/mbg/ - Mount & Blade General

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First for Prima Nocta is the birthright of every Noble.

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I'm posting Cao Cao in honour of the poster who was posting in honour of the original Cao Cao poster until we get a good Romance of the three kingdoms mod.

>>165722861
>someone using an image made from someone else's screenshot as the OP image
this is some real teamwork here boys

>>165722953
The Dynasty Warriors mod is great! Check it out my friend :)

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>>165723207

Any mod with cleavage? I like being teased.

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>>165722815
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLB9PlqkONo

What's changed since you first saw this, anons?

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LADS CHECK OUT THE BLOG

BANNERLORD RELEASING ON MARCH

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>>165723578
Well now I know why Bannerlord is never coming out

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>>165723684

>Ginge confirms that the Battanians aren't Welsh
>They're "le epic picts xD"

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>>165723578
absolutely nothing, my life has long since lost meaning and I only continue to live due to biological imperative

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>>165723684

Fake shit

It'll be August EA MP alpha access

>My face when we still have a year to go

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>>165723578
>it's been five fucking years

>>165722916
>>165722953
>>165723252
>>165723297

Leave this general and never come back.

>>165723872
No it hasn't. Announcement was made in September of 2012.

It's only been 4 years and 4 months. But with how things are going, I'll probably be correcting you again next year and say that it's only been 5 years and 4 months.

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>>165723975

>Cao cao posting
>Leave

Kill yourself

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>>165723781
>aren't Welsh
Good.

>>165724156
>
top kek

>>165723975
no u

>>165724117
Cao Cao posting was obnoxious even when the original poster did it. /mbg/ always had the worst memes

>>165724820
why don't you make some quality mountainblade memes then anon

>>165724820
ROTK is a quality empire sim franchise; that was indirectly cited as an inspiration for original M&B (via KOEI games in general), so it is actually a shame that there isn't a quality ROTK mod.

Bannerlord should at the very least copy the empire management interfaces (like the ability to make lord assignments on a map interface or reorganize lord lists) and the ability to create characters and factions without needing to mod the game.

this game is shit

>>165725852
no u

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>>165725585
If they are going to going to allow AI lords to die in Bannerlord I hope assassination/coups will be a thing.

Any mods that let you do hienous shit to peasants/civilians? I feel edgy today.

This game is boring and trash, you would literally have to be autistic to enjoy playing this for more than ten hours

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>>165726680
With ROTK's >600 lords that span roughly 3-4 generations it can handle executions and coups.

What would be great is if Marshall coups could potentially influence an entire region rather than their direct holdings. ROTK has a similar position; such as ROTK 11 's "Viceroy", where you could basically create a sub-kingdom within your own kingdom (by assigning the viceroy lords and fiefs to delegate) and assign their policy (namely defense, domestic, and aggression against a specific faction IIRC).

Bannerlord's kingdom aspect could benefit a lot if they borrowed some ideas from KOEI's sims.

>>165727452
What about the custom officer creator where you can give your character 9 in every skill, 100 in every stat and the most broken battle skills ever?

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>>165727224
do not post these things

>>165727527
What about it? You can also create an NPC kingdom with such demi-gods if you felt so inclined.

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>>165727224
Then leave

>>165727567
Addendum: You can also always do this in M&B by simply importing in a character with maxed everything via notepad editing.

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>>165727567
>what about it?
They're very qt, I'm a fan of overpowered waifus

>>165727876
>that rank
>at 23 years old
>those skills
>has a city already
Honestly surprised she isn't getting burned for being a witch or something

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>>165727876
This anon gets it.

>>165727876
>tfw I made three literally perfect waifus and HAREM'd them all as Lu Bu
ONLY THE STRONGEST

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>>165727876
>I'm a fan of overpowered waifus
One of the many reasons historically accurate Sengoku is a great setting

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Having never played ROTK only NA:SOI & NA:SOI:A should I play ROTK11 or ROTK13?
The only place I can find 11 is on GamersGate.

Is enlisting as a recruit in Floris a fun way to play? The last time I tried it I got stuck waiting in town with some faggot noble all the time, I'm guessing I should chose someone that's always at war like Swadia or constantly fighting bandits like Nords?

why is thrusting so broken? spears are shit in the game
not even swords are good for thrusting

>>165728543
The best way to do it imo is to enlist with the ruler of a faction so that you can advance really quickly by participating in the tournaments when they host a feast. I wouldn't exactly call it really fun, but it is a very efficient way to increase you relation with the ruler, get some easy cash, and get really high tier armor.

>>165728742
no upstab and anims are slow in native
native balance is bad

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>>165728543
ROTK 11 is a solid game. I haven't been able to play ROTK13 yet (in my backlog) but it seems to have similar complaints to ROTK12 in that the battles are too streamlined and simple. One other thing to note is that the premises of the two games is very different: ROTK11 is a pure Empire Sim game (that you can play as king game with some imagination) whereas ROTK13 is designed as a RP sim game with Empire Sim elements (notably you can play as an officer).

Nobunga's Ambition: Iron Triangle is great as is ROTK9 which has similar real time overworld mechanics.

Aside from the setting the KOEI empire sim games tend to be pretty different. KOEI really tries to mix it up between games.

>>165728889
it also sucks in most mods

>>165728958
most mods don't change those

>>165728912
Whoops, this was intended for >>165728537

>>165728543
While Freelancer is a nice novelty and can sometimes be meta to get good equipment early in some mods it tends to be terribly inefficient and can screw your character over if you accidentally desert or your lord gets captured as a prisoner.

Always better to just be a mercenary globally help whatever lord needs help.

>>165728978
so...
the only thing i can do is whine about it?

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Meanwhile, in bizarro /mbg/...

>>165729026
or fix it yourself
read the pastebin

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>anti-pathing spikes
whomever thought placing these at THREE bottlenecks at the very end of the siege needs to be shot.

Getting the last 20 guys tends to take twice as long as the main siege itself because of what a time wasting abomination they are

>>165729068
>playing a dude
Kill yourself lass

>>165729068
husbands are so useless compared to wives playing a female character sucks

>>165729026
>some faggots actually like to play Nords

fucking kill yourselves, khergits forever

>>165729068
You know, I was pretty surprised at first, but I'm glad TW announced Bannerlord just a few short months before they released it. The weekly blog updates really helped build up hype, too.

Shame the game is such absolute shit.

>>165729468
cavalry are gay!

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>>165729068
Protecting and uplifting the peasantry is the birthright of every Noble.

>>165729468
ill do that for you

>>165729468 was meant for >>165728543

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>>165729494
Don't you fucking dare make this a reality.

>>165729506
It technically is part of their responsibility to protect the peasantry at least

>>165729516
That was meant for bizarro post, thanks for the (You) anyway

>>165729591
Bizarro /mbg/ means it will never come true.

Bannerlord will be good.

If it is ever released.

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>>165729506
>>165729502
unironically true

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>>165729657
Protect them from their virginity maybe.

>>165729068
HELP!

I joined the Kingdom of Swadia and Harlaus just won't stop going to war. None of the other factions can stop him because he's such a bloodthirsty maniac. Fuck, I try to organize a feast, but he and the other Lords never attend because Harlaus wants to raze Sargoth or Shariz. How do I make Harlaus more peaceful?

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there are newfags/redditors on /mbg/ RIGHT NOW that don't understand bizarroposting

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>>165729684
It's just a scary thought anon.

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Utter newfag here, how much lewd is added through dickplomacy and how lewd is it

why does everyone gets pissed off by cozur's autism but no one laffed at xpearse's?

>>165730009
who

>>165730009
literally who

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>>165730009

>>165729068
Who's the most humble modder in your opinion? I would say it's Welshdragon.

The whole Custom Knighthood Order thing in Prophesy of Pendor is incredibly interesting.

Shame I can't get into it because
>leather gloves: 500000000000000000000000000000000000000000 denars

I never, never will understand how to get money in this game. I usually cap at 100k and never get more since by this time I have my own kingdom and the garrisons of my cities eat up all my money.

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>>165730009
>xpearse
Literally who

>>165730115
produno

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>>165729068
There has been no greater innovation than walk backwards and fall. This desperately needs to be implemented in Bannerlord else it will be objectively shit on release.

>>165730302
But anon! Bannerlord was already released!

>>165729068
boy i sure love cao cao posting

>>165730435
>bizzaro

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>>165730435
Cao Cao has been and will continue to be discussed for many more centuries if not millennia. Just going to have to deal with it anon.

>>165730527
the chinese people are a meme and romanticize their history to the point where it's on par with dungeons and dragons in terms of accuracy

>>165730591
So it's extremely accurate then?

I'm at least glad that /mbg/ isn't a pro-Shu general. Whether you like or hate Cao Cao we can at least all agree that the Wu lads were the best.

lads how do I open the dev console in PooP?

>>165730591
t. uneducated scum who thinks RotK is a record of history

>>165730664
>we can at least all agree that the Wu lads were the best
Only in Dynasty Warriors, Wei a best in reality.

Shu is always shit though.

>>165730591
>point where it's on par with dungeons and dragons in terms of accuracy
Not only is D&D rad but as a basis for multiple fictional settings (like Forgotten Realms and Planescape) that would make unerringly accurate

>>165730743
D&D is terrible babby's first tabletop ruleset

>>165730743
>tfw no one to play D&D with

>>165730591
>implying D&D is not accurate
Sheltered little boy hasn't even seen elder black puddings

>>165730793
>playing rulesets and settings without modifying them at least somewhat
Literally the only way this would work is if you were doing those one-off or kick-the-dungeon type games

>>165728889
Literally the only mod I've played where spears have been god tier is gekonew/gekonewer

>>165730664
>>165730714
What's the difference between Shu, Wu, and Wei?

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>>165731092
play more mods

>>165731171
Wei are the big dick winners who won the sangoku and had the most talented leader, and who weren't afraid to take the gloves off and be dicks but still built a strong nation

Shu are the hypocrites who constantly bitched and moaned that muh Wei are ebil but got their shitters shattered at every turn and betrayed everyone and lost hard

Wu are the third wheel who lost any hope of winning early on and just played both sides while slowly fading into irrelevancy

>>165731184
Should've been more clear with what I said, I meant when AI is using them

>>165731293
>Wei are the big dick winners who won the sangoku
You mean Jin.

>>165731171
Cao Cao predates the Sangoku but he never betrayed the Han until the very end, acting only as Chancellor
Wu had the Imperial Seal so they had some claim to being the true unifier
Shu were retarded usurping faggots

>>165731354
I excluded Jin because they showed up after all three nations had degraded to shells of their former selves if they even existed at all

>>165731320
spearmen are good in 1257 and VC
if you wanna make em good yourself all you really have to do is add upstab, 1h upstab, anim fixes, and take off penalty with shield flags for spears

>>165731415
I mean Jin were the ones who actually won. Wei obviously had the upper hand but they weren't even close to winning.

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>>165731171
>>165731293
Wei laid the foundation for unification and Cao Cao was a particularly adept and inspired leader.

Shu were the last vestigates of the carcass that was the Han empire and while they are overrated in many ways they did rebound remarkably at around the time they conquered Han Zhong from Wei and peaked during Guan Yu's initial invasion.

Wu developed the then undeveloped Southern China into an economic powerhouse; starting the string of "Southern Dynasties" and most combat was historically between Wu and Wei in the later era. When Jin got overwhelmed by northern barbarians they basically retreated to Wu's former lands and became Wu 2.0

While Jin ended up unifying China in the end it was a laughably short unification such that it is barely a footnote of the period.

>>165731293
>>165731397
So they all lost, but Wei (which is related to Cao Cao?) was better than the rest of them?

>>165731497
Jin "won" by usurping the framework and resources that Wei had built after their leaders went to shit. Rather then actually fighting it out between nation states, they took over the most powerful one from the inside after the actual war of the three kingdoms was over.

They were still the winners at the end of the day but they didn't operate under the same system the other three nations did. They also destroyed their own nation in less time then Wei degenerated and far more violently and thoroughly.

>>165731576
Wei, which was founded by Cao Cao and led by his sons after he died, effectively defeated Shu and Wu, but Cao Cao's family line was overthrown in a coup by the Sima clan which then started the Jin dynasty and destroyed everything Cao Cao had built.

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>>165731576
ROTK is an interesting setting partly because all of the heroes are tragic figures.

Since the setting reached a deadlock due to the three factions being unable to beat each other it also makes for a good game setting.

Eras that predate the official Three Kingdoms era also end up being interesting due to the sheer number of Warlords, chaos, and heroic figures (such as Lu Bu)

>>165731667
>effectively defeated Shu and Wu
Wu technically outlived both Shu and Wei by decades and could have outlasted Jin if they didn't have a psychotic emperor to match Jin's later retarded Emperor.

>>165731787
They were still around but their chances at unification were pretty piss poor. Wu had peaked by then.

>>165729068
Bannerlord is fun guys

>>165731892
Wu still had competent commanders even at the end with figures such as Lu Kang. But thats irrelevant as Wu wouldn't need to militaristically defeat Jin -- Jin was set to implode as history shows. In this case it would be less that Wu unifies China but that Wu wins by default as the last "legitimate" Chinese Dynasty.

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What are some RTS mods for warband?

>>165732649
none exist

>>165732616
>Wu still had competent commanders even at the end with figures such as Lu Kang.
Competent maybe but Wu still suffered a crushing military defeat once Jin had stabilised the take over.

Hypothetically speaking if they had somehow managed to survive long enough for Jin to fuck themselves up they would have won, but for that to happen both their leadership and the prospects of their nation in pretty much every category would have needed to be much better in the first place and drastic changes would have needed to have taken place decades before. Wu had already lost the war of the three kingdoms before Jin took over.

>>165732853
Are you sure?

>>165732902
It took Jin ~15 years before they finally conquered Wu. Not certain what you are referring to by "crushing defeat." Wu had terrible corruption under Sun Hao and even then Jin had to organize a massive invasion to finally finish off Wu.

>>165733071
>attacked in 279
>won in 280
>15 years
u wot

>>165733150
>Jin was established in 265
>Jin unified China in 280
And yes the final invasion was hardly a small task

>>165732985
99%

>>165733263
They didn't attack immediately after being established because it was a literal coup, there's shit you need to do. Then the invasion had to be planned out and prepared for, which was a pretty big deal seeing as the final plan was a 6 front assault on Wu to finally wipe them out for good. And then the actual invasion itself was only a year long and a pretty large chunk of Wu defected rather then fight at all, to the point where the last Sun just gave up.

Deciding to not piss around with your last actual obstacle to uniting China after your clan spends decades planning a coup and throwing an overwhelming force at the enemy who then utterly disintegrate is far from the idea of Wu still being a strong independent nation state that was a major threat. Wu had already lost before the invasion had even begun. You can make hypothetical situations where they wouldn't have been in such a poor state but the changes involved would be pretty significant.

>>165733967
>It Ain't Me starts playing

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>>165734043
i ain't no rhodok's son

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>>165734043
I ain't no captain-majors son?

>start warband
>immediately get fucking shit on
>stop warband

I'm never going to be able to beat NPCs through anything other than backstabbing.

Say what you want about Perisno, but the new giant factions are so much god damn fun to play

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>>165734229
>>165734261
You are doing His work anons. Keep it up.

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>>165733967
>>165734261
It's really fun at first but then gets kinda boring, to build a gun line in the back and a pike formation in the front, I need to try a different tactic in both geko and swedmayo

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>>165733967
>>165734261
>>165734492
>>165734569
gook removal is pretty fun, the formation AI is rubbish in geko though, which is weird since it uses the same formations thing as every other mod

>>165734569
Portuguese Crossbows > Aqruebusiers unless you are fighting heavily armored opponents (which is essentially only Spanish Conquistadors).

Pike and shot actually gets outshone in Gekokujo by mass archer Samurai

>>165734740
you mean the lack of any formation AI since it's native AI?

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>>165735194
yeah, but you can use advanced formations its a shame the AI can't

>>165735059
true, but I wanted muh pike and shot, got kinda bored of it though, and I am now thinking of an alternative that doesn't involve mass ranged spam

>>165735264
AI kind of uses WFAS formations, since units by default are in one WFAS row when they're enabled rather than one native row, which the difference is the WFAS row is staggered while the native row is straight

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>You will never have a pure steppe waifu

Why even live?

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>>165735975
;_;

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>>165735975
>you will never have a waifu
stop reminding me m8

>>165736153
You can have a waifu just by wanting one anon

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>>165735975
>>165736010
>>165736153
>you will never have a Sergalio filled with exotic women from all across the land
pls stop this

>>165734229
Blood and Gold would be so much better if it didn't have the dumb as fuck unit command method on land

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>>165736548

>>165736153
>dreadlocks

hmm

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>>165735975
>You will never hang pure steppe waifus for being sub-human horse fuggers
D:

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>>165736763

>>165729068
Bannerlord was fun but we are all glad M&B3 is coming out next week.

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>>165735975
>1257AD doesn't allow you to bring your waifu to battle
A waifu lacking power draw 10 is no true waifu

>>165729068
I sure love the gameplay changes in M&B:B.

I honestly couldn't play M&B:W. Battles were too difficult, I am glad they put a regenerating health feature.
Plus it's better now that you can only use sword and shield, the other weapons were too confusing and awfully designed.

And it's also much better now that there's only a single player linear campaign. I never knew what to do in the old game, too much freedom is bad.

>>165726680
What movie?

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>>165737054
This sounds too real

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>>165737102
A Clockwork Orange

>>165737114
it is

my dad works at taleworlds

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I'm posting this every thread to honour the anon's dying wish.

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>>165737054
>Plus it's better now that you can only use sword...
TOO FAR

Nova Aetas.

Worth trying?

>>165737597
Yeah
Not much more

What is a good SP mod for Warband featuring Invasions? M&B classic had god-tier Sword of Damocles, but Dark Knight Invasion in various native expansions is pretty lame and generic.

>>165737597
It's alright.


source code pls

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>give Emirate of Grenada random territory in present day Sweden that I didn't want due to defection
>Sultan claims ownership of town
>The moment war is declared immediately conquer all of Sultan's territories in Iberian Peninsula
>Never deal with organized reprisal the entire invasion
Still took forever to conquer the Iberian Peninsula though. Northern coast of Africa up to the Italian Peninsula, then the Italian Peninsula is the next course of action.

>lord complains that i have come like a jackel to a lions kill
>game does not give me the option to offer him my share of the spoils

Is there a submod or something for brytenwalda so that spears can be used like in viking conquest because now spear suck balls and even high tier spearmen can lose against a bandit with an axe.

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DED

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THERE'S NO EASY WAY OUT

THERE'S NO SHORTCUT HOME

THERE'S NO EASY WAY OUT

GIVIN' IN CAN'T BE WRONG

anon's modded ad1257 spears are way too strong imo, my companions with excellent armour drop from a single spear stab by some shitsmeared latin hobo, the fact that the AI blindly runs into the stab adding a large speed modifier to it doesn't help either

>come to mbg
>Just scrolling through weeb trash
Can you faggots just fucking kill yourselves already?

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>>165741228
they are simply bumping the thread

>19 recruits
Is that because i built the mill.

>>165741624
>21 militia
Woo no more having to travel all over the dam place for troops and i get a head start on them.

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>>165741228
No

With my empire growing I am going to have to change policy in how I deal with 100 locked lords. With 135 max devoted lords; 66 presently under my employ, the 111 towns and +200 castles are going to have to be split quite a bit more leniently. So a dramatic policy shift:

1) All towns and it's associated villages will be owned by a lord
2) All castles in proximity to the town will be owned by the lord with villages kept unoccupied for whining lords
3) If a lord has high renown they may be assigned multiple towns
4) Lords of the starting territories; especially castle only lords, are initially exempt of the proximity rule within reason

I suppose Lords like Joao will very soon be pretty common

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>>165741228

>Weeb shit on an anime website

How could this happen?

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>>165741868
Are you...asking for advice, or is this some sort of AAR? Did you forget a picture?

>>165741228
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>>165741868
Forgot image

Good thing AI doesn't suffer from tax inefficiency (?)

http://www.pcgamer.com/mount-blade-2-bannerlord-creators-give-update-on-development-progress/

>

>>165741960
I NEVER ask for advice. EVERRRR

My initial intention was to query everyone which lord of theirs has a high number of fiefs. Then I realized there are probably plenty of lazy players who just give all of their lands to a single devoted lord so maybe this isn't unique at all. So it just became a show and tell.

Although I am kind of curious just how many fief heavy lords some players have. Especially if this is part of their normal play and not them being contrarian.

As a stray sleepy thought I also wonder if anyone knows if Husband (of female players) relations is locked at 100 or if it is possible for the husband to defect. Easy mode would theoretically be to just give all castle and towns to your husband so that you not only have an eternally devoted Lord but one whom you also have full garrison control over.

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>>165742072
>"Unfortunately it's not the right time (or really the right platform) to talk about unrevealed aspects of these features. Nothing is a guarantee and although we try to avoid it, everything has the potential to be changed entirely or dropped altogether; such is the nature of game development," he wrote. "However, we have made every effort to ensure that features we mention are either fully/partially implemented or planned with a very high degree of certainty (which isn't a response to the actions of or reactions to actions of any other company—it has always been our approach!). We don't just mention things without consideration and permanent character death is still something you can expect to see in the game. That hasn't changed. It's simply the case that discussing finer details of the feature wouldn't be appropriate right now, to avoid giving information that could end up misleading, in relation to Bannerlord as a final product."
GINGERRRRRRRRRRRRR

>>165741903
Fuck off back to /a/ you faggot cunt

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>>165742331
If you want reaction pictures you should be more honest

>>165742262
>everything has the potential to be changed entirely or dropped altogether
what really bothers me is that after 5 years since announcement they are still at the stage when they can drop or significantly change features, at this point they should just be polishing and bug testing, for fucks sake, just release an expansion or dlc later on

their company seems to lack direction

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>>165742397
>their company seems to lack direction
Their company completely lacks direction
We've know it for a while already and it is terrible.

>>165742072
That's it anons, I've done 5 years and I don't wanna wait any longer, fuck mount and blade, fuck bannerlord and fuck taleworlds, I'm out

>>165742139
Why is co-op even under consideration? This has some pretty severe core design changes outside of something basic like co-op in custom battles (which is already done in multiplayer). The only way it could be theoretically feasible is something like this:

1) Pause function disabled in world map in all contexts. Inventory, party screen, character reports, and all other menus do not freeze time. (Player would likely have to do compound tasks in castles/towns else be ambushed)

2) Disable fast forward function on map

3a) When the player is in-combat the world map does not stop.

3b alt) All players not directly involved in combat can choose which side and later which soldier they want to control. Afterwards it functions like battle continuation mod on death.

Lack of fast forward on the map would kill the game for me.

Not having the world map freeze when the player is in combat would be great even without co-op. This way the player is functioning on similar rules to the AI and enemies (and allies) can receive reinforcements mid battle.

>>165742576
>Why is co-op even under consideration
It isn't, they firmly said no for years and this time they said 'it's probably not happening but we'll """think""" about it' i.e. 'just shut the fuck up'.

>>165742576
This was intended as a reply for: >>165742072

And Talesworld should really at the least have Bannerlord feature complete with polish being the only emphasis at some point.

Losing the lead engine designer seems like a pretty big deal as well. Especially if they are still modifying the engine to accommodate new features.

>>165742576
Or just have co-op players make their own companion character for your game? He would then act as one of your followers that would show up in scenes and battles

>>165742708
If all the other player is going to do is participate in battles and scenes they may as well just play custom battle equivalents.

Whats the point if they can't equally participate in world state shenanigans and raise independent armies?

>>165742795
Because you can't take part in campaign and lead your own armies in MP custom battles with bots?
I'd rather play as a household knight for the main character than just having a MP campaign map since that'd fuck the game up

>>165742865
You can accommodate that much more easily by simply expanding custom and multiplayer battle options.

>>165742940
No you can't
I want something like battle time with more control over the players and custom hero's for them
I want co-op campaign not just MP commander battles against bots

>>165742940
And by expanding battle options -- In this case its just giving full control of deployed AI bots on both sides along with giving the other players the options of using their own character in-combat.

And besides can you imagine how boring it is if the other player(s) are literally just waiting around for combat to start? And later if combat could not be initiated until ALL players specify they are ready?

>>165743032
>I want co-op campaign
I don't think you have any idea what you are asking for m8. Especially if the other players are literally just waiting for the player to initiate combat or initiate scenes (like walking around towns/villages) before they could do ANYTHING

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>>165743121
>>165743056
Nigger I know what I want and it's a more functioning version of battle time
I've played a co-op campaign with battle time, it's fun to play single player with your bros even if you are just a random dude
I want it to actuate function in campaign though without all the bullshit, I don't just want fucking multiplayer battles, I want to join my friend on his god damn path to lordship and conquest as one of his household and captains

>>165743324
What does "more functional" even mean?

This form of; essentially treating any random battle as a multiplayer hosting session, is already proven as possible via mods with Battle-time. If that mod has your needs then wait for Bannerlord's iteration of the mod to come out rather than putting Bannerlord in further development hell.

>>165742072
>can't talk about that :^)
just fucking end it

>>165742523
don't worry, I just started playing M&B so that means it will probably be released in a month or two

>My 18 companion Warband is so strong that lords with ~80 troops give me no renown
This added with the extreme renown decay I am presently suffering due to this game going on for so long (>1000 days) is suffering

>>165743689
It means it's not a broken script extender required system that amounts to waiting on the main menu without any view of what's going on waiting for battles, I want to be a character in the god damn players game, that can look at our party, my character and what the fuck is going on in game
And sorry asking for features for an incomplete game that's been slow as fuck for years on a Korean trip hop forum, I'm sure it'll make it take so much more to complete the game because of my musing

>>165744170
>that amounts to waiting on the main menu without any view of what's going on waiting for battles
You do realize that either way there is going to be excessive downtime of inactivity right? Aside from nuance nothing functionally changes from the non-host's perspective. Since all you are doing collaboratively is essentially combat (because aimlessly wandering around villages/castles/towns is SO FUN, especially when the other players can't initiate interactions!) why should they bother creating a half-ass co-op feature that can have all of it's best features focused on in custom battles and multiplayer.

Hell if it bothers you so much that you are passively looking at the menu screen rather than passively looking at the host traveling the map and going through menus you may as well just video stream through Steam to get the desired effect. Personally I would surf the web and just get the best bit of this passive interaction via text/voice chat.

>>165744550
Being able to see where the fuck were going on the map, see what troops the host has given me to control, see what my character stats and gear is is a lot fucking better, and something I would be completely fine in over just sitting on the fucking main menu, how are you so fucking dense to not understand this?
And maybe, just maybe they should make it so there's more interactivity within the group and within towns and other scenes, and I'm talking besides just for co-op since warband fucking sucks here
And you're talking a lot about down time, what does the main player do when not fighting or in towns besides watch the map and click occasionally?

>>165744796
You already have this capability via Steam streaming as I had mentioned earlier.

Desperately trying to make towns more exciting for minority co-op mode is a bit sad. Frankly I don't understand why Talesworld insists on putting so much emphasis on making more dynamic town scenes when most mods abstract towns to fundamentally menus as a design improvement. Very few people want to look for the Village Elder, Guild Master, or walk to a merchant every single time.

The only improvement that needs to be made in your janky idea of co-op is to allow the game-state of other player's games to be suspended for the multiplayer hosting session so that the obsessive and bossy host doesn't keep his friends as utter hostages while everyone waits on their ass for him to start a battle at his leisure.

>>165745149
>Stop liking what I don't like
I said I wanted scenes to be better and have more interaction besides co-op, meaning for single player too, are you capable of reading?
Streaming the other player and making him open up menu sheets so I can look at stuff over steam is not the same fucking thing you deluded spastic, I want to be part of his fucking g game as my own character

>>165745316
>I want to be part of his fucking g game as my own character
That can fundamentally only participate in combat. I can understand wanting co-op but the way I see it there are two scenarios:

1) Janky ass co-op that may as well be custom battles
2) World state encompassing co-op that; while theoretically interesting, demands many fundamental engine redesigns and would only appeal to an extremely small minority of the base.

#1 is so half-ass it may as well not be pursued outside of mods (which it already has been). #2 isn't worth the investment especially as the devs stating no intention of pursuing it and the many redesigns it would take to make it feasible.

>>165745149
Pretty sure they mentioned in a blog or video that they were already trying to make towns more interactive with more people to see and visit

>>165745506
Why does a hypothetical scenario for a game that isn't finished always janky?
And believe it or not, combat is by far the best part of the current mount and blade games, what the fuck are you playing it for?

>>165745520
The gambling games and many screen shots emphasizing the towns make this very clear.

The thing though is that seems to be ignoring one of the most popular mod changes; such that it is basically universal, is allowing the player to immediately talk to the guild master and village elder.

If they want to make players excited about castle and town scenes they would allow players to both preview the battle site and customize the fortifications. Alternatively focus on the sim elements of allowing players to develop the domestic aspects and SEEING those changes.

Having random inane quests and gambling games is just more things to add to scope that I am quite certain most players will ignore unless the gambling meta is really dumb.

>>165745665
>And believe it or not, combat is by far the best part of the current mount and blade games, what the fuck are you playing it for?
Yes... Which you can get much more faster with custom battles and multiplayer. Especially if Talesworld expanded the options as I had mentioned from the beginning.

If you are only playing for combat then why are you so insistent on having your "friends" hostage while you aimlessly wander the map and try to woo you waifu with gifts and poems?

>>165745731
>Preview the battle site
You mean like, you know the walk around the town/walls/village feature that shows you the town/walls/village?

>>165745804
So you can actually see what you are going to invade before you invade.

I tend to float around with multiple load outs so knowing when my Polearm or Crossbow would be preferable without meta would be nice.

>>165745804
The scene you see when you defend/invade and when you wander the streets are not the same for castles and town m8

>>165745803
Why are you strawmanning so hard? I never said I would host, I didn't host when we played battle time, why are you assuming I'd just avoid combat stop making stupid assumptions faggot
And why even bother playing SP at all, it's quicker to play custom battles?
Or maybe people like developing their character as they go through an RPG, from fighting small bands of raiders up things army, and maybe people would enjoy doing this with a convenient no bullshit co-op mode where the other players get to be their own custom character?

>>165745994
>And why even bother playing SP at all, it's quicker to play custom battles?
You're the one whom stated that in the first place. I am simply directing you to an efficient venue that doesn't hold other people hostage.

Building "your" army is nice yes. Unfortunately with the co-op you are proposing only the host is building an army. In fact with this "co-op" the host is doing everything solo outside of combat. So yes I call it "half ass" with pretty good justification. May as well be a partial mod.

>>165746103
I'm also proposing that the co-op players serve as captains, they could have their won retinues as I said, their own troops to command and deal with, they'd also be the hosts household
What kind of autistic no fun friends do you have that are so fucking keen on 'holding you hostage' if you play a co-op game where they have a bit more control over you, like the lord would have over his household

>>165746103
>Unfortunately with the co-op you are proposing only the host is building an army. In fact with this "co-op" the host is doing everything solo outside of combat.
Not that guy but considering how many people in this general seem to enjoy Freelancer that doesn't seem like such a bad thing. I don't like Freelancer but I think it could be fun if the army leader was a player.

>a companion wearing extremely valuable armour died in VC story
>I don't get the armour back
rip in piss Bodo

reminder that Bannerlord never ever

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>>165746297
>my town with all the soldiers I had as a garrison is also handed over to the enemy kingdom
what the fuck?! I have to revert to an ancient save file just to move the garrison over

>>165746267
So now completely new mechanics to accommodate !Battle-Time to make it a little less lame? OK, that won't negatively add scope for an already limited format. It helps that these co-op allies can recruit and train these soldiers independently. Oh wait they can't because they are bound to the host.

>>165746285
Freelancer is actually a good example of what happens when you implement a new feature without considering the engine design. Freelancer is fundamentally broken with the present engine due to AI lords not being able to handle player combat state logic.

To put it simply: Lords will enter ongoing battles with the assumption that the world state will continue and other lords will dog-pile in after them. The player explicitly denies this by initiating combat and freezing the world map.

Then you have other things as well. Like the luck and renown system penalizing high play time while Freelancer implicitly bloats player inactivity. Or when your lord is imprisoned and Freelancer still wants you to report to your lord on time else be seen as a deserter.

Non-trivial changes demand engine changes. Change enough of the engine and you don't even have the same game any longer. Make a bunch of mode specific engine changes and you are fundamentally creating multiple games. Project scope is a thing and its this type of thinking that may make Bannerlord vaporware.

>>165746908
It's almost if all those freelancer AI issues wouldn't matter if the party was led by a host

>>165746908
>Completly new mechanics
>In a game that isn't out nor complete in a discussion that's complete hyperbole about new game mechanics
Neck yourself retard

>>165746998
>Misses the point completely
The point was on project scope and engine design. Bannerlord is already excessively over its deadline without even a finalized feature list and you want to add something like co-op? Ridiculous.

>>165747046
>06:57:47
>06:58:47
Not even trying to be subtle I see.

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>>165722861
>how would you like to die senpai

>>165747154
I'm not sure I could even post with an image exactly one minute after my last post even if I wanted to.

>>165747154
I want co-op, I would enjoy it, I'm not fucking demanding that they prolong the development cycle to add it, I'm just saying what I'd want and how I'd want it you autistic faggot
And no, that second post wasn't me, I'm just clearly not the only person that thinks you're a fucking sperg

>>165747259
You can que posts while the timer is going

How do i make money at the start of vc?

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>>165747154
>>165747259
Yepp you need to wait 2 minutes. Good samefag spotting, retard.

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>>165747154
>>165747306
Say "A" really loud, anon!

The delay between a post and another one with an image is about two minutes

>Make feast ---> People go to your town and spend their money ----> wealth of the town grows -----> more taxes to make feasts

Is harlaus a mastermind?

>>165747362
>>165747404
eh, I was wrong about the timer. w/e

Saying I fundamentally dislike all the whining about co-op due to concerns about project scope; when everyone is constantly dreading Bannerlord being in vaporware limbo, shouldn't be an unreasonable position to take. But hey if you want Bannerlord to be vaporware keep whining and maybe they will add it to the bucket list of stuff and delay it even further.

And no this isn't a minor concern since even the article felt the need to address the co-op concern. And you have that massive steam topic about co-op as well.

>>165747127
If you endlessly add new mechanics without any concern for project scope all you are going to do is have an endless project that never releases. Hey that sounds familiar...

>>165747642
>You
No, they do, and they probably felt the need to address it because it's probably a very popular idea on the taleworlds and steam forums, my ramblings here getting seen by an autistic fag, a few random anons and maybe that ginger bastard lurking
Your point has gone from how its boring and it'll be holding the other players 'hostage' (topkek) to now you're just concerned about a game we've been calling dead and vaporware for years is taking too long and these comments might prolong that?
Neck yourself spastic

>>165742576
fuck off reddit/steam forum

>>165747805
I was exaggerating to emphasize why your vision of co-op would likely not be popular. Your idea of co-op fundamentally has the other players passive until combat starts. In a sand box sim game. Do you really not see the problem with this? Note that I did not start saying this until after you presented your Battle Time modeled concept of co-op.

I am not saying that co-op is implicitly boring. I am saying that your vision of co-op is boring, half-ass, and janky for an independent mode.

If the only benefit of this co-op mode is collaborative combat then emphasize that in the mode that is designed around efficient initiation of combat.

>>165748130
Like telling the host,
>hey let's go kill some people
Wow that's really hard to do
If this hypothetical mode existed, and you were playing with someone who was determined to stand on the spot and avoid any combat at all costs, here's an idea, how about you just don't play with him, or better yet, just don't fucking play co-op at all, clearly your sperg friends have left a bad impression on you

>>165747341
fight ruffians, sell their gear, rinse and repeat.

>>165748130
>The only benefit
Besides the already mentioned actually having your own soldiers and character that you progress with like you're supposed to in an RPG

>>165748308
Not always feasible without negative repercussions or excessive killing of junk bandits. That you seem to think there will be no downtime between combat makes me think you just forgot or never played SP. The most obvious example being peace time. Even mercs will frequently find themselves at peace time.

>>165746297
>>165746583
>old save is really old, have to do the retarded take a castle smack in the middle of welsh territory quest all over again
>very high controversy so no lord joins me when I call for a campaign
>can't even post the count fuckmyshitup.jpg because its already posted in the thread
JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP

>>165748663
I know there will be downtime spastic, there's downtime in fucking SP mount and blade, ever god damn MP turn based strategy game I've ever played, I know what fucking down time is you moron, as far as it goes being on the m&b map moving about takes a whole lot less than other co-op and multiplayer games

>>165748626
Only the host has their own soldiers in this format. That the host can divvy up his army to the co-op players does not change this fact.

Its not uncommon for multiplayer formats to enable player/character progression. If anything its more common than uncommon presently.

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>>165729506
>>165729657
>>165729703
Patrolling my lands to protect my peasants and their livelihood is by far my favorite part of the game.

That is the true height of nobility.

>>165749014
>knocked unconscious by Jeremus
Its good to see Jeremus kicking ass even when players refuse to train or equip him properly

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>>165749094
>people who doubt Jeremus

>>165749014
>Tfw you arrive just as the enemy lord is done and leaving
Always butcher them to a man, always lock the lord away and refuse ransoms if I capture him too
Fuckers

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stop giving devs co-op idea. you could delayed the game even more. they lurk on here

>>165749158
Is there a way to apply brainybots to just certain NPC's?
I want to make Jeremus solo armies

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>>165749209
desu if it means a great game being developed then I don't mind

what's one more year for /mbg/ at this point

>>165749209
They only implemented a tiny tweak that is upstab after we kept telling Frank directly for ages

>>165748792
The difference between those other MP strategy games and your idea of M&B co-op is that the other players likely had full and equal access to the game mechanics of the game.

Individual turns in turn based games can actually be surprisingly fast if all parties know what they are doing.

>>165749209
God bless you anon

>>165749294
foul co-op heathen

>>165749209
D-do you think the qts lurk on here?

>>165749463
nah just meant in general, don't care much about co-op

>>165749352
Not him but off the top of my head disciple mode on dominions involves only one of the players on the team having control of the god and as such head of the religion and usually is the one required to actually win the game

>>165749482
Oh? You really wanna know, anon?

>>165749510
Now that I think about it all of the co-op Empire Sim or 4x games I can think of are turn based. Dominion included. And while Dominion may have one player subordinate to another I wonder if the game binds the other players so much in regards to core gameplay mechanics.

Its one thing to have one player subordinate to another in regards to such things as in-game faction status and win state. Its another thing to deny all non-host players all but one gameplay feature. Being able to do any independent action on the world map and build your own army in particular is a pretty major feature for a war game.

I also actually can't think of any real time collaborative empire sim games. Trying to make the distinction here as there are plenty of RTS out there but they aren't comparable at all IMO. Namely as there is no world map - combat phase distinction.

>>165750173
Not the same anon but I always want to know more about qts

>>165750185
But this mode doesn't exist, and there's more to the game than just freedom on campaign map, plenty of people play freelancer, it sounds like he wants freelancer with a bit more autonomy and that it's co-op and led by a player
That sounds pretty good to me tbqh

>>165746542
reminder that good invasion mod for WB never ever

>>165750448
Has anyone looked at nigger rigging ginges nigger rigged invasion mode for other mods?

>>165750497
i meant singleplayer mods
>mods for mp
Disgusting

>>165750535
What do you mean single player invasion? Just like invasion but by yourself?

>>165750605
No, I mean like mods that feature an invasion of Calradia by some army(and not those fucking shitty dark knights one)

>>165750734
oh also not only calradia, everything really, but not by dark knights please

>>165750734
Well I certainly can't think of any good mods like that but acock and perisno both have invasions by factions

>>165750393
I never objected to the existence to this form of co-op as an independent mod. I just object to this as a core feature for Bannerlord. Doubly so if new features were designed to accommodate this; such as the "captain" idea mentioned earlier. Hopefully Bannerlord's modding is powerful enough to allow players to share world map state before initiating the multiplayer session each combat.

>>165751208
I can't imagine it will be if warband is anything to go by, nor will that anons idea of co-op likely be possible to mod in, again judging by it's impossibility in warband
And it's not like ginge is gonna look at this conversation and decide to radically change the game, despite already being bombarded by shit from steam and taleworlds forums
To me anon it looks like you just don't like what other people like

>>165750734
Whats wrong with the Dark Knight invasion? Don't like the experience of fighting a more elite army for once?

Dark Knights aren't even that great outside of their Cavalry. Especially their archers due to being prima donnas thats refuse to wear helmets.

>>165749336
Upstab is really something that should have been in M&B the moment directional blocking was conceived though. Having weapons that could only attack in one direction (One handed spears) with a directional blocking system is completely retarded

>>165750734
Bannerlord would be migration era the game, if it ever comes out.

>>165751940
Exactly, and it took all that to make sure something so simple and vital was in

>>165749294
>what's one more year for /mbg/ at this point
Death for some of us ?

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How do I use kicking to kill people?

I'm trying to get the upper hand against bots in Brainybots, but they keep kicking my ass.
I've tried kicking but it seems impossible to sting a weapon and kick someone at the same time; either the attack is cancelled and the kick completely wasted or it comes afterwards the kick and the bot is already blocking ready to kick my shit in alongside its 20 friends.

>>165751809
No, I meant that they are generic as fuck and have no real personality, not talking about a challenge they present, which is pretty good actually..

Taleworld Frank if i am correct about your name, please tell that turkish guy to stop delaying the game and focus on the SP thank you.

>>165723578
gonna finish uni at this rate, that's what

>>165730207
I think I'll end up buying it though, evenif I don't like 15th century that much
Just need to get my medieval fix while waiting for Bannerlord

>>165723578
>What's changed
Got a diploma and heading to the next diploma.

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>>165752327
Well, Dark Knights are from the same pre-release fantasy era where undead were casually roaming Calradia IIRC.

I actually kind of like that they resemble the Roslolian Dark Knights of Tactic Ogre now that I think of it. Both in theme, relative troop strength, and that they are a motivation to unite Calradia/Valeria against a foreign aggressor.

Harlaus is a NIGGER

>>165754607
Nizar*

>>165723872
>I knew I shouldn't have left home
>I wonder if Harald is still waiting for me
>If I go back now can I still get married?
>I wonder if this scar will heal
>my butt hurts
>I'm going to get a train run on me again tonight right
>it's a dangerous day though
>I wish they had a bard to keep me company
>my clothes are filthy
>I'm hungry
>I wonder what my brothers are doing

>>165754848
I wonder how many guard soldier's babies she gave birth to

>>165755614
fempc is pure. PURE

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>>165723578
Got brain cancer and might not get to play it

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>>165755925

>>165723578
I did coke and I'm still a kissless virgin

>>165756414
Coke is shit unless you're rich as fuck or as spic

>be dumb t*rks
>annouce game at the start of development cycle
>almost 5 years later
>no release date in sight
>haven't even finished adding features
Thanks Erdogan

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>>165754607
Harlaus is Undead

>>165756589
He's probably a spic. This is /mbg/ after all.

>>165756589
The stuff we got was pretty good. Neither a spic or particularly rich (it was pretty expensive though).

>>165756675
That lady(?) has pretty broad shoulders...

>>165756606
It's ridiculous they refuse to give us any new information because "it might change" even though they're 5 years into the development cycle so shouldn't they just be polishing and not changing any major features at this point? Despite what we've seen, I don't think Bannerlord is going to be as good as we want it to be.

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>>165756990

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>tfw no Second Renaissance mod

>>165757171
is that VC?

>>165757874
Of course, don't you recognize a strong, nord woman ?

>>165757958
dark age mod or regular VC?

>>165758118
Regular

>>165757008
If M&B and Warband are any indication so long as Bannerlord just has to be comparable to M&B and Warband. The long term quality of this game will be in the game engine and modding potential.

Personally I suspect they are fiddling around with random single player nuances too much. So long as the features they are playing with don't break the engine just make it toggle-able as the Brytenwalda devs did for that walk backwards and trip abomination. I find it a bit silly that the devs seem obsessed with random nuances with player mortality when games with similar premises (like ROTK) will frequently enable you to modify historic lifespans and even have a mode ("Rise of heroes") where everyone is fundamentally immortal.

If they are worried about random balance issues with the factions they can just patch it after release. The meta of a single player game being initially broken can even be a source of humor and fun -- So long as the game unstable with random crashes that is.

I remember reading that Talesworld decided to completely remove competent mounted archer AI in playtesting due to difficulty -- If this is true thats a real damn shame since I imagine most of the veteran community would have loved to enable this much as many of us have long since enabled full damage.

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Docm is posting new models again and somebody asked if he was changing the gameplay too and he replied "I'm changing it all".

NEVER
EVER

>>165756606
>haven't even finished adding features
This isn't a problem, Ginge told me so himself.

>>165759372
I hope he adds troop wages. I understand that the state paid for everything, but igameplay wise it was a complete joke. At this rate bannerlord will come out before an update to L'Aigle.

>>165752176
Sounds like you have default brainybot settings which makes them godlike. Refer to anon's pastebin and there is an image with some more maneagable brainy bot settings.

>>165759889
can you image, what if he's doing these models only for bannerlord, and warband l'aigle is cancelled?

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>>165760063
No, I have even easier settings than those in the recommended pastebin and I'm still getting my ass kicked.

Can't even beat a pair of naked peasants in the Train Peasant quests because they kepe ganking my ass, let alone three.

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>>165760103
you won't just be able to convert Warband models for Bannerlord.

I could see him updating L'Aigle even if Bannerlord is released, he seems more determined to push the Warband engine to its limits than releasing a mod a lot of people will play.

I dont even blame them for taking their time with Bannerlord

What i blame them for is their shitty ass communication which leaves so much room open for speculations (either give regular honest updates or do the Blizzard,Rockstar thing "when its done")

Thanks to that a lot of mods have ceased development and instead a bunch of Bannerlord projects have cropped up since everyone figured the game would be right around the corner

>>165760261
My mistake then, pretty sure you just need to git gud in that case. Simpley consistantly blocking the AI and swing back immediately is all you need to do in order to win most of the time.
Looks like your kick chance range is still higher though.

imma try dark ages with vc new stuff
wish me luck

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post 'em lads.

>>165761029
how did you attempt to merge them?

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>>165761478
lol i aint no pussy ass faggot ill just paste and replace everything on my vc new stuff folder

>>165762217
that's not going to work dummy

>>165762217
I think he means that there are multiple optional features you can install, some of which are incompatible with each other.

The items from the 1.5.2 pack or the 1.6 one for example.

>>165762539
no I mean it's not going to work if you just paste one over the other because it will replace the item_kinds and module.ini, along with everything else

>>165762217
tenes huevos

It's not gonna work though.

>>165762684
so it will be just regular dark ages? cuz im playing right now

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>>165761035
get back to playing laddy

>>165762736
if you paste new stuff over dark ages and overwrite everything it will just be new stuff, if you paste dark ages over new stuff and overwrite everything it will just be dark ages

>>165762707
sabe pa
>>165762886
well it seems like the animations are fucked up
whatever

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Back in 2014 it lost about 300 hours and achievements. Dont know why but it had something to do with my internet going out.

S-swear to god

>>165762818
>>165761035

>>165729919
The lewd isn't actually that bad, only 3 sex scenes (doggystyle, reverse cowgirl, and cumshot/aftersex), and the lewd is turned off by default. The nude bodies are alright (female is actually pretty decent, not CBBE or anything but decent model and skin). I really like Dickplomacy because it's probably the cleanest and best-featured Diplomacy+ mod out there.

>>165757171
I didn't know Chloe Moretz was lined up to do a dark ages film project, neat.

Besides the Curaw/Wercheg/Sargoth salt and iron trade where else can you make lots of denars fast?

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Wolf Lorica, Bear Byrnie, or Common Byrnie?
Both Wolf and Bear have similar stats and are better than Common (somehow), but I might just go with it because I got a boner for lamellar.

>>165763561
fuck, I don't care if those are anachronistic, they look really good.

If I had to say, lamellar if your character is foreigner/southerner, wolf if you're playing a northman.

>>165763561
Far right looks best if stats are good