/rlg/ Roguelike General

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first for Beautiful Sexy Femmy

Also, the actual roguebasin post.

http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Dungeons_Of_Everchange

>>165424443
You goody two shoes. You posted in the meme thread too.

>>165424124
The non-faggot OP.

>>165424124
UI looks real purrty

that kobold chase is reminding me of my ptsd from monkeys in brogue

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>>165424713
It's got all of brogue's strong points, but not its weak ones. The UI is great, the dynamics and the AI are staggeringly good, kinda like Forays and not as annoying as Smart Kobold, so you're safe there. It's got Food/Water/Stealth/potions/wands... really a lot of stuff.

It's basically a Brogue fork, and a great one at that. I can't wait to play it again.

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>>165424124
You win, but only because you actually had something more or less interesting to deliver.
>>165424619
ADoM is still archaic trash with almost no redeeming features.
>>165424559
>non-faggot OP
Oxymoron.
>>165424756
It's not even the same shitposter.
Also kys and choke that shitty stale pasta, the short story was great, but people reposting that one memey bit from it has become cringy as fuck.

>>165424443
>tfw amy will never stab you in the throat while she excitedly tells you about the latest updates to slashem in the third person
why even live bros

>>165425276
I didn't know you could cram these many memes and buzzwords in a single post.
Are you from /v/?

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WHO IS THE SUMMON SUMMONING SUMMONERS NOW?

>>165428823
You monster.

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>>165429335
>>165428823
This spell is outrageous. Literally one cast to bootyblast Glaurung.

Can't wait to use it on an enthusiastic summoner and watch the insanity. I have enough mana that it could go on for hundreds of turns.

>>165429839
what spell is it? summon greater undead?

the trick to outsummmoning enemy summoners is to get enough zephyr lords that you fill every tile in LOS with a Z and they have nowhere to put their shiny new cyberdemons

>>165429839
You're a lich, right?
I saw your post yesterday where you got 30 levels in an hour with a 300% XP penalty race and I'm amazed. You said you farmed a dungeon guardian by spamming a nether bolt spell. Which one is it?

>>165430375
>filling the room with hounds of Tindalos, death beasts, time and mana hounds
>It breathes (x99)

>>165430495
-More- What a noble sacrifice!

>>165430413
Not that anon but he posted his strat before.

The Juggernaut of Khorne outside the antimagic cave is a melee-only punching bag, and as long as you don't completely kill it it refills to full hp each time you go >< on the dungeon stairs. In PCB you get xp just for damaging monsters (although less than for killing them), so you can repeat this forever for lodsofEXP

>>165430848
Jesus Christ.
I found the best way to highroll my psions, thanks!
Nobody tell Chris anything

>>165430936
it's only a level 40 enemy or something, it's not like this will get you to 50

>>165430576
only if you're a dumbass and enabled the option in the pet menu that lets pets include you in spell/breath AOEs

otherwise the worst thing that happens is gravity hounds blinking the badguy away

>>165430284
Yep - actually not a bread and butter spell for me because I'm afraid of breaths flying all over the place/something going terribly horribly wrong without my noticing, but I think it will be helpful for uniques.

>>165431419
>get to archlich
>summon greater undead
>hide in wall forever

oh boy

>>165430997
Yeah, but it's a great jumpstart and it differs from His idea of how you should start a character, which is why he added dungeon guardians in the first place.
All characters can grab a bow or wand of magic missiles and plink free XP now!

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>>165431419
>afraid of getting breathed on by your own summons
literally press p

you CAN get breathed on by "(Friendly)" enemies who are trying to hit something near you, but not by your actual pets unless you allow them to

>>165431697
It really only works with dedicated casters/breathers, since the dungeon guard has reflection. If you have ideal conditions (beam/ball damage) then it's an easy way to get from about 8-28. But just a wand/bow isn't going to be worth the time.

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>get cast into abyss
>the door is beside me
gods are smiling at me today

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>>165434379
nevermind

>>165434560
why did you let a speed10 enemy with a distortion weapon get into melee range in the first place anon

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Alright, the next version of slex is going to get a bunch of new monsters. Does /rlg/ approve of this nice, crafty one?

>>165434803
Unfortunately /rlg/ is not familiar with the SLEX monster code and does not really understand

>>165435046
>overlooked the name of that monster

>>165435219
i understand that there's an irresistible thick lady, and that she apparently has both mocassins and dancing shoes?
but i don't know what kind of nasty things she can do to the player

>>165435298
The irresistible thick lady slides her soft mocassins over your hands, opening your arteries and squrting blood everywhere! The lacquered dancing shoe scratches your head! You feel very stupid!

And the latter effect also causes amnesia like a mind flayer.

>>165434650
its called going down the stairs and finding out that he is right behind you

>>165434803
misspelled "desperate tranny fantasy", S_BUTTTOAD|SWEET_MOCCCCCCCASSSSSSSSSINS&POT_ _STUNNING

does M1_FLY mean "flies intrinsically" or "can fly briefly after attaching sufficiently large wings and lauching from steam catapult."

/rlg/ approves M2_NASTY

missing M3_NEVEREVER

>>165435656
>lauching
FAIL

Splat.

>>165436675
Shitpost in the shitpost general, please. The one that's about exposed midriffs.

>>165431697
>>165432305
You reminded me of how I leveled my Q to 50 by summoning monsters that fought each other and getting all the exp.

Then again I'm pretty sure it's impossible to kill the J with a Q, so there's that.

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>>165432305
The level 1 spell "energy blast" fires a bolt of pure mana as a 1x1 ball spell and cannot be resisted, so I'll grab that one.

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he justs sits there and takes the abuse. That's adorable.
Easiest first 15 levels I've ever played.

I'm gonna roll a sexy nightmare mode demigod with always *fun* rooms on just for the hell of it.

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Nice entrance to L2.

>>165443938
>1.5
You tried to hit them.
Fault.

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finally get to play crawl again

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>>165441828
I love you too, gargposter.

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>Being statdrained just for sleeping
On the other hand finding the pendant of Nightmares and wearing it with to consequences is gonna be fun.

>play dda again after I don't touch it for a long time.
>pick single pool master race and really bad day (the only scenario I ever play) as usual
>nice, now it seems the developers give player free +2 skill points that I can use to increase my str to 16
>start game
>escape the burned building
>go to another house
>first aid kit
>mfw

The fun is gone really fast.

>>165434803
a bit different from an irresistible thick lady that comes to mind for me, but she wasn't a shoe person...

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Fake MuMo (with bucklers and amulets) after 2 runes, Elf and Crypt cleared. Since I'm playing trunk, I'm really scared about stat drains in abyss because self restoration has been gone for two major releases or so now. I also have no idea how am I going to melee a greater mummy while surrounded by its scorpions and/or scarabs, but that comes later I guess.

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>>165446223
>Fake MuMo (with bucklers and amulets)
It's the fun that counts, anon.
besides, you're playing without an armor and following the truth path of kings.
If you actually manage to grab all the runes of lenge, I'm sure the council of the three great mummies will bestow upon you the title of "honorary MuMo".

>>165446223
>I also have no idea how am I going to melee a greater mummy while surrounded by its scorpions and/or scarabs
Same thing any MuMo always does.
You stairdance. You can stairdance all of tomb, actually that's the only way of doing it in your conditions.
Lure one GMu at a time towards a staircase while he's on the edge of LOS so he doesn't summon shit and follows you, then dance the dance of the stairs.

Also, leave vaults as your last rune. I'm serious. Clear Zot before trying to do V:5. It robs you of the gift of the stair, which is the greatest curse of all.

>>165446743
Legend*

>>165446936
>Also, leave vaults as your last rune. I'm serious. Clear Zot before trying to do V:5. It robs you of the gift of the stair, which is the greatest curse of all.
Sounds like a good idea. I was planning to do V:5 before Zot and after Tomb, but maybe you're right. I'm still paranoid about the stat drain, I'll have to see how bad it is in Abyss first.

>>165446743

>It's the fun that counts
>5 spamming and lure scumming are fun

lol

>>165446223
nice lil amulet you got there, pharao

good rogue like coops?

>>165446043
You have no face?

>>165454125
Allure of the Start, but it's local only.
Special mention of mangband and tomenet that are literally angband variants but yet not roguelikes.

>>165456591
>implying those aren't roguelikes

>>165457302
Realtime

Are shields worth it if I'm using Long Blades?

>>165460025
What race

>>165460348
Mi

>>165460348
Hill orc

>>165460025
If you get a good 1H blade, like a eudemon blade or a double sword. But they're fairly rare (even via gifts) so it might not be worth the trouble.

Although actually, now that I think about it, the good 1H swords will probably generate if you're using a shield, but that'll also mean you'll have to use the less-than-good swords with potentially cumbersome shields in the meantime.

>>165460749
Wait, is that really how item generation works?

>>165461018
I'm just bullshitting -- and, specifically, I was talking about gifts.

God gifts tend to be a mixture of what you've trained in skills and what you're currently using. Without looking at the code, I'd assume that you're a bit more likely to get acquirement-level one-handed weapons if Trog/Oka see that 1) you've been training your Shield skill, 2) you've only been using one-handed weapons and shields at the point when they decided to do a weapon gift.

But even that logic seems flimsy, so I don't know. I'll check to be sure, though.

>>165461686
To my knowledge they only take a look at your skills not your equipment atm. I don't know would increasing shield skill make them more likely to gift one handed weapons though

>fall through a shaft on the third floor
>3 floors down
>Edmund is just sitting there giving me his smug smile
JUST

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>""""""roguelike""""""

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The things you find on a gimmicky force-trainer.

>>165463065
>miraculously survive this with potion spam
>go to upper floor with the firsts stairs I see
>eustachio with 3 orc priest and 2 orc warriors
this run is not meant to be

>>165463956
"thancs game"

melee fighter here
should I buy amulet of spirit or amulet of rage?
which one of them will help me the most in the long run?

>>165463956
the *thancs are pretty underwhelming in pcb really since it doesn't have the same blows calculation as Angband where a level 5 warrior will have like 4 blows with a dagger.

>>165465291
spirit always, berserking will get you killed and spirit is free hp

>>165461018
>>165461686
>>165462118
Yeah, looking at ../source/acquire.cc (lines 465 to 537), they do seem to give weight to one-handed weapons (a four-to-one ratio on average) if you have high shield usage, as evidenced by your shield stat.

>>165465448
unless you're a ant

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Halfling luck. D:2.

>>165463956
>.<

i dont think halflings get a luck bonus in dcss
they do in ToME2 though apparently

>>165465291
an artefact amulet with good resistances and/or stat boosts ;-)

But really, Guardian Spirit is better. Berserking is a crapshoot if you don't know exactly when to use it, and it's not even that good of a status without Trog's rage extension ability.

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i thought this was a rogue like ??

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We only play real roguelikes here.

Make unironic predictions about future DCSS releases.
>slings removed or now use throwing skill
>Pan can generate up to 10 unique maps before looping between each other to prevent grinding, static Pan lord levels not included.
>halfling removed because there already are kobolds
>rF, rC and RN now only go up to two levels of resistance
>summoning spell school removed

>>165467824
>All Zealots removed, Priest background added
>Starts with a robe and a basic weapon of any kind, or unarmed
>Can choose to start with 1* piety with any god in the game

I have rebirth without DLC. it doesn´t work anymore. I can´t open it.
If you only have the base game don´t update it.

>>165466193
DCSS doesn't even have luck mechanics for halflings to be good at

the only luck is the player's

>>165468202
you wouldn't have this problem if you played roguelikes instead

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game makes you choose your own spell miscast effects

I don't understand how to aim at individual monsters other than using the mouse or just spamming tab til the game picks the one you want

also the game has realistic arrow-picking-up mechanics

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later i ran into a goblin warrior who i guess had enough armor to take 0 damage from my arrows? and i died

>>165472507
use the numpad dingus

>>165472507
>the game has realistic arrow-picking-up mechanics

Expand on this.

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>It invokes raw memes!
>What a noble sacrifice!

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>>165473168
In Everchange? the numpad moves your character

Also I've discovered that you get xp in "Sacral" for repeatedly casting your starting buff on yourself even if you're already buffed and it just gives the "nothing happens" message


>>165473490
i just mean you have to run around the room picking up all your arrows again after you killl a bunch of monsters

the manual says that if you pick sacral or arcana as a secondary skill you can get an infinite supply of blessed/elemental arrows but i can't figure out how that works

So far I'm 2/2 on invincible Goblin Warriors on level 3

I guess Archery as your only way of doing damage isn't viable because you will just die to the first enemy with 3 armor

made a new guy with unarmed combat

game crashed when i punched a rat, after several levels of successful wolf and kobold punching

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>>165468918
>>165466193

>not believing

D:2 as a Halfling, again.

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>>165451157

>>165467341
What about it
You don't need to login to play anon

>>165467612
>Writing code in your videogame just to blogpost
Well, at least you're dedicated to your thing.

>>165473650
What does Sacral even do?

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>>165475792
I guess priest magic. The only things i've seen so far are the "sacral weapon" buff and, if you pick it as your primary skill, a self-heal

Fun fact: If you have "retaliate" you get the option to retaliate at anything whose attack you block
apparently you can block your OWN self-buff spells, at which point the game asks you whether you want to stab yourself

also holy shit my bow-user did 1-3 damage
swords might be slightly better

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>>165476928


other nitpicks: it costs 10 fatigue every time you allow yourself to retaliate at something
but just hitting the thing in melee and oneshotting it costs 0 fatigue
and you can only regen fatigue by resting
this retaliate power doesnt seem very useful

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Ah, good old nightmare mode. I missed you.
I ended up enabling nightmare, always *fun* rooms and a bunch of horrible things, except disabling recall and selling to the shops. Basically every level is a huge empty hall with a vault with uniques and monsters 60 levels above me.

Why the fuck would someone develop a roguelike without a goddamn scoreboard?

>>165479371
roguelikes without scoreboards are roguelites

Wasn't there a roguelike with a part where some enemies moved like chess pieces?
I do mean a roguelike, not Necrodancer.

>>165467824
https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:0.20_plan

I can't really come up with anything else except for food rework or removal. It's hard to tell what the devs are thinking about.

>>165481521
>you can no longer die from starving, instead you randomly keep passing out and getting statdrained

>>165480618
you mean chessrogue?
except the part is "the whole game" and the "some enemies" is "all enemies"

>>165481913
No I was certain it was a rogue game with some chess gimmick enemies.

Maybe I'm mistaking it with an old GBC Zelda somehow

>>165481990
Elona has chess piece enemies but they don't follow chess rules.

Nethack has the movement-gimmick enemies in Grid Bugs that can only move in cardinal directions, not diagonals

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Darn.
well, the system works, but you tend to get ambushed in the night.

>>165472507
>>165472949
>whoops forgot img
It carries an *Ancient Arlgeeian Curse*
It causes you to forget images.
It attracts trolls.

>>165481521
>Further trim core game – drop Lair to 4 levels, Lair branches to 3 levels, Depths and Vault to 3-4 levels each.

jesus christ

>>165478165
comfy>>165482427

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>>165482776
>drop Lair to 4 levels, Lair branches to 3 levels, Depths and Vault to 3-4 levels each.

>>165482808
>Comfy
Comfy is shit
Pain is where it's at

>>165482981
game would still be too long

>>165479371
People care about scores in a roguelike?

>>165483496
>crawl .30
>crawl devs have trimmed default game so much that linesprint is now the default game mode
>tavernfags will defend this

>>165482776
>>165482981
It's a way to make late game harder by reducing the amount of available xp, but honestly it's pretty stupid since the game will still be relatively easy in the later parts until they do something radical like dropping Lair and most of Vaults/Crypt/Elf altogether. It also has an additional problem of forcing races into certain builds relying on better apts, reducing possibilities. Maybe that's why the flattened the ogre apts and made the new race pretty flat too.

>>165483218
pain can be comfy anon

>>165473650
>gaining experience in a skill by performing said skill
it's a recipe for disaster

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I want to win with all species, and now I've won all the bulky tabber ones so now I actually have to step out of my comfort zone.

At least I won't have boring o-tab o-tab for 4 hours runs anymore.

>>165486275
yeah it literally costs nothing so you can just do it forever (or at least until you run out of food)

but on the other hand i haven't seen any benefits from increasing Sacral skill all the way to 25

didn't have the patience to go higher

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>>165486126
If you're a degenerate, maybe.

Apparently it gives more xp the more damage you do. Which might be more interesting.

>>165487782
well yeah the xp gain is based on the proportion of its hp that you do

if you hit it enough to knock off 99% of its hp you will get the same xp whether it was with 2 hits or 100

>>165488115
You know what else would be great for grinding?
Death molds in arena.
I gotta grab a wand of clone monster.

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Azog regrets never learning how to swim.

>>165488594
Death molds are worth very little exp, though.

>>165488825
yeah it looks like deathmolds are only 16k xp to a CL1 character, compared to 37k from an ancient red D, 36k to a juggernaut of khorne, or, say, 306k from a great bile wyrm

>>165487782
Go back to /r/the_donald, alt-right retard.

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I AM THE FUCKING STRONG

>>165490047
congrats

>flayed ghosts can appear in Vaults:5

seriously what the fuck

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Well, you're right. Getting a demigod to around level 30 with that trick is doable.
Now to do stronghold!

Would it be possible to take the orb into a labyrinth during your ascension?

>>165492294
just do labyrinth first at this point and open some places so you can abuse the recall rod you're about to get from the minotaur

>>165493858
The orb run always goes through levels you've already been to, so there's never going to be any remaining labyrinths to bring it in to.

>>165494785
not necesarily true anon
>You fall through a shaft for 3 floors!

>>165495583
I guess shafting is a possibility, but then you would need incredible luck for a labyrinth so spawn on that exact level as you're on the orb run, when it tends to spawn,at most,like 1-2 times a game.

>>165496325
Pretty much. You'd need to savescum or wizmode it

>>165483496

But it's not, you're just bad.

>>165502016
i may be bad at the game but i did win it 3 times
they i stopped playing because it was too long and boring

>>165482981

Once they start shortening Crawl, they'll keep on doing it ad infinitum. You can be confident that this is not the last time they'll be shortening anything because they will always """""""""""feel""""""""""" that the game is too long instead of playing Crawl sprint. This will keep on going as long as the devs and their ebin memers are not removed completely

>>165504205
I wish I could play like 0.15 or .16 with all of the quality of life changes of 0.19

is akrasiac down

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>>165504205
Maybe one day they'll realize the game feels long not because it has too many floors, but because the gameplay decisions they've made aren't actually fun.

Or not.

>>165505242
>crawl devs
>understanding fun

never gonna happen

>>165505030
>>165505030
>>165505030
>>165505030

>>165505030
>>165506353
Ye, I haven't been able to access it for the whole day.

On a sidenote: Tengu hunters play like low HP bootleg centaurs.

>>165506816
damn

People calling roguelites roguelikes annoys me

Fuck you Pat

>>165424124
>>165425038
>>165473650

What the actual fuck is wrong with this game?

>Took like pressing the enter key 3 times to change resolution setting to the next value
>Sit for like 3 min pressing enter to get 1920x1080
>Can't type the K letter in the character name because it moves the arrow up
>Have no idea how to change race, class or skills, its not with the arrow or numpad keys
>Press enter to try and change race
>Auto start game with a stupid character named John
>Press esc
>Game crashes

>>165509057
i haven't played it but the movement and menu keys may be hjklyubn

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>poschengband
>warg quest
>last warg appears to be behind a wall
>no digging tools

What do?

>dda
>you need to grind tailoring to 6 before you can fix any clothes
>you need to grind mechanic to 6 before you can fix any weapons
>aspirin doesn't consume any charge
>volume is changed to liter

Besides that, there's no major change.
I really should ditch Robust Genetic,
it's fucking overrated.
By the time you get one flask of mutagen and purifier, the game is already over.

>>165512798
>go up stairs
>go down different set of stairs
>kill warg on your newly generated level

>>165508883
People calling roguelikes roguelites annoys me

Fuck you PCfags

>>165504776

I wish they could reduce the inventory limit from 52 to 26 so inventory management/allocation is an actual skill. It's one of the main contributors as to why the game is so easy. Also limit consumables stacking to 5 and make it occupy another slot if it surpasses the limit

>crusade book 3 in the black market
Now I'm up to Zeus demigod (elec aura) force-trainer (retaliation, aura of force) with crusade (angelic cloak's anti-evil aura).

And all of 56 melee damage / round at level 27, life is suffering. Also this whole gimmick probably scales terribly, oh well.

>>165515442
crawl used to have weight limit to inventory based on strength so strength actually had more of an impact for mages and lower strength characters couldn't carry as much.

crawldevs chose to remove that feature though.

>>165508883
>He and Woolie didn't know Bard in Necrodancer was classic RL gameplay

holy shit

how the fuck do people get the abyssal rune?

i seriously don't understand the process of getting this in an even remotely safe way (nor do I understand how this is considered an alternative 3rd rune...).

>>165518046
Aimless wandering generally, TSO lets you fuck pretty much anything in there up.

Abyss: Chaotic Evil
Pandemonium: Neutral Evil
Hell: Lawful Evil

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3rd win ever; a consecutive win; and 5 runes!

Cheibriados is surprisingly fun (and, IMO, very powerful) to use. The big thing is that you have to adopt Chei's attitude: take it easy. Let things come to you (and blast them with magic/wands in the meantime).

Also my first time entering a Treasure Trove(!), which required the Slimy rune to enter. Mostly a weak trove, though, besides one ring that proved useful.

I'll definitely admit luck was on my side, though: I got like 5-6 Acquirement scrolls by the time I entered Zot, and at least 3 of those acq. items had endgame utility: a +12 Crystal Plate Armor randart with +3 Dex; the chopping Executioner's Axe (that was Lair, I think), which I eventually enchanted to +9; some very useful jewelry that covered rElec and rCorr; and I suppose the antimagic battleaxe was pretty useful, too.

Interestingly, I never had more than rN+ or rF+. And I spent quite a bit enchanting some gold dragon scales with the intent of replacing them with the CPA, but I never got around to doing it. I literally just covered any needed defenses with a basic ring of protection from [fire/cold/negative energy] as soon as the danger appeared.

>>165518141
Hm. Well, I finally got the idea to use some of my 20 or so teleport scrolls, and I landed right next to a vault with the rune in it.

>>165516205

It's not like I'm asking to bring back inventory weight. Weight is entirely different from slots themselves anyway. You can still carry 26 plate armors as long as the slots get reduced.

>>165520976
weight was better in most ways since it made it so strength wasn't a dump stat. Nowadays, you either pump int as a mage or dex as everything else.

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>not having paralysis immunity

wow major fault, how did I overlook that

fortunately Gerard was kind enough to summon freexp for my insatiable experience lust

>>165521359
Blood curses go through free action. This is one of the reasons they are so dangerous.

And being paralysed in front of a pack of hasted time hounds looks unpleasant.

what is the /rlg/ approved discord? are you guys on the reddit discord?

>>1655127980
search for secret doors
or dig anyways, you have decent strength and are probably wielding something better than a dagger
or go up and down again. all the remaining wargs will respawn at full hp and in random locations

>>165515649
>monk blows
>aura of retaliation
should've been a tonberry instead of a zeuskid man
you can eventually find a defender ring with [EFC plus maybe [Sh or [At

>>165522491
they don't entirely pierce freeaction
but rather than complete immunity, FrAct reduces the 1d13 turn paralysis with something like 1d2 turns

>>165521210

Strength is not a dump stat unless you still play ancient versions. It's the only other relevant stat besides Int.

>>165522491
I was being sarcastic, you butt

butts and tums

Quaves of Cud had an update and the longblade skills were reworked:

>We revamped the Long Blades skill! These are the new powers. Check them out in game for the stat requirements and costs.
>Long Blade Proficiency. You gain access to two stances.
>>Aggressive stance: While wielding a long blade in your primary hand, your long blade attacks gain +1 penetration but -2 to hit.
>>Defensive stance: While wielding a long blade in your primary hand, you gain +2 DV.
>Dueling Stance: You gain access to dueling stance. While wielding a long blade in your primary hand, you get +2 to hit.
>Lunge. Activated; cooldown 15.
>>Aggressive stance: You lunge through one empty space at an opponent and make an attack at +2 penetration. You must move through the empty space.
>>Defensive stance: You make an attack at an opponent then lunge backward 2 spaces.
>>Dueling stance: You make an attack at an opponent at +1 penetration. The attack is guaranteed to hit and penetrate at least once.
>Swipe: Activated; cooldown 15.
>>Aggressive stance: You make an attack against all adjacent opponents.
>>Defensive stance: You push all adjacent creatures back 1 space and attempt to trip the ones that are opponents (strength save; difficulty 30).
>>Dueling stance: You make an attack at an opponent and attempt to disarm them (strength save; difficulty 25 + your Agi modifier). The attack is guaranteed to hit and penetrate at least once.
>Improved Aggressive Stance: Your penetration bonus in aggressive stance is increased to +2, but your to-hit penalty is increased to -4.
>Improved Defensive Stance: Your DV bonus in defensive stance is increased to +3.
>Improved Dueling Stance: Your to-hit bonus in dueling stance is increased to +3.
>En Garde!: Activated; cooldown 100. For the next 10 rounds, Lunge and Swipe have no cooldown.

>>165515442
Then it will effectively remove certain things from the game.

5-6 slots for armor, 1-2 for weapons. 1-2 for ammo (you always want to have nets at least). 4-5 jewellery slots. 1 food slot. 2 wands at the very least, probably 4-5. scrolls of tele, blink, fog, maybe identify. potions of curing, heal wounds, agility, might/brilliance, haste. 1 free slot for carrying additional thing to your stash.

That's about all of your slots, oops! Time to remove all potions and scrolls you'd use situationally maybe once or twice in the game, because what's the point of having them if you're never going to carry them around anyway. Bye bye silence, holy word/torment, ambrosia, immolation, vulnerability and a few others.

Instead of removing number of slots, which will only make a bunch of things useless (no space) and force you to make trips to your stash every 5 minutes, reduce the spawn rate.

>>165524802

>Then it will effectively remove certain things from the game.

That's the point; to make inventory allocation be an actual decision instead of something that is taken for granted.

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>>165424124
hello, /agdg/ anon here. I'm making a roguelike for you guys.
Here is the latest progress on my random overworld map generation.

>>165524802
>wands
bloat - no more wands by 0.23, screencap this

>potions
heal wounds and curing merged, stat boosters merged, ligni removed because "it doesn't have a clear role"

>jewelry
There will be regeneration for extended and that's all. Stuff like reflection, harm, and gourmand, meanwhile, will be removed because they're "no brainers"

>weapons/armour
Equipment slots will become independent of inventory slots, making the inventory seem larger

>Scrolls
all scrolls but tele, blink, and identify will be removed. Immolation will be brought back with much fanfare two versions later and will be exhibited as how forward-thinking the crawl devs are.

>>165524802
You can do it the angband way and have worn items not take up space in your inventory.

I don't think it's a great idea either way, though, since you just take the best stuff, and the best stuff is the same for pretty much every character.

>>165525525
nain?

>>165525580

But regeneration is the greatest no-brainer of Crawl; both the amulet and spell. They should be removed

>>165525580
I know you're joking but I believed all of those

>>165525764
?

>>165515442
These would be easy to do with the source code

>>165525352
It doesn't work when there are no decisions. Fog is always good. Fear is always good early on. Heal wounds is always good. Blink is always good except maybe in Zot. Tele is always good. Haste is always good, and so on. Realistically you'd have at most 5 slots for decisions, and these decisions would be more about whether you want to carry a ring for swapping or a potion of resistance. Of course you can choose to carry something else, but that's just handicapping yourself. You'd need a severe rebalancing of consumables for your idea to work - and even then going back to stash every 5 minutes would be horrible.

>>165525789
Regeneration should be on by default, including the faster hunger clock. Two caustic shrikes with one large rock.

>>165525789
What about Path of Exile style buffs that are switchable and don't run out but in exchange they are somewhat weak and take away from your max MP as long as they are on? They'd need to take a lot of that max MP too so you don't have everything on at once.

>>165525525
That's a weird looking Minesweeper variant, anon.

>>165526443

What do you mean that there are no decisions? You decide what consumable/s or swappables to bring with you with your limited slots. And no, always going back to your stash is already punished via reduced score.

>>165526741
as long as it isn't modal it's kosher

>>165526741
those are placeholder tiles.

>>165526748
I don't think people care about score

>>165526748
>score
>mattering
Either way the flaw with your suggestion is that it would require all the consumables to be balanced with each other when they clearly aren't and aren't intended to be. What would you rather have in Zot, a stack of 50 heal wounds or 50 lignification pots?

>>165526748
There are no decisions because certain things are better and/or more useful than the others. It's like acquirement. Sure, you can choose book if you want to, but why would you want to, it sucks.

>>165526908

It's still punished whether people care about it or not.

>>165526920

Read my suggestion again. >>165515442 Consumable stacking is limited. It could be fewer but 5 seems to be a nice number

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>>165525764
?

>>165528212
You'd still take 5 heal wounds over 5 lignification. And maybe another 5 heal wounds over 5 ambrosia.

>>165528097
"balancing" something with a punishment that nobody actually cares about is also called "not balancing", anon

>>165528385

>actually cares

I don't know what you're talking about, I only use numbers to argue. Bigger turncounts results into a lower score while lower turncounts result into a higher score.

Lesser inventory slots means forcing the player to make inventory based decisions than more inventory slots, which is a good thing.

What unique do you hate to come across /rlg/?

>>165528351

I'd like to take all of three of them if that was possible because each of them have their uses. And your point is?

When will DCSS faggots make their own thread

>>165528970
My point is here >>165524802 where I counted the slots. Since you completely ignore answers to your posts and repeat your already repelled arguments, there's no point in talking with you any further.

is it true that only homosexuals and virgins play rouge like games?
I just want to be sure before getting into this genre

>>165529081
>stop talking about the roguelike that I dont like REEE

>>165529201

4 slots for armor
1-3 weapons
5 jewelries and swappables
3 food slots
1-2 wands/evocables (digging is the only useful evocable)

That's like 15-17 slots occupied including swappables. You have 9 to 11 (max of 26 slots) more slots to fill which is left to the player's discretion so I see no problem here

>>165529372
autists as well

Yo where do you even find mutagens in cata

>>165529372
You need to be those and autist as well for any and all game genres

>>165529546
why are you counting 3 fucking food slots and 2 spare weapons but not any fucking potions and scrolls

>>165529704
mostly labs
you can also find recipe books and learn how to cook your own mutagens

>>165529749

Uh, because they're unnecessary? That would be up to the player to decide how much consumables or more swappables to bring with them anyway. 11 free slots are quite many if I do say so myself.

>>165529678
>>165529732
I will fit right in then
thanks guys

>>165528941
Margery is such a pain of a unique, mostly due to damage similar to Orbs of Fire at a point that I'd consider slightly too early in the game.

Louise is bullshit, since she can fuck up a run before you even have a chance to defend yourself. Seriously, getting hit by Banishment the first turn you see her is just complete lunacy. She's honestly one of the reasons I try not to do D14 to D15 before I get some sources of MR.

>>165529965
Welcome.

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Well, it was pretty low hanging fruit, and will probably be pretty short lived, but I'm still proud of this.

It's nice being the best at something.

I'm a newfag and I'm against reading wikis/guides because it spoils the fun and the thrill of finding something for the first time
is this a stupid thing to do and it will get me killed or its possible to play the game properly without wiki?
are stupid first timer questions allowed here?

Xom does direct damage to you now. He used to take your weapon away and animate it to attack you. Thematically this fit Xom''s whimsical personality. In terms of gameplay this could be dealt with by keeping a 2nd best weapon in your inventory, using an escape like teleport if necessary. Just directly damaging his plaything doesn't fit his theme at all, and there is literally no tactical answer for it other than never being on low health. Just when I thought Xom was the last fun thing baddevs hadn't fucked up...

>>165530268
Don't worry, Yermak is already on his way to do 15 runes will all Ba backgrounds, your high score won't last long, neither will mine.

>>165530563

#madcuzbad

>>165530304
Which game? Crawl?

Pound for pound, you don't need to read a wiki, but you don't want to put time and effort into a run just to die doing something incredibly stupid.

With Crawl, you can at least look everything up in-game, albeit without too much detail: "x=v" to look up descriptions, pressing the suggested keys to look up enemy spells, "?\" (I think?) to look up almost any individual thing of interest.

And then, of course, there's the issue of where to go and what to generally do. You *can* technically figure it out for yourself, but learning the basic walkthrough blindly will result in a LOT of deaths. Also, wikis and spoilers can help you stay alive and have more fun with basic survival tips.

>>165529862
>blink, tele, HW less necessary than dig, 2spareinventoryslotsoffood, 2sparemeleeweaponsinagamewithoutdualwieldingoritemdestruction

>>165530304
depends on the game anon

crawl without wiki? a ok
nethack without wiki? impossible
angband without wiki? you'll probably be fine as long as you turn "full monster memory" on

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>>165531096
>nethack without wiki? impossible
I've always been curious about nethack but

is this true

>>165530936
>>165531096
I'm playing crawl
but first anon is right, I will look at a basic how to live guide without spoilers to get hang of the basics and try to stay away from wiki as much as possible unless its necessary

>>165531014

>implying it's a melee weapon
>2spareinventoryslotsoffood

Okay so you get 4 more free inventory slots since you only need 1 slot for food and 1 for a melee weapon right? So how does this help you? This just proves more and more how 52 inventory slots are simply unnecessary and way too many.

>>165531197
A good thing to remember is how to progress

clear dungeon up to lair, do lair, do orc, proceed to the lair branches, v1-4, depths, v5


is a good way of remembering how to go about things

What's the breakdown on the gods currently in stone soup?

>>165531830

no-brainers that should be removed or reworked completely from scratch

>>165531240
because you have to put actual consumables in those slots so that you can use them to notdie

anon's point earlier was that restricting inventory slots won't force that many decisions because there are a lot of "no-brainer" you-should-never-not-have-this ones like blink and tele

cutting down inventory slots would just mean people wouldn't bother with situational consumables like lig/immo/ambrosia

>>165531830
In trunk, TSO's Cleansing Flame was buffed against non-evil enemies, and he finally allows the player to use poison against enemies. So his use as a full-game god was massively boosted.

>>165532380

>because there are a lot of "no-brainer" you-should-never-not-have-this ones like blink and tele

As I've been always saying, that entirely depends on the player's discretion.

>>165532408

>he finally allows the player to use bloat against enemies

wow big deal holy shit

AHAHAHA
OGRES ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THIS STRONG
I HATE THIS GAME

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>>165528941
>Sonja shows up
>Curare needle up your urethra before you can do anything
>Wielding a distortion weapon

>>165528941
Nodens, the Unicorn of Order, the Norsa, and anyone out of depth and already awake

So I'm trying to make an unarmed troll work. Problem is, whenever I get to lair, Hydras fuck my shit up. How do you guys handle them?

>>165533696
Bring a flail with you

>>165533696

By using a ranged weapon obviously.

>>165533747

Did have a decent +5 mace along, but no training in the skill beyond Heroism. Guess I'll have to train it some next time.

>>165533696
>speed 10 enemy
trolls can still evoke feet anon

>>165533696
Throw Large Ruk. any other answer is just retards being cancerous.

>>165533696

This seems like a case of ignoring the gorillion of bows and arrows lying in the Dungeon. A truly BIG FAULT.

>>165534437
what kind of dumbass troll wields a bow

especially just to deal with hydras
an enemy that you can WALK AWAY FROM

>>165533696
evoke feet
throw things
use offensive wands and other evocables
use god abilities - direct damage or summons

>>165534950

>I always completely ignore a feature that is capable of reliably eliminating a threat

FAULT

>>165535678
hydras are not a threat on characters that arent cheinagas, anon
unless you're a tard with the tab button glued down

there's no need to spend xp to deal with hydras when you could instead spend 2 seconds not mashing tab and just walk away from them

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Well, let's be honest here. I didn't expect to actually live through the first dungeon I visited.
Also this psion was kinda weak, I ended up burning through my SP way too fast. I guess they get stupid strong at level 50 once they get mindspring going, so they regen something like 60 mana per turn, but before then you're pretty much a glass cannon that has to retreat fast to another staircase.
I think I'll try another combo with the same setup, it might work better.

>>165536368

Anon, you might not have noticed it but bows and crossbows can also be used against every other monster in the game besides hydras. Their ammo are also abundant even if you're not worshiping Oka/Trog if your main killdude skill is melee.

>rangers who choose nature/death realm can't cast darkness storm, which is a level 40 spell which does a shitton of damage but can cast "vampirism ture" which is a level 48 spell

Chris, you motherfucker.

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Triple sword of sometimes great or Great Swords of pretty decent?

>protection
Keeping extras in case of brand scroll. Also non-grey drac.

Ranger of Nature/chaos might be good, but it wears off in the endgame because even if it has all sorts of commodity spells and buffs and some kind of offense, the best it has to offer is whirpool at 200 damage, which is severely lacking when you're fighting stuff with 10 K hp.

Maybe an android of nature/chaos for the rockets? But androids have -5 on wisdom.

Apparently rockets cap at 350 on andorids. Which is still meh, considering launching one costs 60 SP.

The best possible choice seems to be a gold/ crystal draconian ranger of nature/chaos. But even with the "deadly breath" mutation, sound caps at 350 HP for 1000 HP characters, for 40 SP, for both races.

So, unless giants can do more damage by throwing ruks, the best spell available would be a 350 damage one. Which, like as I said for androids, is still pretty meh.
Gold draconians have +2 in wisdom, too. Which is good because it's a ranger's primary casting stat.
Though you do end up not being able to grab all the juicy demigod perks like cult of personality and demonic grasp, which are pretty good when it comes to summoners summoning summoners summoning charge drainers.

What to do, what to do.
It seems like extremely focused character work better in PCB than "all around good but not as powerful as that other combo". Dishing a shitton of damage seems to be the only important thing, the rest is just fluff.

>>165515442

Mind if I steal this? I'll be bringing this to the devs since this could help solve the consumables being too strong problem

Are rings of slaying haram on a MuMo? I'd rather not commit a third sin.

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>>165543557
Extremely so, slaying anything is not allowed.
How's your run doing anyway? Congrats on still being alive!
Can you post a dump?

>>165543557

Bucklers are not really a sin desu and they're ignorable. It's that amulet which is a real sin that makes your MuMo 2nd rate.

>>165543924
>Bucklers are not really a sin

Dicks explicitly stated that in the runes and in the vods that bucklers are haram.

>>165530563
I was playing a version with both Lava Orcs and Djinn, and even then he'd occasionally hit me with lightning or fireballs. Also, I think the mutations he hits you with occasionally takes your health down by a fair bit.

Can someone recommend me a lesser known roguelikes not in the FAQ?

My favorites: DCSS, ToME, Elona+

I would not enjoy playing one that is purely text based graphics.

Thank you

>>165533530
They are supposed to be that strong though. Their whole gimmick is being ugly, tough, and strong.

>>165544453

IVAN, powder, ADOM has graphics. but those are in the FAQ. .

>>165544309

seems pointless if you're gonna allow shields/large shields in the end when bucklers give negligible defenses

What's the second most babby roguelike, after DCSS, to ascend in?
I only ever ascended in DCSS.

>>165544754

Not really.
-2 apt means getting to 5 is a joke and you'll get 5 free pseudo EV by D:5. It's literally a ring of +5 Evasion with no drawbacks on a non-ring slot.
But you'll get to 15 only after you've cleared lair and a branch completely. And don't even think about getting 25 shields before TRJ.

>>165544786
Nethack is crazy simple if you know what you're doing.

>>165543718
4 runes, in Slime now.
http://pastebin.com/e90sqckF
This char is so lucky with items it feels like I'm cheating way more than I did.

>>165544934

It's not like you'll be disadvantaged if you wear a not-so-cumbersome 15 skill shield at low skill compared to an actually cumbersome large shield. If that rule was made to penalize free early game defenses, then it's certainly not effective at all and pointless.

>>165544470
t. oger
fuck you you filthy oger, no one likes you

>>165545462

IMO shields of any kind should be banned until your first rune.

>>165544754
bucklers and early reflection amulets are not negligible, trust me

>>165545696

amulets are banned in MuMo

>>165545776
sure they are, that's why I'm not doing a real MuMo

but my point was that reflection amulets on average are about as strong as a +0 buckler, so it's only a general statement; while SH is weaker than EV, it's still noticeable early on

>>165544934
>It's literally a ring of +5 Evasion with no drawbacks on a non-ring slot.
SH is about 2/3 as effective as the same amount of EV IIRC from my last code dive, and it also "depletes" very fast with each consecutive enemy attack during one turn. Still, it's an additional "evasion" check.

Is Caves of Qud worth buying yet?

>>165546490
Not even worth pirating yet.

Why am I so fucking shit at crawl
This is my 5th character that dies before he reaches 8th level of the dungeon
I know roguelikes are supposed to be death oriented and all but come on I'm losing so much progress that its actually starting to physically hurt me

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>casting confusion on an orc warlord next to a lava pit so he walks into it and kills himself, then repeating the step with two of his knights
>hitting a deep elf knight with poison arrows for max poison, then slamming a door shut in his face repeatedly until the poison kills him
>kiting pretty much any enemy with arrows until they're weak enough to kill in melee or just kill outright
>those obscene assassin aptitudes- dodge, short blades, stealth...

Spriggans are the absolute master troll-race, aren't they? I'm actually disappointed I'm going to inevitably splat unless I find Mass Confusion somewhere first.

>>165549101
Which start are you using?

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remember guys
never ever come into the los of tesla
he killed me the moment i autoexplored into him
one-fucking-shot

>>165549273
>~30 hp
>1 shot
Gee..

>>165549260
Hill Orc Fighter with an axe
I know Minotaur berserker of trog might carry me but that build sounds "no fun" with that "no fun allowed" god

>>165549419
Hill Orc Fighter with Beougrh is good too, upload character dump somewhere you're probably doing something wrong. Or just describe what you're dying to, what you're having problems with

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>>165549163

>resorting to tedium in order to kill popcorn
>aforementioned tedium is only viable for 3 runes
>have to branch out to actually useful magic skills/melee skills to do 15 runes

So what's the point of stabbers/enchanters again?

>>165549385
this shit arc'd between me and the battlesphere repeatedly i think

>>165549885
I only see it bounced once since the log cant fit much more

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alright fellas lay it on me, how dangerous is it to carry that stuff in hands?

>>165550224
No danger..

>>165550224
>`1 Strength

http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Stat_zero

See for yourself.

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So I found these templars on my way up to red rock, and now i want my free loot

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>>165550557
o lawd

>>165545460
>http://pastebin.com/e90sqckF

>holding onto bread rations
>as a Mummy
niggawat

>>165549491
this is the morgue file of my best effort and highest score so far
basically what I'm doing is slowly clearing the levels by luring them into corridors and fighting them one on one and when there is too much that I cant handle I just skedaddle the fuck out of there and come back later
http://pastebin.com/iTfQSBtS

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>>165550507
nothing is impossible my friend
just git gud

>>165551236
How does one achieve this.... "gud"?

>>165551601
Patience and careful planning + good thinking with a little bit of luck
if I remember correctly perfel was the first character/game of an anon that kept asking questions in the thread about shit that wasn't in the wiki, he literally started the game as a fresh player and the thread guided and helped him into going 15 runes+ zot
how did he do it? he didnt rush or try anything stupid, just the good old slow and steady progress without pushing things too far and relaying on careful planning and "can I really kill that guy right now?" question

>>165551236
>Int -25
literally how

I haven't been around for a while, what was the latest big trunk update?

red pill me on SLEX aka Slash'em extended.

is it fun?

>>165553479
It is DEGENERATE and a code word for anti-white.
It is feminazi lgbt lefty gay muslim agenda.

>>165553479
Just download it and try it yourself, it's like 50 mb or something

>mfw ghost of the character that I got killed with my foolish decision now haunts my player
dear god I'm not ready for this
no one told me this game is this spooky

>>165553479
it's pretty hard to get in to but I think underneath the chaos there's a fun wilder and harder version of nethack

amulet of rage or amulet of harm for a melee fighter?

>>165555583
Harm.

>>165550753
It's my ammo. I'm throwing bread at things to get their attention. It's too annoying to just wait until they wake up when you have decent stealth.

>>165555583
rage

>>165555836
I don't know why but I laughed hard
if I was any good at drawing I would draw a sleeping ogre getting hit by a bread and when the ogre wakes up in confusion and looks around he would see a mummy flipping him off while being pissed

>the +10 great sword of Exhibitionism (weapon) {freeze, rElec rPois}
Not worth dropping xp in longblades now that I'm almost lv20 in axes, right?

>>165555693
>>165555968
add an +3STR, eat whatever you want even when full and see the invisible to the list

>>165556656
If it was a triple sword, it'd have depended on if you had an exec axe. As is, just stick with axes.

Is there a point to skilling Throwing at all if you're just a straight tabber?

is it true that they removed the jellies eating items and monsters picking up your shit?
can I stash everything I want anywhere now? or the good old lair 2 is still the stash place?

>>165557571
Needles can stab.
Plus needles of paralysis etc. can get really good.

>>165550780
>be Oka follower
>don't use Heroism

This is the biggest fault I've ever seen.

>>165558153
>there is a heroism
if only you could see how stupid I feel now

>>165545462
>It's not like you'll be disadvantaged if you wear a not-so-cumbersome 15 skill shield at low skill
>famous_last_words.txt

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>>165550745
>those relationships reasons
Did they hire the guys from dredmor to write those? The cringe is real.

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>>165556485
>He doesn't know about breadwielding
Food is more important than you'd think in crawl, even more so for MuMos.

>>165545460
>+13 Large shield of RF
Odin's Beard! Now THAT is a shield worth writing home about.

>>165553479
It's impossible to have fun while playing SLEX, unless you have a foot fetish, love getting covered in memes or are the dev.

>>165541730
I don't understand this character plan.

Why chaos or sound breath? You get almost as many extra shots as an archer so long as you use a bow, so I'm pretty sure archery is the way to go for endgame damage.

>Dishing a shitton of damage seems to be the only important thing, the rest is just fluff.
Yeah, class power is mostly damage, hp, and the few powerful abilities some get (like healing or create ammo).

>>165557571
A ranged attack is always helpful
plus >>165557923
Remember to enchant your blowgun

>>165560303
>Why chaos?
You get to choose a second realm and chaos has free Teleself, tele-away & some offensive spells. All the other realms you can choose as a ranger are inferior to chaos because they don't really give anything good.
>Why sound breath?
(almost) Nothing resists sound and it stuns even uniques.
>You get almost as many extra shots as an archer so long as you use a bow
Yeah, but you can't create ammo, which is incredibly annoying. It's probably a good idea in the lategame.

>>165559379

I guess it's a matter of experience and skill because an additional 1-2 aut of attack delay is never a cause of my deaths. It's like blaming how you allocated skill experience """"incorrectly"""" on a Transmuter as a scapegoat for your dumb death when the only reason for deaths are incorrect threat assessment and failure to secure escape routes/options.

>>165560916
The thing is that if you eventually find a quick monster with high EV (say, a spiny or a blink frog, out of the top of my head) you hope your slowed, inaccurate hits land or you blow a teleport. For almost any other combo it wouldn't be a problem (they might just zap /confusion for example) but for a MuMo that's pretty much cutting your own leg if you blow your precious consumables or certain death when that consumable runs out

>>165560738
Possibly chaos for early game offense and switching to trump later would be better. Not being able to learn specific spells makes that kind of a pain, but maybe they get enough spell slots for it to work?

Trump has the teleports, telepathy, dimension door and some summons, though I guess I haven't checked if rangers can cast all those.

>Yeah, but you can't create ammo, which is incredibly annoying.
I suspect that even the 1d4 town arrows would do more than the 350 damage / turn you could get with abilities.

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>>165561312
>and switching to trump later
I forgot you could do that. And Dimension door sure sounds neat.
Yeah, anyway. Rangers get 80 spell slots, which is around 3 complete realms.

I think I'll switch to a demigod of Hades from a gold drac then.

>>165561112

So it really is a difference of experience and skill. For starters, I would never go to Lair if I can't even reliably 1v1 a Spiny Frog, MuMo or not. Guess I made the right decision to learn how to play Crawl and get good first before trying challenges or conducts huh

>>165561683
>I would never go to Lair if I can't even reliably 1v1 a Spiny Frog, MuMo or not.
Most of the time MuMos are forced to go to lair because of lmao invisible horror and ugly things galore, which are a nightmare for an egyptian boxeur. You gotta choose between certain death and possible death. Which is the spirit of MuMo, basically.

Man, have I lost my groove in Demon.

>>165562053
Don't give up, anon! Demon is a great priest realm.