XCOM General - /xcg/

pistols are useful

>enemies with +3 HP from dark events
>faceless hunt mission right after
>its the haven without any mechs

oh boy I cant fucking wait

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Nth for important tip.
The very moment the AVATAR timer appears and it's counting down, you HAVE to infiltrate the black site no matter what.

Base infiltration is 16 days with no one assigned. Full squad is 28+ days. Boosting the infiltration will bring a full squad down to 19 days.

Legendary difficulty has 24 days total on the timer. Commander and lower has 28 days.

Be quick. Otherwise you'll be starting up a new campaign like myself.

>>166936870
Only if you have some pistol perks from the AWC
>getting fan fire as the first AWC perk
Damn son

>>166937081
Nah, the counter is pretty much independent from the missions, they just happened to fill the bar just then.

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>>166936684

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I dont care how many times I have to reload like a shitter to get this shot, I have to find out if you can execute the traitor before they turn into a faceless.

>>166937348
>the counter is pretty much independent from the missions, they just happened to fill the bar just then.
What?

>>166936394
I thought the geneva convention is only supposed to ban things that are ineffective anyway. Banning useful stuff sounds like just a pretext for suing war losers.

>>166937619
Given how faceless works in vanilla, hurting the hidden form will just do damage to the faceless for and activate it.

>>166937619
>reload to get a shot
you do realize that seeded rng means you'll always miss the same shot because you're rolling the same number every time, right?

>>166937803
Nothing ineffective about mines. Problem is that they stay effective long after the conflict is over.

>>166937807
Well thats a fucking downer

>>166937953
All you have to do is use a slightly different order in actions to get a different result. So even just moving somebody else before making that shot will change it to a different roll.

>>166937638
You were just unlucky

>>166937925
Right, I thought they restrict war crimes to stuff that's inhumane without being extra effective, like hollow point bullets. If they're banning legit effective weapons, which either side will use if push comes to shove, then it's just a way for winners to sue losers.

Picked up SWAT 4 on GOG and I am very pleased with how nice and accessible the sound files are. I'll go through these later and make some "Sir, you're in my spot." Voice packs.

>>166938264
>hollow points
>not effective

Silly anon.

>>166938264
>I thought they restrict war crimes to stuff that's inhumane without being extra effective
Meh, I'm sure that is their stated purpose, but no one actually believes that flamethrowers and napalm aren't effective weapons of war. It bans torture too. It's more virtue signaling than anything else and usually the only people held accountable are western nations.

>>166938509
Abiding the GenCon against countries that haven't even signed it, stupidity.

>>166938406
Well the idea is that it's more economically harmful if you wound the enemy soldiers rather than killing them.

>>166938184
>You were just unlucky
Did you not read what I said? Long War 2 1.1 patch notes states that Legendary difficulty has 24 days total on the AVATAR timer. Commander and lower has 28 days. Base Infiltration for the Black Site is 16 days without people. That's by default for everyone. Adding more people increases the time--for me it increased to 28 days because I was a full squad of magnetic/laser weapons and predator armor. If you're talking about the total time after I had chosen my operators then yes, that varies between each person who does a black site. But 16 days base infiltration is default for everyone, so depending on how many people you send, what equipment they bring, etc you're looking at about 6-8 days added on at the least assuming that you don't go full madman with only conventional stuff.
>stealth run it with 1 person
I didn't think of that till now. Still wouldn't have helped me since I had 7 days left till the timer finished and I didn't realize this magnificence till then. Unlucky about not realizing this sooner? Sure. But the facts still remain.

>>166938687
Hollowpoints are better at disabling hajis, then you can just tap again if no one's looking, otherwise it's mountains of paperwork. The regulations are moronic. Marines aren't even allowed to knife downed muds.

Help me fucking decide on which class to use for my LW2 playthrough

>>166939293
Forgot link: http://www.strawpoll.me/12227939

>>166939293
The commander is pretty fun, but I also like playing an ethereal mastermind too.

>>166939293
>>166939434
I don't understand the question

>>166938825
That's per block of progress. Dark events may increase it though.

>>166939676
The AVATAR timer has appeared. The AVATAR timer ONLY appears when all blocks are full.

>>166939840
Oh, so then it's a git gud issue.

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>>166940057
Petty.

So I guess it's a bad idea to remove mods mid playthrough?

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BF4 Ports When?

Yellow alert.

>extract VIP mission
>seemingly no enemies and no VIP icon either
>only extraction location icon
>reloading doesn't work

WTF?

>>166940903
Depends on the mod.

>>166941358
>Patrols behind your team
>Crits your waifu's ass
>*heh, nothing personal xcom

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>>166941115
More MGS ports when?

Hello everyone my name is anon and I save scum

>>166942003
Kys

>>166942003
hello anon

>>166941376
>can't extract

ayy lmao

the faceless dark event is actually good for you because you can build more meme beacons

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>>166937157

Time to own the place.

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>>166941115
BF1 ports when?

My game is bugged to where I'm on a VIP rescue/extract mission but there's no VIP or enemies.

I can't even extract my soldiers at the evac point, and reloading does nothing. Also, everything seems sped up and for some reason I see stats regarding stealth/detection on the upper right. WTF did I do?

>>166938931
>Marines aren't even allowed to knife downed muds.
Unnecessary. We aren't in Korea, and we're in no danger of running out of boolet. Any Marine who wants to knife a downed enemy instead of just shooting him is a savage and needs more discipline.

What the butt is up with the Workshop? Gaben trip over the goddamned server cables or something?

>>166944595
>Unnecessary. We aren't in Korea, and we're in no danger of running out of boolet. Any Marine who wants to knife a downed enemy instead of just shooting him is a savage and needs more discipline.
gtfo

>>166944845
Fuck you, neverserved. There's a reason that we have discipline and Haji does not.

>>166945043
There is absolutely nothing wrong with putting down the enemy, knife or bullet. It's only undisciplined if it's against current policy, there's nothing undisciplined about the act itself.

>Install Long War 2
>Deactivate all mods but my cosmetic shit
>Crashes when I open the black market
>crashes if I try to manually assign someone to the team

Why are video games so hard?

>>166942003
The first step to fixing your life is admitting that you have a problem. Tell us more, anon

>>166937907
I think that XCOM2 RNG is probably reseeded when you load a save. At least I'm pretty sure I've had things happen differently after loading a save.
XCOM1 had a completely deterministic RNG, though. It actually made savescumming easier in some ways. You could load a save and take the three shots you already hit, with the same outcomes, and then do an extra action to get a fresh result for the one shot you missed the last time.

>>166946693
>I think that XCOM2 RNG is probably reseeded when you load a save.
It isn't except in one area, which for some reason is hack rolls.

>>166946284
Because you like it that way, anon.

Delete everything and reinstall the game. Sometimes, the ghosts of dead rookies can infest your config files.

>>166946845
>Game is specifically designed to make savescumming hack results easy

>>166947535
>hack mech as the first action of the turn
>success
>mission is going fine
>game freezes on enemy turn
>have to quit and reload
>try to hack again as the first action
>hack percentages are now lower than before
>fail the hack

>>166946845
I'm pretty sure its reseeded if you make different moves anyway on the same save
, which is why Savescumming is so easy.

>>166938509
>western nations
>accountable
Has this ever actually happened?
You can't really enforce international law, anyway. The only time actual consequences come to effect is when one side has already lost the war. The warcrime trial is just for propaganda purposes. If the occupying army simply wanted someone dead, they could just SHOOT him.

Is it worth doing Alloy Plating in the Proving Grounds? Does it just grant a blanket improvement to all my ceramic plating or do I have to manufacture a bunch of new shit?

Kind of wish LW2 wasn't so vague about this sort of stuff.

Show me your multicam

>>166948501
>manufacture a bunch of new shit
This. You get one for completing the Proving Grounds project, and have to pay for the rest.

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>>166948547

>>166948265
>Has this ever actually happened?
Idk, there has been attempts to bring US soldiers to International courts a couple of times, but fortunately no one has been dumb enough to let that happen. We still don't use stuff like napalm anymore, and we at least pretend not to torture people.

>>166944595
You also aren't allowed to shoot downed enemies. You need to call it in, they dispatch an officer and medics to the scene, the officer needs to write a full report and the downed mud gets sent to whatever medical facilities you have on site.

>>166948729
>lightning
>trigger discipline
>3D
>resting the stock next to your armpit
>using one hand to aim a rifle
Bitch is asking for a bruise and going to miss.

>>166948619
Well that's garbage. Are there any must-build Proving Grounds projects (other than the obvious plasma nades and mandatory skulljack) or is it mostly pointless in the early game when you're still strapped for supplies?

I'm playing Long War 2 and I never seem to get any enemy corpses after fights, I'm not using explosives or anything. I've killed 2 or 3 squad leaders but I can't get a body so I can make the skulljacker, anybody else experience this? Saw nothing on the steam forum.

>>166949432
You can't get bodies from missions that require you to evac

>>166949432
Any mission you have to evac for isn't going to give corpses.
If "eliminate all hostiles" is part of the mission objective, you will get corpses.

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>like 6 months in
>advent are now rolling berserkers and heavy mecs when i only have basic lasers
>have no alloys/elerium at all to get predator and advanaced lasers
i think its time for a new campaign
also how do you guys get an effective amount of alien mats early game? barely found any

>>166949531

But they all require you to evac so how the fuck can I get them?

>>166949567
Buy the from the black market and render corpses.

>>166949602
Raids and base defense missions

>>166949667

Thanks, I've never had a defense mission come up and only one raid which didn't have any leaders in.

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Beagle found the Tweet Creator.

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>>166949880
>CROOKED Council

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>Resistance members rescue mission
>Everything is going to shit
>Manage to get to the final stretch with both VIPs and everyone barely alive
>Specialist and gunner covering a doorway while the others are out of LOS getting closer to extraction
>Last turn
>Specialist gets sectoid mindfucked and is disoriented
>Everyone is able to extract but the specialist is 3 tiles too short
>Put him in heavy cover hoping to save him on a later mission
>Gets shot and dies

I dont think Im cut out for commander, he was even my first officer too, RIP.

>hack an advent mec
>somehow this also gives me mind control of a viper that was standing next to it


lmfao i have no idea how a glitch like this happens but ill take it

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>>166949880

OK

My Sides are OUT

>>166950242
you have to go on for them

coilguns ignore armor?

What are the most important buildings to go for in LW2 early on?

>>166951438
GTS for officers

send help all my assaults keep dying

>>166951756
Use command to keep them alive.

>>166951628

At what point do you start considering building workshops and AWC and such? Workshops feels like it was a massive waste of time on my first campaign so fa, AWC is ok but it feels I've sunk too much into two buildings that don't really help hugely.

>>166952054
Workshop probably isn't worth it, but AWC means more perks and less wound time.

Is the Max Squad Size Fix mod not necessary anymore?

>>166952175

I might restart I'm maybe a few months in and it feels like I've blown my load on stupid things, which is a shame because I haven't had anyone die yet and I've got some pretty decent squads.

>>166945457
>It's only undisciplined if it's against current policy
Wrong. If your enemy is still kicking enough that you feel a need to "put him down", it's better to do it with a firearm. It's safer for the trooper in addition to being more touchy-feely U.N. humane.

Unless you're trying to avoid detection, there is no reason to risk getting in close enough to kill a downed enemy with a knife other than pure-D bloodlust.

>>166948885
There are also reasons for this. HUMINT being the primary one, plus the fact that any enemy that knows he faces execution is much less likely to surrender.

what is the best starting continent for enemy unkown

>>166952773
brasil

why is the tower mission even a thing

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Excuse me anon this tiny octopus needs your help.

Is there a mod to equip my doods with the same set of gear faster?

For example I can currently afford only ten magnetic weapons. Finding them and changing them over from squads and people then fucking about with mods, then doing the same with armour is frankly just an annoyance I could live without.

I'd just like a button that gives them all laser guns if I have them in my stock.
If you can tell me what mod that might be it will make tiny octopus really happy.

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>go on solo rescue op with rookie because lol second mission 3 day timer and shinobi is otherwise occupied
>stelf all the way up to the cell
>avoid FUCKING DRONES by one tile
>feelin good
>check to see if rook can make it to evac in one turn
>confirm escape route
>pop cell

>engineer VIP has 12 movement

Not Created Equally was a mistake.

>>166950242
all of my officers die
the people who aren't officers usually live

>>166954431
>this tiny octopus needs your help
go back to tumblr otherkin

>>166955049
Anon did you ever consider that the other anon was referring to the picture before your sperging or are you just permanently on overwatch?

>>166954431
That tiny octopus is going to grow up to be an illithid one day. Not gettin' mah help.

If you wanna cheat, just look up console commands.

>>166954431
find an unequipped mod

>>166954934
Rng demands sacrifice

>>166955238
>If you wanna cheat, just look up console commands.
meming or completely misunderstood what the old god was asking for?

>>166955583
I reread it, and it looks like he should just use the "remove weapons" functionality that was included in LW2. I might be dumb for not reading good, but he's even dumberer.

>>166955364
the worst part is it's extremely consistent
even if i attempt to savescum it still happens (yes I do fuck with the seed)

Double dosage of Bagles

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>>166955583
>>166955734
Just to clarify. I'm looking for a mod which let's me mass equip people. So rather than
>unequip all guns
>unequip all armour
>put armour and guns on soldiers x10

I want a button that mass equips predator armour and mag weapons (assuming I have x10 of both in my stocks)

I don't want free guns or anything I just want to not have to go through that process for every long war 2 mission.

>>166955997
>one is only 29 minutes

wew

>>166956109
Oh. I guess I'm the more dumberer one, then. Nothing I know of.

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>>166956109
I was going to say that such a mod doesn't make much sense because the weapon variety in LW leads to different loadouts every mission, but then I remembered that only applies to LW1..

Uhhh why the fuck arent the avatar facilities showing their individual progress blocks under the icon? And when i kill one i only remove one block from the avatar project

Reminder that invisible,inc. is a better game

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>Destroyer keeps outputting high-quality hairstyles
>gets so much positive feedback from the waifu baiting that he doesn't even bother with male soldiers anymore

>>166957319
>males getting any fashionable hairstyle or clothing
never ever

You guys might be able to help me with this.

>Long War 2
>Go to misson start
>Try to select units
>Gives me no menu and I now cannot do anything until I close the program

Anyone know what the problem could be?

>Africa start
>only 1 scientist mission ever
>not going to waste suplies on niggermarket when im already so far behind
>cant tech anything beter than basic lasers
shieldspammers and other armored faggots are out

gg

>game gets stuck on post-mission return to avenger
>delete config and revalidate to fix it
>happens again on the next mission

wew

>>166958723
>not going to waste suplies on niggermarket when im already so far behind

You fucked up

Did they change the avatar project in vanilla? The facilities are no longer accumulating blocks under the icon and destroying them only removes one maximum

Post dank image memes.

>>166959510
It's a visual bug introduced in the controller support patch, there's a fix on the workshop

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>>166955997

Not bad but needs MOAR

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>Sparks aren't useless anymore

Any reason for the increase squad size in lw2? What's the point in ever taking more than 6 dudes when even taking 6 is pushing the infil timer up and making the game harder

>>166960290
to enable larger squads with the intel boost, i guess

don't get to use it that often though

>Camera-Under-Avenger bug happens every single time after a solo operation

I know about the config file delete thing, but that only seems to stop it from happening once, and then it continues to occur next time.

Pretty annoying.
Guess I'll bring groups of two next time and see how it fairs.

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>Soldiers can graze even if the target has no dodge (In base XCOM 2, grazes were only possible if the target had dodge stat)

>>166960290
Havent found any use for it so far when you can cheese missions with a solo shinobi. Yeah its risky but commanders choice means i have like 10 of them and dont give a shit if i lose one here and there.

Honestly xcom fags need to stop with this stealth gorilla warfare shit. Og xcom was about throwing bodies at ayys and blowing everything up with rockets and guided balls

Are the DLCs worth it? I know Sons of Anarchy is just cosmetics (and horrible-looking ones at that) but what about Alien hunters and Shen's?

>>166960681

Maybe you could just not play the mod?

>2 new beagle
fucking finally

I really like LW2, but I hate all the item micromanagement. Feel like I spend more time in loadout screen than actually playing.

>>166959909

damn thanks, i thought i was going to lose to the timer for sure

of course the facility with 5 blocks is 3 regions away

>>166960290
When the mission says "Enemy Material," it's non-extract so you can get corpses. You should try to take big squads to acquire as much loot as possible.

>>166961380
>it's real
Your next mission will be flawless anon

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>>166960608
Because it's JLump, that's why. In EU/EW he'd stack ridiculous amounts of defense on units such that the AI for units that usually take cover - like Mutons - would break and they'd start just running out into the open and firing like rambo because with a passive +40 defense the AI is convinced it's in full cover.

You'd be a fool to think he wouldn't jump on a mechanic like dodge like a starving lion pouncing on a cow.

>>166960814
Please respond

>>166961916

I heard alien hunters sucks dick too and shens is ok but I've never tried any of them.

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>>166960814
Alien Hunters is some new mini-bosses (and a fun little story mission) plus some fun, unique weapons. They might not be your speed if you're a high speed low drag operators gonna operator /k/ommando though. Shen's has a really fun story mission and an entire new class of units that are basically MECs.

Like vanilla MECs they're fun but ultimately kind of inferior. They're prime ground for modding into something fun and useful though.

>>166949880
Trump 1
Beagleshitter 0

>even beagle shitting on timer bullshit

based

lw2 cucks btfo

>>166960814
Also be warned that is for some reason you want to use the Recruitable Advent mod, the Alien hunters breaks custom skins on the aliens.

>>166960608

Just turn it off, its complete trash no one wanted, and it objectively helps aliens much more than it does XCOM. You can lose missions instantly because your point blank assault rolls a graze.

>>166962960
>basing a mission on an all-or-nothing shot
sad, desu

lrn2riskmanagement

>>166963091

who the fuck are you quoting? assaults are complete trash if they cant guarantee kills at close range

>>166963091
Is there a guide to learn risk management?

>>166961846
I think one of my first ini tweaks is going to be to find out where all this bullshit grazing is coming from and reduce it to vanilla values.
I can understand getting grazing shots at a lithe creature like a Viper or even some ADVENT like the Stun Lancers, since they're supposed to be really mobile and shit.

I do not understand how the fuck a stationary turret, a stunned MEC, or a fucking zombie is dodging bullets and laser beams. It's just fucking stupid.

>>166963221
http://www.dummies.com/careers/project-management/how-to-develop-a-risk-management-strategy/

In case you haven't seen this yet.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=851424388

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the one troop that died was a medic specialist that stabilized the rest
may they be in a better place

>>166961489
make sure you get the mod that strips all mods from unused weapons, saves a lot of hassle

>>166963598
(S)He died so that others may live
His(Her) Name will be honored for all of eternity as they now keep vigilant watch over our actions. Vigilo Confido.

>>166948890
Not to mention having an Aimpoint shoved inside an ACOG

>>166962960
How to disable grazing?

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Can you disable the avatar project in Long War 2? I'm not really a fan of time limits in campaigns.

>>166964598
If you have Long War, you can turn it off in the options menu.

>>166964902
Is that just setting the band to 0%?

>>166965469
As I understand it, yes.

>>166941115
>Have the helmets no us support

I just want to light em up bby light em up.

Speaking of that is there a mod that works with lw to force select the class my custom characters are made.

tandem warheads is OP

these beagle videos sucked desu

the one before that was good though

>>166967848
Well alot of it is just him voicing his frustrations that many here have also stated for a while.
I changed the game to take away the shitty elements, he should probably do so himself if he wants this run to be of good quality to the end. How much the person playing is enjoying it is pretty proportional to how enjoyable it is to watch.

>>166968447
why do we even play this shit

>>166967848
Thought they were pretty good, you can tell he's pretty enthusiastic about XCOM again even if he has complaints about LW2. The missions themselves weren't terribly exciting, but that comes with the territory.

suddenly my troops cant jump through windows and vault over half cover
anyone knows whats going on?

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>>166966651
>tfw i want to buy xcom two but poorfag
is this suffering?

>>166968615
For me its because the good things it does add I absolutely love and the bad things you can just change to your exact specifications if you know what lines to look for or via supplemental mods on the Workshop.

>>166968615
>it's either flawless or shit /v/ mentality
No thanks

>>166968615
If LW2 wasn't as configurable as it is I would be pretty peeved about some of the shit wrong with it. But as it is stands I can just change what they fucked up myself so it goes down to mild annoyance instead of anger for me.

How's demolition now? Still afraid to try it because of how unreliable it always used to be, but Flush doesn't seem very useful without an overwatcher and I almost never use iron curtain on my gunners who took it

>>166968615
it's good but it has some glaring flaws

>>166969728
Demolition actually works and is fabulous. Take it, never look back.

>>166969728
Works always, which is pretty decent considering nades now don't
The demolished area is pretty small thou : it's no bunker buster

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>>166956930

Not a better game but it handled a timer system much better. Basically everything but the story was decent and it mainly needed more content or a stable modding community.

The XCOM equivalent would be that every 5-6 turns something bad happens. e.g. more reinforcements, turret activations etc. That steadily get progressively worse with each increment of 5 turns.
From the 30th turn onwards reinforcements would just pile on non stop.

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>get new mission
>rescure VIP from advent prison
>Its related to liberation stuff blah blah
oh nice i can actually get this shit goi-
>mission expiration: 2 days

Eat a bag of dicks lump

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What do I get here?
It's may 24th

>>166970745
AWC and I would have gotten it before Proving Ground or Resistance Comms.

Eckseegee consensus on the Beatdown mod: is it broken?

>>166970662
Solo that shit. If a scrub like me can almost do it with a fucking rookie, you shouldn't have a problem.

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>>166967848
>bagel spends all of Live and Impossible wishing for a waypoint system
>never uses it in LW2

Anyone got any gifs of the advent MECs?

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>>166972175
But he did just use it in EP4 tho

>>166970414
Invisible inc does have a resource system that complements the timer system, mainly with firewalls getting harder to break and power being scarce in the end. Ammo too.
Long war did make cooldown classes worse and resource classes, like medics and grenadiers, better, and with the yellow state thingy fucked up overwatch tactics even more, but you can still camp a spot endlessly pretty easily with a good setup, and you'd just create more standoff scenarios with your solution.

Is it possible and has anyone tried to mod sex into Xcom 2?

>>166972625
Obviously you would have to be more creative then just mo enemies.

>>166972175
Xcom2 has way better pathing since soldiers actively avoid shit on the ground

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I must be supremely unlucky because nearly all of these were grazed

Aight can someone explain to me what longwar2 did fuck up?

>>166972717
That's what we've been given
In theory I agree, in practice it won't work without pretty heavy changes to pod activation and scouting

>>166969057
Get the humble before it runs out
12 bucks hombre

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>>166971904
Boosted a small squad to 101%, but i wasn't counting on a double pod being right outside of the spawn, a 6 men tightly packed ADVENT patrol was 1 turn from flanking one of the troopers so i was forced to engage.

Couple of turns later 2 pods patroled into the fireteam, next turn Marcus gets mindcontroled and killed by an ADVENT goon and finally a dropship blew it's load of 4 friendly peacekeepers behind us.

RIP strayan assault Marcus, you should have nailed the fucking 89% on that goon.

>>166974163
You did not mention the estimated activity in >>166970662. That may have altered my opinion a bit.

>>166972625
>cooldown classes
what does this mean? like a class that is dependent on abilities that use a cooldown?

>Beagle hates the timer
>The cuck memes are true

Its not fair
I believed

>>166975029
wot

is he a cuckold?

>>166974761
Everything that doesn't rely on consumables to do his work, like grenadiers, medics and technicals instead do.

>>166975184
He fell for the no timers meme

I finally did it. Graze is off.

I'm free, Anons.

>>166975746
what if i were to tell you
i play by the timers, but would rather play without them

>>166975029
You're surprised that the man who can spend 50 turns overwatching doesn't like timers?

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>>166975746
Hating bad game design is a meme now that also makes you a cuckold?

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>>166976137
>shots actually do full damage
wow you must be a hacker man

>>166976163
>bad game design
What did he meme by this?

>>166976163
cuck replaced autist as the new "word that means i don't like this"

Any way of choosing the starting region in LW2 ?

>>166976259
>If you don't follow the same general strategy every mission you're met with a hard fail state
I'd love for you actually argue that its good game design. But considering you've said nothing but verbal garbage so far I don't think I will.

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No, advent sergeant, it's cool. I didn't want to hit you anyway.

>>166976373
I argue that it lends the feeling of an actual guerilla op, where you need to complete your objective before your enemy brings its ridiculously-superior firepower to bear against you. Since XCOM2 is a game where you are, in fact, in charge of a guerilla force, I'd say that a mechanic that makes the player think and act like a guerilla commander is excellent game design, no matter how much you don't like how the mechanic in question forces your hand.

Sometimes you don't get the best possible scenario. Welcome to being ISIS fighting America.

>>166966651
>not wanting to get your balls out of your momma's purse and get back into the fight

>>166976513
>I argue that it lends the feeling of an actual guerilla op, where you need to complete your objective before your enemy brings its ridiculously-superior firepower to bear against you.
so why not have them actually bring in their superior firepower in the form of overwhelming reinforcements rather than an instant mission fail.
if lump doesn't ape this from guerilla war he's simply a cuck tbqh

>>166976310
No, but it's not like it matters.

I usually end up starting in Siberia for whatever reason.

>>166976513
>where you need to complete your objective before your enemy brings its ridiculously-superior firepower to bear against you
Then actually force me to deal with their overwhelming force.

>>166976576
It matters for RP purposes, senpai.

>>166976373
As opposed to Inch forward overwatch every turn? A strat made worse by LW?
I'm not saying Timers are literally a godsend, but they fucking fit Xcam 2. It was a good design choice when making a guerilla ops game that'd there'ed be pressure, constant pressure where you're even more fucked over by numbers, skills, and resource

Xcom 2 with no timers is Xcom enemy within

Could they have done more? Sure. But flooding a map with enemies isn't the answer and would belay more frustration simply because the nature of RNG bullshit.

>timer runs out
>Fighters scramble and scrap the escape

At that point they are literally dead in the water with the way aliens work. Which is how it is

>>166975029
So if Beagle hates it then it's ok to play without them?

So not knowing what I was doing I made contact with another country early. I feel this has fucked me over somehow.

>>166948547
I only have a British MTP jacket, but I could show that to you if you'd like.

>>166976570
>>166976659
The result will be the same. You lose the ability to get away, due to Firebrand being driven from the AO by anti-air, and everybody dies.

You could always make a mod for it.

>>166976480
>chance to hit
>eh why is it so low let me look-
>tactical sense
>tactically shoot myself in the head and miss

>>166976770
I actually agree but I prefer it with True Concealment so its a little more sensical. And mainly so I can actually have the time for those long drawn out firefights while still not being able to just dick around. For example on my last mission I engaged most of the enemy force for some extra XP and Loot and even with True Concealment I was down to 3 turns left. Mind you this mainly applies to LW2 where the maps are huge and enemies are very numerous, in vanilla the game becomes so easy that the timer might as well not exist.

>>166976773
I hate to say it, because I learned so much from that Shitpostistan legend, but he kinda sucks at LW2. Maybe it's just because he hasn't had the time with it that the other guy I'm watching has, since he's not a developer, but he has made a lot of mistakes, and I'm eager to witness his reaction when they come back to bite him.

>>166976994
Well he did state hes playing mostly blind. I did the same, no looking at /xcg/ for the first trial run and I had to reset by mid game because of all my fuckups early on.

>>166976994
well he mentioned he's mostly playing blind, he went into it pretty burnt out compared to LW1. what's he been fucking up though?

>>166976513
>welcome to being ISIS fighting America
I know for sure the US wouldn't have a one turn response time, and I'm still skeptical as to how ADVENT somehow has a one turn response time even with their technology.

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>>166977095
>>166977096
Beaglemind

>>166963254
Well how do you miss shots against them? If you consider that half of the shots you crazed were actually misses, it doesn't seem so bad anymore.

I'm fairly certain graze band just substracts x% from the top of to hit roll, so if you have 110% to hit and 10% graze band, you won't graze. At least not until dodge is factored in, but that was in vanilla too and equally frustrating.

>>166977107
How much time passes in a turn?

Also Psionics nigga I aint got to explain shit

>>166977107
>one turn response time
You keep saying this, but it just isn't true. The lowest timer I have seen is eight turns.

That's eight turns from Firebrand flying its way into enemy territory to the point where they are pulling in assets to deny airspace. If you're talking about the reinforcement timer, then you're still wrong, because reinforcements don't drop in one turn after you break concealment. So, explain to me just exactly what the fuck you mean by "one turn response time".

>I know for sure the US wouldn't have a one turn response time
You'd be wrong. We're fast. Really, scarily fucking fast.

>>166977501
>we're fast
eh okay fair point
i just didn't really understand it logically
i was okay with it from a game balance perspective since i was able to deal with it

>>166976879
Doesn't work with infiltrations, since there is no reason for the firebrand to even be around. There is no point to have a forced exfil location on rescue missions either.

I consider true concealment canon for long war 2.

>>166977665
As an addendum, I do think that it would be really cool to be able to try to SERE your way out of an AO after Firebrand has to get the fuck out, but I don't see how that would be possible in the scope of an XCOM game.

I've been drinking. Bear with me.

>>166977868
Drunk man's words are a sober man's thoughts :^)

>>166977849
>Doesn't work with infiltrations, since there is no reason for the firebrand to even be around
The reason is, you need to leave, which is why I think it's really cool that the amount of time it takes for evac to arrive is dependent on how well you infiltrated in the first place. You're quiet, they aren't suspicious, it's easier for air support to pull you out. You're fast and loud, they're on alert, and it takes more time for Firebrand to finagle its way around AA and pull your ass out of the fire.

>There is no point to have a forced exfil location on rescue missions either.
I'm iffy on this. Any situation where a real-world rescue mission takes place, there is a favorable location set up for exfil days in advance. That said, plans change in the heat of the moment, and I would not be opposed to a mechanic that lets you change extraction location on missions like that with a delay to represent Firebrand having to move.

>>166977868
I think actually exfiltrating instead of being extracted could work; you'd have a set location on the map after firebrand has to bail and an exfiltration timer, with maybe a high chance of having to dump gear to blend in the populace and/or a chance to get wounded. So you'd still be penalised, but it wouldn't be a black/white lose condition anymore.

>>166978147
Yes, any op has a predetermined exfil location in the real world, but that doesn't apply to xcom where rescue ops are the only ones that do.

If the firebrand can make fast adjustments and get over on a moment's notice, why wouldn't you call it in when and where it's most convenient?

>>166978409
>If the firebrand can make fast adjustments and get over on a moment's notice, why wouldn't you call it in when and where it's most convenient?
Way I look at it is, on missions where you have to call in Firebrand for evac, the pilot is lurking just out of detection radius, ready to respond as quickly as possible. On rescue ops, the plan was made in advance and you gotta stick with it. I don't necessarily agree with that from a real-world standpoint but, as a game mechanic, it does make sense to me.

>>166978702
I would call it lazy design. It's clear that firebrand can get on site in a timely manner and it doesn't really matter where it sets down, so having the forced LZ mechanic on rescue missions is nothing but an annoyance. As an added irritation, you literally can't emercency evac on rescue missions if you find out you've bitten more than you can chew because firebrand is busy hovering on the other side of the map for no reason.

>use jammer to delay reinforcements for a turn
>two sets of reinforcements drop after
Did it delay a single reinforcement that stacked ontop of another that was called in?

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>>166976570
>>166976879
>>166977849
The only way i would see this constant feel of guerilla OP thing working with timers would be removing the fission mailed tied in with timers.

I imagine something like True Concealment but with shorter timers and reinforcements.

So the moment you break concealment, you have lets say 4 to 6 turns to do the objective and get the fuck out (in LW2).

Now the moment the timer runs out, you start getting reinforcements non stop, one after the other starting with the first responders as ADVENT troopers, then ADVENT troopers + Officers and then you get the idea all the way to calling aliens into your position.

The only way to make reinforcements a real "oh shit" moment would give them the ability to scamper + get a shot off, that would keep a very high flow of pressure while keeping the game in a sense of hurry.

Otherwise, reinforcements will always be free XP

>Very Light
>3 pods of 3-5 advent with one mech each
>2 pods of sneks
>all of them have +2-3 HP from dark event horse shit
>5 turn extraction
>8 turns to bumrush past all these enemies and hack a terminal

fuck you lump

My mission has 2 evacs.
Is this a bug or a feature?
What are the chances one of them doesn't work?

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>>166979362
ayy my screenshot

What's the best 5-man comp for Tower missions?

>>166979412
One of them is an advent trap. It's probably the closer one.

>>166979564
4 technicals and a grenadier with 4 flashbangs

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Mission lived up to its name with all the fucking mec spamming advent did.

>>166979137
>It's clear that firebrand can get on site in a timely manner
Not all missions are created equally. Rescue ops are dicey, in real life and XCOM. The enemy knows it is holding onto an HVT, and you might not have the best place to extract from. As opposed to something like destroying a relay or stealing some data, where the concern is simply getting out once the objective is complete.

>you literally can't emercency evac on rescue missions if you find out you've bitten more than you can chew because firebrand is busy hovering on the other side of the map for no reason
I have yet to encounter this, but I won't disallow the possibility. Every rescue mission I've attempted, the evac was fairly close to the target in question. Not Created Equally fucked me on one of them, but that was my fault for enabling it in the first place.

Like I said, though, not opposed to a mechanic that lets you change evac point with a delay on rescue ops. Would just make sense, to me.

>>166979253
That honestly sounds like a bug. You should report it.

>>166979362
I don't disagree with anything in this post. As far as I know, LW2 already features exponentially more difficult reinforcement ( or at least that's why I think the third reinfo of a mission spawned in a Sectoid and five rainbow ADVENT), but how do you express the fact that Firebrand has to fucking just GO as a game mechanic without a timer?

>>166979383
What was the ADVENT strength in the region? Sounds like more contact than a V-Light mission should have had.

>>166979564
>Tower mission
>five-man
Those are important. Bring everything you can reasonably bring, and take as long as you can reasonably take.

>>166979569
really?
If so, what happens when I go there?

>>166979829
Reinforcements on your ass.

>>166979764
>but how do you express the fact that Firebrand has to fucking just GO as a game mechanic without a timer?

Maybe adding 1 or 2 turns delay and moving the evac point relocating while losing the interceptors?

>>166979569
I don't buy it.

>>166979764
>Not all missions are created equally. Rescue ops are dicey, in real life and XCOM.
So the solution is to... have your transport hover in place for an extended period of time?
>As opposed to something like destroying a relay or stealing some data, where the concern is simply getting out once the objective is complete.
So, no difference to rescue missions then.

>I have yet to encounter this, but I won't disallow the possibility. Every rescue mission I've attempted, the evac was fairly close to the target in question.
Not relative to the target, relative to your squad. You cannot extract, to get out you WILL need to run to the other side of the map, towards the target and the LZ.

Currently I'm only doing rescue missions with meme compositions of 1-2 shinobi, because if you fuck up and your squad gets tied down in trench warfare, there is no way out. The risks far outweigh the rewards on those missions.

>>166979960
Then by all means, go test it.

>>166946845
Actually damage and crit chance are also reseeded every time you reload. Not sure why, but LW2 has bugged out so frequently I've been cucked out of my one shot kills.

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>>166979960
wasn't me
>>166980316
I went to the far one and it wasn't real.
It really was just a bug - and now two of my four soldiers are bleeding out.

>>166980469
I told you it was an ADVENT trap.

Is there any good reason for me to not just overwatch camp on extraction points until I actually have to evac?

>>166980614
Vanilla or Long War?

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Got a good feeling about this one

>>166980632
long war.
I've tried it and most of the time I can get through 1-3 squads of enemies being dropped on me, and eventually when I can't, it doesn't really matter because you can evac after taking your turn anyway, so there appears to be zero risk.

>>166980728
Reinforcements don't drop loot, and kill XP has been nerfed in favor of mission XP. There isn't much reason to hang around.

>>166980778
oh, that makes sense then.
It's still pretty satisfying to watch waves of advent get overwatched by the terrorists known as xcom straight off the plane though.
Or those spooky portals.

>>166980778
Can you scoop up their bodies and take them up into the ranger? materials so rare in LW2 that alone could make the tactic valid

>>166980883
If only. Far as I know, the only missions that get you bodies are Gatecrasher, supply raids, and troop column ambushes.

>>166978224
If you get cut off, you should have to do a second recovery mission with your soldiers still wounded and a new set of enemies out in the wilderness. This would make spending a long time fighting tough to deal with since you've spent a lot of resources (health, munitions) and now have to fight even more people before escaping successfully, but still viable.

>>166980923
Faceless spy missions too.

You know what I wanna know? Why the shit haven't Lump n' co. included the functionality to transfer resistance personnel between regions? So you get fifteen or sixteen guys in your starting territory, and you have two-or three in you second one after murdalizing some Faceless, why can't you move three or five guys from one territory to the other?

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>>166980721
Rather prophetic name. Guy got clipped by a yellow alert pack turning up on the last turn before we got the extraction point and popping him with a single crit.

>>166980941
I think there should be an exfiltration period after you get stranded behind enemy lines, and the exfiltration speed would depend on factors like squad size, equipment, ranks, officer, remaining health, advent strength and so forth. Then you'd get a result depending on what percentages you hit.

1) Avenger scan site (find the operatives and bring them home), exfil =>100%
2) Follow-up mission either in urban or wilderness, depending on how far you got (defend the LZ from waves of enemies), exfil <100% (enemy precence lessens towards 100%)
3) Failure, you all get captured and have to rescue the operatives later on, exfil <50%

Then of course you'd have the option to use intel to boost exfiltration speeds. This would lessen the impact of the mission timers; you'd still want to rush as much as possible to the LZ so that you get your operatives back immediately without extra risk, but missing the timer would no longer mean a complete squad wipe. I pulled the percentage numbers out of my ass. The point is that there needs to be consequences, in that you lose a lot of time and likely some intel, but the current system is too rigid and punishing.

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>>166980854
>The alien forced finally get to enjoy being fired on when exiting THEIR transport for a change.

Should have dropped a smoke grenade on the ramp bitches.

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Wakaliwood voice mod WHEN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEoGrbKAyKE

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smartass

>>166982807
>you will never see niggers running out of africa gunning down ayyliums and winning

>>166958723
Git gud.

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>>166983125
Oh, that is just precious.

>>166959132
If it's just getting stuck under the Avenger, you don't need to delete configs, just restart the game.

There's a fix but I'm not gonna spoonfeed you. search it.

>>166983449
>There's a fix but
I don't believe you. People have been reporting this bug continuously with no permanent solutions. I haven't gotten it yet which is fortunate but it makes me nervous.

Why the fuck do Intel missions have more enemies and reinforcements than shit like ambushing troop columns or supply raids? This feels like some cheap horse shit intended to make it so you're rushed into the objective and extract out when the 8 turn limit is already obnoxious enough.

>>166983660
The harder mission you are supposed to complete the objective and then bail, while the easier ones you stick around to slug it out. I mean, seems pretty logical to me.
The opposite way around actually makes less sense.

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Do I HAVE to take this now? I'm only in the start of my 2nd Month so I imagine I have some leeway on having another Liberation pop up.
Even if I do hit it that expiration time is going to make it a bloodbath and I only have 4 people available to throw at it.
I'd love to know what the fuck the people in the Haven are fucking doing when 6 of them are on Intel and this popped up with only 17 hours

>>166983859
Do not do that

>>166983304
>niggers
>winning
They haven't invented the wheel yet bro.

>>166983930
they haven't invented the wheel, but they will invent a new genocide

>>166983859
As critical as Liberations are that is actual suicide, especially if you're on Commander or Legend.
Pass it.

>>166983859
Even solo, you have no chance. Pass, and find something better to waste your men on.

>>166983859
>I'd love to know what the fuck the people in the Haven are fucking doing when 6 of them are on Intel and this popped up with only 17 hours
Also you probably have at least two Faceless in that region.

>>166983859
>Spoiler
I feel that, I really do. Half the time they'll find nothing but 6-10 hour expiration times and other times they'll find it THAT late.

>Advent Drones: A successful hack to stun a lone drone does not reveal your squad.

Huh. This may make risky hacks against solo drones a bit more viable of a risk to take.

>>166984065
How long does it fucking take for the Advisor to find them? Hes been on it immediately after Gatecrasher.

>>166983851
It doesn't make any sense that a troop column consists of like 12 dudes but hacking a resistance computer has a guard contigent of 21 aliens. Especially these really shit missions where the pods are all concentrated directly around the object you need to hack, then you have to stick it out 2-3 extra turns while your extraction comes in

>>166984123
Who is your Advisor? You need a soldier to find Faceless. An officer is better. A high-ranking officer is even better.

>>166984158
Like I said hes been there since Day 1 so hes just a Squaddie. I'll pull him out for now and put him in Officer Training them put him back in.

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So I guess there's just this random non-faceless civvie caught up in the hunt.

I'll blow him up anyway just to be safe

Also holy shit I'm just now realizing how fucking synergistic Electroshock is with Coup de Grace.

Kill ANYTHING.

>>166984208
>>166984158
Scratch that can't Officer Train Squaddies. I'll put one of my current Officers on it and level the other guy for the time being.

>>166954431
Go the fuck back to imgur

So are you expected to buy enough armor and weapons for your entire barracks each time you tech up? Because that sounds like it'd get really problematic after laser tier, unless you directly upgrade weapons into the next tier up?

>>166984248
always an alien sympathizer
do as you will,commander

>>166984550
I'd say that you're expected to buy enough for your A-team at the very least. Depending on your mission saturation, you may be able to switch gear around to the teams/units who need it most.

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>>166984274

Just bought Xcom 2
Never played the first one or this one, the only game on the genre I've played was Hard West

Should I play the game with Long War installed or would I just get my ass handed to me?
Are any of the DLC's decent to have or will I do completely fine without them?

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>>166984970
While I may personally despise Mike "the only good queer is a dead queer" Pence, you still made me giglm8.

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>>166948890
>>and going to miss.

Not today.

>>166984550
Yes but supplies snowbalk after a few liberated region

>>166985010
>despising the electrical-shock grandpa
how dare you anon

>>166984976

Play vanilla first, grab some cosmetic and quality of life mods if you feel like it, there's a list in the OP.

As for the DLCs, Anarchy's Children is just cosmetic stuff and Alien Ruler's is a "challenge DLC" so it's supposed to be pretty hard, you might want to not buy it for your first playthrough. Shen's last gift has a special mission that unlocks a new class, you might want that.

>>166985157
I don't like churchies, anon. I don't like authoritarians in general. Never have, never will. Probably why I enjoy murdering ADVENT so much.

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>tfw you cant take your new pet drone with you

>>166985437
>not throwing it in the bin with everything else created by advent

>>166985437
If you are playing LW2, there is a final level perk for specialists that lets you take MECs back home with you. Can't use them in regular missions though

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>2 Supply Raids have appeared
>Have had to pass up both because both of them have been far below the infiltration time for 1 person
Magnificent.

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>>166948265
>>166948805

Late response but, geneva convention wouldn't be given a second look in an actual to-the-death (or at least to who sues for peace first) war, for instance, between the Warsaw Pact and NATO or between Russia and China.

The implementation is pretty much useless because in an actual desperate situation, especially if the cost of losing too much is nuclear war being the only option your country has left, there are pretty easy moral justifications for the use of every single thing you have in the arsenal to possibly prevent a conventional war going nuclear.

It only really exists at this point as a little rulebook of 'hey guys you should behave and fight nicely' but most factions just disregard them entirely because they're often going to be lawfully fucked either way. In conventional war it exists as a moral justification to totally destroy an enemy who broke the rules out of desperation post-war and to discourage peace being drawn up against state actors who break them.

Plus, when it comes to mines and napalm, most countries either have them or things which fill the same tactical role and would certainly use them. Fuel-air bombs come to mind as pretty much being akin to napalm, but with the ability to also cause concussion waves that can kill people in bunkers and tanks and to remove the oxygen from an area.

>mfw memories of the burrito from wargame

>>166986573
dude just infiltrate with your -6 man squad from the next multiverse over

>>166986759
I just want some fucking Elerium Crystals and bodies. If they could give me a Supply Raid thats not suicide that would be great, otherwise I'm going to be fucked at this rate because I won't have the Elerium for Lasers.

So my favourite character from the previous campaigns got reincarnated with just 13 mobility. 6 health, 70 aim and no negative defense/dodge though. Keep or restart?

Is there still no playable snek mod that is balanced for LW2?

>>166987047
I'm probably more suicidal than you are honestly as I'm a stubborn fuck who wants to outright skip laser guns and make magnetic weapons first. If anybody is reading this do not do it as magnetic weapons take forever to research and are expensive meaning you will be stuck with guns forever, I have a feeling the long war devs hate people like me and they want to throw me on the railroading they've set up

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Where can I get operator pools

>>166987186
>playable snek mod
End yourself, race traitor.

>>166987047
This
How much is it to ask for a supply raid or ambush that ain't pure bullshit.
All of mine have come with max 2 days 15 hours infiltrate time and baseline moderate-heavy.
Meaning that with a decent squad and intel boost I still get like somethin like moderate heavy.
Ofc I've tried going full stealth, but in the end up lacking utility and almost getting fucked by the least minimum of enemies I could get.

Also the fact that you don't get to collect enemy corpses after retaliation missions and others where you do not evacuate is STUPID.

>>166987047
>>166987753
honestly just asking for the bodies is huge because they never allow you to get corpses
having a mod that allows you to grab corpses i feel makes sense, but then we run into possible balance issues

>>166987787
True, but atm my Shinobis are completely useless.
I am reaching mag tech atm, but I have ZERO stun lancer corpses, thus I have 0 blade research done and thus no upgrades for shinobi.
Even worse, I cannot produce some of the shit I have researched, beacuse I don't have the needed corpses.

>>166987904
Shinobi are not useless even with just basic machetes. They have a 8-10 against organics, and get to attack everyone that moves into or out of melee or uses any ability within reach.

>>166988172
See I get your point, and I realize Shinobi are immensely useful, but at the same time they can be useless real fast since melee is still fairly risky to do since it's moving out of cover (this isn't taking into account you could trigger another pod)

>>166988258
>trigger another pod
all you need to say about a class that gets its main damage out of charging into the enemy lines.

>>166988317
You see more enemies to slice up, and I see more paperwork to write out on my commander's forms (even more if somebody dies)

>>166949567
Generally I just put a shit ton of guys on Intel and make decisions based on whatever freebies I get, often alien materials. That and it makes it much easier to get the missions you want, getting a few engineers early on will let you rely on excavation for resources until you can afford to have a haven focus on supply.

Will they make Sharpshooters not garbo next patch?

>>166988258
Yes, activating a new pod is always a risk, that's why you need to use fleche situationally. Also often you can position yourself in cover after charging, and later on you get to move after making a kill, meaning that you'll be very hard to pin down.

>>166988519
If you can fleche into cover isn't a part of what I mentioned, and of course if you can it's almost always worth it.

>>166958723
Ignore supplies, INTEL is your best friend.
Put 1 person on supplies and 1 on recruit if you want, but early game put everyone on INTEL.
You will get the missions you want with plenty of time to infiltrate, once you have 4 havens and at least 2 engineers and 2 scientists its safe to focus on other things.

So on those assassinate missions the supplies/intel reward is both if you kidnap, only supplies if you execute, right?
This one has 2days so I only sent in a sniper/shinobi to cheese.

>>166988172
I gotta state my case more accurately.
I am just salty that I cant use my weebwarriors in combat due to them lagging two tiers behind in tech, because of shit luck with supply/ambush missions.

I still think they are rather risky class to use in full combat purpose, since I've noted that extra pod activations are super cruel in LW2.

>activate an extra pod of advent mech & advent mech archer
>get completely obliterated by the bombardment

>>166985384
Hilarious.

>>166988480
Sharpshooter is synonymous with garbage.

>>166988736
Oh dude you don't even want to see the the MEC longbow and how agressive it is at long range nuking.

>Data extraction
>In some run down house on the edge of the map
>Sneak over along the perimeter
>Blow the wall down with a rocket
>Hack
>Set waypoint down to extract
>Advent pod wanders in from the right
>Sectoid pod from inside the house
>Second sectoid pod from the left.
>Holding down in a 2 square deep line behind a full cover fence
>Through liberal flashbang and a medkit everyone is alive and one is wounded.
>Extraction is ready
>1 guy will not make it because a sectoid disoriented him.
>We're currently flanked by an advent soldier who survived overwatch shots with just a graze
>Everyone extracts leaving the lone rookie to his fate.
>Last one out takes a 23% potshot at the flanker
>Kills them with a 2 damage graze
>Rookie is left all alone as 2.5 pods surround him
>Panics on the extraction zone and leaves after being hit by an overwatch shot.

I bet he already regrets enlisting.

>>166989040
Still doesn't come close to a leader I trained up who bit the dust on a retaliation mission surrounded by like five pods at once with everyone else already evacuated.

>>166988736
Risky, yes. But rather rewarding when the game doesn't make you graze for 3 damage and ruin your day

How do the breaching charges work, can anybody tell me before I risk using them?

Do they not cost an action, have a huge blast radius?

>>166989470
They cost an action, have a very short throw range, blow up like 2x2, no damage, counted as support grenades like smoke for perk purposes.