/kfg/ killing floor general

What's with all the ridiculously accurate sharps lately. There some sort of headshot cheat going around or something?

Is Armor Piercing Shot or Tight Choke better for Support Leveling?

>>166933978
People just got good

>>166934337
Tight Choke is good for sniping targets and getting more pellets into big Zeds' heads, more pellets = more damage, specially with the DBS
I think Support already has good enough passive penetration

>>166934547
Most people left are the ones with hundreds of hours

>>166934337
Support max level has enough penetration already, and tight choke is the difference between 2 shotting scrakes with a db, and 3+

berserker

>>166934337
I guess if you're specifically leveling Support, Armor Piercing might be good just so you're sure to tag more zeds with the greater spread/penetration and thus get you more exp.

As those other dudes mentioned, Tight Choke is what you'll be using most of the time once you hit max, so might be worth getting used to the tighter spread. I doubt Armor Pierce will realistically get you nearly as much exp as, say, remembering to tap as much shit as possible with your 9mm when you have spare moments.

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>>166936847

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Silly question I guess, but is it common that I kill so few Zeds when playing as Medic? I always get bottom score on that regard, even when some of the other players don't... perform very well.

Sometimes I feel like I should kill more but seems like everytime I turn around someone is raging couple of Scrakes and FPs and I'm having to think on the spot how to survive that unprepared.

>>166940027
Your weapons are shit. Your job is to heal.

>>166940027
Pretty much

>>166939428
Field Medic

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>>166940861

I need drugs.

>survivalist with med pistol, xbow, dbs, and rpg

is there a better setup? Because this one is fucking incredible

>>166940961
Alright then.

Now Anon, bring me Martial Artist

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>>166946539

>>166947343

RIP.

>>166947392
Fool. She lives on, in my heart. Unlike kf2. RIP.

>>166944797

Survivalist with DBS and AK-12 is a good jack-of-all trades that lets you take down trash and medium zeds with the AK and control Scrakes with the DBS.

>>166940027

The only kills you should be doing is taking out stray Stalkers or Crawlers, or killing anything with the DBS and Medic Assault Rifle if you need to clutch.

>>166940027

Also, always pack a DBS when you get the cash for it. It not only lets you easily kill raged Scrakes coming your way, it also makes it much, much easier to clutch (and you will have to clutch as Medic at some point).

Does anybody else this fucking annoying delay even with normal ping? I get 50ish ping, but it feels I'm playing fucking 100+. No problems on other games.

Literally shoot a head, wait half a second, then it pops. Feels fucking horrible.

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>>166949782
else have*

so, what is your least fun perk? why? what would you want to change?

>>166950187

Gunslinger. You're too dependent on teammates not interfering with you when you go for big guys, and you should go for a class that has more ammo if you're going to do trash cleanup.

>>166950187
Sharpshooter.

To be quite frank, I'm just not the best at precision shooting.

>>166934337
tight choke is almost mandatory for the trenchgun/DBS

the other guns are pretty much whatever. You don't really need the penetration so its really just a choice between less spread or more spread

>>166950187
firebug
enemies take a couple seconds to die rather than popping instantly and you can't do shit to big zeds

>>166950187
Firebug.
Literally more useful dead.

Hey anons, what do you think about this KF2-related commission I'm getting done?

(NSFW)

http://www.hentai-foundry.com/pictures/user/WickedInkArt/485003/Killing-Floor-Stalker-WIP-2

>>166952040
gross

>>166952040
horrible

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>>166950187
Sharpshooter
Not nearly enough dakka

>>166952040
Die, clod.

Rejoice, kfg. You outlived the /v/ thread.

>>166953528
Cool

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>>166953642
You will never be cool again, no.

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>>166953528
>/v/

Anyone else getting terrible rubberbanding? Like, you see a Crawler hop to the side away from you, then a second later he's suddenly right at your face and tearing through your health like crazy?

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>>166953903
>/kfg/

>>166954134
I've been getting that a few times per game all weekend

>>166954190

It makes Zerk a fucking nightmare to play, because you think you've gotten everything under control, then suddenly you're getting your ass handed to you with no warning.

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>>166952040
how much did you pay for it?

Asking for a friend.

>>166954513

$35 and a extra $10 for a special variation that will be made when the image is done.

I'll never eat black pudding again.

>Launch the game.
>Splash screen pops up.
>Decide to go get a drink while it loads.
>Sit back down with my drink and start sipping.
>Finish my drink, decide to read a book.
>Finish my book, alt tab out and start playing a browser game.
>Beat the browser game, decide to take a nap.
>Wake up, game's finally launched.
>Start match making process, and go to make dinner.
It's been 3 days since then.
The game's still looking.

>>166956985
>matchmaking

just browse for servers dummy

Whenever someone has a problem finding a game, it's always because they're using matchmaking.

don't die on me

HP LOVECRAFT WOULD GET OFF ON THIS

Been replaying KF2 again and it's pretty much fixed in all my complaints

Should I start shilling it again?

>>166960640

Sure. It's great now.

>>166960640
It's... pretty good now. I had a lot of complains when I tried free weekend and I was really close minded "IT WILL ALWAYS BE SHIT COMPARED TO KF1" but eh, gave another shot when it was on sale and I'm satisfied.

What is the best "off-perk" healer? Survivalist for the healing nades, Commando for the synergy with the AR or...?

Besides "just play Medic" I mean

>>166961038
Survivalist with medic ar, rpg, dbs

>>166961038
either
>decent gun, shitty heals
>shitty gun, decent heals

if you want the best healing it would have to be survivalist since they actually get perk bonuses to healing, although I'd still prefer commando because /fuck/ survivalist

How do I play berserker?

What weapons / skills?

Tell me how to make steambucks with the zedconomy system

>>166961698

You don't. This isn't CS:GO.

>There will never be a KF2Lotto for skins.

>>166963345

>You will never get to gamble skins during a competitive Versus match.

>>166961698
Make skins and hope they are chosen. You end up getting a cut of the key and crate sales although I'm not sure what the percentage is. The maker of the Swat skin supposedly posts here and could probably give you more answers if they're are still around.

bomp

>Use AK-12.
>Masterson acts like it fires 7.62x39mm, when the magazine shape indicates it's chambered in 5.45x39mm.

>>166965349
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>166961038
Commando doesn't lose out on performance for his regular role by also equipping for the healing roll.
You can never get three commando guns anyways.
SCAR + Medrifle gives you the two best commando guns, and there's room for the medpistol so you have two medguns.

>Hating Survivalist.
>Finally find a combo I like.
>Change my opinion to Survivalist being fun.

>>166955391
Cut your losses

>>166968963

I've just cancelled the request and requested a chargeback thanks to your advice. Never knew how shit it was until you said something. Thanks!

>>166969519
Always compare prices for what you get look at others and how much they offer before getting new fap material

>>166965349
SDK says 7.62x39 casings, masterson says 7.62, an AK they used in mocap was 7.62x39, and the damage is in line with popular perception of 7.62x39, so I dunno why they modeled it with the wrong mag.
Adjusting the mocap animations to fit the different mag probably made it more work than the right mag would have been.

>>166971349
the much more retarded thing about the AK12, though, is the barrel recoils way back into the receiver when you fire, instead of just wiggling

>Boss round.
>Firebug and Commando are on the team.

>>166973063
>Join a sucidal server
>3 ppl on there are friends and talking to each other
>2 firebugs and a commando
>they start complaining about how they wish the server was on hard so that they can beat bosses

It took 2 waves for them to start dying every wave...

>>166973987

Matchmaker shitters confirmed.

>>166971349

That's weird. It shouldn't be too hard to model a modern 7.62x39mm AK mag, then put it on the AK-12.

>>166974239
i mean they were all lvl 20+ and didn't even know the difference between the scrake and fp spawn sounds

i tanked a fp and was at low health and spammed "Need Healing" and they said on voice
>we don't have a medic

>>166975935

So they're level grinders and use matchmaking. Talk about the worst possible pubs to have on your team.

Demo does almost everything the Sharp does, but better and has much better trash-clearing capabilities. Prove me wrong.

Is the improved stunning skill needed for the Crossbow as Sharp?

>>166978165
Demo/Gunslinger/Support all do everything sharp does better

>>166978165
>>166979298
I'll never not be mad at how they fucked up Sharpshooter by removing his pistols and then giving him a fucking S&W .500 and the shitty starting revolvers as cross perk weapons. Why not the fucking 1911 and the Deagle? FUCK!

Just let me carry two fucking m14 ebrs I don't need anything else i just fucking need bullets

>>166979584
Yeah, they should have balanced it so you could have duplicates, just so that future sidegrades aren't a power creep, giving two onperk tier 4s or such.

>>166940961
I want to licc those thighs

>>166979439

As it stands now, Sharp just isn't built for how KF2 plays. You can somewhat work with it as a mobile sniper using the M14 EBR, but Gunslinger is usually better for that role because you have more ammo and better trash-killing capabilities.

Maybe I'm missing something but are Gunslinger and SWAT's bullet resistance really only for Patriarch and that's it?

Seems like a waste

>>166981817

They work for Hans' Mkb 42s too.

They're mostly useless and feel like filler resistances that Tripwire never got around to changing.

>>166980860
I tend to rock the Winchester and M14 as Sharpshooter, but tend to drop the M14 and replace with Railgun during the boss wave, but I literally have not played as Sharp after the patch went live just because it's not as fun as Killing Floor's Sharpshooter was.

>>166981982

I think the M14 and Crossbow are still fun to use, but the M14 just doesn't have the amount of ammo you need to clear a wave unless you reserve it only for big zeds and trash that's gnawing at your ankles.

As it stands now, I mostly use Sharp to screw around in Hard mode. It's just too situational and dependent on a godly team to keep the trash off of you for pub Suicidal or HoE, even when running a mobile M14 build.

>>166982364
I never have used the crouching/standing still skills as the game itself isn't slow enough for me to sit my ass down and "snipe" to get those bonuses. Maybe I just suck, but I use marksmen and ballistic shock desu.

>>166982697

I use the standing one to get extra damage while I chip away at a Scrake's head with the M14.

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>friends new to the game
>asks what would be a good starting class to pick up
>suggest survivalist for "versatility"
>he's actually going through with it

>>166983354

You fool!

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>>166983354
That's kind of expected considering he'd have absolutely no fucking clue on what the meta actually is.

Turn him back before it's too late

Will HoE ever consist of more than perk grinding servers and a handful of servers with underleveled people in them?

>>166983405
It was just one of those moments, i'll see how he's finding it in a few days
>>166983465
I will redpill him on how survivalist actually is in time
what is our meta nowadays anyway

>>166981982
>>166982364
>>166982697
Maybe I'm just lucky, but I play as railgun Sharp all the time in Suicidal and I'll say 80% of the time I get teams that are willing to work with me.

That said, it's map dependant. Zed Landing and Containment Station for example are excellent for railgun Sharp, where as Catacomb and Biotics Lab are terrible. Don't play railgun on CQB maps.

>>166984884

Try Sharp in Farmhouse.

>>166985712
Farmhouse is usually pretty bad for rail sharp, although I had a team that made it work once by all camping in the barn.

>>166986696

Did you have a Demo clearing out the trash for you so you could focus on the big guys?

>>166987297
Yes, and a zerk and medic team holding the stairs coming up.

>>166987510

That's what I thought. A Demo is pretty much required to hold the barn.

>>166984107
>>166984107
>what is our meta nowadays anyway

Firebug's weapons aren't entirely shit now and Support can now use Trenchgun as a very good trash cleaner. Dunno about the Nailgun though.

Oh yeah, Gunslinger gets a few nice extras too.

>>166988554

I've heard good things about the Winchester when Gunslingers use it.

>>166985712
I can play Railgun Sharp in Farmhouse (Suicidal or 5p HoE)
Sharpshooter can use Tactical Reload and oneshot Scrake as long as it is not 6 player HoE. So I usually run Sharp with Railgun/500 Magnum in Suicidal or HoE 5 player and below. When it is 6 player HoE, I just switch to another perk. The lack of fast reload on Sharp is fucking annoying. Gunslinger can have both Rack Em Up and fast reload.

>>166988554
Trenchgun is fucking good on Support. AA12/DBS/Trenchgun is my go to build now.

>>166984107
Survivalist could work as a pseudo Combat Medic. Get the Medic skill and healing nade. He still mediocre as fuck tho.

>>166988910
For something you can simply find on the ground or replace your starting 1858s with for a small sum which you can get most of back, it's very nice and you could probably skip using the 1911s altogether since it does have penetration. The downside is that it's a heavier weapon.

Medic pistol is also a nice little bonus since many people already like to carry one.

BRITISH RIFLE

GERMAN ENGINEERING

derp

dont die on me

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>>166979584
>>166979770
Would a purchasable extra ammo container be a good idea?

Like it would let you have, let's say, 10-20% more ammo capacity and it would weigh 4 or something. It would show up in your inventory along with the welder and med syringe so you can drop it for teammates or something like that.

>>166994625
That feels like it's stepping on support's toe too much.

>>166979584
M14 ammo pool is fucking small. Don't even know what the fuck is TWI thinking.

it is a fucking shame that KF1 Sharp was the boss and KF2 Sharp is fucking frustrating to play.

>>166994960
Look at it this way.

Support gives you ammo,
but the the extra ammo container lets you carry more ammo.

We could put the container in the support tab.

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So when there's an ammo box lying around, ideally which perks do you give priority to if it isn't finders-keepers?

>>166995117
The ammo pool in general feels a lot more tighter than it did in KF1, which I suppose is why Support now has the role of being the ammo bitch. Which makes it harder to swap out of the perk in consecutive games

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PUT ANDERSON BACK IN THE FUCKING GAME ALREADY

>The updates have made the game pretty good now
>Like almost KF1 good and then some like the new ZEDs
>Hard and Suicidal are incredibly good - and hard - but good
>Quickmatch doesn't work
>No Hard or Suicidal servers up
>The few that are there are always full
>Realize how small the community is
>Realize that I can't make a Listen Server by myself
>I can't launch a Dedicated one either without fucking with the SteamCMD and other bullshit
>It's an MP game that can't be played MP
>Tripwire hasn't added this option in 2 and half years of development
>This is why so few servers exist
>This is why the community is so small compared to KF1

What

The fuck

What

How in the name of fuck is the game going to be fucking popular if you can't play at all

>>166961698
>>166963642

Yeah, I'm here. I made the SWAT skins.
I can't go into specifics, but basically you get 25% of all revenue earned from the sale of keys for your USB, +/- a bit for taxes depending on where you live.
I earn between 700-1000 dollars a month from people buying my keys.
You don't get any money from second hand sales on the Steam market, sadly. But you do make another 25% if they sell individual skins in the store. My 9mm skin is sold right now in the store as is and I get a few bucks from that every day.

>>166998094
I am genuinely surprised with how often full the Australian/NZ servers are on both Hard and Suicidal, with a couple of people playing HoE.

Lack of a listen server option definitely does sting, especially for LAN since it's not as quick and easy.

>>166998249
I like the SWAT 9mm

>>166996285
>So when there's an ammo box lying around, ideally which perks do you give priority to if it isn't finders-keepers?
Support with Resupply Pack > SWAT > Sharpshooter > Demolitions > Gunslinger > Commando > Medic > Berserker > Firebug = Survivalist

What is the point of the SWAT?

>>166998972
'Disabling enemies' or simply being an alternative trashman.

>>166949782
only on some servers, even when my ping is ~20
also every time after voting for a new map that map doesn't load for me and i get "disconnected from the host" or smthn like that, ican reconnect to the server however
so at the end of every game i have to type "please wait for a few seconds for me to join back"

>>166973063
don't mind commando in case it's patty cuckboi can be useful as long as he knows how to stay alive and has a medic AR


is xbow still a "crutch" only scrubs use?

>>166998972
I love it

It's like a semi Berserker trash dispenser

High rate of fire
Good damage
+base armor

>>166998249
Are the skins that are sold individually rotated or are they locked down permanently?

>>167005160
They seem to rotate to a new set every other update or so.

>>167005160

Every now and then they rotate. I have no idea when.

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>SWAT pretending to be Goku and walking alone
>Constantly raging Scrakes and FPs
>Always running to the group when this happens
>Dies anyway
>"omg u guys dont heal"

Every online game.

>>167007286
Randoms add to the challenge anon, plus they're good for a cheap laugh when they die in ways similar to what you've experienced.

>solo was already easier than multi
>-40% spawn rate in solo

Huh Tripwire?

Survivalist here. How do I join a 6 player HOE game without getting immediately kicked

>>167008950
Spawn as a different perk then switch.

>>167008950
stop playing survivalist

>>167008120
>playing solo

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Is it just me or is the ingame team stats "tab" menu still broken?

Most of the time I can't see the other players steam avatars or they all appear to have same avatar as I do..

Playing Prison at the moment on solo for daily drop, but does anyone know what the voice over the intercom is saying or is it just gibberish? It freaked me the fuck out because I have another window playing ghost videos and shit of that nature.

>>167011537
Yeah, it's still fucky, but what's new is that players that weren't playing for the current wave aren't on the tab menu anymore, but still the escape menu.

>>167000681
>is xbow still a "crutch" only scrubs use?
Not useful as a crutch, even, anymore.

>>166998559
If commando takes the mag cap skills, he gets loads of ammo from boxes, so he can be pretty high priority.

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>>167000681
When was the xbow a crutch? Also its broken in the sense that the projectiles are fucked up.

>>167015217
"No."

>>167015217

>Commando ever taking the larger magazine skills.

wew

>>167016309
I only take the first one. What the fuck do I need quick reload when reload cancel exists?

>>167016309
larger clips skills*

Playing KF2 the first time since KF2009

Why are trash mobs so trash? Most level 10-15 classes have anti trash skill/weapon, they feel like walking wallets.

>>167016381
>abusing bugs
KYS

>>167016391
Ain't that how it's always been?

>>167016476

That's not playing the Tripwire-approved way!

>>167016476
>bug
Tripwire put the mechanic in and the haven't fixed it yet, so it's fair game to me anon. Also telling others to kill themselves, be careful Tripwire doesn't catch wind of that, they'll remove your game!

>>167016513
Trash in KF1 had stats of the elite version of KF2 except for speed.

>>167016513
People gave trash enough shit to weld doors in KF. I remember 2+ members of the squad keeping a door shut while the rest desperately tried to clear the room.

I've seen at most 5 welded doors in KF2 in 60ish hour in useless places. What's the point of blocking hordes when you can just murder them all? There's barely any strategy besides find the "spot" on a map, kite and repeat.

>>167016309
2.5x free ammo from boxes and supplier kicks ass, and ak/scar/medrifle don't save shots on most trash/gorefasts with hollow points anyways.

>>167017730

As opposed to the amazing KF1 strategies that are "Camp all the time while occasionally sacrificing a support's firepower for welding duty" or "Kite when you have to clutch a wave as a Zerk"?

>>167018297
this

although i kinda miss just sitting staring down one corridor and just blasting waves of zeds

>>166998559
why SWAT?

>>167019306
Tons of guns that eat tons of ammo.

>>167018297
That's the atmosphere of KF tho. Most groups on higher difficulties start by camping but eventually gets overrun.

I guess KF2 is so close to a great sequel but just misses the mark.

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>2 medics on the team
>they don't do shit all game

>>167020053

But muh combat medic.

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>>167020053
>2 firebugs

>join wave 1 hard as survivalist, medic joins same time
>we both survive every wave
>end of game
>I get the healing award with 600 healing done

How

HOW

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>very few people take advantage of my supplier passive
Is it because they don't actually need it or are they just dumb? Even on HoE, my last 5 games as support only had maybe 3 guys who topped up their kit

why does the berserker have a 'lawn mower blade'

what the fuck even is that

>>167022214
I'm always on that "I feel like someone else might need more" kinda situation.

Greandes tho, I'm always rushing for those.

>>167022372

Anon, each teammate can take ammo from a Support once per wave. He doesn't have a set pool of ammo he can give to everyone.

>>167022583
I'm 43h in and if you hold me at gun point and asked, I would have been shot.

Is it the same for nades?

>>167022682
No.

>>167022682

Yep.

>>167022756
>>167022765
lol

>>167015580
i think that got fixed recently

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>>167022682
>>167022756
I mean, yes.

>>167018628
containment station is pretty good for that

>>167024332
*dabs*

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>>167024518

Say what you like about kf2 but I will never not love the design choices for the berserker perks. Particularly the parry perk. One of the most fun moments I had was soloing a suicidal 6 player patriarch after he killed everyone else just by parrying and riposting every attack he threw. So goddamn satisfying to get that saturated screen and ringing noise

>>167025086
How does parrying work? I haven't tried berserker yet, new player.

>>167025086

In KF2 I like it when things start to go tits up because it makes things more exciting. Things going bad in KF1 was usually "GG" unless you had a Zerk on the team.

i might be mad but i really like survivalist for that reason

5 people die, 50 zeds left, you grab any gun thats on the ground and start mowing them down cause you always get a benefit for any gun

>>167025086

>>167027094

With the right combo Survivalist is really fun.

>>167025894
Start blocking at roughly the same time something attacks = "ping" noise, attack is mostly negated and they stumble back. If you're a zerk and have the appropriate skill = receive decent damage resistance and bonus damage for several seconds afterward.

It's sometimes worthwhile for other classes. A katana can let you lock a scrake down pretty neatly as any class (though you're better off just bringing a DBS to the fight if that's your goal).

>>166996285

>Clot's face when he sees Ana's ass.

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how does this make you feel guys

>>167028056

That achivement was added many monbths after KF2 first came out in EA and there has been a free weekend since the achivement came out.

>>167027680
i usually pack a dbs/rpg/medipistol

seems to work wonders for me

>>167025894
Time your block so that it blocks an attack the moment you press the block button. I.E. press block button just as the scrake chainsaw is about to hit you. It negates more damage than blocking and stumblea most attackers. Berserkers get a perk that gives them tons of bonuses for parrying

>>167028149

I prefer DBS/AK-12/Medic Pistol. DBS gives you the power needed to kill Scrakes and deal with Fleshpounds in an emergency and the AK-12 has the right combo of price and power for trash-clearing and medium zed-killing.

>>167028265
does anyone have problems with blocking tho?

whenver i try to block it seems that i just do the parry animation (putting weapon up and putting it down instead fo hulding it up) and i always seem to be hit by full damage

>>167028149
I go with this, but rock a Katana in the early rounds, until I can afford an RPG, since with Melee Training its so good at racking up dosh with ammo-less murdering of crowds of trash.

>>167028407
haven't tried that yet, might give it a go

any point to use gunsliger weapons on survivalist or just stick with the basics

>>167028512
Are you blocking with a small melee weapon like a knife? If they're too weak they'll get pushed aside by a Scrake/Fleshpound

>>167028512
My middle mouse button is faulty as fuck because I have an older mouse and I have this problem constantly.

Been considering rebinding the alt-fire/block key to something more reliable, but fuck if I know what I could use and still maintain my mobility.

>>167028714

I bound the alternate fire key to E, moved my use key to F, then put flashlight on N.

>>167028149
add crossbow to this with the +5 weight skill

stun scrakes, walk up point blank rpg to face, dbs to finish

also snipe husks and sirens with it

>>167028681
nah, i was using the bone crusher at the time
>>167028714
the thing is, it does work in a non combat situation, while just standing at the trader holding mmb causes me to start blocking, but during a game, when a fp is chasing me holding down mmb shows me the parry animation and i still take full damage

Is killing floor 2 any good?

>>166934337
I roll with AP, but I play with a full group and I'm on dedicated crowd control, so your mileage may vary.

>>167029528
Yes

>>167028512
Parrying and blocking dont negate all damage, and different weapons block different amounts of damage. Block and parrying are the same button. Block is just holding down the parry button. A parry happens when the attack is blocked by the beginning frames of holding or pressing the block button. Best way to mitigate damage is to use Bone Crusher weapon as a Berserker and using the Parry perk. Parrying and blocking during your buff duration negates upwards of 90% of damage on all difficulties. Add berserker regeneration/high health pool and you're unkillable

>>167029528

It's great now.

>>167029528
No one is more surprised than me to admit that, yes, actually, it's quite good. It just gives people a bad taste in their mouths when you look at the developers and their deplorable business practices. But the game in a vaccuum is really fun

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which one of you fuckers used cheat engine?

>>167031902

me

>>167031902

me

>>167031902
Not me

>>167032374

Great!

>>167031902
Not me.

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>>167031902
not me

>>167031902
me

i did it a few days after getting the game and again every time an updated added a new class

i've never leveled up normally

>have to expect even 25s to be clueless tosspots
why even have the leveling system?

>>167035938
It's much easier to hit Lv25 in KF2 than Lv6 in KF1 too

WANKERS

>>167042629
Bog off you wanka

>>167031902
Not me, i'm a good boy and use the grindmap

>>167043389
What is it called?

>>167043576
>>167043576
Superperktraining, just go on HoE and you'll see plenty

Is it me or did KF1 end up getting kind of bloated

>>167045330
I don't know why it never gets complained about

It's filled with ridiculous weapons and skins now

>>167045390
That's what I'm kind of getting at. More things like maps is always a nice thing, but weapon selection ballooned, and there was all kinds of skins from its Steampunk phase as well as how many variations of Foster and Skully. The Commando especially had all of these automatics, three Tommy Guns even, a lot of them have minor variance between each other. Seems to be a lot less extreme for other classes, though I'm not sure how you lot feel about things like the Husk Gun, Buzzsaw Bow, or the ZED guns.

I suppose a similar argument could be made for KF2's cosmetics and weapon skin system, given that's pretty much the nature of hamfisted marketplaces, though at least skins don't clog up the shop menu and the game itself provides a template to start anew.

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>>167042629
Hox you're in the wrong general.

>>167046137

KF2's microtransaction system is a bloated mess, but you can completely ignore it. Can't say that for a fuckhuge weapon system like KF1's current weapons.

Bumping for gormless tossers.

>>167048643
I hope that whatever newer weapons that pop up in the future don't fall into the same trap.

I'm so happy i waited as long as i did to play this now that its actually good.

Having a blast.

>>167051483

I hope that Commando doesn't get the bloat he had in KF1. That was annoying.

>>167051895

I'm glad you like it now. You made a good decision to wait until now because this is still the best KF2 has been so far.

>>167053296
Hopefully it stays this good and no future updates fuck it up too badly.

>>167054081

We can always review bomb the game again if that happens.

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>>167053296
>I hope that Commando doesn't get the bloat he had in KF1. That was annoying.

Not sure what they were thinking.

>>167054081
Wonder if they'll try to do elites for every specimen. Suicidal as-is already sees a ton of those white crawlers, and plenty of Gorefiends and elite clots to boot, if they did any more then I can imagine that fucking things up a bit unless they made a new difficulty and/or raise the level cap.

>>167056763
I really want a difficulty past HOE where every zed is the elite version, with new elites for stalker, siren, husk, scrake, fp, bloat, and maybe elite bosses too

>>167056875
Wouldn't mind an optional mutator of sorts that did some tweaks independent of the difficulty, like disabling Scrake and Fleshpound warnings among other details.

>>167056875

What could you do with the elites though? The elites are just the PvP versions of Zeds added to the main game, and most of them are the same as their regular counterparts. Making stronger versions of existing enemies and calling it a day is lame. You could use an elite FP to re-introduce the cut spinning attack the FP had, but that's all I can think of.

>>167057072
>elite stalker
blinks
>elite husk
has two guns, double fire rate of normal husk
>elite siren
runs
>elite scrake
has a meathook in his other hand to pull players to him
>elite fleshpound
shoots rocket fists

>>167057345
>Rocket fists

Fuck

M32 and/or pipes fucking when?

>>167057072
Elite bloat leaves three mines on death, leaves a mine whenever he goes through a door if he's in line of sight with a player, and leaves a mine whenever he misses with his puke. To differentiate, regular bloats stop dropping mines on death.
Elite siren uses the vs pull while doing her radial scream at the same time, but the pull doesn't prevent weapon use like in vs.
Elite husk, as he's charging a fireball or using his flamethrower, his backpack launches two mortars, like pat's, but with a more incendiary looking explosions.
Elite scrake will often try to headbutt you, giving you a temporary concussion effect of limited aim/turn speed. He'll then try to get around behind you, where he'll use regular attacks. Revenge for early access.
Elite fleshpound uses the old rage animation, and at the end of it, he explodes without hurting himself, like demo's reactive armor. This explosion doesn't damage zeds much, but it does send trash flying away in the knockdown ragdoll state. If he's been raging for more than five seconds, his attack will be the old spin attack, which now knocks back/up players enough to make falling damage common.
Elite stalker is extra fast and rather than attacking players, she locks on to whatever zed within 30m has the most health, and follows him, cloaking him when within 5m of him. If he dies, she only targets whoever killed him. If whoever killed him is dead, she kills herself.

How about a Cryo or Microwave Husk

>>167060501
Pipes would need to be a lot less sensitive to detonating on trash/gorefasts/bloats, to be useful with KF2's faster pace. Their function could also be added as a C4 altfire.

M32, probably in several months? It's the unofficial zane mod that's getting the most interest, and the M16M203 started as an unofficial zane mod.

>>166939428

Best perk girl. That midriff.

>>167031902
i have that, but used perk leveling map to get to lvl20 and then earned my last 5lvls as an honest man

>>167064051

Reeeee

>>167064051
I can relate, usually I get up to at least lvl 15 and go from there in Suicidal, going through normal and hard just isn't fun when you're used to sui and hell

>>167064691

I grinded by Demo to 15 because Siren resist is borderline essential for trash-clearing duties.

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>>167031902
I level up my perks like a good boy.

>>167064806
Its silly how Siren Resistance so essential to stop demo being shut down so easy, I know Sirens are meant to be "the counter" but I can assure you that in KF1 i've managed to see many m79 grenades push through those screams

>>167064979

They should made Siren immunity something the class always has because of how important it is.

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>>167064979
I find it hilarious how the alternative skill effectively confers a damage penalty for an expanded area of effect. Why would anyone take that over not getting fucked over by what is effectively your hard counter?

>>167065147

You don't even need it when you've leveled up enough. I can usually land several M79 grenades that will kill 6 or 7+ enemies with one shot in a single match with Siren resistance on. Unless you're doing something retarded, like trying to clear out every enemy roaming around Manor's courtyard with a single M79 grenade, there is no reason to use it.

>>167065381
Not even that, lowering explosive power for the AoE enhancement seems kinda silly. I think Tripwire needs to go over all the skills, there's plenty of cases where one skill simply shits on its contemporary and thus it kind of makes the whole thing for naught.

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>>167065949
Tell me about it, one of the biggest ones that still irks me:
>level 20 support skills
>super supplier: give way more ammunition and some armour to the team, even have some extra rounds yourself
>trip zeds up slightly: stumble with your high stumble power weapons

How is that even a competition? One gives a huge upgrade to the already handy supplier skill by throwing in more elements to which one benefits you pretty well, the other just makes big guys act tipsy because support weapons can generally one shot even mediums

>>167066387
Literally the only reason that skill choice even exists is as a retard check.
If you get ammo from a level 20 support and don't receive 20 armor, you can immediately tell that he's shit at the game and a selfish prick.

>>167066768
There are quite a few of those. If you see medic shoot anyone and they get poisoned you know it's time to bail that game.

Are demo, firebug and support my only options if I want to be an effective crowd killer and kill a bunch of enemies in one shot? I like the power of being able to blow back crowds at once over just thinning them one at a time

>>167066954
There's also Survivalist with DBS+RPG or trench gun+RPG

>>167066954
Berserker can sort of do it if you line them up just right and use hard swings.
>I like the power of being able to blow back crowds at once over just thinning them one at a time
Well then yes those and Berserker are your only real options. 4/10 perks is not bad all things considered.

Whatever anon said you can't abuse the drop system by suiciding in a solo match anymore is a liar. It still works.

>>167066809
Healing darts can end up poisoning too, though

>>167067837
No they don't, anon.
Only the grenade deals poison damage by default.

>>167067947
Really? I thought darts that hit zeds end up doing poison, and I just stick with buff darts.

>>167068013
They only poison zeds if you pick the skill, which is garbage.
Even if they did poison on their own they deal so little damage and waste your dart ammo pool instead of using it on teammates so they're still never worth using as an offensive weapon.

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>>167066809
>hating on the only remote form of crowd control medic has since leg stumble and sedate were removed

COME ON IT'S 2017

>>167068927
>medic
>crowd control
Maybe you should play SWAT, Firebug, or Sharpshooter instead.

>>166980860
Both true and not. Basically I played mobile SS for a year or so, using xbow for stunning, m14 for firepower and deagle for sidearm. I did devastatingly good with this setup.

Recently, as my friends and I started playing controlled difficulty, it's just not useful at all when there's 50 big ones per wave. So I tried crouching with a rail, it's working a lot faster on them bigs for sure, and this way you bring something to the team. It's worthless against trash because LAR just doesn't have the ammo but whatever 400/500 trash you'd kill with m14 can be killed easily by anyone else anyways.

The way I see it, rail SS with crouch skill doesn't fit the game unless you put in a lot more big zeds, it's too strong and not versatile enough to justify a slot for barely 30 scrakes in an entire game.

>>167068104
The darts do poison. Go into a solo game with any perk and fire a dart from a medic gun at a zed.

What I'm trying to get to is that any accidental poisons can still happen, though I'm sure you're reasonable and don't abandon a game on the sight of a single poisoned clot.

What does clutch mean?

>>167070502
It means you better tighten your asshole because you're gonna get violated.

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>>167069025
>hating utility
>not taking advantage of every possible edge

Only so many darts you can pump into somebody. A healing cap of 10hp/s isn't going to save you from a SC/FP death blow, making them panic from poison to buy a few seconds will save a life.

Also rather nice to not worry about getting grabbed/swiped by a headless trash zed, or give you time to reload if you're in the middle of killing a medium zed.

And honestly, I don't use speed/dmg darts unless I'm playing with friends, because fuck pubs. Only useful as meatshields as far as I'm concerned.

>>167071104
buffs stack

>>167072201
and I stack damage reduction darts only, +speed & +dmg is unnecessary for pubs.

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>>167075282
>speed is unnecessary for pubs
The ONLY times this is true is on sub-HoE difficulties and/or if you WANT your teammates to die.

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>>167070502
>https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=clutching
>When you are playing an online game, and you are the only one alive on your team. You have to "Clutch" the round by killing the opposing team single-handedly. So clutching is surviving in a one versus five or more players situation, killing them and winning the game. Clutching a situation in other words is getting control over a close situation.

>>167067054
That was me. Strange it wasn't working for me tell day I made that post. Maybe my 24 hour reset hadn't activated yet? I'll have to try it again today.

>>167070502
>can you handle a manual transmission, sir?
fucking amerifats

think "changing gears" use the clutch actively, as you should do when last one alive.

>>167077893
I always figured the term was based on 'clutch' as in grasping something tightly, in the sense of 'holding on' without your teammates help for long enough to turn the tide in your favor and eke out a win.

>>167078132
clutching at straws?
nah, you just switch gears

>>167078291
On second thought I'm thinking its probably from a clutch of eggs. When you clutch in a game you're keeping your eggs (hp) safe while breaking everyone else's, so that you are the only one left with a clutch at the end.

>>167082050
fucking rekt

>>166961572
Katana for trash, pulverizer for SCs and FPs. You can use the pulverizer on sirens or husks if you have to.

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Is there anyone who uses C4 on a regular basis?

>>167087253
Not quite regular, but if I'm demo for the boss, I'll grab it to try to finish Pat.

>>167087253
I often grab it for an early-wave diversion as demo. 8 blocks of high explosives keeps me amused while I continue save for an RPG. I'd be better off getting the M79, but I've never managed to develop a taste for it after those days of it being a huge, 1100 dosh, waste.

I also pick it up for the Boss wave on any perk if I have the weight available and lots of spare dosh handy, purely so I can stick them to Patty if he shows up and negate his invisibility with the blinking lights. Sometimes manage to blow his ass up when he just barely gets away with a sliver of health too, so that's a nice bonus every now and then.

>>166950187
sharpshooter. not enough guns. more guns.

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>>167069025
>sharpshooter
>crowd control

>>167088062
So what do you do in regular waves, just C4+pistol early on and then C4+RPG? Or do you ditch them at some point?

My friends got me to play kf2 and I'm having a blast with it.
They told me to just play survivalist and I just got that to lvl 25.
I found myself for the last 10 levels just using demolitions kits and doubling everyone's kill count easily.
I found survivalists perks with explosions to be pretty good, but how much better is pure demo?
Also, is lvling swat to 20 just to start a game out with armor then switching off to a different perk after wave 1 a thing?

>>167090704
Pure anything is better than Survivalist. Survivalist is "ok" with everything but doesn't excels at it.

>>167090107
s-sauce

>>167090838
Weird, I was never not top score by like +100 kills playing it. I can't wait to get my pure demo up then.

>>167092257
It'll be more evident as you level up other Perks and unlock their skills.

>>167092356
Sounds good. I'm trying to get swat to 20 so I can get armor and switch off, then going for other perks.
Do people in here share steam IDs and play with eachother at all?

>>167094873
Is this some sort of reference?

>>167094983
I dare to even to say... A Jojo reference?

>>167095053

No way pal.

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>>167092716
Maybe

http://steamcommunity.com/id/nekoragi/
EU or fuck off

>>167060954
>M16M203 started as an unofficial zane mod.
it did?

>>167095927
https://youtu.be/RF-GWIKeISY?t=2m46s

>>167096987
I'm pretty sure the m16m203 was already out when the video was made

>>167097192
It was.
http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/forum/killing-floor-2/kf2-news-and-announcements/news-and-announcements-af/2266218-kf-1041-wip-changelog

>>167095809
Added, I'll have some games later on in the day

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This is GreenStreet anon and I just wanted to say to the 2 guys that like my stuff that I'm getting a bass during febuary to record tracks.

Next one is called Eviscerator.

>>167092716
People do now
http://steamcommunity.com/id/1173820/

>Be Ana.
>Clot grabs my ass.

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>>167100870
>nobody will grab your ass because its too big for most peoples hands

>>167102191
New Clot variant with big hands when?

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>>167094983
>There are """""""people""""""" who only discovered Jojo with Stardust Crusader

Is it ever worth spending three medic grenades just to keep one guy alive?

Zerker was kind of overextending.

>>167104503

Just shoot darts into him.

>>166952582
>>167089394
>>166951473
>Gets a railgun
>can freeze scrake and fleshpound with one grenade
>now has fun with a giant magnum revolver

How is sharpshooter worse than commando and swat?

I can understand firebug since they keep nerfing the microwavegun into uselessness but the flamethrower can still kill everything

But how the fuck is sharpshooter worse than generic machinegun man
the only thing commando is good for is spotting invisible people meanwhile swat is a commando clone with a slightly better grenade

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>>167104503
>three grenades
Unless the rest of your tram were demos so you were loaded on grenades, bad. It better be when he was surrounded by big guys

>>167105384
because sharpshooter sucks at clearing trash

>>167105384
The majority of the game is trash and sharpshooter isn't good at it.

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>>167105590
But my sidearms like the p90

>>167105384
Railgun is extremely boring to use, LAR is better on Gunslinger thanks to ReU+Tact Reload at the same time, plus 25% extra damage (not just headshot damage), Xbow is an inconsistent piece of shit and the M14 just makes you a slow Gunslinger with way less ammo.

>>167105741
i think the crossbow got fixed recently

>>167105915
It still fails to stun sometimes

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How to fix firebug:
>now cryotechnic
>uses liquid nitrogen based weapons to freeze
>makes enemies slower and makes attecks a little weaker and more sluggish
>spraying everywhere can now help the team

>>167106164

>Hit Scrake with Crossbow headshot while using extra stunning power perk.
>He rages.

jej

Clot ass is sexy!

>>167105727
or a SWAT could use that P90 and get more benefits from it

SWAT can also kill scrakes as easily as a sharp

Break time's over! Get back to work.

>Railgun is extremely boring to use
Uwotm8? What? You think the railgun is too good or something?

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>>167118689
>Aim at Scrake
>Scrake ded
>Aim at Fleshpound
>Let it autoaim the 2nd shot
>Fleshpound ded
Look at all this fun I'm having

>Usually play on hard.
>Decide to move up to Suicidal because I feel like a shitter when I'm the only level 25 in the group.
>Suicidal is pretty alright for the first few waves.
>Then we get to wave 5.
>3 scrakes and 1 FP spawn together.
>3 FPs and 2 scrakes spawn together.
>4 scrakes
>3 FPs and 3 scrakes
>A 16 inch barbed dildo spawns and rams itself up my ass.
How am I supposed to do with this. I'm just one support specialist. Unless I get 90% of the kills or don't buy a DB I'm not going to have enough money for a AA12 by then, and even that isn't enough to terminate all these large zeds. All pubs do is panic and back away until one of them snaps and enrages the whole pile. I can tussle with the scrakes but all these FPs just push my shit in.

>>167119360
I don't know about you, but that's pretty fun to me. Large zed is number one reason for team wipe and when i do those clean take down everyone else seem to really appreciate it.

When there's no large zed in view you're suppose to contribute to trash killing with you lever action or magnum. There isn't really a dull moment.

>>167119605
if your squad coordinates fp's should die instantly

yesterday i was playing HoE and 3 fleshpounds spawned as soon as they walked through the door they got barraged with nades and rpgs

by the time the dust and fire settled down they were all in pieces

don't piss off scrakes while there's still trash, clear everything then just stun the scrake and if all of you go ham on it it should die before it can charge one of you

>>167066387

Stumble Skill actually lets Double Barrel altfire raged fleshpounds, and lets AA12 can stumble scrakes. Can't do that with the backpack skill, and having stumble on support can be useful if you know youre going to be killing scrakes and fleshpounds frequently.

>>167087253
Take C4 with RPG and Desert Eagle for mid-late game. Two C4 + RPG instakills fleshpounds on 6player HoE. C4 is also super helpful for double/triple fleshpounds.

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>>167119360
Compared to just spamming LMB to the head a dozen times? Yeah it can be a oneshotter on screks which can take a little fun away but you're playing sharp, the sniper who is meant to be huge spike damage to targets when aimed properly.

If you want to smash your fire button more then just play gunslinger where you're also far more versatile for trash too. If sharp took as much work (click spam) as slinger to kill shit but without the higher ammo count and movement, literally nobody would have a reason to pick it.

As much as I like the m14 and using it, doing so does make you a poor mans gunslinger at the end of the day.

derp

>>167119605
Waves don't have very much consistency on Suicidal.

Not on my watch.

CASHTASTIC

MONEY TIDAL WAVE

It was nice having you around /kfg/ see you next update or tomorrow if you're still alive.

Don't let this shit die on me yet. I've still yet to learn HOE.

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>>167075821
You obviously don't pub HoE enough.

>Have all dart buffs equipped
>Random pub rages multiple big zeds
>Pub is dying and starts running at medic and the rest of the team, chaos in tow
>Team forced to kite
>Now medic is sprinting BACKWARDS along the whole kite path while spamming darts
>Gets caught on a zed because other pubs aren't covering the medic
>Pub, now buffed with sanic speed runs past medic, leaving medic with everything
>closes door on medic
>medic dies
>team wipes
>"Wow, shit healing"

Seriously senpai, fuck pubs.

>if you WANT your teammates to die.
I can't disagree. Better them than me.

>>167124854
This hurts me so much. m14 ebr is easily my favorite gun in this game, but I basically have to just play gunslinger instead

>>167136269

>Playing pub HoE

Why do you like to torment yourself?

>>167136269
Wait let me get this straight. So you're saying because there are sometimes bad pub players in HoE, you should therefore always play badly in pub HoE.

Do you see the circular logic here?

>>167137919

I don't.

>>167138009
If the desire is to have a good game (in HoE or otherwise) were everyone works together with team work to win then the first thing you have to do is be a team player yourself.

You can't on one hand bemoan the lack of team work in games while on the other hand pick skills that you know yourself to be bad for team work because "fuck these other guys".

That makes yourself part of the problems

So lads, what's the general consensus of Survivalist? Haven't tried it yet, but from what I've seen in a few Suicidal pubs, it's that they're just weaker commandos with RPGs and heal grenades.

>>167139682
bad

>>167139682

Fun with certain builds but you're better off playing another class.

>>167138269
The wrong eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. The right eye for an eye makes the pricks that didn't learn the first time blind.

In KF mostly you cooperate with the team in general by doing things proper, or you don't, so proper revenge is tricky. But possible, circumstantially.

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>>167136889
I'm sorry for those pains, but to restore that it can go one of two ways: buff sharp or nerf slinger, and I know the latter will only get an angry mob at me for suggesting it.

Saying that, its kinda funny how people had low expectations of slinger being a meme class on the wwaut announcement, but after maybe a month of being released, it was like the second coming of jesus.