/lidg/ Let It Die general

FIRST FOR DECALS THAT CHANGE YOUR FIST MOVESETS FOR BOXING AND KARATE STANCES

Second for MILK a best.

candle wolf fags go home

what jackal weapon requires chemo oil? been saving this up and idk why. also wtf is aluminum alloy. i got the yo-yo blueprint and ive neeeever seen that before

>>166063104
maybe its in the secret shop on floors 30-40? I dont know where else

Where the fuck is the wool? I'm using the spreadsheet, but the floors have every cloth except wool. Has anyone found wool today, and if so, what floor?

>>166063104
>>166063458
it's not in the secret shop
aluminum alloy has a chance to be in jindies 38f room

>>166063559
On literally any of the cloth floors.

>>166063024
I'd love to use MILK gear if it wasn't such shit to grind upgrades. Candle Wolf is just so damn easy to upgrade

>>166063104
alloy is a rare aluminum spawn, oil and pure iron you can get from the secret shop

>>166063860
So then every time I go from the waiting room to floor X the cloths are randomly generated as opposed to switching with the rotation?

>>166063024
no doubt its good, but the suffering that is milk black or milk green

>>166063975
Yep. There's lots of cloth floors, so you could just take escalators to the next cloth floor if you get unlucky. I like collecting cloth in Shinko-bashi on my way to the double gold chest routes.

>>166064083
Sounds like the route I'll be doing. Thanks a bunch anon.

>>166064343
Happy grinding, bruv. It's a pretty comfy route. This is probably the route where you'll see treasure tubers a lot for bonus gold chests.

>can't release captured defender
anyway to fix this dumb shit? keeps happening

is there a full list of all the armors? i want to see which BP i'm missing

Transparagus has gone extinct.
Glad slowmungus is still around even if it's in limited supply.

>>166064083
what's the 2 gold chest route again? Shinko to Hyakkoku then back through to Hyakuda?

Which set of armor has the highest defense?

>>166064656
The BP_attacker or Collector tabs on the google doc in the OP have a complete list of possible BPs split up by floor range, I believe.

I don't actually have all of them, so it's very possible the names are wrong or I might be missing a set entirely though.

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I wonder if I should even make this. I'm so close yet I don't even have the pants Blueprint and I know Jackal Y pants requires 15 Alloy.

>return to waiting room
>fight myself for 3 minutes
>fight ends
>fight myself for another 3 minutes
>2 raids while returning to waiting room
are you serious?

>>166064454
So far, I just mulch them if I can't get rid of them.

>>166064863
Yeah, you can also detour through Hashydicka if you're looking for extra Mass Iron Bolts.

>>166064826
How do you mean?

>ready to hunt jackals floor one
>five minutes still nothing
>finally get one the other two take so long I waste everything
I wish i had serial killer because it'd be nice to switch to skill master

>>166064656
>>166064884
that'll do thanks
wish we had a catalog with images and stats of all the armors so i could plan out my fashion

>>166065319
My expeditions to 11 to 20 have turned up no transparagus. Same for 21 to 30 for slowmungus.

Ready to grind them KC for them STEWS this weekend? Having 60% more health (both tanks) will be really nice!

>Finally get to see dev raids
>Cheese it because I need the KC and SPL
>Finally try to play one out legit
>These cunts just block the whole time and play keep away to run down the clock
Yeah no fuck that. They designed those fuckers to be hard to kill and BEG for you to cheese the fuck out of their cheap instant block bullshit.

>>166065816
I like to think of it like this:

Would you sell 1 stingshroom and 1 transparugus for 30k KC and 30k SPL??

Thats all it takes to win 1 dev raid really.

>>166065258
can't do that yet. it just will not let me release the guy from the bathroom. just don't want a shit load of people rescue raiding me

>>166065956
This bug always arises for me when I capture someone and then someone fails a rescue raid on me. Then for the duration of my recapture, I'm not raided at all. I think this is because the rescue tab is broken. Basically if one person attacks you and fails, no one else can attempt to raid you after that. Hell if one person attacks you and wins, then they still can't raid you off the list anyway. Either way, I wouldn't worry about it. Just spend your shit before going into the tower and see how it goes. As far as I'm aware there's no fixes beyond mulching.

Maybe someone else knows more on the topic.

They really need to fix boss drops. Nobody should have to kill 10-20 mid bosses to get one ducking metal. At least up the freaking kill coin amounts. 900 coins is laughable. uggh, just want to finish my sengoku s set

what are the texas farmer mask stats?

>>166067460
Haters drop between 2 and 7k coins. Bosses should be double that and always drop it along with the metal. Farming bosses in this game is not rewarding or satisfying.

From what I can see Hibki's not a rotating floor but currently I have all the 20's floors explored and don't see it at all, what gives?

(just need that last stamp for the dm)

>>166067873
the final boss has haters
still terribly inefficient unless you're farming milk red

>>166067958
There are some floors that show up on multiple rotations, but not on some. Hibiki doesn't show up on Rotation 3 - if you return to the waiting room your map should change and it should come back connected to Monegi, since as of 2 hours ago we're in rotation 4 now.

A lot of these floors are inaccurately listed, I've caught some of them on my local spreadsheet and tomorrow when I've finished up some more notes on rotation 1 I'll publish on the google doc and probably make a new image version finally.

>>166067873
Meh should mention I'm grade 3 farming goto23. Side note though. Time to wreck some Texans y'all

>>166062751
That's one huge neck

>>166067873
>Go and kill coen and jin die on floors 34 and 38
>Get nothing
>Decide to go jackal hunting then
>Only get coins
Not satisfying is an understatement.

>>166068603
I think this game is more about the journey than the destination. To farm I pack up 5 to 7 gs and ram my way through multiple 30floors, even if I get nothing really and just gathered materials I enjoyed the journey. I usually get something anyway since I farm like three bosses and there chests on my route.

>>166062751
quick Q: decals stack y/n?

>>166069374
Premium and nonpremium do. You can't use two p or two nonp

>>166069374
you can stack premium and non premium versions, yes

>>166069374
If you have the premium and the non-premium of the same kind

>>166069374
yes

>>166067460
>Fixing boss drops
>Implying they are broken
It's a free to play game. The grinds are korean and the drop rates abysmal for a reason. They want you to give you money to shorten the time it takes to get things done. They want you to pay for convenience.

Why do you think there is a 30 minute wait before you can buy a new weapon or upgrade a part of your waiting room but have the option to use Death Metal a currency you can purchase to speed it up?

Why do you think you can convert DM into KC?

Why do you think you can outright BUY metals from the store? Nothing is broken it is working as intended.

>>166069537
>>166069570
>>166069548
We must all be raiding texans lol. Damn loading screens

>>166069790
2 of those things any sane person would never do, pay to get a new weapon isntatly, and exchange fucking 1 dm for MERE 5K KILL COINS WEW

>>166069882
About to m8

>>166069790
You can't buy metals from the store at anything approaching a reasonable price. Nobody outside of some insane whales are going to do that - if they wanted to push real money purchases they'd add a DM store - 1 DM per tier, so 1 for blue, 2 for green, 3 for black, 4 for red.

That way you're paying for convenience, and the relative 'value' of DMs goes up. This makes people more interested in free DMs, it'll dry out their DM reserves faster, and encourage 'reasonable' but small, repeated purchases.

At that point lowering droprrates from bosses could be seen as a jew-ing scheme. As it stands though, boss metal droprates are near 50% over longer periods of time, and spending real money doesn't reduce the grind unless you're spending like $60+

Really, for the health of the game I would like them to use DMs better and in more ways, resources for impatient/time-lacking players, salvage fee replacements at a rate that's not unreasonable so people would actually do it, mushroom store, express day passes, raid protection, shit like that.

5k for 1 DM is not an exchange rate that is enticing enough for anyone to actually do.

>>166069790

Paying for convenience is the worst kind of fucking F2P tactic

Cosmetics is the best way to do it but I honestly don't kbow what cosmetics they could really sell in this

The monthly sub is a fucking joke to, £15 a month is way too much for a F2P game when WoW costs like £7.99 a month

>>166070430
99 DOLLARS FOR FOUR FUCKING RED METALS!

>>166070438
>Cosmetics is the best way to do it but I honestly don't kbow what cosmetics they could really sell in this

Pets, everyone loves pets

>>166070438
>>166070721
More hairstyles

>>166070438
how about premium underwear, fighter appearances

cross over fighters?

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>got a Jackal Yo-yo and a Jackal Sword from killing random hunters sent my way
I'm liking this new trend of equipping hunters with rare drops. Super nice.

>>166070916
Does Meijin still get jelly even if you didn't kill a Jackal to get those?

>>166070438
>Paying for convenience is the worst kind of fucking F2P tactic
Selling exclusive overpowered equipment is the worst kind of F2P tactic

>haterfied fighter gets killed by screamers and bullet tuber
>doesn't get retrieved
excuse me

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>>166070518
Yep, the easiest metals to farm. I just can't imagine anyone but the biggest of whales ever actually buying those, or the development packs.

Small, repeated purchases are the key to a steady income stream, even if whales are the 'big fish' you wanna catch.

>>166070438
Coesmetics could work with under-armor skins. Replace your black sports wear with a bikini, clear skin instead of the Matrix-plugs all over, hairstyles, cosmetic equipment slots separate from your inventory so you could look how you want independent of your actual armor, cosmetic armor specifically for said slots, auras/flair items like scarves, pets (you could even have pets with functions like picking up KC/SPL for you), Torchlight style premium pets that could go back and store stuff for you without you having to head back to the waiting room, altered goretastic animations, weapon skins, costumes for NPCs (dress up Elevator-chan!), customize your base's appearance...

The list goes on and on.

>>166069790
Yeah, just to make sure you understand, the shitty packs on psn are not only prohibitively expensive, but they don't even have Amy death metal packs with bonus black metals, the hardest to find type.

The metals that you get as a "bonus" for buying the $100 pack are pretty high drop rate on the upper floors, and the ones in the priest pack are extremely common as well.

The express pass is neat but not game breaking, the storage is nice but not required if you don't blow all your death metals (plus you can get 150 incentory spaces for $5 with the intro pack), and the death metal revives don't repair durability so you can't scam your way through the game

>>166071065
Fighter: Lizard! I chose you!
(toss!)
(Lizard screams, bites you, then runs into the fire pit next to the Screamer you wanted it to attack)

>>166070438
>Cosmetics is the best way to do it but I honestly don't kbow what cosmetics they could really sell in this

By selling different looking body types with unique emotes.

If I restart my game will the shopkeeper change locations even if I don't buy anything?

>>166071034
If you mean his tip, then yeah it's max jelly

i feel like im taking too much damage, is VIT all that useful for damage lessening?

im only about F20, but everything is using fucking guns now and i think i have bullet def on my armor but im still taking some decent chucks of HP loss.

>>166071065
Those are some dope ideas. I hope you send them to Uncle Death.

>>166071565
also, does EVERYONE have the same floor drops or is it random? i've been getting the same drops in chests after bosses for the last few floors

>>166071065
>premium pets that could go back and store stuff for you without you having to head back to the waiting room
million dollar idea

>>166071330
yes

Anything worthwhile besides the iron use reveral metal?

JESUS FUCK
WHAT WAS THAT ALARM?
IS WALMART SECURITY AFTER ME?!

>>166072024
R U N
U
N

>>166072059
ITS
IN
FRONT
OF
THE
FUCKING
ELEVATOR!!!!!!!!

>>166071565
Vit does help. Also, dodgeroll under the bulletfire, only bullettubers correct aim.

>>166072139
GET TO THE ESCALATOR, FUCKER!!!

>>166072139
Transparangus!

>>166072293
lol

>got a Fireworks Blaster from one of my expeditions
>try it out

Wow. What a worthless piece of shit.

>>166071881
Yeah I kinda strayed from the cosmetics there but you could probably make some money offering that as a one-time buy alternative to Express Passes, since while it doesn't offer the elevator, it does offer a good farming oriented replacement to the 10 extra inventory slots.

>finally get death's scythe
>base attack is 400
what. Like i knew it was underwhelming but this is awful for a five star weapon with these requirements.

>>166072454
>>166062972
How about a decal that increases your Death Bag space?

>>166072293
>>166072269
i died

heart exploded trying to run too far

they can show up any time after that cutscene on any floor? i was only there for maybe 7-9 mins

>some brazillian fuck half my rank keeps trying to raid me for 2000 coins

Time to turn the game off and come back to a defense trophy I guess.

Also how is he getting matched up with me, we're not in a war I don't have any captives

Well at least once he gets off he's going to regret it

>>166072606
yep, all enemies dead on a floor (i think)= invisible timer until you get a visit from your new best friends

longer floors give you more time

>>166072606
Yeah, once you clear the enemies out they can spawn. From the vague anecdotal evidence we've kinda group gathered, it seems like there's a persistent clock that starts ticking once all the enemies on a floor are dead - so even if you don't see them after killing all the enemies on a floor, that means they'll show up faster next time you kill all the enemies, with the clock resetting upon their appearance or your return to the waiting room.

The clock seems to be like 10-15 minutes, but there's definitely variance. They seem to show up much faster on smaller floors.

>>166072606
only when you kill every enemy on the floor
if you see scratch tubers, leave them alive. they don't chase you for long and will prevent jackals from ever spawning

Can someone tell me which is better? Gold porkchopper or zombie chopper? Does it take long to upgrade it to its last tier?

>>166073137
gold, the zombie suffers 5 star weapon syndrome

>>166073212
ahh, so your saying gold is 4 star and zombie is 5 star? weird, would have thought gold was last tier

>>166072720
>>166072773
>>166072814

just how tough are they?
im assuming i should avoid them until im like at F30+?

>>166073306
avoid them until you can actually beat Gunkanyama (last boss) If you can beat him, you can deffinently beat the jackals with preparation

>>166071980
reversal*
anyone? the wiki is missing a lot of r&d info

>>166073306
yeah, you won't be going after them for a while

if you need to get past them just break line of sight with them and watch them from around a corner, after a bit they'll teleport and you can start running again

>>166073306
you won't be able to take them on until you have 5* fighters with lots of good decals and highly upgraded weapons and mushrooms

as of now for you they have like hundreds of thousands of health, tons of defense, and can hit you for like 17k damage. avoid at all costs, and like i said, try to leave an enemy alive on each floor. ideally the scrath tubers since they won't chase you

>>166072606
>>166072720
It helps to leave a scratch tuber/midboss alive on that floor to not even have the jackals spawn in. So, you can progress/farm to your hearts content. Just be quick in dead end room shops as jackals like to come in for some good deals.

>grade 3 raiding in fight
>raided a rank 48 dude with fishy fungus
>managed to capture one of his guys.
Neat, too bad it's grade 3 though Instead of one of his grade 4's

Anyone getting down on this fight with Texas? These morons have such weird defender setups.

>>166073306
Unless you're specifically prepared and looking for then, just don't try. Even after beating Taro if you're not looking for them specifically you're probably going to have a bad time. They have about 120k health and very, very high defense with armor that can't be shredded.

If you're looking for them and have the shrooms ready though, as soon as you get grade 5 fighters is fine. Just equip the right decals, take the proper amount of shrooms, and somethin like a 4star Katana and you're good to go.

Far as decals go, you can rock the Bull set up (which I find highly annoying since you need to damage yourself down to 15% and then try to stay under it even with natural healing ticking) with quite a bit of ease as those decals are pretty common.

Other setups are a little harder to get going. I use a maxed Sniper, oakshroom, stingshroom, Legendary Hero, One Shot One Kill (normal, don't have premium because fuck my luck), Giant Killer x2, and Barbarian, then just sniper rage attack to oneshot them. Not really sure I even need the stingshroom.

>>166073486
>good decals
>high weapons

I killed two and nearly three with some tier 4 katanas, no good decals (only combat one that did anything was +50% stamina, and 4 cloakshrooms with stingshrooms

Invisible shrooms and time slow shrooms combined with stingshrooms trivialize all content

>>166073283
Zombie loses the poison power as well

>>166074109
>>166074109
Maxed 4 star?

>>166074109
yeah that's nice. but in no way do good weapons and decals hurt to have obviously. could use less mushrooms then

>>166074210
i really hate that. some of the design decisions are just so stupid

>lol let's make this weapon break faster and just be objectively worse when you upgrade it

Why is there a block and roll system in this?

When you get hit you can't do anything except stand there and let the opponent finish their combo.

>>166074330
5 star character, but katanas are only 4 star +1 right now

>>166074383
you're meant to block or roll before getting hit
this isn't dark souls where you can activate your invincible button whenever you want (unless you use an iron i guess)

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>>166074383
>Yfw you get hit by this

>>166074383
Blocking reduces damage and almost entirely negates hitstun, letting you counterattack before their recovery is over. That and perfect blocking just negates damage entirely and stuns the enemy.

Rolling is a way to quickly re-position yourself, and your hitbox is accurate to your model while doing so, so you can dodge high swing attacks Jump is also an effective dodge a lot of the time, like on U-10 you just jump rope her tail swipe.

You don't have i-frames, this isn't Dark Souls. As for combos, if you have sweat drops over your head, you take longer to recover from hitstun, allowing many combos to finish when they otherwise wouldn't - sweatdrops are activated when you are hit out of your own attack/action. If you don't have sweatdrops, try holding block, you'll often block the second/third hit of a combo and become able to punish the enemy for doing it.

But like for serious even with all of the above fuck >>166074668 - it doesn't matter if you get counterhit, its full combo works every time for the AI against you.

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Post Jackal encounters

>Managing inventory on a really small floor in 1-10
>WOOOOOP
>"What the fuck was that?"
>Dapper looking motherfucker appears at the end of the hall
>Hasn't seen me yet
>Realize it's one of those Jackal things and start heading to the escalator
>WOOOOOP
>Peek around the corner
>There's another one between me and the escalator
>Its back is towards me
>I know what I must do.
>Suplex the shit out of the cunt and make a run for the escalator
>Get on the escalator just before my back gets tickled by a yoyo

>>166074782
>saber
>recovery

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>>166075040
Yeah I even mentioned at the end that the Cleaver Saber largely invalidates everything about the combat system when in the hands of a full mastery AI, it's fucking retarded.

Its skill even pierces guard, as if the 7 hit combo and perfect accuracy/tempo the AI offers wasn't enough.

>>166074938
Nice

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>>166074782
>It's a "Hunter has a Death Iron and Cleaver Saber" episode
I wonder if that decal that makes it harder to get groggied has any effect on brainshrooms.

>>166075298
It seemingly does not. Blessing and a curse really, if it actually worked it would make Defense an actual thing people could do, making TDM less retarded. If it did those Cali-cancer hunters would be even more annoying.

>>166075207
block it with a red hot iron

>>166075207
to be fair there are a lot of way he could've dealt with that but instead chose to fumble around with his weapons and let the hater get closer and closer

>>166075207
Lance out trades saber if you are far enough away should have used it instead of psycho which requires charging to beat it..

So what kind of tools were the Chopper weapons before Max modded them?

Before I found out they were DOD, I thought they'd be Candle Wolf armaments from the look of them.

>>166075207
a classic for the ages

>>166075659
Oh yeah that's my video, I really only took it to validate to myself that it wasn't as bullshit as I had originally imagined. I was so fucking mad when this happened at first that I made a post grossly exaggerating how bad it was.

At first I didn't realize I was groggied after the first combo, and I didn't know what happened on the staircase. So to me originally it seemed
>suplex on naked hater turns into jump for no reason
>get hit a few times, randomly unable to move for 2 seconds
>get hit a few more times, fall off drop
>stunned by enemy stepping on head, hit by attack that I clearly dodged

When in reality it was just that the staircase was an elevated area, so the context prompt was for a Frankensteiner, which hit the ceiling and canceled (shitty), then I freaked out and started switching weapons thinking about how I should deal with this (hater was naked I could've just shot her with the AR, or just started with a spear attack and killed her instantly, etc etc), got groggied (normal interaction), then got inescapable combo'd by the really unfortunate combo off a drop into step-stun and hit again. Basically just a series of bad luck started off by my bizarre need to suplex naked haters instead of just kill them.

>>166076075
wut? a pork chopper is just a huge meat cleaver

>4 golden birds from one round of expeditions
oh ok

>>166076530
Kohashi was where they came from, and I can almost guarantee all 4 golden birds were from one expedition.

Kohashi has exactly one spawn of an item viable for an expedition to bring back as a reward - a bird. If your hunter's 'copy area' spawns that very small chance that the bird is replaced by its golden variant, it still needs to bring back multiple rewards - it brings back the same golden bird 2-5 times. I've had this happen 4 times out of probably 20-some expeditions to Kohashi, making it an amazing place to send expeditions to, since even without being golden birds still sell for a lot, and Oakshrooms are useful.

Problem being nobody really goes to Kohashi much, all that's there are a bunch of reversal tubers and one most likely not golden bird.

It's not a guaranteed profitable run like Okusa.

>>166074782
you also get instant sweat drops when hit on the back

>>166076769
I guess if you want KC Kohashi would be a pretty quick place to farm without dev raids. Each Reversal Tuber is worth 3k+ on a non-Lucky Star and are easy to kill, and it's an easy straightforward area without a bunch of screamers in the way of anything.

So with a Lucky Star and Golden Lucky Cat you might be able to make like 18-20k per run through of the area with little to no fuss. Also Reversal Metals if you want them.

>>166076965
That is a weird interaction, when that happens it always takes them a long fucking time to go away.

>>166077078
>>That is a weird interaction, when that happens it always takes them a long fucking time to go away.
I kinda like it

its a different penelty from Nioh

I just wish there was a bit more moves overall

>Dress my fighter in batter gear
>use mainly the fully upgraded bat
>Name my striker "The Batter"

Going around and "Purifying" the floors is a fun task, idk why this interests me so.

im getting pissed running into super high lvl dev and player hunters

because im trying to get back to base, they always one shot me since im only lvl 9 trying to lvl my guy up.

my guardshroom collector mule is the secret to my success

>>166077238
Highest is floor 40 with a rank of 68. When do i see dev haters?!

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>>166074938

> Beat the first Don and unlock rank two fighters
> Make a rank two strike and goof around in the lower floors to explore and level up
> Find a room that is just the secret shop.
> It has a whatever level Hater but, the name and level are red as well as five screamers.
> Manage to kill everything
> Jackel spawns right in front of the secret shop and she starts walking towards me.

>>166077353
they are the guys that have the garbled mess of names

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>Waiting room keeps getting attacked while I'm trying to farm items
>Go back to base and check in with Tetsuo
>Bunch of Califags trying to raid and getting absolutely walled by all of my defenders

Fucking cucks.

when is patch time dess

>>166077910
you say that, but california is winning bro

>>166078318
1/19/2017 23:00 – 23:30 (PST)

>>166078624
because for every one of him, there is about 100k who don't even have defenses at all

Can you drop down to rank 10 from 70 if you delete a majority of your characters and replace them with tier 1 fighters?

>>166079084
Yup

>>166078652
Crossing my fingers they dont fix the simulator exploit

>>166079203
chill. don't let reddit fuck us over again

>>166079157
Nice. I might try it out once they implement the next tier of fighters

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>>166062751
They should have just made this a multiplayer focused full priced game (which it was initially suppose to be?) instead of the F2P that it is. I'm really enjoying it right now, but that's because the novelty of grinding hasn't worn off. Once it does, I have no reason to continue with it, which seems like a damn shame.

I do love all the Uncle Death art though.

Anyone have the webm or the male player being ironed through his lifeshroom by the female hunter?

>>166079203
what expoilt?
i wanna do it before shit stops

>>166079203
They aren't doing any bug fixes with this patch. That patch is coming later.

>>166079782
>Inb4 they only fix the exploit with the patch and no other bugs

Did all the texans kill themselves or something I grinded up to 128k SPL for the last freezer upgrade without a single raid on me.

>>166081369
They're not even fighting back man. We dominate.

>>166081479
wouldnt matter if every single one of them did
tdm design is awful

>>166081479

>We
>Implying you even live in California

Bunch of fags all dogpiling into the worst state of the US.

>>166082125
excuse me, silly rewards in a video game aside, this state is pretty nice to actually live in.

>>166065167
Jackal Z panties.. never

Any places I can consistently/reliably find silver skillshrooms?

>>166082641
Expeditions to 21-30 work out pretty well for that.

>>166082641
Try doing expeditions on 21-30 side floors. If you really want to, go to those side floors yourself.

>>166082815
>>166083035
Thanks guys.

I swear, there's always a dumb fuck too low a rank to rescue somebody's fighter. Can't even rescue my own because of that dumb glitch. Was holding a hostage of my own to get that defense trophy

you got an hour until maintenance begins

So I heard this myth that there was a viable strat vs Rapier shitters. Is it a load of shit? Or is there something more reliable than parry?

>>166084387
how long is it

Alright, going to try to go for my first ever MEME build. El Luchador. Decals I'm thinking of are Dual Wielding x2 to help the fists not be so garbage. Considering Ninja Master x2 and to finish it off with Judges Gavel. Waffling between the little bit of extra damage from Attacker or enjoying the Vit and HP of Striker. Obviously Killer Wrestler mask is a given, but are there any other armors that would seem thematic? and not require so much MILK metals.

>>166084786
30 minutes

>>166084786
half hour

>>166084786
~30 minutes

>>166082450
>this state is pretty nice to actually live in.
If you're a nu-male, sure.

>>166084906
Well said, I'm in Cali for the dms.

>>166084849
IIRC I tried using Dual Wielding to up my fist's damage during the floor 40 boss but the decals under my character weren't lit up like they were working.

>>166085167
Shit. I'll have to do some testing in that case.

>>166077196
Because the fun is in the variety.

>>166084849
try super alloy, and would the blunt damage decal affect fists? oh and dumbell bar bell should affect fist damage

>>166085665
Oh, I forgot about the Slugger. Those would be good replacements for Dual Wielding too if Dual wielding doesn't work.

>lose dod black metal and milk black metal in a raid because the game lagged
I'm not mad.

>>166085735
Why were you raiding with mats?

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I just realized there are no huge 2-Handed swords in the game, closest being the Katana. I hope the next patch adds one and it's not a slow piece of shit like the axe.

>>166085918
Had about a minute left on express pass, wanted to get one last freebie in.

>>166085996
>fast huge 2Hander
nigga what

>Doing rando raids
>Rank 70 has a bank of 5k each
>no defenders

I can only assume the guy forgot to spend his shit or just doesn't care about that piddly amount anymore.

>>166086041
A desperate reason, but an understandable one. I might have made that same mistake too.

>>166086097
It was just supposed to be something quick and painless but it turns out the person I raided was mega tryhard. Oh well, not really a huge deal, just wish the game didn't lag when trying to do things.

>>166086253
The worst is the lag when you're simply switching weapons. I swear those tremors give me palpitations.

>>166086082
Just give it a high strength and dex requirement so only attackers can use it without discounts, with a moveset similar to the katana?

so, are there any tips to waiting room defense if you aren't max level with a billion items and shit?

>>166086319
I got lag when entering the bank room, lag when switching weapons, and then lag when trying to eat a mushroom so it ate my input. Good times.

>>166086525
yes, don't bother it's not worth it

>>166086818
i figured as much, its not up to me, its up to AI that can be baited.

>>166086525
You actually have less to lose by simply not keeping any defenders. All you do is end up making Raiders use more of their infinite shroom supply and slowing them down a little.

so what the hell happens when you go back to waiting room, but your fighting people in slow mo?

wierd, but cool. really gotta time your hits

>>166074668
How do you even fight against someone with this shit?

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>>166087084

>>166087084
Use shrooms or die.

so, what would be the proper way to save the game? can i just cancel it in the waiting room or should i go back to title first?

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>>166085996
We need a giant hammer to go with the clay figurine set and complete the stronk golem look

maintenance is in 12m?

>>166087084
iron parry

>>166087393
Yep

>>166086995
>>166086918
>>166086525

>Not filling your room with Saber Defenders and making them work for your loot.

>>166087663
>work for your loot
>1 Evershroom and a nailgun+butterfly knife
ezpz. With the defense simulation you don't even have to waste your shroom supply now.

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You guys saving up before maintenance?

>>166087967
Nobody raids you? Or do you never leave the waiting room?

>>166087967
Why the fuck - all the decals they are offering are terrible

>>166087967
I guess I accidentally left 21k in the bank when I got booted off right now.

>>166087967
>>166088119
i spent all my cash before i got kicked, at the most they would get a pittance of spl before i log back in, not that anon that has fat money banks

>>166088227
heavy tank is useful

>>166088227
I want several 40% tank decals if possible for defense and to fill out my book with the others.

>>166087880
Wait are you telling if you use.... Oh shit. That's god damned convenient.

>>166088334
>>166088397
I suppose if you're looking forward to future content and assume they'll be useful one day sure.

Maintenance hit. How long is it going to last? Thirty mins or no one knows?

>>166088558
wut? if your naked having more hp is miles better than any other defensive decal

>Please bear with us while we undergo maintenance

>Get fucking kicked out while going through an escalator

Holy shit my guy better not be dead when the game comes back up again

Anyone know what the update will be? New content?

>>166088664
your guy is dead

>>166088664
your dude is dead nigga

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>>166072503
Jackal weapons are super shitty too, Picked up a sword from a hater, and it only has 300 attack for a 6 star weapon... What's the point?

>>166088664
Fucking same. I had rare red mats on me and I didn't even know maintenance was coming.

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I've heard you should wait to make a level 4 character till you got good upgrades due to haters.
Should I wait or will it not be that noticeable?

>>166088664
the update is literally just to start the event. your dude is dead. enjoy your night

>>166088935
notifications didnt even pop up this time, shit sucks

>>166088935
Same. On floor 38. God damn that's gonna be costly.

>>166088935
>>166089065
rev up that rewards box

>>166088935
>>166089065
E-enjoy your complimentary DM though anons.

>>166088751
>>166088848
That's fucking so unfair, your guy die because I get stuck in a loop where I can't properly exit out of the game. Gungho must be aware of this...

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How long will the maintenance take?

>>166089209
if you were in the tower when maintenance hit there was nothing you could have done. and there was no warning message this time which was the super lame part.

>>166088934
style

>>166088640
And why would you be naked? Hell even if you were naked at 31+ you get killed in 1-2 hits, 40% more hp isn't going to do too terribly much anyways.

>>166089065
In an alternate timeline, my other self decided not to do one last red metal run and go to bed.

>>166089317
lol what, unless your a 5k hp attacker, 2 hits wont kill you, how new are you?

>>166088640
Having 1 piece of armor is better than any defensive decal

>>166089398
armor breaks

>>166089467
>funshroom

>>166089389
I'm honestly struggling to comprehend where you're even coming from here - like, why the fuck would you be naked?

And even if you were naked, if you get combo'd by anything threatening, you're dead, with 10000hp or 14000hp, have you ever attacked a screamer with no armor? Even a pitching machine will do 8k with a single shot.

>>166089467
Oh, you're playing Defender and get hit by everything on the planet, I guess that explains why you'd want more hp.

Just stop getting hit so much, and bring like 1 fun fungus if you're going on a really long trip.

>>166089467
And the earth is also flat, what other grand revelations do you care to share with us anon?

>>166089528
while out in the field dumbass

>>166089547
nice assumption jackass, i was playing as my lucky star with 8k hp, and no i dont go out naked, but you clearly dont grasp what im saying, so keep on being a huge faggot

>>166089782
you can bring a funshroom with you to the field dumbass

>>166089820
why would you? if your armor is broken, i tend to head for the elevator/ sprint past enemies

>>166089782
No seriously I get that you're getting hit so much your armor breaks and I'm calling you shitty at the game and at planning. Bring a fucking fun fungus and stop getting hit so much - the rest of us handle it just fine.

I haven't had to change any piece of armor in about 2 weeks now.

HAHA FUCK YOU MY GUY WAS TELEPORTED TO THE WAITING ROOM I DIDNT DIE

>>166089865
okay anon, its okay to lie on the internet, but try to not be so obvious about it also again cool assumption faggot

>>166089852
whoa, its like you dont know funshrooms keep your armor from breaking in the first place..

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>>166089868
So anything new after the update?

>>166089980
whatever nigga, just keep being a faggot

>>166090005
tis not a fucking update you dork

>>166090005
not that i see, was just for the mushroom stew update

>let it die twitter advertising manvsgame
not like this..

>>166090015
lmao you got told

>>166090175
fuck off cunt, i know what fun fungus does, i dont have a shitload of it to spend on trash armor i get from expedtions, if it breaks its whatever

>>166090158
they would advertise that whale

>>166090227
need to use some fun fungus and repair your anus.

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What's so good about the priest chest?

>>166090227
>i know what fun fungus does

sure you did :^)

>>166090327
fucking retard

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>>166090327
Okay, that was pretty good

>>166090356
fucking retard

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>>166090327
savage

>>166090358
btfo

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so lemme guess

gay man vs gay game is califag?

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So I'm thinking about making a smaller version of the image chart just for easier reference after I finish counting up materials/tiles for rotation 1 tomorrow, any suggestions on formatting/stuff to include/cut out?

>>166089943
I am not in the habit of lying for no reason.

>>166090431
>>166090459
jerk of circles

>>166090516
nah why the fuck you lying

So is the event live? There's no indication in game

>>166090516
my chart suggestion:

make 4 smaller charts, one for each rotation, and do all color coding by material type (not rotation)

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>>166090616
Why do you keep replying at this point? It's obvious to everyone that you were wrong and instead of owning up to it you're acting like a 6 year old resorting to name calling and going "nuh uh!" It's sad really.

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>>166090507
>ManVsDrugs
>GayManVsGayGame
>FaggotVsCasualziation
>BitchVsWhine

I like how nobody has defended that dumbfuck yet, You guys aren't bad at all.

>>166090792
wrong about what, that how fun fungus works? or that you are a massive faggot

>>166090846

If you guys are arguing about how fun fungus works i can tell you right now.

Whatever armor you have equipped and any 2 weapons be 2 handed or not that you currently have selected for R2 and R1 will get repaired.

It's that simple my man.

>>166090832
he is a vaping massive shitter, and should move in to some other shitstain of a casual game, its more his speed

>>166090516
I'd like to randomly suggest that the map on the right of the current rotation spreadsheet should be in a separate frame so we can scroll it around independently

>>166090916
nigga i know how it works, hes just being a vague cunt

>>166090790
I suppose that would more easily let me just cut out floors that aren't on some rotations, as well as the notes about traps not appearing in certain rotations.

I've been trying to keep things all contained to one image till now, but an album would probably work just fine. Just have 5 images, one for each rotation, and one for all inclusive.

>>166090916
Nah it's kinda just a bunch of us dogpiling him for getting hit often enough that his armor breaks more often than he gets fun fungus to repair it.

>>166090934
That's actually a different anon than me, one that actually knows how to use google docs. I am thinking of taking the big map pictures and trying to put all this info on them though. That might be a ways into the future though.

>>166090987
fuck off, you can make assumptions all day, but in the end its all you being cunts, so choke on a dick and die

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>>166090986
>>166090987

Where's my fucking Mike Tyson jpg when i need it?

>>166091073
choke on a cock

>>166090987
>I am thinking of taking the big map pictures and trying to put all this info on them though.

That sounds good. Maybe take inspiration from one of those old nintendo power guides for zelda or metroid for the layout

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>>166090986
>>166090987

Gotchu senpai.
>>166091073

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>>166091056
You're the one that started with the insults with >>166089389 bucko, it's not our fault that you can't take what you dish out.

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>>166091198

So with 'defeat all enemy with sword on kawabe' quest, can i damage with other means and deal the killing blow with sword. Will that count?

>>166089852
You're a fucking retard. Funshrooms add longevity to your run, and if you grill it you instantly have full armor and weap dura. Why the fuck wouldn't you keep one on you for multi-floor runs?

>>166090987
keeping it contained to one image is a nice ideal, but 99% of the time i care about one part of one line, and the rest is just noise i have to sift through. an album sounds great.

>>166091251
but thats wrong, you are saying you will get 1 shot by a baseball, but it would only do the most 1k hp damage, grats on not playing the game

>>166091163
I've actually made a giant map for a recent game so I've got experience on that front, I autism out hard on most games I play.

>>166091264
Maybe? It's hard to tell because the quest fails if a hater kills anything.

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>come to check out the general at fucking 2AM
>want to see if anything new's happening
>wanna see if these niggers are enjoying the game
>come here to find preteen angst and circle jerking


Hold on i need to get my popcorn.

>>166091282
nope longer runs tend to end in disaster, better to move with a purpose than randomly go on a "long run" for no reason

>>166091365
i know right, clucking like a bunch of baby back bitches, and making assumptions and shit, go grind coins for decals you fucking nerds

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>>166091458
He's still mad as fuck

>>166091316
Actually that was me (not that anon you're replying to), and I said shooting a baseball at a naked screamer does about 8k. Of course, that's with an attacker/shooter and with decals - it was merely to make the point that armor gives you a LOT of damage reduction - an armored screamer of the same level would take roughly 500-600 from said baseball, and their armor is always at a very low durability.

You're not going to die from one baseball, but with no armor it's going to take real chunks out of your health. What will kill you for one mistake is a hunter with any real weapon. It probably won't be in one hit unless it's a cleaver/katana (which you know, if you're getting hit by a katana you deserve your death anyways) but it certainly will be in one combo, heavy tank or not.

Have I adequately explained myself enough yet?

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>>166091316
I said nothing of the sort. The anon you were originally arguing with about health and defense and shit is busy working on the resource chart, I just hopped in when all you could come up with was "fucking retard".

>>166091503
assume this nigger, im doing dev raids for coins, suck my dick, CHOKE ON IT

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>>166091565
>d
>>166091503
>>166091253
>>166091251
>>166091198
>>166090792
>>166090459
>>166090431

The fact that you guys save these fucking pics for moments like these gets my sides moving.

Fucking stelar comedy, dood.

>>166091565
>>166091507
>>166091621
i honestly dont care, but ill be damned if we dont keep doing this fucking square dance till the fucking sun comes up, come at me, im sure you faggots will get tired of this before i will

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>>166091694

You're on the internet.

If you honestly give a single fuck about anything anyone else says about you on here you've basically screaming you got some personal issues.

Calm down my man, take a walk outside and enjoy the company of a friend or some shit.

whatever stupid ass point you're trying to prove on here i can tell you right now, nobody is going to care unless they wanted to know.

>>166091774
im not trying to prove any point, but if they keep replying then i will too

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>>166091694

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>>166091827

I give up. you win this argument.

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>increased rates
>10 soups later
>none of the advertised P decals

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>>166091853
>>166091873
the yous :^)

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>>166091694
It's not that big a deal buddy, we're arguing about stats in a videogame. If it means that much to you than alright, you win, i'll stop replying.

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>>166091919
How convenient, right?

nah for real i'm just trying to get him to shut the fuck up and get out.

>>166091934
>>166091983
not gonna happen grandpa

>>166091894
is it actually live? theres no event listed in the arcade under the event tab

>>166091694
My autism for spreadsheets is unceasing and endless, but yes I will eventually grow tired of getting replies from you since you've utterly ceased trying to defend yourself.

In the beginning I was really trying to grasp what use people saw from Heavy Tank, the other guy had a good point - in the future they'll likely re-design TDM and defenders will be worthwhile, and at that point having a bunch of Heavy Tanks to slap on them to make things take just that much longer for attackers would actually be a worthwhile use of the decals.

In that sense keeping Firefighter and the increased defense for matching set decals would also be valuable - Firefighter would make it difficult to shred armor, Indomitable (I think that's the groggy resist one) to make brainshrooms/evershrooms not work, Heavy Tank for HP, and then two set defense buffs for 40% more defense. Then just put some sort of weapon that's annoying to deal with on them and your defense is exceedingly cancerous.

>>166090516
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FZaurCKcOm5ucUEBjSEAe2gYEX9nL89sBmC_VgmdfNA/edit#gid=1382690380

I feel this works just fine, I pull it up on my phone all the time and it helps out when i need to farm mats

>>166092018
why would there be, all they've done was increase the rates it would pop out of the osup

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>>166091919
Hey buddy look at our post times

>>166092014
I told ya. and im not that old you stupid fucking brat.

>>166092026
its whatever, i play the game how i want, my attacker i use for raid uses 3 tank decals, 1 dumbell and a vampire, and it works great for me, if you cant see the value in heavy tank, i do think you are fucking retarded though, thats just me

>>166092080
keep em coming punk, youll go to bed before i will

well i bought 13 soups and got judges gavel..which i already had for weeks..
i'll probably keep buying bcos cucked

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>>166092156
Look at you, losing sleep over an argument on the internet. You're really showing me.

But honestly, i'm done pushing your buttons for the night. You can keep spamming that update button all you want, but i'm going to bed.

Goodnight, jackass...

>>166092054
Yeah his work's great, I'm just tryin to add some more data as I get it to mine, which will hopefully propagate any usefulness out to other spreadsheets.

The only big things I'm adding are a P symbol for the cloth materials (Prominent), meaning that one type of cloth is going to be almost every spawn on that floor, which should be helpful for getting a specific type.

And MvT - Materials versus Tile count, the higher the value, the more valuable the floor should be to visit, like Yoneguchi is 8 - 8 materials in one tile, General floor, if you want tier 1 mats, Yoneguchi's the place to go.

>>166092084
And I use Legendary Hero, Bloodsucker, One Shot One Kill, Treasure Hunter, and Marathon Runner on a Shooter for exploration. I just did not think anyone far enough along to be using 4star decals would actually get hit often enough to see any value in an increased max health pool.

It's like those 20% defense buffs I mentioned, those would be totally awesome to use with an axe/pickaxe for high defense, soak the damage back that I take while superarmoring through attacks gameplay. But the problem there is that your armor has durability. If you're constantly getting hit, you're going to be burning shitloads of fun fungus, at a rate faster than you can get. As the game stands, it's just the wrong way to play. I wish there was something enabling that gameplay more, but it's just not at the moment.

That's the exact same way I look at Tank decals - getting hit should be a rarity, and armor is a safety net, not something that should directly impact/influence your gameplay.

But you're right, you're free to play however you want, and we're free to insult you for playing differently.

>>166092396
so long faggot, hope you choke on a dick and die in yours sleep, furthermore, 4chan auto updates you fucking retard

So it's advisable to run dungeon with lucky star for the increased rate of heavy tank and what's the other one?

>>166092447
you are going to get hit, regardless, i dunot know why you would use super hero, and i get shot by nails and crossbow bolts while smacking the tanks in dev raids, so with vampire and my tank decals, they cant lower my hp enough for it to matter

>>166092549
Yeah you'll take a hit every now and again, I use Legendary Hero because the very few hits I take I immediately gain back with Bloodsucker, keeping myself at max health and having 30% increased Attack/Defense enabled at basically all times.

Especially with One Shot One Kill, if I'm using an AR I stay safe most the time and constantly leech health.

I usually go through like 4 weapons before I need to fun fungus because my helmet's getting low from the hits I've sustained.

I need to upgrade my helmet since it's just a 3rd form +0, and has lower durability because of it, I'd be able to save some Fun Fungi doing that.

>>166092702
like the other fucking morons who thought i didnt know what fun fungus does, i dont find it very much, i have 4-5 in my bank, and i use it to repair gear that i like, along with jackal weapons, i only have 2 swords, so i just have a hard time buying that people have so much of it that the carry it around in the field

>>166092839
Those jackal weapons are such a fucking detriment, I got the Jackal Sword to mastery 20 on goretastics alone because they just soak up fun fungus like water.

If you're using those actively and repairing them I could definitely see a shortage - or if you're still progressing. I didn't start having a massive stockpile of them until I was farming Red materials, or farming for the Scythe upgrades (less useless than Jackal weapons but still overall useless)

Right now I have... 45 or so sitting around, not sure of the exact number because a lot of them are on a frozen collector. I sell ones that come in from expeditions now and probably won't start keeping them again until I'm down to about 10.

>>166092965
i beat the game weeks ago, and now am working on my motorpsycho, it just a rare thing from expedtions, and even less so in the field

>>166092965
im getting close to the scythe, ive been grabbing iron and oil from the shop along with dod red, oh and reverse metal? i still need a few stamps, and the mlik black, im just going to craft the base weapon, then send them out to players, and in general have fun with it, i enjoy golf, even though i havent played in years

How much KC does it cost to buy premium decals once you beat the game?

should i be buying reversal metals everytime i go to gyaku? i don't really need them, what are they used for exactly

>>166092965
Scythe at least has super durability which balances it's low damage but it needs a buff.

>>166093021
I dunno, I never felt it was too terribly hard to get outside of when I was progressing 31-35, but on the flip side, I also spend a TON of passive time due to spreadsheeting, so my ground covered in comparison to expeditions completed is probably much lower than most players. Also just a very cautious player, one on one, plan shit out - >>166075207 is what happens when my plans don't pan out.

>>166093093
It is legit the coolest weapon. It's got an amazing moveset, it has great durability, its rage attack is great, and it's goretastic is rad.

It just does damage befitting a 21-30 weapon instead of even coming close to matching a katana.

>>166093161
Problem being that if you just used a katana it'd last longer because you'd kill stuff in less hits. It's frustrating. I hope I'm at least ahead of the curve when they add a new form in a patch or something, instead of having wasted all that time for a weapon that'll just never be good.

>>166093249
But you have a usable rage move that doesn't take a 1/4 of the fucking bar. I don't even use them anymore because they do more damage to the weapon then the enem.

>>166093143
i know death burner uses it for upgrade.

>>166092965
how? not him but i seriously never find the fuckers. i keep one in my bag for emergencies, but its for exactly that; emergencies. every time i get back to town i sell my gear and replace it b/c fun fungus is effectively worth >50k for me still. i have a buffer of ~10 in storage, that's it.

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So I think I'm gonna beat the game tonight. F40 Futagi, is that the final boss? What should be my preparation?

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Increased chance for decals? I just spend 1m KC on decals and got none of them. The only new thing I got was a regular emerald premium decal. I thought I was recording too but the PS4 is shit at manual recordings.

Also what the fuck am I supposed to do with 1m SPLithium? I would have to spend real money to get rid of it.

>>166093597
i know that feel, like i said, i tend to call anyone who is drowing in the stuff a fucking liar, and i do send out expeditons often, my collector and lucky star to 31+ at least hourly

>>166093694
Hope you like getting raided out the ass for people wanting that sweet SP.

>>166093694
id love to gamble it for random items or something

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>>166093597
If a floor can spawn it, it can be a reward from expeditions.

These are the ones I've seen in person, but damn near any floor 31-40 can return it.

I've got 9 hunters out on expedition a lot. I'd say constantly but the ERR-002 or whatever is kinda causing me to not want to send them out very much anymore.

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>>166093731
Yeah probably but 90% of people die to my 3000 defense 20k HP defenders with rapiers. I also feel like most people who would abuse mushrooms are already in California and thus won't raid me. I can spend 900k~ of it in 40~ hours on bank upgrades. Not like I fucking play this game anymore.

>>166093697
I have like 20. I get 1 to 3 every hour but i never use them.

>>166093852
rng in a nutshell, i dont even get turtles all that often

>>166093105
It's always 50k.

>>166093785
yep i pretty much always have a hunter or five out to ebata or itanodoi since people are there for bosses. they bring me a lot of staminigus. like, a real lot. c'est la vie.

>>166093998
i like stam, and tough shrooms too, tough are much better than i took them for

>>166093672
20 Guardshrooms.

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>>166093998
My current collection of fun fungi, I'm happy that I'm below my prior estimate of 45, they were kind of hogging a shitload of space.

>>166094328
thats nice i guess? not sure why you felt the need to post that

>>166094374
More for >>166093697 but I was just following the reply chain. Sorry buddy.

>>166094390
i thought it was 10% i almost have 300k spl so 1 win against me will be 30k spl

How do I reset mid bosses?
Do I just need to leave the area then come back or do I need to go back to the waiting area.

>>166094940
gotta go back to the waiting room

>>166094940
you need to go back to your waiting room

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So I just beat the game I heard once you beat the game you can buy any premium decal of your choosing? How ?

>>166095387
>I heard once you beat the game you can buy any premium decal of your choosing

i've never heard this

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>>166094495
I meant to repost my post with the proper picture, here it is. It's normally 10% but after a certain point it becomes 5%. I have 1,032,000 spl here.

>>166095387
Talk to Momoko's sister, she sells nothing but premium decals.

>>166095529
what floor is she on right now?

>>166095459
strange, i want to grind for more stews, but im in the danger zone of having way too much spl and nothing too spend it on

>>166095564
42

Any floors with high wool drops?