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Cobe and Meer (before his aunt's cousins brother dies of cancer) have teamed up for the better of /wpsg/

Finns should be killed regardless of server.

Vanilla: Who cares

TBC:
Hellground: its coming back! The devs are wiping the old character database, adding back attunements, modifying raid content a little bit and releasing a progressive version of the server. This is the only chance we will get to play progressive TBC in a while on a server that isn't completely shit or P2W, and our resident e-celebs have banded together to make a /vg/ guild. Website: hellground.net.

Gummycraft (aka. Burning Crusade and Valiance WoW):
Gummy's advertising campaign for the server has been going well and its gaining traction amongst ledditors and the like. This one isn't progressive. Its also going to be hosted on the US (or in America at least, apparently). Quality-wise looks very good. Website: burning-crusade.com.

WOTLK:

<No Queue> - Gamer-district, Horde 7x/14x. No longer dead and trying to finish off the last 4 bosses of ICC HC 10m with no buff.

Northcraft. Beta coming soon. 1x rates. insta 68. Progressive.
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f-f-fucking finns
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fuck the finns
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in before wpsg shitters
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>>166556030
You forgot in the OP.

Cata:
Atlantiss.eu is the best Cataclysm server out there. Currently in 4.2 content, fully scripted and steady population (around 1.7k on weekdays, over 2k on weekends). Server is blizzlike, but you can use RaF to level at 4x rates from 1-80.

The guild is <wpsg>, level 18, if anyone needs invite, gold, bags etc just reply to this post! Currently awaiting more players to initiate a full revival.
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>>166556405

>fully scripted

>magmaw doesnt spawn worms
>omnitron agro table is fucked
>chimaeron doesn't knock the robot when Feud happens
>atramedes' gongs don't change the target of the beam in air-phase
>nef and onyxia's hitboxes are fucked
>skelly adds pathing is bugged

>fully scripted
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>>166554090
just at this trash, cannot even to memes
cannot even steal them right. make your parents happy and just fucking kys
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>>166556667
>off by one
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is the GD guild really active or just yet another meme?
Makes me wanna check if I still have some decent chars on there
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>>166556638
>yes it does
>very annoying but not exactly major, will only cause a wipe every once in a while
>you lose the invulnerability anyway, who cares
>yes it does
>annoying but minor
>just barely, and again minor
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>>166556830
Yeah we're genuinely going for it.
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>>166556903
Rolland
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>>166556830

Yes we've been raiding stably for 6 months now.

Our cata guild was killed by poles so we're coming back to finish WotLK
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>>166556863
>yes it does
No, it doesn't. t. person who did it last week.
>very annoying but not exactly major, will only cause a wipe every once in a while
I see, it's totally ok to wipe to improper threat scripting because it's only once in a while.
>you lose the invulnerability anyway, who cares
False, we tested it and you don't.
>yes it does
No it doesn't. t. person who did it last week.
The other 2 are genuinely minor, Nefs floor being completely garbage on the otherhand isn't.
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Hellshit wwu
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>>166556964
How does a whole guild get killed by poles?
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>>166556863

Magmaw doesn't spawn worms, we killed it last week on heroic, constructs are fine, but no worms.
Not a wipe but still something badly coded
You don't, we killed chim last week not stacking in feud and it didn't kill anyone.
Atramedes gongs don't work on air phase, we have to rotate CDs and sprints on the target so he survives, again, from last week
Again, minor doesnt make it less of a mistake
adds doing literal 0 damage is not minor, it's a encounter mechanic not working

try harder, atlantshill
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>>166556964
>>166556875
No decent horde characters, always played Ally on GD, unfortunately
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>>166557057
Bad scripting and constant 8manning because poles don't understand what turning up to raids means.
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>try to start playing lordaeron again
>wintergrasp is bugged as fuck, alliance have held wg for no exaggeration two weeks now
>guards spawn all together, so only one person gets the rank upgrade

jesus christ, the server has been up for how many years now? Even the poles on tod knew how to fucking spawn mobs at the right areas
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>>166557093
We're not gonna start seriously until the sunday after this one, so if you wanna gear up/level a character you'll have plenty of time.
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>>166557179
Might give it a shot. What do you need?
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>>166557017
>>166557084
Who are you and who are you actually raiding with, <wpsg> and <AA> have been dead for months.

And while T11hc has been fucked before, it definitely didn't have that many problems before, I'd have to see it for myself to actually be sure you're not bullshitting me.
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>>166557219
A tank or a dps with a healer OS are the ideal right now but we're in a spot where you can play anything.
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>>166557249

The best guild to ever spawn out of this shithole
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>>166557249
<Lobsterbacks> was what became of NoQ when Slav killed the guild with Meth binges. We've been doing it since ~Novemberish and the raids have just been fucking garbage scripting wise.
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How was SPriest back in TBC?

Token raid slot at 60 like before?
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>>166557538
Strong utility, you'd like to have at least 2 so you can feed healers and locks infinite mana
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>>166557538

1-3 spots for every raid
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>>166557342
>>166557328
>mfw barely recognise any names in that guild

Why would you even create the 4th Alliance guild in atlantiss? Why not just revive one of <wpsg> or <AA>. I don't get it.

I didn't even know wpsg still raided in atlantiss.
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>>166557572
>>166557579
Guess I know what I'm rolling when HG never comes out
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>>166557619

Threads were dead.

We migrated as a whole from GD so we wanted control of our own guild.
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>>166557538
scales like shit, god tier at t4-5 and hyjal/bt progression.
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>>166557671
I see, so you wanted to keep your own clique and gave up on 25m :^)

What's even your hc progression?
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>>166557840
>keep your own clique
>gave up on 25m
More like the threads were dead for a good few months, leaving us with no potential /wpsg/ recruits.
The progression is 8/12 HC, if my memory doesnt fail me.
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>>166557983
You mean 8/13 but yeah, that's basically the same <AA> and <wpsg> did. Too shit for any of the end bosses or council.
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>>166557983
>>166558150
Also, you could've recruited from discord even when the thread was dead. There are still some people who want to raid in atlantiss but simply don't have a guild to do so.
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>>166558150
>>166558290
Oh, I probably misunderstood you. I was thinking of LK progression instead of Cata.
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>>166558150
If you mean on atlantiss we barely got any HC progress in, There were so many raids where only 6 people showed up and a big break in the middle for xmas that I think we may have only managed 4/13 HC
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>>166558290
With Yarrick the manlet sperg about? I'd get banned just for having my own discord server.
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>>166558425
He's been demoted, no longer has powers :^)
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> join wpsg hg discord
> afraid to say anything cause will probably get sperg'd at for being a literal who
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>>166558502
>not banned
Nowhere near good enough.
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>>166558557
yeah well senna loves the manlet, they are in homosex relationship, nothing else can be done
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>>166558542
Solution: become a non literal who

>>166558557
He has severe autism, please be understanding.
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>>166558694

I'll try, senpai.
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>>166533187
No, warlocks were much stronger in vanilla.
They had both damage and survivability and CC.
BC nerfed CC for no reason (real reason: shitters cried too much), nerfed damage through resilience, leaving only survivability, but only for SLs.

>destro and deep affliction
Please.

Destro is straight up broken in BC, it doesn't work mechanically, there's not enough stat allocation on pvp gear to support destro, also pillar humping make casting impossible (CC nerf doesn't help), no defense talents whatsoever

Deep affliction is just faceroll tier, no skill required.
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>>166559031
>implying CC in pvp is ever a good thing

CC being so prevalent in wow pvp is one of the main reasons it's never been taken seriously.
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>>166559213

And it's why lego legends is so much more competitive than dota, right? :^)
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>>166559213
>I know absolutely nothing, the post
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>>166559031
>warlock crying about being shit in PvP
Try being a mage. True suffering. Diminishing returns gimp your control and resilience fucks your burst, not to mention the pillar humping that destroys your casts.
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>>166559283
It's part of the reason why lego legends has a much bigger pro scene than dota, yes :^)
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>>166559318

lmaoing @ u
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>>166559213
CC is good, it just has to be the right kind of CC.
CC needs to be strong, but easily broken.

Spammable CC that lasts 1-2 seconds is dumb, though.
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>>166559283
Riot has always kept AoE crowd controls on a tight leash and it worked pretty nicely for the development of the pro scene, yes.

>>166559393
>prize pools meaning shit

LoL teams have much bigger salaries, streams are much more popular, sponsorships are bigger.

You literally can't compare the dimension of DotA's pro scene to LoL's, it's worlds apart.
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>>166559295
"Warlocks are pvp gods" is a 2.0 meme.

As of 2.4.3 warlocks suck dick on all fronts.

Well, maybe not as much as mages, but mages keep spellstealing my nether protection or fel domination, so I'm pretty butthurt about that.

Resilience should have been straight up damage reduction, not crit reduction.

Actually, it shouldn't have even existed.
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>>166559393
>muh prize pools

League streamers do over 1M a year just from stream revenue (ads + donations).
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>>166559484

So what you're saying is.. league is a bigger game, not that it has a more vibrant competitive scene.

Only babbies complain about CC, since it's a few seconds where they can't mash buttans.
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>>166559570
>streaming
>competitive

lmao senpai
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>>166559637
You can argue all you want about competitiveness, but it's entirely irrelevant in keeping games afloat (see: SC2). League is a much bigger game than DotA, and part of the reason is the lack of retarded, unavoidable CC that restricts you from PLAYING THE GAME.

>>166559594
"vibrant" competitive scene? LoL has a healthy competitive scene and is a much bigger game, that's what I'm saying. Compare viewership numbers of Worlds to TI, you can make all the arguments you want, but saying that DotA is more competitive that LoL because it has a more complex teamfighting pattern (which per se is debatable) is arguing semantics.
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>>166559906

>retard redditor lolbab doesnt know Dota is watched through the in-game client and not twitch

end yourself
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This is wow general take your mobashit elsewhere homos.
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>>166559484

> Riot has always kept AoE crowd controls on a tight leash and it worked pretty nicely for the development of the pro scene, yes.

What a stupid statement. You should know that Riot's game design philosophy caters ENTIRELY to casuals. They don't try to make things fair, they just try to make it so everybody has "fun" and nobody gets mad.

The only thing they do for the pro scene is dump money into it to artificially inflate it. Money made from 12 year olds with mommy's credit card buying skins.
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>>166559957

Thread's dead anyway, faggot.
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>>166559906
League is bigger because its accessable so a chimp could play it.
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>abloo bloo warlocks and mages suck in pvp

I did sl/sl for 3 seasons and managed to hit 2k, and I fucking suck at warlock pvp. Every mage in our guild was well over 2k.

Gitgud.
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>>166559959
>The only thing they do for the pro scene is dump money into it

jee, i wonder what valve does.
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>>166559959
>You should know that Riot's game design philosophy caters ENTIRELY to casuals

So you mean, the majority of the people? Not everyone can be an autistic failure shutin who spends his entire life playing videogames in their mommy's house.

>They don't try to make things fair, they just try to make it so everybody has "fun" and nobody gets mad.

Translation:
>They try to keep a healthy balance between skill floors without reducing skill ceilings from certain mechanics in order to promote a fun game for everyone regardless of time invested

Those monsters... why can't I pwn some noobs with my unavoidable point and click CC!!11!1

>The only thing they do for the pro scene is dump money into it to artificially inflate it.

Kek, literally a clueless DotA drone.
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>>166560286
2.0 != 2.4.3

Also,
> I fucking suck at warlock pvp
>sl/sl
It's impossible to not suck or suck at sl/sl.
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>>166559906
>League is a much bigger game than DotA
It is? Because they don't publish numbers, just "over 6 billion accounts made".
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t26i6o0Ux2s
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>>166560286
>implying mage doesn't have it far harder than it should have compared to other classes
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>>166559031
>>166559295

wow I knew this general was bad at pvp, but I never it was 1600

warlocks and mages have both been two of the strongest classes in this game in pvp. Here's a little test to know if you're garbage: Do you think mages ever struggled in pvp in tbc or wotlk? If you answered yes, you are bad and should stop commenting on anything related to pvp. Stick to 15 year old scripted instances
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>>166561543
>muh patch 2.0 broscience
Nah fuck off mate, I am a private server pro and only 1.12/2.4.3/3.3.5a matter, everything else is irrelevant in the context of pservers.
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>>166561659

huh? Mages have never been bad through s1-8, sure they weren't always as strong as they were in late wrath, but they have never "struggled" in pvp. Who the fuck actually believes that? Honestly if you struggle as a frost mage in pvp you need to stop clicking and start breathing through your nose
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feenix wwu
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>>166564513
I ain't talking about mages though, i don't care about mages.

2.4.3 has nerfs that made warlocks a lot weaker than they were at the start and mid of TBC, and actually pretty shit.
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>>166564787
Fuck off, Pickles.
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what does "wwu" mean? I know what "ww@" means, but not "wwu"
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>>166565454
We waiting u
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>>166565454
we waitin u
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>>166565454
We are waiting you <to join this server>.
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>>166564513
Spotted the druid or warlock nigger.
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>>166564895

>and actually pretty shit

hahahahahahah

2.43 was s4

warlocks absolutely dominated in s4, alongside druids. Dude, warlocks were never weak in that expansion, it is pretty much the warlock expac. I don't even understand how somebody could come to the conclusion "warlocks are weak" in the burning crusade
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>>166556405
ally or horde?
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>>166556405
WHat about GD's <wpsg>? I miss you guys
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>>166556405
>atlantiss
>cata

I have over 20 well geared chars there that maintain 20-30k dps and a level 80 mage that can do 50k
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Cobe is OFFICIALLY reviving <wpsg> on atlantiss.eu

Be there or be square.
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>tfw started a new char on atlantiss and got invited to a lvl 25 guild and dont wanna join wpsg because its lvl 18
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>>166556903
Here!
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ATTENTION

does anyone know if goblin rocket boots explode and get destroyed properly on nost/elysium?
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>>166567749

3 years playing vanilla and I never saw goblin rocket boots "get destroyed properly" despite being hardcore engifag pvper. wtf?
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>>166566517
Name one class a warlock can defeat 1v1 in 2.4.3
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>>166568393

every healer
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>>166568393
hunter
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>>166568446
wrong
>>166568451
wrong
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>>166568619
ok trump
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>>166568393
warlocks eat mages for breakfast
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>>166568619

show glad titles or get the fuck out
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>>166568393
mage
priest
hunter
non resto druid
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>>166568728
WRONG
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>>166568393
another warlock
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>>166568393
DKs
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51xjZ_PRI8c
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>>166568665
Frost mages destroy warlocks dude
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Is hellground going to be good? You guys know this host from before or what?
I come in peace from elysium and that shit is fucking stupid chink village i cant take that shithole anymore.
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>>166569491
No, Meer tricked us again
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>>166569383
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>>166569491
It's the least shit tbc that was ever released.
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>>166569491

You'll go from stupid chink village to stupid dead village occasionally has some poles who are their own kind of fucking terrible.
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>>166569491
>Is hellground going to be good?
HG is (probably) the less bad scripted private TBC server, and the reset could bring a lot of people and is a chance to do progressive content. Just play with some normies instead of some botnet loving clique of server-hoppers.
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>>166569491
seconding this, also what population is to be expected? Not worth it if all we'll get is some 400 player shitshow
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>>166569775
>Just play with some normies instead of some botnet loving clique of server-hoppers.

This, honestly.

Worst decision possible to follow the whims of /wpsg/'s literal whos
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>>166570203
probably 2k. no way to know really.
Not much hype around it (hg staff don't want hype)
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>>166569740
this is absolutely disgusting
>>166570203
it's really impossible to know until it launches. not nost levels, that's for sure, but there's tons of people that have been waiting for a tbc server and this is their chance.
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Found this on reddit xd
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>>166570297
>Not much hype around it (hg staff don't want hype)

Then they'll have a shitty population.

Don't have to make it the second coming of christ but if you want your server to be decent you should at least put its name out there a little.
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Any news on Hellground? im really eager to play TBC again.
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>>166570573
They said there would be an announcement about the release sometime this weekened.
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>>166570573
Earlynever.
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>>166570447
>pence
>not an elemental shaman
yeah they fucked up
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>>166570784
ebin
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>>166570573
March
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>>166570447
Is Trump, dare I say, /our guy/?
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>>166570879
fuck that orange nigger
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>>166570879
/wpsg/ has a lot of non-whites so no
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>>166569375
>chat is 100% Polish
uhm guys?
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>>166571512
shill hg on reddit or something
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>>166570515
they know the core wont handle more than 2.5k pop at reasonable quality
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>>166570515
2k is far more than enough for a tbc server. My retail server had about 1100 people and there were always things to do.
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who /going to go ham on hg/ here?
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>>166571907
>whit
>first's
>u
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who playing with /f-f-fucking finns/ here
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how long would it take to hit 70 on HG assuming ahead of the pack(if there is a pack at all)?like /3 days played?
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>>166572493
>t. f-f-fucking finn
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>>166572534
probably 4-5days
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>>166572534
>3 days

Retail baby confirmed
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>>166572493
Me
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>still no name picked for HG
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>>166573826
Mongolian Redditors
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>>166573826
You literally have months
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>>166574012
For my character
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>>166571035
>>166571031
reddit
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does anyone want to play smolderforge for a few hours so we can learn everything there is to know about tbc pvp?
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Going to read all the quest text in outlands this time.
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>>166574669
already did acouple skirmishes there as a lock a few days ago, now i'm veng glad material.
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>>166572832

That was my guess because it is x2 xp...excuse me for not remembering how fast you could do 1-70 on tbc after all these years
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>>166573826
It's <Asskatz>
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>>166571512
yeah better stay out, back atlantis with me
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>>166572493
me
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Its always fun to read text promoting a server like
YEAH EVERYTHING IS SO COOL AND SCRIPTED
then you log in and you can´t even fish in cities, server is almost dead and its bugged like every other server that probably uses the same core 90% of the servers use.
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>>166574870
my druid too 3d3h
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>>166572784
>>166574870

Thanks
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>>166575363
Because most of the people who make private servers are literal retards who think scripting one fight or an NPC is an accomplishment
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>>166575363
yes
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Gul'dan, order your Warlocks to double their efforts! Moments from now, the gateway will open and your Horde will be unleashed on this ripe, unsuspecting world.
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>>166577298
Sargeras, pls go
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>>166557342
So, they only guild doing something decent (limited ilvl raiding instead of steamrolling with 378 BoEs) is actually a VG guild. Only guild of the whole server.
You wanna say locals on atlantiss are THAT bad?
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>>166578718
Almost like the only people sad and stupid enough to take Cata seriously are /vg/ members.
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>>166578718
The locals and the server. If they're a decent player they end up being shitty as a person (sperging out over 2 rogues because muh loot).
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>>166578860
How goes your Lord /vg/ guild?
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playground
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what did he meme by this? <you> cleared to vezax on day 1 in 25 and had kill records for multiple bosses then to my knowlege did most of the hardmodes the next day on 10 that corruptcore never took anyone else to
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>>166581479
Probably means actual boss kill time which wouldn't make any sense either
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>>166581479
I meant what I said...?

We cleared the entire instance up to Yogg0 p3 in half the time, and did it without a single piece of Naxx25 or Uld25 gear in the raid.
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>>166579046
I hope they, at least, don't meme "Focused Insight" for 10 mans.
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>>166581920
>do naxx 10 once then move on the uld
>guys we did it so fast :DDD
Do you expect a 25 man guild to not use 25 man gear from the previous tier or something? Are you telling me that in retail your Top 10 World guild didn't use Naxx 25 gear during Ulduar progression?
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>>166581479
>your guild
I'll slap your fat american ass back to the stone age.

fucking yanks
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>>166581920
how is it possible for you to have cleared the raid in half the time if they cleared it on the first day? i get that your ego wont let you admit you arent as good as you think but i dont see how it is even possible to have cleared in "half the time" if they did the raid in a day?

even in marxmen it took us longer than you malleus kill loot repeat and unknown
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>>166581920
what you claim isnt even possible because cobes gorrubtgore group cleared all but mimi hm then went back once to try it and never went back and i remember mememeister (you i presume) being in a screenshot of that run with celie and someone else being dead next to a minefield. i doubt your guild cleared all hm but mimi in a day
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>>166582096
No? <You> 25 didn't even get firefighter, I tanked for both guilds. There was a <You> 10 man group as well...

>>166582196
get carried, limey

you were in the chat when Senna and I were talking, retard :^)

>>166582603

They didn't clear uld10 HC in one day.
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>>166583115
I didn't say anything about 25 man Firefighter I said do you expect a guild to not use 25 man gear from the previous tier for 10 man Ulduar progression? Answer the question. Not a single retail guild gimped themselves by forcing their 10 man group to only use 10 man Naxx/EoE/OS gear during Uld 10 progression.
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>>166583115
Implying I have notifications on the hg discord, far too spammy.
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>>166583387
Why would 25 man farmers suddenly shrink to 10 man?
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>>166582603
We never full cleared Ulduar 10 HC. Cobe's group did all but Mimiron HC and obviously Yogg 0 on the first day then never went back until one of the last weeks the server was alive then stopped attempts on Mimi because Avanine's boypussy hurt.
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>>166583387
Fair enough, no I don't expect that.

But we did it anyways and did so spending half the time on bosses.

Not to mention the context of what I said was after Senna had given me shit for our (<You>) Thorim25 attempts and me bringing up the fact that I know a better strat, which he didn't want to try. Seeing as he was the raid leader, I didn't say anything else and continued doing what he said. We were busting balls.

Are we done trying to stir up drama now? I'm gonna take a nap :^)
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>>166583923
>did so spending half the time on bosses
how would you know if you werent in the guild until near the end of the server?

id consider: >>166583720
to be pretty damn fast
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>>166583923
<No Queue> spent weeks in Ulduar 10
<You> spend 2 raid lockouts
If that isn't a serious difference then I don't know what is
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>>166584286
No Queue spent 3 lockouts and had got Herald by then. Don't try to twist words to misrepresent a fact
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>>166583923
we tried your strat and the melee got hit by sif's blizzards dude and you sperged out at senna for an image of how to position the boss when he wasnt the one that even posted it it was that hunter from prestige worldwide we recruited
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>>166581479
Nobody takes him seriously he is tyrranis tier bad/delusional
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>>166584597
><No Queue> got Herald in 3 lockouts
Your guild certainly did not. You're comparing raid clear speed on a server that you can sit there and reset heroics all day to get full Ulduar 10 gear in a few hours and abuse the bogus currency rates to craft all the Ulduar crafted gear that you wouldn't be able to afford let alone farm for on 1x gold rates. I don't know either of your guilds well but this argument alone makes me question your mental health because no sane person would think you could even remotely compare the two.
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>>166585081
But I didn't let people do that, I have an addon that explicitly checks for gear that people can and can't use.
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>>166584597
It's not even possible to get a raid fully geared enough for Herald in 3 lockouts without incredible drop RNG. What server was this on?
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>>166585217

please tell me more
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>>166585258
Algalon Vezax and Yogg sentinels hit like a wet noodle on GD so I can see it honestly but other bugs sort of help balance it out
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>>166585264
FREAK and I changed the herald list to include Conquest gear.
>>166585258
As a guild we always had rather good dps so those kinds of checks were never an issue. Tanks gained more passive mititgation compared to Ulduar release and yeah Algalon did fuck all for damage sadly.
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>>166585486
>FREAK and I changed the herald list to include Conquest gear.
plus a bunch of other shit like ToC 5 man stuff and ICC 5 man gear. Anything above 232 ilvl was already flagged.
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>>166585486

>dps relevant in icc patch

you are so retarded, you can kill algalon with 2 minutes left in enrage with naxx gear
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You retards do realize that he doesn't actually believe his guild was vastly superior to <You> right? Nobody in their right mind would compare a 7x rates guild/raid to a 2x xp/1x everything else guild/raid. He just shitposts to rile up the children and you all fall for it repeatedly.
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Altered the check list so it also checked for toc5/toc5HC gear.
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>>166585710
So then why are you using gear as an argument?
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>>166585748
Ulduar 10 badge and crafted gear are usable for Herald because they're 219/226

Also look at the screenshot in the OP almost everyone there has full T8 and have runed orb gear on. So somebody is lying.
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>>166586075
I'm just saying that we got herald legit without using any gear outside of ulduar, that's all.
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>>166586075
>runed orb gear on
No
>full T8
Yes, 10m does indeed still drop T8.
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>herald of the titans in icc patch

LMAO
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGpRORzFiHc
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>>166584597
You did it in 6. Why are you lying when it takes 30 seconds to verify on GD armory?
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It took them longer to kill normal mode bosses than it took the shitters in <You> to kill the hard mode variants LOL
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>>166587386
What browser are you using? Mine won't load the achievement page.
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>>166587463
I use Mozilla
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>>166587386
>comparing post nerf to pre nerf
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>>166587062
Week 1 we had to pug a few because of no shows. Week 2 was when it properly started so AT MOST it was 4 lockouts, that is by your screenshot logic, once again stop trying to twist shit so you can shitpost.
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>>166587819
GD Armory literally shows it as 6 lockouts.
The 3rd of July through the 7th of August is 6 raid lockouts. Typical American can't even do maths.
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Reminder that Elysium will be ready to take you back when your little guild dies in a week or two.
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>>166587964
What part of
>Week 1 was spent having to pug
Do you not understand?
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>>166588083
hold up, you saying week one was spent having to pug.
PUG?
ON A ICC SIM SERVER
264+ ilvl people
hold up
TWO HUNDRED SIXTY FOUR PLUS ITEM LEVEL AND YOU STILL COULDNT KILL KEEPERS?
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>>166588083
So even with pugs using cheater gear because NOBODY but /vg/ guilds do actual progression it still took you until the 3rd week to even clear the raid normally? And you call yourself better than a guild that cleared all the HC fights but 1 on their first day? Don't make me fucking laugh
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>>166588310
>>166588297
GD is a server where 264 geared people are physically incapable of OS3D.
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>>166588310
>this general has world class players that have been in top 50 world guilds and multiglad
:^)
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>>166588083
>Cobes guild clears most hm in day 1 on pre nerf
>Your guild takes 4 lockouts to even kill them on normal when their nerfed and in some cases very bugged to do much less damage then their supposed to
Sir are you feeling dizzy?
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>>166588534
>Your guild takes 4 lockouts to even kill them on normal when their nerfed and in some cases very bugged to do much less damage then their supposed to
Or they're so bugged they aren't beatable and we have to wait a week for a gm to fix it.
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>>166588534
>you doesn't kill yogg without all the keeper
>you spends many lockouts trying to kill yogg
>you never even steps foot in algalons room


????
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>>166588719
So you openly admit to playing on a bugged shithole where some bosses do far too little damage after Kain has had YEARS to fix them and where he still outright breaks fights? All while claiming to be better than a guild that did the majority of those fights pre nerf in a quarter of the time?
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>>166588765
>many lockouts trying to kill yogg
iirc they spent like 5 days of the same lockout in 25 man
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lets be real tho, none of this even fucking matters because every private that has ever existed has undertuned mechanics coded by some slav intelligent enough to not make things legacy hard or everyone would quit
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>>166588429
That's actually impressively bad
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>>166588920
The hellground dev is making some decent efforts to make things prenerf
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>>166588880
It was 2. We spent 4 hours on Sunday then 2 hours Monday.
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>>166588765
>15+ retards bring down the elite
wow that's astounding doesn't change the fact that you blatantly lied. gz on taking 4 lockouts to kill normal bosses that a guild that took 2 days to kill yogg did on heroic in 1 day
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Does anybody play on Warmane?

I was thinking about joining that server.
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>>166590041
I used to play there before the wipe
had alot of bugs

played after the wipe
still alot of bugs

only decent 3.3.5 is Gamer-District

t.knower
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>>166590049
fucking hell
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test kara!
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>>166556030
just killing a boar in elwynn forest as usual
somebody comes by amd says "hi"
sperg ot alt-tab and shut the game off
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>>166593741
he means 26th i think
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>>166590049
It's all ogre. Late march it is.
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>>166588878
Bugged != Easier

Mimiron's body cannons crit when in Firefighter mode in both phases, Algalon's Big Bang hit for harder than it should have, Thorim leapfrogged and dropped threat when engaged with Sif active...

ToD wasn't without bugs either. Keep in mind a lot of us raided with <You> as well.

Also,

>pre-nerf

Stop it.
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>>166595389
Why would they close testing if it was that far away?
I think they will release on the 4th.
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>>166595584
He said maintenance. Late march confirmed.
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>>166595769
rip
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>>166595769
he also said that we wont be able to test after it, so it means hes closing testing.
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>>166595540
>bosses have pre-nerf health and damage values which it takes a simple google search to verify
>bosses have pre-nerf mechanics still
>not pre-nerf
What else would you call it?
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>>166596464
Probably means that you can't test it during the maintenance with your current accounts.

OR they are wiping the account database during the maintenance
WHO KNOWS?!?
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>>166596464
He said that every bug report is saved so they wont have to be reported again. I bet its gonna be public test with new accounts, in which case, late march confirmed.
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never thought i would want to play on hellshit this much
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>>166596670
Or that we won't have to report things that were reported during testing once we are on the real realm?!
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>>166596491
Not pre-nerf...?

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_3.3.0

Feel free to read why boss health and damage values are the least of what 'pre-nerf' would mean for Ulduar in 3.3+
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>>166598068
this would never have happened if Yarrick were mod still
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HG launch on the fourth
t. polish insider
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>>166598836
If you're wrong then I'm coming to Poland and blowing myself up in a public place in the name of Allah
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>>166598836
>t. polish insider
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y so ded, thred
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>>166601842
everyone is busy playing on Atlantiss RIGHT NOW
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>>166602040
kek
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>>166602389
whats the server senpai
i wanna join
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>>166602389
>but i can't admin abuse people who disagree with me there
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>>166602389
>hating based cobe
harmoo can die in a coffee field but leave my boyfriend alone
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>>166602389
Every yarrick sperg out ever
>yarrick spergs out
>present the truth
>he just tells you to fuck off and admin abuses you

Reminder, he hates the peg leg meme
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>BWG and Harmoo weebing out
Gas them now
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>>166603016
what?
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>>166602868
>>166603016
>>166603878
Reminder that this is fair game now that Yarrick's admin is gone
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wheres alantiss guild niggers
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>>166604273
Cobe hasn't downloaded Cata yet but when he does...
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>>166604586
i will lead you retards to daethwing and pruples get on its not hard stupid cuck
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>>166605179
>great ass
>great legs
>sexy feet
>feminine chin
>white teeth
perfect girl desu
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>>166605179
delet this
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>>166605259
She could be a landwhale and I would still do anal with her considering that shit she took. Fucking awesome.
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>>166556903
Roll
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Please tell me the weebs are going to be kicked out on HG. I don't want to deal with them
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>>166606778
Cobe-sama and Meer-kun would never do such a thing.
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>>166608892
Nice post, cuckumbers.
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>>166608892
pickles...
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>>166608892
Alex....
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This general is genuinely awful. I haven't seen one single redeeming post in over a week of lurking.
Why do you even keep making threads? Does whining about finns and gossiping about guilds and players ACTUALLY entertain you?
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>>166610456
This post is genuinely awful. I haven't seen one single redeeming part in it in over one minute of reading it over and over.
Why do you even keep posting?Does whining about the state of the general and looking like a retard ACTUALLY entertain you?
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>>166610456
Don't worry, we'll have a server soon. It's right around the corner.

But until then come Atlantiss wwu
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>>166610930
I'd rather play retail than Atlantiss uwu desu senpai
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>there are people in this thread right now that are so devoid of taste in video games and have zero life to speak of that they're actually paying a monthly sub for retail and/or grinding gold for the token EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THEIR LIVES
Consider this fact as you smugly pity their miscreant existences.
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Can you retards pick a server
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>>166615358
hellground (atlantiss)
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>>166602040
Reminder not to pick shitty specs.
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hey guys play with me on new feenix server
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>>166556030
>Hellground
>not completely shit

Meer..
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Got 5 friends on Warmane Neltharion (cata) wanting to do 10m stuff if anyone wants to join us
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>>166616825
>lolten
kys
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>>166617171
>implying atlantiss and GD is not the same shit in terms of quality and bugs
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>>166617818
delet this
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>>166617818
Cobe, what hath your foul wish wrought upon this thread?
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>>166618392
delet this
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>>166618315
god i fucking love cobe
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>>166618392
nnniiiiiiiiiice
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>>166618516
Other then Yarrick who doesn't?
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>>166618848
glaston
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>>166618848
I don't like him, I don't DISLIKE him but I don't like him either.
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>>166618895
Judging by the SD Discord over the past couple months I'd reckon they're friends again.
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>>166619092
You missed the part where I said I don't do drugs anymore!!
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>>166618848
Wouldn't go as far as to say I love him but I do thinks he's a really cool guy
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>>166619092
yeah it WAS different: it was much better
>>
im testing karazhan on HG tomorrow. what should i look for?
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>>166619148
What anime is this?
>>
>>166619515
Do the beams show up on Netherspite?
Does Aran occasionally pull you in during flame wreath? (might take a lot of genuine testing and not just XD LETS RUN KARA to figure if that happens)
Does Prince still get the dance hall attack speed boost?
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>>166619562
Hibike! Euphonium
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>>166620220
delet this
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Cobe, try to contain your autism.
>>
I used to be able to play wow for 24 hours straight.

Now I get legit mentally tired after a couple hours.

Am I getting old?
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>>166620904
You're older this year than you were last year so yeah, you are in fact getting older.
>>
Autistic fucking retard.
>>
Meer is addicted to booze
Cobe is addicted to SSRI's
Ituh is addicted to weed

How do we pick them /wpsg/?
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>>166621368
>Meer is addicted to booze
You forgot cough syrup.
>>
>>166620904
Yes, I started to get totally fatigued after ~27. I get dizzy after couple of hours, can't think straight and sleep like 12h after playing
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kill yourself stupid third world nigger
>>
Cobe, kill yourself already.
>>
>this thread
>>
ily Cobe. Sweet dreams.
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>>166621368
>How do we pick them /wpsg/?
Who do you want to pick, gym normie? NEET can't be a leader either.
>>
thank you based janitors
>>
You have truly weapons-grade autism, cobe.
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>>166622703
Proof that it's Cobe?
>>
>>166622880
Don't have any but I know it is, I can feel it
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>>166623170
You aren't fooling anyone Cobe (Glaston)
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>>166623585
If this is art then did you get your inspiration from
>>
>i'm le not cobe I promise xd
Fuck off, cobe.
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>>166623825
Nice try attempting to divert the attention away from yourself Cobe (Glaston (Maditude))
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>>166623825
Still waiting on proof that it's Cobe
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mods just delete thread
>>
>Cobe goes to bed and the literal shitposter amps up the posts while pretending to argue with himself about it being Cobe posting and it not being Cobe all in a clever game of cat and mouse to make people think it actually is Cobe

You can't hide forever Cobe (Glaston (Maditude (Anoka)))
>>
>American hours
>thread devolves into literal shitposting

maybe I should just play with the Finns
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>>166627391
or get a clock that works you foreign FUCKING RETARD SHIT

bump :^)
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>>166627571
But he does. American hours never work, anyway (^:
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holy shit these NA fags hahahah
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What kind of person finds posting the same scat webm over and over again in a thread about WoW private servers entertaining or funny?
>>
hey what server should i play on
>>
Any females or females(male) in the guild? Want to make sure before I roll warrior(tank) need to protect those cuties and none of you low test betas.
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>>166628938
this isn't /elyg/, fuck off to there with your healslut faggotry
>>
le aunt poisoner
>>
bwg is gay
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>>166627391
good thinking if you want to progress further than kara.
even ammerrrikan bantz have been niggerfied, elementary school -level with some naughty words added
>>
What happened to warmane?
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>>166631051
Kill yourself, moltard.
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>>166621516

Check your eyesight, you probably suffer from eye fatigue
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>>166628106
where do you think we are?
>>
jh
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f-f-fucking finns
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bump
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>>166634762
>para have alter guild nane vedio game
Always gets me
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>>166636610

f-f-fucking finns
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>>166638050
Paragorn is best :D and butthurt :D
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Burgers are sleeping. Notice how there's no shitposting.
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>>166639673
>shitposting
Yeah, literal webms of people shitting
typical yanks...
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los fixed in 5minutes by some polish kid

CORECRAFT BTFO
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>>166628938
Fuck off Pan"micro dick"cakes
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>>166640967
Why is he such a thirsty motherfucker? Every time I see him posts in the discords it's him looking for a gf or bf
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>>166641113
Just look at his face dude. It radiates virginity.
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>>166641132
>face
Post pic
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>>166641186
Dude, how fucking new are you?
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Doesn't he just ooze sex appeal?
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>>166641247
>>166641354
pickles != pancucks
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>>166641354
With the WoW skills he has I'd let him destroy my boi puccy whenever he'd like
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>>166641439
My bad b, as soon as I saw micro dick, my brain automatically went to pickrell.
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>>166641247
>taking about pancakes
>posts a pic of pickles
Are you projecting your newfag status on to me?
>>
Kek pancakes is literally the skeleton leaf faggot
>>
poopytreats.webm
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>>166641614
stfu fant
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>>166641614
Fuck poopy treats,, let's talk about how Judy has some fat tits
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>>166641645
>Judy will never mommy dom you
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>>166641725
Do you think she does anal? I mean, she must have. That look in her eyes. You just KNOW she's a freak.
>>
>>166641614
unironically kys fant
t.bdc(pontos)
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>>166641781
Yeah of course she does because of thebpoopie treats
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>>166641880
Shiet. No wonder pickrell is so obsessed with poop.
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>>166641875
I don't bully fant?
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>>166641952
stop samefagging,we all know its you
>>
Gas the animes
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>>166642028
nuh huh
>>
What 4chan needs is to IP ban the entire US. They literally bring nothing of value to the site. Just shit and cuckposting.
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>>166642329
Only shitposting keeps this general alive.
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>>166642329
>f-fucking Americans!
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>>166642329
I know this is b8 but
>Ban burgers on a burger website, using an invention burgers made
Nah
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>>166644668
i think finnish people invented web browsers
check mate
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>>166644668
Actually this is a Japanese website owned by a Japan person
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Who needs shiro when we have koostosh
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>>166634762
>>166638050
sums this thread perfectly. SAD!
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Pantheon will save you.
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>>166645578
Looks like a shittier looking guild wars desu
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>>166645578
Is this the Dark Souls of MMORPGs?
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>>166646240
Sure
>>
I want to play wow
>>
I want to play retail
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I want to play hellshit
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Hellground when?
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>>166647157
Feb 4th.
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>>166647035
atlantiss.eu wwu
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>>166647201
Pickrell why aren't you sleeping?
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>>166647238
wasnt me
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>>166647336
this wasnt me
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>>166647336
>>166647418

all me
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>>166649315

based retard
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REEEE
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>>166652229
topkek
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The thing I like most about Atlantis is it's claims to be Blizzlike. Every private server claims to be Blizzlike in one way or another, but there's a huge difference. While the lagfests and Cyrillic, alien languages plague nearly all popular private servers, they use Blizzlike as an advertisement. Not Atlantiss. Atlantiss uses Blizzlike as a homage to what they've completely revamped and improved upon in a way that the original author could never accomplish. It's objectively and literally a tip of the fedora at the original Cata team while saying "We'll take it from here." That's not funserver, that's betterserver. That's Atlantiss Blizzlike.
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>>166652646
*hurls bone at you*
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When will Yarrick learn, /wpsg/?
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>>166652646
Don't bully based Atlantiss players.
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Looks like cobe woke up.
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>>166655945
I've been up since 4 AM PST thanks for your concern
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>>166656120
Sure thing buddy.
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>>166656279
Not everyone is a NEET sir
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>>166656459
Surely not you, right? Why, you're too busy going outside every day and kissing women on the mouth.
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>>166656523
That would be correct. Very astute observation coming from you anon, gold star for you!
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>>166656881
Keep your stars to yourself, you literal shitposter.
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>>166656952
Yeah sorry I'll tone it down, you know me haha I just love poop so much I can't stop posting it! Neck yourself you fucking moron.
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>taking credit for my work
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>>166657425
>wasn't me
Stooping down to pickrell's level. Sad!
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>>166657496
What are you talking about? I'm the literal shitposter dude :^)

t. Cobe
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>>166657783
If you don't give credit where it is due their will be consequences
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>>166657891
Please man anything but the consequences
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>>166657891
>their
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>>166657891
gee I wonder who might be behind this post
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>>166658202
certainly not you glaston
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>>166658296
who?
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>>166658361
what?
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>>166658408
Nyhm, baby.
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don't die on me
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>>166662593
hold me
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>people actually play elysium
????????
??


??????????????????????????????????
???
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>>166662829

That's only when they take a break from coming here to shitpost on HG opening in late march with no evidence.
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lol is he truly this mad over another discord being made? no wonder americans die at 60. you're all obese and eternally ass pained over nothing.
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>>166666041
>going into the /wpsg/ discord when people like yarrick anoka and cunnybunny are there
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>>166666463
This
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>>166666041
Have you been living under a rock? He hasn't shut up about the hg discord for almost a week.
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atlantiss
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>>166666041
Idk why anyone tolerates yarrick. Biggest fag this thread has seen
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>>166666041
According to his argument with Cobe the other day he's pissed that Cobe wouldn't give his salty dog friends any special treatment on TOD and him making a new discord for the people that left the wpsg one because of Yarrick to play drove him over the edge. Basically he's a whiny bitch.
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So what i can expect from HG?
>Finns take all realm firsts
>/wpsg/ disband after 2 weeks of wiping in kara
>poles abuse wintrading in arena
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>>166667707
If by finns you mean people they manage to poach from here and a large group of poles/eastern euros with finns "leading" then yes
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>>166667707
The Finns aren't even good
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>>166666463
>>166667095
Say that to my face cuckie instead of online
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>>166667947
>>166667990
Finns are just the upper class of their guild and they recruit poor and lonely "people" from wpsg so they can keep funneling gear to the core group. Every now and then someone manages to become part of the core by proving themselves worthy.
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>>166667707

finns are not even trying for realm firsts, it says on their forum post
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is feenix down?
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>>166668473

What exactly is the value of realm firsts on 10 year old content? What does it prove other than "you are the group with the most NEETs"
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>>166669089
the same value of /wpsg/ guilds claiming they did content of their expansion better/faster than others: ego.
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Feb 4th confirmed
http://forums.hellground.net/topic/49230-hellground-new-adventure-intro
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AAA HABBENING
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>>166673612
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>>166673345
>>166673612
>>166673704

All me ;)
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>>166673345
tricked me
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>>166556030
You guys think Hellground will have a decent population?
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>>166678658
Yeah a decent population of poles lmao
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I wish I were on HG right now doing AB and shit
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>>166679237
not for another month buddy
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>>166678658
It's gonna be blizzlikish, ~3k imo, it will fall to 1.5k, 70% Polish

I don't think there is a chance for a pure /wpsg/ 25man guild though. It was impossible before, back when every other guy from the thread had a lvl 70 char and the server was piss easy with all the benefits of patch 2.4.3.
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>>166679317
T4 will happen, I think. Think back to ToD it was WotLK but it was also 1x and there was like 2 25 man groups that's a decent bit
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this has to be a joke, right?

>http://www.wow-one.com/forum/topic/109895-emerald-dream-split-release-discussion/
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hgwaityou
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>>166679805
there were 3 groups then 2 which lasted until just before ulduar release then there were only ~40 people in the guild and lots quit because not everyone could go to every raid
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>>166571512
There is a good reason why people are pushing to play Alliance. Do you seriously want to have language barriers with at least half of your faction, making it so you're really only able to play with at most 1/4 of the logged on population?
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>>166683962
There are literally no people pushing for Alliance but the finns (you). Make an Alliance /wpsg/ guild and see how many people actually show up.
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>>166684217
But... I'm a burger.
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>>166684346
Like I said. Make an Alliance guild on /wpsg/ and see how many people you get that are supposedly "pushing" for Alliance. The public strawpoll that was posted here over a week ago got 3 (three) Alliance votes.
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>>166683962
the half of my faction that i can talk to is still four times bigger than the alliance which will undoubtedly have the exact same problem.

lot of holes in your logic buddy.
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>>166684474
Link? Not trying to be a shit, I genuinely missed that poll.
It would suck a lot to have to pub Poles in to 25 mans, and being on the horde side would fuckin kill doing BGs (not that you wouldn't win, but long ass queues)
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>>166684812
http://www.strawpoll.me/12149933/r
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Given the lopsidedness of the factions and lack of English speakers, why is everyone hyped for HG? Is it because there are no other worthwhile new servers to play on? If thats all then its going to fucking die first thing something else catches /wpsg/'s attention.
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>>166685312
>lopsidedness of the factions
citation?
>lack of english speakers
didn't have a problem on the old HG with people knowing how to speak english. unlike america we in europe have the brain power to learn more than one language well.
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So options right now are:
1) roll horde and clear t4 at which point you have to find another non-polish (lol) guild
2) roll alliance and get benched by the finns
It's going to be great server I swear :^)
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>>166687038
got any alternatives to suggest, faggot?
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>>166687346
how about this
*unzips pants*
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>>166691059
Now we're talking.

*kneels in front of you*
*opens mouth wide*
aaaaahh~
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>>166691284
this is 100% glaston which leads me to believe that >>166691182
is too
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>>166691182
i like this
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>>166691284
take off your hat dumbass lol
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>>166687038
man im glad im not shit so this won't happen to me
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so xD i hope this sever release soon xD would be xD shame xD if Xd IT TOOK 1 MORE MONTH REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>166695867
t. finnshit core member
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Hello everyone! Just wanted to stop by and start the hype for Hellground's relaunch. The server always was the BEST Burning Crusade experience available, but the population dwindled after 8 years of support from the team at hellground.net. It's time for a breath of fresh air in TBC emulation and I hope you'll join me on this new adventure!

http://forums.hellground.net/topic/49078-wipe-new-adventure-hellground/

2x XP gain
3x RAF XP gain (disabled until 3 months after release)
1x drop/gold/honor/reputation rates
Pre-nerf heroic dungeons AND raids!
All attunements in their original forms!
T4/T5 fully scripted on release day
Revered heroic requirements
T6 and Isle of Quel'danas to be released at a later date
No OP Sunwell Badge gear
....and more!
Look forward to an announcement on Sunday for the release plans! Hope to see everybody on Hellground soon!
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wwu@hg
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>>166669089
wtf is this 10year old content meme? you implicate that people have been practicing same encounters for ten year? or that they some get easier with time? just like american burgers, they just wont rot.
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>>166669089
The same value as people see in new ladders/races in shit like Diablo and PoE. Obviously it's not necessarily "difficult", the difficulty comes in the speed of it. That being said they aren't even going for realm firsts.
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i want to play a resto shaman on this new tbc server but i dunno know anything about how to play the class would anyone be willing to help me?
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>>166706127
Talk to Asscobra he knows a lot about them
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>>166706127
>>166706306
I'm going to bed so I can't help you now but if you PM me on Discord I'll answer whatever question(s) you have when I get home tomorrow. Discord name is The Cobe you can find me in the /wpsg/ or Hellground discords. You won't find anyone that knows more about the spec than me on /vg/. You can also check the pins on the Hellground one for the EJ archive and a relatively in-depth guide on the basics of the class in the pastebin.
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>>166706127
You can't stack earth shields. Precast rank 1 healing wave to stack the healing way buff. Use totems according to your group. Bloodlust when people tell you to. Basically you just chain heal unless you have an assignment.
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>>166706587
i pm'd you. that gear list helped but the elitistjerks link in it doesnt work.
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>>166707365
did you mean the ancestral buff? shamans are the worst tank healers in the expac im pretty sure because there single target spells cost a lot of mana relative to the healing and high regen cuts into potential healing power.

>>166707550
idk the exact ranks of spells you need to use but i know that you use rank 1 earth shield and that you derank all your other heals as a shaman. gem spellpower and rely on base regen from gear. 1

150-200 regen is enough for all the raids unless for some odd reason your assigned to tank heals, cant help you with spec at all just look around im sure youll find something
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>>166708183
to continue do not gem mp5 ever. theres a really good explanation on EJ somewhere about how +healing provides more mana regen by allowing you to save more mana cause your downranks are stronger

and i think you derank chain heal to 3 but im not really sure
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>>166707550
>>166708183
http://web.archive.org/web/20080810184621/http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t24796-shaman_restoration/

http://pastebin.com/RqesTgVP
I compiled a bunch more guides here since the list we used during <Video Games> had a lot of broken links
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>>166709006
http://www.ownedcore.com/forums/world-of-warcraft/world-of-warcraft-guides/107115-resto-shaman-healing-gear-guide.html

Think this is the guide you're talking about. It's what: >>166709603
posted but in a slightly more readable manner
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>>166687038
>2) roll alliance and get benched by the finns
they have like 50 members in their roster, why not push for second 25man?
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>>166709876
It's mostly the same guide, but it is outdated. It is from pre-1.4.2 so it still talks about using T2 and it is missing a lot of simulations and explanations for why certain things are valued higher than others.
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>>166709603
>>166709876
wait what? shamans really only need that little mana regen?
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>>166710257
That's all most healers need
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>>166710331
so are you telling me that two year long feud between meer and asscobra about mp5 gems that divided this general nearly in half would have been avoided with one link
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>>166710482
Yeah, probably
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>>166710257
>>166710482
>meer was dead wrong about something
wow what a shocker its nothing

take your discussion about a class nobody plays to your circlejerk discord
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>>166711094
Resto Shaman is the most fun class/spec combo in bc though?
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>>166709603
>>166709876
You have no idea what you've done by posting this. Meer is going to read this and realize he was completely wrong all along and Cobe is going to get a massive ego hard-on over it and the /wpsg/ guild will die before it even gets to roll on the server.
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>>166711905
roll alliance wwu
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>>166709603
>dudu
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>>166711905
The facts could be staring him right in the face and Meer would never admit to being wrong.
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>>166713267
It's polish for druid
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>>166706127
(You) just need to understand when dropping your Mana Tide Totem to get those belf hpallies maximum wet.
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>>166711905
I think they've both realized by now that it was a combination of retardation and Excalikeks extremely bugged Heroic Underbog where the Giants and Naga do way higher damage than they are supposed to.
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>>166715446
fuck you faggot i wanted to see the drama unfold
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Reminder that Yarrick is blacklisted from all future guilds.
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>>166709876
>One surprising way to boost your healing is to wear three pieces of Tier 2.
I bet somewhere a Blizzard developer was crying, with their vision of "you must always get current tier".
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>>166715825
Holy fuck grimlic looks BUFF
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>want to play resto druid on polground
>finns already have like three
>leveling as resto will put me behind in terms of speed
>everyone who wants to be good at healing will be playing resto druid
>thinking about rolling tank but prot warrior is boring as fuck and no one cares about bears or pallies
>don't want to roll dps because I'd get replaced in a heartbeat

Just end it now
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>>166716257
I think you might be the most wrong person in this thread holy fuck
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>>166716257
>he doesn't sign up as a mercenary for the finnic horde anyway because of possibility of 2 25mans
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Goodnight, sweet prince.

1993 - 2017
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>>166716526
t. blasted holy pally who got replaced by a tree
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>>166716257
you have no idea what you are talking about, right?
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>>166717353
Of course I do. Sorry your unintelligent non-druid moosh brain can't comprehend the statements I put before him
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>>166716257
just roll resto shaman
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>>166717648
>everyone who wants to be good at healing will be playing resto druid

this is the resto shammy expansion retard.

>thinking about rolling tank but prot warrior is boring as fuck and no one cares about bears or pallies

This is not vanilla retard. All three tanks are viable for all content.

>leveling as resto will put me behind in terms of speed

then maybe don't level as resto you stupid idiot?or do you actually think you will be running instances while leveling and even if you do, you don't have to be resto to heal so what's the fucking point?

>don't want to roll dps because I'd get replaced in a heartbeat

you won't get replaced if you are not a shitter which you probably are judging from your retarded opinions.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/wowservers/comments/5qesam/hellground_a_new_adventure_lets_start_the_hype/
hype up hellshit.
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http://removesandyclawz.ytmnd.com/
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>>166718554
Stop being autistic Dorner
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>>166719115
make me

fite me irl and ill provide u w/ financial advice
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But, basically, dorner is autistic. Literally autistic. He can't relate to anyone, he doesn't understand the emotions of lesser beings, and he expects everything to play out according to his mathematical-style planning. It's not a genetic autism, it's a Dr. Manhattan type of dissonance born from being so superior to everyone else that you can't relate. In dorners mind his plan was perfectly rational and everyone would thus go along with it. When they didn't, he resorted to force and thus you got the wiping of raids and such.
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One day while Meerkatz was masturbating, Dorner-kun got wood. He could no longer help himself! He watched as Meerkatz stroked his juicy kawaii cock. He approached Meerkatz which startled him and make him pee everywhere on the floor and on Dorner-kun too. Being drenched in his urine made him harder than ever!

Dorner-kun: "Meerkatz Senpai! I'm alive and I want to be INSIDE OF YOU." Meerkatz: "Oh Dorner-kun! I always knew you were alive! I want to stuff you up my kawaii ass!"

Dorner-kun grabbed a bunch of flavored lube and rubbed it all over his head.

Dorner-kun: "Oh my! It's cherry flavored lube! Cherry is my favorite!"

Dorner-kun then stuffed his head up into Meerkatz's tight ass! The other core raiders around naxxramas watched intently as Dorner-kun shoved his head back and forth into Meerkatz's nice ass, continuously making a squishy wet noise. The other core raiders also became aroused and they all gathered around Dorner-kun and Meerkatz and started to urinate all over them, and then they started to masturbate.

Meerkatz: "Oh my goodness, Dorner-kun! You are churning my insides up so well! Your nose is stimulating my prostate! OH YES!"

All the other core raiders became so aroused by this, that they could not help themselves anymore! They pushed Dorner-kun completely inside, and they all went inside. All of them wanted to be inside Meerkatz's nice round ass.

Meerkatz: "No wait guys! My ass cannot hold this much! I'm getting so full!"

All the core raiders went inside of poor squirming Meerkatz and pretty much, he was beyond full, and died from having his insides completely damaged. Wetboipuss came inside and found Meerkatz, dead with a huge ass hemorrhage on his anus, with a HUGE belly full of core raiders.
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He's the hero /wpsg/ deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent autist, a watchful shitposter. A dank meme.
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>>166719283
sounds like your average dota 2 player.
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Genetics slowly walked up to the door. "This is it," he thought, "I'm finally going to meet her. The woman of my dreams! I blew my life savings on this ticket to Sweden, and I even had to sell my WoWFreakz account, but it was worth it!". He fidgeted nervously and held the roses close to his chest as he worked up the courage to knock. Just as he was finally ready, the door opened, revealing a stunningly average woman. She had the body of a small boy, and her chest was as flat as the ones on the anime girls Genetics has spent his entire adult life masturbating to. For a flat chest, he would have to give it a 6 out of 10, but that was being generous. Still though, this was the best he could do, so he wasn't complaining.

"Are you Genetics? You're much heavier than I expected! Come in big boy..." said the goddess in a playful tone. She led him into the living room, and handed him a glass of water. "I'm sure you're thirsty after the long flight in," she said with a wink. "Th-thanks!" Genetics stammered, chugging it down nervously. He stood up, suddenly feeling nauseous. "Whereee, where's yourrr restrooooom...." he slurred as he fell to the ground. The last thing he saw before he blacked out was Lildijk's giggling face, and another figure coming up beside her.

Genetics woke up groggily, slowly opening his eyes to find that it was the same as with them closed. He couldn't see a thing in the pitch black of wherever he was, but the ground felt strange, almost like cardboard. He suddenly realized he wasn't wearing clothes anymore. "That bitch!" he thought, "Did she drug me? No, there has to be an explanation for this, my sweet Lildijk would never do this to me..."
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>>166719443
Suddenly light flushed in from above, as Genetics saw the biggest face he had ever seen in his life. To him, she was thousands of feet tall. "Ahh, there's our little treat," she said, moving her hand in to pick him up. Genetics felt pressure on all sides as his world became a mess of pale skin, and when he could finally see again, he was dangling in front of Lildijk's mouth. He gazed down into the abyss below him, and something snapped. "P-please! Please swallow me whole goddess!" he shouted at the top of his lungs. "I think he said something!" said another voice from next to his goddess. It was Lildijk's wife, Genetics hated her. He was envious beyond belief that she was the object of his goddesses affection.

"Well, let's dispose of him and have some fun" she said, as Genetics heart leaped. "This is it, my entire life to be food for Lildijk," he thought, "at least it's the woman I love...". Suddenly he was swept aside, dangling over Lildijk's wife's mouth, before he could even scream, he was dropped in. "Goodbye little cuck!", Lildijk said as Genetics slid down her wife's throat.

Genetics splashed down into her stomach, as he lay slowly dissolving, he heard, "Now Snack is going to HAVE to teach me Danish... or else..."
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>>166706127
Me too, I played resto shammy in wotlk and vanilla but never TBC.
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>>166719425
HELLGROUND GUILD IS UNFAIR
MEERKATZ IS IN THERE
STANDING AT THE CONCESSION
PLOTTING HIS OPPRESSION
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>>166719443
>>166719485
fuck dude i want a giantess lildijk to shrink me down and swallow me whole sooooo bad, i don't even care that id die, i just want to be her food my cock is actually fucking hard
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>>166719540
yo dude your rap
I think it was crap
poo poo pee pee *braaaap*
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>>166719843
meerkatz is fat
wears fedora hats
shops at walmart
lookin like paul blart
TAKE BIG SHART
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>>166719878
okay you little neet
i suck on judi's teat
you know i can't be beat
i take shits like pajeet
*eats a poopy treat*
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>>166720049
uh oh poo poo
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>>166717952

>resto shamans cucked
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>>166721021
Is that circle of healing?
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>>166721286

yes, sniping the heals with coh button
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Somoene redpill me on TBC rogue and blue pvp gear with reputation.
Kinda wanna roll a sneaky belf. Race is cancerous but racials seem legit (aoe silence + recover energy iirc).
On most raid comps or screenshots I see very few tho only 1 or 2 max. Are they doing crappy damage?
Also looks pretty hard to get decent weapons for combat sword at 70.
Best option would be HW Swords but Hellground won’t allow to get them with honor + eye marks. Can’t remember how it used to work with reputation.
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>>166723375
>redpill me
Fuck off, pollack wannabe.
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>>166723375
Rogues are fine with gear but it's more of the
>melee group problems
You really don't want to have shitloads of melee

Also
>bloodelf into the trash it goes.
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>>166723375
blue rep pvp gear wont be in the game on hellshit.
You're cucking yourself hard if you roll rogue and want to raid
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>>166723375
just roll blacksmith
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Weekly reminder that Kara is your endgame on Hellshit. Finns will do 25 mans but meerfat will resort to inviting normies just to wipe all night. Good luck with your normie guild faggots
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>>166726302
meercore should just roll on alliance.
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>>166723550
back to lebbit with you
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>back to lebbit with you
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>>166726302
But Finns are a normie guild?
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>>166726630
so is meercore
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>>166726630
>he doesn't even receive government do to play vidae games 24/7
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>>166726810
sleep is important
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>>166726938
>calls others normies
SAD.
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>>166727034
huh?
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>>166724081
>melee problem
Blizzard hates melee. I forget it,sometimes.
Played too much undead male and want to change. Orcs too bulky and trolls well they are trolls.
Maybe will roll femhuman for OP racial.

>>166725904
Holy fuk this is worst than I taught. Got to basically pray RNGesus and farm Mechanar. Or buy Blinkstrike...

>>166726048
What can a blacksmith craft for a rouge main hand sword? Would be worth if there is any but only see good off-hands.
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>>166726552
t. monkey spokesperson of wpsg
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Is anybody or has anybody played Ascension at all? Is it worth the download?
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>>166728217
It's quite literally a 60 MB download, as long as you have a 3.3.5a client
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>>166728885
Oh really? I thought it was a couple gigs for whatever reason.

Is the server fun at all?? Are there any /wpsg/ or /vg/ people playing on it?
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So HG won't be releasing if he doesn't get it up by the 2nd Feb, and lets be honest, it'll be a fucking mess if they don't get it up by the 31st/1st.

Confident that he'll get it finished in 4 days? :^)
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>>166730065
It will be a fucking mess if Koosh tries to release after such little time to convert to progressive.

So fucking mess confirmed either way
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>>166730164
Cool beans! HG confirmed dead for at least a month.
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>>166728054
>no good mh
Senpai, look under aldor rep
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>>166722001
When CoH was made holy exlusive?
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Hellground when?
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>>166722001
Great UI, slerp.
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>>166733349
Discussed like 5 posts up, you illiterate mong
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I JUST WANT A GOOD BC SERVER FUCKING REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>166733786
Hellground is coming out in 8 days
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>>166734930
No it isn't.

Lead programmer specifically said if it isn't out by the 2nd (6 days from now!) its fucked.
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>>166735018
>2nd
4th* (because it's a saturday)
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>>166735047
>This is the server you fuckboys are shilling

tip

top

kekkaroooooo
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>>166735223
>americans
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>>166735223
>some idiot made a post
>he takes it as something thats happening
elyg gets more retarded by the minute.
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>>166735047
>No more frustrating BGs
So you can play BGs without queueing into the same alliance premade every game?

>Frustrated exping
Alliance zones will be less populated. Git gud.

>LFG problems
How does allowing less players on the realm make it easier to find groups?
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Who here going to be alliance masterrace?
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>>166735936
>>166556150
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>>166735223
Hi burger. Your lack of IQ is showing.
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Advantages of being a rogue:
>extremely high damage
>best CC
>incredible mobility
>very strong survival

Disadvantages:
>can't cast ranged spells

Why would anyone NOT roll a rogue?
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>>166735047
wait is that real? I really don't want to queue for a server that isn't even super high pop just because faction balance.
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>>166736164
read the last part of the post and use your "brain"
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>>166736160
>rogue
>incredible mobility
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>>166736160
Disadvantages:
>can't do PvE
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>>166735047
>HG devs want to implement something this bad

dead server
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>>166736379
They get a blink that puts them right behind their target and a sprint.

Oh, I forgot.
Literally FREE RESOURCES.
Don't have to do ANYTHING.
Energy restores on its own, like magic.
Don't need to use consumables, pre-cast anything, channel a spell, sacrifice your own health or even waste a GCD.
It's FREE
FOREVER
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>>166736465
>rogues are bad at pve
Is that what rogues tell themselves to feel better about playing the easiest class?

Rogues are great for PvE, the only problem is that an average server is 50% rogues so there isn't a spot for everyone.

Rogues in BC should have been a hero class.
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>>166736573
Good luck doing good damage when taking shadowstep, bub.
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>>166737103
>WAAH WAAH, I CAN'T HAVE EVERYTHING I WANT, WAAAH
Typical rogue
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>>166737225
Nice strawman dear shitposter.
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>>166737279
>WHY CAN'T MY CLASS BE EVEN EASIER WAAH
>EYONIX HELP ME
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>>166735047
He is right tho.
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>>166736847
>Rogues are great for PvE, the only problem is that an average server is 50% rogues
How the fuck you mistyped "Warlock" as "rogue" two times in the same sentence?
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>>166738072
>trying to bully the weakest pvp class
Fucking rogues
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>>166739306
feel free to make a /wpsg/ guild on Alliance and see how many people show up
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>>166739306
Cuck's honor friend XD
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>>166739306
/wpsg/ is too shit to play the game in hard mode.
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>>166739306
>alliance during NA hours
>can't find people for heroics
>horde camping farm zones
>bgs are instant 3v10 losses
>a-at least there are 40 less horde!
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>>166739306
Steamroling with alliance 5-10-15 premades is the only benefit.
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hellground is just around the corner
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>>166740720
Any moment now.
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Freakz seems to be releasing their Legion server soon, will the gipsies do a good job?
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>>166740720
>>166740768
Only a few more months lads
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>>166741695
Why would you play legion on a private server? Retail works 100%.

And no, their mop server is garbage, why would their legion server be any better.
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>>166739790
>unironically being a burger
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>>166739790
Who are you quoting?
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>>166708183
>did you mean the ancestral buff? shamans are the worst tank healers in the expac im pretty sure because there single target spells cost a lot of mana relative to the healing and high regen cuts into potential healing power.
No, I mean healing way. This isn't WotLK, there's not just raid healing to do. Druids are actually the worst for pre-nerf content. When Mag hits your tank for 80% of their health, HoTs are only going to be a safety net. Since you'll probably only have one healing priest and paladin, shamans will have to be assigned to tanks.

t. someone that did pre-nerf content on retail tbc
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>>166742359
Because unless you haven't noticed a lot of people play private servers because they're dirt poor
>>
We're experiencing the wow private server bubble. People will latch on to any shit server as long as it promises them nostalgia.

It's the result of there being literally no good MMO on the market right now.
There's demand but no supply.
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>>166743778
You told him very specifically to stack Healing Way then spam Chain Heal. Healing Way doesn't get the benefit of Chain Heal here: >>166707365
Also you only have one Shaman in the entire raid on specific tank duty and even then it's only for some fights where the tank will take heavy spike damage and needs the Priest + Paladin + Shaman trio to keep him topped off.
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>>166741695
There are already WoD servers, too. They're shit.
There are MoP servers. Probably shit.
Cata servers - shit.
WotLK servers - shit.
BC - shit.
Vanilla - shit.
Why can't we have quality pservers? Every single one of them has some problems which make them shit.
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>>166745382
Because you're a screeching autist who sees that the quest text of a level 12 chain is missing a period and then instantly denounce the entire server.
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>>166744858
>It's the result of there being literally no good MMO on the market right now.
What were the last promising projects? TESO and SW:TOR?
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>>166745382
If you set blizzlike as your standard then of course everything is going to look shit in comparison.

There are a couple of "decent" servers, but you people make a huge drama out of every single failure they may have.

Just face it; you'll never have an amazing experience in a private server until Blizzard actually releases legacy servers. With the relative success of Legion I don't think such thing may happen in the near future.

Having a bit of fun and mad bantz with this community is the only reason you're all still playing in private servers in their current state.
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>>166744858
>right now
Anon private servers started being popular in around 2012-2013
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>>166744858
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>>166745382
I wasn't around for MoP, but people seem to praise it as a really good expac, one of the better ones.

Why don't we see more of them? Maybe we need to wait for the nostalgia that blinds vanilla players to extremely rough edges to affect MoP too.
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>>166745646
Yeah, right.
Back in 2012 a 2k pop server was considered huge.

I still remember how everyone was losing their minds about scriptcraft reaching 1.5k players.
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>>166745892
2k is still considered huge by everyone who didn't have Nost as their first private server.
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>>166745892
private server players are such size queens its insane
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>>166745670
How do you fuck up the exposure on a SCREENSHOT?
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>>166745892
2k is still a lot of a private server that isn't molten or other garbage. I can tell Nostalrius was your first private server but please stop being retarded. Once Elysium inevitably dies from stupid management there won't be another private server with crazy pop
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>>166746009
>>166745956
Honestly, my best times playing on pservers were scripctaft and valkyrie, which had barely 1k players at peak.
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>>166745630
You can have amazing private server experiences.
Retail was buggy as hell too, everyone seems to forget that.

There are plenty of servers what have what everyone is looking for. But they cling to one small thing. Most of the people who shit on servers all day haven't seen much content. Maybe they hit cap and did a small amount of entry level stuff, but most haven't even gotten that far.

If people just put their autism aside just a little they might actually enjoy something. Nost was buggy as hell, ely is even worse, but for some reason those get a pass?
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>>166745234
No I didn't, and it should be very obvious why one would stack healing way so it doesn't need explaining. "You should chain heal unless you have an assignment" is very easy to understand English for spamming chain heal if you're not assigned to a tank. Also spoken like someone that has literally never done pre-nerf Mag (you need to assign nearly every healer to a tank), or pre-nerf Maulgar. If this is Cobe and you're leading the guild you're going to find this out real fast.
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>stack resilience
>not enough dps stats, run out of mana before I do any damage

>stack pve gear
>die in one hit

>class literally unplayable for pvp

Who thought this was a good idea?
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>>166737401

I don't think so. I think that the only realistic solution is to eliminate the root cause. So, nerf wotf.
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>>166746375

What if you could use a bit of both?
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>>166746375
Just outplay your opponents
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>>166746168
>correct you on your wrong advice on a class
>must be this person I don't like
Doesn't take a Shaman expert to tell you that you won't have more than 1 healing the tanks
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>>166745382
maybe because even retail is a bugfest?
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>>166746575
Do a bit of what?
You need to pass a certain threshold of stats for them to be useful.
Like having at least 10% haste to be able to cast between short ccs and gcds, or certain crit percentage so that there's at least one crit in your dps chain to trigger abilities.

Same with resilience. If you have 1 less resilience than it is needed to survive while waiting for a heal, ALL of your resilience is useless.
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>>166735047
Might as well just go cross faction.
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> faction imbalance

What if they just "traded" all the racials completely 1 to 1? (humans and undeads trade racials, tauren and NE, etc.)

That way you would separate the > muh racials argument from the > muh cool models one, without affecting balance too much.
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>>166746726
you will on mulgaur and mag but thats it
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>>166746726
Nah, I don't dislike Asscobra. You're wrong though, but that's kind of true for T5 content and Gruul. But shamans are still tank healing for many fights just because there's not constant AoE damage going out. Gruul, for instance, will wreck your tank with high buff stacks and the raid damage should only be after shatters.
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>>166747685
m-muh blizzlike
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>>166745502
Well, not being able to turn in Waterlogged Recipe on atlantiss is pretty bad.
>>166745630
When you have some boss mechanics in ICC on 3.3.5 server not working (like Lady Deathwhisper lacking MC) it's a major failure.
>>166745382
Well, there are few but people mostly play it for PvP. Also, they're all on 5.4 with SoO.
>>166745382
Well, retail got less bugs (quest mostly work, scripts do what they should, etc) but when they fail, they fail hard (Battleworn Thrash Blade + Combat Rogues, WoD prepatch).
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>>166745630
>>166746149
>experience
It's mostly up for people, you can have bad experience even on a perfectly working server because of autistic clickers who are outmatched by a slowpoke but sperg on your like they're pro or basically tell you to fuck off and don't teach them how to play. Or worse ("I paid muh money, I shoudn't learn sheet, gimme fun").
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>>166748205
>Well, there are few but people mostly play it for PvP. Also, they're all on 5.4 with SoO.
>>166745683
>Well, retail got less bugs (quest mostly work, scripts do what they should, etc) but when they fail, they fail hard (Battleworn Thrash Blade + Combat Rogues, WoD prepatch).
>>166746926
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>>166748416
/wpsg/ is about to find out how much they don't want a prenerf tbc server with attunements.

Which is what everyone has claimed they wanted for years. Incoming bad experiences because it takes too long.
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>>166748764
It's not long at all!
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>>166749641

Is this really the best chart that exists for this? Starting points literally in the middle of the graph. Migraine material.
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>koostosh out partying and will be too hungover to fix anything during the weekend
god damn it
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EOTS is fucking awful.

It looks like a giant pink turd and it's unbalanced.

Capturing objectives should always require player interaction. There's a reason AB has flags on the points instead of just a zerg counter like in EOTS.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t1valkIiaQ
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>>166749857
http://wow.gamepedia.com/Instance_attunement_(Burning_Crusade)
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Ok, after eight years on private servers, I have to say, anyone who prefers 2.4.3 over 1.12 must have brain damage.

TBC is just a worse game than vanilla mechanically. Sure, the PvE content is better, but that's it.
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>>166745234
>>166746726
Shamans are in fact best used as raid healers yes, but they can also tank heal albeit not as well as Priests/Paladins. In most cases Ranks 8 and 12 HW are enough to keep a tank out of the danger zone when combined with the heals of the above mentioned healers.

It's still a good idea to have a Shaman that just Rank 4 CH spams the tanks (even though there's no smart healing in TBC) because it's very mana efficient and Ancestral Fortitude is amazing.

t. Cobe
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>>166750272
>Sure, the PvE content is better, but that's it.

So in other words, people that prefer 2.4.3 over 1.12 do it because they prefer PvE. Not because they're brain damaged.
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>>166750272
>Sure, the PvE content is better, but that's it
>Implying people play PvP these days.
Well, they play, there are just more people who don't.
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>>166750272
2.4.3 does suck, I really dislike the isle of quck'danas, all the dailies that were implemented, and other bullshit.

"pre 2.1" fresh tbc servers are much better than any vanilla server.
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>>166750615
Raidloggers are brain damaged, yes.

Raidloggers caused the game to become a lobby simulator.
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>>166750778
>TBC
>raidlogging
um?
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>>166750723
You can get rep in mgt as well. You don't have to do the dailies.
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>>166749641
>>166748764
>heroic shattered halls pre-nerf
It wouldn't be so bad if it weren't timed.
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>>166750831
kill yourself
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>>166750778
Well, when you look at how MOBAs are played...
Also, what do you propose? Arenaing like mad when raids are done?
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>>166750824
PvP has been DESIGNATED to its own safe space with its own gear progression, there's no world pvp to speak of, the gameworld was separated into pre 60 and post 60, what the fuck else is there to do but raidlog?
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>>166750925
Just play the game
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>>166751029
Good WPvP was a direct result of the PvE content, though.

How was it confined to a safe space? Can I no longer gank some fucker as he's grinding mobs? Or are you just upset you can't kill greys?
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>>166751029
You can't progress past T4 by raidlogging.

My guild on Nost <SORRY> was comprised of people from <Ridin Dirty> <MCST> and so on and we raidlogged after the people that cared to do so got rank 10 and BWL was already on farm after the first clear.
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>>166751057
>mwf when I just realised I went through all of cata content and stick to it for no reason.
Yet I fail to find something that is not WoW.
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>>166751142
It's simply anti-mmo gameplay philosophy to separate game elements into their own bubbles.

What separates an mmo from a lobby? The fact that all the gameplay elements are connected to each other through the overworld and influence each other.

Arena turned wow pvp into a moba and pve into a lobby.
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>>166751284
hellground will save you
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>>166751380
I hope it will.
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>>166751373
Seeing as how you're actually illiterate, I'll repeat myself

>Can I no longer gank some fucker as he's grinding mobs? Or are you just upset you can't kill greys?
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>>166750903
I'm sorry the only thing you dislike is completely optional.
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>>166751535
It's not the only thing.
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>>166751029
>there's no world pvp to speak of
That's hilarious. Way to show that you have no idea what you're talking about.
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>>166751503
I don't think you're intelligent enough to participate in this discussion.
Are you IQ89?
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>>166751627
The only thing you could list.
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>>166751689
everything about the isle
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>>166751647
>3 sec cast flymounts
>world pvp
Lol, tbc baby thinks he has a correct opinion.
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>>166751671
>PvP and PvE are totally separated!
>PvP is in a bubble!!

Yeah, apart from the way that its fucking not, right

Are you incapable of participating in PvP in world?
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>>166751671
you can't even answer a simple question and you call somebody else unintelligent? 2.4.3 improved on 1.12.1 in every possible way.
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>>166751647
Zone buffs are useless friendo
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>>166751838

vanillacucks are the incarnation of nostalgia goggles, it's pointless to try and reason with them.
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>>166751834
>separate gear progression, mutually exclusive stats on gear, arenas are literally instanced empty circles that you teleport into from a goblin
Totally not separated guise.

Looks like you're retarded.

>>166751838
Why would I answer your retarded strawman question that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand?
Go wipe the saliva off your chin.
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>>166752069
So.. still don't feel like answering the VERY simple question of "can you freely engage in WPvP", which is of course "yes", so you don't want to answer it.
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>>166752069
You get pvp gear by actually pvping.
No more having to raid just to pvp.
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>>166752186
Go back to your room, adults are talking.

>>166752221
If you don't want to participate in both pvp and pve, and want them DESIGNATED to separate little safe spaces, you're literally the reason wow turned into a lobby.
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>>166752361
>Go back to your room, adults are talking.

Yes we are, to your retarded ass.
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>>166752361
>designated safe spaces for pve - good
>designated safe spaces for pvp - bad
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>>166752361
You can't PvP while raiding in Vanilla either though? Pretty sure I can swoop in on some cuck farming in Nagrand and kill him just like I can kill a chink farmer in EPL gathering Essences.
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>>166748764
this desu senpai
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>>166752361
>adults
>/wpsg/
>/vg/
>/4chan/

Delusional
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>>166751813
>>166751912
You'll kill each other as you level as you did in vanilla. You'll kill each other outside instances as you did in vanilla. You'll kill each other while farming mobs as you did in vanilla. The only thing TBC doesn't have is ganking gatherers. But I do suppose there may not be any alliance being HG didn't try to balance faction pop at all.
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>>166748764
Let's be honest the reason they avoid tbc isn't because swp is released already. It's because they're too shit to get to swp.
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>>166752952
>they
>you're in here as well
:thinking:
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>>166752562
>>166752880
>swoop in
That's the problem.
The fact that you can simply ignore terrain and mobs and appear out of nowhere with no chance of defending yourself even if you see them coming affects world pvp negatively.
Same as being able to cast a flymount in 3 seconds and disappear forever without regard to environment.

>>166752525
>PvE is shit, so I want pvp to be shit as well
I really dislike the fact that arenas became synonymous with pvp. PvPlogging isn't any better than raidlogging.
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>>166748764
>Incoming bad experiences because it takes too long.
You can't take away people's right to be assholes.
>>
So the reason tbc sucks is because there's much less unbalanced world pvp and you're forced to do arena with people your rating and better?
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>>166753038

how do u dont know if he is a f-f-fucking finn?
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>>166753082
>PvPlogging
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>>166753082
Imagine every raid being not instanced, world-boss like with everyone being albe to swoop in. Oh wait, nobody designes PvE in MMOs that today.
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>>166753291

> tfw i PVPlog in blade and soul because everything else about the game blows
>>
It's funny to me when people say vanilla wpvp was only ganking.
Flymounts encourage ganking like nothing else.

You can hover 36 yards above your target and wait for them to aggro a mob and there's NOTHING they can do to prepare for the incoming gank, even if they see you.

It's practically an immortality button that gives the ganker the privelege of always engaging first, and always on their own terms.
>>
KVÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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>>166753401

I haven't heard too many people defend flying mounts.
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>>166753401
>It's funny to me when people say vanilla wpvp was only ganking.

99% of it was.
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>>166753589
That estimate is extremely low
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>>166556030
Kvæææææ
>>
Is there anything more boring and un-exciting than arena gear progression?

>Oh boy, new season, let's see what kind of exciting playstyle changing gear I will get
>Same stats and itemization as your current gear, but +5 to every stat :^DDDD
Wow.

You know, tbc pvp balance wouldn't be so shit if every class wasn't bottlenecked into certain specs and playstyles by gear.
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>>166750261
umm guys im not sure tbc is for us? can we just go play wotlk or cata.
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>>166753968
why does it matter to you when you aren't good enough to get the full set anyways
>>
arena is lame
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>>166754010
We get it gdkid.
Tbc is too hard for you.
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>>166753082

Are you the same guy that's been sperging on about vanilla vs tbc,arena vs vanilla and resilience and warlocks and so forth these past months?

Don't you think it's about time to call it quits and pack your bag. We've had these useless debates over and over.

TLDR
You can do all the same things and more in tbc that vanilla had if you just bother to go do them. You can stil have wpvp at their own hubs just like in vanilla but then you have arena aswell for rated competition.

Just because you are too lazy to make an effort with wpvp in tbc doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Take off your nostalgiagoggles and accept reality.

TBC still has the same possibilities as vanilla with a few more added ones aswell.
It's fine if vanilla is more of your favourite but you don't need to be so assblasted and tsundere about tbc when it literally can do all the things you say it can't your just unwilling to do them or see it.
I
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>>166754054
>implying im not better than u
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>>166753359
thank god
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>>166754201
come on it's not but shit seems so boring. we could hop at least 2-5 servers in the time it takes for 25people to get thru attunements.
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>>166754246
You're not better than me.
>>
I mean, what the fuck is even the point of arena gear progression if everyone gets the same itemization?

Just strip everyone naked and give them 15% baseline resilience, lol.
Literally the same thing
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>>166754384
might as well just play mobas
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>>166754221
>these past months
>/wpsg/ just revived from the dead maybe 2 weeks ago
you okay?
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>>166753968
>You know, tbc pvp balance wouldn't be so shit if every class wasn't bottlenecked into certain specs and playstyles by gear.
You do realise people can learn and figure best specs which then become cookie cutters?
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>>166754340
I've literally never died during my whole time playing wow, not a once.

Get fucked kid.

>>166754454
PvE items are the only thing that make arena remotely fun.
Resilence less arena was the only time arena was ever fun.

it's the truth that make all arena kiddies ass blasted.
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>>166754332
>I'm not too shit for it i just don't want to hold everyone back while it takes me 5 months to get my hellfire key
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>>166754614
and couldn't you use engineering items in the first couple seasons, probably lots of stuff was disabled throughout the expansion
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>>166754512
Okay few weeks atleast. This has literally been discussed pretty much in every other thread for a good amount of time. There is nothing to be added to the discussion that haven't already been discussed. If you don't like tbc and prefer vanilla that's fine. Don't need to come shitpost here about it constantly again and again. Call a help center or visit your grandma or something if your this bored. Jesus christ
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>>166754564
Yeah, except that there's certain specs and playstyles that don't work solely because blizzard fucked up pvp gear itemization.

Also because arena deathmatch favors cookie cutter builds. There's only two playstyles in deathmatch, survival and burst.

>>166754757
>no professions allowed in my pvp safe space
Might as well strip naked and duel outside orgrimmar.
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>>166754787
Nobody plays the vanilla server because it's shit.
It's literally a case of "if i can't have nost i don't want you to have hg"
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Arena fags are literally the "no items, fox only, final destination" of wow
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>>166754961
>It's literally a case of "if i can't have nost i don't want you to have hg"

Its more literally a case of "If i don't enjoy this server i'll make damn sure nobody else can enjoy it in peace, time to shitpost about HG"
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le stinky dragon face :D
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>>166755443
Kvæææææ
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*sniffs*
p'eeeewww that's some stinky smells :D :-DDD
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Does anyone else think that BC pvp feels completely weightless? All abilities feel weak as shit and it takes about a minute to kill anyone.
It's like everyone is playing with rank 1 spells.
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>>166755090
Thats the point of arenas though.
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*BBRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP*
*takes a deep whiff*

Mmmmm, quite pungent, my dear
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>>166755608
I prefer a fight that takes a while a requires strategy.
That said I'm not a fan of an sl/sl/ lock dueling an rdrood but the game isn't balanced for 1v1.

Globalling isn't good pvp imho.
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>>166755742
It's not a very good point.

You have to be autistic to want to play less of the game.
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>tfw nobody will have 500resil on hg for a very long time.
>tfw hellground will be the best play to pvp, regardless of expansion
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>>166755915
Expect mail/plate to dominate since casters need resil.
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>>166755867
It's like you never saw those "he used consumables!" comments.
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>>166755860
I think globaling is good for the same reason counter strike has headshots, quake has railguns and tf2 has crits.

And slower pvp doesn't really add or remove strategy, it just makes it less exciting.

If you get attacked by two players at once, you WILL die regardless, it's just that it'll take them like 30 seconds instead of 5.
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>>166754121
I didn't take it seriously and just did it with friends, but it was the most fun I've had in WoW
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>>166756001
pve autists who roll ranged going to be BTFO
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>>166756095
>comparing an MMO with people having anywhere from 8k-900k health depending on xpac to FPS games that are designed around the potential for 1 shots
you can't be fucking serious
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>>166756095
You can use those 30 seconds to hold them off while you wait for reinforcements in a bg.
I understand what you're saying and i suppose it's just personal preference.
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>>166756001
>casters need dps stats
>but also need resil
>can't have both
>the ONLY reason warlocks aren't trash like mages is because they have a talent that gives them 30% flat damage mitigation, equivalent of about ~300 reil AND gear resil on top
Blizzard are retards desu.
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>>166756095
>I think globaling is good for the same reason counter strike has headshots, quake has railguns and tf2 has crits.

kys
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Whom do I whisper in No Queue for an invite?
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>>166756291
Well, that changes balance significantly since you can interrupt AB flag captures as long as you stay alive, and also it gives the flag carrier more time to receive heals, which are already overpowered in BC.

Oh wait
i forgot that
Battlegrounds are not REAAAL pvp.
Arenas are REAAAL pvp.
So disregard all that.
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just play legion, the new raid is like Sunwell 2.0
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>>166756670

yes, and you can play the double jump class
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>>166756487
/who g-queue
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>>166756497
They're fun though. I only arena because you're shoehorned into it, i prefer bgs.
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>>166757126
Yes, I also prefer BGs.
Except EOTS
Fuck EOTS
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>>166757126
Pretty much, grind some arena so you can pwn da n00bz harder in bgs
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>>166753968

This is my biggest beef with WoW as a game. The items are just "better" than each other; there is almost no thought that goes into creating item builds.

> in b4 minmaxer sperg out

The differences are minute. Compare to ragnarok for example where a single item can reduce damage from other players by 30% or double your health.
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>>166757126
>I only arena because you're shoehorned into it, i prefer bgs
Rated Battlegrounds. But they're post WotLK so those can be disregarded.
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>>166757606
Why does everything have to be rated and become an esport
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>>166757560
I think that there's some interesting items that could change your playstyle, such as certain trinkets and peculiarly itemized gear, also mix and matching gear to get interesting stats.
But unfortunately, doing that you lose resilience and you lose the pvp trinket, therefore you lose the game.
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>>166756734
your point?
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>>166757560
A t6 boomkin will keep his t5 set bonus until swp
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>>166757723
Because sometimes you want to play with a people who know what they're doing.
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>>166758079
why
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>>166757949

But will it change the way people play against him or the way he plays against others in a meaningful way?

in RO you could set your armor to be a certain element by socketing it with a card. Then it does a pokemon style interaction with other elements. So you could get practically immune to player A but get one-shot by player B. You could completely adapt to situations and make big choices like that. Really spiced up the game desu.

Would love if WoW had some of that. Or even being allowed to distribute your stats like in diablo.
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>>166758458
Check out ff11. It has some of the best gear in that regard.
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>>166758458
>being allowed to distribute your stats
Gemming, enchanting and reforging.
Well, you usually gem for your mainstat, enchant for your mainstat and reforge into your best secondary stat so...
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>>166758458
>tfw used to queue arenas in sr gear
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>>166758208
So, playing with disorganised bunch of retads against disorganised bunch of retads is fun?
Or you find organised people steamrolling bunch of retards fun? Gets old after 5th 6-minute WSG, you know.
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>>166758709
You usually dump most of your stats into your mainstat and a little into stam/min equip reqs in diablo.

So it's not that different.
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>>166758903
It's harder to put together your rbg group than it is to put together a raid group.

Not the guy you're talking to but that's my only problem with it.
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>>166758903

It's really not, especially considering there's a mentality in TBC of "bgs are just a way to grind honor for gear". I imagine premade vs premade must be so much better than just pugs.

It's like skirmish vs rated arena, really, but exacerbated by the fact that there's more people to "disorganize".
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>>166759057
Well, yeah, there is literally too little reward for the effort, thats why blizzard had to shill it with titles and mounts.
>>166759242
I don't know why people don't organize premade vs premade on server forums, desu, it is better than pugs. Even if you just pull together people who got head on their shoulders but put them under a leader.
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>>166758903
If steamrolling retards isn't fun then why is that the only example ever given of why vanilla is better?
Really gets those neurons transmitting.
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I look forward to steamrolling poles
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>>166759582
People do premades tho all the time,or then semi premades with a few competent people just solo queueing to the same game. It's just not like in vanilla where burgers might play for hours on end with premades because grinding for rank but they still happen inbetween the random bgs.
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>>166759819
Hitler please.
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>>166759894
Most premades are 1/3 to 1/2 of a group of guildies just fucking around.
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>>166760052
Still does the job very much now doesn't it. Doesn't really matter if it's a full premade or not if the other side isn't a proper premade either. Even with just a few more competent players and bit coordination you will be superior to the random retard team.
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