/civ4xg/ - Civilization, Stellaris, Endless and 4X Games General

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is it just me or do these games always have a tipping point where no enemy faction can challenge you and you are suppose to spend 3 hours painting the map and researching the final objective

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>>166173558
Major ES/EL sale on steam for those interested.

http://store.steampowered.com/sub/149432/
http://endless-day.com/

>>166173667
Generally yeah.

In civ5 you can have games on deity depending on map settings where you just got one victory type a few turns before the AI did.

>>166173763
is it true you can brute force the Horizon Signal event to trigger? I never managed it.

>>166173893
I don't know, haven't played since 1.2.

Saw some people claim to do so 2-3 threads ago.

>>166173763
We need Arthropoid, Avian, Fungoid, and Plantoid then to complete to serious.

Does anyone know what those species types turn into?

>>166173893
You absolutely can. Once you survey a black whole, just have your science ship fly back and forth between it and the nearest system.

Eventually the event will trigger.

>>166174036
Series, not serious.

Sorry.

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And now, this fortress belongs to me now.

They really need to fix the 'bash up their vassal/puppet state to take the overlord's stuff' part of the war mechanic, because that was what I did to take everything the Bastion of Ikaanan had without fighting them directly.

I even get to take over as the overlord of the former FE's puppet state, the Ikaanan Enclave, for free.

I fucking love the Exterminatus mod for Stellaris.

Virus bombing an empire's worlds never gets old.

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>>166173854
>be civ 5
>have diplomatic and domination turned on
>never had diplomatic victory turned on before
>amassing wealth, nukes, and death robots in the late game
>only 2 civs are around my technology level, the rest are still playing in WW2 or less
>notice that Germany has a shitton of votes for world leader
>didn't realize they got additional votes if they were in the top few
>they're close to winning
>nuked their cities out of existence and captured their capital before they won
>I had complete kills turned on
>mfw I couldn't find the last nuclear sub hiding under the ice before they became world leader

>>166173763
>not capping my replies

>>166174426
The one where you told me to shut the fuck up?

>>166175039
Yes :)

Wait wtf can the scourge return again ? Or is it a bug, I had it come second time after I defeated them.

>>166175090
I didn't make the cap, but I am curious -- why'd you react that way?

An anon asked a question and I tried to answer.

What was there to get upset about?

>>166175264
I didn't see the original question and thought you were just posting nonsense. I wasn't upset; it was just a little banter.

>>166175605
Oh, okay.

No harm done, then.

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>>166175719
I'm glad we're still friends, anon.

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>>166175840
Me too, anon.

>>166173763
If the race changes bother you all so much, why no just open up the save game and change the icon set back to the original one?

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If only there was a mod that can allow non-Unbidden species ships to use that kind of way of constructing things, so that I can pretend that my psionic people are literally wishing things into existance with the power of the mind.

Maybe in Banks?

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>tfw you can now get Vodyani pop as non-Vodyani
All you have to do is win the ground battle part, not attacking the Ark itself in a space battle.

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>>166173763
I'll be disappointed no matter what arthropoids turn out to be, because the species that looks most like dimensional horrors is separate DLC.

>>166177329
>Ascending turns you into an endgame crisis
Noice.

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Now THIS is a real Leviathan.

Suffice to say, this gigantic thing that turns a battle into a light show ate up my entire fleet without a single scratch on its shields.

Found an 25 tiles planet next to my home-world with one negative and one positive trait respectively -25 minerals and + 10 minerals... paradox why?

>>166178280
>paradox why?
They want to make it abundantly clear that they don't respect you. Personally.

>>166177990
Ffs anon use tiny outliner and tiny planets.

>>166173664

bravo

>>166178620
better late than never

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>>166177990
I love how its power level is simply skull ...
What a cool and efficient way of saying "lube up, im going in" :]

>>166178843
This thing was added in by a mod I believe which at some stage spawns three anomalies that go into the situation list, and this one is pretty damn powerful. In terms of technology I'm pretty much up to the top of 'vanilla' technology, using Egnimatic stuff. But looking at how my ships went pop, it seems to ignore shields completely and ignores most if not all of armour as well.

And so indeed, without mods that give you stronger modules and better ships, I'm not sure how you're supposed to deal with this thing (if at all). My fleet dealt at least 100k kinetic damage to it by the time they all died, but I never saw its shields dip down a tiny tick at all. It really deserves the 'skull' level strength.

>>166173558
Worth it jumping into Endless Space 2? Been playing EL alot, have ES but not tried it.

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>Updated Metaverse to support all 6 factions (must own additional factions through 8-Bit Hordes and 8-Bit Armies
YES! YES!

Can I do ancap in space?

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>>166179291
I love shit like that in games.
Its one of the few great things about Stellaris - endgame crisises, War in Heavens etc, Some enormous end game threats that even end game empire will have trouble against always make my dick hard.

>>166180159
Individualist+Materialist I guess.

Fanatic Materailist or add Xenophobe/Xenophile or Pacifist/Militarist.

Megacorp gov.

Use only private colonist ships.

Put everything into sectors with 0 tax.

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>>166180439
>Put everything into sectors with 0 tax.
>empire collapses

>>166180534
Welcome to ANCAP.

hm, would it be violating the NAP to set sectors to research focus?

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>asteroid sighted coming for ours Mars colony sir !!!
>oh nevermind, it went through the field of fire of three ODIN class OWP's with 2.4K firepower each, all its left is some minerals to salvage

Muahahahahaha, dont fuck with UNSC son.

>tried Planetary Annihilation
>lost
The planets are just shit too big, I don't have enough units to defend myself, let alone attack.
>ranged units are useless because of the planet's curve
Fuck you.

So, ship design.
With projectile weapons, do I generally want few large guns or many small guns?

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>>166180439
Well usually as a rule of thumb you put developed planets into sectors and since they're developed you tax them the max possible 75%

I'm playing synth empire and uga bungas from primitive reservation asked to join my empire... sure why not .. problem now is that they're a problem. Should I birth control them until I had over -30% ethic divergence? That is my energy planet so I have no reason to enslave them.

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>>166173667
It's inherent in the system. Total War tried to solve it with the bullshit realm divide/crises but it isn't satisfying.

>>166179738
Cross-play?

>>166181702
>Well usually as a rule of thumb you put developed planets into sectors and since they're developed you tax them the max possible 75%
Talking about how to roleplay ancaps.

So no stealing 75% of their stuff.


Why didn't you make that into a research world?
That's what stone age primitives are for.
The powerful adjacent society research bonuses from reservations.

>>166181961
It's a world rich in energy tiles and has 20% energy bonus, fuck research.

I have a mod that makes homeworlds into special genesis worlds which gives 30% research bonus so I'm going to purge some primitives or steal one from another empire and make it my research center.

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>mfw adding WH40K worlds mod to my Stellaris collection
>mfw turning Mars into Forge world, Venus into Hive and Titan into Fortress

Lube up Xenos, im coming for you !!

>>166181945
Yes. You can finally have undead invading the multiverse to protect it from the evil cranoids!

Well, the game is still too simple to be really fulfilling, but I like messing around like that.

>>166182032
>It's a world rich in energy tiles and has 20% energy bonus, fuck research.
It's not that big of a bonus compared to the insane society bonus you get from stone age primitives.

>>166182135
Well I picked the option which doesn't generate tiles with society bonus anyway.

And how doesn't it compare ?

30% bonus + 20% synth bonus + 5% materialist bonus that's 55% bonus society on a planet that researches all techs equally.

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>>166182042
My superior technology is ready, Gue'la.

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Prepare your legs, thighs, and breasts avian races.

>>166182786
10/10

>>166182225
>30% bonus + 20% synth bonus + 5% materialist bonus that's 55% bonus society on a planet that researches all techs equally.

That's your homeworlds research vs the potential research.
And I'm not sure it would compare there either because of existing percentage on a higher base yield.

What you should be comparing is the research potential of a stone age primitive world and the energy potential of that same world.

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>>166182352
>xenoshits
>superior technology

Keep being deluded filthy animal.

>>166182786
>avian race have the "repugnant" trait
>can't turn them into livestock

Are ground troops even worth it? Occupying planets with a single corvette as you fly around crushing fleets and stations works good until warscore starts getting retarded

>>166182961
>avian race has the charming trait
>people want them as pets, not food

>>166183047
>>166182961
>no matter what trait it has
>someone will still pay for the right to shag it

>>166183086
>everyone is Jack Harkness

>>166182835
I've just researched an edict that gives robots 20% resources bonus now the whole planet produces energy on top of that it has the planet 20% bonus + lots of tiles with high energy value, I see nothing wrong here.

Probably eventually I'll research the planetary edict for even more energy.

>>166183029
Rush to crush their fleets, then split your fleets equally and break down their fortifications on all planets.

You can from there use you single 9 - 12 army or preferably have at least 3 assault armies with again at least 9 or 12 units.

This is how you win wars fast and efficiently.

You'll see the warscore approach 100% in no time.

You should also mod the game the lower the 10 years truce to 5 years, because it's an artificial nonsensical game setting to make the game artificially longer.

You can edit the lua defines and just change a number for the same result.

Installation folder\common\defines\00_defines.lua

search for TRUCE_YEARS and change the value from 10 to 3 or 5 depending on how you like it, I have it do 3.

If you want to make it feel balanced start with 5 then late game lower it to 3, or play with 3 all along.

>>166183329
>I've just researched an edict that gives robots 20% resources bonus

Which edict?

Could've you have used it on another world dedicated to energy?
If so it's an irrelevant point.

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So splicing Vodyani dust genes gives +1 FIDS.

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>>166184085
This is true beauty, but it comes at a cost.

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>>166184152
The cost being really damn hungry all the time.

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>>166183086
HFY Rapetrain copypasta incoming ...

Is Homeworld 1+2 classic + remastered worth 6$ if you already own stellaris?

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>>166184316
>amazing visuals
>great multiplayer
>absolute shit single with really great lore, art design and interesting story

Decide for yourself.

>>166184085
How is Endless Space 2 shaping up? I liked the first one, but combat was atrocious.

>>166184316
They are different kind of games. They are good even if Homeworld 2 got fucked by publisher medling.

>>166184316
Homeworld and Stellaris are vastly different.
Homeworld barely has any ressources, it's all about what you can capture while minimizing your losses.

>>166181858
It wasn't big enough.
There should have been multiple ideologies and when one of them steamrolls too much everyone of that ideology unites behind the leader or takes massive penalties.

>>166184402
They managed to make the combat even worse and listen to the screeching autists who demand them to remake systems that are good and turn them into shit.

>>166183937
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Sorry I need to correct it - it's an empire wide modified robots get + 20% resource output.

Probably from one of these two awesome mods I'm using:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=819758794

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=804732593

Ethos Unique - Cross Ethos Technologies
Ethos Unique Techs and Buildings

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>>166184402
I like how it is changing, though options are hampered a bit with the tech system being 2/3rds done.

They improved the scan view setting so it actually looks like a scan view instead of an overlay.

Being able to put drag and drop ships into one of three flotillas is nice.

The background music in Stellaris is comfy

>>166185063
I sometimes fall asleep to it, while I leave the game on pause.

>>166185063
You are comfy anon :)

Have you been listening to the background music of ES2 ?

>>166185063
I actually have no idea what vanilla stellaris music sounds like because my mods replaced the soundtrack.

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The AI in this game is suprisingly good for 4x standards, it's basically MOO2 with WAY higher production values and shitty non-turn based combat.
Gonna try extreme, wish me luck lads.

How do you get Stellaris AI to actually do something? I always zoom past everyone after 150 years no matter how I play. The AI barely never makes fleets larger than 15k which also makes endgame crisis bothersome because I am the only one able to respond to them.

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Silly, silly raiders...

This system is MINE, you are not welcome here !

>>166186350
Ren Ota just needs more money for them programs

>>166172859
>can we discuss city builders in 4x general

how old are you? I find underage newfags who just woke up from their ipad addiction have the most difficulty telling traditional genres apart

>>166184645
Isn't it just the Share the Burden Edict?

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>>166186445
Too late, he got his ass pounded harder than 18yo girl on her first gangbang.

>tfw fucker managed to scratch my paintjob before my MAC's turned hum to dust and light

Its going to be a bitch to clean up...

>>166186589
I hope you have a good story for the intergalactic news otherwise you'll be drowned in controversy

>>166186480
Nah I've checked it's from the mod: Cross Ethos Technologies

It's because I'm both collectivist and materialist it was unlocked.

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>>166184385
>homeworld
>shit singleplayer

>remastered
>great multiplayer

kill yourself multiple times my nigger

Is ES2 fun yet if I did like ES1 combat? (full autoresolve is too little control but fuck manual tactical combat, I just want to give extremely broad orders and read results)

>>166186670
>implying people of UNSC care about some raider scum

Anon, we are militaristic, individualist and materialist - we eat raiders for breakfast.

>>166186726
Homeworld singleplayer is complete shit. Great Lore, missions, art design but that atrocious cheating AI makes it pointless.
#dealwithit

>>166186815
>we are militaristic, individualist and materialist
But what about the rest of the galaxy? They will find out that you killed Ren Ota just for trying to collect money so that he could give his son a proper education

>>166186760
Yes. Can't quite remember how fast fleet sizes grew in ES1, but currently but currently it can go to something like 24+ CP. You can control which in-battle flotilla each ship goes into, but 1 always has to be in the middle.

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>>166186882
>But what about the rest of the galaxy?
I dont give a fuuuck about rest of the galaxy and their opinions - i have MAC cannons, almost 10 colonies in Sol system and people who are willing to defend their freedoms to the last round.

>tfw i have to be missing some kind of joke about thatn Ren guy

>>166187037
>and people who are willing to defend their freedoms to the last round.
And yet they won't defend the freedoms of the poor and the hungry

>>166187406
>the poor and the hungry
Poor and hungry can work for their meals, im open to any man willing to do his/her share.
But those raiding scum wont get one dime from me.

>>166187571
Ren Ota and his friends were only going from door to door looking for work. You shot defenceless people down!

>>166187732
Fuck him and his "defenseless" people.

>>166188020
So you're saying that you're willing to oppress and subdue the poor and helpless?

>>166186815
it's the best singleplayer of any RTS ever made, from a gameplay perspective, that's it

kys

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YES ! 25 years after the start of the game, my scientists will develop FTL capabilities !

>>166188334
>best singleplayer of any RTS ever made
>computer literally cheats so much that any attempt of strategy flies out of the window in favour of meta game cheese titled " what do i have to scrap to make that mission possible to finish"

Nah bro, u kys.

>>166188590
homeworld is about tactics, and I don't know what you count as cheating, the adaptive difficulty? that's """""""cheating""""""" to your addled mind?

>>166188590
Klaus is leading the project so that he can avenge his kinsman. You were warned, anon

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>>166188590
>Hyperspace

My condolences.

>>166188590
switsh klaus and yuan

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>>166188828
>My condolences.
Not that bad. I already have one colony established by the STL expedition that has a hyperlane and its always faster than STL travel.

>>166188716
I dont get it.

>>166188704
>Ai literally spawning fleet that are always bigger than yours and the direct counter to them, ignores unit limits etc.
>""""""""""adaptive difficulty""""""""""

Cool story bro.
Its a great game dont take me wrong but single player is complete trash.

>>166184385
>>166186726

Homeworld
>Good single player campaign
>Mechanics made specifically for the game to make it easier and more enjoyable to play
>Broken as fuck multiplayer lol battleballs
>Okay, if dated visuals
>Shit UI

Remastered
>Broken single player campaign becasue:
>Mechanics adapted from a totally different game which just flat do not work properly shoe-horned into something else, along with balancing taken from the donor game which renders frigates and destroyers essentially useless, which makes the game as a whole a complete chore to play
>Okay multiplayer
>Amazing visuals
>Cool and good UI

Remastered will be amazing if you never played the original.
All I wanted out if it was a decent UI and pretty new models, everything else was already perfect.
salt.txt

>>166188979
>I dont get it.
Look at the image with Ren Ota then look at the image with Klaus

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Should I turn my materialist efficient Synthethic empire into religious fanatics that convert the galaxy with maximum efficiency? Damn this is tempting.

I would just purge the pops from other planets and rebuild new ones as fanatical religious - it's easy with synths.

>>166188979
Engineering = Voidcraft
Klaus = Voidcraft Specialist

Yuan = Genius

Switch them and you get +10% on your physics research to no detriment.

>>166189037
>Ren and Klaus
>both black

ITS FUCKING NAZIS AND IMP JAPS IN SPACE !!
We Allies now. Gotta sack that double agent...

>>166189009
>>Broken single player campaign becasue:
Same can be said about original.
Both Remaster and original have that cheating AI so both single campaings are trash.

>>166189182
I know know.

>>166189237
>cheating AI
You're literally making up problems, single campaign is scripted deal with it, if you can't balance your fleet better and AI rape you with counter fleets it's not my fucking problem mate.

>>166189237
>Gotta sack that double agent...
It's too late now. They have already rooted themselves deep in your society and soon they will claw their way to justice for Ren Ota

>>166189109
What I've done I backed up the save, so when I feel like playing spiritualist empire, just going to continue from where I left there, for now I've sold the religious texts for energy credits.

>>166185943
Which game is this?

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Anyone tried Montezuma in Civ VI yet? Didn't he just get released as a free character the other day?

>>166189009
HW2 classic multiplayer was the bees knees though

that fucking hw1/2 mashup with no unit limits and completely mangled balance, complete fucking disaster

hw2 balance was sublime

seriously, I know the graphics look appealing, but just forget all about remastered, classic is the only way

>>166189237
shut the fuck up

>>166189897
Played him a bit back in november.
I was killing a lot of brazilians with eagle warriors to get workers.

>>166190076
Yeah his ability was to build districts faster with them, so you could get your shit made pretty quick.

How about Poland?

>>166189756
MoO

>>166190393
Shut up, cow. What game is it?

>>166190427
I think he's right, that looks like Master of Orion.

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>>166189504
>AI will always have bigger and better fleet than you no matter how good of a player and strategist you are
>only way to win is to cheese the AI, meta play and use every bug, exploit and Ai quirk possible
>this is good strategy game according to that guy

You are so fucking stupid its painful to read.

>>166189734
Gotta rev up those firing squads then.
[purging intensfies]

>>166190427
pretty rude

>>166190589
>game is about a bunch of exiled who are vastly outnumbered and lack ressources, technology, support, everything
>"OWAHHEY HOW DARE THAT GAME SET ME UP AGAINST A STRONGER AI"

>>166190589
No matter how much blood you shed, the legacy of Ren Ota will linger on
Good luck, anon

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>>166190743
>>game is about a bunch of exiled who are vastly outnumbered and lack ressources, technology, support, everything
>so instead of minimizing damage and capturing and salvaging as many ships as they can, players have to resort to all kinds of meta gaming to enusre that game wont become impossible to play due to the Ai literally taking ships out of their ass to always have them more than player

What a great fucking concept.

>>166190758
Not if i kill every black and jap in my empire.
[Internal Fuhrer intensifies]

>>166190589
>only way to win is to cheese the AI, meta play and use every bug, exploit and Ai quirk possible
>only way
This is where you are wrong mate, don't project your own inferiority on others, most of campaign missions are easy as fuck to point you can force your way through most of them.

>>166191061
>is shit at a game
>"WAAA THAT GAME IS SO DUMB"
Okay, lad.

>>166191061
That will not erase his legacy. He would simply become an icon of the first great purge

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>>166185943
do the starlanes not fuck it up kinda?

it looks more like civ 5 in space than moo2

>>166191382
>>166191626
Samefaaaaaaag.

>>166191626
Why make that big WEBM's when they wont fit the screen if you dont open them?

>>166191164
Using normal strategy does not work because assembling any overwhelming force will just make the AI get even larger fleet.
You have to be fucking dumb as a brick to deny that.

>>166191187
>>is shit at a game
Keep projecting mate.

>>166191221
But he will still be dead as will be his followers. Its a win regardless.

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>>166191835
what

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How the fuck do i colonize something in Stellaris with robots only ?
Or am i forced to always have at least one human PoP on even the most hostile planet ?

>>166191959
1440x1080 is stupid big for things like that.

>>166192032
Need droids.

http://www.stellariswiki.com/Population#Robots

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>>166192162
Thank you, kind anon.

>how the fuck did i missed that ?

>>166184650
How is combat?
Heard that it sucks

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>>166192162
BTW : is there some mod for 1.4.1 that randomizes the neighbouring stars more when starting at Earth ?
Im sooo fucking sick of Alpha Centauri with one good colonizable planet and Barnard Star ...

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>>166192596
Aside all the pre-battle things like choosing a battle play via a card system and setting up what ships go where, you can watch it play out or skip the fight. Both get you the same result.

So watch the big cinematic battles and skip all the scout cleanups.

>>166192914
Is that Endless Space or Magic The Gathering?

>>166191838
you're not supposed to assemble an overwhelming force, it's a game of tactics

git gud @ micro and unit comps and shit like that

it's not a spam game, that's why it's great, you can't spam, you have to git gud

Should I grab the Endless Grand Master Collection while it's cheap? Don't know if the expansions or the game itself is good.

>>166194684
https://youtu.be/6VdQ6oMzV2U?t=22

>>166176482
How do you do that?

>>166192723
Go to game folder
\common\solar_system_initializers\prescripted_species_systems.txt

Edit Sol system and remove the


neighbor_system = {
distance = { min = 10 max = @distance }
initializer = "sol_neighbor_t1"
}
neighbor_system = {
distance = { min = 10 max = @distance }
initializer = "sol_neighbor_t1_first_colony"
}
}

and the rest of the code for initializes.

Thing is only the two colonies you'll have every game the rest of stars around Sol and randomly generated.

>>166177585
This, what a shame.

And the other one that works is from pre-ordering!

>>166195224
Already did that. Thanks anyway.

Do you miss a lot by playing Endless Legend without the DLCs?

>>166195309
Yes

Get the whole collection.
It's on sale.

OR get into a multiplayer game with someone who has all the expansions, then you can see the difference.

>>166195619
Do people still play multiplayer?

Stars in Shadow is bretty gud desu

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Instead of playing this fucking game, im sitting here and modding it to hell and back ..

>those WH40K worlds are fucking OP as fuck - finish planetary facility and world changes to 100 habitability and clears all the blockers - only downside is that they are expensive as fuck and take couple of years to build

>>166197146
No but we could organize some games ourselves.
I'm sure we could get a good laugh out of calling each other faggots.
There'd have to be rules like no custom factions and shit, but we could probably get something together.

>>166189967
>classic is the only way
Wisdom.
I miss frigates being actually useful.

I still like Cataclysm though. It's hella fun to play through.

Trying stellaris on hard for the first time and it's retarded empires with low energy income small fleet capacity and few colonies have fleets more powerful than me and they keep building on top of them more and more and more wtf is this.

Basically it just makes Ai cheat.

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hey, can someone explain to me what the fuck this option means? It's confusing me.

>>166201425
That you don't give a fuck and let it happen.

>>166194201
Why should tactics always be more important than your strategy?
4x is not about battle, it's about building a strong empire. War is just a way to compete in production.

>>166201425
Place 4,2 on planetary grid will get +4 minerals and and entire planet will get -5 %happines for next 1 year.

>be in 3-way federation
>members have 19 planets in all or thereabout
>Federation Victory progress bar sez: you have 0 planets out of 54 needed
What gives?

ES2 question, how do I remove/capture outposts? Can't invade because it's not enemy system yet, can't drop my outpost because it's the only planet.

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>>166177664
That makes sense, the Ascensions they showed we're psionics (unbidden) the flesh is weak (ai uprising) and evolution control (scourge)

>>166203006
Yea but you can be a fanatical spiritualist synth or a peaceful scourge machine that terraforms planets then gives them away to other civs or guardian of the galaxy unbidden.

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>>166203006
>tfw no Purity ascension

>>166203859
Purity ascension would only give you extra trait points so you could modify your species more than the others. It would be neat if you could gain stuff like tomb world habitability or other rare stuff

>TFW you can't be spiritualist and materialist.
>TFW you can't have an enlightenment.

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>starting in 4 arm spiral galaxy
>start on the ass end of the arm with only few planets im my proximity

Kill me now.

Good thing i use so OP mods..

>2017
>can't find the latest version of civ 6 on torrents, only the release one
am i retarded?

>>166205453
No one torrents this shit obviously.

>>166205453
No, the game is that shitty.

>>166205986
>>166206047
surely it can't be that bad
release was kinda okay up until medieval ages for a civbabby like me
What's the coolest 4x game now?

>>166204008
I'd like to see something along the lines of maybe cheap terraforming to your ideal planet type or the ability to build giant vessels or mech armies to make up for the fact your people aren't genetically engineered supermen/mind-uploaded infomorphs/psychic ubermensch.

>>166206212
>What's the coolest 4x game now?
Stellaris, Aurora and DW - 4x space games are pretty stagnant.

As for non space - i have no idea, i dont play them.

>>166207024
no love for nu MoO?
after the first exp actually plays well, more fun than ES1

>>166204383
starting postion doesnt matter as much number of neighbours

IMPERIUM GALACTICA II: ALLIANCES is on GoG.

Yay or nay?

>>166173667
There's nothing you can do about that unless you add "endgame threats" which obviously don't make sense in historical games unless you pull some shit like "2100: Japan has successfully made anime real now you have to fight against Goku".

>>166207890
Go for it

>>166205453

Here's what I'm doing to get the latest version.

Download FitGirl's repack here: http://fitgirl-repacks.site/sid-meiers-civilization-6-v1-0-0-38-aztec-civilization-pack/

Download update here to get her repack to v 1.0.0.56:

http://cs.rin.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1359847#p1359847

>>166185943
> it's basically MOO2 with WAY higher
production values and shitty non-turn based combat
CONS
no government types
shittier more streamlined tech tree
shittier tactical combat
shittier ship designer
no freighters, so you cant export/import food between systems
star lanes, generally shitty map generation

PROS
good graphics, its actually quite pretty
can convert all planet types even toxic
can build mining and research outposts
decent AI, and decent diplomacy

generally its updated moo2 thats slightly more casual

>>166207575

For me I see no reason to play nuMOO over Stellaris. Stellaris offers so much more, such as the narrative. The only reason I'd play nuMOO is for the graphics, and that gets old after awhile.

It's one reason I haven't even tried to play Stars in Shadow, because I'm willing to bet it's an inferior version of nuMOO which in turn is worse than Stellaris.

I remember Polaris Sector was pretty good from what little I played. I kinda want to check out Stellar Monarch, but am playing other things atm.

>>166207890
Imperium Galactica 2 is a bit flawed, never finished a game. Only 7$ so might be worth it.

What I would recommend:
Star Control 2 is only 1.50$. Not a 4x though.

I'm a fan of Fallen Enchantress (ultimate edition) and Sorcerer King (rivals) since they're rpg+4x but you would probably be better to get endless legend and all the DLC on steam.

I love Offworld Trading company but GOG doesn't seem to be selling the DLC.

>>166209080
>polaris sector
some good ideas but oh god the micro...

>>166208227
or you could make it easier to win once you have a clear advantage, while making that more difficult to attain

>>166209080
>Stellaris offers so much more
Given how shitty Stellaris is, nuMoO must be really awful.

>>166209114
>Offworld Trading Company DLC
Hold the phone, I need to check that.

>>166209080
>stellaris
>narrative
lol wut

>>166209260
Just checked, GOG is selling the DLC.

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>>166207686
I play with the PreFTL mod, that starting position mean it takes years to travel anywhere. And i cant even travel to the other side of that expanse to the south and there are no colonizable planets so far :/

>>166207575
I never liked MoO. Turn based, too abstract, too minmaxing etc. And i fucking HATE that tech tree.

>>166209354
>events
>crisises
>War in Heaven
>elections
>rebelions
>Fallen Empires
>way more diplomacy
>random events
Etc etc. Way more RP potential than MoO, either new or old.

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>>166209841
>aroused by tiles pattern
What the fuck

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>>166209841
To this day I wonder whether he eventually played Butcher Bay or not, I mean look at dem shiny bump-mapped tiles.

>>166209256
>more difficult to attain
That will only happen if you have better AI.

>easier to win
>to win
I mean look, in Total War for example, nobody fucking finishes the Grand Campaign. People get to the point where it's cleaning up and they stop playing.
Maybe there should be a system where quitting / 'retiring' from the game in Civ or whatever you're talking about gives you a score anyway based on your relative advantages.

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>>166209841
>naughty - dirty, broken and misaligned
I see this so often and yet it still makes me laugh.

>>166210712
>I mean look, in Total War for example, nobody fucking finishes the Grand Campaign
I plead guilty.
I usually stop playing once there's no more neutral towns and I need to bring the war to a "big" enemy.

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Neat. Enigmatic Observer Fallen Empire asked for the data from that "Limbo" bunker with the brainscans of long dead aliens. They really do have a "Preserve" planet where they re-spawn races.

Also what does the "First Virgil, then Beatrice" achievement refer to?

>>166210908
>First Virgil, then Beatrice
Dante's Divine Comedy you uncultured swine.

>>166210712
>I mean look, in Total War for example, nobody fucking finishes the Grand Campaign.
I did as the Greek. Brought civilization to savages. There's something fun about using a bunch of siege artillery on some hut dwelling german barbarians.

>>166211040
I mean I've finished campaigns in Attila as at least one of every factiontype (except Slavs they're boring as fuck), I usually make a point of it in every TW, but it's more of a matter of principle than actually enjoying slogging through mudhuts #9999999999.

>>166211003
Don't blame him too much, most people don't even know Purgatorio and Paradiso exist

>>166211197
Kids these days. They don't know about "All your base are belong to us", about "Let's go Justin", about "This is sparta" or even about The Divine Comedy or 1984.
Urgh, uncultured swines. Rank up your meems.

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In any event, UN of Earth Sol spawned inside the territory of a FE. Guess they're lucky it was a Enigmatic Observer and not a Militant Isolationist.

>>166209841
>playing 4x for RP

What victory conditions do people tend to play with? I just leave domination checked.

>>166198874
I do enjoy the gameplay loop quite a bit. It is missing somethings though.

>>166207575
Not really sure how I feel about the new Moo, its not a bad game but it feels kind of "flat".

>>166212197
I turn off religion in civ6

>>166212197
I just play until I'm number one. I see that as my character retiring and leaving the place for someone else.

>>166211673
Why would i not ??? Not everyone is a minmaxing autist like you.

Btw its not like there is a shitload of SF rpg's on the market...

>>166211427
Is this ironic
I don't think Divina Comedia was ever a meme.

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>>166204383
Holy fuck, praise the RNG God \m/

Now i only have to develop some actual FTL drive and im set.

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HAK HAK HAK

>>166213904
go away

>>166213904
"Return to the hell that spawned you, demon!"

[Spiritualist intensifies]

>>166179320
bump, I'd like to know that aswell

>>166213564
On the plus side, you can fortify the shit out of that one hyperlane and laugh at any hyperspace species that try to attack Sol.

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GIVE RIGHTS

Just tried out Vox Populi
Do the ai cheat even more on this mod, because holy shit they expand retardedly fast and get their tiny ass cities to be bigger than capital in like 40 turns
it's bullshit

>>166214464
It aint going to be so easy, i play on all engines allowed so not everyone will use hyperlanes.
But i do have couple of 2K firepower stations in Sol so it aint going to be that hard to repel attacks.

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>>166209841
I don´t disagree with you anon.
I do feel this actually Stellaris biggest strenght...if you don´t enjoy that. Well no wonder you don´t like it.

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Neat. Apparently some AI empire was doing the First League precursor event chain and one of my science ships happened to find it first.

I apparently have Endless Legend: Tempest in my library even though I never bought it. Is this part of their sale thing? Will it go away on Monday?

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>>166216661
That's not supposed to happen.

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>>166189009
>>Broken as fuck multiplayer lol battleballs

Battleballs were only broken because they didn't go far enough.

>>166216661
it's garbage anyways
offshore facilities ruin the game

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After Stellaris everything turn-based feels just so outdated.

>>166216830
"Okay".

>>166215798
whats with those horse hooves

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Finally. Finished the Cybrex storyline.

So why did they stop their robot revolution?

The sapient organic preserve on one of their worlds implies they studied organics, there's the cybernetics experiment station where they tried to merge organics with robotics. They had second thoughts about wiping out all non-robot life?

The only other precursor storyline I've managed to finish is the ones who realized they were in a videogame and blew themselves up. Never managed to finish the plague (I figure they were infected by a neighboring empire) or see all of the first league (social decay?) ones. Or the one where it's giant centipedes with no FTL that meet a small empire which does (I'm guessing they were wiped out by the FTL empire?)

>>166215798
Are you sure you are replying to proper post ?

>>166216812
They have been nerved thankfully.

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>>166209039
Yeah, pretty much that.
>no governments
The remaster could have actually made the 4 government tupes do something more than "+% to morale or a yeld", and they scrapped the idea entirely, fucking fags.
>Shittier tech tree
It's not shitty, but it's literally civ-tier tech tree, the 8 fields of research were way more interesting.
>shittier tactical combat
Goddamn this. They are entertaining to watch, and still involve good ship-building, but it can't compare to turn-based in my opinion.
>shittier ship designer
Bullshit. It's almost the same as MOO2 and a bit more intuitive, but the whole space limit, miniaturization and ship components are the same.
>no freighters
It sucks that you can't do it from the beginning, but there are structures that allow interplanetary food and production relocation. Also civilian transports are way better than magically teleporting citizens between planets
>star lanes/shitty map gen
Star lanes is up to preference (and you do unlock "jump portals", aka wormholes later on), map gen is actually quite good, and exploration feels rewarding even without Stellaris-like events, sign of a good map gen.

Nothing to say about the Pros, AI and diplomacy are good, and it is fucking gorgeous (magistral graphics and voice acting)

All in all i'd say it's MOO2 updated for today's standards, better in everything than MOO2 except combat and, arguably, tech tree.

Talking about the AI, they kicked my fucking ass at Extreme, and it wasn't because of their insane advantages. The Terran Khanate literally surrounded my two systems with military outpost, knowing well that if i declared war i would have only made my death swifter.
Once he locked me out of the universe, he refused to trade with me (unless i gave insane shit for very little return) and once he was even more ahead of me he raped my ass and bombed my 3 planets to oblivion, even gifting one to his robotic buttbuddy.

I'll try another game, hoping to meet more peaceful trade partners.

Man, so should I always try to maximize happiness? Or is it bad to dedicate an entire planet surface slot to a +10% happiness building? What about +production from xeno slavery vs +production from xenophillia happiness?

What is the best ethos if I just want to explore and do all the quest chains?

what 4x games have an in-depth exploration/discovering the world/sense of "mystery" and actual difficulty as you expand?

Something like warlords 2+master of magic with more meta strategy elements (resource stockpiles, logistics, trade routes, etc) would be my literal dream

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Fuck it, im going to do that.

Ganymede is populated by robots anyway...

>>166220071
you literally just described endless legend, go play it and suppress this flare up of your autism right now

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Fucking finally !!

Jesus, 28 years flying STL missions..

>>166181165
That would be the state funding science, which is done by tax money, therefore it is a violation of the NAP.

Have a megacorp that has 99/% robots/droids/synths, those are private property and therefore okay to use.

>>166221334
Welcome to the big kid playground.

>>166221221
>no unit choice
>boring meta mechanics
>magic is fucking stupid

0/10 would never play again, stop shilling for it

stellaris ethos for soviet union? I'm thinking

fanatic military/collectivist
fanatic collectivist/military
materialist/collectivist/military

is it better to grab a fanatic ethos instead of going for a 3 way? I'll also have to mod it so there are only russian names and white/asian portraits. also no manbuns.

>>166221334
what mod?

>>166207890
Go for it.

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>>166223632
Those in that pic - >>166199021

>>166222881
Raiders were the thorn in my side for too god damned long.

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>>166214532
>wanted to go full technocrat and build tons of synthetics so I finally get to see the AI crisis
>start next door to a Materialst FE that tells me to stop fucking around with this AI bullshit
Fuck.
And now they want my best scientist, too.

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>>166224857
Disguise a random dude as your best scientist and send him instead
Give AIs rights in secret in the meantime

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>spend almost 30 in game years organising STL expeditions and sloooooowly expanding
>finally develop first FTL drive
>TWO RESEARCH PROJECTS IN THE ROW AFTER WARP DRIVE ARE HYPERDRIVE AND WORMHOLE STATIONS !!

Just look at this shit ..
Its like this game makes fun of me.

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>>166221334
>STL missions
>Sexier Than Light
Oh yeah...

>>166227954
Oh you...

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>>166221334
>>166225832
It's Pre-FTL, right?

I've been trying Slower Than Light instead and I like a lot of the changes, specially the , but I wish that it also gave us the option to develop the regular FTLs.

Wish we had a combination of both mods.

>>166228130
>*Specially the 3 different STLs

>>166228130
Yes it is.

I cant find Slower Than Light on Skymods, is it still developed/downloadable ?

>>166227954
Good one, i chuckled.

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>>166228130
>I've been trying Slower Than Light instead and I like a lot of the changes, specially the , but I wish that it also
They still haven't fixed those , bugs?

>>166228415
It's on the Workshop. I'm not sure the author uploaded it to Skymods.

One of the things I don't like is that every interstellar travel seems to take a minimum of 2000 days and then the game adds a few days to it depending on the distance.
STL's drives also don't have any window so you can use them as soon s they reach a system.

>>166228668
I've never found these so I wouldn't know.

>>166228767
Ahh shit, its not on Skymods.. :(
On the other side its a plus - i dont have to start a new campaign ( its autism thing, nevermind ).

>>166228668
>dat pic

Its something horrible isn't it ?

>>166179738
What game is this ?

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>>166229358
>Its something horrible isn't it ?
I got greedy during the nomads event. You can buy 15 late midgame tech cruisers for 3000 minerals and 1000 energy and they deliver 15 cruisers in a month.

I got a second (encrypted) transmission saying that for just 1000 credits they'll give me the batch of cruisers they were selling to an other empire too.

In the end I got no ships and the nomads left with my money and minerals. If you get this event don't be greedy.

>>166202879
You can blockade it to try to starve it out or let it grow into a system and then immediately invade as it would have 0 manpower.

How's Endless Space? (1)

>playing united earth
>first planet i colonize is gaia
>set land of opportunity edict
>none of my people want to leave shit hole earth
>cant force resettle

hmm... something not right here. In another game I was playing I had my pops flock to a 60% habitability planet when I used the opportunity edict.

>>166232837
You can remove the governor to lower happiness and "incentivize" people to leave.

>>166233174
oh its a happiness issue? My leader is a champion of the people too. damn

>>166233260
Dunno if it's an issue but I find people tend to never leave planets with green happiness (80+) and bounce pretty early if they're in the 50s.

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>>166214532
Anyone else think a fun stipulation to the AI uprising would be using clone armies only against them?

>>166232654
For Amplitude's first game, it does alright.

>>166229831
8 Bits Invasion, with 8 Bits Horde's army fighting 8 Bits Army's army.

There are three games but they're compatible, so you can have undead from Fantasy land fighting ayyys from scifi land.
That's all there's to it, sadly. The game itself is... flat, I dunno how to put it.

How can I load a custom map from the workshop in endless legend? Im trying to start a game with my friend but I cant figure it out.

Just how powerful is the +research alternatives start? I've found the -25% mining station government to be pretty nice for a start since you save a lot of money, but I've noticed the military dictator's -10% ship cost also applies to all mining and research stations so you'd save even more minerals.

Democracies seem better in general though since you can typically get free 200 influence every 10 years.

>>166232837
The reason I use Improved Population.

>>166233870
Clone commandos should have a +25% damage against robot armies.

>>166233260
Champion of the people is best leader trait.

But yeah, I rarely have anyone migrate from the homeworld since it's usually where I train my sector govenors, so it's got 70-80% happyiness.

Who here minmaxes when playing Stellaris, and who just roleplay?

>>166238272
I do both for my primary species.

>>166238382
You can't do "both". There must be one more important than the other.

>>166238564
The math influences the roleplaying.

The white name and portrait isnt working for my common wealth of man. One of my scientists was a black guy named Dong Kong.

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>>166239012
>Dong Kong

>>166238693
I understand.

>>166239785
Is that Graham? The guy from Scion?

>>166239975
dunno it's just a pic

>>166240167
It definitely reminds me Joshua "Burned Man" Graham.

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>>166238272
Roleplaying is more fun.

> playing civ v
> England
> decide to go Autocracy because it is best for military victories
> citizens want order instead
> well, i need happiness, so I'll change
> people then want autocracy again
> well, I like it better for this anyway, why not switch?
> people are pissed and want order AGAIN
how do I stop this bullshit?

>>166240201
yeah I'm like 90% certain it's him

>>166240787
I know it's him. I spend minutes listening to his sexy voice. I know him.

>>166223482
>wrong
>opinion
>opinion
go play minecraft if you hate 4x so much, stop shitting up generals

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I'm trying to remove the ponytail hair for men. I think I need to edit the hair selector? Any idea what do do here

>>166241626
Stop answering it.

>>166242204
Figure out which of the five human_male entries is the right one, and then either delete it or just change its human_male_hair to a different number.

>>166242684
The human_male entrys are the phenotypes: white, asian, black etc. I figured it out though, the hair selectors are in gfx/portraits/asset_selectors.

Is Military Dictatorship better for making money than Plutocratic Autocracy?

Hear me out.

Assuming Fanatic Materialist for both, which gives a -15% building cost...

Plutocratic Oligarchy/Megacorporation reduces the cost of Mining Stations by 25-50%.

Military Dictatorship/Martial Empire reduces the cost of all ships (including orbital structures) by 10-20%.

So, it might not be immediately noticeable, but Military Dictatorship gives a smaller, but wider bonus overall, and might make your empire more cost-efficient than Plutocratic Oligarchy.

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The hunger of Horatio knows no bounds.

Are good stellaris guides for new players? How do you generally tech up/explore?

>>166246336
I've just done a quick check.

With Plutocratic Oligarchy, you spend 67 to build a Mining Station, 90 to build a Research Station.

With Military Dictatorship, you're spending 81 on both. Where this one shines, though, is in the reduced maintenance cost, which is based on the initial production cost. Your ships are less expensive, so you might be saving more overall.

>>166247772
>Are good stellaris guides for new players?
Purge everything

>How do you generally tech up/explore?
By purging everything

>>166247378
Woa woah WOAH, you don't get the depletion if you splice them?
That's fucking great.
How the fuck are you handling all that fucking food though, I've got max food techs and my horatios still drop like flies.

>>166248349
>With Military Dictatorship, you're spending 81 on both. Where this one shines, though, is in the reduced maintenance cost, which is based on the initial production cost. Your ships are less expensive, so you might be saving more overall.
Wait, what? I never built those corvette/destroyer/cruiser/battleship yards because it seemed like a waste of money and just had every planet with a spaceport build them but a -10% to maint cost is a pretty big deal.

>>166248543
I like to picture every single Horatio screaming at the wait staff (also Horatios) in restaurants and returning food when it's not exactly perfect. All of them. So 90% of the food gets wasted.

>>166247772
>How do you generally tech up
Build labs on planets and research stations around anything that provides research
>/explore?
Order your science ships to survey systems, and build more science ships so you can survey several at once

>>166248676
>I never built those corvette/destroyer/cruiser/battleship yards because it seemed like a waste of money
Are you serious. They are the most crucial way to save minerals.

>>166248676
Stations are a set maintenance cost of 1 energy, but I believe that ship maintenance is based on the cost of production.

>>166248787
I think they're just trying to compete with lemurians for being greedy fucks.
After all, Horatio should be the best at everything.

>>166246336
Plutocracy is still superior by virtue of being an oligarchy.

>>166249205
Explain, please?

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>>166248543
For that particular screenshot, I just did a game on sandbox difficulty specifically to see what their bonus was.

Was trying to figure out what pic was in-game.

How does a Fanatic Pacifist nation wage war?

Liberation?

Don't they still get the -15% happiness?

>>166249205
>>166249262
I'm not sure what you mean.

If this is true, I'll trade my rank of Militarist for a rank of Individualist; that will give me fewer faction problems and access to the Galactic Stock Exchange.

I'd just like to hear why you think that Plutocratic Oligarchy is a better choice than Military Dictatorship.

>>166249262
I assume means because you can choose your leader's traits to a degree, whereas dictators are chosen for you.

>>166251239
Can you switch to a democracy to get a new leader for 10 years, then use the democracy mandate influence to switch back to a dictatorship?

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/civ4xg/, do you typically play better as your home nation?

I never seem to loose as America.

>>166251921
I never lose as a French.
But I turtle a lot and I need allies to follow in battle because I can't take the initiative.

I'm going to play Civ V with a friend but we've both never played it before or anything like it. Anything to know?

>>166252218
Yeah. You need the expansions to have the full experience.

>>166249454
That's right. Liberation wars, as quick as possible. Just have a war goal to liberate 1-2 planets, and then you'll only need to land on 2-3 to end the war.

>>166249262
After the first election, oligarchy leaders get a mandate trait. These can be very strong, such as -25% growth rate or -10% ship cost. In effect it means they get an extra strong bonus on top of their government effect.

That's why dictatorships suck. Oligarchies are currently the best government forms.

>>166254063
Understood.

Thanks!

>>166254063
Aren't democracies better though? Every 10 years +250 influence.

So they STILL haven't fixed the glitch that causes election candidates counts to shrink over time? I'm only 70 years into the game and I have only a single candidate to choose from each election. Democracy my ass.

>>166254063
do you immediately get a mandate bonus when you switch from one government to an oligarchy?

>>166254063
>be a science directorate
>leaders keep getting mining station mandates
>too good at science, so my leaders don't die from old age anymore
Feels OK I guess.

>>166254438
nope, you need to have an election.