and hard to subvert
>ethos divergence
>planet border extrusion
>less food consumption
Pacifists
>more core systems
>more food productions, peaceful agrarians
>happiness, happy hippie

Also generic governments could use some bonuses or they could just get stronger basic Rep/Oligarchy/Autocracy bonuses.

Any more feedback or help?
Or cute animal pictures - sadly it looks like I can't get both.

>>167005301
How would you even code that?

>>167005301
That sounds okay, but why is there a happiness bonus for democracy?
Only intellectuals benefit from these.

>>167004752
>>167004890
Is this the /4xg/ of R&I? Or maybe, is R&I here? Among us? He was the one who spammed Stellaris general and made that thread after all...

>>167005954
Who the fuck is R&I?

And no, >>167004890 is just a shit thread made by some autist out of spite. This is the real thread.

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>>167005443
Just changing government proprieties in government file.
Easy but because of my low skill it take time.

>>167005651
Its easier to rally people against big bad ruler and its easier to take your bad feelings against him.
On the other hand who do you blame in democracy? Your fellow citizens?

>>167005880
Well I try to change that. We will see how its go.

>>167006054
>Its easier to rally people against big bad ruler and its easier to take your bad feelings against him.
I dunno, what just happened in the US make me think that democratic republic maybe should have other bonuses than happiness.

>>167006016
>Who the fuck is R&I?
Are you new lad

>>167004890 got bumped again
>number of posters hasn't gone up
LOL

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>>167006116
Well so what you propose?
Also because government can change in peaceful way in USA you didn't see revolution or uprising.
Imagine if Obama was a ruler for life and Hilary his designated heir(or something).
People can vote and even if its mostly illusion of choice it keeps some happy. Or at last not angry enough to start revolution.
Autocracies get +core systems Wide
Democracies get bonus happiness Tall

>>167006465
I don't understand but that's a cute cat you have here.

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>>167006607
Well just for you.

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>>167006054
holy shit where did that guy go

>>167006731
Fucking adorable.

So yeah, back on topic, democracies just get bonus points for being, well, democracies. I get it.

I just naturally assumed that they were like Communists democracy, where you can vote freely but there's only one choice.

>>167006116
America is still functioning because it's a democracy. If Trump was dictator for life, and we were developing life extension drugs so quickly that we were looking forward to another 100 years of this shit, there would be a civil war.

Democracy doesn't make people 'happy', but it makes people less likely to form factions, hence a mechanical happiness bonus. Democracy means you can (in principle) fix your government's problems merely by voting, so a happiness bonus makes a lot of sense.

>>167007154
>Democracy doesn't make people 'happy', but it makes people less likely to form factions
Ooooh... That kinda makes sense, since the most violent fighting I saw were on the Internet.

>>167006016
R&I is a notorious /gsg/ shitposter. He makes thread like 50 posts before the bump limit so he can use the same infopic and leave the same hypocritical first post of "Reminder to report and ignore shitposters".

He is also known for purging the /gsg/ infopic of things on purely arbitrary whims because he personally doesn't like the game. His very presence encourages shitposting in /gsg/ and he literally never gets banned despite pissing on the rules regularly.

Now never talk about him in this thread again because I don't want /gsg/ shitposting to come here too.

>>167007462
I never visited that cesspool enough to get acquainted, but he sounds like the other thread's OP.
>make thread too late
>accuses others of hijacking it
>bumps it
When his thread will be deleted, he'll come shitpost here.

>>167006881
Communism has devolved into a pseudo-religion even before a proper space age, so it could be classified as a theocratic form of government.

>>167007701
But I thought that communism was specifically anti-religion and pro-fedoratipping?

>>167007783
That's because traditional religions are a kind of competition. In order to establish a communist society, you have to change the moral principles of society in the same way that religion does, so you have to wipe out the old religions.

Western secularism is a materialist movement that usually seeks to replace spiritualism with utilitarian values. It is also incompatible with communism, which in the west has adopted a very spiritualist, anti-rationalist postmodernism.

>>167007783
it's anti-religion but it replaces objectively true religious values with objectively true communist values, the apocalypse with the mythical communist utopia, spiritual leaders with marxist visionaries etc
it also fights religion because of course it wants more believers for itself
basically it's a cult of fedora

>>167008196
That's pretty scary.

>>167007783
Think about Party(nomenclature) as priest caste.
They have exclusive rights to interpret Holy Scripture not some dirty peasant/worker.
It wasn't that at start and when Stalin was alive but after his death it turn into kind of caste system.
Rulers(High Nomenclature)
Priests(Party and Intellectuals)
Army and branches
Workers and Peasants

>>167008948
>still answering to himself
Just give up, buddy.

>>167007701
You could argue that's just a common trait of ideologically driven authoritarian governments.

>>167009106
How about we pretend the other thread doesn't exist?

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>>167008575
It even fits well into the vanilla governments. Stalinism relies heavily on 5 year plans (edicts), and ethics divergence is reduced via NKVD, which encourages conformity. The grand mausoleum could be thought of as a major gulag.

>>167009234
I can't. It's too hilarious. It's like watching a retard trying to play Alpha Centauri, it's a trainwreck.

Speaking of retards, when will DSP try Civilizations 6?

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>>167009317
>he didn't even know that they have a LENIN MAUSOLEUM
>they still have it but I can be wrong
It end when that pig Khrushchev abolish Stalin cult.

>>167009317
Mix collectivism with spiritualism.
>frontier commissars

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Jesus fucking christ. TWO BROKEN RINGWORLDS. FIFTY(50) ENGINEERING RESEARCH.

I think I've hit the motherload here god damn.

>>167009805
"Fuck you." - People who spawned without such luck.

Im legit going to file for a refund on Civ VI if they dont announce workshop for it soon. This is actual false advertising.

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>>167009805
Also I just uplifted these guys and in the process of uplifting them two of their existing ethos' upgraded to fanatic versions.

What is happening in this game.

>>167010520
>2246
>uplifting
You mean enlightening, right?

>>167010701
Yeah my bad.

>>167010520
>not going Ur-Quan on them

>Scientist gains the Paranoid trait
>Science vessel explodes
>Scientist dies
>All within the same second
Well I guess he was right.

In stellaris, if i terraform a planet does it then lose its 'traits'? for example; atmospheric hallucinogen

>>167009805
Eh. I get one and it's behind the FE now gone AE. Also, get Cybrex homeworld and surprise, it's next to my neighbor's capital. Little shyster.

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OK so there is my doing. You can mock me.
>>167005301
Bonuses from ethic or flavor one get doubled but from ideology not when you get upgraded version of government.
Pic related.

>>167011309
I terraformed a planet and it managed to maintain its stone age inhabitants. Its traits are safe.

Now how the fuck do you uplift these niggas? Is it when colonizing? Because I might've messed that up.

>>167011603
Species tab, there's an uplift button.

>>167007462

Ahh it seems like every gen has their designated autist fuck that just won leave

like the Tierqueer in wfg

>>167011738
Whoa, nice. Cheers.

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>>167010445
i know how u feel

Has there been any news on Bank's release date? I'm hesitant to start a new game, only for it to be yanked out from under my feet

>>167012298
April or March.

>>167011580
Has promise anon, keep it up.

>>167012369
I wonder if I should switch bonuses(x2 for upgraded Government version) from ethics to ideologies.

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>>167011580
All starting government.

>>167011738
What the heck, I can't see any pre-sentients on me species tab. Now I know there's at least 2 more races than the ones on me planet (which has a big button saying stone age primitives on it) but none of them show up on the tab.
Even loaded a save from a different game and they do show up with "pre-sentient" written right underneath the species name. What gives?

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>>167004752
so it's my first time playing the new Master of Orion and I seem to have found the titular Orion
approximately how much firepower would I need to take it? i'm somewhere in the mid game, not the strongest military but lots of cash thanks to diplomacy (I'm playing as humans)

https://twitter.com/Martin_Anward/status/826004080795451392

hmmm....

>>167013840
Stone Age primitives have a chance to become pops of Bronze Age primitives every so many years. It's such an arbitrary distinction that I'm convinced the devs couldn't decide on which system was better (stone age Pops or just a modifier that can spawn pops), then decided to just implement both systems.

The fuckers will always become Bronze Age after I've built a colony ship with the express purpose of building fucktons of Society research.

>>167014080
Pre-FTL civs being pops or planetary modifiers*

>>167014080
So what exactly determines a species pre-sentient? Assuming the others I found elsewhere made it to bronze age (ie, don't show up as P-S), these ones I'm certain haven't since I'm on the planet with them and they don't show up on the species tab as one thing or another.

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>>167013959
Hmmmmmm.....

>>167016882
Drydocks? Whatever it is its bloody ugly

In stellaris i got the AI uprising event, and now for idk over 15 years i've had spacestations and tiles blown up. When does it end? I quickly destroyed their bases

>page 10

>>167017912
Destroy the remains of their fleet.

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Dead thread.

>>167021502
there isnt anything close to my territory, so if theres one tiny fleet on the other side of the galaxy, i'll still get these shitty events?

>>167022927
You have to completely remove robot.

>>167022927
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocW3fBqPQkU

Just remove robot. Completely.

Why is Stellaris' early game so boring?

>>167026082
Space is fundamentally boring. It's just literally empty space. The only way to make it interesting is to interact with ayys, but for balance reason they decided to make spaceports have over 1000 power, so there isn't even a useful way to interact with them in the early game.

>>167026543
But the neutral aliens can make it interesting.
Even Sins of Solar Empire was more interesting, with neutral units.

How do you reckon they'll go about the "higher beings" mentioned in the mind over matter perk tree?
Think Spiritualists will get unbidden-lite allies or some shit?

>>167026818
Maybe you can get some spirit beings to be strike craft for your ships, just like you do with amoebas.

>>167027754
That sounds fun.

>>167026543
Are there mods that make spaceports weak? Are they fun?

>>167029937
Not really.
Combat in Stellaris like in all Paradox games is UNFUN and made for multiplayer purposes.

Is it just me or is the whole Endless series just tons of style and no substance?

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hey Stellarisfags, how would you stat up these filthy neutrals?I have no strong opinions on the matter

>>167031559
Spend no ethos points.

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>>167030967
Its well done, polished series which bore me completely and I can't play it.
On the other hand that shitty, half done and buggy Stellaris can force me to play 'one more tick'.
Dunno.

How does one become Strong Mane in Elder Kings?

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>declare war
>get this response
That's probably scarier than threatening to kick my ass (which she will). Cheeky twat.

>>167035569
By the by, how exactly do you "exploit" fleet AIs? Am about to use a bait fleet to jump to one of their sectors and blow up a few stations to try and drag the big 'un to my fortress sector whilst the main fleet either tries to help or goes back and rapes a few planets. Do they just follow the first fleet in their territory across sectors? Even if there's a 2nd bigger one in there?

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>tfw no feline race in stellaris

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>>167038516
here is your (you)

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>>167040042
too bulky

>>167040438
Use the dimporphism mod and make a race of female cat people.

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>>167042420
>female cat people

>>167043273
>nyanperioum
>not Impernyaa

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>>167035569
kek, I came into the thread to post the same thing.

>tfw fleet accidentally runs into a Dimensional Horror while deploying to attack the FE

>install preftl drive mod
>now all AI can't get past stone age, all empires i find are 'inferior' tech

anyone else having this problem using alphamod+preftl+population control+autobuild?

>>167030967
it is

>>167043964
The hell? Is this a Mass Effect spin off?

>>167043964
You're declaring war while hemorraging 160 EC a day with less that 1300 in the bank? Bold.

>>167049210
No. It is Stellaris. Being played by /got/reddit.

>>167007783
No it isn't, at least not Marxism
Marxism basically says Religion is the Opiate of the masses...but like everyone knows, you don't just take away the opium when you want to wean someone off. You need to get rid of his addiction, his 'need' for it first. The point of marxist theory regarding this is that religion fundamentally stems from scarcity and uncertainty, so you pray to someone more powerful than you to give you the things you lack and give these things in a more certain manner. Therefore, if scarcity and the income gap is abolished, then you don't lack things and you're not uncertain about your future anymore so religion 'naturally' withers away on its own.

Man the endless space early access works good for 50 turns and then I get hit with every bug in the game

>>167051867
Well it is currently in alpha. As it currently stands, it is amazing it isn't doing worse at least on my machine. I can actually just play through the error messages around turn 60+.

>>167052581
I was really suprised at well it held up, and then the voydani started three toning me every 30 seconds even though we just signed a peace agreement, and my government flipped to an ecologist dictatorship despite having no ecologist pops.

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>Cravers in ES2
Pic related and holy fucking shit.
Not even AI can cheat it's way through this bullshit, every time I see a Craver AI in the game it gets wrecked by uprisings same way I do.
Horatio AI has similar problems, but at least you can use that forced happiness law to mitigate the disaster that is fucking Dictatorship.
Cravers get no such luck. Having Dictatorship by default is bad enough, but having it together with Craver's innate happiness reduction on other races is just balls. Cravers should get an ability to sacrifice chosen pops for happiness or something.

>>167053897
Maybe dictatorship should be changed if its extremely hard to use

>>167053403
>>167053897
As it currently stands, dictatorships have a multiplier of 3 for the 'representatives not in senate' penalty. Devs are aware of it and gave out a fix you can do yourself or just alter the numbers.

Look for the post by WeaponizedCaffeine.
https://www.games2gether.com/endless-space-2/forum/65-general/thread/23394-huge-decimal-point-bug-approval-in-new-patch

>>167054129
I kinda like the idea behind dictatorship - it gives you more control over the political power in your empire, allowing you to enact powerful laws without paying an absurd pile of money promoting a certain party first. But you also have to accept responsibilities when things go wrong. And oh boy they go fucking wrong all the time. Any random event that changes your political affinity is like a stab in the gut.
It's made worse by the fact that you have to research a pretty late game tech to change your government and by lack of happiness buildings in the game.
In that screenshot I actually had fucking transwine in that system, which gives a huge boost to happiness, a transwine boosted system upgrade and it still wasn't enough.

>>167054652
Thanks m8, I'll try it out.

>>167054723
>Era 3 tech
>late game

I personally went with setting the multiplier to 1 and the penalty itself to 3 to balance out against the bonus of 2 for having representatives in senate.
It isn't as unbalanced as it sounds because you still are alienating anywhere from 1 to 5 other parties.

>>167054940
I could've sworn that tech was on T4. Are you sure you aren't mistaking it with the one that gives you colonial rights building? Or maybe I am. When it comes to approval stuff I remember T1 having supermarket, T2 having nothing, T3 having Colonial Rights and T4 having wellbeing foundation and government changes.
Eh, whatever, tech tree is all sorts of fucked right now (mostly due to not having enough techs), I'm sure they'll fix it eventually.
Despite my bitching I'm really happy with how far this game progressed, it looked like total shit when I first played the alpha.

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>federation goes to war
>I suddenly notice I have control of a small portion of my ally's fleet'
Is this supposed to happen?

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>>167055218
I hope the make the supermarket a bit more. +20 approval is good, but I wish it was something like +20 approval, -15% over population penalty or +5 per colonized planet or something.

>>167056046
It's ok for a T1 happiness building, the only problem is having so few of the fuckers in the tech tree, an spaced so weirdly too.

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>>167056046
I just realized you cannot see my mouse in that screenshot.

>>167056301
Yeah, 2/3s of all the approval you'll get in a system is by dice rolls via luxury resources.

>>167055926
The stars icon means that's the federation fleet

>>167055926
>plumage

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>>167043463
But that fits way less with the phonetic structure. "im" is the core vowel of the syllable followed by a nasal sound, which can then be mapped into catspeak by morphing the core into "nya", followed by a nasal "n", like in the original structure.

Mapping "ium" to "nyaa" fits less because you're transforming a diphthong into a monophthong, and then dropping the nasal by instead lengthening that vowel. I guess it would work if you map "ium" to "nyan", and then pronounce the y more like a vowel (ni-an) instead of the usual (njan), but just "nyaa" is too far removed for my taste and imho doesn't really sound like a convincing feline dialect.

>>167060848
Source for the cute cat pic?

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>>167061028
Nekopara, the gold standard of visual novel technology.

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>>167061479
Superior cat technology.

>>167055926
I think 20% of each members naval capacity was combined into a federation fleet, under control of the president. So with large federations, it will take a long time before you get control of it again, but it also means that you will have control over a very large fleet. And I think you didn't have to pay the maintenance, which is pretty neat.

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>>167060848
>>167043463
>not Impurrium
You're both bad at cat puns.

>>167009805
Meanwhile the saga of ringworld billy continues
>gee billy, how come your mom lets you have THREE broken ringworlds
Ok I had to go to war for this one and it wasn't quite next door like the first two but it's still close enough I can grab it before even teching to battleships. And look at that engineering research hot damn.

>>167065236
"Purr" isn't Nipponese enough to be used as part of the core identity of an anime style empire. Sounds better for secondary puns.

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>>167065236
>settle synths on tomb world to make a research planet
>they find a vault and open in
>natives from before the nukes fell
>immediately start rioting due to 5% happiness from habitability
>instead of migrating off world to one of the 20 planets they'd be at 80% on they just keep rioting
>can't purge or resettle due to fanatic individualist
I am really glad I download the mod that lets me build this to terraform inhabited planets.

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>>167067026
Also I only just noticed this map mode, presumably from the STL starts mod I'm using, shows which FTL tech everyone has.

Grey is no FTL
Yellow is warp.
Red is hyperdrive
Blue is wormholes.
Purple is jump drives

Turns out most of the galaxy is made of warp races. I have no fucking clue how those two no FTL empires are bigger than single system empires, unbullied and still have no FTL

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>>167040042
I'm using those guys for my own Khajiit-inspired race.

Also I'm trying a game with only hyperlanes enabled and it's somewhat painful.

>>167031780
this
no ethos points, no racial points

>>167068402
Has to have slow learners at least.

>>167035831
By the way*

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Is the Social Programme's policy worth it?

I'm playing "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" Fanatic Individualist/Xenophile so that generally leaves me with Hyper-Entertainment Forums for the 15% happiness. My plan is to whack Social Programmes on because it's fluffy and also because I won't have to worry about the inevitable fluctuating ethics becoming too much of a problem if they're still happy.

But is leaving it on in the long run really worth the hefty chunk of energy and minerals it will take?

>>167067857
One of them may have had an advanced start, and also it's not too difficult to do a bit of nearby colonization during preftl era. Especially if you have spent 125 years of preftl time.

As for unbullied, I assume the AI doesn't factor in the ridiculous advantage of ftl over preftl when deciding whether to attack someone. Also, they might have defensive pacts that deter attackers.

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Kinda disappointing, but for those who don't know what arthropoids turn into with the Horizon Signal chain, here it is.

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>>167072501
>best arthropoid type
>disapointing

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>>167072565
t. Turk
Kamen Rider is easily the best.

>>167072501
So what happens if you start as Roach master race?

>>167072501
What do humanoids and mammals turn into?

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>>167072738
No clue, sorry.
>>167073230

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>AoW still forces you to quit once you eliminate the enemy

>>167069792
Gee I wonder if it depends on what your income is.

Anyone else feel like Economic victory is a bit too close and easily reachable in ES2? I win second game in a row with dosh without even focusing on it same way I'd do in EL, it just happens around the time I start working through T5 techs. Haven't got a chance to test out upgraded carriers due to it.

>>167077780
I think that just has to do with a lot of the fine tuning they still have to do. They probably just slapped a rough estimate up there

>start next to filthy xenophobes
>fucker declares on me pretty quick
>he has ~1k+ fleet, I have only 500
>hire admiral with the trait boosting sublight speed, bait him with 1 corvette
>follows me to my system
>fly past my spaceport
>follows me in, gets into a fight with spaceport
>loses some ships then retreats
>repeat and he falls for it again
>???
>profit
>end war by taking his home system
>the city of Paradox artificial ""intelligence""

>10 minutes from start
>some religious fleet spawns in my system
>btfos my fleet
>have to build new fleet
>send it to find the remnants of the religious terrorists
>fleet destroyed
>pirates appear
>destroy the rebuilded fleet(2 corvettes basically)
>blow up mining station
>no minerals for fleet
>no minerals for mining stations
Give me a break already. But at least all neighboring empires are friendly

What is the most accessible, and popular space 4X game?

>>167082365
stellaris

>>167082365
Master of Orion 2 or modern reboot.

>>167082365
Stellaris is very casual-friendly.

>>167082365
Endless Space 2 is pretty easy, and I like the way it does politics a lot more than Stellaris. Also no anti-fun mechanics like warscore and subsequent 10 year breaks between wars.
The game's in alpha though, it's still very unfinished.

>>167083561
Amazingly enough, it has branching faction quest lines for most factions.

did they remove gold upgrades for units in civ 6? like turning my archer into a musketman.

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Did they ever make Beyond Earth worth pirating?

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GOG is currently giving out an old gem that goes by the name of Constructor for free for the next ~24h

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Just made this clip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDKtl0P0mao
Seemed like the right place to post it since /rtsg/ and /wgg/ are in the OP.

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What do you guys think of Star Ruler 2? Is it worth a shot or are there better games?

>>167086553
I hear that it was too unorthodox and plenty of people shit about it.
>2nd hand opinion

>>167085646
I remember playing the sequel, Gang Wars or something like that. Pretty fun, too bad there was no skirmish/sandbox mode.


>>167086553
There was some good ideas that make it interesting, but alas, it is not fun.

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>>167090676
Yeah the original has some flaws like that too
You basically cant play on more than one map if you want to play sandbox mode and if you want to play the later maps you are forced to play against muiltple hard AI´s
I really hope that the HD remake, thats coming at the end of Febuaryhopefully for real this time, will fix that

>>167085583
Pirating, sure. The game is good for a few playthroughs, but it's puddle deep. Once you see everything it has to offer (and you'll do, very fast) it's not worth replaying.

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Dark matter soon lads. Not as OP as it first seems, they're restricted to your capital and ringworlds so you can't just spam em.

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>>167091762
Also these stations are great. Expensive as hell but they're actually useful as something other than a speedbump and can hold territory well.

Do you guys like civ VI?

>>167091762
>Robots with human names
Excellent taste.

>>167092486
>25k
>meanwhile mine is 130

>>167092917
The power of modding. I'm scared of what'll happen if the AI does one of its rare smart moves and builds a death lotus out of them.

>>167093113
The upkeep will kill it.

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See that there? It's a 19 Gaia on a 50% habit worlds game in my territory. Good news is, it's not holy. Bad news is, the red up there is a fallen fucker. They're enigmatic observer philes. It's 2220. Wat do?

>>167096092
>enigmatic observer
Settle the world, they'll only bother you if you start purging people. Probably the best FE to be next to since they'll ask you for a single pop at some point then be your adoring parent giving you random gifts sometimes till you inevitably kill them

>page 10
Come ON

>page 10

Why is this general so dead. I thought there would be more people for a general with so many games.

>>167100097
So did I.
Looks like even including RTS wasn't enough to keep us alive.

>>167100097
The usual. Not much new coming out, and most things worthy of discussion have already been discussed. The winter sale probably brought in a few new people, but that boost has more or less ran out.

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>>167100097
Wait until Banks hit.

>>167100097
Because the name implies Civilization, with a little bit of 4X tacked on.

I'm only interested in strategy games in general. I would've found this general easier, if instead of Civ (which I don't give a shit about) and 4X (which I only give a little shit about) it hinted towards the broader category of strategy games instead.

>>167096763
They're that nice? I've met one on a single game and told them no when they asked for a pop because it sounded a bit creepy and they disliked me the whole game but I don't think ever attacked me.
Guess I'll do the opposite this once. Cheers.

>>167100604
Unfortunately, last time we tried to go with "strategy 4x general", some autist went full apeshit, started spamming the general with "NOT 4X FUCK OFF", and then reported us to /gsg/ because "they're totally ripping us REEEEE".

>>167100604
Might be just me but I usually find this gen by ctrl+F'ing civ4 in the catalog. Just became a habit.

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>mfw I really like Supreme Commander
>but it bothers me how much attention I have to pay to the economic side
I don't like losing a promising game because I decided to make a second mass extractor before an energy plant.

>>167101503
Play Supreme Commander 2 then.

>>167100752
Because changing the name of the general without letting anybody know or even if it is okay with the people using is such a good idea and not an arrogant one.

>>167102415
Still mad about this? We all talked about it and agreed. You just arrived after the party and decided to be autistic about it.

>>167004752

>OP image

Rise of Nations 2 would have been incredible. RIP Big Huge Games.

>>167102870
Rise of Legends was pretty good.

Too bad it's not playable because
>lol patch server died and not compatible with recent OS

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>>167096092
Here's what my actual humans are up to. Pretty sure the mapgen is fixed to do this, but in any case it's pretty smart of the other empires to respect them.

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>can't send infiltrators to the world of a pre-FTL species that has hit the atomic age and have them cause a nuclear war

>>167100097
All the non-dead strategy games have their own generals.

>>167102415
>without letting anybody know
Everybody in the thread knew. Who else needs to be notified? The Federal Department of General Nomenclature?

>>167067026
People who would nuke themselves to death wouldn't seem to be particularly smart or reasonable.

>>167068085
Download Cybrxkhan's Assortment of Namelists for Stellaris. It comes with TES-inspired name-lists, including Khajiit.

So, I'll have to play a game of Civilization V without any of the expansions. I really like them and everything, but since I didn't want to force my friends to buy yet more shit to be able to play with them, I decided to just play the game vanilla.

How to deal with teh changes? I'm struggling most of all with gold generation, I simply don't know what to do without caravans and cargo ships.

>>167092486
What are those? NSC Fortresses thing?

>>167104035
>Purposely turning a perfectly viable world into a tomb world.

>>167108112
This mod
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=810929902

They're pretty fucking huge, I think mine have capped armor at 90%, an absolutely insane amount of hull and shielding, about as much firepower as 1/4 of my fleet cap would provide, 3 support modules so they can FTL trap, inhibit shields and inhibit fire rates all for the low low price of nearly 6k minerals.

Big investment for something that can't move but they actually hold ground like a big defensive fortress should. I built one at a hyperlane chokepoint one of my enemies had to use to get to me, it was winning the fight with half their 35k strength fleet destroyed before they emergency FTL'd out.

>>167108228
Every single player uplifts a species to be good at physics and good at living on tomb worlds. Nuclear apocalypse actually makes planets more valuable.

>>167015013
Basically pure RNG. You either get the Stone Age primitives modifier, a Bronze- or higher -Age empire, or Pre-Sentients.

There's an anomaly you can find that spawns pre-sentients on the planet, normally described as "something moves with a purpose..." and sometimes gives you things besides Pre-sentients.

It's pretty frustrating, because if you build your premise on finding and uplifting them you'll never find any.

Is Moo3 playable and fun with mods?

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HAK HAK HAK

>>167118178
FUCK OFF THIS GALAXYS FULL

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>>167118178
KURWA

>>167118178
Fuck off intergalactic nigger we're full
You can crash elsewhere if you want

>page 10 again
Seriously? Should we just give up on 4X?

So the last ES2 faction has to be ecologist right?

>>167120426
Probably

>>167120774
I'll miss that general if it does die. It's rare to be able to talk about strategies in general, be it Supreme Commander, Seven Kingdoms 2, Rise of Nations, Age of Empires 2, or the 4x like Civilizations, Call to Power, Alpha Centauri, Beyond Earth, Starships!, the Endless games...

Or at least it's difficult to talk about them without being harassed by "hey guise protoss are OP and Idra is sooo cool".

>>167120950
Maybe it's because we're talking about too many games?
Just see >>167114810 and >>167120765, they're both questions that could trigger an interesting discussion, but nobody knows, so nobody answers, and thus it dies.

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>>167121567
I haven't played a game in months but I still like to lurk this general. It's pretty comfy tbqh

>>167120765
One is supposed to be trees or something.

Fanatic Individualist/Xenophobe/Indirect Democracy or Individualist/Materialist/Xenophobe/Plutocratic Oligarchy?

>>167121903
I thought the unfallen are going to be pacifists. Also, the remaining faction should be new right? I don't see them brining anything from endless space or endless ledgend

>>167073314
My custom humans turned into horse-people. I think there's some randomization. It ruined my H:FY playthrough.

>>167122839
Did they add the Humans to ES2, or are we just rolling around without any this go?

>>167123559
>Did they add the Humans
How out of date are you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTbS8BEa1oI

>>167122691
Bump?

>>167123559
Humans and sophons basically rule out vaulters at launch.
Vodyani are kind of a mix between the dish lords and cultists.
Cravers rule out necriphages
lumarians are space roving clans
Space wild walkers is just humans or tree people
Tree people are going to be similar to drakes in gameplay
I really don't see the automatons, sowers, or ardent mages coming back

>>167124598
I am very out of date, hence why I asked. Last I saw was the Sophons, the Inquisition, and that leader trailer.

>>167125261
I only lightly played ES1, because it wasn't until fairly recently I actually had the time to devote to long-term games of it. I loved the Vaulters, though, shame they probably won't be there at launch.

>>167125261
The Harmony are also mentioned in a side quest. They're all destroyed.

>>167125984
Do you think we could see any minor faction become a major faction. I thought it would be cool until I realized all the minor factions in endless ledgend are pretty medival fantasy and wouldn't translate well.

>>167126086
I seriously doubt that.

>>167126292
At least my meme clone faction got in, with actually good spaceship designs this time. I'm actually surprised amplitude brought them back. Really like the gene splicing mechanic

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>>167126562
They just need to balance it so it isn't Hungry Hungry Horatio late game.

>>167126632
I figure all the balance and fine tuning is going to come later hopefully

Did anybody else notice a change in how sieging in ES2 works? It used to be manpower vs. manpower, but now it is something else and I can't quite figure out what.

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are you still fond me of me /civ4x/

>>167122691
Bump?

Should I just go for Collectivist/Fanatic Materialist?

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>>167130393
>me of me
>/civ4x/
stupid pig

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>>167130918
I got nervous pls don't bully.
>>167130843
Nothin beats Plutocratic Oligarchy

Any knowledge on when does Banks hits?

>>167132204
26 Feb

>>167131953
I'm just worried about opposing factions.

Fanatic Individualist/Xenophobe would let me avoid factions and enslave/purge aliens in my empire, but there may be better ways of doing that.

Any advice?

>>167004752
Anything of notice added to this game since release?

>>167133261
Did not mean to namefag as that

I'm gonna shit.

>>167133460
Aim well.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpWdV9a4jLQ
>sexiest music in ES2
>most crippled gameplay
I feel like some of the Craver's mechanics needed to be reworked for the new political and pop system. Having to manually segregate my Craver pops to be on separate planets from other dudes isn't very fun.

>>167133261
This.

How many patches?

>>167135684
You can just segregate them by system with starports once you get a system to level 2.

>>167137430
Yeah, I do that, usually sending away cravers themselves to get that population bonus from minors and conquered people. Still would be nice if cravers got some sort of unique ability that would let them eat an existing pop for extra happiness and food or something. Might work well with their theme. Considering that Horatio did get a tech that lets em turn any pop into Horatio I think something like this it might happen eventually.

>>167139676
Faction unique techs are planned, just not implemented right now.

>>167140012
Rather, I should say that faction unique techs that you can research are planned. There are a bunch that are quest rewards.

>>167140108
I hope they rework the positioning of ship hull techs too. It makes sense for someone like Horatio to have them in Empire segment, since they are basically made for dickwaving Horatio's aesthetic superiority, but for someone like Sophons it would feel better in science sector, or Trade sector for Lumeri.

>>167140856
Post it here then.
https://www.games2gether.com/endless-space-2/ideas/

>>167135684
The game could use some more options to deal with your pops...if stellaris can do it.

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Sasuga AI, frenchies.

>>167142263
>racism

>>167142263
>JUSTism
B-brendan?

>>167141981
But Stellaris can't do it.
Or, rather, different species in Stellaris are, functionally, almost totally indistinguishable from each other, such that there is no *point* in ever "dealing" with a certain population.
Purging and resettling is always and in all possible condition of things strictly worse than just leaving everyone you conquer to stew and bitch.

Question, in Stellaris, is it better to heed the tile bonuses, or just build whatever the fuck you need? I'm torn between building planets specifically for a single purpose and respecting every resource tile to the letter. I normally default to the latter, but I'm starting to doubt if that's the best thing to do.

>>167147031
Welcome to the only depth Stellaris has.

>>167147031
Depends on the situation. Tile bonus is better when you need everything, ignoring tile bonus is better when you need something specific. If you have a planet that goes heavy on one specific ressource, or has a good planet modifier on it like +25% minerals, it can definitely be worth it to ignore everything else (except food, obviously) and build only that ressource while stacking ressource modifiers on that planet (e.g. a planet filled with power plants and the capacity overload edict).

But I don't think that's worth doing on a planet that isn't already heavily skewed towars energy. The edict gives you 15% bonus production, and unless you already have really strong power plants, you will usually gain a higher profit from using the tile bonus instead, at least if it's +2.

However, an advantage of having everything together on one planet is that it's easier to control your gains from sectors that way. You can at best get 75% of minerals and Energy from your sectors, so if you have all your energy on a core planet, while putting research focused planets into your sectors, you will get a higher return (since research is not based on tax rate).

>>167147767
Sweet, thank you!

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>>167143942
I also remembered Brendan when I saw that Craver fucker to the south forward settle every planet near me. But I pulled through and this is what I saw when I bothered to explore near his capital. He was on my natural expansion on turn 3, spending next 20 turns attempting to take every planet around me until the whole thing escalated into a war (that he lost), but couldn't be bothered to colonise his own natural systems 80 turns in. Now I'm gonna swallow him with my thicc mafia-fish influence.
This is on Serious difficulty by the way. I wonder if I can work my way up to Endless difficulty before Alpha ends.

>>167149204
>I wonder if I can work my way up to Endless difficulty before Alpha ends.
If it's the case, I'll be sad for you. You'll have finished the game before it's done.

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>>167013857
>tfw spent the last two days playing MoO because sickness
>trying to undermine the leading race
>saw them go to war with another race
>now is my chance
>mobilized my fleet
>took 4 of their colonies by surprise
>this crippled them economically, making me by far the dominant race
>I achieved economic victory shortly after
>tfw I didn't even need to finish them off
this gives a new meaning to trade war

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>be fanatic pacifist
>Build a Utopia
>Every pop has at least 80% happiness
>Militaristic enemy empire that hates me (-200 opinion) blocks the only passage to the rest of the galaxy
>declare liberation war
>Every pop down to 40% happiness
>All my planets suddenly wish to secede

I mean, I knew they will be unhappy about it, but for some reason I underestimated how much of a difference it makes. The good thing is, the moment I win, they'll all be back to normal.

>>167135684
Dictatorship is broken rn

>>167013857
Once it is within sensor range you should be able to see the fleet power of the guardian...

>>167150621
They always adding new things, so I'm not worried.

>>167155967
What do you mean? Everything seems to be working as described.

>>167153405
Also, factions are useless to the point of being broken and no threat to anyone whatsoever

>>167132827
Bump.

>>167156406
It gives you ridiculous happiness penalties for pops that don't follow the ruling party. It's supposed to three times weaker, according to the devs themselves, it only happened because someone made a typo in the code or something.

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How would you guys like to change the combat system to make it more challenging/less boring in stellaris? Not taking into account any existing mods.

First of all there needs to be a system of supply lines with a throughput based on the diffrent starsystems in goes through and the range from closest supply base. For example a system that has massive asteroid belts because it had it's planets destroyed could have a lower supply throughput. Temporal or permanent supply bases could be built on any planet, moon, asteriod. Militairy stations should also function as supply bases.

>>167158843
>supply lines
>>>/hoi/
Tbh I like the fueling system in distant worlds, but I don't think it would work well with the current ship module system in stellaris.

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>>167158843
If star systems had certain logistical values based on what kind of star system it is. )How hazardous it is for example.) You could also limit the amount of ships that can engage effectively in that system. A sort of supply limit for a system with bigger fleets taking penalties.

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>Amplitude themselves refer to Lumeri as "Venetians"

>>167159134
I like AI War's approach where a logistical base just improves your speed.

>>167159123
I think the combat would be far better if it would be like HOI3 but with ships. The ai would be able to block certain systems and push through weak points in your defence.

>>167159134
>How hazardous it is
How would a star system could be hazardous apart from funny shit like having a black hole? Even then it would just restrict travel in a certain area. Space is big as fuck and there aren't marshes or forests like on land, there's nothing that limits throughput.

>>167159367
>How would a star system could be hazardous
Local life forms.
Automated AI.
Asteroids.
Anomalies.

I dunno, just watch Space 1999.

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>>167159202
I think the terraforming mechanic should be changed to suit this need. You should be able to build bases on all kinds of planets or asteroids. And slowly form them to more permanent bases or settlements if that would be beneficial in the future.

>>167159367
I know. I doesn't really need to be realistic but make wars in stellaris less boring.

>>167159418
Or a pirate presence, minefield, etc.

>>167159418
>Local life forms.
>Automated AI.
That's already in game, and you can just kill them which solves the problem permanently.
>Asteroids.
Actual asteroid belts are mostly empty space, you could safely pass our solar system's asteroid belt just going in a straight line. Even if there was one you could just like fly around it, space is 3D.
>Anomalies.
At worst you just FTL around it. Now that I think about it all currently available FTL methods do not require you to actually fly through a system, so what's inside doesn't even matter.

>>167159998
It doesn't need to be realistic because no one knows what space combat will be like. But now you just build a bigger doomstack than the ai and you crush his fleet. Or if you can't build a bigger doomstack you just avoid his doomstack and destroy his stations while his doomstack tries to catch up.

>>167160353
With the occasional useless military station with subspace snare in between any battles.

>>167160353
>>It doesn't need to be realistic because no one knows what space combat will be like.
Yes and then paradox will receive 100000000 complaints. Supply throughput belongs on earth, not in space.

>But now you just build a bigger doomstack than the ai and you crush his fleet. Or if you can't build a bigger doomstack you just avoid his doomstack and destroy his stations while his doomstack tries to catch up.
Civ used to be doomstacky and it worked out fine. This is still preferable to artificially forced mechanics to split up fleetballs.

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It's fun to play with economic victory turned off.

>>167159998
>Local life forms.
On a solar system level. I'm thinking of a modifier.
>Automated AI.
>That's already in game, and you can just kill them which solves the problem permanently.
Only military AI. What about passive AI, like the thing taking care of the Citadel in Mass Effect?

>>167160794
You hyperdrive in on the edge of the system, charge the jump, then hyperdrive out. You could have a giant space worm rave party going on in the system and it wouldn't change anything. Better yet, you just wormhole through only safe systems.

>>167160687
>Supply throughput belongs on earth, not in space.
No it does not.
Ships in space need ammo, spare parts and fuel. If they are in enemy space they need those things to be brought to them by transport/cargo ship and that ship has to travel to them, has to be build so you have to have enough shipyards to build them, refineries to make fuel etc.
So stuff like Supply throughput should be reflected in any decent space 4x game.

>>167161052
I meant supply throughput as in restrictions on the amount of stuff you can ship. Space is 99.9% empty space, the only limitation is how much freight space you have and enemy ships intercepting your shit. A system requiring you to resupply your ships would be great. Artificially limiting the amount of shit you can ship past a system isn't.

>>167161002
Colonizing or conquering the system may be difficult is another empire took it first and reprogrammed the local AI.

>>167160687
But supply lines which need to be defended could still be implemented if you're agianst supply limits on systems. But the game doesn't use the environment would't it be nice if you make suprise attacks with fleets hidden in gas giants, or if smaller ships have bonussus in dense asteroid fields.

>>167161052
Don't forget the food for the crews and troops onboard the ships.

>>167161328
>supply lines
Pretty much what I want, plus a ship class for carrying supplies to go with it.

>>167160794
>hmm, there are local life forms in this solar system
>therefore I can only fight with 50 ships rather than my entire fleet of 100
I agree that gameplay has priority over realism, but if it's too counterintuitive it's going to be too hard to swallow.

About supply: do you want actual literal supply ships, like in Aurora, or just a HOI system where a unit is "in supply" or "out of supply" based on range and being surrounded?

>>167161750
I don't think it needs to have a specific customizable ship class. To prevent more micro management you could just have a highlighted path from the nearest supply base to you fleet.

>>167162120
And in the fleet window you then could see wich supplies your fleet needs or possibly lacks.

>>167161275
>>167161328
>>167161750
>>167162120
>>167162006
That is why Aurora system is superior.

Each ship carries X fuel, Y ammo etc and you have to get that shit to them if you want your offensive to advance.

>>167162247
Just like Star Ruler.

>>167162120
I was thinking more along the lines of a support ship for resupplying you take along with your fleet so you can go out for a while without worrying about supply.

>>167162120
A ship class is easy. Even army transports get their own class, and nobody cares because the auto-generate does it all. The problem with micromanagement is 100% the activity of the ship itself. So either:

a) Supply ships go according to an AI system (which may or may not communicate its travel intentions to the player), meaning the player has to babysit something outside his control.

b) The player has to order these ships around manually.

With armies it's not a problem, since they're just right behind the fleet. Supply ships are a problem because it's assumed that they're going back and forth between the battlefield and your civilization.

>>167162329
I assume you mean Star Ruler 1..
I distinctly remember SR2 haviung some bullshit system with ammo appearing out of thin air and fuel not even being the issue..

>>167162442
You don't see a "2" in my post, do you?

>>167162343
Sword of the Stars had those. They're OK, but they don't do anything. You just put a tanker and a repair ship in your fleet, the end.

Reminder it's Black History month! Time to rev up a Kangz playthru in your favorite version of Civ.
Or are you racists?

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>>167160739

>>167162819
>implying I'm not already OOH SHAKAing it up

>>167162410
The game is already slow in the later stages. I think it would be better if it was presented more abtract. But this could work too.

>>167162624
I like the idea of actual supply lines better because then you have the ability to cut them and maybe defeat a bigger/stronger fleet.

>Early game in 4x
>expansion, wars, important decisions
>mid to late game
>constant micro managing and boring shit
how do we make mid to late game not shit

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>>167163216

>>167162819
>conquer the kong
>all their books and spears etc are contributing to 2/3 of my culture growth
>realize that by conquering them I became them

>>167163216
I find the real problem to be the game slowing down because there's too much shit for my computer to handle.

>>167163216
Introduce a 'sector' mechanic in which older settlements can be given to an AI system for automatic management, so that the player is always managing something that is roughly the same size and complexity no matter how much he expands.

Also it's important to design this properly instead of creating a clusterfuck with an awful AI at the center that actually makes things more difficult for the player.

>>167163216
>how do we make mid to late game not shit>>
Suck it up and stop being a little bitch.

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>>167163373
2real2spooky desu lad

>>167163559
Tbh stellaris sectors would be perfect if players could override the AI when necessary and excess resources go to you instead of disappearing into a black hole.

>>167163216
By making diplomacy more interesting but this would probably would need a decent trade system. Or a decent federation/ galactic UN system.

For example you could sent a diplomatic envoy to sign a trade deal or use your fleet to put pressure on smaller nations to make decisions in your favour. Or the possibility to use trade embargoes.

>>167163621
I don't the late game is that much fun because I've never had any trouble defeating an end game crisis only for the rest of the galaxy to forget you saved them 10 or 20 years later. Only the fallen empires are challenging but the ai cannot deploy his fleets in any reasonable way so it is still quite boring.

Maybe nations should be able to form a space UN which could be formed to a federal government like the galactic republic in star wars. This could result in huge civil wars over what kind of power this new federal government will have. Although it would just be another war in heaven.

>>167163768
Yeah what actually happens when I delete a sector that has 10,000 minerals stored up?

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>>167164498
They disappear into a black hole.

>>167166220
Hey, that's the anal girl.

>>167167615
Elaborate

>>167168934
On /d/, we talked about cute girls, and someone mentioned "the girl with an anal shirt".

>>167171220
>/d/
>the girl with an anal shirt".
I don't even want to know.

>>167171610
We were talking about spanking and then this was posted : >>>/d/7234909

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My 25% capacity navy is probably not going to cut it here huh. I'm not siding with either though. Fanatic individualists wouldn't bend their knee to anyone, they'd die before accepting servitude. I really hope one of the two big blobs in the west join me or this is going to be a short rebellion

>>167171884
NO DO NOT EVEN THINK THAT I WILL CLICK ON THAT LINK

...

Oh. That was not what I was expecting. At all.

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>>167171884
>spanking

Figures, her role is basically to be bullied each episode.

>>167172381
Now you're turning me on. What's the source, by the way? I don't know the anime.

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>>167172050
So one of the western powers joined up so far, and most surprisingly, the guys due south of me who have been in an on off state of war with me for over 100 years. Sadly almost everyone else has joined the xenophile empire in the north, with the the Lox'ungrak-va combine being the only big name yet to join a side, although some minor empires are still undeclared it's probably due to them being so irrelevant nobody has bothered to send them messages I am so fucked unless I can go full war economy and start spitting out ships fast. I was trying to build up for this ASAP hence the under strength navy but it fired off before I could get everything in gear properly

It's nice how an awakened ascendancy can bring people together though.

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>>167172586
Gabriel Dropout

>>167173306
What is it about?

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Looks like Impossible is my limit for now, this one is lost for sure.
My Sophon neighbour was the first AI I've seen actually take the influence annexation tech and he used it with great enthusiasm. It should be noted that AI on Hard and above gets fucking insane border growth due to income cheats they get, the only way to fight their ever encroaching borders is to either play Empire and do nothing but rush all influence buildings and techs, or simply kill them.
Since my Sophon friend started annexing one of my planets before I even finished researching my medium hulls and since I'm playing fucking Horatio, I didn't do that well in open fight that ensued. The first war was barely won, but now I don't think there's any reason to even start the second one, he's just gonna smash me with his technologically (and numerically) superior fleet.

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>>167173350
Angels who fail at being angelic and demons who fail at being demonic.

>>167172959
Wait, that means even once the battle is over, all the empires who joined the xenophiles will still be vassals to them, and they're probably the side that's going to win.... Yeah, you might be dead. Although Xenophiles tend to be less aggressive, right? So maybe they'll leave you in peace, but it won't really help your situation as long as they control half the galaxy.

War in Heaven sounds fun, never happened to me though.

>>167172959
Looks interesting.

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Does anyone else get super anxious with the era goals that the Guardians DLC for Endless Legend introduced?

I feel physical pain when I look at those, this is a feeling much worse than anything I ever experienced with someone beating me to a wonder in Civ V

to be human is to suffer

>>167174221
That's ES 2, right?

How are you enjoying it anon?

Been waiting to jump in on it with early access and all that, hopefully it's out soon

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>>167172959
>>167174789
>>167175112
I'm hoping a pair of these will help. At 10k fleet strength each and an initial volley that oneshots battleships they're easily a match for the AE titans. Although they're fucking expensive so if I ever lose one I get set back a full year of resource collection and production time. And yes those are giga cannons in L slots, one of the mods i'm using drops them a size class to make room for titan strength weapons, eventually, I'm not that far up the tech tree yet.

The problem is that all is fair with modding so their AI vassals will use these too if they've actually researched them. Maybe less of a problem given that the league of non-aligned planets is a federation so my tech is shared with everyone in the form of federation ships.

>>167175289
Yeah, they frustrated me a lot too. Especially the Wonders. At least in Civ wonders are somewhat situational, in EL there's literally no situation where you wouldn't want a wonder, since they simply give you huge yield boosts. Oh, and whether you get them or not depends purely on how lucky you were with resources in your areas. I'm still salty there's no strategic start option of some sorts in EL, the difference between a good start (2 life trees lel) and a bad start (tundra and emeralds, enjoy the game bruh) is gigantic.

>>167175740
What mods do you use?

>>167175850
I'm not frustrated, just really really anxious

>>167175592
Yeah, I'm enjoying it a lot. It feels like frenchies took some ideas from Stellaris with political system, but unlike autistic lazy fucking sw*des Amplitude did a great job with it.
The game is still in alpha, it's buggy as shit and a lot of stuff is still missing, but I'm having a lot of fun, it's a humongous step up from ES1.

>>167176070
That's good to hear

How's the soundtrack? The first Endless Space had a really good one

>>167176208
I like it a lot, I think factions might have specific themes now, if they didn't before