/agdg/ - Amateur Game Development General

way to fuck it up op

Would you play a Civilization game without any of the gameplay?

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>>166516740
I played Civ 5 didn't I?

>>166516740
>play
>game
>without gameplay
Per definition impossible.

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>>166516816

Do building/tycoon games need objectives and failstates?

How do I casually encourage people without it becoming uncomfy in failure?

So I know a few games have done it but what do you think of basing your characters off action movie leads?

I have this concept of a top down shooter in the works but I wonder if I had characters that are basically NotRambo or NotArnie would the game get compared to BroForce or Expendabros? Or even worse would people see it as a ripoff from these games?

>>166516954
If the player is in debt for x amount of turns he loses.

reminder that yanderedev has no fucking clue how to make gaem
http://pastebin.com/cu9gDj5Z

>>166516954
yes, typically the fail is going bankrupt or getting bought out by the competition

victory is more difficult to define, depends on the theme really

>>166517028
Do people say BroForce is a rip off of Contra or Metal Gear Solid?

Unless you're literally making a 2d co-op action platformer, no one will care.

>>166516954
The failstate is already given by going bankrupt. If you can't go bankrupt in a tycoon game, call it a sandbox mode and implement the bankruptcy.
Objective in sandbox mode is whatever the fuck the player wants. In scenario mode, give some slightly creative objectives, meaning other than "get x money by y date". Go for "have 99% population above the poverty line" or similar.

>>166517028
Top down shooters with !Rambo and !Arnie have existed decades before BroForce. Some of them even ditched the !.

Daily reminder that if there isn't both a winstate and losestate it's not a game, it's a toy
"game overs" are not a losestate unless you actually lose all progress with it. If you can continue right where you left of, there's no point of having lives at all

>>166517116
Does the code work?

https://hastebin.com/xuvamajigi.pas

i always see a bunch of people who make 8directional movement a giant wall of ifs and elses involving all possible combinations for directions but this little thing works out just fine for me

is there anything wrong with it that i'm not seeing?

>>166517657
yes, remove the if else completely, no input will still give 0 speed

>>166517805
i already checked it without the if else and it drifts away because the direction is set to 0 but the speed still exists

>>166517657
That's the basics. Good movement code however will try to keep the player from getting stuck on edges in collision detection. Being blocked by a single pixel is frustrating. If you have no collision in your game, this will suffice. Although you should really account for speed /= root(2) when pressing both axis at once so you don't move faster by going diagonally.

Anyone want to check out my autistic attempts at trying to modify autoexplore behaviour?

https://youtu.be/Ftq9IVCXQ18

It appears some of them actually provide reliable results, but I only checked a few times, and it might just be specific to the type and size of map/los/etc I'm using.

I plan to actually do statistical tests a little later, and just do away with all GUI/rendering - but only when I have all the properties I think are worth testing.

>>166517657
It's fine, but you might want to do a little verification (do you restrict movement to certain ranges, do you precheck tiles if you use grid based maps, etc)

Using direction enums just makes things simpler in the long term.

>>166516954
i think states in tycoon games are fluid in that they're not real. if you mismanage your economy and your thing is garbage, you're in the failstate. that doesn't mean that you have to force the player to end the game. instead, make it fun to watch the burning pile of garbage and offer tools to put out the fire.

who /neet/ here?

>tfw staking my future on making money from a game in the next couple years

>>166517974
>Although you should really account for speed /= root(2) when pressing both axis at once so you don't move faster by going diagonally.
He did.

>>166517884
oh you're using a direction vector, right

why are you not using a component vector? just add the two inputs, normalize and multiply it by the speed

>>166518050
Actually, now that I think about it, I think I'm using the same random seed on both explorers.

What are the chances that could influence my results?

>>166518096
Shit, yeah. It's late.

>>166516954
You need a failstate.

I've been playing a lot of Software Inc, Game Dev Tycoon and OpenTTD recently. When the game is too easy it really becomes unfun but the main draw for playing those games a long time is the freedom to sandbox your own challenges.

For example I've been trying to do an "Everquest" playthrough of Game Dev Tycoon where I launch a Fantasy MMO at year 19 (1999) and keep it running until year 32 (the games end date).

Its really hard because the game is kind of designed like shit and the MMO server cost vs profits are bullshit. If you have 20 million people playing your MMO and you release an expansion you get the money for a couple of months but when they stop paying money you still have to pay the server costs as if 20 million people were still actively playing your game. Essentially MMO's are designed to be terminal after a certain point even though that doesn't really reflect reality very well. Even if you release expansion packs constantly the drain from the servers is fucking insane and it will bankrupt you almost instantly once your subscriber count gets mythically high.

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>>166518082
>staking your future on indiedev
RIP

>>166518237
>Playing Game Dev Tycoon instead of the original Game Dev Story which isn't a shit game

How can you do this to /ourguy/?

Say I have a hundred sprites of moving mobs to render. To make it so I draw them in order of their x-axis position or whatever, would I just have pointers to them in a self-sorting list where the beginning of each frame sorts them first, and then draws them in order?

>>166518082
friendly reminder that the absolute best way to make money from indiedev is mobile games

"make bank after getting your game on steam" doesn't work anymore

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>>166518082
Same. Got some savings, but the outlook is most dire.

>>166518431
>mobile
>best way

Here's the problem with your assertion: You presume mobile isn't crowded to hell and back five times harder than Steam is.

>>166518431
Friendly reminder that you're retarded.

You have a bigger chance of success on Steam, than mobile.

There are devs that made versions for both, and ALWAYS the mobile one does shit compared to the Steam version.

>>166518515
>>166518540
you're forgetting that mobile games take 5% of the effort of a pc game

>>166518431
To make money from mobile you either have to make an apealing puzzle game twice a year to profit off the long tail, or pump hundreds of thousands into advertising.

>>166518417
Why do you need to draw them in order?

>>166518590
>putting in no effort into a mobile game

"How to fail at making any money at all or leaving it entirely up to the whims of fate in two easy steps."

>>166518590
Since we're making shit up, you're also going to make 1% of the money on mobile as opposed to steam.

So 1% of the money for 5% of the effort doesn't seem worth it.

>>166518417
If you are working in an engine with built-in z-layering, you can update z on movement modified by x.

>>166518657
>5% effort of a pc game
>no effort
pick one

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>>166518635

>>166518401
I didn't even know that game existed because mobile games are heresy.

>>166518718
>5% effort for perhaps no profit at all
>100% effort for perhaps 5-12x the profit your mobile app might make

pick one

>>166518738
That's y-sorting though. If you move an object, do z = y, so objects lower on the screen are drawn later.

>tfw you make a comfortable living off the passive income of a couple shitty mobile games you made a couple years ago in the span of a few months

>>166518782
Nigger, you're playing a clone of that mobile game on your PC.

>>166518871
I hope you're doing something useful with all that good luck, anon.

>>166518738
This is what the depth buffer is for.

If you really really need to sort them (for example for alpha blending and other effects like that) then it depends how dynamic the objects are. If most of the objects move every frame, it might be fine to resort the entire thing. If not many of them move every frame, you should take the ones that moved out and insert them back in with insertion sort. Profile if you're in doubt.

>>166518417
if you have an engine that gives you access to the depth buffer, just use that

otherwise sorting works just fine

>>166518814
re-read what you just posted and tell me how the mobile game option isn't better

>Trying to learn how to draw
>No time for gamedev because my free time after work is spent drawing now
Eventually it pays off, right?? You can't make games without art!

>>166519040
>You can't make games without art!
Watch me!

>>166519040
But you have time to blog about it on 4chan.

>>166518908
Yes.

I'm talking about using a phone for games instead of using my PC for games. The PC is an objectively better environment for playing games. I'm not going to sit there and hold a phone tapping a fucking screen to play games.

>want to make horror game
>can't come up with any good ideas

help?

>>166519040
>trying to 1ma without an artistic background
you should probably just give up now

>>166519040
>tfw currently making a menu only game

Art is a crutch desu

>>166519143
fuck off googum

>>166518814
Should have pulled some bigger numbers out of your ass. This is mobile, hands down.

>>166519010
Sure.
>Spend 4 months, launch crapware, make no profit - people downrate your crapgame.
>Spend another 4 months, launch another, still make no profit.
>Spend another [...]

Repeat until lucky.

PC:
>Spend a year or two on a game, launch, make profit -- whether it's enough to make back your time and effort is questionable. Gain fanbase.
>Spend another year or two on a game, launch, maybe make more profit. Your fanbase enlarges again.

>>166519106
You can emulate android on your PC really easily, and then play the game exactly the same way you're playing the clone.

>>166519126
You picked the best possible genre of games, you don't need any good ideas to make a horror game.

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>>166519126
slender but good

>>166517360
The problem with that code is not whether or not it works, the problem with that code is how easy it is to break.

In my experience in game development the problem that most often arises is code that is poorly maintainable. Such as
>changing one aspect will cause this aspect to break
>changing one aspect will force you to rewrite this system
>making a simple typo which will cause a bug without being noticed by the compiler

The code yandere dev shows is EXTREMELY difficult to maintain in that respect. For example he uses raw strings every, raw strings do not error when you type them incorrectly. This is why you use enums or preprocessor defines instead to hold such states since they will properly error if typed incorrectly.

Sure you can make a small game while completely ignoring maintainability, but adding features continually and being forced to spend the vast majority of your time squashing bugs to an expanding game is the risk you take.

>>166519126
Loud noises
No lights
Ugly faces
Send to faggots on YT
Cash

>>166518827
My bad, and I do plan to do that, but the list and sort by position every frame thing still stands

>>166518971
>>166518962
>>166518708
I'm using only C++ and SFML, and as far as I know, I need to implement openGL for depth buffer, which I don't know much about unfortunately.

>>166519513
Then read the rest of my post that you replied to.

Honestly it doesn't even really matter, it's not going to be noticeable for performance unless you have a lot of enemies. In that case you'd need spatial partitioning which could be used to accelerate the sorting as well.

>>166519241
>Spend another year or two on a game, launch, maybe make more profit. Your fanbase enlarges again.
just like when hopoo made millions off RoR and his next game barely made a blip

it's luck just like mobiledev

Added customizable controls.

Deleted the controls file? No problem, the game will generate a default one when you next start it.

>>166519818
Well done. You have reached a new level:

Bare minimum.

>>166519760
>DEADBOLT
>35k sales before humble

He literally made over 200.000 dollars on that game, how is that barely a blip?

>>166519089
>>166519098
>>166519127
>>166519143
mean.

>>166519760
RoR was pretty quality and happened to be lucky.
Also, 50k is hardly 'barely made a blip'.

It's not luck. On mobile you might not ever get noticed. On Steam you are likely to at least find some people. Very rare is the game I find on Steam that has less than 500 lifetime owners - but I am certain there are mobile apps out there that have even less impressions than those games have owners.

And that's really the big gamechanger in the end: Visibility. Steam isn't nearly as crowded as nearly any appstore on the web catering to mobile. You put something out on a mobile store, it's going to get buried like nobody's business unless you have the perfect name, perfect logo and perfect treatment these days.

>>166519868
Where is your game?

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what the fuck is this why isn't this maya waht the fuck who what who designed this what the fuck im going back to maya holy shit

>>166520052
Canceled, because I could not make the gameplay fun enough.

Still had customisable controls and file regeneration though.

>>166520035
60% of mobile apps have 0 downloads on iOS.

>>166518096
>He did.
I did?

>>166520174
If that figure's accurate, that's practically a death sentence by comparison to Steam.

>>166520035
People give away steam keys for marketing purposes
And 500 owners is shit anyway, even if they all bought at full price

>>166519868
>>166519040
no bully

>>166519662
Alright thanks. I'm just worried about the overhead of these things happening every frame as my project gets larger

>>166520221
Because you used direction and speed.

>>166520174
>0 downloads
>not even their parents gave them a pity download
>not smart enough to fake interest by proxy
I doubt that figure's accuracy.

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>>166518050
I might as well dump this here, too.

I'm not a good programmer and I've never really looked down my nose at anyone's code, as long as it works, but man, there was something incredibly gratifying about looking at Yanderedev's code. It almost inhumanly bad.

We could all make it, bros.

>>166520339
I look down on people who use webshit and dynashit languages all the time, it's therapeutic

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>Spend about 3 days scouring the internet for different ways of making 2d destructible terrain in unity that won't murder low end PCs or take a year to optimize.
>Finally settle on a ghetto way of doing it that will will be semi effective and won't require spending 15 hours programing a custom editor to be even remotely ergonomic for map building.
>Still going to take ages to perfect and have high overhead, plus I'll have to ditch rigidbody2d on my character, because it doesn't interact with tiled colliders properly.

>Google "destructible terrain GM:S" on a whim.
>Three videos pop up showing superior versions of what I have planned and they only take 10 minutes or so to develop.

Well, there goes the last reason I had to make this project in unity.

>>166520304
There are over 2000 apps being added to iOS per day.

Are you sure it's inaccurate?

>>166516954
You don't need a fail-state at all, carrot works as well as a stick here.

Make it so that building more/better unlocks new stuff so you can build even bigger and better!

Achievements also work nicely as casual goals that feel nice for some people to unlock, but aren't required for people who'd rather ignore them.

>>166520228
500 more-or-less minimum owners is better than maybe 10 owners by default. Also there's no way that more than 1k of those are freebie keys that were given out.

>>166520304
I do too - but I expect that apple would filter out your downloads as the owner - and I can see some people lacking the business acumen to get friends and family to try the thing out if they felt they could generate interest.

>>166520482
how many times do people have to tell you that 2d unity is a meme before you believe it?

>>166520484
Absolutely. 0 downloads means they couldn't get a single person to fake download it. No way.

>>166520565
My project's doing just fine in 2D Unity?

>>166520632
I could see someone being dumb enough to just expect that launching their app on the store is all they need to do to make money.

>>166520565
Unity is perfectly fine for 2D, you're the one memeing here.

I'd prove you wrong by making a game but I can't make 2D art.

>>166520632
You're thinking these apps are published by 1MA devs trying to make games.

They're not, the majority of them are Chinese companies creating copies of similar apps and flooding the market.

Steam doesn't have this problem yet.

>>166520135
here's a (you), dont spend it all in one place

>>166520742
Because I am

>>166520729
>Steam doesn't have this problem yet.

May this continue to be the case for the next five to ten years.

>>166520742
I want to make a 3d game without developing suicidal tendencies

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>>166520336
here you go buddy, yw

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>>166520717
Here's a sprite, now make 2D game in Unity

>>166520742
I am though

>>166520849
the values can extend past the range indefinitely.

>>166520485
Zeus did this excellently. Temples were a real achievement for your city and they always gave great boons. Same goes for monuments, special aesthetic buildings you get for free when your city's the best at a cultural contest or you avert invasions.

>>166520565
>>166520676
2D unity is fine if you just want to make a basic sidescroller or topdown game, but if you want to step outside of that, the number of hoops you have to jump through graduates to "Just kill me now" tier almost instantly.

>>166520854
Shit sprite.

tfw don't know how to loading screen
tfw just fade to black, call load, and make fading in the next command it will read after the load's finished

>>166516740
I assume you mean like one without any rival nations? So you just try to build cities as efficiently as possible?

If you could make citizen management and/or city planning more detailed or interesting, then yeah I think that could work.

>>166521014
My point and click adventure game didn't take much effort to get going.

>>166520926
>if val < 62: c = autism[val]

Whoa that was hard.

>>166521056
that's basically how I'm doing it
the smarter thing would be to make load() async somehow but I have other things to worry about

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>>166520926
i don't know what your code does, i just saw a huge ridiculous switch statement
here's the fix, let me know if you need anything else

>>166520926
That's not the case in >>166520336.

>>166521060
I meant more of a game where you have a nation, and all you're doing is making decisions on what to research in the tree.

The game is you just watching the nation grow automatically, depending on your choices.

So literally no gameplay.

Explain jump logic to me agdg. You can hold down jump up to a point for a larger jump, but once you hit that point or you release the button you start to fall, and can't jump again until you land on something.

>>166521069
>point and click
>game

>>166521287
You would've had a rough time in the 90s, anon.

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Fresh progress. You can now equip items you find and craft. You can also freely drop items in the world.

Is obsidian a cool endgame crafting material? Find it in some volcano with magma monsters maybe?
What are other cool crafting materials?

>>166521264
You can only jump if you're touching the ground, that's easy.
Variable height jumping is a bit trickier but typically it's just implemented by weakening the character's acceleration due to gravity while the jump button is held and they are moving upward.

>>166521467
The realistic human silhouette is somewhat jarring against the nonrealistic rest of the game

>>166521254
Well, the gameplay would be picking the tech then, eh?

It sounds more like a simulation than a game, since you're more just watching something that you don't directly control. Some people might be interested in it somewhat, but without much agency it'll get boring quick.

>>166521287
Are you 10?

>>166521264
>>166521492
Acceleration or "gravity" can be implemented using a clock. Start the timer as soon as you jump, and your vertical velocity is equal to (positive) jump speed - clock in seconds

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>>166521718
This is completely unnecessary.

>>166521467
elysian bronze/silver/gold

>>166521718
Don't forget to use the runge kutta method for higher accuracy!

>>166520238

but, shouldn't the Normals be the one that is perpendicular to the polygon?

>>166521243
the item is already preset to be blank (default value) outside of the switch.

>>166521970
sorry, I meant tangential to, which is why it's called the tangent. derp

>>166522101

So... what direction should it point in compared to the normal?

if it's always tangential to the normal, shouldn't that be something 3D engines should be able to figure out for themselves?

How do I make games in C# without Unity (I have issues trying to open the unity launcher, it keeps telling me to verify my account but my account is already verified). I also kind of hate the workflow in Unity.

I want something similar to just WPF or Windows forms but with a game window, I don't need advanced shaders, collision detection, physics or anything like that. I'm essentially making a 2D menu game.

>>166521589
Yeah, I'm going to replace it soon. Just grabbed something online as a quick placeholder.
>>166521812
Good ideas. I have bronze/silver/gold atm, but making a higher tier could work.

>>166521069
Point and click games are as basic as side scrollers to get going, I'm more talking about:

>I want to put a 3d background in my sidescroller
"Enjoy remaking your character controller"

>I want to have curved slopes in my sidescroller
"Enjoy remaking your character controller"

>I want to have destructible terrain in my sidescroller
"Enjoy having to use a procedural 3d mesh now, make your own map editor and either switch to 3d colliders in a "2d" game or generate a 2d collider over your 3d one.

>>166522251
>>166520742

I want to make a game with real time movement and turn based battles (kinda like m&b warband) what engine do you recommend? or does any work really?

>>166522429
If you have to ask this kind of question then Unity

>>166522251
Monogame is literally the thing you're describing.

>>166522245
There are infinitely many vectors orthogonal to the normal. The tangent and bitangent are chosen to correspond to the UV mapping. You're right that you can recover any of these vectors from the other two, but if you have all three in memory, it saves millions of cross products a frame.

What are some gameplay elements that make first person hack n slash more fun?

>>166522635
freeze frames

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>>166522429
>real time movement and turn based battles (kinda like m&b warband)

>>166522635
Kicking.

>>166522635
None, because first person hack and slash is never fun.

>>166522558
usually only the tangent is stored, and the bitangent is generated because it's easy to do so

cross products are pretty fast

>>166522635
quick time events

>>166522804
use them sparingly though, and try to surprise the player, they get boring if they're too predictable

I'm the guy that was asking all of the questions and stuff last thread from a beginner standpoint. I have no knowledge of code and I looked up some stuff about using Unity, this seems easy as hell. Doubt it'll take me long to do my demo.

Best once I have the basics done with the assets I can look up specific answers to my questions and it'll be done ASAP. Jesus I can't believe I thought it was hard.

>>166522892
it's easy to dragondrop until you try to do something remotely interesting

>>166522892
this is why we have the phrase "just like make game"

>>166522429
>real time movement and turn based battles (kinda like m&b warband)

Are you sure that was a good example for what you want to do?

>>166522635
>>166522721
seconding kicking

proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnxgQMSsc8c

>>166522892
That's why so many people get into modding, it is all the essentials of coding a game without the mental block of 'how do I learn to code ??????'

>have a million dollar gamedev idea
>can't make it happen because it requires more than just myself
>cant trust other people because I'm an artist looking for a programmer, tell me what kind of game you're making so we can get started ;)
>girl asks me what I'm looking for
>palms are already sweaty
>mom's spaghetti
>its pouring out of my pockets
>accidentally shit myself
FUCKING GAMESTOP

>>166523019

Yeah but like, starting is starting.

>>166521467
Titanium
Thorium
Quartz

>>166523094
Kinda like warband except turn based combat, is that hard to comprehend?

>>166522635
Like a turn based FPS or a top down tactics game?

>>166522429
>turn based battles (kinda like m&b warband)

What did he mean by this?

>>166518082
I'm neet.

Want to make a game I'd love, and also make some money out of it would be nice.
Just need to learn blender so that I there's some hope in the game actually happen.

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>mfw this y = depth talk made me realize how to implement the depth i wanted in my game without actually changing much

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Update on the OTS camera. Hows it looking now guys? Raised it up, made it smooth, zoomed it out, and added a crosshair.

>>166523854
pretty redic for gamemaker

>>166523854
Oh shit my nigga are you making legends 3? Let me in on this shit.

>>166523854
Sick walk cycle, nice

is using and/or instead of &&/|| a GML only thing or can i get away with it in other languages

and/or looks prettier but i don't want to catch a bad habit for when i move to shit like LUA or C++

>>166523854
now this is feminism

>>166523854
Looks pretty usable for tank controls. Though, you really want to make your character's feet just kinda shuffle flat on the ground with zero knee movement she turns. The current animation is pretty ridiculous looking.

>>166524015
It's language specific but C++ actually supports this. Dunno about Lua though.

>>166524015
lua only supports and/or actually
although desu this is a minor point in the grand scheme of things, there will be bigger stuff that you can't avoid that will trip you up, no matter what language you pick

>>166524015
>>166524160
I just looked it up and Lua requires you to write out "and" and "or"

>>166523917
>>166524009
>>166524070
Thank you!
>>166523998
Its the might no 9 of megaman legends 3 (^,:
>>166524081
Oh I've got it set up so mouse and tank controls both work, just easier to test with mouse. Most of the animations are placeholders, I've been struggling to come up with a good turn animation- I'll try your suggestion, thank you!

>>166523854
It looks much much much better, good work. Now get them animations fixed, anon!

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Fresh OC, straight from the diplomadev and only slightly late to the discussion.

>>166524294
>>166524275
nice, i really dislike using &&/||
not that there's anything wrong with it, it just looks shitty

>>166524015
>but i don't want to catch a bad habit for when i move to shit like LUA or C++
Normally languages only support one or the other (unless you do some weird shit like abusing #define). It really doesn't matter. When you switch to a language that uses only one of them you use that one. If it supports both, then use whichever you prefer.

>>166524335
there is absolutely nothing about | that indicates "or", where at least & does mean and, so I have to look up the or symbol every time, because there is nothing mnemonic about it to make it stick

having to write it twice to distinguish it from bitwise shit nobody cares about is even more confusing

one day we will remember languages that did this as archaic relics of the past

>>166524536
good thing i'm not the only one who thinks that way then

>>166524323
Then it's better than nothing

>>166524536
>there is absolutely nothing about | that indicates "or
There is if you've done formal logic before.

>>166524652
>>166524757
no, it's still arbitrary as fuck

>>166524889
when god created the universe, he decreed that & shall mean and

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>>166523459

>>166525045
if you genuinely think you're being clever right now you need to seriously consider kys

Gamedev has completely ruined my lifelong favorite hobby: playing games.

>>166525203
how?

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>>166521589
This is hopefully an improvement?

>>166523261
Awesome, thanks!

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If you can clear a line on this you need to just stop making your game.

>>166525203
Eh you'll find most adults have come to not really like games as much, either.

Then again there's a massive lack of adult games (not defining adult as more violence/sex)

>>166524889
>no, it's still arbitrary as fuck
Only in the same way that every word in every language is arbitrary.

>>166518082
Not by choice, I got fired.

>>166525314
SAFE

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>>166525314
wow

>>166525314
Only three of those hit me and no lines.

>>166525359
they are not. you can't just make up arbitrary words or arbitrary definitions

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>>166525314

>>166525086
If all you do is programming, the game will never happen.

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>>166525314

>>166525314
someone actually made this image

>>166525314
what the fuck game is acceptable to you if these are your nodev options

fucking everything is on here

>>166525649
>wangolfing this hard

>>166525665
what is your game?


>>166525770
I think it only counts if you can clear a line. Like synergy of shittiness or something?

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>>166525314
Here, have a (you)

>>166525665
>not sure if tumblrr friendly
tip, it is tumblr friendly if you dont say fag or niger

>>166521467
Looking good. I like the furnace.

Possible elements: Copper, Tin, Iron, Silver, Gold, Platinum, Titanium, Silicon, Palladium, Uranium

Raw Materials: Sand, Coal, Obsidian, Quartz, Gravel

>>166525903
niger thornberry?

>all these randomly deleted posts
Wow, janny's going on a rampage.

>>166525267
>play factorio demo
>love it, so immediately quit and gamedev

>>166525903
Oh, then it's definitely tumblr friendly because I'm not a flaming /pol/ or /b/-tard.

>>166525314
>source is in line with Unity Dev, For Sale, and Use a Tripcode

how are you supposed to get a bingo like that

>>166525948
Good suggestions, thanks! I didn't think about sand. Melting it down into glass could make for some cool crafting.

>>166521467
>>166521589
I thought this was hilarious.

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>>166526026
what does that mean?

Python is trash, why do people use it?

>>166526131
minimalist tumblr friendly art game (for sale, never worn)
its me

>>166526159
>no tungsten
Shit list.

>>166526257
Your waifu is trash, why do people even care about her

>>166525283

FOV too wide

>>166525283
Much better.

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Frogfaller DEMO ~ https://transfer.sh/M1tPM/frogfaller.zip

Any feedback is welcome!

>>166526426
>Downwell with Frogs

You better already be marketing to the furry crowd because if you aren't you're just burning potential money.

>>166526426

Too busy

>>166526426
It's really painful how much you missed the point of downwell.

>>166525314
>For sale
What the fuck does that even mean? The game being for sale on $DISTRIBUTION_MEDIUM? """"Selling"""" the idea to a company? Be specific.

>>166526426
>Vine doesn't know how to make money anymore

>>166526613
I think they mean the broad definition. As in you're going to attempt to make a profit somehow.

>>166526232
ARE YOU ILLITERATE

>>166526426
Visibility isn't great.

If I want to make art for video games should I learn physical mediums first or jump right to using a tablet

>>166526728
Physical, so you can become a talented furry artist on FA and make money whoring yourself out for the rest of your days instead of having to make a shit game that fails and resorting to foot fetish videos to support your wife and her son.

>>166526316
What do you craft with tungsten?

>>166526373
It's only at 60 degrees right now. I was debating whether I should use a perspective or orthographic view. Maybe orthographic would be better.

>>166526728
buying a tablet instantly makes your drawing ability better

>>166526426
> love.dll
hit me up with that .love file so i can linux it broski

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left or right

>>166526426
When are you going to make an original game?

>>166526728
if you don't have existing art skills, might as well start digital.

>>166527015
need context

>>166526850
just saying drawing furry art sucks balls because you will never become a part of the nepotist mess that allows you to make the big bucks for drawing complete trash
don't do it kid, stick to your vidya

>>166527015
Left

>>166526943
here you go https://transfer.sh/8U3mg/frogfaller.love

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>>166524330
You've inspired me.

>>166526874
Lightbulbs.
But for real Tungsten's melting point is fucking insanely high around 3,400°C. Fire-protected stuff, A fucking boat for lava, etc.

>>166527015
Left for sure. Never have I looked at one of your progress posts and though "these trails are too busy/indistinct/whatever".

>>166526426
notice me vinepai i löve you

>>166527015
left

>>166527015
this is a meme right? i've never seen anybody explain the rules but somehow everybody seems to know what's going on.

>>166526874
light bulb, cathode-ray tube, and vacuum tube filaments, heating elements, and rocket engine nozzles

oddly specific shit you likely won't have in your game

hey look at these stars

⭐⭐⭐⭐
⭐⭐⭐⭐
⭐⭐⭐⭐

haha

you should be working on your game (me too)

>>166527116
Actually, I'm already popufur because people love my suit. I could easily transition into art.

>>166527028
Damn. I tried physical and I tried my tablet, and physical is so much easier. It's like trying to draw with my left hand doing digital.

>>166527220
>>166527348

Tungsten can be used in a steel alloy to make very strong metal.

>>166527306
Get your eyes and autism checked.

>>166527306
It's some kind of turn-based combination of snake and armagetron, and the dev delights in people being confused by it, as indicated by the fact that he can't be bothered to offer even a cursory explanation of how it works (although I think it's probably simpler than it appears).

>>166527015
The problem isn't the squiggliness of the lines, it's the fact that UI isn't clear about what's going to happen before you do it

Like from watching gifs I'm pretty sure
.v
><
.^

is an attack command but if I didn't see the gifs I would have no way of knowing that

>>166526571
That will happen when you don't actually play the games and instead just try to emulate success.

>>166527420
True. It just depends on how many alloys anon wants in his/her game.

>>166527220
>>166527420
>>166527348
Ah ok, interesting. Maybe it can be used in fire resistant armor. I'll add it to the list! Thanks.

>>166525314
>source
This isn't cute. You're not an agdg meme and you need to stop trying to force yourself like this by making gay little meme images and trying to highjack the thread.

Just make a game instead you retarded faggot.

>>166527220
>a boat
>in fucking lava
>what is heat conductivity

>>166527414
Well it's not as if physical media is useless for games. Some games are made completely from scanned traditional media. If you prefer traditional physical stuff, do that instead.

>>166527610
>worrying about heat conductivity before worrying about bouyancy

>>166527567
Source is an agdg meme though. You don't get to choose what is and isn't a meme.

>>166527610
Heat conductivity only counts if you're actually touching the heat part. If you add some water and a second layer of the tungsten you'll be shielded from the direct heat transfer that would normally occur. It's the same reason why you use a double boiler for certain things because you dont want it to burn.

Simple science, senpai.

>>166526728
The actually important concepts are invariant under medium used. The problems that arise will arise in both: your reluctance to edit, your reluctance to put in continual work, repeating mistakes, becoming comfortable and not advancing, etc.

>>166527610
>>166527743
Thanks for the mental image of a Titanic-tier disaster except substantially more excruciatingly painful.

>>166527743
it doesn't take much to be boyant in molten rock

>>166527567
>literally having a meltdown because someone mentioned source

lmao

>>166527740
I prefer making games that don't look like AYIM

>>166524330
I don't even know what it is about. Maybe it is perfect?

>>166527567
>>166527758
Previous bingo shitpost had in lower left
"has source filtered" implying anyone filtering source shitposts was a nodev. Sourcefag thinks he can subliminally propagandize agdg by sheer force, (years of the same shitposting, trying to force memes and obsessing over the same people like danny, rotate, gogem) and really poorly thrown together memes over his obsessions.

>>166525314
These are mostly all mutually exclusive. What a shitty attempt.

>SWIM opens report window out of curiosity
>SWIM sees that the captcha includes "Daniel"
>SWIM laughs (and doesn't submit a report)

>>166527906
>>166528072
[increasingly nervous memes]

>>166518590
making a good game on mobile takes more effort because of its limitations.

or do you actually truly believe people will just buy any ol crap on a medium drowning in free games?

>>166528072
>using SWIM here
>using SWIM ever
Great Game

>>166528127
They did say it was 5% of the effort. So I think it's pretty safe to say that they think just about anything will sell on appstores. Which shows just how little experience they have with selling on appstores.

>>166525770
It's not even about games or game dev it's just a bunch of hyperactive self wanking over meta """memes""" in agdg by a sad faggot who has never made a game and never will.

Epic stop updating Unreal for awhile jesus

>>166518082
Not /neet/ yet, but in a few months I'll be booted out of College dorms with nowhere to go. A friend and I are trying to crank out a game to advertise a Kickstarter for a real game but it might just be a coinflip on whether or not I end up back in buttfuck nowhere Canuckland

man like dan dan cuz

>>166528409
Shut your face and make a game faggot.

>>166527962
>meet another person
>person also browses agdg
>someone mentions source
>both people instantly think of the shitposter

It is a meme. The mere attempt to propadandize agdg is a meme because its some sort of recognizable story, personification, idea, noun etc that unrelated people that both browse agdg recognize.

Simply mass recognition of any kind makes it a meme.

>>166527164
thanks bro, I had fun with this
took me a good few deaths to figure the blue enemies would just hurt you no matter what and at least one more to realise ALL flashing enemies are painful
all the debris and particles are great, art's really nice and I didn't have a real visibility problem once I worked out what enemies did
shop could be more obvious about what you can / can't afford
I also got a bluescreen timer error when switching between menu items but i couldn't reproduce it so :shrug:
p neat overall

>>166527923
Doesn't have to. The original Doom had a lot of sprites based on clay models and pictures, and I'm sure there are plenty of other games with similar stuff. I bet some games with a 'painted' look have assets that are based off physical paint.

You can draw whatevs on paper and then edit it digitally.

>>166528534
>The mere attempt to propadandize agdg is a meme
Yes, his sad attempt at making himself relevant by spamming his own source shit that he used to post seriously here and then samefag attacking himself for a year is the meme. Him being a lunatic is the meme. Source is not.

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some other progress cleaning up engine code

>updated unity
>all of my shit's broken
FUCK

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>>166528665

FO1/FO2 used physical models for the talking heads

>>166528715
Oh sorry. Yeah I was referring to the insane shitposter not the actual engine.

Carry on.

>>166528665
But if I draw on paper and then scan it, use it as a base for digital, won't I still have to have skill in digital art?

Thoughts on a first person RPG with no hit points?

>>166527220
>tungsten
>>166527610
>>166527743
>>166527829
>>166527881
>>166527886
/agdg/ - Lavaboats and Physics General

>>166523439
60 turns per second

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There! Just re-did the turn animation from scratch. Actually watched a video of in place turning. Hope you like it!

>>166529016
It's not an RPG if there are no hit points.

>>166529098
needs animation blending tbqh

>>166528838
Not necessarily, I mean I guess some, but not the same stuff you'd need for making purely digital stuff from scratch. If you draw and paint everything and then just scan it, color correct and cut it out, there's not much digital skill to that. Using a pen tool, you wouldn't have to learn proper mouse/tablet control for clean cutting, even

>decide to get some art done
>stylus battery dies
>oh well i'll go watch anime instead

>>166528838
Yes. Since you're able to scan, edit, and output the art that would be skill in digital art.

If you watch shit like this

https://youtu.be/XwgI9Coz2bw?list=PLXuhdetOEPfj6S3QC4mdGU8r9Kp8dm67M

You'll see how powerful working in digital art can be. Like being able to have complete freedom layering paint perfectly over eachother without permafucking your artwork is absurdly beneficial.

>>166529098

Yeah, that looks a lot better.

>>166529137
Call me a fucking hispter, but I feel like blender would look out of place and ruin the MM:L aesthetic.

>>166529249
Hmmm...so should I start learning the basics of drawing with a tablet then? If I'm going to be using one to make game assets eventually?

Also /ic/ beginner thread never gave me any feedback on how to improve but their sticky is really useful. 50/50 win.

>>166527028
What's a decent tablet for beginners anyways?

>>166529098
dat sum megaman legends

>>166529438

get the cheapest wacom you can find tbqh

>>166529137
>>166529341
I've implemented smoothing between animations and it looks pretty good for most but I disabled it in favor of MML's instant animation changes.
I'll see if I can enable it for *some* animations and disable it for others.

>>166529438
Microsoft surface

>>166528379
Sorry bucko, we need to add as many nifty VR bells and whistles as quickly as we can before everyone realizes VR is a meme

>>166529376
You would have to ask what wizard magic techniques he is using in photoshop from someone who is competent.

https://youtu.be/Slozltd4QAQ?list=PLXuhdetOEPfj6S3QC4mdGU8r9Kp8dm67M&t=206

Is a good timestamp, you can watch him select layers with Swain and Swains bird form, duplicate them, and then alter the color on a top layer by an offset to get a quick and accurate shading color pallet.

Its fucking insane.

Also I'm sure these guys that work for riot have libraries of sample art that they can just drag into their stuff on an medium opacity layer and just trace/modify them for quick buildings, cloud effects, backgrounds, lighting, etc.

>>166528781
when 3d modeling was done with actual models existing in the 3rd dimension

how's a Huion H420?

it's 29.99 on amazon.

after discovering bSurfaces in blender, I want a tablet

>>166529776
Not this. The pen is the only good thing about this monstrosity.

>>166530227
Thats what I have.

I literally only use it for shitposting but it seems to work fine.

I have an Intuous pro medium, is that a good tablet?

>>166520017
>>166520245
Its not being mean its being realistic.
You want to make your strengths stronger, not spread yourself too thin.
Focus on the programming if you dont have a history of drawing or doing art or else it will take you literally multiple years to even get the art end of the spectrum presentable

>>166530337
The surface has a better response rate than the intuos, the only thing you're missing is angled drawing which is a meme anyway

>>166529098
>fps 60

>>166522635
Try to make it doom-like in the sense that its very fast paced and direct. Just fucking dudes up and solving some puzzles. Id like to see like a modern hexen/heretic type game.

>>166530438
I already know how to program well enough to make a game. I can write well enough to chart out a story, write dialogue and set pieces, and create meaningful interactions between the player and the game. I'm literally just missing the art part. That's all I need.

And I'm not a TERRIBLE artist. Ok, I'm really bad. I tried drawing for the first time two days ago and again last night and even though I was drawing from references it turned out pretty poor. and /beg/ didn't give me any meaningful feedback on how to improve yet But I'm willing to put the work in. I just need to know the route I have to take. /ic/ has me going to books and telling me I should stick with paper and pencil, but I feel like I'll have to relearn once I want to start making assets because it's all digital work.

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Population dynamics
Terrain generation
Economics

Talk to me about any of these. And when I say talk to me, I mean I'm interested and know very little but love it very hard and want to know everything.

>>166519143
Your menu probably looks like shit.

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>>166530615
stupid fraps limits it when I'm recording.
Otherwise it runs at 1200 limited to 90 (^:

>>166530882
Forgot to say, that last webm is with animation blending on. >>166529137
Like I said, I'm torn on it.

>>166530719
Alright, let me help you out since you seem to actually wanting to put work in.
Just remember when making art you have to grind it out and just do it over and over and over until you stop thinking about how youre going to do something and can just focus on what youre going to do.
http://www.posemaniacs.com/randompose
this is a good place to start for learning to draw poses from random angles. The better you get at doing them the more youll understand how to draw frames of animation from any angle or position and not make it look fucking awful.
Also, don't worry about a style. DO NOT try to draw anything adhering to what you believe your "Style" is. When you first start drawing you have no style. Your only style is "shit". Once you learn how to draw things by practicing over and over drawing anything you can think of, you can start to make stylization choices and get your art how you want it. Also, styles tend to naturally develop based on your personal interests/influences and how you learn to draw. Good luck man, try to make the best game you can.
the art is still gonna suck tho

>>166530809
you've posted this before

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ok, how's this? I'll tweak the wobbling equations a bit later.


>>166527473
Maybe communicating is hard because I have never quite gotten to a place where the core loop is good enough to show off in a webm. So all you can see is demonstrations of subsystems.

>>166527282
>>166527254
>>166527157
I'm looking for some way to recreate that effect in shaders or effects. Those I just scribbled out in 10 minutes

>>166527306
>>166527447
It's turn based snake tactics. Click on things to move. Your snakes move several tiles per turn, then attack once. The goal is to eliminate the other team.

Also I've been posting for like 9 months, and people have played the old demo or the game I'm cloning, so they understand the gameplay

>>166531093
>>166530809
Funny enough I wouldn't have looked if not for this, but dang this looks pretty great. Don't just post a webm with no explanation 809, talk about your journey friendbro

how fucked am I for making a fake student version of maya account on adobe's website

>>166531279

3

>>166531272
I gotta keep posting progress NO TIME TO TALK I NEED TO STAY ON THE PROGRESS TRAIN

>>166531279
>maya
>on adobe
???

>>166531401
>shitposts
>in aggddd

>>166531401
autodesk fu kc

>>166530741
>Population dynamics
>Terrain generation
>Economics
For a platformer? sidescroller? FPS? JRPG?
Really depends on the game and what you want the player to experience.

>>166530741

Population is a matter of food
Economics is a matter of food and resources and labor
Food and resources are a matter of terrain and labor

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>>166531026
Don't worry, I've read the /ic/ sticky front to back and one of the main points it was adamant about was that I do NOT have a style because I don't have enough knowledge about art to create one deliberately. The other biggest point was that no matter what kind of art or for what purpose I intend to make, learning the basics will be the best, fastest way to get there, even if it doesn't seem like it at first.
I finally decided to stop mucking about with placeholders and put effort into learning how to draw on Monday, and I've been reading drawabox and doing the warmups it asks me to after work, including today. I'm also reading "Keys to Drawing" I'm on drawing hands as the second exorcise lol . I'll also check out your website. This feels way different than when I was learning to program in college, since there's no single route that seems "correct", I guess it will boil down to "get experience. Draw as much as possible and use these books as guides to grow your understanding and ability". Hopefully I'll make it.
Spoilered pic related is where I'm at right now as a square one; drew these from references found in the /ic/ beg thread.
I have a MS Surface that I use for freelance webdev work and prototyping website designs, but I guess I'll stick to physical work for now to make sure I understand the basics.

>>166531354
No but post your journey or fuck right off, sorry if I wasn't clear

>>166531472
Autodesk have no history of going after people who publish games with models from student maya to my knowledge. They have no way of knowing you even used maya unless you're dumb enough to confess it in a way that can be associated with you

I would assume autodesk care much more about tracking down big companies that are pirating their software since every seat is a few thousand dollars they didn't get

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>>166531758

>Make model in student maya
>Export to blender
>Export to somewhere else

>>166531816
Even without this, an exported fbx has no footprint of what program it was made with

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just found a super cheap elegant solution to a problem that was preventing my game from existing pretty much. its extremely hard to tell what i did unless you've tried to make this kind of game.

i hope none of you fags figure out what it was on demo day.

>>166531758
I work for autodesk. We only go after shitposters and shitty work, no joke.

>>166531912
where are the proofs

>>166532014
It's not going to happen, why would you even ask. But suffice it to say, unless you're doing really horrible work we won't come after you.

>thread on /r/gamedev with a huge discussion going on
>mod comes in making a sticky post saying everything has been discussed and locks the thread
>message is smug as fuck

again i'm reminded why i only post here. seriously fuck forums.

>>166530358
damn. you got nice penmanship. I'd have never known you were posting with a tablet.

>>166532238
>ongoing gamedev thread
>everything has been discussed
how does that even work? What would a negative effect of keeping that thread open even be?

>>166530437
you the one with the tablet, you tell us.

>>166532238
Because people discussing yanderedev is uncomfortable to them. Also, they're concerned people might start getting aggravated enough to start raiding twitch and so on.

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>>166532431

>uncomfortable