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Australia Day Edition

Previous Pantokrator >>166222204

Dominions is a fantasy turn-based war game created by two dudes. One of them is a teacher.

The game combines a simple presentation with an extremely wide array of strategic options, including over 2800 units, 800 spells and 300 magic items. Turns are resolved simultaneously, with players planning battles rather than directly controlling them.

It has simplistic graphics but is easily moddable and extremely deep.

Basically, it's an autist’s wet dream of a war game.

>Steamgroup
Join the steamgroup for multiplayer
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya

>Group chatroom
steam://friends/joinchat/103582791434709795

>Our work-in-progress wiki
http://dom4.wikia.com/wiki/Dominions_4_Wiki

>Our pastebin
http://pastebin.com/uTZnjYwm (embed) (embed) (embed)

>Dom4 Manual
http://jaffa.illwinter.com/dom4/manual_dom4.pdf

>Dom4 Inspector
This is a community resource that has every unit, spell, and item in the game in an accessible database.
http://larzm42.github.io/dom4inspector/

>Play by email guide:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=202096551

>Debug Mod:
For testing battle formations and spells
http://dom4archive.kermodebear.org/www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/debug-mod.html

>Where do I get it?
It is available on Gamersgate and Steam. Desura is kill.

>THE BASICS
>Read the manual
>Read the wiki
>Read the pastebin
>Watch some LPs by Sy, Maerlande, or Nuklearmonkee
>Jump into MP feet first
>Die and join the ranks of brave skeletons

Submit completed games here:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1jHX_ZoJi6zIvDq6ANdp-W1Y89W5_fmShuDyHmAj5qC4/viewform

Results Here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dlrvyEqLFYIaXRc49TheMmfdoP8jEh1m5rZJHJAzDWQ/edit?usp=sharing
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R.I.P Mictlan. All nations are invited to send an emissary to Ur to engage in festivities.
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>>166460240
Did he write anything interesting as he fell?
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>>166460548
He called my waifu a slut and committed to a single turn of scorched earth.
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>>166460548
Yes.
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>>166460589
Shit man, don't diplo in the thread.
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>>166460756
ah shit I forgot I had a tile number in there

anyway gibe steam cause snail mail is garbo when you need to haggle
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>>166460686
rip azatotl may he uncover the mysteries of ink in heaven
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>>166460905
you got the "head priest advises against use of blood of virgins as ink" message too huh?
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>>166460857
Eh, sure. Eldritch Gentleman.
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>>166460607
>>166460686
This could make for a damn good read when it's over.

Is someone keeping track of all this?
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>>166461439
I keep all my turns at least. One dude said he was blogging as well early on.
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>>166461439
Sadly I am not.
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well, since everyone's doing it

Yomi, are you planning on advancing on Tien'chi? We may bump.

>>166461439
Of some things, yes. But i'm really limited to what I can read.

>>166460942
hah, yes.

>>166461538
I should do this.

>>166460240
Is the celebration immediate next month or it's gonna happen at a set date? don't wanna screw up the rp.
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>>166462758
Immediate next month.
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Rolling for EA Lanka.
1-3: The Ospreys get it
4-6: /V/anheim gets it
7-9: Domg gets it
0: Next digit determines
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>>166463273
fug
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>>166463273
Seriously? Did no other team prioritize fucking Lanka? Why?
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>>166464609

Because its a turmoil nation? Because there are way better blood nations?
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>>166464658
Who? Bats and mictlan?
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Ok so I just kinda noticed that I fucked up the game I was in and I really don't see I can recover from that.
How do I learn to avoid stupid situations and is there a game I can join where a kind of beginner can learn something?
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>>166464789

Community Clash is All Ages, no?
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>>166464789

Berytos Xibalba Mictlan LA Ulm to name just a few.

Lanka unique summons aren't even very good. They need a super bless to be competitive, compare them to ozelotls or seir.
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>>166464862
Wow, thanks for talking shit without knowing which nations are banned. We always appreciate your informed opinion, Rejakor.
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>>166464827
Oh right, I didnt realize that.
>>166464862
They do get tons of skeletons to back up their blood stuff though.
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>>166465780
I N N O V A T I O N
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>>166465780

That had better be an example of stupid shit to never do.
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>>166465780
Eh, it will work. Still, why would you need an expander for a hyperexpansion nation is beyond me. And scales are all fucked up too.
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>>166465962
nope. he suggested that as a viable example unironically.
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>>166465780
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>>166465780
This is what 6 months of singleplayer does to you
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>>166465780
Needs to be dormant at least.
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This is summod specific but anything wrong with putting a Midget Masher on a Niefel Jarl in lieu of the usual weapon choices?

It gets Area of Affect 1 using regular (magic) damage in summod on top of the 2x damage against smaller enemies so it seems viable on giants with high reinvig and quickness

pic related is AI testing with ring of regen+messenger boots+shroud+girdle of might and quickness cast; no heroic ability or veterancy
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>>166467448
It takes up a shield, but otherwise, no.
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>>166467448

Why would your Shroud a Jarl? They can self bless, and with a regen bless you really want a higher prot option.

But yeah, that does sound pretty good. The main issue is the lack of shield. That does hurt, although Jarls are probably tough enough to manage.
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Did pythium stale?
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>>166467696
Yes. I sent you an in-game PM about that, considering you're his neighbour.
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>>166467598
Shroud was just placeholder gear essentially to get rid of standard gear enc 1
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>>166467448
1. Midget Masher requires E1 which you can only guarantee from your god.

2. Killing power isn't usally what a jarl needs.

3. Losing a vineshield is a big loss in survivabilty if you want your jarl to SC.

He can probably kill PD without gear, and the masher won't help you versus actual threats.
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>>166468810
>>166467448
Test how it works versus skelespam, that's the only situation I can think of offhand where it might be worthwhile over brand + shield.
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>>166448000
>>RocketPapaya: Jotunheim
>Expert

>>166448246
Whoever wrote that list is for sure memeing you.
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>>166469207
Well, considering Niefel has no native earth and fire access, it's all the same shit (you need non-native paths for them or to trade with others), and jarls can cast quickness, so whichever AoE weapon you'll use it's gonna hit almost exactly the same. And skellies don't need much damage to kill.
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>>166469246
Yeah fuck it maybe I'll join later today
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>>166464862
Reality disagrees with all but one of those.
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>>166469336

The masher will do splash damage to skeletons. A frost brand won't. Fire brand would do better of course, but that's two non-native paths rather than just one.

>>166469696

Ulm at least is readily explainable. New players keep getting it suggested to them. It's really a pretty fucking solid nation.
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>>166469885
I was implying fire brand, of course.

Still, 2h weapons are very niche. Better grab a shield.
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>>166468810
Niefel Jarls have enough survivability from their spell options that the loss of vineshield isn't a huge thing.

>>166469207
it's AoE 1 dies twice every turn more or less where other AoE weapons are 1 enemy dies and their buddies will probably die; it's also AoE 1 dies up to size 4. It deals 40-70 damage per hit on AoE so it's very reliable

I'd say it performs as well as vine shield+brand for 10 gems less; it definitely doesn't do any better and it's a bit reliant on stacking enough survivability on your Jarl with spells that only other significant combatants are a problem but its much better at killing those other significant combatants. At a bit of a guess I'd think this would be preferable if you're gonna be fighting a size 3-4 sacred army; sacred knights would definitely die faster to this than brand without being meaningfully affected by vine-shield.

Also it's only useful on Size 5 and Size 6 SCs, others need not apply
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I feel like Abysia would be a more useful nation if there were ways to spend fire gems before research levels 5 and 6.
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Still have 4 slots left for Autism Wars
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=AutismWars
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussions/1/143388132201642949/
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>>166470830

Well, if Jarls can tank long enough they can start ignoring prot, on account of everything having passed out. With Breath of Winter up and a Rime Hauberk they get enough chill to fatigue longdead, although it's not fast about it. Anything without cold res is fucked in two or three rounds.
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>>166472830
I'm pretty sure chill number is just AoE, not strength.
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>>166470830
>>166472830
after thinking about it it's really more of a cheap army support thug weapon

Gygjas hit the thugs with enlarge (Skittles or Niefel Jarls, doesn't matter if enlarge is in play) and then they tear a hole through the enemy ranks supported by units to tank a few hits for them
then the Jotun Wolves you got instead of dropping gems on vine shields arrive and scare the fuck out of anything that isn't morale perfect for whatever reason

seems like it'd be a solid answer to fog warriors too

but yeah it's probably a bad idea to kit out raider thugs like this
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>>166475047
it's probably X is AoE and every 5 is +1 intensity
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Now that I'm awake AND dead, I wanna say I had fun and greatly await the sequel game. Or any RP game for that matter.

You guys better die real fast.
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Oi i'll be sending the emissary for the feast in the form of a message to everyone. And I strongly encourage the rest of the players to do so. Would be p. fun.

>>166476586
judging by the absolutely retarde amount of thrones, I think this match will end in 20 turns at best
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>>166477071
I just sent a message to Ur. Its nothing special. If he feels like caping it its up to him.
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>>166477390
Well it is a feast after all, it's a meeting of emissaries. Seems like a chance for RPing some alliances and trade deals in. Or a cause for war.
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>>166477662
My guys dont really eat people food as I understand it. Plus we are quite busy at the moment.
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>>166465780
If you want an awake with W9, the water dragon is right there senpai
also
>not taking S3
>not taking L3
>not taking M3
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Are fall bears worth it?
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>>166477929
eh if you have indies you can bullshit an emissary
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>>166479228
My indies are not going to any feasts anytime soon, no sir.
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>>166479131
Yes, them and spring hawks are the only seasonal animals that are worth it
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>>166479228

He's just going for the "Get them all roaring drunk and then massacre them" gambit, you realize?
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How the fuck a normie human nation fights Ozelotls in EA?
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>>166479907
If only.
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>>166479962
diplo
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>>166480321
>Tfw xibalba neighbored a bunch of retards
>they didn't instantly gangbanged batmen
>now the whole word is paying
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>>166479962
>mfw people play human nations
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>>166479962
Magic. Storm to keep them from flying, and on the ground they're just winged pussies
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>>166480390
>tfw tried to kill xibalba
>tfw doing a good job of it
>tfw mictlan backstabbed me to save the bats
>because I didnt want a 6 turn NAP
At least my infinite skeleton works is stopping the retard from finishing me off.
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>>166480797
Suck it elf, us humies are gonna rule the whole world, you'll see in LA.
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>>166481287
t. Jomon
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>>166481004
They're still almost se'ir tier on the ground.
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so uh
i just noticed that grigori isn't in ME
as in, the guy called grigori, with monster number 1
meaning you should be able to wish for grigori and get an actual grigori
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>>166482142
How does that change what I said?
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>>166482839
Well thats neat.
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>>166483689
>>166482839
DISREGARD THAT I SUCK COCKS
BIG MEATY ONES
I HAD AVAILABLE ON IN THE INSPECTOR INSTEAD OF ALL UNITS
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ded
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>>166488338
Δ Go To Title then uninstall.
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Can you fags at least bump the thread sometimes, huh? It's only me and weebposter.
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How important do you guys think Order 3 / Misfortune 3 is on EA Mictlan, because I kinda want to try T3/L3. Do I fuck my self over doing this or could this work if I push my dominion to my provinces?
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>>166491967

Never fucking go Misfortune 3.

Unless the game has events set to rare. But then you're playing a game with a shit admin, so why would you do that?
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>>166492030
How am I supposed to afford my bless then? I understand that as a Blood Nation, Mictlan kinda needs growth 3, Sloth doesnt hurt though so I go 3 there, what about Drain or Magic? I'm new and trying to get my game on
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>>166491282
I was busy doing my shitty dailies in Shadowverse. God I hate that game.
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>>166492589
Just stop playing then.
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>>166492559
>>166492030
And Turmoil 3 works even though it is a Blood Nation, or is that stupid? Gold isn't that much of Problem if I expand right I noticed while testing
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>>166492559

Let's see the pretender? Mictlan can generally at least fit a dual without needing to go worse than Misf2, depending on the chassis you're using.
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>>166492559
Spend less on your bless.

>>166492648
B-but my sunk cost (and time) fallacy.
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Posted wrong image
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Does Lanka's blood hunt bonus in turmoil apply if they're a disciple?
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>>166492758
Here it is. What do you think, also on the bless.
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>no Mount&Blade mod for Dominions which I can play while I wait for turns
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>>166493346
I think you mean no dominions mod for mount and blade.
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>>166493346
Just turn off magic and play human nations.
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>>166493346
>M&B mod
>no magic
>only peasants recruitable, but exp-shape into better troops
I could see it working
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>>166493401
I'd play the shit out of a dominions mod.
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>>166493553
good christ no, have you ever tried to play M&B when someone's tried to shoehorn magic in? It's horrid, worse than With Fire and Sword by a country mile
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>>166493401
>>166493408
>>166493510
Nah I mean
>start off as some rag-tag mercenary group
>travel from province
>do quests/hunt bandits/pillage
>equip your commanders in farious items (suddenly even items that are shit in the grand scheme of dominions, are great for smalls scale combat, oh shit nigger a SWORD OF SHARPNESS)
>eventually known wealthy enough to sparsly employ mage support
With the amount of different units/items/random events and spells this would be fucking amazing.
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>>166493189

That's a pretty good bless for Mictlan, yeah.

You could probably afford to drop the E4 though, is pretty pricey being an off-chassis path. That'd get you enough points to go two scales up and improve your dominion score a notch as well.

You can of course go Full YOLO Tribless Shenanigans, but that relies heavily on being able to manage your dominion spread so you don't get your cancer into all of the stuff you own.

Here's what I'd do.
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>>166494038
That would actually be super cool. Something like starting without a fort/lab/temple. Maybe a new set of god choices so you have a somewhat less free-win awake expander. And a lot of the sites/events where you can get in fights for money/items.
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>>166493346
Maybe Shillwinter wpilde make an actual roguelike
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>>166493553
>Enter battlefield
>Ulm Smith has cast Rain of Stones! 14 blunt damage!
>Ulm Smith has cast Rain of Stones! 17 blunt damage!
>Marveni Barechest 1 was knocked Unconcious
>Marveni Barechest 2 was knocked Unconcious!
>Marveni Barechest 3 was knocked Unconcious
>Marveni Barechest 4 was knocked Unconcious
>Marveni Barechest 5 was knocked Unconcious
>Marveni Barechest 6 was knocked Unconcious
>Sequani Stargazer 1 was knocked Unconcious!
>Marveni Barechest 7 was knocked Unconcious
>Marveni Barechest 8 was knocked Unconcious
>Marveni Barechest 9 was knocked Unconcious
>Marveni Barechest 10 was knocked Unconcious
>Marveni Barechest 11 was knocked Unconcious
>Marveni Barechest 12 was knocked Unconcious

>You have been knocked unconcious

>You are now a captive


Sounds fun, famalam.
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>>166492980
No
If they are the pretender all disciples will be able to.
yeah, order lanka is a thing
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>>166493346
>>166493401
>>166493553
>>166493972
Do it!
Do it now!
With horrid pixel skins!
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You could maybe do a decent elder scrolls dominions mod.
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>>166495060
Yeah I just figured it'd be nice to have some earth later on. Thanks for the help by the way. Also what do you do with your Prophet, do you just prophetise the first commander or do you take your scout for sacrificing? I just thought Luck would be nice to get the heroes, but maybe thats just a tick of mine

I'm also trying out Machaka right now for another game and what do you think about an Awake SC Pretender for Expanding for them
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>>166476586
Anything particularly remarkable in your play that you want memorialized as a site in a sequel game?
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>>166495690
Does that actually make order Lanka viable?
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>>166477071
Arco's a bit busy for feasting.

>judging by the absolutely retarde amount of thrones,
Yeah wasn't sure where to go with that. Less next time? I kind of like lots of thrones personally.
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>>166496982

The Earth is definitely nice to have, but you're paying a lot for it. Personally, I'd suggest propheting your Commander. Mostly because you're gonna be expanding with sacreds and having Divine Blessing straight up is pretty handy. Also I have had my scout prophet Sneak along with my expansion party too many times. YMMV.
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>>166495074
Looking more into the modding options I can't see a way to not start with a fort. You can destroy temples and labs with an event but can only build forts, it looks like. Which is a shame since I definitely saw it as having to start from nothing and build up to eventually being able to put down your fort and become a real nation, kinda like rts campaigns or a game of Civilization.
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>>166497297
as disciple, maybe, you have that recruitable sacred that doesnt care for chaospower
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>>166496783
Once upon a time there was a Morrowind based one in Dom 3.
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>>166497374
Yeah thats's what I've been doing too. Do you have any tips for my Machaka "problem", you're really helping me right now, thanks man
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>>166497204
His former cap site as "Lost Jungle City of Blood"
>>166497339
>Arco's a bit busy for feasting.
Terribly sorry about that
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HOW DO YOU FIGHT FLIERS AS A SLOW NATIONS??!?!?
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>>166497778

Afraid not. Never played 'em.
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>>166497585
Isn't it also overpriced as shit?
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>>166497204
I'd say something minor commemorating me getting BTFO by Ur in very quick fashion.

Alternatively, "Profane Scribe" that generates 1 blood slave.
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>>166497963
pray your pretender picked really good scales then.
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>>166497882

Outsmart them or ritual movement.
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Can celestial servants be used for anything useful?
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>>166499474
no
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>>166497953
Ah well, thanks anyway man :)
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>>166461538
I'm blogging but I'm not involved in anything super interesting yet, and I skipped half a year just now because I've been busy. Blog posts should start going live soonish.
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>We banned EA Atlantis in the theme of MA Nazca and EA Abysia bans
t. Something Awful
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>>166503663
based
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>>166503663
What do they even have in common?
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>>166504339
Bad nations that people nevertheless banned for mystifying reasons.
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>>166504339
They were all shitty bans.
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>>166503663
Are goons clinically retarded?
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To be fair, Nazca wasn't a shit ban, except that la xibalba, ragha, ma pan, and Lanka were still around.
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>>166504339
I assume they're bans lodged in protest against the idea of banning.
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>>166504485
Yes, you'd have to be clinically retarded to make a joke about a make-believe game.
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>>166504823
We're all pro tourney players here. How are they gonna participate in the world cup if they don't take the qualifiers seriously?
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>>166479632

I mean, summer lions isn't a waste unless you got better things to use your fire gems at.
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>>166505405
Like lanterns that will help you actually win the game.
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>>166504402
Banning a weak nation can be a good idea depending on where you are in the picking order.
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>>166505462

If you have the time to go constr 6 and don't have someone coming to fuck your shit up before then
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>>166482839
>>166483815
what's so special about the grigori?

can i wish for the names of magical beings and get them summoned?
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>>166506216
nope, you wish for the unit name. Grigori are good super casters, but that's about it.
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What happens if you use amulet of the fish to bring a monster fish on lnad? Will it still swallow everyone?
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What if I got a Blood Pretender on an UW nation and I empowered some casters to start the economy, considering UW has higher safeguard from early rushes would it be viable or a complete waste?
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>>166505495
Pick priority was randomly assigned after each team submitted preferences for the first round of picks, which occurred postban. 9/11 teams got their first choice.
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>>166507009
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>>166507009
>Rudy Giuliani confirmed Dominions player?!
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>>166497339
Nah, I think it's ok actually. enough thrones to rp an alliance that won't inevitably turn sour.

Low points high thrones games is where it's at.

>>166497856
ayy

speaking of sites, there haven't been anything cataclysmic enough, hasn't been?

>>166498000
kek
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Hey, Arco (or anyone that had scouts there) - would you mind posting our battles?
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>enemy has 200 markatas
>lol, wut?
>Army of Gold
>x2 Strength of Giants
>fuuuuggg
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>>166504396
>Nazca
>bad nation

Honestly would rather fight Ragha. Would ban them over anything sans bats (because bats are fucking retarded OP).
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>>166506869
You can't blood hunt UW
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>>166510446

I want a blood UW nation. I want murmaiders.
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>>166510549
Summod EA Oceania
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>>166510615

Can they blood hunt underwater?
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>>166510759
no. Mechanically unpossible (though you could make events to simulate it, I guess)
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>>166510961

They should add an amphibious version of blood slaves, pure mermaidens to taint the sea red.
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I believe you can just add "amphibian" to the regular Blood Slave unit and you could use Blood Slaves underwater just fine.
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>>166512050
>all virgin women secretly have gills
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>>166512149
It's a fact.
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>>166512357

Women stop having gills because men keep breaking them.
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>>166507009
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>Oceania at 6/8 points to win
>but somehow I'm the bad guy that deserves a pile-on war
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What do you think about this for an awake Pretender for EA Machaka?
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>>166515167
W4 is super expensive on this chassis. Take E6N2 instead - enough for earth blood deep well and personal regen. Earth magic gives him some additional protection as well.
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>>166516050
Aleight thanks
What about the scales? Would it be better to pick up production instead of 3 order?
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So Caelum, is staling every other turn part of your meme strat or something?
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>>166516583
Order is a must. Your good mages are expensive and spread unrest. Drop misfortune down to 1 or 2. Take higher dominion to prevent your heretics from killing it.
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Memed out

By the AI
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>>166471490
I think I might join today. Even though I'm shit at Marignon I kind of want to play them.
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>>166517398
>frog symbol
???
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>>166517398
How the hell did this go down? Shouldn't that thing have been able to just flatten your whole army in a couple of turns while shrugging off the damage?
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>>166517602

Poison armour, I think?
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>>166517602
slimer
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What do you think of my Lanka Pretender?

The 1W may seem weird, but I have something I want to do with it. I want to summon Danavas and equip them with two pairs of gladiator gloves, then have them cast quicken self.
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>>166518052
whoops, forgot pic
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>>166517778
Not my army, Arco was fighting AI Agartha.
And it was the fatigue, it got critted to death. Also not having a shield probably helped.

>>166517602
MA Xibalba's Poisonous skin.
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>>166518052
>>166518225
Nope.

You want at least N9 as Lanka. Everything good you get is sacred and most of it can bless itself, it's just too efficient not to take.
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>>166518225
Garbage.

>Awake
Why?
>A3
Why?
>No bless
Why? Lanka really loves a decent bless. N9 at least is practically mandatory, and W9 is super fucking good.
>Those scales
Why? Lanka hates order, so T3L3 is a no-brainer, and G3 is great for blood hunting. Their units are all garbage so Sloth is fine, and being able to research your summons is essentially so magic is good as well.
>Danavas
They arrive as units, you need to GoR them and that's pretty inefficient to do. How would they cast Quicken Self, anyway? They get .5A .5A .5B .5B when they become commanders, no W to speak of.

You're also choosing to focus on Danava, which you get at blood 8 using a spell that gives you three beefy and useful units, over Unlimited Dakini Works, which you get at blood 6 and gives you one of the most efficient summoned commanders in the entire game. Why?

Just... Why?
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Okay, so who exactly is eligible for seats of the round for MA Man in summod/magic enhanced. Just curious, and would be faster than doing a really long test game.
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hello darkness my old friend
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>>166520537
Open up the DMs and look.
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>>166520279
ah sorry.
equip them with 2 gladiator gauntlets and a water bracelet.
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Blesses especially 9 blesses, are massive point sinks that you can only put into capital only units and summons. Its a slog dragging priests around and sacreds are usually overhyped, overpriced and limited to a handful of units per turn. I don't like using strong blesses, I think they are a waste.

I think Lanka's units are actually pretty decent, the markata are pretty useless, but atavi archers are like a slightly better version of bakemono-sho, and their arrow storms are brutal. Bandar are strong, have good stats and are pretty cheap, and their sacreds are good even without a strong bless.
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>>166519838
>>166520279
Besides, my pretender already has a strong bless. +Str, +HP, +Undying is nothing to shake a stick at, basically 10 extra hp and enough damage to finish most units off in one hit.
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>>166523304
N9 imo is extremely versatile, but only due to shroud of the battle saint.
W9 needs a good reason to take, but can often be extremely potent - same with B9. At their core these are troop blesses.
E4 is very cheap, and pairs super nicely with many awake expanders anyhow. E9 is something I only really like on Niefel, and only then because making the giants fatigue neutral changes how they have to be countered.

F9, D9, S9 have extremely limited use imo. A9 is just a meme.
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>>166520279
also
>awake
with about 450 points of research early game I wouldn't have got otherwise
>Sloth Scales
What are you, new?
>Danava
Nothing wrong with Danava, but you don't just spam high level summons, especially with blood magic. You gotta make your gems count. If I could make 1 Danava every turn or so, I wouldn't mind some thunderspam.
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>>166523890
You got a point though, Lanka do have good sacreds.
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>>166523304
>their arrow storms are brutal*
brutal against chaff, i mean
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>>166523467
>Turmoil 1 so 2 less blood slaves per hunt, 2 less chaos power
>Using misfortune with turmoil
>no growth on a blood nation

Literally seen better stuff from the AI.
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>>166523890
I always though blood 9 should be berserk, not reflec weirdness. earth 9 is underrated
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>>166524302
Turmoil 1
yeah, and no -10% income and an extra 4% random shittery either.

Turmoil and misfortune
admit its a bad combo, but misfortune 1 isn't terribad and kind of fits the theme

Growth on a blood nation
Not really necessary if you're not looking to pull 100+ slaves a turn. People used blood for years without growth scales and did fine without it, just gotta roll with the entropy.
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>>166524302
growth on blood nations is so anti-thematic. It makes sense if you're running some sort of fertility cult, but if you're playing Carthridge or Volcano Gods it ruins the immersion.

I think its more fun to take death scales. (Though maybe not the best decision competitively)
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>>166524710
plus Turmoil one keeps my unrest under control with some strong PD. That helps more with blood hunting in the long run. Having to take 40-50 PD to reduce unrest makes repeat harvests more risky.
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>>166524847
Carthage practiced human sacrifice for fertility rituals, as did the Aztecs.
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>>166513017
I'm doing it because your incessant diplo and chatter irritates the tits off me
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>>166524042
Oh god, its awake! It's even dumber than I thought. How's that going to expand?
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>>166524985
I thought it was just cause Caligula was murderous fuck who liked stuffing young girls in golden calves to be roasted alive.

Or was that Rome?
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>>166524042
If you're making it awake specifically to research, you should take drain scales so you can pump up growth or something.
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>>166525089
Its not. Its going to buckle down and give me 500 points of research while everybody else is snoozing or trying to take one province at a time with their combat chassis
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>>166525238
Caligula is Rome, yes. Carthage sacrificed people to Baal Hammon (a storm/sky God with fertility powers in that aspect) and Astarte (a Phoenican rendition of Ishtar, a fertility goddess from Mesopotamia). The Aztec good of corn was worshiped via a ritual flaying.
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>>166525238
Not sure what the golden calf had to do with Caligula or Romans...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazen_bull
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>>166524985
>as did the Aztecs
those were harvest rituals
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>>166525536
Pot-ay-to, pot-ah-to.
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>>166525536
corns can be fertile too, anon
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>>166525449
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazen_bull
>"Possible link to Carthaginian sacrifice"
>"Roman persecution of Christians"

Dude, read the fucking article
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>>166525363
Not worth it. At all.

Literally spotting one of these derps is typically reason to attack - after all it reveals an easy target of AI level skill.
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Well, your opinions are duly noted, but let the record state that I strongly disagree.

I'm beginning to suspect that dominions players tend to give other players deliberately bad advice.
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>>166525873
Also great for late game summons and defending against water provinces. Its a late game build.
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>>166525925
Oh, keep ignoring the sacred part of the sacred summons in exchange for that sweet 400 RP.
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>>166526043
>Its a late game build

Its a dead by turn 30 build. Or a single player build, questionable if its crazier than the W9 earth snek.
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>>166526043
It's not a late game build.
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>>166526319
gimme a break. Its got tart access, tarrasque access, can cast motheroak and tree lords.

You're probably the kind of player who thinks its worth 10 turns of recruitment for an 80 sacred doom stack just so you can get a double 9 bless.
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>>166526694
What the fuck are you even trying to say?
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What's the best gear for an empowered Wind Lord thug?
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>>166526694
i mean where are you supposed to get your priests for your little mini-stack of sacreds? thats another 3 or 4 turns of recruitment or waiting to put your prophet on a H2 commander.

the 7 or 8 turns your waste trying to get your sacreds together could have been another 4 or 5 provinces in the bag.
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>>166526852
Well, the Aegis for sure. Maybe the Summit for a weapon. Not sure what all else you want, though.
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>>166526694
>all those spells you'll never reach

Personally, I'm the kind of player that kills people late year 1 early year 2 in almost every game I play.

That build you have has literally nothing to protect itself. It'd be an ideal target for a year 1 war.
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>>166526852
Bane venom charm and disease grinder
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>>166527090
Are you Lucky Arco?
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>>166527145
Literally who?
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stupid question: how do you raise a unit's "level" in magic? i.e. death magic 3->4
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>>166527675
Guy who killed or almost killed two nations in year 2
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>>166527697
You can give them the "empower" order, but it costs a lot of gems. It's better to forge a magic item which boosts it. Also, if it's just in combat, they can use a gem to boost it one level, or you can set up a communion if the unit has astral and you have other astral casters.
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>>166527697
If he's in a province with a lab, you can use the option "Empower" to gain a level permanently in any school of magic. It costs a lot of gems.
The better option is usually to forge a booster item for 5-10 gems - skull staff, water ring, thistle mace, etc.
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>>166527145
He's not.

>>166527741
You're making it sound as if it was something impressive. One was a microstate who got tricked into attacking me, the other went AI the turn I met him.

>>166508979
Sorry, didn't see your post. Pretty sure nothing interesting happened, though, just some more raiding, counter-raiding and counter-counter-raiding.
Also, you're a terrible person for making all these poor guys try to attack me only to make me raid them instead of you.
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>>166528448
>, the other went AI the turn I met him.
This is the main reason a bless rush manages to kill anyone in the first year. Even a mediocre player can hold out for a long time against an all-in bless rush with any luck at all.
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>>166528448
If you're strong enough to fight everyone, maybe everyone should fight you.
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>>166528684
Yes, that's exactly why my tribless Heart Companions rush was so successful.

>>166528815
I'd agree if I were actually the strongest.
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>>166529597
>tribless Heart Companions rush.
really?
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>>166529597
>letting Bogarus get 20+ forts
>letting Bogarus recruit 20+ mages every turn
You've already lost.
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>>166528448
All good, dude. I hadn't seen the turn yet and thought we were going to fight on 136

>>166529597
What other graphs you got?
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>>166529835
How does this make you feel?
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post you losers
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>>166532186
Are Marverni white?
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>>166532240
No. Only Machakans are.
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Every fucking game.
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>>166526694
Yeah, except
1.) Lanka doesn't need that, because blood magic
and
2.) thanks to N3, thorn armor, and mace, it already has access to all of that except tarts.
>10 turns of recruitment for an 80 sacred doom stack
Lanka gets sacreds from summons. Recruitment just lets you stay alive until then - blessed palanshka can defend against most things in T3. With summons, an "80 sacred" stack is a turn of blood hunting turned into asrapas.
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Alright, which one of you nerds stole my Gorilon?
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>>166525020
fair
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Earth Made Flesh objectively did nothing wrong.
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ded
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>>166492786

Did you actually buy cards? You should appreciate that you had what fun you had. I don't understand why you would keep playing a game that's lost its charm for you.There's probably nothing that's going to change how you feel about it.
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>>166540680
good thing dom4 hasnt lost its charm r-right guys haha
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>>166540779
y-yeah
it would be super bad if i were in like 10 games and didn't want to keep playing, haha...
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>>166540779

I bought the game about a month ago and immediately bit off more than I could chew regarding games. Honestly, it's more stressful than fun, but once these games finish I can go to playing a more reasonable number at a time.
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>>166540919
>>166540848
T H I S
H
I
S
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>>166459729
FUCKING AUSTRALIANS
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>>166492723
T3L3G3 Mictlan works fine desu famalam.
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>>166496982
Machaka has elephants with very good MR, which gives it solid expansion. You can supercharge it with an awake.

I personally think Machaka does best with good scales and a lich queen or bouda father.
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Sorry for stalling. I swear I had sent my turn, apparently I was wrong.
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>>166543137
>>166543439
Thanks guys
I appreciate the help

What would you take for scales as Machaka? Taking sloth for points works right? Troops dont cost that much resources i noticed
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>>166509750
>AoE AN attacks
>shit HP, shit morale markatas die or flee
wow so scary
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>>166547708
>A fun and gimmicky strategy using normally awful troops has counters
damn I sure wouldn't have guessed that if you hadn't pointed it out thanks dude.
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>>166547708

They're pretty boss when led by a Sleeper with Will Of The Fates up, at least. Because they're so low HP, Luck is basically an improved version of Dom3 Luck.
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>>166547708
I don't think you'd even need to specifically send a counter. Markata still only do 7 damage with strength buffs.

>>166548048
They're nice chaff for soaking melee attacks. Not very good at doing anything else, though.
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>>166548150

Flaming Arrows goes a way to helping, given they get two ranged attacks a turn.
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>>166548218
Aren't they a bit vulnerable to shitting all over themselves with flaming crap?

That's what I heard about the strategy when it was last discussed.
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>>166548048
Will of the Fates would be better used on something with survivability outside of WoF. Something that only needs luck triggered on the second hit, rather than the first means that they get more mileage out of WoF.
>>166548218
>>166548150
This is the only reason to ever use Markatas. You do cast Army of Gold/Lead, yes, but not on 200 Markatas only. You bring them along with other troops, to soak melee and to pepper his frontline with flaming poop before your actually good troops do the real work
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>>166548275

A bit, yeah. But it's short enough ranged that the precision isn't THAT unreliable even at Prec8, and worst case you can put Wind Guide up or something.

>>166548312

I'm not sure you understand how luck works. It sticks around. If every attack on something is a fatal attack, then 75% of those attacks do nothing. For the entire battle. On something which can take damage without it being reliably fatal then it can be reduced in HP and force morale checks and gain afflictions. Low HP troops gain a massively greater benefit from WotF than troops with big HP pools.

But yeah. Two hundred Markatas aren't a strategy on their own. They're a front line for holding stuff while your giant sacred communions fuck shit up, and they can also do reasonably well for themselves with Flaming Arrows and strength buffs up.
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>>166548608
Do remember to consider regen, though.

While I think you're still right about markata getting the greatest benefit from WotF, regenerating troops which have a lethal hit negated by Luck could end up regenerating enough to take multiple extra hits without needing Luck again.

Markata don't get benefit from that interaction when stacking regen and luck because of their low hp.
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>>166549220

Fair point. And with regen up the getting-afflicted-to-shit thing is less of a risk.
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Oh hey, I just realised I have a way to fluff sacrifices
I send shit to the AIs
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Anyone got Wish researched and the path to cast it? I'm willing to donate 100 pearls just so we can get an arena going already.
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Ermor was here
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Oh for fuck's sake guys
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Why doesn't summod nerf iron Blizzard?
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>>166557578
It doesn't need nerfing, Ulm should be spamming Magma Eruption, not Iron blizzard
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>>166557578
Because it's a mediocre spell?

Why doesn't summod nerf crossbowmen? Surely, no one man should hold such power.
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I'm gonna make a medieval HOMM3 sort of game and I wanna add some dank dominion 4 references (setting is also medieval high fantasy), what should I add?
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>>166558775
Nice idea, but do you have what it takes to realize it to the fullest? Can you code/do art?
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>>166558846
>do you have what it takes to realize it to the fullest?

Most likely not. I have too little experience to realize any idea I have right now to its "fullest". But it'll be a learning experience.

>Can you code/do art?

I can program, I'll just use actual HOMM3 sprites and whatever I can dish out in MSPaint or gimp.
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>>166558775
The legend of Forester Bob must be told.

That or the Malakal conspiracy stuff.
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>>166558775
"having mastered his own mortality, he has nothing left but to achieve godhood
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>>166523304
Man, atavi archers are FAR better then bakemono-sho.
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>>166559359
I can add bob as a sort of boss or NPC but you'll have to give me a latin version of "bob" or something, as to not break immersion.
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>>166559772
>latin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert
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>>166559842
Rodebrecht or Rodbertus then?
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ATTACK THE BATS ATTACK THE BATS
ATTACK THE BATS ATTACK THE BATS
ATTACK THE BATS ATTACK THE BATS
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>>166559941
Hrēodbēorð. Go full ham.
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>>166523890
It dpeends really

I wouldn't bless sacreds unless they have a gimmick

ie: arcos acreds can fly and do serious damage early on, vanheim has sacred casters that are practically untouchable with mistform and a water bless

but by example tnn thuathas aren't impressive at all for a bless. same with caelum temple guards who are just humans with magical weapons, and their sacred flyers have their niche filled by highly cheap troops
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>>166559990
>>166559941
>>166559842
>>166559772
You can alternatively just call him Leaflord or something. The important thing is that he claims to be a god and he crushed two armies with his legendary equipment. If you're ambitious then you could turn that into some kind of encounter. If you want to play it safe though then just toss in his weapons with vague descriptions.
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Is curse of the desert effective fighting mass batmen spam? If he has ozelolts how do delet them?
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>>166561389
Also, how about shadow blast?
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>>166540680
I did. It's only a fraction of what people spend on MtG, so it's okay.
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>>166561484
If you don't have storm you risk shadowblasting your own troops. Otherwise it will clear almost anything without high MR.
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>least popular nation starts an early war
Fucking burds.
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>>166561389
>>166561484
fear effects work well if you kill enough to get through their squad size morale advantages

>>166561546
in MtG when you leave the hobby ideally you sell your cards and make back a tidy fraction of what you paid; if you play legacy you almost always gain interest on the good cards
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>>166561636
What does storm has to do with it? I'm using the default anti-bat block of everything set to hold & attack with a few other summons outside to kill stragglers and the mages in the middle. And I have storm.
>>166561643
At least you didn't had a nearly finished fort getting rekt EA game.
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>>166560814
Alright, I'll think about whether to make it a boss or just items when I get closer to actually finishing a demo ( which is probably gonna be months away).

I'll ask here what descriptions those items should have by then, because I enjoy free stuff and having other people think for me.
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>>166560051
You still take N9 on TNN - more so for the thug Sidhe lords tbf, but may as well use it on the Tuatha too.
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>>166561815
storm = bats cant fly
no storm = bats in your ranks constantly

get the magic 2h weapons that gives storm at the start of battle and stick it on a priest or indie commander or something
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>>166561815
early game*
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>>166561815
Because you don't want bats to fuck up your formation turn 1.
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>>166561651
"Ideally".
With the Standard format around cards become worthless really fast. Also most of the cards of recent editions, are worthless for the modern format, since much more broken versions exist in earlier editions.
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>>166562008
wizards print another block like innistrad = modern meta fuckers leave the hobby and they dont buy decks anyway
wizards dont print another block like innistrad = boosters sales slow

it's only a matter of time before another set shakes up shit just because cuhrazy sets make more profitable standards
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anyone interested in a new game? thinking of hosting one.
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>>166561886
If there is a global storm enchant do bats keep their fort defence bonus?
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>>166562176
Well I quit for now, I didn't have too much fun, despite liking MtG. Guess I've been playing with the false people.
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>>166562275
Just host and see. People tend to join games pretty fast. Be sure to be a good admin and kick out people who stale twice in a row though.
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>drive maverni back to their capital
>sauro has their troops right next to them
>retreat
>sauro, for some reason I fail to understand, decides to attack my lands instead

mate.

are you, entirely, 100% sure you want to do this. I've seen the battle report. You have no mage support.
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Can someone link the weird variant of Hexawyr that AutisticRPGame uses? I'm on a different computer now.
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>>166564337
Can't you just look it up on the game page, you double nigger?
http://www.llamaserver.net/admin.cgi?game=AutisticRPGame
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>>166564451
Oh, I can!
Thanks.
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>>166524042
Are you fucking retarded

Holy shit
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Here is what mictlan has on my cap just if people are interested in what mictlan has.
His bless is precision +3, shock resist +5, HP+8, strength +4 and blood vengeance.
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>>166565124
>your pretender on 6 months of single player
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>>166565508
no regen?
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>>166567406
I just forgot to type that.
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>>166513017
Glorious Ermor about to win, the master plan is about to work
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>>166565508

Remember, Mictlan gets sacreds in PD as well.
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Time for "This Wonderful World"
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>>166573372
I actually didnt know that but considering I am confined to my single skeleton packed province I dont think it'll make much difference.
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Is it just me or is AutisticRP moving really fast these days?
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>>166562275
I would kill for another noob friendly game.
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>>166574084
Because you have no units to move ;^)
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>>166574084
Its pretty fast in general all things considered.
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>>166574234
And only 1 stale. Besides Yomi being lazy early on and those two guys that replaced themselves with superior AI it's going pretty well.
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>>166574482
I think I can see why Ermor went AI now. I think he might possibly have been on the receiving end of a three way gangbang.
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>>166574746
So am I but I'm still here.
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>>166574858
Not for long, judging by your cap ownership.
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>>166574906
We'll see.
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>>166574858
Yeah but you sort of asked for that. I think three people just decided to attack ermor on their own with no collaboration at the exact same time.
I was certainly surprised at least, thought he was going to kick my ass
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>>166575098
>Yeah but you sort of asked for that
t. Marverni
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>>166575335
Hey, I don't hide my identity

but you did ask for it
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>>166575929
>but you did ask for it
No?
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>>166576193
uh-huh
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>>166578485
only barbarians felt offended
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>>166578485
>the weaker is kept down by the stronger
>lose
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>>166578485
That was a turn 1 declaration justifying me annexing independents. I legit don't understand how anyone could think that was me declaring immediate war on every player in the game.
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>>166578942
You may not have
but what stops him from using it to declare war on you?
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>>166578674
we're still fucking his greek ass

Y'see, what we saw was some stuck up foreigner coming into our tula and talking about some bullshit assembly of people we don't care about, and then telling us that they were going to have an empire and that they were going to fight to get it. How else were we meant to interpret it?
>>166578942
>That was a turn 1 declaration justifying me annexing independents
Yeah, but your meaning was not expressed clearly in your message
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>>166579078
Nothing but we were talking OOC and this convo came up before. He genuinely read it that way. Hinnom too evidently.

>>166579178
My fault for over estimating the other players' reading comprehension and grasp of context.
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>>166579078
also this desu

also also, Orlanthi fucking hate emperors, we've had really terrible experiences with them in the past dontcha know
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>>166579178
>we're still fucking his greek ass
Tough talk for someone that's lost over half of his army's mage corps to PD and bad scripting :^)
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DOUBLE UP YOUR TURNS YOU FUCKS
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>166578942
Hey man, if you declare yourself the hottest shit in the world how do you think a bunch of egotistical gods are going to react?
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>>166579521
I'd agree with you if I'd declared myself the hottest shit in the world and everyone was RPing egotistical Gods. Or even if they were just using a bullshit cassus belli IC. It's the OOC justification that annoys me.
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>>166579385
>lost 2 druids and a few stargazers
>still have all the important parts of my mage corps on that army, and better parts on their way
>still have around 50 druids and stargazers researching in various forts
tough talk for someone who's down to 4 provinces and no forts and has to rely on ogres and indie archers for an army
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>>166579731
We've only fought won real battle. Don't count your chickens before they hatch. I'll almost certainly die since I'm fighting 3 people at once, but don't think it's gonna be free.
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>>166579178
Eehh, I didn't feel particularly threatened by it.

It's not unlike gauls to have a grudge with meds after all

>>166579521
heh. snek does not care for other gods as long as they don't get between her and the thrones.

>>166579640
you essentially challenged everyone into proving they are hotter shit. people responded. that is all.

you could have in fact played it defensively, and rped other nations into attacking your enemies as they suicided against your PD. It was early game after all.
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>>166579842
>won
*One
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I'm really super busy, but you can be sure that I'll reply to everyone next time. And yeah, birds are getting cocky, so we'll have to deal with that in a while. Also, send N gems for my all other types of gems if you want.

And, uhh... rhymes and stuff! Gotta go, turn submitted.
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>>166580084
Post more poetry fucker. You are my invaderfu <3
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>>166580226
I will. PhD stuff to do, sorry.
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>>166562275
>>166574157
I'm already hosting like... other noob games
but sure why not, I'll make one quickly
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>>166581721
that's meant to be 4 :V
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>most important caster for the battle got T1 RNG'd
>should've been an overwhelming victory
fug
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>>166574157
>>166562275
http://www.llamaserver.net/pretAdmin.cgi?game=JobbingToXibalba
I named it Jobbing to Xibalba, because I have a feeling that that will be exactly what will happen

NOOB ONLY GAME
NO WAY TO ENFORCE THAT REALLY, BUT WHATEVER
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>>166584441
>NO WAY TO ENFORCE THAT REALLY
Make the steam group sign up thread, I can help you filter the fags.
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>>166584574
>>166584441
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussions/0/143388511227777014/
well gawrsh, thanks senpai
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>>166585198
>picking a nation first as an admin
Bad manners.
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>>166586283
Is it? My bad, I didn't know it would be
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>>166586283
>not getting a reward for all your troubles
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>>166586401
There's no rules against this, but I would bitch about it If I was in the game. Taking a strong blood nation first might be seen as tryharding too much. At least it's not Xib.
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>>166586581
I was actually going to play no blood berry, but yeah, I can see how it would be rude
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>>166585198
>"I would like to join"
>not telling a nation
Please, educate those retards that you're supposed to tell others their nations so they could contact each other on Steam.

t. Malakal
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>>166588216
presumably they'll post their nations at some point
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What the fuck, TNN.

What the actual fuck.

Don't you fucking tell me you picked an awake expander.

I'm gonna fucking rush you so fucking hard my man.
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>>166589845
TC and Caelum have the same bless.

And Caelum didn't take an awake.
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To whom it may concern.

Nick attacked Ulm.

I repeat, Nick attacked Ulm.

This is not a drill.

Initiate protocol SWORDFISH immediately.
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>>166590225
>SWORDFISH
But I don't even HAVE Wind Lords, how am I supposed to empower them?
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>>166590225

Motherfucker if you wanted protocol SWORDFISH you should have told me before the game started so I could submit my dualbess Earth Snake!
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>>166590440
No, you idiot, it's the FOXTROT protocol.

>>166590579
No, you idiot, it's the TANGO protocol.
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>>166590697

Hang on a minute, I'll get my reference guide.
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>>166590697
fuck's sake Malakal you've got so many fucking codewords, how am I meant to keep track of them all?
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>>166590918
>>166590936
Gosh, guys, just use the codebook:
https://www.plumbingsupply.com/plumbing_dictionary.html
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>>166590440
I will legit let Arco keep any province he takes with an empowered Wind Lord.
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>>166589845
Awake TNN is fine, especially on a tight map. Don't be a retard
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>>166591616
Early-game is over.

Your cap is mine, you little bitch.
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>>166591616
I'm not mad about awake.

I'm mad he didn't fucking take the boar. The boar tramples, thus ignoring glamor, and would have been FAR better at fighting vs Fomoria. It also would have still allowed for an N9 bless of thugs, and for Tuatha - and while N9 Tuatha are by no means top tier sacreds, they can kick Fomoria's shit in.

I guess he thought he was gonna contest UW vs Atlantis/R'lyeh. Seems legit.
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>>166562648
>Sauro
>no mage support

lolwhat?
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>>166591782
N9 is also great for thugs, which TNN can have aplenty. And E6 is just ECH-tier. Your best A2 mage assassins are not even sacred for fuck's sake.
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What is the memest stuff ME has?
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>>166593105
A spell that gives Abysia a capital site with 20% blood discount and a free demon lord along with it.

A spell that makes all units and players in the world do a morale check each round or run away.

A spell that makes earth elementals attack commanders in every province of the world once every turn.

A spell that lowers every player's dominion to almost zero in 20 turns and also makes devils attack all priest units every turn.
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>>166591482
Are you in Autistic RP? I might do it for the memes
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>>166593105
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B L I T Z
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Can someone give me some tips on how to build a pretender for MA Nazca? I don't know if I should take an awake for expanding onr not
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>>166585198
>all this homoeroticism in the comments
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>>166596130
You do want an awake, but Nazca gets fucked if they don't take at least a dual bless. B9 is a must, because you have so many supayas, and W9 makes them hit more often which helps with the MRN. F9W9 is something I've seen that works pretty well, and you have a chassis that can take it, but that tanks your scales a little.

My advice would be W9B9 fountain of blood, with O3, S3, C3, G3, Misf 1, Drain 1, or Misf 2 and magic neutral, depending on how you like to play
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Unholy alliance is on.

Reminder to shoot anyone who tries to establish diplomatic contact with you because it's probably malaknight
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>>166598328
pls make an edit

also, who's malakek in 4th? I wanna gangbang him too
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>>166598042
Alright thanks
So the pretender is just there to research right?
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>>166598042

Why the everloving fuck would you ever take an awake immobile?
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>>166599114
Monolith drop.
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>>166599186

Is retarded before you've got some way of keeping the thing alive in heavy enemy dominion.

Plus he suggested a W9B9 fountain. That has no mobility. Nada. No rituals that let you move around in either path.
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>>166598737
It's going to be imprisoned, so it'll probably not help much by the time it wakes up. Once you have a second fort up to recruit research slaves, only recruit incas and coyos in your cap and suicide them into the nearest throne province for supaya reanimators. Only recruit royal mummies when you need the paths, or if you need more supayas right now. I've not got the most experience with Nazca, but I do know they like enchantment, for skelespam and rigor mortis.
>>166599114
Show me an immobile that can be awake, take an off chassis major bless and still have good scales. This one is obviously imprisoned
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>>166599428
>>166599335
Thanks guys, really appreciate the help
So it's kinda similar to EA mictlan in terms of units and playstile (except its no blood nation), just spam sacreds with a good bless?
Also are the cap only sacreds worth it?
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>>166599739

The primary Nascar sacred of choice used to be the goast burd. Can't recall off the top of my head whether you get 'em as an undead priest reanimation option or there's a ritual, but they're pretty good.

Ethereal fliers. MRnegates weapons, mind you, but they're damn good at miring stuff down and being hard to kill. There was a nerf at some point, because they were truly, ridiculously bananas at launch, but I forget what it was and haven't seen or played many Nazcas since.
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>>166599739
Supayas won't win you the game like Mictlan. They are good because they are practically free and have built in defenses that let you PD raid really efficiently, and in battles they are good evo bait, and can heavily damage someone that isn't well prepared for them.

That said, you're Nazca, anyone fighting you knows you will have masses of Supayas. Antimagic makes them offensively useless. Magic weapons kill them quickly. The usual undead counters work just as well against them. Don't rely only on your sacreds, your mages have good options too, and I'm assuming you're the guy in JobbingToXibalba, so maybe you'll get lucky and whomever you fight doesn't know how to counter your guys.
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>>166600075
Ok I see
Gonna do some testing tomorrow and take a closer look
Thans for the help
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>>166600253
Nah I am in that game but not as nazca
But what am I gonna recruit my first couple of turns? Just sacreds backed with archers or are there other worthwile troops?
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>>166599114
I took one in Late to the Party

I wanted to win with it to meme on the other players, but sadly the only winner in that game was cancer.
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>>166600513
Spam aucac runa spearmen. They're not as good as Caelum's spire horns, but they still alpha strike effectively
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>>166600654
Alright nice
You're cool man, thanks for explaining that stuff
Gotta go to bed now though
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>>166600832
y-you too
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>>166598328
I just needed to ask Malakal-sempai about how to use Lemuria as a disciple. Turns out he used Lemuria in some sort of proto-summod where they still got 15 death gem capital but started with an actual death mage.
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>>166601801
>Lemuria as a disciple
So a nation of literally nothing with super expensive summons?
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>>166602021
Ermor disciple has worked a few times before, but yeah Lemuria I think would work better as a pretender
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>>166600075
>used to be
They were nerfed since then. Not that they're bad now, but they're not like they were.
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>>166602021
When they got their full cap income and start with a death mage (cronemod I think it is actually) they arguably have the strongest expansion in the game, and certainly the strongest in LA by a huge margin.

They're the only nation I'd put on par with EA Xib in expansion, though I'd place them slightly behind. Lemur Centurions ftw.

Naturally you then hand these provinces off to people who can better use them.
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Why didn't you win a single game yet, huh, /domg/?
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Game: Lucky_Thirteen
Turn number 33
Next turn due: 03:13 GMT on Thursday January 26th

Under new management

Arcoscephale Waiting for 2h file
Atlantis 2h file received
C'tis 2h file received
Marignon Waiting for 2h file
Mictlan 2h file received
Bogarus 2h file received
Ulm 2h file received

Last updated at 01:25 GMT on Thursday January 26th
Current time: 01:25 GMT
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>>166605378
Joke's on you, I won my very first multiplayer game. I haven't won since...
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>>166605378
Because I'm playing the long con. I'll lull you all into a false sense of security, then I'll strike and win my first game.

You've all been playing checkers, but I've been playing chess the whole time.
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>>166605978
while you're playing chess im playing dominions 4 loser
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>>166605978
It's been working so far. I consider you an easy rush target.
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>>166605378
I did win a game

I won a game as Ur, in fact

The only game I ever won
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>>166606192
Where's my chess mod for dom4?
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>>166606207
You'll see.
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>>166605693
I won my very first game. As MA Ermor.

Then later I won another game with MA Ermor.

I have yet to win another game.
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http://www.llamaserver.net/doAdminAction.cgi?game=FourthTurning&action=showadminlog
For fuck's sake. We're on year two. Stop extending every goddamn turn.
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>>166611754
How about people stop staling and needing to be subbed?

Christ, I've already had to sub out TC, Caelum, Abysia, Hinnom, and Berytos. In Caelum's case it was more setting him AI, since the sub stated the position was irredeemable.

Thank you to Fomoria, and any others getting rekt, for not giving up and staling out.
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>>166611754
Any game with more than 5-6 players will inevitably become a stalefest. Why would you join a game with 30 players?
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Any game with 5-6 players recruiting?
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>>166584441
Hi I joined Therados
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I want my Dominions 3
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>>166591016

This guide does not explain what Operation SWORDFISH is anywhere.
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>>166619493
>Do you neighbor Vanheim
>Yes - Attack Vanheim
>No - Do you neighbor the people who could attack Vanheim?
>Yes - Do not attack them. Send them gold.
>No - Send gold to people that are fighting Vanheim.
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>>166603719
Lemuria disciple worked like this:
Massive centurion expansion; possible use in early wars. Use indies to fuel research, hand off all other provinces to allies. From then out, death gems and research get turned into your immortal mage SCs for defensive purposes.
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>>166613724
I get that you need to extend for subs, and we had an early kerfluffle. That explains maybe half of the 15 extensions we've had. It's turn 17. When people ask you to extend at this point, just tell them to fuck off, since they're holding up the game for 29 other people who did put things aside so they could take their turn.
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>>166459729
>>Our pastebin
>http://pastebin.com/uTZnjYwm (embed) (embed) (embed)
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Does anyone know why has Pythium stalled 3 times already?
If he's not playing anymore the admin should make him A.I or try to find a sub.
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>>166620807
His wife was hit by a bus.
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>>166620557
>15 extensions by turn 17
is Lukas the admin?
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Tell me about the web. What does it do? Entangle?
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>>166561815
what the hell are you talking about nigger?
I didn't attack your fort, we bumped when expanding and you got your ass handed to you.
Then you decided to expand north with your mercs and take back the province you lost.
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>>166620557
Pretty much any extension shorter than 6 hours was me hunting down subs. The 24 hour extension was for Berytos sub to acclimate.

Forget exactly who asked for the 6 hour extensions, but safe money says Aran or Lukas. And I have denied at least one extension to Aran already, on the basis of muh diplo not being an acceptable reason.
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>>166621038
Is that supposed to be funny?
Cause its kind of funny
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>>166621450
It does
>Web (?, Dominions 3)
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>>166621556
>somebody asked for an extension just so he could diplo

Anybody who is neighboring him and not considering invading him is doing this game an immense disservice. What nation is he?
>>
Hey guys, I made a version of WH with grammar and spelling fixes to many of the hero descriptions.

The new version is on Llamaserver, along with a non-nerfed version. You can find the file for that here - https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B51DS6LWagFTT3pDZUFHUkRZTTg
And a version without nerfs to the Telkhine heroes here - https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B51DS6LWagFTMW5Nb2VRSDMxNVU

Also, if you find bug fixes or typos, post em.
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Bogus pls leave
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>>166623126
to be clear, there are currently no new heroes or mechanical changes aside from making the lionesses that are battle summoned by the Spirit of the Lion stop appearing as separate heroes.
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>>166623126
>>166623251
Sounds like it's time for a new game.

Here's a regular roleplaying game for people that enjoy roleplaying

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=RoleplayingIsFun
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>>166623195
The only 'bogus' thing here, is that event, am I right folks.
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What's more of a pushover province? Bear Tribe or Miltia, Light Infantry and Archers?
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>>166625162
Depends, but probably latter
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>>166625382
As MA C'tis. This expansion party has lost a lot of warrior lizards but my core of light infantry and C'tissian Infantry is still holding strong. I'm thinking I'll just put them near the front and rush into them for a quick rout.
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It's that time again. /domg/ is dying. Everyone post your favourite Thai comic-book.
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>>166628032

Not my favorite, but I've been reading this recently and it's pretty nice.
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>>166628032
what is the most dom4 kinda anime book out there

you know, one that isn't Berserk
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>>166629776
Being the Go Nagai fan that I am I think I have to say Devilman Lady. It's all about smashing mythology together.
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>>166628032
it's Australia day mate
1/4 of the thread is out doing autistic shit with their mates in a bi-yearly leaving of the house (ie. me, I played board games for 8 hours)

1/4 of the thread is FUCKING NORMIES and go to FUCKING NORMIE BBQs with their FUCKING NORMIE MATES and drink FUCKING NORMIE BEER and have FUCKING NORMIE
>FUN

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

also non-Aussies are shitcunts
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If I put a bane venom charm on a commander inside of my fort while it's sieged, will my other units in that fort be diseased or only the besieging army?
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>expansion stalled on all sides
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>>166630387
What board games, mate?
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>>166559962

DEXTER'S SECRET
DEXTER'S SECRET
DEXTER'S SECRET
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>>166630818
Hanabi, Glory to Rome, No Siesta, Roll for the Galaxy and Ascension: Chronicle of the Godslayer were the ones I played

it was a full group event thing and not among friends; I've made friends there though

also invited a few of the people there to come join the dom4g hivemind; a few of them are autist savants and many others are just the general player crowd type

also tfw group milf doesn't want to Ara Ara~ you
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>>166622934

What nation are you?
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Top tier diplomacy faggot.
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>>166631878

What's wrong with that?
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>>166631967
We bumped in a province and this was his message.
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>>166631991

Who won the bump?
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>>166632040
Him.
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>>166632094

Kek. I guess it would have been hilarious either way.
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>>166632145
Maybe I shoudl take (87) instead, since he didn't specify that one :^)
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>>166605378
cause i've only played one game (which i am still in the middle of) and got fucked super hard by Pan
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>>166621526
I'm not who you are talking about and we didn't entered combat.
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In case of a siege, if I order another army to attack my sieged fortress and order the guys inside to attack too will they join forces?
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I'm getting attacked by caelum in a game, there is a storm going on. Will earthquakes affect the fliers?
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>>166633569

Storm does not prevent fliers avoiding earthquake, last I checked.
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>>166633569
Also how do I make sure my mages survive the casting? What spell should they use? I can't give them any items
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>>166633815

What paths do they have? If they don't have Air, they WILL take damage, but given they can cast Earthquake, then Ironskin will let them probably survive a couple casts. Probably.

Personally I tend to slap a ring of levitation on my ambush earthquake bastards.
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>>166633810
Really? Fucking hell illwinter. It's either earthquake or hope gifts from heaven do the job.
>>166634012
3S2E or 3S3E
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>>166634070

Gifts it'll have to be. Not got the good Astral and Earth army buffs rolling yet?
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>>166634151
I don't have a army :^).

It's a defensive kinda deal. What would be better, to make a communion with 6 of those fuckers and cast things or make each one of them cast individually?
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>>166633347
If the enemy keeps sitting on your fortress, definitely.

The enemy could attack your non-fortress army though, and I'm not sure how that would turn out.
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>>166634231
Well I think he will probably breach it the same time my army moves over.
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>>166634194

You're probably fucked either way, but with Earthpower all of those can throw Blade Wind or Gifts. Depending on what you're actually expecting in the way of enemy forces, you'll probably wanna decide which of those to go with if you're set on direct damage dealing.

Depending on which age Caelum, he may have storm immune fliers, in which case you're definitely fucked. If you have the gems for Earthquake, you may wanna dedicate a couple of the High E guys to throwing out Earth Elementals. Caelum's troops are trash, so elementals might go a fair way to helping deal with them. Earth ones aren't amazing, but will hopefully get the job done against two-to-a-square human statline chumps.
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>>166634194
A communion would probably result in more casts overall, at the expensive of taking 1-2 turns to set up.

I'd probably just cast individually, but it really depends how many turns you think you have before an enemy unit walks up and pokes one with a sword.
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>>166634694
>>166634596
Are you guys sure that storm does not make them vulnerable to the shakes?
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>>166634694
Oh, and it also depends how many E3S3 you have.

If the majority are E3S3 you won't even get much of an improvement out of a communion.

>>166634759
Yes.
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>>166634782
>>166634694
>>166634596
Well I`m not that guy but I really wish earthquakes could affected grounded fliers
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I'm getting sick of having to reorganize broken formations after large battle. Is there any way to wipe the slate clean and reset everything at once?
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>>166636328

I think there was a clear all orders hotkey from the Army Organization screen? Try ? and see what pops up.
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>>166636469
It cleared all orders but the position wasn't reset.

It's a pain but I guess I'll do it manually.
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Mari, what are you doing? Stop hitting yourself.
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>>166637763
Also, a little secret for all you folks at home.

Remember I told you that Falling Fires is non-magic damage, so air elementals are almost unaffected by it?

Well, Pillar of Fire is absolutely the same non-magic damage. Mistform/Ethereal can negate its damage ez-pz.
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>>166637843
what the fuck illwinter
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>>166638082
It'lll be fixed in dom 5 together with >>166635052
:^)
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>>166638082
What? Did you want a 34++ AP damage range 100 F2 20 fatigue spell to be even better?
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>>166635052
We all made this mistake at least once in our lives. It's okay, bro.
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>>166638154
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>>166638082
Most of fire evos are non-magic. Almost all of earth evos as well.
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>>166630387
Go suck a dick moggs.
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>>166630674
IT'S TIME FOR WAR
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>>166639496
Black is already being sieged by either cyan or aquamarine I think.
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>>166623413
>EA

What's a "regular roleplaying" game? What other kind of roleplaying are you distinguishing it from?
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>>166638131
Fire has, what, four good evos? Falling Fires, Pillar of Fire, Fireball and Fire storm. Of these, one is only useful in the early game, two are at evo 7+ and falling fires scales poorly. Why on earth does fire need to be nerfed?
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>>166639715
Please, point me at the exact sentence where I said it needs to be nerfed.
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>>166639709
apparently the roleplaying in AutisticRPGame isn't good enough
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>>166639792
my bad
Why on earth does fire not need to be buffed?
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>>166639871
How would you buff it?

Keep in mind that summod already buffs fire combat magic by providing a mass phoenix power spell that makes all fire mages +1F (and that allows F1 fags to spam pillar of fire without spending gems, which is a huge fucking deal if you were at the receiving end of this at least once). Plus, flame spirits give 1 fire gem per month to make sure your army won't run out of gems when it marches on the enemy.
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Man, I agree to your offer, you can take 7. Also, PMed you.
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>>166639987
Well, making fire damage magical would help against fog warriors cunts, and having the good fire evos at a lower research level would help primarily fire nations a good deal.

But what fire really needs is a ubiquitous troop buff. Flaming arrows is good, but if you don't have access to good archers it's generally not worth the effort. I think that something that buffs the attack skill of your troops by a small amount, like +2, with 3 versions at varying research levels and path requirements would be very useful, and not too unbalancing.
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>>166637843
>>166638082
>>166638593
>>166639715
>>166640327
Falling fires and pillar already cause magic damage. Did you dumbfucks flip out without checking this?
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>CoE4 is still a wildlife fighting simulator
Why did they even bother including cool shit like the various planes, if you're never going to see any of them?
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>>166559769
Bakemono cost less, have better protection, mountain survival and dark vision.
In what world are atavi archers better you drug taking hoon?
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Why and when would I use each of the various formations?

What benefits do each of them bring? Why would I use anything but box? Skirmish would be good against heavy missiles -- right?
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>>166642410
Evos with AoE that can clear your shit in 1 turn. Try casting 3 shadowblast on the AI's army, and see what happens.

Some troops have no morale penalties while fighting in line, and it allows to block stuff in a wider range so your mages can cast their spells. Also, line formation prevents fliers from flying, if you need them as blockers for your mages, for example.

Undead have no morale penalties, so you can set them to whatever you want.
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>>166642410
Box has more troops stuck in the back ranks = less troops actually fighting. It's also more vulnerable to spells.
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>>166642410
Box when you want to buff and be defensive against non-archer enemies
Skirmish when your enemy has lots of archers
Line when you want to maximise your attacks against your opponent and also hopefully get a surround on them
Double line when you want to get more hits in and still buff
Sparse line when you want to be divide and conquered and not really get anything done while someone using other formations gets full surrounds on your widely spaced guys
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>>166642368
When you care about disciplined
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>>166642528
>>166642596
>>166642939
Thanks anons.
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>>166643009
Discipline is a small thing to give up for the raft of bonuses that bakemono have.
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>>166643572
>Discipline is a small thing to give up
Undisciplined means you start with even worse morale (6 compared to 8), can't take any formation besides skirmish, and, this last one is huge, can't be given orders.

It's not a small thing to give up. Somewhat higher prot, 1 less gold, 50 darkvision, and mountain survival are nice, but it's not a clearly better trade either way.
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>>166646230
>6 morale
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>>166646230
Its 7 morale actually, assuming you lead them around with another bakemono instead of a demon general or something.
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>>166646628
Right, 7 morale. Still a problem.
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>>166646760
Unless you lead them around with a demon general, or any morale buffing commander, in which case its the same.
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>>166646918
>If you buff bakemeno morale and not atavi morale they have the same morale

And if you buff atavi protection and not baka protection atavi have better protection!
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>>166647409
Yeah but that takes a spell or something and you are probably going to be using demon generals a lot of the time anyway plus the buff is immediately available and dosent require any magic paths.
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>>166647507
That's irrelevant. The fact that you can raise morale for one group doesn't make morale the same. Because if you apply the same benefit to the other group, they still have better morale.
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>>166647661
yeah but 1 morale difference is a pretty good trade for all the other crap. Especially when the negative affects of it can be mitigated so easily.
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>>166647507

You say this like apes don't need to recruit their national high-morale commanders in order to lead shit.
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>>166647784
Demon generals can lead more shit than the monkey equivalents and are also mages so at least they can contribute to research or summon chaff as well.
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>tfw waiting for a make-or-break your game battle
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>>166647731
1 morale is not the only difference - in fact, it is the smallest issue with undisciplined. Try to keep up.

And, as I said, you're not "mitigating it". The morale difference is still there, whether you add a good commander to each side or not. You've just changed it from 7 v 8 to 8 v 9 or 9 v 10 or whatever. You don't get to ignore an issue by pointing out that stat can be improved when the other side can get the same benefit.
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>>166647731
>+5 prot
Still irrelevant, 6 prot vs 1 is unlikely to have a significant impact
>1 less gold
wow, what a savings
>50 darkvision
>Mountain survival
Eh? Not really important

They both have shit morale, but Bakemono being unable to do anything but shoot closest is shit

Being able to shoot large monsters, fliers, cavalry or archers allows you to hit commanders in certain situations. Which is huge.
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>>166648124
>make (something bad) less severe, serious, or painful
Seems like mitigating it to me. The difference of 1 morale between two chaff archers isnt going to win you any fights.
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>>166648214
Its important if you are going over a mountain. Or casting darkness.
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>>166648359
Yeah, it's situational. Whereas the other aspects apply to every fight. You're trading tactical flexibility in every battle you use them in in return for 2 situational things and a handful of other weak bonuses
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>>166648275
When you're comparing two units, and noting differences, mitigation means you are mitigating the differences. Adding morale to each side doesn't do that.
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>>166648678
Well how about this, why dont you go test how two equal amounts of both archers do in a fight against each other and tell me how often the 1 morale makes a difference?
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>>166648275
And you can give both sides ironskin, you can teleport them, you can cast solar brilliance to counteract darkness and any number of other buffs

The atavi will still be able to fire at things other than closest while the bakemono won't
The atavi will break last, while the bakemono will break first
114 bakemono archers vs 100 atavi archers is strictly worse
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>>166648806

Don't need to. The answer's "About 8% of the time"
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How do I Therodos guys?
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>>166649073
Reroll nation
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>>166648969
You got any proof to back up this?
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>>166649073

Summod?
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>>166649153
give me a few seconds
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>>166649153
I've played dominions 4 and know that being able to choose what you shoot at is vital for archers.
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>>166649325
Someone should make a map thats only like 3-4 provinces to make testing shit easier.
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>>166649157
OF COURSHE
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>>166649364
Thats some real solid proof you got there m8. At least this guy >>166649325 is putting some effort in.
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>>166649445
You, by rights, should also be providing proof.

No, it's not proving a negative. You're arguing that 114 bakemono archers are better than 100 atavi archers.
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>>166523304
>>166523890
Wait hold up I thought bless was one of the main strategies.

I, as a newfag, was going to try playing around with bless (on Lanka, incidentally). Is this still a good idea, or should I try some more general fuckery Ă¡ la the manual's Bogarus example?
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Well fuck me

I'll never be one to ignore the evidence in order to sound right on the internet

3 tests of 40 bakemono archers vs 40 atavi archers
Atavi set in box and to shoot archers, both set right at the back of the battlefield with an indie commander casting sermon of courage
Atavi lost all three times, whether attackers or defenders

3 tests with 20 atavi and 20 militia, vs 20 bakemono and 20 militias, militias in skirmish and set to hold and attack from the middle of the battlefield
Bakemono won each time, whether attackers or defenders

What I found was that atavi were unable to reliably cause damage to the bakemono. Their added prot was actually what helped them. The atavi taking losses was what caused them to rout before the bakemono.

With militia in the mix, the atavi were still firing at the bakemono and unable to inflict damage, while the bakemono were firing at the militia and the atavi and killing both, causing a rout.
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>>166649389

Take a solid thug bless. N9Ex at least. You're popkill, so you can easily afford to tank a few of your scales, which'll let you fit a Pretty Big bless. It's probably also worth taking paths for national summons. Notably, Spectral Philosophers will be a majority of your research corps. You can summon those with a D random Daktyl (and you should as soon as you get one), but having a couple levels of death on your pretender will let you summon revenants to do it instead.

Your starting army is perfectly capable of fucking shit up for expansion, even underwater, and you can put out an expansion army of Kouretes every two/three turns without the bullshit vanilla recruitment limit on them, depending on how big your bless/domscore is and how scary the indies you're looking at are.

Later on you'll want to switch to thugged Melias. Water and Earth randoms are best for that, for obvious reasons (Ironskin/Temper Flesh/Liquid Body)

>>166649928

Ignore him, he is not clever. It is ALMOST always worth taking at least a single major bless. It does of course vary by nation, but even MA C'tis, whose sacreds are dross, can benefit from N9E4 just because of their sacred lizard shamen. Going full scales is a perfectly valid and sound way of playing 'em too, but even then taking a major bless is a thing you need to at least think about first.
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>>166649928
imprisoned bless pretender on Nifl or Lanka or Mictlan or the like is basically babby's first Dominions strategy. It's hard to fuck up completely with it.
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>>166648806
make it equal gold cost
>>166648214
If you think so little of 1 gold savings and survivals, why the fuck are you so excited about atavi archers over normal 10 gold chumps?
undisciplined archers use skirmish formation (formation literally doesn't fucking matter for archers) and fire none, which is pretty widely regarded as the best order for archers going against big armies. maaaybe you can use fire archers to snipe mages if your opponent is dumb and stuffs his mages in his archer block. Fire large monsters is fucking dumb for short-bow archers.
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>>166650254
Yeah, h2h, where undisciplined scarcely matters, Baja's win. If any scripting is involved, like a basic archer pull, they don't.
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>>166650284
>Ignore him, he is not clever. It is ALMOST always worth taking at least a single major bless.
spotted Wind Lord Thug anon
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>>166649928
Ignore him. Blesses are a good strategy for many nations, Lanka included.
t. Multiple Lanka wins
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>>166648969
>shortbow archers matter when people are using high-level magic
>>166650254
And that guy said prot didn't matter. I am surprised that that is the thing that made the biggest difference.
Also worth noting the bakemono army was cheaper too.
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>>166650441
Then you do a fucking test
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Midgard roll off.

1-5, TROW gets it. 6-10, Dom4mods gets it.
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>>166650254
So 6 protection is enough to reliably defend against shortbows? How come militia melted under the bakemono?
>>166650284
>>166650330
>>166650570
Ah, thanks. That's good.

Glad Lanka's badass af too, because that's pretty much the only thing determining what I play right now.
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>>166650693
Ok, I did it.

Atavi archers ignored the 5 heavy indies on the field in range and moved to shoot bakas, the archers on the field.


Bakas targeted the heavy infantry, who retreated to the very rear of the battlefield next to a shielded commander. They ignored the atavi until they routed from being shot.

This is something that has been common knowledge in dominions for more than a decade.
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>>166651147
>Glad Lanka's badass af too, because that's pretty much the only thing determining what I play right now.
Lanka is probably the hardest bless nation to play, mind you. But that's good. Just shitting out Nifl Jarls as a crutch won't help you git gud. Lanka has the bless rush early game + magic training for mid and late.
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>>166651439
Excellent! Crutching is one of the things I'm worried about, especially considering the fact single-player crutching is literally a meme.
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>>166649928
My personal favorite on Lanka is N9E4 Bull awake expansion desu. Supecharges expansion, gives a solid bless - especially for Dakini, and pushes out your Turmoil dom.
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>>166650254
How do you test this? Does dominions 4 has a sandbox mode or something?
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>>166653168
Just set a hotseat game where 2 players are controlled by a human and use debug mod.
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ME eriu

tell me how awful i am and how i can improve it
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>>166653268
You probably want a thug bless, A4 is useless (you already get that), W4 is meh(W2 gets you all the way to W7), and D1 is a travesty (get D5. Or better yet hope for your amazing immortal hero).
basically, its shit. Get N9E4 tree or someshit if you want a generic good god.
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>>166653268
Imprisoned N9E4 tree

All others need to go
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>>166653494
>>166653560
v2 eriu
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How is this for EA C'tis
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>>166642368
1 gold less and 1 res more, for archers, what matters is size and res cost.
You get more atavi archers then bakemono overall
80% [citation needed] of the time you wont be using the dark vision trait
mountain survival is cool for mobility, but forests are also plenty and when you are sneakying it doesnt really matters
Protection might be a plus, but scripting is even better
You could just have pointed out the animal tag, but you brought useless comparisons
And unfortunately I cut off all drugs except for caffeine

Now, all this is useless wordslinging because rarely one will HAVE to chose between either atavi or bakemono
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>>166650254
Told you nigga.
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>>166653874
Every_Eriu_Ever.jpg
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>>166654030
is that a good or bad thing
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>>166651147
Remember that if you buy indy priests they can reanimate skeletons.
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>>166653874
Why prod 3

Get rid of that drain nigga, Eriu has fucking garbage for research
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>>166653876
>>166653746
Am I being memed?
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>>166654124
C'tis fag here, I didn't saw that post. It was a coincidence. I have only played 3 games
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>>166654124
no, im a complete scrub and have no idea what the fuck im doing. hence my pandering for advice
>>166654079
i guess i was under the impression that prod is always important to have. v3.
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yo someone buy this game for me lol sounds interesting
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>>166654069
It's not innovative, but it works. Just play well and you'll do fine
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>>166654482
>play well
h-haha, yeah

still need advice for >>166653746 though
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So. I sent a Scout to the arena because I figured, what the hell, if someone tries to sneak a no-fight prize it might force a battle and tell me their bless. Now I have a Heroic Strength 3-star scout with a Champion's Gladius giving him quickness and 16 attack/20 defence. Is there anything hilarious I can do with him that isn't expensive enough to make it pointless?
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>>166654239
how about you get a fucking job
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>>166654571
EMPOWER HIM!
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>>166654571

Give him a skull mentor so he stays in the Hall of Fame?
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>>166654571
suicide him in a battle you know you will win, bring a better commander together so he can loot the gladius [somebody check if it is pickable pls]
Then you can revive the scout as a mummy
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Turn bully bump

Abysia 2h file received
>Agartha Waiting for 2h file
Arcoscephale 2h file received
Atlantis 2h file received
Caelum 2h file received
Hinnom 2h file received
Kailasa 2h file received
Marverni 2h file received
Niefelheim 2h file received
>Therodos Waiting for 2h file
Ur 2h file received
Vanheim 2h file received
Yomi 2h file received
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>>166605378
Probably because I'm a scrub.
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>>166605378
The only games I've won have been as the same nation in suspiciously similar circumstances so I'm not really sure what to think about that
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>>166662660
What nation and what circumstances ?
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>>166662660
Only game I won as I was Abysia, which is pretty sweet since they are my favorite nation.
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>>166662948
Jotunheim, and it was games where everyone around me was either new or went AI and I never had a serious challenge
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Any new games starting?
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>>166656224
You can't loot the gladius.
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DED
E E
DED
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>>166666474
kinda like that meme attempt
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>>166667297
Only really works with palindromes. Wish I didnt fuck up the spacing.
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Dumb spooks

Abysia 2h file received
Agartha 2h file received
Arcoscephale 2h file received
Atlantis 2h file received
Caelum 2h file received
Hinnom 2h file received
Kailasa 2h file received
Marverni 2h file received
Niefelheim 2h file received
>Therodos Waiting for 2h file
Ur 2h file received
Vanheim 2h file received
Yomi 2h file received
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STOP DOING BLITZ GAMES WHEN I HAVE TO GO PLACES
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>>166622934
The player who asked for a delay to Diplo is playing ur.
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Is the eye shield an MR check for eyeloss?
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>>166622934
t. malakal

>>166631523
t. malakal

>>166667786
t. malakal
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>>166668054
>tfw 1/3 plumber
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>>166668054
Thanks for the update Malakal!
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>>166667951
yesnomaybeitdependstestit
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Anyone else find themselves autistically refreshing the Llamaserver page for games that are close to being able to host?
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>tfw you are about to get booted off standardEA because you forgot your casters sneak in the most crucial battle

at least Maverni goes down with me
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>>166621556
This game made me learn how crucial information trade is in this game. I think I'll get a nation with a scout for all provinces and start doing jewing people information for money.

With that said, I'm not 100% comfortable with the game being brutally competitive. I like to fuck around and try the occasional meme strat in my games.
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>>166669325
People sometimes make stupid meme games for just doing weird strats
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>>166653876
Plis gib advices
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>>166669579
It's actually pretty good for a newbie pretender. As C'tis you want 2 heat though probably since so many of your guys are cold blooded. Also It's easy enough to boost a D7 to a D9 with items, so might as well drop that and get even better scales. I don't think the major death bless is worth it tbqh
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>>166669849
Wait disregard all this, I just realized it's a Devourer. There has to be a more efficient thing to get imprisoned with those stats, in particular with more than 2 item slots.
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>>166653876
Take heat 3 because your everything is cold blooded. D9 is shit, especially on C'tis, so take D7 and more scales. You might be able to get full scales, I think.
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>>166669849
>>166669996
>>166669849
Is this better? I could drop the earth, stay 6 death and get full scales
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>>166670636
Much better.
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>>166670636

That's much improved, but seriously dude. Heat 3.

You'll also probably want higher dominion, since you'll be relying on pushing heat in order to fight. The earth minor is actually useful, as you have a fair few sacred casters, including lizard shamen, who will be your communion slaves.
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>>166672918
DSDS2 is starting soon once Oceania wins
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>>166639801
Not intending on casting shade or anything, honestly. I actually like a lot of the stuff that got posted from the Autistic RP game, like the giant poem intro.

I just enjoy roleplaying and playing Dominions and possibly roleplaying while playing Dominions and wanted to host a game for people with similar interests. It's a 'normal' game in that it has a normal map and game settings (as opposed to ME or unusual research/gold settings etc).

I'm not going to be forcing explicit roleplay requirements and then resetting the game if people don't abide by them. If I wanted to filter the people allowed to play, I wouldn't make an anonymous game. I just hope that the people that are into roleplaying will self-select to join this game and the people that want to name their pretender after memes will join a different game instead.
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http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=EAChineseNewYears

0/10 new games. noob friendly. I'll post a steam thingy
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>>166673683
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussions/0/143388511231865453/
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>>166673683
Btw if the thread limit hits and I don't notice, someone post the links for the new thread because I'm a normie
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What does Ragha recruit other than Zhayedans?

Yes the answer is more Zhayedans but also what else.
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>>166675724

Commanders. For the Zhayedans.
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>>166675808

Cute. But really, though? I'm sitting here looking at their roster and getting some severe "eh" feelings. Do you just go for Turan Heavies and watch them run buffless into things until you finally have enough Blood to summon an army?
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>>166675724
Mages.
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>>166675724
Mages. Flying archers. 10 gold elephants.
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>>166673683
>Plane of Rusty Caves
>Not Plane of Crusty Raves
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is there a way to increase freespawn quality as ma ermor? or i'm stuck with summoning stuff?

how do I spread deadlands?
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>>166678601
Spread deadlands by spreading dom and killing population
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>>166620807
>>166621038
don't want to be rude but is the admin going to do something or..
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>>166678601
>increase freespawn quality
More forts means more commanders and knights.
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>>166678601
Build temples.
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>>166680478
>>166680283
understood

good way to pop kill?
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>>166680535
It happens automatically, just spread your dominion.
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>>166680535
You don't need ways to speed up popkill, you need to slow it down to make money for your forts.
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>>166680729
>you need to slow it down to make money for your forts.
Highly unlikely. Just keep expanding, you don't need to spend gold on anything else unless you get some lucky indie mages which are your absolute number one priority.
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>>166673285
You want me to pick a more approriate name for my pretender? I'm playing Lanka as WhoDoVodoo
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>>166682063
It would be nice if you did, yes.
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Sorry for slow turns; I got home from an all day event (having played my turns in the morning) to discover my windows installation had corrupted and spent 4 hours trying to fix it without reinstalling before leaving it to reinstall while I went to bed

I think I had 2 hours left before hosting on some of my games
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>>166687297
>SkeletonWar Steve
For what purpose?
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what do you think of my memelord
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>>166687625
>dude
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>>166687625
for what purpose

for what nation
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>>166687828
>>166687841
Caelum
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>>166687924
why would you need this shit as dormant? Just use an awake Azi and you'll get both good expansion and all paths needed for national summons.
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>>166687924
Bum rush water provinces with Caelum, never see it coming. Plus good luck all day ev'ry day
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>>166688028
why are you always so fucking hostile?
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>>166688154
I'm not? It's not optimal. Why S5, for example? You can craft a cap and summon amesha spenta with S4.
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>>166688232
Uh, cause Caleum summons are all garbage?
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>>166670636

An awake devourer (d7e4) or earth snake (e5 or e6, depending if you want an extra scale or extra reinvig) will definitely help your expansion. Heat 3 is absolutely what you want. Heat resistance will help with the heat fatigue, cold resistance does not help with cold blooded.

If you wanna do scales, magic 1 is better than luck 1, and you almost definitely don't need production 3. Production 2 is the most you want, and sloth builds are pretty viable if you know exactly how to expand with slaves. Magic will get you horde of skeletons, communion slave, quagmire and all that goodness a lot quicker, and after that troops are sorta useless-ish.

You also only need d5 since you can get up to d7 with a hat and a staff.
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>>166688537
Why would you need S5 otherwise? You can't even craft rings with it, you dummy.
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>>166687625
>those indian tits
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>>166688537
>Caleum summons are all garbage?
Back to your 6 months of SP then.
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>Maerlande will never read bedtime stories to you
Why even live?
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>>166688703
Oh wow, a mid-late game mage with path expansion for 60 pearls, not like any other path has ever done THAT before
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>>166689146
Go win a game, kid.
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>>166688603
to be honst the paths are just sort of an afterthought. the scales are whats important.
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>>166689247
I just don't get why your such FUCKING assholes about it. You act like your the only person who ever won a game. 9/10 chance you cheated anyway
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>>166689398
>9/10 chance you cheated anyway
Heh. Back to the scrub club with you, boy.
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>>166689247
Hi friend I have won several games

60 pearls for a random mage who may or may not expand your magic access is kinda not that great.
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>>166689398
brah, you mad
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>>166689497
It's not great, but it's not, I quote "garbage".
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>believing diplomonsters

I had pangaea locked in cap with all their wc's dead before you idiots decided to blindly believe obvious lies.

Helheim and Nief - Vanheim's about to be down quite a lot of vanhere soon, hint hint. Bless is w9n9, by the way. Earth Meld/Tangle Vines works fine to kill them.
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>>166689716
>tfw it was all according to my keikaku to weaken all my neighbours through """bad""" diplomacy
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>>166689716
>w9n9
How vanilla and boring.
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>>166687625
>dude (f)
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>>166689716
>down a few vanhere soon

You killed 20 because I didn't know you still had that - and what you did there can easily be scripted around somewhat.
You won't be killing any more Vanhere though at all. I know when an army is too big for me to beat, I'm not just gonna toss Vanhere into the meat blender for 0 purpose.

Pity about having your income cut entirely for 2 turns though. Are your ladies leaving you yet?
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uh

uuuh
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>>166690201
>I am strong and must be gang-banged to be defeated
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>>166690285
You gonna get Oni'd
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>>166690063
fortune and good dickings will come to you if you send 1 pound of gold to: Happy Dude, EA Lanka, province 124
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>>166689716
he's omitting the fact that he's getting viking'd down to his cap.

>I had pangaea locked in cap with all their wc's dead

I didn't even have 10.

Of which, six berserking wcs held 150 screaming germans in place while my meme reinforcements of minos arrived. Now I have several times that.

Also can you post van script? I've got a game as vanheim and I wanna compare
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>>166690285
This isn't the worst proposition I've read.
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>>166690392
i don't know whether I should prepare my defensive scripts or start erping
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>>166688703
Caelum mages are okay, but they're fucking expensive for what you get. Buggers can't even thug, let alone pull SC duty, which is something you look for in a summon that expensive.
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>>166688573
>magic 1 is better than luck 1
lol, wut?

what planet are you from?
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>>166689997

It's not ideal but it's not the worst vanhere bless i've ever seen.

>>166690201

If you want to try to defeat the scripting on those meld casters, be my guest. You've certainly damaged me by forcing me to leave Pangaea and losing that income, and there's not much I can do about it due to this map, but I was perfectly willing to forge for your thugs before and now i'm going to do my best to kill you. Doesn't seem ideal even if you've made some gold from it.

>>166689929

If you're pangaea, expanding with minotaurs when you had a double bless (n9e9) is shamefur enough that nothing you can do at this point makes up for it.
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>>166690550
Reminder that snakes tend to meet, breed, and then part ways never to meet again.
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>>166690423
What, my script was extremely basic, I just blessed the vanhere with my prophet and had them run at what I thought was PD thanks to being mislead mostly by Ur. I put them all the way in the front to minimize chances of stray arrows hitting the prophet

If I had known an army with mages was coming, I'd have put them on line formation in the very back to keep them out of spell range - not sure I would have won, but Ulm would have lost at least half the army were that the case.
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>>166690298
This should be written on Nick's profile page.
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>>166690694
>It's not ideal
It's really good for thugs
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>>166690550
Why not both
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>>166690698
>trusting a diplomancer
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>>166690550
>>166690873
Definitely both.
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>>166690423

don't make me go and screenshot the battle reports. You lost 14, and then another turn's, when I thought you didn't have a bless (7?). Cost me about 90 steel maidens to kill those and the 30 minotaur warriors/assorted satyr shit. I look forward to coming back and showing you exactly how ""good"" WC are when they're melded and tangle vined once I remove the elves from Germany.

>>166690698

Check the AP on a steel maiden and on ulmish mages. It's the same. That means attack orders on mages followed by meld still usually means you lose (albeit not as badly). You'll note some of the mages in that battle were running forward behind maidens and not melding - that's why. It's a good trick with any meld/vines tactic against elf sacreds.
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>>166690694
>You've certainly damaged me by forcing me to leave Pangaea

I forced you to leave pangea.

You suicided trying to attack me three times. The first one was against indies I was scouting. I should have known better and blown the whistle right then.
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>>166690818

It is good for thugs (especially with a throne of water), but the earlygame cost in money scales/magic scales is painful as all hell.

>>166691137

Please stop obviously lying. You had nothing at all left after those battles, and I had 150 steel maidens and 8 mages remaining. Endless diplo is okay, but maybe also learn how to actually play too. Hint: If you built WCs from turn 1 and I would not have invaded, it was the minotaur warrior turn-6 first province expansion that prompted me to attack you as they hinted you were shit at the game.
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>>166691313
It's pretty good at making vanhere killier and tankier, while simultaneously makes your thugs very good for a variety of factors, including taking on other thugs / ganking SCs late game. It's a versatile bless that Vanheim gets an affordable chassis for. It's not imaginative or anything - if anything it's bog standard - but that's also because it's pretty close to "ideal" for the nation.
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>>166691523

I've had some good success with w9 only. But I got some good indies with some early kills, and that led to a fast Mass Flight research. If you're crossing the field on foot, n9 does help a lot.

It also really depends on who you're fighting. Stuff like Leech really ruins your thugging day, although one of the huge advantages of Vanheim is getting to pick who you fight via stealth and sailing. It's mainly a matter of preference, I think. But I find the extra magic and money (without a bigger province footprint making you more threatening to others) from taking just w9 is a lot more effective, especially with the right indies.
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So if blesses are so damn good, why do you never post battle reports showing sacreds whooping ass and explaining your strats?
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>>166691313
Oh, I figured you may do that trick - if not the first time, then at least by the second. You're still not gonna kill any vanhere, because you aren't gonna *find* any vanhere to kill until I have better answers - which is soon (ish)
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>>166691313
Hi Ulm, can I buy four shrouds?
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>all this chaos in 4th
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>>166691965

Maybe you could instead leave and find someone else who is easier to kill? I'm not going to clump-walk my army around for you to hide from, and i'm already nearly at my next vanhere counter (hint; it starts with 'Sw' and ends with 'arm'). Just.. leave, and let me kill pangaea, and then we can talk about some kind of peace.
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>>166691313
I don't need to lie. The facts speak for themselves: You failed to take my cap three different times, one not even reaching the capital. I'll not go into the obvious details how it happened because if you claim you could beat me so good, you would have done it.

>You had nothing at all left after those battles

In both battles I beat you with roughly 35 troops give or take, with the help of PD in the first. The second one didn't even have PD, had no wcs at all and you still lost.

The result of the second battle was little less than 20 troops. In two turns I would have recovered the numbers I beat you with, in three I would have attained the lost PD, leaving you at step 1 again. Which of course I prevented by telling everyone you suicided against my cap.

>>166691965
did you just tell Ulm you are gonna leave you vanheres sneaking?

Or did you just lie to ulm saying you are gonna leave your vanheres sneaking?
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>>166692034

I only have S on my god. So i'm not really a shroud-maker, my dude. If you want some stuff to put on whatever you're equipping the shrouds to though, hit me up.
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>>166692457

First battle, I lost some maidens to PD + white centaurs + minos and satyrs. Didn't realize you had a double bless cause you had built no wcs before that (aka you are new). All my commanders retreated, but I won the battle. I moved new troops and commanders in to continue the siege. Next battle against 30 minotaur warriors + remaining WC, plus some more satyrs and shit. You lose all troops, but I retreat. I was about to make attempt 3 when sauro accidentally? sends me a message aimed at you telling me he's going to attack me, and vans arrive on my capital. So I turn that army around (8 meld mages, 150 maidens, well enough to kill the dregs of WC you've managed to recruit from your 3-province empire in the only turn you've been unsieged), and march back home.

I'll download the turns and screencap all this if anyone other than pangaea actually thinks pan isn't full of shit.
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>>166692364
I essentially am going to leave - I'm not going to fight that army without an answer, and until then my Vanhere have better things to do with their lives.

I'll keep some scouts around though - will rely on my own vision rather than trust others again.
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>>166692935
>will rely on my own vision rather than trust others again.

Good. Number one skill to this game is learning to not get diplo'd. If you've learned that, I am less angry at you for getting diplo'd so obviously in the first place. Game is actually a lot more fun as a strategy game than a Diplomacy clone with extra micro.
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>>166690671
>marginal increases in unreliable events
>vs a clear advantage in research, which also unlocks gemgen events
lol, wut?

what planet are you from?
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>>166690671

Please don't mindlessly bleat that luck is the best stat because you have confirmation bias from good luck events.

>>166693240

It depends on nation. I generally will go magic over luck even on big-mage nations, though.
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>>166692035
Meanwhile I'm just chilling in the indian ocean, catching some waves, searching up some sites and selling gems to people.

Feels comfyman
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Is it safe to have a pretender with shallow Astral (2-3) if you don't intend to use it in combat?
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Would someone be so kind as to sell me shrouds? In return have the jpeg of beauty incarnate
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>>166693425
Why would you need shit astral then? All the good out-of-combat stuff is 6+.
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The old Bazaar of Therodos is a sorry sight; though rebuilt and reopened as a grand affair few turned up to see its splendour restored. The superstitious peasants who in olden times would fill the bazaar with hustling and bustling chatter; pushing, shoving and jostling for the best deals now avoid trade; even mere grain that passes through it is despoiled by association in their eyes.

The magical wonders of the Forge Masters is unseen as no orders come in for their craft; the Hekateride and Melia preach to a scattering of faithful, the holy Daktyl weep at their anvils and their Kabeiros students long ago abandoned the magnificent trade to settle for being merely exceptional mundane smiths "greener pastures" was the main reason given, with no respect for mastery of the craft.

Therodos is surely a desolate place but this is a truly saddening sight; a blight on the rebuilding effort and a crushing blow to the new hope that had sparked in the ruins.
send magic item orders plox; have cons4 and every path but death and blood at 2 (death is at 1, no blood forging at all); payment in same gem type or death gems at 1.2x gem cost; will haggle
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>>166693425

Yes. You can even use it in combat if you're fairly sure the enemy doesn't have S mages. A lot of nations don't, and even if they find indies, a scout network should locate them before you commit your god. Some really good items in S crosspaths (crystal shield is baller as fuck) that can be worth grabbing on a rainbow/booster forger god.
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>>166693504
Communion gear for a non-S nation probably
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>>166693608
As a non-astral nation you need to sitesearch for that, which takes a lot of pretender time.

I mean, I get the general idea, I just don't know which nations are even worth something like S3.
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>>166693608

Or one with a path he wants to add to a communion, and cheap communion slaves without that path. E or A can be absolutely worth putting a Master Matrix on a duder for, even one forged by your god.
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>>166693082
Honestly main reason was because I needed to determine my next target using any intel possible - and the first scout province I had I captured from Fomoria.

I lacked the ability to have my own vision. That has fortunately changed now. I can finally fucking see some shit on my own.
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>>166693690

Take a look at EA Ermor. They want Master Matrixes for their guys with W, N, and E to add certain buffs to their armies and Augur communions, but they have no native E/S. Short of empowering a guy, if you're taking a rainbow anyway, splashing into E/S for matrixes is not a bad idea, especially as it grabs you crystal shields and coins at the same time. For nations with s1 but nothing higher, it gives coins, caps, golems, shields, and master matrixes.
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>>166693504
Because I intend to use a monolith pretender and I don't know if I should use my spare points on increasing that base 1S
or taking another point of dominion (6 -> 7)
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>>166690671

In my experience I've preferred shamen (shamans?) as lab rats since they're sacred and cheap and useful and I've preferred getting to the Ench 5-6, Thaum 1 over a slight increase in events that may or may not happen.
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>>166693907
Okay. I'd still rather take something like W9D6 though.
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>>166693746

Recruiting scouts nationally isn't even a bad idea, although hard with a double bless eating all your gold. Overall I wouldn't have targeted ulm anyway - I guess you expected a scrub, but native E access and they want to research Alt? Meld is one of the few things your vanhere are vulnerable to early, and steel maidens have the killyness/multiattacks to take advantage of that. E and N are big problems early, so i'd have gone for someone without those if possible. If not possible, someone with those paths but not good troops (like ur), and like you said, formation tactics to avoid the worst of the melds/vines.
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>>166693938

Take S3 or S4+. The ability to teleport a monolith on top of an enemy army is absolutely priceless. S3 means you can't do it against enemy armies that are scripted to duel (although maybe against S mages - if they have no pearls and aren't expecting the monodrop), S4+ means it takes quite a few s1 duelists to get it. S6 makes it functionally immune to magic duel.

>>166694083

Not a big fan of the Equite bless for EA Ermor. Prefer a troops and mages build with scales and a rainbow to enable more powerful communions. Shitting out augurs and augur elders and flamen is just really strong when you pass a certain point, and surprise gladiators can help against certain rushes in the earlygame.
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>>166691954
Because battles where the bless rush strategy works are pretty much the same. No one bothers to screencap and post unremarkable things.
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>>166692836
> You lose all troops, but I retreat. I

lies. Can't remember the exact number but I lost roughly half of 41 troops. Survivors being 2/3rds of my mino meme troops. You lost 58 out of 82. can't check the results because I graciously omitted my losses in the screencap I posted.

If you claim you had 150 on reserve, which I have no reason to believe, and you didn't bring them in in one swoop, then it's entirely your fault for not knowing how do proper logistics.

Either way, the ultimate conclusion is: you got self-diplo'd by an anonymous poster that got upset I used minos in year 0, paid for it dearly as I not only beat you back but recklessly shouted what happened to the four winds.

Let's add insult to injury: I didn't even play seriously. I designed a meme pretender entirely based on the idea of a female rance, and only now I'm thinking what I should do because I've been convinced by someone else that it would be fun.

Only reason I didn't have three times as many minos is because I accidental bumped into sauro and I won with almost no troops left. If 20something minos rekt your shitty assault, three times that number would have fucked your shit up.

Furthermore, 3 province empire? Are you roleplaying or went as low as to throw petty insults & lies?

Really, people getting angry on this game, in this general, is the most retarded shit. If there's a fifth turning, I'll sub just to double on the memes.

>>166693082
mate you are believing what an enemy player says. stop talking about diplo because you clearly suck at it,.

>>166693481
I gotta talk to you on steam.
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>>166694472
Thanks m8. I'll do S3 then
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>>166694717
>If you claim you had 150 on reserve, which I have no reason to believe

>>166689716

>I'm not really trying
>I had bad luck
>I'm actually secretly winning!

You managed to accidentally fool me into thinking you didn't have a bless, and then I lost some troops due to that (and then to lucky rolls on the part of your centaurs).

Your continuous shit-talking doesn't actually mean much if you don't play properly. Learn to do that. If you have a e9n9 bless, expand with wc. Read some guides, do some practice expansions, etc. You won't always be as lucky as you have been in this position and frankly you aren't even in a good spot, with a microempire, a bad bless, and other nations owning parts of your cap ring (Arco and Ulm). If i'd been more diplomatically active, you'd be cap-sieged and nearly dead right now. I mean, if you know all this, that's fine. But i'm not sure if you're believing your own bullshit rn.

As for 'believing what another player says', what i'm doing is scripting meld-supported attacks against the known vanhere positions i've seen (as well as any sailing in). What i'll do in future is likewise taking any words said in this thread (including your laughable assertions) with a massive grain of salt. Like I said - your diplo will not carry you in this game. You need to learn how to actually play, as well.
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>Fourth Turning Pan and Arco find each other in steam chat
>Everything gets really gay really fast
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>>166694830
>incapable of expressing love
APOLOGIZE
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>>166695919
It's boy lovers and fuck-everything: the nation

The arcos are happy to let all of their women turn into maenads and the centaur are willing to forgive arco's consensuality perversion and fuck their men.
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If Pan survives fourthturning from that position due to just continuous diplo, i'll laugh. Fuckin' domg.
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>>166695706
I'm just telling you the facts mate. don't put words in my mouth. There was a miscommunication that costed me dearly and even then beat you back.

I don't need to win to have fun here. I'm being taught the finer details of diplo, which turns out to be exceedingly fun.

You are trying to defame me while pretending you didn't get your shit pushed in. There's nothing you can defame me with because I didn't deny anything in the first place. I said it was the first time with Pan as soon as I got called out with the minos.

actually, you attacked me on turn 11. You say you had 300 steel maidens and could afford to release 8 mages from the labs to attack me? I call bullshit.
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>>166696221
Didn't work for me though to be honest I more or less gave up after a while.
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>>166697260

10 wounded minotaurs, one god, 1 white centaur, 5 dryads survived the last battle. Nothing was recruited that turn as the fort was under siege, so it'd be that army + PD vs 80 steel maidens and 3 meld capable mages. Within one turns' march (over the mountain connection), were 5 more mages and another 70 maidens. Up to me if I wanted to give you another turn to recruit in exchange for getting those.

Those are damn good odds. You're full of shit. :D
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>>166699279
I'm curious about who you are now
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Who is gonna living long enough to dying to bats?
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>>166699279
>>166699745
Is it just me, or is this art style ugly as fuck?
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>>166700271
It's hard as hell to properly see anything from a distance I'll give you that.
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>>166700271
It's okay. It's just really bright and the details are hard to make out zoomed out.
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>>166699745
The fuck is Ur doing way over there?
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>>166700473
Ask Pan
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>>166693481
I still want shrouds
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>>166701057
How can Arco not forge shrouds?
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>>166701510
saved
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>>166701510
schrodingers elves are just as bad
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How much force is needed to remove troglodytes from a province? They showed up in my capring early game on a map that's full of tough indies and are being a giant pain in my ass.
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>>166701838
Not really. You can count on elves to become more and more irrelevant as the game goes on.

Bats just get stronger and stronger.
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>>166701154
I don't have construction 4
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>>166703578
l-lewd
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>>166700271

All the 'hugemap' maps are ugly af, and poorly designed af. It's almost like the good mapmakers know bigmaps are a bad idea and nope out of the design process at the 'should I make a bigmap' stage.
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>>166704251
Having a good, or at least less shit, bigmap would be super cool though.
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>>166701952

IT DEPENDS

Troglodytes are tramplers with good melee attacks too. Agartha can recruit them, so start a debug game with your nation + agartha, and test a few strats against them. Will need your research level and nation to really comment much.
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>>166704741
MA C'tis. Early research. About to hit 3 enchantment for that spooky-power. I've been thinking I could send my expansion force in backed up by marshmasters who will summon skellingtons to take the initial trampling hits and bog them down long enough for the real infantry to kill them.
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>>166704251
How big do you have to be to be huge?

I suppose I might make a big one after my current, though since I've been working on it since Dom 4 came out, it'll probably be a while.
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>>166705210
Archaea honestly has too few provinces if anything for a 30 player map - except water provinces, there's too many of those.
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>>166705054

I don't think that few skeletons are going to do much.

However, Sobek Sacred Guard might. They are size-4 (like trogs, meaning they can't be trampled) and have decent stats compared to trogs. However they still might get wrecked by str23 double claw attacks, so i'd support them by having them hit the trogs head-on and other troops/skeletons hit the trogs' flanks. Alternatively, you could simply use some suicide troops/skeletons + poison slingers. Poison them up, then have the marshmasters retreat, causing the slingers to retreat. Send real infantry as well, with the job of just dying to give the poison slingers time. Trogs don't regenerate, although they have a lot of hp, so you'll want to lather the poison on thickly.

Empoisoners could theoretically poison the enemy troglodyte leaders enough that even if they kill the empoisoner, they'll die of poison afterwards. Gearing one with cat's charm, random weapons etc to give him huge Defense so he can stab the trog to death would also work. Once the leader trogs are dead, the rest will flee in a battle.
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>>166705210

Enough provinces for all the nations in an age is I think where 'hugemaps' start.
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>>166706609
I thought of assassination as well. The trouble is that these bastards showed up in my capring VERY early on. The enchantment research is all I have. My options are very limited. Gold is tight as hell too. I think this stands a very good chance of costing me the game even though we aren't even 10 turns in.
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>>166668972
If I don't attack you, do you think you can survive?
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>>166668972
still alive and kick'n :^)
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>>166707040

Are they literally between you and every other province? Ignore them until expansion is done. Then kill them.
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>>166623413
>http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=RoleplayingIsFun
Is there even a viable way to play EA Abysia? I have a plan in mind, but the nation looks pretty... terrible. Even with summod. Is the plan to only recruit Warlocks and blood hunt up to horrors? Not even Nicknight can win with just F4 cap onlys.
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>>166709460

I just play them like MA Aby with worse warlocks and better elite troops. B7F1E4D1.
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>>166709740
Thanks Rejakor
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>>166709460
Without summod they're trash - unless the game only has like 6 people in which case you can just roll double bless and faceroll the opposition before counters come online.

Summod vitally gives their F3 mages a semi-reliable random - and most importantly a 12.5% chance for D1. This enables Abysia to actually lead their fucking demons.
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I set Therodos AI as he staled four turns in a row.
We should have faster turns now.
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>>166709997
I almost just want to do my meme strat with Xib, but everyone will probably hate me out, and the temptation is there to just do the strat but with hundreds of bats. Also, why doesn't summod just make kitties undiscipled? That seems to be a reasonable nerf until alt 9 comes online.
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>>166709390
Not every other province, but they're going to be depriving me of much needed gold and resources for a while. It'll take me much longer to build strength thanks to this.

Also new thread when?
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I'm aware that Imgur.com will stop allowing adult images since 15th of May. I'm taking actions to backup as much data as possible.
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