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Traumatized Edition

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>>166341513

>What is this?
A place to discuss all rogue-lites and related games and topics. Examples: The Binding of Isaac, Nuclear Throne, Enter the Gungeon, Faster than Light, Spelunky, and Rogue Legacy.

>List of Some Rogue-lites (W.I.P)
http://pastebin.com/rwnYefeG

>Steam Rogue-lites
http://store.steampowered.com/tag/en/Rogue-lite/#p=0&tab=NewReleases

>Steam Group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/rogue-lite

>EtG character ideas
http://pastebin.com/Up96YEYk

>/ntg/ Pastebins
Character Ideas http://pastebin.com/JnGYReQj
Crown Ideas http://pastebin.com/TjhD5NAk
Soundmods http://pastebin.com/bAtMbDCV
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I miss Isaac being hard without throwing bullet curtains at me

I miss Danny's music even if he is a loser

I miss not being desensitized to all the horrible things that the items do to Isaac and all the fucked up bosses
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Who else /green/ here?
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>>166550323
LUCKY CHA CHA CHA
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>>166548404
I think it's a fair trade off, not being difficult in exchange for not looking like shit.
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>>166550572
Or running like shit, for that matter.
Flash wouldn't have been able to support all the stuff that Rebirth does now.
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>Daily
>Get Continuum because why not
>Get Ipecac
>...wait
>This is probably why not
>Now afraid to go near walls
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>>166533024
The pill it unlocks is worthless so it's for the best to be honest. Like, when would you ever need a one time Ipecac shot? Explosive Diarrhea is better in every way (and it's not even that great to begin with).
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>>166552209
It seems like ed is trying to make pills worthless.
It used to be "you can get a stat upgrade or get a stat downgrade, with a small chance for some goofy effect".
Now it's LOL SEIZURES and le curse of amnesia that has the same name as an unknown pill xd.
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>got Ipecac and Tractor Beam
>see Tiny Planet
>well why the fuck not, it's not like the shots can circle around me this time
>they don't, but instead they're shot 10 fucking meters high up in the sky and fuck off offscreen
That was fun. Thankfully I had Tech 0.5 so I didn't screw myself too hard.
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Post Brimstone Grimace seed.

I've full cleared Sheol like 36 times in the past few days and found jack shit.
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>>166552738
>LOL SEIZURES
Based Edmund enforcing social darwinism.
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>>166552738
It's just the Keeper v2.0, people complained about The Lost's items being too cool so he made all the stuff harder to unlock comparatively worthless.
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>>166554023
But Crooked Penny is one of the best items in the game
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>>166554251
There are bound to be some exceptions.
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>>166554494
Deep Pockets, Rib of Greed, and Eye of Greed are also fucking great. One gives extra shops, another is one of the best tear effects in the game and the third is one of the only 2 ways to carry both cards AND pills at the same time.
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>1:00 AM UTC, January 21st 2017 + 109 hours
>egg still ignores the value of XI - Strength on Keeper
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>>166554782
Deep Pockets is a worse Polydactyly and rarely any better than Starter Deck, Rib of Greed is usually a waste of a trinket slot and Eye of Greed is essentially a slightly better Mom's Contacts. They're not really that amazing considering what you have to do to get them.
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>>166555109
>a slightly better Mom's Contacts
So a slightly better debuff than one of the best debuffs in the game?
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>>166555282
k man whatever, Keeper's unlocks are all amazing and they're absolutely nothing wrong with them
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>>166555753
What? Fuck no, he unlocks the sticky nickle
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>>166555753
>either all the unlocks have to be shit or all of them are good
Nice thinking there chum
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>using deathly hex to murder shit
>forgot my magic power's gone up so my resistance no longer prevents all damage
FUG
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>Necrodancer is 75% off
Neat.
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>>166557825
>Just realized Amplified is in Early Access
Why.
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>>166557531
no worse feeling than getting killed by your own wizard powers
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>>166558295
So people can't complain about it being shitty.
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>>166558295
Because they wanted money for an unfinished product.
Admittedly, they've been good about Necrodanger, so Amplified will probably be done in a decent time frame, so it's not quite such a shit prospect over if Bethesda released the next Elder Scrolls as an Early Access title.
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>decide to get back into etg to lube up for the supply drop
>beat the floor flawlessly, no key in shop for some reason
>near the end of the boss fight roll away when he cornered me
>touch his throne with a single pixel while rolling
>"LOL NO MASTER CHAMBER"
I think I now remember why I didn't like this game very much.
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Are there any resources to improve on Isaac?

Just playing until I get good takes a long time and the new bosses like Ultra Greed have a shit ton of health.

There must be some more advanced guide somewhere.

>tl;dr how do I git gud?
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>>166552738
>le curse of amnesia that has the same name as an unknown pill xd.
The challenge that unlocks that pill unlocks another completely useless pill, so you should have held your autism back and ignored that challenge for as long as possible.
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>playing keeper
>have swallowed penny
>take damage
>swallowed penny drops stuck nickel
>die
thanks edmint :^)
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>>166560608
Except that if you don't look everything up, you don't KNOW that the reward for beating a goddamn CHALLENGE is shittier pills.
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>>166558295
Necrodancer itself had a long early access, the guys who make it are EXTREMELY slow, this way they get atleast something out now. It'll probably launch fully by the end of summer or so.
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>>166559745
>Git gud
Of all of the bosses, bullet king is my least favorite because he's basically meduzi, but in a smaller area. It makes me angry that the boss in secret area #2 is based off him
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>>166560731
>not looking at all the flavors of steak before taking a bite
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>Fire up dat Negrodancer
>Loading screen at the start literally takes over two minutes
>Game looks like this

G-guys?
Did I unlock some sort of ultra hard mode?
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>>166560430
>tl;dr how do I git gud?
Watch streamers that have good habits and learn them.

Learn the items and synergies that work and the ones that don't.

Practice.

Every little bit adds up. A quick rundown of tips would be don't explore more than you need to, leave spirit hearts on the ground to pick up right before going down to the next floor to protect devil deal, don't ignore the sacrifice room, 5 cents can spawn an arcade, greed won't be in the shop if there's a miniboss elsewhere on the floor, a bomb for a bomb is a good trade since it can net you a crawlspace, don't take pills that might fuck you when you don't want to be fucked (for instance a telepills in a devil deal will be bad), always shoot for permanent polaroid invincibility, port out of boss rush if you get the chance, don't take hp before a devil deal you might want afterward, kill the spawners first, and learn room patterns for rooms that have them.

I'm really bad about the last one. The bombfly room on the caves has a way to get out without getting hit but I've still yet to learn it. I finally learned the bullshit room with 3 doors, 4 spitting stone faces and the spikes that pop up in the middle. Fuck that room.

Bosses have tricks too, like Satan can't hit you with most of his attacks if you stand just next to his center halfway down the room from him and you want to always lead the Haunt and cut across him if he's about to Brimstone to avoid getting caught on a wall.
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>>166560430

Do the challenges. Trust me. You learn a LOT of mechanics from them, and the value of Devil Deals.

I came back to Isaac after like a 2 year hiatus and shot up to 93% achievo's from about 50%, including The Lost.

Its all about knowing how to break the game and mechanics. Go for good unlocks like Moms Knife, D6, and whatnot, then work on completing each character.
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>>166562267
>Do the challenges
Solar System especially

Learning how to effectively use orbitals is important as shit.
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>>166561823
Yeah.
It's called "upgrade your toaster".
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Why is Nuclear Throne in the OP still? Sure, I can understand someone JUST getting into the genre confusing it for a good one, but it shouldn't be held that high. It's mediocre abandonware at best.

Hell, it's not even relavent.
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>>166563647
>mediocre abandonware
okay, so do you have an actual argument or did you just get off the wrong foot

i don't think we played the same game
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>>166563647
Why is Spelunky in the OP still? Sure, I can understand someone JUST getting into the genre confusing it for a good one, but it shouldn't be held that high. It's mediocre abandonware at best.

Why is Rogue Legacy in the OP still? Sure, I can understand someone JUST getting into the genre confusing it for a good one, but it shouldn't be held that high. It's mediocre abandonware at best.
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>>166562984
It looked fine until today.
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Ok lads.

Tell me.

Will this make the greatest run ever. Or will this completely and utterly fuck it?
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>>166565134
it will be fantastic IF your item luck stays consistent with what you've gotten so far
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>>166565134
take it.
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>>166565361
I needed to get mega stan but I was like oh man I cant pass up the pentagram, and it payed out with death's touch. Hopefully I get dad's key somewhere.

But what will soy milk do to my build? Will i still have a lot of dmg with 1 tear rate or will it go to about 3-4-5 with moderate damage?

>>166565461
Im scared. I dont wanna throw this run like I did with ludo the other day.
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i have discovered that going a caster build without taking any mana regen kind of sucks
on the other hand mark of cthon + pact of fleeting life means i can kick shit to death with INFINITE REGEN
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>>166565507
just DO IT
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>jacobs ladder + moms contact
>lighting also freezes monsters
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>>166565560
ALRIGHT FINE FUCK YOU I DID IT.

> -20 dmg
I regret this immediately.
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>>166565739
kek
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>>166563647
Good question, it's probably because a lot of /lite/ people were from /ntg/ and still hold nostalgia for it.

>>166563756
It was definitely mediocre abandonware.
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No pic this time because im lazy but this is insane. I just found magic mush, blue cap, dead cat and athame. I've gotten a devil room on every single floor so far.
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>>166566486
So much for no pics. This game is stupid.
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>>166566627
You better have take Fate.
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>>166566627

>>166566917
Course I did.

There's chaos in the shop, should I buy it?
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>>166566972
>not taking guppo's tail
what are you, a fucking faggot?
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>>166566972

Always chaos.
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>>166567047
Anon.. I..
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whats the best way to do "its the key" challenge?
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>>166567943
Azazel at the same time as Zip!

G0NE
S00N
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Well that was certainly a run.

Is eden's soul any good?
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got a new nocturnia highscore, now I'm ranked #3 on the leaderboards (ignoring 1 and 2 which are obvious hackers)

fucked up a bit on 5-3 and zone 5 konga but it still went a lot better than the one last night
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>give up habit/cary battery satanic bible for pinking sheers on hush fight
>they don't attack him at all

What a crock of shit.
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>>166569634
They do, you have to get in close. Unless it was changed for no reason.
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>Kill the bullet king while he throws the molotov at me
>Game freezes while the death animation plays
>Burn to death
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bump
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>>166569505
Do all the base game bosses have a even more powerful form if theyre the zone 5 boss?
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HAHA TIME FOR SOME ISAAC

Post your progress!
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>>166575807
like 71%. I gotta ways to go, I havent even done anything in ab really. I dont even have the keeper unlocked.
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>>166575807
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>>166575807
Just got rib of greed
>>166575865
Same here minus keeper, I just got that. most achievements I need are just beating Mega Satan and getting all those hard mode completion marks for every character
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>>166576281
what you missin? 5 nights at moms?
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>>166576847
mr resetter
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>>166575807

A-almost there

Just need to get Keeper shit done and Ultra Hard
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>>166575807
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>>166576898
why?you know it replaces regular heart drops and not soul heart drops,right?
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>>166577385
yeah i know. i don't have it because i don't hold 'r'. i'll get it later.
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why are these still locked? I have them all in game.
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>>166577698
>i dont hold r
holy shit how long did it take for you to do ultra hard?
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>>166577916
3 tries.
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>>166577916
you can't unlock mr resetter on challenges, so you can hold R on them as much as you want
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>enter Curse Room with Eve who has Satanic Bible and one black heart
>get teleported to Devil Room
>take Mom's Knife for two hearts
>back to Curse Room
>half a black heart left
>realize you made a mistake
>kill the two enemies left in the room because why not
>battery drops
>mfw
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>>166578714
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>>166578883
The game threw you a bone with a cyanide pill hidden inside. You just barely spat it out.
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>>166579009
#MisteaksIntoMiracles
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Fuck whoever decided you have to complete the bestiary to complete the game.
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>>166580159
That was me. I'm sorry, anon. It will not happen again. Please don't be mad at me.
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>>166548076
My BoI installation is Afterbirth Version 7, what's the changes in 8 and 9?
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>>166580159
While we're at it, fuck whoever decided bestiary and bestiality should be spelled without an a between the e and the s.

The English language is hard enough, quite doing stupid bullshit like that.
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>>166580716
Afterbirth plus*
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>>166580786
The English alphabet is retarded anyway.
There is no point to c or x, they can be replaced by k/s and ks respectively.
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>>166566172
I mean, if it's not being used in current discussion, it's a little redundant to advertise the fact.
Not good form.

>>166563756
Ok. Poor sprites, weak integration system, lack of content, weak guns, over saturated, jacked up music. That fit your comprehension?

The game had a minimal chance to be good but they didn't capitalize on it.
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>>166581185
cheeki breeki
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>entered Hush room with only two black hearts
>"I've made another mistake."
>finish him in less than a minute without being hit a single time

WEW
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>>166581405
Delirium kill and only got hit once. This is pretty nice run.
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>>166582216
>>166581405
>>166578883
>>166578714
nice blog
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>>166582454
Thanks! :)
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>>166582531
xD
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>>166582454
and yet it is of much higher quality than your post
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I'm surprised there's no spider transformation
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>>166581340
Not him, but I was considering buying this. No good?

On topic as a whole, what should I play instead?
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>>166584302
But there is.
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>>166584412
>Spider transformation
>Arguably the most rounded and good set of items in the game.
>Hard to find most of them.
>Doesnt give the equivalent of flightless guppy with spiders.

Shit.jpg
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>>166584640
Also, Bursting Eggsack isn't part of the transformation.
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>>166584412
>spider transformation
>LITERALLY gives you a worse GB Bug
HAHA
WELL STEAKED, ED!
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>>166584302
>No "Is that a jojo reference" transformation for getting 3 of any of gish, ball of meat, ball of bandages, or steven
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>>166584912
>tfw no Coil item or the flying squidjellyfish from Aether as a familiar
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>>166584640
>Guppy is still so much better and easy to get than anything else that there's no reason to actively pursue any other transformation
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>>166585708
>easier to get than anything else
Mom transformation
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>>166584357
I wouldn't, not even if it was on sale. It won't ever go on sale though because the devs have their heads so far up their asses they'd rather huff their poo gas than discount a game they abandoned.

>On topic as a whole, what should I play instead?
There are a tons of different styles of roguelites, what are you in the mood for?
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>>166585960
Given all the bloat that's (thankfully) been added to boss item pools, it's much more common to open red chests and get devil deals for the cat than to get range upgrades and a few other things for mom.
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>>166585708
I haven't gotten Guppy in days.
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how worth is it is the binding of issac rebirth if you already own the original game but havent put much time into it. should i get the new one or just stick to old?
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>>166584793
>a worse GB Bug
Sounds more like a spidermod
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>>166586202
Rebirth is a lot better, the original is no longer playable imo.
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>>166586202
vanilla rebirth takes a fat shit on the old game. The engine is a lot better, plus it has almost all the content from the first game plus double the items and extra shit.

But if you didn't play the first much you probably won't play rebirth much either.
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>>166586202
Afterbirth is worth the upgrade due to quality of life improvements to basic game mechanics but if you don't plan to invest a lot of time into unlocking shit you probably won't see much value from Afterbirth+
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>>166577754
Try looking at your secrets in the stats menu
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>>166586598
That fixed it
Thanks
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>>166585708
>What is spun

But yeah most of them are shit. Bomb transformation that gives bomb immunity when
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>>166586916
spun is decent, but not good enough for me to pick up experimental treatment.
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>>166587042
If its the last syringe I need I usually take it but otherwise nah
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>only crooked penny and dedication left
any tips on the keeper?
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>have amazing keeper run
>swallowed penny
>20/20
>Proptosis
>die because i'm an idiot

oh well
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>>166587541
Just this one: Good luck!
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>>166587583
What killed you?
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>>166586202
The old one is shit.
Rebirth is great.
Afterbirth and Afterbirth+ are shit.
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>>166587541
>any tips on the keeper?
R for pots for swallowed penny, once you get that, try to get IV bag from a floor 2 arcade, once you get that (or before if you're rolling in dosh), try to get restock, once you get THAT, just don't pick up something that fucks you like car battery and you can mill the shop. Your goal should be Mama Mega for the Hush door and then Chaos (in that order) into a full break. Once you're stacked enough just use Mama Mega to ensure Void access if you don't get it before then.
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What's the warhammer do in necrodancer again, I can't remember and it's not on the wiki yet
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>>166586202
It's definitely worth it.
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>>166588910
I think it has a range of two and does splash damage to enemies around the one you hit
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>>166591437
Yea I think it's a 2x3 rectangle from where you attack
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So anybody has the external item descriptions mod, for non legitimate BoI afterbirth+?

Please.
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>>166584412
Daddy Longlegs, Infestation 2, Sissy Longlegs, Juicy Sack and Bursting Sack should all be part of the set.
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What are people's thoughts on Delirium?
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>>166593364
Great final boss, love it.
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>>166574146
yep
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>>166586397
I remember it being rather laggy
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>>166593364
its k.could use being a bit less tankier though
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>>166593364
Shouldn't teleport that much but it's better than when AB+ came out.
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>>166593364
Cool boss but the teleporting and spawning random enemies like it lives eyes needs work.
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>>166593037
Here you go my dude: https://www.mediafire.com/?ly0ntnz7kz6zofp
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>>166593364
doo doo
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Threadly reminder to git gud if you haven't unlocked planetariums yet.
I kid, good luck in unlock hell, anons. I luv u
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>>166593364
Is the teleporting directly on top of you still happening?

Also health bar wackiness and broken mega satan, etc?
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>>166595505
It's not that bad.
>Start any run as Isaac and take what you can get
>If it's a meh item from the Item pool, or even decent, but can live without it, reroll
>If it's a Zodiac, always grab it
The trigger requirement for Planetariums is also retarded.
>Literally have to skip an item room without even entering it for a chance for one to spawn each floor that resets to 0 when it does spawn
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>only mark left is Delirium with Keeper

pls no

>>166595505
For some reason I really love the planetariums. Unlocked them on my first Antibirth run without knowing they existed.

>>166595678
Health bar is still broken when it turns into Lil Haunt. Haven't seen Mega Satan Delirium so far and it also doesn't teleport on top of you anymore.
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>>166594261
thank you very much.
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I prefer the Godmode mod OST to the Antibirth mod OST
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>>166586126
Frantic, high risk shooting with a bit of bullet hell jammed in there.

Something between the lines of 3D and 2d.
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>>166595842
They also just have a decent chance of showing up in the split off segments of Mausoleum.
One in >>166595505 was my second one without skipping a treasure room in maybe like 10 runs or so.

>>166595874
>For some reason I really love planetariums
Probably because they look awesome, contain interesting items like Saturnus and Pluto, and have some really sweet music.
I unlocked them early on in Antibirth without knowing what they were either. was a pleasant surprise when I randomly found one a run and it had Saturnus.
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>>166596845
go play a shoot 'em up instead
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>>166597068
My first planetarium was Saturnus as well.

I really want Antibirth to get added to the main game but planetariums might be good if they're 10% chance for each trasure room item skipped.
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>• Using this item twice in the same room will give you the Brimstone effect permanently

What is this shit supposed to accomplish?
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>>166597523
Brimstone.
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>>166597523
Providing a second way of acquiring one of the most powerful tear effects in the game.
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>>166597523
What item?
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>>166598057
>>166597705
I meant more design-wise. Giving out easy Brimstone like candy is not the best thing to do.
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>>166598094
Sulfur in Antibirth.
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>>166598220
>Like candy
1 Heart Container (guaranteeing no Angel Deals unless you get Act of Contrition [Angel Deals are actually good in Antibirth]), a key, and 5 cents/lucky Battery drop isn't exactly candy.
Plus, it has the same rarity as Brimstone in the Devil Deal pool.
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>>166598360
I think it's a little more common.
Also you forgot that you have to ditch your active if you have one.
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>>166598615
>active
Fair enough as well, but in many cases, people would consider Brimstone for so "little" a great deal in many cases, unless they had something like D6 or Bowl of Tears.
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I'm new to BoI and suck shit. Am I supposed to use a gamepad or keyboard? What do you guys use?
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>>166599260
keyboard
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>>166599260
it's perfectly playable with keyboard, don't fall for the memes
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>>166599398
does anyone even use a gamepad? the controls are just WASD+arrows and like 2 buttons
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>tfw you take Ipecac with Cricket's Body when playing the Keeper

>>166599260
Always used the keyboard for Isaac.
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>>166599260
You should play all roguelites with a keyboard, except for Risk of Rain and maybe Crypt of the Negrodancer.
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>>166599704
I want to see if I still have that ddr mat from the old mario game lying around here
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>>166599260
gamepad for me
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>survived Hush with splash Ipecac for some reason

Wish me luck, guys. I'm going in!

Also, the portable slot machine is pretty gud so far since you can activate it more than once per room and still get coins during boss fights. Would recommend!
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>>166600950
>Also, the portable slot machine is pretty gud so far since you can activate it more than once per room and still get coins during boss fights. Would recommend!
I never thought of that on Keeper. Good idea. Mom's Box + Swallowed Penny is a favorite of mine.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JpREXInsJY
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>>166601136
>I never thought of that on Keeper.

Me neither but when I activated it in the Hush shop a few times it dawned on me that I should ditch my Nickel for the Slot Machine. It's not even in the wiki yet which is weird.
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I literally only have 4 Witness kills left across dozens of runs.
I have never once fought the Siren.
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>>166601425
I can't stop laughing and I don't know why.
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>>166588173
Wait, you can get into Hush/Delirium fight past the 30 minute mark with Mama Mega?
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Masochist isac never ever

>>166550323
Thanks doc
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THIS JUST IN: PORTABLE SLOT + KEEPER TOO STRONG PLS NERF!

Forgive me for my wrongdoings, Portable Slot. I will never underestimate you again!
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>>166602440
If you use it on Womb 2 it will open the Hush door, and on Depths 2 it will open boss rush.
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>>166603220
>first that Mom's Knife Curse Room mistake and now this

I don't know if I'm very skilled or just dumb and lucky.
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>Love playing roguelites.
>Absolutely shit at them.
I still can't even beat Zone 4 in Crypt of the Necrodancer.
The only one I can consistently beat is FTL on Normal.
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>>166604005
>The only one I can consistently beat is FTL on Normal.
more than a lot of people can to tbdesu
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>>166604005
necrodancer takes a lot of effort to learn how to properly play, I really sucked at it for a long while but now I can beat it every time. It's just a matter of learning the enemy patterns then practice.
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COME ON TECH X
DON'T FAIL ME NOW
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>ULTRA GREEDIER HAS NO DAMAGE SCALING
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW
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>>166605607
WELL DONE
>>
here's the new necrodancer soundtrack, it's really great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ9ix08vIaY
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>>166606431
So the DLC is supposed to be a prequel to things?
Thats kinda fucking rad actually, and the new zones and enemies look interesting as well. I'm gonna need to pick that shit up.
Now I regret never finishing that shit.
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>>166607284
you should its a lot of fun, I could also stream it for you if you wanted to check it out

my steam is FAVelour so add me if you want to watch
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Anyone got the mod templates for the Binding of Isaac Afterbirth+ for a non legitimate copy?
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>Afterbirth+ came out before NT Update 99
>Gungeon's Supply Drop update will come out before NT Update 99

Why must I suffer like this?
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>going for "It's The Key" achievement

>see this

Oh, okay.
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>>166609105
You forgot:
>Necrodancer's Amplified came out before NT Update 99 (EA is still "released" by Steam release date standards)
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>>166609190
>not doing it with Azazel or Lost

It's your fault, really.
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>>166609235
I hope the DLC is good, because Necrodancer is a really nice game that should be discussed more.
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>>166609190

get a bomb from the challenge room?

should have picked someone with flight or used the gone soon seed, desu
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>>166609449
>get a bomb
you can't pick up bombs
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>>166609484

oh whoops my bad, forgot.

point stands though, should have known there were rooms like this in the game and planned accordingly.

Also you can do the two Lamb achievements on normal, you don't need to be on hard mode.
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>>166609667
>you don't need to be on hard mode.

>not doing all your steaks on hard mode

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>166609384
it definitely is, lots of fun new shit
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I don't know if victory laps working for achievements is a bug or not, but I don't care. Fuck Keeper and fuck Edmund for designing him.
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>>166610016
I think it is possible to get achievements if you close the game during a victory lap and then open it again.
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>>166581185
Goodd post!
Let me play you a Cheeky song on my Xylophone.
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I reached the throne. What to do wih my life
Also is Teleglitch worth buying? It came before most games here but i never see it mentioned.
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>>166610016
>>166610251
Oh, alright. So apparently only Delirium is a possible achievement during a victory lap.

>tfw I did them all without victory lap except The Lost on a victory lap #4 with Delirium still teleporting on top of you
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>>166610545
Teleglitch is a good game, but it's a bit.. eccentric for lack of a better word.
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What is your favorite roguelike?
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>>166611105
Life.
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I don't want to do this.
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>>166611105
Nethack can be fun, last time I played DCSS was fun too, might not be true anymore though, I like Brogue snd doomRL too, and I think I'm gonna try out IVAN
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>>166611338
You can do the non dedication ones on normal mode
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>>166612240
pls excuse me im not a scrub
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>>166611105
DoD's the only one I've played at any length.
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>>166611105
necrodancer for sure
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Best necro ost/amp ost?
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>>166613290
I'm really digging the new soundtrack from OC Remix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ9ix08vIaY
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>>166612346

>not a scrub
>can't do a 5 streak using 5 different characters

Something aint right
>>
>Bought Necrodancer on PSN for cross-buy with the Vita version so I could take my Necrodancer with me on the go.
>Won't get Amplified for ages.
At least I've got plenty to play in the meantime.
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>>166611105
Its not that complicated, but I had a ton of fun with one-way heroics for a bit.
Really simple rougelike though.
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>>166614497
Shhh! I already did The Marathon. That being said, I got my Delirium kill with Keeper on my first try.

>currently doing It's the Key!
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>>166613841
>Those lyrics towards the very end
Huh.
>>
>get teleported to The Void after Mom fight

THANKS EDMUND
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>>166615019
new boss who raps while you fight him
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I want my beautiful bumbo boy to be happy
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>an achievement which you are only able to do if you do a thing once a day for 31 days
>takes at least 744 hours to unlock this achievement

I mean, the Marathon is just like 5 nights at moms, only with strong builds if you know what to do.
Dedication just takes time.
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>>166619514
Hey, at least you only gotta finish dailies, not win.
>Imagine if you had to win 31 dailies in a row
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>>166619514
>le steak meme
>>
I don't actually play Isaac much myself. I choose to experience Isaac through Egg's videos because I hate myself.
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Another roguelite bites the dust. Finally got the starter blaster only achievement with half a hit point left after the Mothership thanks to the contact damage reduction perk. I was sweating bullets for the Nemesis fight.
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Is there a roguelike where you have an anime waifu you build and upgrade throughout the run?
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>>166623468
Slave maker.
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>>166623468
>anime waifu you build and upgrade
Nope, sounds like it'd be cute, but not very fun except to see your mechanical/synthetic love spirit be brought to life and empowered.
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Well, that was "fun".
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Here's a question, with no outside knowledge, how would one know how to beat It's the Key.
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>>166624435
Probably not at all. But Isaac is designed around community effort and the wiki.
I'm doing the same thing as well: Assuming the players build a wiki to share their knowledge and design my game with that in mind.
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>>166624603
>design my game with that in mind
That's terrible design tho.
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>>166624661
Nah, the game itself will keep track of most things. But I think I can add some complexity for the invested player while hiding most of it for the casual player. It's a delicate matter, though. I hope I will get it right.
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>>166624753
Alright, that's acceptable then. The wording in the previous post was askew to that idea.
If a person dedicates themselves, they should be able to figure everything out from the clues given with no outside assistance and no fucking retarded ideas like needing to combine a banana with some duct tape and an Alan Wrench.
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>>166624852
Well, the original Lost unlock was designed to be unlocked through community effort. That being said, killing yourself with the Missing Poster was very unlikely to be figured out by deduction. But the Missing Poster was also the most enigmatic of items, so the community might've found the solution. A single player would've never been able to unlock the Lost.
I still don't know if that's good or bad design. Probably a bit of both.
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>>166624972
Ambiguity is good in moderation, souls games lore is a testament to that.
I'd say shit like the Lost crosses a line where the adventure of solving the puzzle stops being fun and starts being a chore, and if it stops being fun then the puzzle stops having a purpose in the first place other than being there as filler content.
That's my opinion on the subject anyway, others may vary.
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>>166624972
It's bad design cause it wasn't just "Die while holding the Missing Poster."
It was "Die to a Sacrifice Room's Spike while holding the Missing Post."
Which no right-minded player would figure on their own because:
A. Sacrifice Rooms quickly show that they are just for (before the update for the Angels and shit) pooping out a few chests if you got plenty of extra HP.
B. Total fucking shit.
And while a dedicated player may wonder about the Missing Poster, the chance of making this connection is slim, since the room's regular purpose has already been established.
In addition, they couldn't even figure Sacrifice Rooms being their name because it's listed nowhere, it's just "That room with some spikes."
Thus, it's really bad design. While some multiplayer games whose allure is the community can benefit from community effort projects, a single-player (with local co-op that sucks) game does not benefit from it.
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>>166624972
If a lone player can never do something without the help of the community in a single player game then that's bad design.
>>
This reminds me: I'd like Sulfur more if it would give Brimstone permanently when activated three times in the same room. This way it would still be a nice challenge. Also, give it a more powerful effect if activated a second time so the player will try to find out what happens if they activate it another time.
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>>166625179
Looks like someone didn't play games in the era where secrets were actually secret and guides were sold at shops.
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>>166625929
And they could be predominantly found through effort and consideration.
La Mulana is a prime semi-modern example, excluding some horse shit towards the end that required old exes you didn't use for ages.
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>>166625929
I still remember being annoyed with "secret creep" with each passing Final Fantasy. You had to have those guides to find all the secrets behind more and more arbitrary gates as the series went along.
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>>166593364
Would have been much better if they shrunk the screen like Antibirth did for the Witness.
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WHAT DOES IT DOOOO????

TELL ME, STEAKMUND!!
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>>166626976
+2 soul hearts
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>>166626976
Another example of shitty design.
>When an entire storm of people across 3 different gathering locations on the Internet can't figure out what the fuck an item "does" beyond the obvious
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>>166626976
It "balances" the Angel Room item pool by adding an item that isn't as good as the others because the Angel Room item pool is way stronger than that of the Devil Room.
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how do i play isaac before i've learned what everything is
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>>166627372
You actually have fun and learn dodging enemy attacks and also to hit the enemies.
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>>166627372
Play the original to completion.
Then do the Wrath of the Lamb content.
Then 100% Rebirth.
Then 100% Afterbirth.
Then move onto AB+.
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How do you feel about permanent progression in roguelites?
Stuff like unlocking new characters that give different playstyles I'm fine with (like BoI, FTL or Risk of Rain) but I don't like stuff like having to unlock weapons or permanent buffs by spending in-game resources (like Necrodancer or Runestone Keeper).
It feels like it defeats the point for me.
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>>166626976
Now instead of getting an angel room with 3 spirit hearts and no item, you get an angel room with an item but it only gives you 2 spirit hearts.
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>>166628964
I greatly prefer the BOI, etc style over the Necrodancer style.
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>>166628964
necrodancer doesn't really matter, since single zones are basically just an extended tutorial

all zones mode is the real game, and you unlock that like unlocking ships in FTL, beat it with X to unlock Y
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>>166629486
necrodancer all zones unlock is just characters, right?
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>>166628964
Permanent progression feels like a staple by now.
>you have unlocked new things to make your life easier, find them and use them well
Or
>you have permanently unlocked new, harder content, go do it
Just feels right.
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>>166609384
Better than throne.
Or at least, recently.
I dunno. I'm pretty sure the NT devs finally abandoned it for good.
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>>166627081
how about you fuck off with this goddamn meme
>>
Wat if the Keeper didn't have his HP capped to 2? It would still be a decent enough challenge with not being able to get soul hearts and taking full heart damage from everything, while also providing a different play style and not being the equivalent of eating shit-flavored steak.
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>>166630332
What if he started with the Gullet of Greed?
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>>166630332
But then we wouldn't have any challenge character.
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>>166633010
Even with the Mantle, the Lost still qualifies as that.
>two hits in a room and you're ded
Pretty much the same as the Keeper, except you can't recover a hit with things like Swallowed Penny and such, and you get actual rewards by completing the game with him instead of A FUCKING PENNY
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>>166548404
>enter scarred womb for the first time
>gag a little
>immense wave of nostalgia hits me, this is the first time anything Ed's done has disgusted me in a long time
when I was a little goy he taught me what sex was
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>>166633809
The Lost is pretty much easy mode besides a couple of bosses. Pretty hard to fail when you have spectral tears, flight, mantle and free Devil Deals.
>>
>try to watch NL
>he resets 3 times in the first 5 minutes
>as lazarus
What happened to him?
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>120 volt + brimstone
Shame it's a throwaway run.
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>>166634403
don't tell Ed btw
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floor 1 non-seeded run :^)
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>pic related
>find ipecac

oh god do I do it veegee

>>166595505
Bethany a cute!
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>>166636529
i pussed out of getting ipecac

then I found two Jera runes in a super secret area
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>>166636752
EDMUND
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>>166630203
NT is pretty much dead
>Update 99 never, even if it's released for all platforms but PC
>It doesn't really matter, since it's nothing but 'some' bugfixes, which mods adressed a long time ago
>it's been a year, expect an even longer delay for the would-be meaningful U100

Rami Salami fucked off to Mexico with the money
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>>166637672
>Console ports are still fucked.
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>>166634783
he has been on full tilt lately
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>>166627372
just go look it up in the wiki until you know everything
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>>166636957
Can you still do that thing where you quit/re-enter the run to unlock the machine?
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>>166622673
w o t
g a m e
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>>166638274
>Console port of a roguelite
Isn't being fucked part of the porting process?
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>>166638498
yes, but you need:
>Glowing Hourglass
>A way to recharge it
>To overcome the infinite boredom of fighting ultra greed + greedier
>health to not die in the process

and even then, you can do it 5 times before the glowing hourglass turns into the normal one
>>
>>166628964
If a roguelite doesn't have unlockables then it's not a real roguelite, honestly.

>>166637672
It's really a shame, it had the potential to be the BEST roguelite.
It's still decent, but has some major flaws, like certain mutations not appearing the entire run and Rogue existing.
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>>166638664
Steredenn
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>>166639093
>If a roguelite doesn't have unlockables then it's not a real roguelite, honestly
wew lad
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>>166634827
why's it blue
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>>166640970
because it turns enemies into discotheques
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>>166599364
>>166599398
>>166599646
>>166599657
>>166599704
wait wtf really? you guys all use keyboard? ...why? gamepad is 1000% comfier
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>>166641095
what the fuck
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>>166641095
Gamepads are less precise.
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>>166641095
Gamepads are best
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>>166611105
rogueliKe or rogueliTe?

assuming you meant roguelike, IVAN has a special place in my heart. I love the sheer ridiculousness of it
>>
>>166599704
>tfw controller's left stick is right-biased
I need to take it apart and fuck with it a bit.
I hope to god I can fix it.

>>166641095
They're nearly all based on 4-direction movement/attacks.
Plus I prefer to be closer to the screen for roguelites/fast-paced games.
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>>166553630
They cant spawn in AB+
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>get amplified
>still didnt beat aria yet
>all zones start from zone 5
fugg :DD
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>>166642398
can't you uninstall the dlc
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>>166639093
If only NT didn't have retarded dutch devs

Source: am dutch, hate this shithole
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>>166642367
Nevermind it damages all enemies in the room. REDEEMED
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>>166642398
Zone 5 is much easier than zone 4, get some good gear in zone 5 and amplified aria ends up being much easier than base game aria
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>>166642517
jojo reference?????
>>
>>166642576
>>166642398
yea zone 5 is actually pretty decent, even nocturna's "downside" of zone 5 being in other zones is fun to me

though I do think she should start on zone 4, since she's supposed to be coming up from where the necrodancer was
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>>166641095
Because my controller is somewhere in my loft and i cant be bothered looking for it
Plus input lag
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>>166643095
haha xD
YARE YARE DAZE!!!
>>
>>166643147
ORA ORA ORA ORA
FUNNY AS HELL DUDE
MY SIDES ARE IN SPACE
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>>166643095
that's from titty ninja right
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>>166643218
The characters aren't ninjas nor do they have tits
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>>166643630
oh, i thought it was eyepatch girl from senran kagura
>>
>planetarium unlocked message
I don't need to finish this run right? i'm at muasoleum 2 with literally 0 damage ups and i can't take anymore
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>>166643095
>[Deleted]
Very nice.
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>mausoleum mom and mom's heart don't count towards post-it marks
Oh fuck, I got a lot more shit to do.
>>
i'm playing as eli for the first time and i can't stop bombing myself, send help
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>>166646625
1. put bomb
2. jump away from bomb
3. kick bomb
4. ???
5. profit
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>>166642617
>>
Did they buff hush or something? I saw some attacks that I haven't seen before
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>>166646876
Which ones? He's got
>tears spreading outward with tear arcs shooting out, in various patterns
>continuum tears
>spawn hush zombies
>go underground and move while shooting tears out and spawning hush boils
>light pillars that track you and leave creep behind
>red tear blobs that split into 4 tears
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>>166647364
I never saw the blobs before which is what I was referring to, sounds like they're not a new thing though
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If I take this in Void, where do I go?
>>
>love playing necrodancer
>love muting games and playing my music instead
what do?if i mute the audio and listen to other stuff my tempo gets all fucked up and i cant play
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>>166648724
stop being a faggot and enjoy the soundtrack
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>>166648724
>Not listening to Danny B's music
>>
SUPPLY DROP IS OUT
>SUPPLY DROP IS OUT
SUPPLY DROP IS OUT
>SUPPLY DROP IS OUT
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>>166648931
Yep. And so is the fourth Precursor Fortress in Subnautica.
And the Coffee Machine now works.
Guess which one I'll be playing.
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What is this button?
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>>166650215
I think it has to do with saving and quitting a run in progress

>>166648931
Oh shit, I know what I'm playing in a few hours
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>>166648724
I do that for games where the music is mediocre and/or not important, i.e. anything that isn't a fucking rhythm game with an amazing soundtrack you dunce
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>>166651197
jojo reference?
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>>166550572

>preferring style over substance
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>Ultra Hard
>Magic Mushroom, Money = Power
>Oh baby
>HP up, Rotten Baby, Big Fan, The Pony
>OH BABY
>Use card
>Hematemasis
>...I have brought this upon myself
>Continue through two bosses
>Synthoil, PJs
>Oh okay I can breath again

This run hasn't even gone anywhere yet and it's already a rollercoaster
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I love the Full Metal Jacket, this is literally what the armor should've been.
Also OH IT'S CTHULHU
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>>166562267

>I came back to Isaac after like a 2 year hiatus and shot up to 93% achievo's from about 50%, including The Lost.

that's not you magically getting better, the game is just really easy now. I went back to original isaac recently and have trouble just reaching the caves sometimes, let alone beating the game.
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>>166641747
>0.5.0
IVAN was updated a year or two ago, actually.
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>>166585960

mom items are rare these days, boss pool has been bloated to hell which is honestly part of the reason the game is so easy now. boss pool used to just be singular upgrade shit like +1 hp or +1 range or whatever, now you get shit that gives 3-4 stat ups.
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>>166648724
What kinda stupid question is that.
Put other stuff into the game.
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idea to make afterbirth harder:
if you get one of the transformations,you cant transform into anything else for the rest of the run
for example if you get mom transformation you cant be gappy even if you get your 3 gappy items
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>>166654414

guppy is the only transformation that is actually OP though.

like, bookworm is trinket tier, and most are single item tier at most.
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>>166654502
yeah but it keeps you from picking up items mindlessly
or sacrifice spun transformation by skipping decent syringe items like synthoil for gappy
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>>166654414

idea to make afterbirth harder: shrink the boss pool so you aren't getting magic mushroom and meat in basement and trivializing the rest of the game.
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>>166654616
>yeah but it keeps you from picking up items mindlessly
so literally make the the opposite of what isaac is supposed to be?
frick off m8
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>>166654616

all that does is make the gameplay more annoying, and requires you to read a wiki to find out which items ruin your run.
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>>166654679
Idea to make Afterbirth harder:
Actually sub-divide the Item Pools further and make them tailored relative to content done, Magic Mush can't be a Boss item unless you're in Burning Basement, Flooded Caves, etc.
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>>166654228
>mom items are rare these days
They're really not. It's extremely common.
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>>166654228
>Mom's Lipstick
>Mom's Purse
>Mom's Coin Purse
>Mom's Underwear
>Mom's Pearls
>Mom's Box
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>>166654968

how often do you get 3? entire mom collections are pretty easy to run into in classic isaac

this is also another thing they changed in rebirth; some of the better items outright required soul hearts, and to get an item that costed 2 hearts or 3 hearts you needed 2 or 3 hearts, you can't go in with less and still get it in this game.
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>>166654968
Bottle of pills too
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>>166655298
>how often do you get 3?
So often I wish it didn't happen because most of the items are crappy
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>got to the bullet's past
>dialogue is stuck at *exhale*
>game is softlocked
DODGE ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLL
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holy damn this song gets me pumping, I miss danny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEFgkagrgkM.
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>>166593471
Thats pretty hype
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>>166599704
I play necrodancer on keyboad its not bad u can remap the items to single keys
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>>166655975
*BRAAAAAAAP*
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>>166629567
Not him but if youre asking what you get for finishing runs in all zones then ya its characters.
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>>166648724
You can import your music into the game if you really want to
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>>166648724

>he mutes the soundtracks in video games

games are not for you
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>>166654616
>yeah but it keeps you from picking up items mindlessly
not even edmund chews his steak this much
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>>166649056
Did you really die to larry jr?
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>>166655298
>better items
>shows guppy's tail
What did he mean my this?
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>>166661230
it was probably faster than light larry jr (delirium)
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>Fairly ok at necrodancer but whenever I fuck up I just end up fucking up big time because I get out of beat.
>Died every time I've fought deep blues in the past dew days
>Have 18 bombs and bomb hat, just bomb any time something gets to me
>Game crashes on the 7th bomb
well sure game, I guess I'm just not supposed to beat them
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>>166663907
Are you playing cadence?
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>mine flayer
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>>166653425
>cthulu
they are called Illithids you uncultured swine
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>>166661230
>>166661796
Yup. Delirium Larry Jr., who went super fucking fast, and I couldn't dodge because bullet hell everywhere, and no safespace to jump to.
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>>166664623
nocturna
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Don't die yet /lite/. I just completed Blue Baby post-it.
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how come roguelite general dies so fast compared to roguelike general?are we really the inferior genre?
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>>166672128
Nah, they're just turbonerds. Look at Katawa Shoujo General for a perfect example as to how general viability has nothing to do with genre quality.
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>>166672283
>Katawa Shoujo.

Jesus christ I forgot about those guys. How many generals have they had?
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>>166668716
Deep blues is tricky at first. Having a weapon that can hit 2 or more squares away helps a lot. Also keep an eye on the knights theyl fuck ya up
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>>166672368
>>166663538
>3253
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>>166672428
Yea I hadn't played the game for ages but I got back into it after the dlc was announced and I'm still sort of rusty.

They seem to be the hardest normal boss, though if you don't have any range death metal would be annoying too.

>>166672502
Didn't they lose track a few years ago and just restarted?
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>>166672502
We've strayed too far from God's light
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>>166672556
>just restarted
God, I hope not.
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>>166672619
You can ask them,~3200 isn't all that much, I've been in a 24/7 general since mid 2010 and we're probably well past that number.
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>>166672556
In my oppinion assuming you have a weapon other then a dagger death metal is the hardest. Coral riff is the hardest with a dagger.
Death metal > deep blues > coral riff > king konga.
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>tfw only Dedication left and the five character winsteak
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>>166673468
>Coral riff is the hardest with a dagger.
Really? Killing the instruments is pretty easy and then you can de-water things. If you've only got stock dagger it'd take some shots to kill the boss itself but I still don't think it'd be that hard.

Also fortissimole doesn't seem that hard either.
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>>166673468
>King Conga
>easiest
Hell no, in my experience he's the hardest. I can never flawless him.
It's mostly because of the fucked up rhythm, though. I can't get used to it.
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>>166654502
I can confirm that Bookworm can make a difference. It's literally double damage for your shots and it activates quite often.
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>>166673672
>One
>Two
>Three
>Four
>Five
>Six
>Seven
>*Aria's death scream*
>YOU DIED! PRESS UP+DOWN TO RESTART
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>>166673724
Guppy is x3 damage and flying.

Bookworm is like x1.2 damage
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>>166673947
Bookworm is easily achievable on the first floor when you find a library.
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>>166673672
You can stand on a specic square and the enemies will lign up for you to kill assuming you dont miss the rest.
>>166673530
Its hardest for me but i might be bad i either fuck up the flawless trying to hit the actual boss with the dagger or go to move get stuck in the water and die to the instuments. Also, i dont understand when the new boss comes up from digging i always beat him by brute force
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>>166673872
I was talking about cadence for instance with monk FUCK deep blues
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is hotline miami a roguelite?
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>>166675446
the first one?
technically, kinda
although i wouldn't label it as such
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>>166675446
In what fucking world?
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>>166675446
Replace "party" with "thread".
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>>166675446
As much of a roguelite as meat boy is.

The answer is no holy fucking shit, the main part of the game is memorizing the map, which is the EXACT opposite of roguelite
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God the new Cthulhu boss in Gungeon is tough.
How the fuck do you deal with his mines?
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what other roguelites are like rogue legacy, where you can add permanent improvements to your character to carry over into all new lives?
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roguelite genre was a mistake
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>>166680216
Video games were a misteak.
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Now that I've 100%'d Rebirth, The Lost and all, should I go to Afterbirth and do all of that or just head to AB+?
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quick faggots, I'm going to list some boss names and you have to pick one and only one:

>Monstro III
>Larry Sr.
>Giga Horn
>Daddy-No-Legs
>mass o' flies
>the risen
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For some reason, Steam won't let me boot Afterbirth+. Regular Afterbirth works fine, so I don't know what the issue is.

Or is this intentional by Steakmund
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>>166681489
Play Antibirth instead, unless you want achievements at the cost of fun.

>>166681668
Monstro III.
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>>166681668
Mass o' Flies
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>>166681668
Monstro III
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>>166681668
Monstro III
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>>166681668
Monstro III
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>>166681668
Daddy Nolegs
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>>166681668
Larry Sr.
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>first floor has a 5 pip dice room
>use it after beating the boss
>another 5 pip dice room
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>>166681668
>No Papa Plum
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>>166677806
i haven't seen him yet, how do the mines work?
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>>166681489
>Afterbirth
easy choice
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The bullet's past is fucking hard. Jesus lord. Do I really have to just swipe away at the pig with that shitty sword?
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>>166681668
What about _____Dad_____?
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>>166675814
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>>166681668
>No Papa Gurdler
>No Lokiii
>No Ultimate Satan
>No ___Dad
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>>166681668
Larry Señor
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>>166682902
>head has a sombrero and a moustache
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>>166682872

>ultimate satan
>dad

but anon, dad is the mega satan variant
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>>166683124
>>
I think I may have a new favorite track in necrodancer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgYLmA9Dcn8
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Binding of Isaac has officially been milked for all it's worth. As of Delerium defeat, Isaac is quite literally dead.
That means it's time for a sequel.

Pitch your story for a sequel.
Gameplay is going to stay relatively the same with potential tweaks and updated graphics, but what we need is a new protagonist. Nothing is going to capture the lightning in a bottle the same way as Isaac in the chest, but lets see what we can come up with.
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>>166683393

>milked for all its worth
>he doesn't know about Bumbo
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just finished a run on the new character, warhammer completely trivializes the run you dont even have to think.
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>>166683393
Isaac grows up and gets married, his wife gives birth to twin, Jacob and Esau

When Isaac is on his deathbed and has become blind Jacob tricks him into thinking he's Esau (the first born by a matter of minutes) so Isaac declares him the sole inheritor of his now vast estate.

Esau hears about this and gets mad so he throws Jacob into a dungeon, which you have to escape from.
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>>166683950
yeah we were talking about this in the last thread, it should be removed from the game until its reworked to be not hilariously OP
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>>166683393
>Milked
Booster Packs.
Legend of Bumbo.
>Sequel
IN THE LAND OF THE DEAD, HECK BOY AIN'T IT GRAND?
In all seriousness, Isaac's dead, his alter egos all manifest as new characters to play as and that can appear along his journey to help him as he attempts to find peace in the afterlife.
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Finally, I beat robot's past.
I'm getting kinda sick of dodge roll's SJW agenda, though.
The Last Human is a fucking female. If that isn't pandering then I don't know what is..
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>>166684115
i had warhammer + ring of freezing so no one was getting anywhere close to touching me
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>>166684156
Booster packs aren't really milking it, they're free.
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>>166682862
I did not expect you to actually do it you absolute madman
Saved, will use the next time I see a hotline miami thread on /v/. Thank you.
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>>166684156
>Booster Packs.
You mean the community's modifications being put into the game and nerfing what's too fun about them?
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>>166683961
>Isaac grows up
Anon...

>>166684156
I'm fucking sick of Isaac. I'm talking about an entirely new and unrelated story you unimaginative feebs.
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>>166684646
So, there's this little hobo who really likes coins. He goes into this sewer but the sewer is made out of cardboard.
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Who was the game developer who put out a promotion looking for people to help him work on his game, but they had to pay him, and they wouldn't be recognized for their work?
I know it sounds like a joke but I'm positive I remember it happening
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>>166684604
>/v/
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>>166684646
>entirely new and unrelated
>Sequel
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>>166684797
No other place with Hotline Miami threads, not even on /vg/. Shame I know.
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i wonder how retarded one has to be in order to get triggered by a girl character in a game.
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>>166684889
That doesn't mean you have go to such an autistic cesspool like /v/.

>>166684905
?
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>almost accidentally Crooked Penny voided it again
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>>166685313
What happens if you void Void?
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>>166685048
>Wanna talk about game
>Nowhere to talk about game except cesspool because "muh elite awesome board" is dead to it
Hmm.
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>>166685470
you could always make a thread on /trash/, there was a pretty active ftl general there for a while
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>>166683393
>>166684646
The binding of Mom, where mom leaves her house looking for isaac because hes missing.
Level progression: Forest, Caves, Temple, Hell, Hush or The Voice
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>>166683393

nig, there's still the expansion where you can go to limbo in lieu of heaven/hell where you unlock the path to the dad boss fight, who drops the family photo item which ,when held, allows you to progress past limbo to the barren bedroom. Instead of a boss fight, barren bedroom has an empty boss room with a burning hole in the middle, which leads all the way back to a 2x2 burning basement room where you fight your sister, who phases from an isaac clone to a shrieking bloody version to ultimately a dark demonic version that surrounds itself with orbiting shielded tears forcing you to weave in and get into its face to kill it, dropping a giant red chest

then you learn in the final boss that isaac's sister had died in a chest in their basement, from smoke inhalation, trying to escape a fire isaac started. the rebirth ending scenes are reframed to show that his sister was the one on the missing poster and that her remains were what mom found in the chest, which was actually charred red from the fire. Isaac imagines he was the one who died, because he thinks himself evil, but he is still alive.
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>>166684797

/vg/ isn't better than /v/, don't kid yourself. /v/ is a husk of it once was, /vg/ never had anything good to be a husk of in the first place.
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>>166686950
not him but atleast people talk about games here
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Melody is LITERALLY FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE
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>>166687742
She's LITERALLY easier than Cadence.
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>>166563647
>abandonware

what is this meme

>make game
>finish game
>sell game

>lmao they abandoned it

Finishing a game, period, is NORMAL.
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>>166687926
Except that they didn't finish the game, unless you consider "buggy as shit" a finished product.
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>>166684875
>What is Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest
Don't be daft, a sequel doesn't have to be a continuation of story.
I just want to see the same type of storytelling given to a new soul. Could even be a mirror to Isaac's story, a girl alone with her dad, and we'll all assume it's the same thing where she's gone crazy and is hiding somewhere, but it turns out she's gone crazy and is actually, genuinely killing/torturing her father.

I just want something different. Isaac is old and dead, let it die and lets apply the formula to a new family.
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>>166687926
Except they didn't finish it, didn't even finish doing an update the announced, and never fixed the horrendous console ports. It's a fucking travesty of a game.
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>>166687742
what are you having problems with? >>166687815
is right shes easier then cadence.
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>>166688719
>>166687815
I meant Aria. The grandmother. The one who you die if you miss a beat or get hit at all.
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Okay then. I somehow managed to walk through a normal door and into a boss fight. This update still needs some fixing.
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>>166689062
report it to them, they are good about fixing stuff
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>I'm Excited! pill persists for the entire floor in Greed Mode
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>>166689337
i hope this is a bug, im drowsy is great tho
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>>166689198
Already have, and they're on the steam forums confirming that they know. Its nice to see they're on top of this stuff.
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>>166689441
I think it's somewhat closer to the Retro Vision pill with a "relapse" effect. But when you're in waves the monsters stay fast as fuck.
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>playing as the Lost
>find an underground market
>with a restock machine
>30 free items
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This feels a bit excessive.

>still trying to get the five character winsteak

>>166690361
NOW WIN THAT RUN!
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>>166690361

>playing as Keeper
>obligatory Swallowed Penny in the Cellar to start the run
>couple of floors later
>oh cool an arcade
>and a shop
>and a restock box
>and chaos
>and the donation machine dropped IV Bag

Guess who got Keeper done today in 1 Run and a Victory Lap
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so when's there going to be a sale for necrodancer amplified, because i'm sure as hell not buying an early access DLC for 17 dollars
they made a -75% discount for the original, couldn't they have at least made the DLC -25% at launch?
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>>166689062
That happened to me once before the update, too. I guess it just wasn't fixed.
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>>166683393
Easy.
Three words:
Dante's Divine Comedy.
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I love Gungeon, but holy shit do I suck at it.
>keep getting to floor 5
>sheer number of bullets and shit gets me most of the time, the dragun finishes me off the rest
At least I know people worse at this than me, but I seem to have hit a wall that I just can't get past.
>>
Why can I open Afterbirth just fine but Afterbirth+ won't boot at all
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>>166691106
it's $6.99 man

http://store.steampowered.com/app/554000/

pretty damn reasonable for a dlc
>>
>>166691319
i just played for the first time in a long time, only made it to floor five as robot. feelsbadman. dragun is actually pretty easy when you get his pattern down, i would say the forge itself is harder.
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What's up with those skittish hearts moving away from you as soon as you get close?
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>>166690713
we have to go beyond
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is there a supply drop torrent yet?
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>>166692148
Isaac - The Destroyer of Worlds
>>
Help I can't play anyone except Judas

Taking more than 2 minutes on a boss is fucking hell
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>>166692627
That reminds me, why does Blue Baby have a 1.05x damage modifier? Most other characters with positive ones start at 1.2x.

When will 5% more damage make a massive difference
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>floor 1 rag man
>>
>Still no Duchess of Flies
>>
FUCKING
>>166693094
GIT
>>166692627
GUD
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>>166595505
>tfw I unlocked planetarium on my ~3rd run trying to get it
>tfw I just barely managed to do it to
Seriously, I had 2 zodiac symbols in the dark room, teleported to the boss, and then the very last room on the floor that was just outside the boss room had a chest with another zodiac symbol in it.
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>>166693262
>every thing in the game is a bullet sponge unless you get lucky and get damage upgrades all run

git gud lol
>>
>it's an "An otherwise awesome run gets cut short by running into Ipecac Bloat" episode
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>>166691106
>because i'm sure as hell not buying an early access DLC for 17 dollars
Are you blind? It's $7, not $17
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>>166692627
Take your time. Unless it's something where you have to rush, like Hush/Delirium or Boss Rush, you don't have to go too fast.

>>166693094
R

>>166694981
Playing April's Fool helps vent frustration towards Bloat.
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>>166692245
>pirating indie games
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>>166696005
Most indie devs don't have the funds to hire lawyers to sue you for pirating. :^)
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>>166696092
>fear of getting sued is the sole reason he doesn't pirate
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>>166696005
ones that are one sale for 50% off too
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>>166688851
>Aria Zone 5 for the sweet new remixes
>Shovel of courage, sweet a fun new item
>screws up the dig buffer because of the +1 step forward
>crashes into enemy, bye potion
>panics and mashes keys, dies due to missed beat

I need more practice against those golden electric mages. Zone 4 is still far easier for me than Zone 5.
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>>166699671
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THERE WAS A ZONE 5
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>>166699739
Amplified adds a 5th Zone.
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>>166699671
shovel of courage gives you immunity for 1 beat after a dig like how ring of courage gives you immunity for 1 beat after a kill
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>>166699875
That's great, but all I wanted to do was close the 1 square gap between me and the Gorgon.
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>>166700129
find a bounce trap
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killed the past as robot, now must do bullet. how hard is the challenge mode thing?
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>>166700296
It would probably be easier to just open a door next time. But for now I think I'll just stick to not picking that item up as Aria anymore.
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FUCKING FIVE NIGHTS AT MOM'S

WHY EDMUND WHY
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if anyone wants to know who the boss of robot's past is. image related. they did a damn fucking good job with this dlc.
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Did they nerf the greem golem things in zone 4? The mini zone only goes off once now
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>>166700949
I got to 1001% with my longest win streak being 2 and had to step it the fuck up for Afterbirth+ myself too.

You can use Greed mode to do it easier and faster, start with harder characters. IIRC I did Cain Greed, Lilith Greed, Azazel Normal, Isaac Normal, Apollyon Normal.

Good luck.
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>>166701043
>imagine related
He's the future leader of the robot resistance and he has to stop a human that has been sent back in time to kill him with the help of a robot from the future?
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>>166700949
just do it on normal mode. azazel, isaac, samson, cain, and apollyon. go from order of hardest for you to easiest.
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>>166702167
he is the greatest warrior in the robot army fighting against the human resistance, they give him the honor of killing the last human. he can choose yes/no much like the pasts of most of the other people. the implication is that he said no the first time so now he goes back to finish the job. i don't know if anything happens if you pick no, but probably not based on the other pasts.
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>>166693094
Other than the fight taking for god damn ever, I don't have a problem with Rag Man.

Unless it's champion red rag man.

Champion red rag man with no damage ups is literal hell. I'd rather fight the Haunt.
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>>166702387
To be fair, based on every single fantasy and sci-fi series I have ever read or watched, we have it coming.
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>>166702421
The only one I really hate is the one that constantly spawns spiders and does nothing else. That boss is shit.
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>>166702076
I'm doing Cain, Samson, Azazel, Lilith, Isaac Normal Mode. Last time I got fucked up by Bloat with Lilith.
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>>166702524
That's the champion red variant

>>166702543
>Lilith Normal
No
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>>166702614
I'm doing four Greed runs and then Isaac on normal, anon.
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>>166702689
normal is easier desu, also you don't even have to go all the way. you can take the negative to the cathedral.
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>>166703163
You might be right.
Doing an Apollyon normal run now for #4. Time for some sweet active item abuse.
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>I used to have problems with the Haunt
>Now I take zero damage on his fight and instead get hit by Monstro a lot
I don't know what happened.
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>>166701854
seems that way
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>>166703634
>died on run #4 to closed in Portals spawning Fat Bats

pls kill me
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>Manage to beat dead ringer by a stroke of dumb luck because I'm shit apparently
>Cutscene plays
>Game black screens
wow this game just hates me doesn't it
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>tfw never made it past floor 2 in gungeon
how do i git gud?
also, are there any torrents for supply drop yet?
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>>166705702
I beefed it on the first attempt but I killed him on the second.

Most of the minibosses got killed by his bombs thank fuck
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>>166708009
>how do i git gud?
by practicing
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>finished Have a Heart challenge
>2 new pills!
>oh i wonder what they are
>re-lax and ???

This steak is delicious.
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>>166682580

Just got murdered by Not-Ganon myself, holy fuck. Though admittedly, I think I could have done it if I hadn't taken dumb damage in the first phase.

Does the Bullet get an alt costume too?
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>>166709516
>Does the Bullet get an alt costume too?
yes
http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Bunny_Link

>>166682580
yeah, it's actually not that bad you just have to be really patient and take your time. i just beat it on my first try but it took a while.
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Alright. Time to stop playing.
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>>166709421
And since they're Neutral, PHD doesn't get rid of them!
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>Mfw getting Super Hot Watch for the first time.

Totally worth the hassle of actually unlocking it.
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>>166709983
Any item in a game that references Super Hot is 99% of the time worth it.
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>>166710023
Except for the super hot guns in NT Ultra mod
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>Enter the Gungeon finally fucking has save and exit

Jesus CHRIST.
Is this piece of shit FINALLY FUCKING worth playing now?
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can't decide if this is the best track or the new 1-1 is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_ne2h9Kjr0
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>>166709823
>game punishes you for being good at it
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>>166710352
been worth playing since it came out desu if you not a shitter
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>>166710683
would you criticize god hand for that?
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>bloodied scarf
>teleport
nothing personnel
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>>166710761
My complaints have nothing to do with difficulty.

After Nuclear Throne and Binding of Isaac though, the lack of actual fun variety and synergies of items and weapons couples with the time it takes to kill everything just made the game so damn boring that I couldn't finish a run in one sitting.

But that was back at launch, I'd hope by now theres more interesting shit in it, as well as save & quit which is a fucking feature that should have existed from the start.
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>>166710812
>dynamically adjusting difficulty is same as permanently unlocking a downgrade
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>>166711192
Don't forget the achievement just so spite people that makes half soul hearts exist
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>>166711157
it's better than ever, but you still won't like it
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>>166711368
Well I can't return it so might as well try it.
Besides that Afterbirth+ is shit and I've already finished all of Antibirth.
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So how's the update ?
My PC fried, so I can't play now
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>>166712142
Which one, Isaac, Necro, or Gungeon?
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>>166712142
afterbirth+ is dog shit
amplified is good
don't play gungeon but it's apparently good
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>>166712425
>>166712452
Ah yes I forgot
I was talking about Gungeon
Also why is afterbirth+ is shit ?
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>>166712585
>Also why is afterbirth+ is shit ?
hoo boy do you want the full list
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>>166712631
Yea boi bring it on
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Why do the stupid rooms with the spiked doors even exist in the binding of isaac?

Who in their right mind would willing take 2 hits just for the privilege of opening the stupid evil chests to be attacked by bombs and spiders.
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>>166713429
guppy dream and soul hearts
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>>166713429
>>166713502
also you can mitigate the damage in multiple ways
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>>166711259
Why do people think half soul hearts are bad? Unlocking them doesn't make you find less full soul hearts.

Personally, I dislike blended hearts far more than half soul hearts. RNG has me mostly finding blended hearts when I'm running with empty heart containers to trigger Whore of Babylon.
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>>166712142
really good
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>Switch could be the perfect platform for portable roguelite games.
>But it has no D-Pad.
Playing Necrodancer while on the toilet using the Vita's glorious D-Pad has spoiled me.
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>>166712585
>Also why is afterbirth+ is shit
it's not as bad as people make it out to be, but it's not great. i've got 100 hours out of it and i paid 6.69 so has been worth it. there are a lot of great additions but greedier is shit just like greed was shit, and the new boss is cool but sorta annoying.
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we did it reddit
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>>166716730
You have officially surpassed me.
Good work.
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>>166716791
get on that
in other news it turns out every character has their own soundtrack, what the heck?
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>>166717217
Yeah, just wait until you get to Le Decrepit Grandma.

My ears exploded.
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>>166714134
It has a chance of rerolling full soul hearts into half ones. So yes, it does lower your chance at full ones.
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>>166689337
Its supposed to work for the entire floor tho
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>necrodancer 2
this is a very silly boss
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>>166719818
followup
I was not prepared for angry grandma mode
game is fucking hard
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>Finally got to Zone 4 boss for the first time.
>Died to Dead Ringer.
At least I made it past 4-2 for once.
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>>166720440
dead ringer is pretty easy once you get a feel for him
the first time though yeah it's pretty the fuck is going on
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Should I buy Afterbirth+?
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>>166721614
No
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>>166721614
Depends, do you hate fun?
Do you love chewing your steak slooooooowly?
Then afterbirth+ is for you.
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>Ultra Hard
>Boss room of 2 Fallen
>Trying to get one to split first
>Other keeps doing the charge/brimstone attack
>Split both at the same time
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>>166721614
General consensus is "holy fuck no".
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I hate my shitty luck. Always shit items that I don't want. Fuck this game
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>>166727813
>holy mantle and lil brim on caves
>complaining
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>>166727813
Eat shit. Rubber cement is great.
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Why are the challenges on Afterbirth+ so shitty? It's like they put almost no effort into them. Why didn't we get more bosses and regular enemies too?
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>>166727813
>lil brim
>holy mantle
>rubber cement
???

>>166728078
>It's like they put almost no effort into them.
There's your answer.
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>>166727889
and pyromaniac
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>>166728078
cause ab+ is literally a money grab
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>Hammer Time and Gorgun's Glaze
Holy shit this makes me mad.
It's like the fucking hammer wasn't annoying and bullshit enough.
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>>166728068
>>166728112
>>166727889
fuck off. It could be so much better. Lil Brim is overrated garbage and Holy mantle is useless if you never get hit.
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>>166728295
Rubber Cement is okay. Lil Brim is not great. Holy Mantle is awesome.
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>>166728295
>useless if you never get hit.
Right, I can't believe I fell for such weak bait.
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>>166728295
>having those great items instead of getting brother bobby and all the beans
yeah man you're so unlucky
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>>166728295
>Two great defensive items
>At least two good attack items
You have a very strange set of opinions, Mr. Person who I suspect holds R a lot
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>>166728387
He also has the best card in the game.
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>>166709814
what's the last one
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>>166705702
Once you take care of the shit that comes from the four bells just dance in the middle till he kills himself
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>isaac gets afterbirth+ and antibirth
>gungeon gets supply drop
>necrodancer gets amplified
>nuclear throne gets nothing
what did vlambeer mean by this?
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>>166719818
Wait whos boss is that
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>>166729534
We're sorry for your inconvenience!
As you can see, I'm too busy being a SJW on twitter while spending my dosh on a trip to Mexico!
I can assure you that it will be out by the year 2018!
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>>166728353
>>166728387
>>166728408
One of the worst runs I ever had so far. Keep telling yourself that those items are "good"
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>>166728295
>>166728295
>>166729875
I know you're baiting, but what are you favorite items then?
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>>166729958
Brimstone plus Tammy's Head.
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>>166729717
Melody's floor 4 boss
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>>166730030
>his favorite items are the ones that 1000% guarantee a win
W E W L A D
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>>166730060
Ya i rememberer after i posted i havent played melody in awhile so i forgot she fought the necrodancer as well.

Do you guys think melody is easier or harder than the new character?
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>>166730459
Harder.
Nocturna is at the same level as Bard, if not easier.
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>Eggman gets a 10/10 Greedier run with Death's Touch and Jacob's Ladder
>says fuck it and picks up Missingno
>gets Cursed Eye in the Ultra Greed floor
>accepts that he fucked up and quits
Oh fucking wow
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why the fuck did it have to be tech x. I want Brimstone.
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>>166730501
I think bard will always be the easiest since you dont have to fuck around with the beats. Do you think that newer players would be able to abuse her starting weapons ability (its really cool/strong) well? Melody is nice and easy because you have a safty bubble, but for nocturna you have a longsword with a unique property.
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>>166730635
Yeah you're just a baiting bitch. Enjoy your steak.
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>>166730635
>gets literally the best item in the entire game
>complains because he didn't get the second best item
pls
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>>166730753
Tech X is legitimately one of the worst items in the game. Only one I'd rate worse is Cursed Eye, maybe Nr.2
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>>166730807
Now you're just being boring.
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>>166730868
What the fuck is good about it? You have to charge it to make it any good and it the same time I charge Brimstone and kill the entire room. Tech X is slow and shit.

kys
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>>166730787
is tech x really better than brimstone?
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>>166731001
nah, tech x is a tier-5 item.
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>>166731001
yes
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>>166731001
It's pretty much a Brimstone that can be tap-shot, which gets thiccer if you charge it up. It also looks cool as fuck.
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>>166731001
I'd rate Tech X on the same level as the Ludovico Technique.

Okay but not game-winning.
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>>166731035
Do you mean that as tier 5 or tier -5?

>>166730938
Do you even know how Tech X works? You have to adjust the charge depending on the enemies, either full charge circle for area clearing or rapid fire low charge for more concentrated DPS.

>>166731163
>>166731001
>tap-shot
This is why Tech X is good.
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>>166731236
Tier 5 as in "shit". A good item would be Tier 2 and an amazing item Tier 1.
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>>166731285
Oh you're the baiting asshole. I bet >>166731001 is also you, samefag.
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>>166731328
Do you know what's worse than unironically replying to bait?
Replying to bait after you've called it out on being bait.
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any mods worth checking?
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>>166731328
keep telling yourself that
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Is that stupid rat that steals your guns still in
Gungeon? I hate that guy
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Dark bum is best familiar
Prove me wrong
protip: you can't
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What is everyone's favorite item combination in Isaac? Mine is Tech X + Spoon Bender, it completely destroys enemies and bosses alike, and looks pretty cool doing it.
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>>166732160
Pyromaniac + ipecac is pretty much an insta win desu
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>>166732160
The Inner Eye + Mutant Spider + any synergies between those
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>>166732160
For the sake of bumping the thread my favorite necrodancer combo is rapier + ring of courage because you can just skate across the map
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Was the Soy Milk tear rate ever fixed? I remember people saying that it was meant to be even faster than it was but because of the hard tear rate cap it was borked as an item
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>>166733393
>Was the Soy Milk tear rate ever fixed?
it wasn't broken. it's just a niche item you only want in a small number of situations
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>>166734112
No it legitimately was, in the code its supposed to fire faster than it does.
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>>166734383
>implying that would make soy milk better
it'd still be shit
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>>166732000
B B F
B
F
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>>166734746
It wouldn't be the absolute shit it is now at least.
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>>166734921
that's an orbital
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>>166735128
wait no, i was thinking of big fan.
bbf is bad
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>>166734112
>Soy Milk+Fire Mind
mini allahu akbar.jpg
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Is beating challenge mode an achievement in Gungeon?
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>Recently got into Isaac, didn't play Afterbirth properly
>Never unlocked Lost or Keeper
>Play for hours to get Missing poster and suicide with Azazel
>Play Lost for a while, kinda hard but fun
>Get Epic Fetus
>Run is going great
>Kill a vase that launches a spider right in front of me and kills me
>Fuck that was retarded, if only i had Holy Mantle
>There's an unlock for Lost with Holy Mantle
>890 Coins, start donating
>Get to 999 coins after 2 days because machine keeps fucking jamming at 4-5 cents, finally unlock hourglass
>Wait wha-
>890 Coins in the GREED donation machine
>There's 2 fucking different machines in the game that needs 1000 coins each to unlock all the stuff
>Play Greed, somehow get to 500 coins
>Tired, look online
>Glowing Hourglass makes everything easier
>Get excellent run with full pickups, Glowing Hourglass, 2 of Diamonds and Chaos card
>Kill greed, start donating, when machine jams Hourglass away, Habit myself and recharge
>Do this a few times, im 800 coins in
>Fuck up Chaos, kill normally, get "Fool Card" which apparently means you dont have to kill Greed anymore
>Use it, get back inside
>Greed Donation Machine is gone
>End run, come to /vg/ to vent

Why did my lazy ass decide to try anything so close to the finish line, i wanted to play some Lost with Holy Mantle now i gotta waste more time in Greed mode, fuck.
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>>166736824
Huh, I thought you had to complete greed mode with the lost for mantle
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>>166736824
Protip: There's a mod for putting a Dollar and the Greed Donation machine on Greed Basement on Modding of Isaac. Use it if you don't like that Steak deep fried.
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God the baseball bat is so fucking fun.

>>166736623
Yes.
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>>166737104
>ONE HUNDRED damage as the cost of 2 Curse and having to get in Melee range
What the fuck. That's insane.
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>>166737072
Does it fuck up the Achievements? I know it's retarded but im trying to get Achievements.
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>>166737612
In Afterbirth? No.
In Afterbirth+? Yes, but you can bypass that (for now).
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>>166737663
How do i do it though? Im playing Afterbirth+
Got the rooms folder and put it in the resources one, nothing happens though.
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Ludovice with Quad shot with toxic damage with Split Tears with Holy Shot

If I move that thing over an enemy it just fucking explodes in an atomic explosion. Jesus Christ.
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>>166737104
Is their "No fun allowed" balans finally gone?
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>>166737970
It's a D-grade item, so basically yes if you're willing to deal with some Jammed enemies.
(That means it's in Brown chests.)
And has no unlock.
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>>166738163
Actually you have to unlock the new merchant and buy it from him in the breach.
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>>166732160
Brimstone + Ludovico

or Azazel beam/Brimstone + Bomber Boy + Sad Bombs, melts most bosses and your FPS
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>>166738229
Oh. Man, the Wiki needs updating.
Still, that's not that bad. Hopefully he doesn't spawn too deep.
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>>166736824
>now i gotta waste more time in Greed mode, fuck.
just work on the unlocks you don't have. as it stands you have to clear greed mode 14 times and greedier 14 times for all unlocks. i hate the grind but really 28 runs should be more than enough to put plenty of coins in the machine, especially since it's even easier to donate in greedier. lost with mantle is a lot more fun.
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>>166738320
Nah, I found him in Oubliette.
He lets you unlock most of the shit that was added in Supply Drop.
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>>166737970
>Is their "No fun allowed" balans finally gone?
you mean the "shit scrubs still don't get carried except in the rarest of situations" they left it that way thankfully
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>>166721614
yes, all of these retards complaining about AB+ are really only complaining about either "m-m-muh ez pz game is no longer ez pz??" or a once in a while bad room which honestly doesn't really matter all that much.

>inb4 steak meme or t. edmund/tyrone
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C'mon now Lucy. I know business has been hard lately, but this is just fucking sad.
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>>166738716
I'll never understand why the bible is in devil deals
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>>166738692
But Afterbirth doesn't make the game harder, it just makes it more tedious and annoying, Steakmund.
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>>166738784
because they took the rosary at some point or have chaos
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>>166738784
Rosary.
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>>166738787
>tedious and annoying
if you want to be rid of big horns damage scaling, throw a bomb into his mouth
golden greedier's move set is actually really easy to doge
delirium is an ok boss that is easy to dodge, teleporting on top of you is the only actually horrible thing i can say they need to fix
new rooms are fine, complaining about them won't change them
new items are fantastic, really, maybe excluding belly button and polydactyly or however the fuck that's spelled, and midnight snack.
new transformations are great
new pills are great
new enemies aren't even an issues
do you want to give me an actual example as to why AB+ is tedious and annoying that i didn't get to here besides "wah wah dun wanna do dailies"?
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>>166737663
Anyone knows how to do this on AB+?
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>>166739059
addition: i will admit the challenges are fucking retarded besides pong, pong was fun
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>>166739059
edmund sure appreciates your white knighting ;)
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>>166721614
if you liked AB, yes.
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>>166739706
yeah and i'm going to be buying legend of bumbo and ouroboros as well
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>>166739059
>>166739202
i agree with you except for the challenges. i liked all of them except ULTRA RNG.
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>>166738416
>most of the new stuff is literally paywalled behind funny hegemony
WHO FUCKING DECIDED ON THIS
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So what ETG items are just bad? Guns are subjective but I mean the passive and active items. Ring of Cloranthy I can confirm for shit that doesn't need to be in shops.
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>this dailies 2nd boss with the item set you get
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YOOOOOOOOOUUUU TYROOOOOOOOOOOOOOONEEEEE
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>>166740282
who the fuck doesn't have hundreds of h-credits sitting around at this point?
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>>166740426
>Guns are subjective
T-Shirt Cannon and this piece of shit.
Also, either new Merchant can spawn on any floor or you need to have every other Merchant to unlock him.
If it's the former, fuck you Dodge Roll.
If it's the latter, this game is still too hard for me.
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>>166737104
Is it at least to the Dragun? Just got fucked by ghost of the shell + hammer time on the Mine Flayer.
Can't imagine going through hell with this shit.
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>>166741181
wtf are you on? pox cannon is legit good, and t-shirt cannon is ok at the worst. it has great knockback.
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>>166741224
Yeah, it unlocks right after beating the Dragun.
If it's too hard, the devs said that they're gonna add positive effects to rooms, since right now they're all either shit or a trade-off.
>>
How do we balance the warhammer
>>
Just died to a don't blink + blobulin rancher room
fuck me i was playing badly
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>>166743670
I had a good one going and got shockwave + hammer time against the beholster. rip me.
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So is ETG good yet? My biggest complaint about it is that the passive items are boring as hell. Did they add more that do actual useful stuff or will every other item I get still being some silly gimmick?
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>>166740606
Flush insta-kills him.
I've learned that after I died.
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>>166729346
Yea, it's just that I somehow damaged him to phase 2 ( I didn't have 10 damage) and then just by trying to orient my self I ended up getting him running into the gong.

The second time I was fighting him took a lot longer because I couldn't remember how to position him to the gong, so I ended up taking a lot of hits, but I had blood whip so I was able to heal on the necrodancer minions.
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>>166744436
>So is ETG good yet?
Is now and always was laddo.
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>>166744668
didn't have a charge, sadly
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>>166744778
Did you have a phasing dagger the first time?
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>>166745018
No I had a like 3-power spear
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>>166745061
Hmm weird i dunno then
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>>166744783
i'll take that as a "no"
>>
>lose a challenge mode run
>close Gungeon out of frustration
>5 minutes later back on another run
guess i'll be here a while
>>
>With most everyone done with Isaac until the first Booster Pack drops, Gungeon is picking up pace since Amplified isn't free
Yay...
But seriously where the fuck is Doug.
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>>166744783
So it's still awful. Got it.
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>thermal clips
>wallmonger
>only non shit gun is the railgun
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help
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>>166749402
Sorry lad you're just dead
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>>166749402
F
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>>166749402
You still got your potion.
And it's not all zones, it's not like it really matters.
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>>166749402
You have only yourself to blame.
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>>166750184
Ya but no matter what he does after his potion pops he will get hit again
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Warning for those who haven't done the daily:
Keep at least one charge of Flushed for the bosses (i.e. don't be a dunce and use them all beforehand). You'll need it.
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>>166754759
>Inb4 Dingle into Turdlings into Double Trouble Dangle into Brownie
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>>166754879
It's not particularly hard, it's just to do with the items you'r given. There's probably a bunch of people who got caught out and are mad
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The challenge with Maggy at like, -1 speed is the most infuriating thing in the world if you're unlucky
>only way to win the run in a semi decent amount of time is to abuse devil deals
>if you don't get a spirit heart before or during the start of floor two you're fucked, as dodging in that state is basically impossible
fuck me i swear
The worst thing is that it's not even hard, just incredibly fucking tedious
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>>166755680
maybe you shouldn't do it then. oh, what's that? you are austic?
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>>166755791
No, I just want to unlock everything in a game about unlocking everything.
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>>166755906
Bad news, that's autism now
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>>166756115
Shit.
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ab+ update tonight
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>>166757569
Is it the update that makes AB+ good?
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>>166757608
that already happened a few updates ago
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>>166755680

unlock the pill then, casual.
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>>166758072
Shit, you got me, I'm a filthy casual. Is my sentence you explaining what that meant?
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how do you beat golden lute consistently?
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>>166758149

maggy permanently starts with a speed up pill after beating the april's fool challenge, this means:

1. +15 speed boost minute 1
2. speed up pill is always in the pool
3. speed up pill doesn't need to be found through pill popping
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>>166758587
Oh shit. Alright, that's incredibly useful.
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Finishing up Apollyon post-it. I got Taurus in the first 4 chests in here, now every room with enemies that I enter has Taurus activate instantly. Why?
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>>166758895
You have the max speed.
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>>166758895

taurus activates at max speed iirc, so you're probably really really fast.
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>>166757989
I see you come from the future, Anon. How goes it? Flying cars yet?
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THE FIRES HE SHOOTS OUT DON'T COUNT AS TEARS?!
AND I GOT NO SOUL HEART OR REGULAR HEART DROPS THE ENTIRE FLOOR

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
SO CLOSE TO CLEARING THE POST IT
FUCK YOU EGGMUND
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Can we all agree that either Isaac, Samson, or Azazel are the best characters in the game?
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>>166759689

mega satan is literally the final boss on par with delirium, why would you expect it to be easy?
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>>166760148
>Samson
Replace that with Eve and sure.
>>
>>166760148

>samson
>isaac
>good

azazel clears mobs like they're shit but he can't hold his own against end bosses to save his life

lilith is awkward but VERY easy to break if you find something as simple as brimstone since brimstone snapping from classic isaac works with the incubus familiars, so you end up with double perma laser and everything dies.

the lost now that he has holy mantle is incredibly strong because he just takes everything and becomes an absurd glass cannon, though he has trouble with hush and delirium due to their massive defensive capabilities coupled with bullet curtains.

judas is my personal favourite character because he has a very strong early game that is tied to a droppable item.
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spent pretty much all day trying to beat challenge mode
i failed
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Debating if I wanna pick up Binding of Isaac Rebirth (I only have the original, fucking loved it) or pick up Enter the Gungeon. I don't really have time for both and would rather stick with one, suggestions?
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>>166761262

rebirth makes classic isaac look like shit, however it's noticeably easier and the music is objectively worse.

never played gungeon
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>>166761262
base rebirth is a pretty good game mechanically, but it ruins the art and the music
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>>166761262
Grab Rebirth, then grab Antibirth as well. Enjoy the best Isaac has to offer.
(Ignore Afterbirth and Afterbirth+)
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>>166761262
Rebirth is amazing, Gungeon is great.
Just play rebirth by itself or with the fanmade expansion, the DLCs ruin it.
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>>166762328

antibirth is not perfect and please don't imply it is. it's definitely impressive as fuck but it misses the art and plot direction of the game almost as much as the rebirth music did.
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>>166762716
The art seems fine, and the "plot" has always been bare bones at best, with delirium being another shit show.

The music's not BOI-tier but it's sure as shit better than rebirth.
>>
>>166762716
Antibirth's soundtrack is fucking gorgeous, frick off.
>>
>>166761262
Rebirth and Gungeon are both good. Rebirth isn't on sale right now and Gungeon is so there is that.
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>>166762926

I said rebirth's music was shit, not afterbirth's.
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>Mines
>Shop is literally just this, not even a slime to sell stuff
Why are shops in Gungeon so fucking ass?
>>
>>166763983
Secret rooms are even worse.
>>
>>166763983
i really like the key guy and he is fairly common
>>
>Find Doug behind a Silver Key door
>Forgot that all NPCs are locked behind a Gold Key too, so I went and bought a Key from the Shop and lost my Pig Ring
>Died to Mine flayer
Fuck my life.
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>>166764547
>find 2 more keys on the first floor
>buy the shelleton key from him
the best feeling in the world
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>>166760817
>Samson
>You trade HP for damage

>Isaac
>Gets to D6 whatever item you don't like / useless actives

Both are amazing
>>
Beat challenge mode lads. Wasn't even hard that time.
>high stress on the Dragun fight
wew
>>
Does anyone know where the save/quit continue file is for Gungeon? I wanna see if I can fuck with it.
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>>166696005
Do you not?
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>>166768853
I don't. But I know about the one for FTL
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>>166770586
Cool, who cares.

>>166768853
In the AppData folder.
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>>166760148
I like Cain for the better than average stats and paperclip.
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>>166762328
>ignore afterbirth and afterbirth+
Reminder that you can have them uninstalled while you play antibirth.
>>
>>166772843
That doesn't mean that they're worth your money, or even good.
>>
>>166773161
Do you even have any criticisms that you haven't read here?
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>>166773751
Tell me, why do you insist on defending those expansions at all cost? Where do you think it gets you? I'm genuinely curious.
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>>166774036
I just think that when it comes the expansions, the negativity about it is overblown.
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>>166774287
AB+ deserves all the negativity it gets, every single drop

AB is pretty bad too but not awful
>>
>>166774543
AB is mostly good, AB+ has 1 or 2 small bad parts left but is ok.
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>>166774637
I'm still baffled the half soul heart thing exists.

Like yea sure it's (probably) never going to affect a run much but just that it exists and edmund hated people who reset enough just to make the game permanently marginally worse for them is a clear example of what he thinks of people who play the game.
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>>166774780
>I'm still baffled the half soul heart thing exists.
First of all they're rare, second they added blended hearts as well and I don't see you talking about those, and third you mostly sound like this anon's post

>>166738692
>"m-m-muh ez pz game is no longer ez pz??"
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>>166774637
That's because they were patched.
Both of these expansions at launch were god-awful.
Time gated content, unavoidable damage, reddit ARGs and general bad design. Most of these things were/will be patched, but the memory of them will still remain. And the fact that it happened again means that nicalis simply doesn't give a shit about their game.

>>166774780
It's even funnier when the game developer responds with "I beat it by holding R" when told that their challenge is arbitrarily difficult and not fun (which it is).
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>>166774952
>First of all they're rare
>Like yea sure it's (probably) never going to affect a run much but just that it exists and edmund hated people who reset enough just to make the game permanently marginally worse for them is a clear example of what he thinks of people who play the game.

>second they added blended hearts as well and I don't see you talking about those
Because those aren't an objective downgrade to something that exists in the game?

>"m-m-muh ez pz game is no longer ez pz??"
Yea man shitposting instead of giving an argument will really do you well.
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>>166774952
>half soul hearts
>increase in difficulty
yeah, suuuuuure
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>>166774982
>That's because they were patched.
And that's all that matters.
>but the memory of them will still remain
>I-it's so painful to me even though they quickly fixed shit
You sound like supremely butthurt assmad autist. It's like an American hating the UK today for the fucking revolutionary war.

>nicalis simply doesn't give a shit about their game.
If this were the case they never would have patched anything at all.
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>>166775284
>And that's all that matters.
Not when they keep on fucking up.

If AB was a fuck up and then they fixed it, and didn't fuck up AB+ then you could argue that, but releasing dog shit, polishing the shit, and then releasing radioactive dog shit doesn't deserve praise.
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>>166775415
Not an argument.
>>
when did the steak boy cock sucker's show up, or were they too afraid to speak up about how much they loved AB+ during release week
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>>166775162
>objective downgrade
You're right! They should have added quad soul hearts that give you four on pickup xDDD
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>>166775538
It's almost as if they actually played the game instead of needing to get gud and crying about it
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>>166775538
>m-m-muh ez pz game is no longer ez pz??
>>
>>166775538
>m-muh safe spaces
>people are disagreeing with me reeeeeeeeeee

>or were they too afraid to speak up about how much they loved AB+ during release week
This may surprise you but AB+ isn't the same game today as it was on release. Opinions change.
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>>166775538
Kill yourself.
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>>166775795
A polished turd is still a turd
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>>166775538
Different guy here, I'm only joining in the actual arguing when one of you brings up something that's an actual fucking problem with AB+ (e.g. the challenges all being relatively easy besides Ultra Hard which is 100% horseshit)
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>>166775538
>(you)
>>
>>166775908
I'll be the first to admit it was shit on release, but it's mostly fine now. If they fix the Delirium teleporting I might even go as far as to say that it's good.
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>when your tears are so big you can't see where Ultra Greedier's shockwaves are going
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>>166776660
>when your tears are so big you can't realize how shit your arguments about afterbirth+ being bad are
>>
>When you're so shit that you can't create a viable argument for why afterbirth+ is good and resort to deflecting
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>>166776876
What the fuck are you talking about? Are you having an autistic meltdown? I'm not the same guy you've been arguing with you fucking idiot.
>he doesn't have new IP count enabled
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>>166776980
>>166777102
Nice samefag.
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>>166777224
Nice IQ
>inb4 shopped
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This is retarded, why can't we talk about actually good DLC like Supply Drop and Amplified.
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new?
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>>166778019
Done.
>>166778338
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