Eve Online general /eog/

first for reddit drama

>>165332059
>making a new thread without being Kevin

Reddit has killed this place already.

oneiros

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>>165332214

>noctis
>80m ship nullified by a single MTU
dammit ccp

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FIRST FOR BUM

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>>165332865

>have been gone for 4 months
someone fill me in on what happened
why are there blinkenlights around stations
why is the computer different

>>165333164
fuck off no way

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>>165333218

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>Alliance is having trouble getting stuff into null because of widespread gatecamps
>Use Thera connection into low-sec on the other end of the galaxy to buy a bunch of stuff not on the market and sell it back home for a 50% markup
I think this game is getting to me, boys.

>>165333397
>only 50%

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>Wanna do industry
>Unbridled, rampant autism in every corp
>Socially awkward redditors everywhere

I just wanted to build ships

>>165333604
who did you join?

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>2017
>not using the Barghest, the best subcapital ship in game

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>>165333604
>plays game that attracts autists
>surprised when corps are filled with autists
what the fuck were you expecting

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>>165333676
>Meme Legion

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>barghest
>best subcap

why are there only green and green and blue-green and literallyshit skins for 90% of gallente ships while caldari and amarr get dank skins like raata sunset, blue tiger, purity and so on

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>when an inferior subcapital (any other subcapital) engages your Barghest

>>165333668
Talked to a bunch of indy corps in nullsec and joined two or three random ones. Nothing major.

>>165333739
Like yeah I know the playerbase in EVE is like that, but man is it especially bad in indy corps.

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>when my hic points a barghest

>>165333865
desu all the base caldari skins suck
>raata sunset
>blue tiger
lets just paint the ship red/blue lmao

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>when an avatarfagging chink shits up an imageboard

>>165333921
I would take raata and blue over serpentis, valimor and intaki
also, you have shit tastes.

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>when a normalfag gets triggerred on a chinese cartoon imageboard

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>>165333983
>also, you have shit tastes.
Valklear Glory on niddhogur is best

>>165334142
yes, valklear glory is best on most ships (if they would actually fix the reflections, your picture would look bad if you turned the camera 30 degrees because the silver parts would turn black), but we're mainly talking about gallente skins here.
Seriously, someone at CCP must have a hate boner for anything gallente.

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>>165334248
inner zone shipping is good on the hyperion
it's a pretty underrated ship in general

https://zkillboard.com/kill/59092634/

>>165334693

I wonder what was at the bookmark.

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>>165334693
>49 EDs

Can a VNI easily do havens?
Please bros I can't afford to lose her or else it's back to belt ratting in a dessy

>>165335212
>I can't afford to lose her
Then no

>>165335212
no one needs some poor no sp shitter in a VNI taking 30 minutes to do havens

be a good cuck and stick to forsaken hubs you massive faggot.

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>>165335212

S.K.I.N Pricing Scheme

Frigates, Destroyers:
400 aurum

Cruisers, Battlecruisers:
600 aurum

Battleships, Force Aux, Carrier, Dreadnaught:
800 aurum

Super Carrier, Titan:
1000 aurum

CCP, please understand that SKINs shouldn't be so expensive. When a person buys 2000 aurum? He should get a handful of skins. Also try to release SKINs more often, the new Glacial Drift skins are amazing and I can guarantee if you put them on every ship in the game people will buy a handful of them.

>glacial skins
>1800aur
lol

>>165332059
.

>>165335408
>armor
>high dps counter resists npc spawns
>die

>>165336418
>not knowing what type of rats you're going after

>>165336631
>he doesn't know about the semirare rats that deal different types of dmg

>>165336709
>being retarded

>>165336887
>being retarded about the one thing that causes 90% of ratters npc deaths
have fun, that fit is prime ready to show up on your corp's KM as killed by rats

>pulling some memerat that doesn't exist out of your arse
>guise i swer iz truth xd

>ratting

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>>165337012

>>165337069
Meanwhile
Nullbabys have more deaths in the last hour to rats than pvp.
Care to share your ratters name?
I mean, your ratters are alts right?
You wouldn't be ratting on your main right anon?

>still no proof
:^)

>>165336709
>>165337012
You do realize, warping out is a thing right? Anyone with half a brain and a little knowledge will be able to rat just fine without dying, it's the afkers/retards that die. Stop being such a faggot.

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>Amarr

D34thstrike [score hidden] 52 minutes ago
One of the Eschelon Directive dudes here. We did not expect our first Astra kill to blow up and cause this sort of r/drama. To us this was just an Astra that had no effort put into defending it, so we thought it'd be an easy kill and a good offering to Bob.
Going off of the recordings, if you're serious about starting in WH space then start further down the chain in a C1 or C2. There are still some out there that are empty and have good LS/HS C3/C4 statics. There was a good post on here not so long ago detailing a small groups time in a C1 that was good proof that numbers aren't always required.
I'm sorry if this has put you off Wormhole's, but I implore you to stick with it. WH space is still very fun and profitable for small to mid sized corps. (We're still small, and not entirely PVP based for example.) It just requires more effort for the reward, which includes defending it. We had scouts locate your Astra five hours before it was due to come out, and we saw little to no activity to defend it. If you had used those Megathron's you had in your POS as WH rollers you could have rolled us out or critted the WH's which would have prevented us from getting in.
Good luck in the future, and remember to praise Bob.

>both sides are faggots

>>165334391
it's easily the best brawling solo/small gang bs. anyone who flies a megathron and isn't planning to take bomb damage or be in a massive f1 railgun fleet is doing it wrong

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normies get the fuck out

>>165339931
>>both sides are faggots
I see three sides, one of which is complaining, one of which is a massive bunch of losers, and one really nice side. What are you talking about?

>1800 AUR

lmao holy shit ccp just why

Anyone IN KWG alliance space have any caldari navy warp scrams they want to sell?

>make 2 skins per year, one of which is useable because the other is valimor legacy tier bullshit
>sell the for way above what would be considered reasonable
fucking hell

>>165340590
Aren't those the SKINs they gave out for free over Christmas?

>>165341070
yes

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nice hull and skin. shame the ship itself is 100% aids

>>165341245
How much aur are those?

>>165341449
I couldn't find them in the aurum store, only on the market/show info thing. ccp probably need another 6 months to sort it out

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>>165334024
I need to know this, too
>gallente skins never

>>165339157
>Proof
I'm not the retard in danger of dying with a shitfit, I care not about how you will die.
I'm merely here to laugh at you.

>>165341528
those look good. big silly bright bits go nicely with shitty gallente grey

>>165334693
Wow. I've actually seen the guy when the situation was developing.
He went suspect on purpose and started taunting everyone to kill him.
"Who wants to take on this 1.3b shitfit? I have literally no guns fitted" - guess he wasn't joking.
Everyone took him for a bait and was too afraid to shoot.

One courageous coercer started shooting him. And it sort of went on from there.
Wish I could throw away this kind of money, sounds like tons of fun.

>>165341635
>spout retarded bullshit
>doesn't post proofs
>hurr im so superior
Ebin

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>the sprocket was closed

>>165342312
Whats wrong anon, why won't you post your KB?
Go ahead... I have ALLLLLLLLLLLL day.

>>165342880
>this autistic
The only thing that can kill a VNI in a haven is the dread. No other rat can even touch you and the 3 elite cruisers in wave won't neut you fast enough.

>>165343139
look up VNI npc deaths senpai

>>165343521
If you mean the question mark, that is the sentient carrier. The DB entry is fucked.

oneiros

basilisk

>tfw finally finished core ship fitting
:3

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>in a tiny corp made of close friends
>do WH stuff
>know we dont have the numbers to do any of the cool stuff i want to do in W-space
>dont think my ceo friend is competent enough to grow the corp
>dont want to leave my buddies behind

shitsux

>>165347789
I know that feel, friend

>>165347789
1. start your own corp
2. ally up with your current one
3. recruit on your own accord
4. ?????
5. PROFIT

>>165347789
so ask your ceo if you can recruit people or something. or blob up with some other wh corp

does anybody have an api of a maxxed out gallente alpha clone? I want to fiddle with some fits, but I'd like to be able to get the exact numbers.

>>165348625
use pyfa

>>165348513
>>165348573
Never said I was competent enough to run my own corp, either. I'm not. Too much of a sperg to recruit people. Our killboard is pretty shit, so I doubt anyone would want to ally with us, either.

>pyfa

>eft

>>165347789
so leave

>>165348625
Osmium
Battleclinic

>>165349357
Fuck off shill

>>165348768
What are you complaining about then.
That you need a better ceo?

>>165349576
I have dreams of something bigger, but don't want to leave my long time friends behind, don't think it's that hard to understand.

>pyfa
>eft
>osmiun

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So I just came here from the Mercenary Coalition thread on reddit... I didn't know that people on 4chan actually played eve? Dreddit is the major reddit corp, but does 4chan have an equivalent? I bet we'd be unstoppable if we worked together ;)

>>165349723
Well, turns out the only way to reconcile both is through extra effort on your personal part.
Either aspire for greatness and take the extra load of work on your shoulders for the sake of friends and dreams, or stay in your comfort zone but resign either your ambitions or your contacts.
Can't have everything.

Just make sure you're ready for such a commitment. There's nothing worse than an endeavour costing you a lot and then also crumbling on its own as well.

>>165350049
weak bait

>>165350049
join Broski

>>165350049
> t. sergaljerk recruiter

>>165350317
Didn't broski die after evicting brave from querious?

>>165350171
Yup, you're exactly right.

>>165350049
no point in trying to make a group considering so many different people in game will steam roll us the moment we leave hi-sec

>>165347789
sad thing is you guys will probably run into some eviction group who will happily forcefully unanchor all your structures, and the loss will probably kill your corp. You are sitting on a ticking timebomb.

>pvp
>wormhole space

choose one

@Anonymous No. 165350220

Why do you think my post is bait? Because I said I'm from reddit? We have a lot more in common than you might think ;)

>>165332059

> Vishkar Corp

Fucking Symmetra

>>165348790
>>165349024
>>165349357
>>165349728
>>165348743
none of these are available on android.

>>165351438
>android

>>165350936
That's already happened, we managed to get a fleet of 20 allies together by some miracle, but it wasn't enough to break their logi. Still had fun, content's content, I guess. No one has given up, though.

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How do I find a comfy nullsec corp for my PVE alt? I just want to rat in a carrier and pay tax but every corp I've tried so far wanted a full API key and then rejeced my app when they found out I had other accounts.

>>165350936
In my experience, the small to medium sized wh corps are jus looking for content. If you bring a fight, even if you lose, they'll fuck off. If you don't, they'll check your timers. Wormhole evicting is unironically a good source of income.

>>165351508
renting

>>165351479
Well shit, I guess your group is doomed to drift forever through space, not entirely alive, not entirely dead, and I'm not even sure if that's a bad thing.

>>165351438
And what do you use to play eve??

>>165351953
android

>>165351147
Shit you caught me.
I'm not even a Symmetra main.
Mercy/D.va
So I guess you could say I am used to getting fucked by the game I love. ;P

>>165351757
I mean, they're all my good buddies, we kind of just blast through the game together and learn along the way. It's not really much of a corp, more like a friends list. We just don't have the numbers to carry out effective ops.

>>165352158
small scale shit with your bros is the best part of the game. if you want to try out larger things, try to do it without fucking up what you have

>>165352383
The main issue is two of my bros are missing, I tried to get them into the game, they played for a little while but I guess it just wasn't for them. And a third one who actually has a really good character doesn't play anymore. My squad is fractured.

>>165352158
Far be it from me to endorse brave, but brave's wormhole corp is pretty alright. From what I could gleam from running into them a few times, a bunch of them got sick of being content for other people and fucked off to jspace to make their own.

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>>165339931
>setting up an Astra
>holes aren't crit

Confirmed literal retards.

oneiros

>Amarr

>>165342880
>post kb
>it's literally all just shameful losses
https://zkillboard.com/character/90632060/

>>165351508
>join null corp/alliance
>go out into null
>get carrier
>everything is going good
>1 year later
>war we're declared
>everything falls apart, have to evac
this has happened literally 5 times now

>log in all my accounts to launcher
>pin them
>close launcher
>open it later
>asks me to log in again
what the shit

So coming back after a sabbatical.
I guess you could call me a half-assed vet that has played on and off since 2007-8.

I've noticed you've put it now as too late to play Eve.
Why?
What has finally convinced the community that the game is going to die they way its going that Plex, skill boosters and fuck expensive skins didn't?
Has F2P ruined it? Is the game leaking players?

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>Server wide Tidi desync and lag

>>165357134
I'm noticing a lot more lag desu
not enough to make me outrought quit though, I love this game

>>165357134
Alpha clones tend to be more of a burden. Can't fly shit, don't know shit, poor as fuck. I spend most of my time now spoonfeeding these retards and then more than half of them quit. It's just not worth it.

>>165357134
>I've noticed you've put it now as too late to play Eve. Why?
Faggots in charge of starting new threads a.k.a. kevin gone

That and cancerous sarcasm.

>>165357406
if more than 5% stay then you're still doing better than most mmos

>>165357406
this
>14/21 day trial
>ok let's figure out if I like this game
>oh cool look at all this stuff I can do
>alpha clone
>ok let's figure out if I like this game
>what the fuck I can't do anything cool

>>165357134
Some autist keeps on changing it to upset other autists.

>>165357719
Did it work yet? I've never seen anyone upset.

>80% tidi in one-man system
>never-ceasing hardcore lags anywhere in EVE

Who do we blame this on?
a) Intense war in null
b) Alpha and overwhelming player numbers
c) CCP and their retarded auto-scaling node system (new servers when)
d) All of the above

>>165357575
Sure but vets hardly have any interaction with new players in other mmos. The traditional level system keeps the player base segregated.

>>165358164
bullshit, no mmo takes that long to level up to max

>>165357648
I find a lot of people start an alpha clone with the goak being to eventually plex and start doing stuff. In reality they end up fucking up and operating at a loss or saving for plex and then using the omega state to get another plex instead of doing more interesting shit. They fall into the cycle of plexing to get better at getting plex.

Truly, sp is the bane of eve

>>165358346
If I'm an end game WoW or ffxiv faggot, why the fuck would I waste any of my time on low level players if I don't get anything from it? In eve, if I actively recruit, I get a bigger blob and that has a real effect.

>>165358943
also that sweet alpha tax money

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>>165357830

>>165358438
For the most part, it's just a vicious cycle, as someone struggling to find something cool to do, FW seems to be pretty much the only option and haven't had a lot of time to go on roams.

>>165360478
get a gnosis and blitz L3s.

>>165360585
The initial cost of a gnosis alone is pretty much all of the funds an alpha gets from the career agents and the SOE epic arc. If there's a single fuck up and they lose that ship, they're pretty much completely broke.

>>165360815
so don't fuck up.

>>165360478
If you're an omega, join a nullbaby corp if that's your thing, join a wh corp if you like more solo/small gang stuff. I like fw as a side thing with an alt but I'd never do it exclusively. If you're an alpha, stop being poor and pay the sub.

>wh
>solo

>>165361469
>Wh
>solo
>5 alts
>(you)

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>find a worm in a wormhole
>nobody believes me

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>>165361837
>entering a worm's hole
>putting your worm in a hole

>toons

>>165361469
Killing pi haulers and explorers too much for you, anon?

>get offered a shit 1.5 hour grind mission
>too much reward to decline
>too long of a commitment to do it
>lose all will to play the game instead
Fug

>>165366418
Every time.
Best plan is to have at least two agents you can go to just in case one offers you a terrible mission. Can make use of the free decline every 4hrs or just go to your other agent if you get two bad missions like that inside the time.

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Is there a better feeling than this?

>>165367215
I have more agents. But this mission is taunting me, delayed it 4 days already.
Will have to do it eventually, and mere though sucks all the will to play away.

Really need to get in a raetelsnek asap.

>>165367421
Yes. The feeling you get when you open your cargo hold after doing them all.

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>>165367421
I recognize that wormhole! I'm coming for your booty

>>165350049
>read on reddit... I didn't know that people on 4chan actually played eve? Dreddit is the major reddit corp, but does 4chan have an equivalent? I bet we'd be unstoppable if we worked together

>Unironically allying with the Reddit Flagship alliance.

I would rather be the "space homeless" in a WH then be in a cucked alliance like TEST.

>>165368176
Jokes on you I took that screencap three hours ago.

I only got half of it before a bigger fish showed up and scared me off because somebody was making me ERP with them.

>TEST
>cucked
TEST is memepilled /r/The_Donald/ and /r/KotakuInAction/ posters

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>tfw waiting 8 days for Drones V

>waiting

why

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Too poor for injectors

>>165369769
That's not how you play eve online if you don't want to kill yourself.

You do your thing and let the skills train. They will arrive eventually. If you wait for something to train, you'll just end up playing skillque online and log into your 30mil sp account with no idea as to what you are supposed to be doing, along with the annoying realization that you trained a bunch of useless garbage.

>tfw expedition frigates v

I huff gas like a champ though.

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is this really how it works?

>>165372032
Yes
You will still sometimes get retarded spawns with multiple resto nodes one after the other, but following this guide will let you clear the vast majority of containers.

>>165372032
seems to match my experiences

>>165370597

It's a good feel.

>Get bored of corp after 3-4 months
>Loot everything I can before bugging out
>repeat

why am I like this

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BEES

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>who the fuck posts on 4chan about eve shit

>>165375192
People honestly think 4chan consists solely of /b/ and /pol/

>>165375192
most people think 4chan is just /b/ so nothing new here
It's not like they are missing out on much
Besides /ss13g/ and /d/

>>165375872
>/d/
>good
that hasn't been true since /trash/ and /aco/ became a thing.

>>165376294
yeah it's not as good as it once was, but that can be said about this whole website.

>jumping gates in some backwater Gal constellation
>traffic control

What

>>165375192
who the posts would voluntarily post on a shitty upvote downvote system board that won't let you attach dogs to your posts

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>>165376852
>who the posts would voluntarily post

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>>165376792
>Traffic control when jumping a wormhole

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>>165376964
can you at least try to hide your identity reddit.

Nothing like entosis a whole constellation for a new home for your corp. Best feel ever

as a player who hasn't played even in a few years and probably put in barely more than 200 hours into it, how painful would it be to play EVE in f2p mode?

>>165377428
its pretty awful, max on most skills is iv and you can't use any t2 modules
just bare ass t1/navy frigs, dessies and cruisers

the f2p is basically just supposed to be an extension of the old trial, not actually getting to play the game for free

>>165377428
No t2, nothing higher than cruiser, no cloaking, no V skills

its pretty shit

>>165377428
It's shit. You can still do some fun activities but you'll be at a numerical disadvantage in every aspect.
If you tasted real EVE before you will feel super limited. Only new players can really appreciate it being free.
For old players it's just hours for plex + a way to grind up to a plex doing inefficient crap should the need arise combined into one.

>>165372032
Yes, but blue is empty more often than not, and it's rarely that open on anything worth hacking.

Follow that guide mostly but you still need to get a general 'feel' for where the core tends to be. That guide also seems to imply that you shouldn't be chasing numbers through the red which is dumb but whatever.

>turn shader settings from High to Low
>all ships look like flat shit
>gallente ships look better
Can't make this shit up.

Matte white where reflective black normally is seems to be the magic trick.

>>165378074
>no t2
they do get T2 damage and resist and tank mods

>log in
>join Incursion waitlist
>wait for an hour or so
>get bored and leave to play something else
>sub comes due in less than a week and I can't afford a PLEX

Incursions are such nice ISK/hr BUT HOLY FUCK THE WAIT TIMES AGH

Almost makes me want to move back to null so I can just AFKtar my way to a PLEX. Almost.

>>165379358
>not having two monitors

>>165379585
PC is too potato to run EvE and R6:Siege at the same time

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>>165379320
>alphas can't fit adaptive unvuln II

>>165379358
why don't you join a different incursion fleet?

>>165379694
Turn down your EVE settings to absolute minimum.

>>165379706
but they can fit T2 EANM's and T2 flavor resist mods

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>wasting time in incursion queues when L4 burners and L5 missions exist

>>165380549
L5's require a lot of investment, L4's don't make nearly as much money as Incursions

L5 missions require at least 3 carriers which is a 6b investment all said and done.

>>165380746
>L4s don't make near as much as incursions
if you're blitzing them and can do the anomic missions then you're making almost double the isk/hr. triple if you count waitlist time in your isk/hr calculations.

>>165381017
>if you're blitzing them and can do the anomic missions then you're making almost double the isk/hr.
so you're making over 400m an hour? thats l5 mission territory

>Triple
so now you're making shit up

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>>165381140
>so you're making over 400m an hour? thats l5 mission territory

>incursions
>200m/hr

>>165381321
Yea incursions do get up to 250m isk/h easily

Sites can be run in about 10 minutes. You lost more time warping between sites but yoiu still easily cash on 250m isk/h before LP

>>165381529
are you talking about HQs or VGs?

>>165381758
HQ's obviously. TVP has benchmarked times on their website

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>>165381529
>Yea incursions do get up to 250m isk/h easily
>Sites can be run in about 10 minutes.
>yoiu still easily cash on 250m isk/h before LP

>>165381940
my bad on the math

if you can do just 5 sites in an hour which is a 10 minute site plus travel time (its actually faster) plus the LP you easily gross 250m/h

>>165381831
interesting, my experiences with WTM only net me about 100-120m/hr before calculating waitlist time.

>>165382169
because WTM is slow, accepts newbies with minimal tier fits. TVP will skip over you if they want faster times and your fit is garbage.

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>>165382153
Your figure is literally two times too large, retard. Even the turboautismal TVP fleets will peak shy of 150m/hr

>>165382308
what's the longest waitime for their basic nightmare fit? WTM goes by first come first serve and lately their queues take 3-5 hours.

>>165382504
>TVP fleets shy of 150m an hour
thats before LP. Concord LP is worth at least 1000-1800 isk/lp

every site you get what 7500lp? lets meet in the middle at 1500 isk/lp assuming you're dumping to buy orders. Thats 1500*7500lp = 11.25m extra per site which comes to an extra 56m per hour.

>>165383349
>concord LP
>1000-1800

more like 1000-800isk/lp

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>incursionsfags bragging about isk/hour
>3-5 hour wait time

>>165383859
https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/lpstore/buy/10000002/1000125/withblueprints

the top 6 items right now you can drop to buy orders for 1000 isk/lp or greater.

If you do Sell prices you get even more

>10mn ab confessor fit
>ab takes up 50/75 of power grid

How do people do this?

>>165384274
compact ab. and it's very easy to increase your grid a lot, active armour tank uses up basically nothing, and svipul/confessor being >balanced, they only need 4 guns

>>165384274
They used to do this, its not common anymore

>>165383975
The best ISK/LP item (MC-806) has one buy order for 2x the price of the others, and extremely low trades volume. Then you have a bunch of low-volume capital mods, some more low-volume niche implants, and all of a sudden you're into sub-800ISK/LP territory.

>>165384634
Go to page 4

https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/lpstore/sell/10000002/1000125/withblueprints

Concord items sell for 2400isk/lp and I know theres tons of volume on them

>>165384413
No I just had a look, they nerfed the confessor power grid at some point, you cant actually put a 10mn ab on a confessor anymore if you want to fit anything else. It takes up 50% of the power grid on pyfa if you have all skills at 5.

>>165384912
You use fitting mods to make it work. Even then it doesn't work well because you need like a micro aux power core and an ancil rig

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>>165384912
Its not worth to do anymore

>>165384912
50% is not much. as I said, it uses basically no grid if you're making faggy active tanks

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>>165383975
>If you do Sell prices you get even more
But that's trade profit desu senpai. Minerals you mined aren't free.

When I buy the tags I need at max buy and sell at min sell that doesn't mean I make 300 mil Isk/hour with level 4 missions.

200m Isk/hour with burners is realistic at the top end even for SoE (blueprint corps are better) and without trade profits. There's no waitlist and you can just log on your alt to blitz some missions when you have 30 minutes.

>>165385168
That blows, losing all speed because of scrams now is gay.

>>165385305
Use dualprop

>>165385304
>But that's trade profit desu senpai. Minerals you mined aren't free.
The Isk/LP already takes into account the cost of the module's requirements you stupid shit

>>165385305
oversized prop is faggot cancer. anything that makes it harder is extremely good

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>>165385350
can't dual prop a confessor, 3 mids, 2 props and a point? fucking stupid

>>165385512
how is that stupid

>>165385620
because capacitor

>7000 CONCORD LP per site
>uses that to find ISK/LP
>forgets that theres a conversion rate

>>165385702
There is no conversion rate for concord LP in the concord store. Its fucking concord LP you stupid fuck

>>165385358
>The Forge Sell Prices
All that stuff is like 700 Isk/LP when you actually try to liquidate large amounts of LP. And if you spend time babysitting orders you might as well trade these items to get that free 1200 LP from the spread.
http://lpstock.ru/corp.php?corpid=1000125

>>165385930
>All that stuff is like 700 Isk/LP when you actually try to liquidate large amounts of LP.
Thats why you buy only as many as buy orders will fill you stupid fuck

if theres only like 10 orders for 10 25000mm that'll get you 1100 isk/lp or what ever you don't go out and buy 18 order's worth.

>lpstock.ru
I'll stick with fuzzworks that does all the math for me. I never get 700isk/lp I always get the full value that fuzzworks says I get.

and I don't blow all my LP on one item, theres tons of concord items to buy up for

Rate

[Rook, Rook]
Signal Distortion Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Warp Scrambler II
Dread Guristas Multispectral ECM
Dread Guristas Multispectral ECM
Ladar ECM II
Ladar ECM II
Ladar ECM II
Sentient Sensor Booster

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Medium Particle Dispersion Projector II
Medium Particle Dispersion Projector II
Hobgoblin II x5

ECCM Script x1
Targeting Range Script x1
Scourge Fury Light Missile x400
Nova Fury Light Missile x400
Inferno Fury Light Missile x400
Mjolnir Fury Light Missile x400

>>165386460
Are you hunting only minmatar stuff?

Wheres your tank?

>heavy assault missile launchers
>light missiles
fix this anon

>>165386537
I'll change ECM type as needed, and I forgot to change the type of missile. What should I use for tank?

>>165386691
it has amazing shield resists you could use a single XL-ASB with anti-em rigs then pop a blue-pill to increase the shield reps by 30%

>>165386691
I'd fit a plate and rapid lights instead.

>>165386460
0/0

Spoonfeed please, goys.

I'm in a Cararcal now, and the missions / DED sites I'm running are mostly Frigates with a few Cruisers.

If I fit RLMLs I can quickly deal with any Frigs that are around, but then Cruisers take eons and can cause a problem at 4/10 sites because my tank can't keep up.

If I fit Heavy Launchers, frigates laugh at me and I do less damage to Cruisers than before.

Do I just need to train my skills up more or what

>>165387341
play gallente

>>165387341
try HAM's and use target painters to try and hit those frigs

HAM's apply way better to frigs than HML's will

>>165387341
>frigates laugh at me

can't you just fit a web or something? npc frigates are pathetic

>HAM's apply way better to frigs than HML's will

we aren't doing this again you faggot

>>165387474
Its not that I can't kill them, its that they take about the same number of missiles (even with a painter) and the rate of fire is obviously half.

Wouldn't be an issue if they actually seemed to deal with larger ships way better but they're not right now.

>>165387437
and they'll dick Cruisers better?

>>165387618
You're fucking stupid if you think HAM's won't inherently do more damage proportionally than HAM's. 25% better explosion velocity is great for frigs

>>165387756
you're fucking stupid if you think 25% is "way better". it's nothing, they probably won't fit, and he'll go from like 50km range to 20km

>>165387756
>than HAM's
than HML's

He wants more DPS, better application than HML's HAM's are the choice for 4/10's

>>165387947
>they probably won't fit
they will fit they have better fitting than HML's

>>165387341
HMLs are ass, use HAMs. Caracal will get like 30km range with HAMs which is usually good enough.

How's this?

[Rook, Rook]
Signal Amplifier II
Damage Control II
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

Dread Guristas EM Ward Amplifier
Dread Guristas Multispectral ECM
Dread Guristas Multispectral ECM
Ladar ECM II
Ladar ECM II
Ladar ECM II
Sentient Sensor Booster

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Hobgoblin II x5

ECCM Script x1
Nova Heavy Assault Missile x1000
Targeting Range Script x1
Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile x1000
Scourge Heavy Assault Missile x1000
Inferno Heavy Assault Missile x1000

>>165388304
no they don't

>>165388330
that's with full skills. every level of the 2 missils skills and caldari cruiser you don't have is 10% range you're missing

>>165387341
>>165387386
>>165387437
>>165387474
>>165387618
>>165387647
>>165387756
>>165387947
>>165387989
>>165388304
>>165388330
GILA
I
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A

>>165387756
Without precision missiles they're practically the same, with precision's the hml do much more.

>>165388374
Fucking shield tank it, Rook has good shield resists. If you want to fly a full ECM thing use a Falcon. Also fit rapid lights.

Here's a basic shield buffer Rook, if you're doing some sort of elitePvP an XLASB might make you happier.

[Rook, rook]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Large Shield Extender II
50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II
Large Shield Extender II
Magnetometric ECM II
Magnetometric ECM II

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II


Acolyte II x5


Scourge Fury Light Missile x2000
Scourge Precision Light Missile x2000
Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile x2200
Nanite Repair Paste x100

so are amarr drones the new meta for faster targets?
used to be min if I recall

>>165388805
Thank you very much.

>>165388846
Go with the one they're weak to

>>165388846
Yeah, they rebalanced drones so it's Minmatar > Amarr > Caldari > Gallente in terms of speed and tracking, and Gallente > Caldari > Amarr > Minmatar in terms of damage. Sentries and fighters etc. are different of course.

Amarr drones are good because they're fast enough and deal EM damage. Gallente are for when you need to deal maxdps but they're slow as shit.

>>165388846
>the new meta

do you mean "good"

yes they are good. I think they're about fast enough most of the time and have a better damage type vs most fast tacklers because tackle people usually don't understand armour tanking

>>165389298
yea it was always gallent for max damage min if they 2 fast

>>165389535
yea, meta as in what people most commonly use because it's widely considered the best

Anyone know if CCP will refund a ship you lost due to disconnecting from the server because of a computer crash?

>>165390749
about as likely as Dell refunding your decade old alienware.

>>165390749
If it's a problem on your end they generally won't though sometimes they'll reimburse when they shouldn't have so give it a shot anyway.

drone hp is also a thing. the kinetic and em drones have the best tank. in some ships it really matters when people shoot your drones, and tankier drones you can keep alive better. kinetic ones especially since they're very shieldy so they regenerate better

>>165390749
According to policy no. They only reimburse server issues and bugs, except if they happen in big fights.

is it possible to run level 4s efficiently with a Celestis/Deimos duo?

>>165394417
ewar is useless vs npcs

>ccp

>>165394515
wow thats really dumb. Why is that? pretty stupid to have to suffer NPC ewar if you dont have ECCM but not be able to dish it out yourself.

>>165395108
>Why is that?

>ccp

even if it was useful though, it still would probably not be viable in your situation. even in pvp you don't bring a dedicated ewar ship to support 1 ship, that's silly

>>165395108
I think you used to be able to cheese sleeper sites by jamming them so they made them immune.

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>drone aggro micromanagement

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>>165396593

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>>165396765

>>165396765
tfw I pull my drones at 10-15% remaining structure.

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r8

oneiros

>>165399719
what of it?

>>165390872
>>165390996
>>165392575

Well that sucks. My brother just lost his Kronos in an L4.

a flight of small drones is enough for frigates and destroyers, keep your hams on cruisers + up dum dum.

>>165400097
petition it anyway. be polite and pretend to be retarded

>>165400208
If you're talking to me who mentioned having a Caracal earlier, 2 drones is not enough to deal with frigates and destroyers if I want to get a mission done this century

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>>165400097
>losing a kronos in a level 4
>beaking rule #1

>>165332059

Which of you losers took out "foozie made a bunch of useless changes". You know that is always true.

>>165388513
>they're practically the same
HAM's are 25% better in applying on fast things and 11% better at applying on small things

get fucked its a significant difference if there was no difference they'd have the same application.

HML's lost a massive amount of their application when the drake got nerfed and they havent been anywhere near the same since

>>165400410
4/10s are no joke m8, used to do those regularly in a loki, in your situation I think a rail moa would work better against frigates and cruisers.

>>165401257
>HAM's are 25% better in applying on fast things and 11% better at applying on small things

that's not how it works, and you still suck at apostrophes, shitter

>>165401532
Yes that is how it works, they have 25% better explosion velocity that means they do 25% more damage proportionally than HML's

HAM's will have less DR against them this is how it works you dumb shit

>>165401829
>25% better in applying on fast things and 11% better at applying on small things

kys now pls

>>165399914
oneitis

>>165401905
that is literally how it works.

Does Cruise Missiles having 50% better explosion velocity vs Torps not matter either? Or do Torps apply just fine even though they're shit

>>165402042
>oh this is a fast target not a small target, my explosion velocity says I do no damage

it's literally not

>>165401257
Use the dps graph in eft and you'll see that it's practically nothing.

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>>165402151
I didn't say that

>>165402290
>125 vs 85
yea "doesn't matter"

50% more DPS over the HML's

>>165402621
>conflating damage application with damage

>>165402738
>damage has nothing to do with whether they apply or not

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>>165402621
>velocity-100ms
If you're looking to kill double plate fit punisher's without prop mods or something this data may not be completely retarded.

>>165402809
that's correct. damage application what % of your damage doesn't apply

>>165402875
>doesn't show parameters of the ship, its sig, its speed or anything

>>165402875
thats 30% more DPS than the HML's are doing

>>165402975
sig-276
velocity-2838m/s
>>165403096
The hml fit is in red.

>>165402975
you'd only need to see that if you're bad. you should have a feel for what kind of stats it has from the ship type and fit

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>/eog/ discussing missile damage application o'clock
Just fucking stop

HAMs have flat out better application. Look at the numbers. They're better. There is no argument to be made here. HAMs apply better and do more DPS, but have worse volley and range. It's like arties vs. autocannons.

>>165403208
>The hml fit is in red.
That doesn't make any sense at all

The HML's do less damage and apply worse, they CANT do more damage than the HAM's

nice fake numbers faggot

>>165403340
nobody ever said they aren't better. there's a bad here who thinks 25% application is a really big deal when it's not, and he doesn't understand how missile application works and also uses apostrophes incorrectly

if you aren't hitting well enough with hmls you don't swap to hams and trash your entire fit, you just fit some application stuff

>>165403530
lmao

>>165402875
>HML
>on a caracal
>less than 47km range
nah this is bullshit, HML's reach out to 90km on a caracal at all V's

>>165403652
That's with precision missiles.

>>165403647
>trash your entire fit,
Why would you have to trash your entire fit? HAM's have less fitting requirements than HML's

>>165403718
>precisions
so you PURPOSELY compared apple and oranges ammo instead of using regular ammo?

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get in broski da bois r back niggas.

>>165403647
>nobody ever said they aren't better.
Obviously you did since you tried to debate on literally every front vehemently shilling for HML's when they're obviously shit for every single purpose and the only fleets that have ever really used them since HML drakes got nerfed into the ground are Cerbs at 110km only because they can actually kite and target that far

>>165401979
?

>>165403845
>less

they have different fitting requirements

and you'd have to trash your entire fit because you're going from a weapon system with 94km range to a weapon system with 30km range. you might need to move around more or have a bigger tank, to compensate for the shorter range. or you might want to fit range stuff

>>165403973
all i'm vehemently doing is telling a big retard that they don't know shit

>HML's when they're obviously shit for every single purpose and the only fleets that have ever really used them since HML drakes got nerfed into the ground are Cerbs at 110km only because they can actually kite and target that far

your opinions about which reddit doctrines are popular really have no relevance here at all. we are talking about the attributes on these weapons

>>165403340
>HAMs have flat out better application. Look at the numbers.
No they're not better, they're shit it doesn't fucking matter about damage application. You just form a fleet with enough of them and missile tracking doesn't fucking matter at all anymore

>>165403718
>precision missiles
have fun with your range being HAM tier and your damage being less than HAM tier

I bet you were using Rages in those HAM launchers too.

>>165404108
>lemme just engage this target that is way outside my targeting range lol because I simply NEEDED to target at 90km
>No don't use HAM's they don't count you're brawling if you use them at 25km thats stupid, no you couldn't possibly need to point something just kite from 90

>have a bigger tank
>with HML's
>move around more
oh so now HML's make you go faster? You're a fucking retard

I'll just say fuck HML's and just use Rapid Lights since those will actually apply full damage to a cruiser unlike HML's

>>165403845
>so you PURPOSELY compared apple and oranges ammo instead of using regular ammo?
I'd have used precision missiles in hams but they don't have them, also it's more like apples and crab apples i say.

>>165404286
>oh so now HML's make you go faster? You're a fucking retard

no, you're a fucking retard. when you swap to a shorter range weapon system, you fight at shorter range, which typically means you take more damage and need to move around more

and I don't even know what you're trying to say with your first two lines, you should probably kill yourself

>>165404108
>and you'd have to trash your entire fit because you're going from a weapon system with 94km range to a weapon system with 30km range. you might need to move around more or have a bigger tank, to compensate for the shorter range. or you might want to fit range stuff

if he's running missions HAMs should have more than enough range, especially if he puts in a range rig or module. The gun-based alternatives will still have worse effective range than HAMs, except maybe rails.

>>165404409
>I can't use precision things in HAM's so lemme not compare single variables lemme shake it up a notch and make the entire comparison fucking pointless because I'm fucking with every number under the sun

>>165404465
You literally said "you might need to move around more" that literally implies you're somehow more agile more mobile, faster what ever the fuck mental gymnastics your autistic ass wants to pull out

You're fucking retarded stop replying stop playing just kys and stop playing the game you fucking retard literally poisoning the gene pool with your stupid shit

mfw all-out/pupper are all dead.

should have listened to johnny.

>don't use HAM's because you simply NEED to use HMLs at 90km
>don't worry about tackle just tell someone else to do it
>Your HML's do 64 damage to the target cruiser

lol enjoy that shit application and shit DPS sub 300dps on a cruiser is literally fucking pitiful

>>165404763
no it fucking doesn't you fucking spastic holy shit it means you potentially have to move around to get into range rather than just being able to hit anything on grid

please die right now you fucking aspie and also learn to read

>>165404910
>you have the PUTENSHUL ta moooove around more

who fucking cares you dumb autistic faggot you can't even target beyond 60km HML's do shit damage, apply like shit and they're fucking garbage stop shilling for them its not 2011 anymore

Be nice to each other ok?

>>165404763
If you choose not to use precision missiles when using hmls against frigates because reasons then hams have slightly better application, i hope this admission has settled the matter.

>>165404881
>no you're not allowed to use HAMS
>what if the target is at 90km? you can't do any dps to him
>oh shit neither can I I can't target beyond 65km
>lol who cares, I do like 250dps on paper thats more than enough
>4 damage applies to AB cruiser
>lol it doesn't matter HAM's are shit application doesn't matter

>>165405092
No one said that you stupid fuck

No one uses precision missiles

87 dps isn't going to kill fuck all you still apply like ass, HML's are shit this isn't 2009 or what ever fantasy you live in

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>>165405154
>HML precisions are so great guys don't use HAM's see I do a whopping 80dps this is great I can git this mwd merlin that's never gonna exist
>oh fuck he warped off because I was at 60km doing 80dps, lol what ever at least I'm not using HAM's
>no way that HAM ship could have a web on it to slow down that frig, doesn't count because I say so my cognitive dissonance thicker than a bowl of oatmeal

>>165405524
He's trying to do 4/10s not PvP, I personally think he'll have more luck in 5/10 than them because of abundance of larger targets.